Documentary with a New Paradigm- What has been the Role of the Jews in the NWO? You'll be Surprise !

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Uroko

うろこ

http://urokomovie.com/

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Now MAYBE [and I said maybe with reservations because of the Phoenician connections/implications which I see Very Strong and Clear in the Proxy Empires through the Ages with their LAW OF THE SEAS / Uniform Commercial Code / Company Law / Corporate law yada yada and the Phoenician origins of this Same Admiralty Law]. OR The divertion/misdirection/deception Begins (or Misinterpretation) - Because we know of the the Talmud, and the Cryptos, The Phoenicia Bloodlines, the consequences of the implementation of "Josephus problem" as a mathematical solution/ safe heaven for the Real Ruling Elites, just to name some of it - and in front of all Millenia and Millenia of years of Mass Deception (Also known as "Official History"). Anyway, all information must be scrutinized closely, this in good Parmenidean spirit [principle] but without the queer part ; )


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This are the first 10 parts of UROKO, I'll wait to get my humble verdict until I'd seen it all, I'm waiting for the rest, I leave you now with what seens to be their core theory in the link here below, bye bye for now.

http://urokomovie.com/viking_origins.shtml

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[mgt23]

this is very interesting.....

[Christopher Marlowe]

This is very interesting, but I'll wait to give my verdict until I have seen the rest.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

I found this of interest and related. Note I don't subscribe to the "Holy Bloodline" mythology that much. I see it more as inter-generational "secret agreements and agendas". A lot of the references in Dan Brown's, The Da Vinci Code, were found to be total fictions.:

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Rothschilds and the Grail Bloodline
- by David Livingstone ©, Aug. 22nd, 2005

Jacob Rothschild Jacob Rothschild, the current head of the Rothschild dynasty, has intermarried with the Sinclair family, forging an important alliance between the head family of the Illuminati, and the supposed descendants of the Grail family.

As has been popularized recently by Dan Brown in the Da Vinci Code, or before him by the Holy Blood, Holy Grail, the Stuarts of Scotland are supposedly descended from King Arthur and Jesus Christ. These families are of course not descended from Jesus. The idea is preposterous. But they are related to the Holy Grail, and they are not Christians, but Kabbalists.

In reality, they, like all the aristocratic bloodlines that form the core of the Illuminati, are descended from Guillaume de Gellone of the eighth century AD. Guillaume's father was Rabbi Makhir, among the Exilarchs who ruled the Jews in Baghdad, who was sent West after a dispute over the successorship. In France, he took the name Theodoric, married Alda, the aunt of Charlemagne, and was appointed "King of the Jews" in the region of the Languedoc, with his capital the city of Narbonne.

Narbonne then became the heartland of the Medieval Kabbalah. The Kabbalists of Narbonne seem to have been responsible for instigating the Crusades, in order to retrieve sacred texts that had been buried there, but which had been unaccessible because of first the rule of the Romans, and then the Muslims. Once Jerusalem was conquered, a Kabbalistic order of knights known as the Templars conducted excavations, and discovered the text of the Sepher ha Bahir, which revived the lost mystical tradition, and set off the cultural revolution of the Medieval Kabbalah.

Another aspect of the penetration of these Kabbalistic ideas was the heresy of the Cathars. The Cathar foothold was in the region of Tolouse, the bastion of the descendants of Guillaume, also known as the family of the Guilhemids, several of whom were ardent defenders of the heresy. However, the Cathars have been idealized by numerous Illuminati propagandists as having been innocent victims of Church persecutions, but the Cathars rejected the God of the Bible, in favour of the worship of Lucifer and practiced witchcraft. It was the Cathars who influenced the heretical aspects of the Templars, for which the order was disbanded in 1307.

Part of this Kabbalistic revolution was the legends of the Holy Grail, which included Cathar and Templar themes, and formulated in the region of Aquitaine, another stronghold of the Guilhemids. The Holy Grail, or San Greal, should have been translated as Sang Real, or Royal Blood, because it referred to the sacred bloodline that supposedly issued from Guillaume de Gellone, and ultimately King David, but which in reality, was understood to represent the descendants of the Fallen Angels, and their leader, Lucifer.

The Sinclairs were descendants of Guillaume de Gellone, through his great-great-granddaughter, Poppa of Bavaria, who married the Viking leader, Rollo Ragnvaldsson. Among Rollo's descendants was William the Conqueror of Normandy. The Sinclairs, or St. Clair, were given various other castles around France. However, they all went to England with the Conqueror. One Sinclair, though, named William, did not like the Conqueror, so with some other discontented barons, he went to Scotland and placed himself in the service of King Malcolm III of Scotland.

Malcolm III King of Scotland was the father of David I "the Saint" King of Scotland. In 1128, soon after the Council of Troyes, Hugh de Payens, the Templars' first Grand Master, met with King David I of Scotland. King David later surrounded himself with Templars, and appointed them as "the Guardians of his morals by day and night".

David married the grand-daughter of Lambert II, the brother of Godefroi de Bouillon, leader of the first crusade, and the sister of sister of William the Conqueror. Godefroi's younger brother, Eustace III, married David's sister, Mary Scots. Their daughter married Stephen I King of England, the son Adela de Normandie, the daughter of William the Conqueror. Adela's brother, Henry I King of England, married David's sister, Editha of Scotland. Their daughter, Mathilda Empress of England, married Geoffrey V, Comte d'Anjou, whose son Henry II married Eleanor of Aquitaine.

King David granted Hugues and his knights the lands of Balantrodoch, by the Firth of Forth, but now renamed Temple, near the site of Rosslyn. And, legend has it that, when the Templars came under trial, their leader de Molay arranged for the Templar to return to Scotland, where they assisted Robert the Bruce at the Battle of Bannockburn.

Robert the Bruce claimed the Scottish throne as a great-great-great-great grandson of David. Walter Stewart, the sixth High Steward of Scotland, also played an important part in the Battle of Bannockburn. Walter Stewart then married Majory, daughter of Robert the Bruce, and their son Robert II of Scotland was heir to the House of Bruce; he eventually inherited the Scottish throne after his uncle David II of Scotland died.

In Scotland, the Templars served Robert the Bruce as members of the Scots Guard, of which two prominent families were those of the Stuarts and the Sinclairs. Henry Sinclair was a supporter of Robert the Bruce, and one of his descendants, William Sinclair, designed Rosslyn Chapel, a church in the village of Roslin, replete with occult symbolism, and believed to be one of the sites where the Grail might be buried. Finally, the Sinclairs became the Hereditary Grand Masters of the Masons of Scotland.

After Queen Elizabeth died without an heir, she was succeeded by the son of Mary Queen of Scots, James Stewart I of England, also known as King James. It is for this reason that the Freemasons of the eighteenth century conspired to back the Stuart cause, after their last monarch, James II Stuart, King of England, was deposed, and replaced by William of Orange. The Stuart cause then became the essence of Scottish Rite Freemasonry, which regarded the Stuarts as the inheritors of the Templars, who had rescued the secret tradition of the East, otherwise known as the Kabbalah.

Since the late eighteenth century, however, the Illuminati have come under the leadership of the Rothschild family. The founder of the dynasty, Mayer Amschel Rothschild, ordered his sons to marry only their first cousins, continuing the careful intermarrying practiced by their predecessors.

However, the first exception was Hannah, the daughter of Amschel Mayer's son, the notorious Nathan Mayer Rothschild, who married the Rt. Hon. Henry Fitzroy, a direct descendant of Charles II Stuart King of England, the father of James II.

More recently, however, is the great-great-great grandson of Nathan Mayer, Nathaniel Charles Jacob Rothschild, 4th Baron Rothschild, who married Mary Serena Dunn. The mother of Mary Serena was Lady Mary Sybil St. Clair-Erskine, who was the daughter of James Francis Harry St. Clair-Erskine, 5th Earl of Rosslyn.

Rothschild, Buffet, Arnold, Supreme Court in IsraelJacob Rothschild is the current head of the UK Rothschild family, having inherited the fourth baronetcy from his father, Victor, an eminent zoologist, and sometime MI5 agent and friend of KGB agents Anthony Blunt and Guy Burgess. Jacob resigned from the family's bank NM Rothschilds in 1980, run by his cousin Evelyn, and started RIT Capital Partners.

Jacob Rothschild resigned from the family's bank NM Rothschilds in 1980, run by his cousin Evelyn, and started RIT Capital Partners. He is chairman of Yad Hanadiv, the Rothschild foundation, which built and gave the Knesset government buildings and the Supreme Court to Israel, and chairs the Jewish Policy Research, dedicated to promoting issues affecting Jews worldwide.

Jacob Rothschild is chairman of Yad Hanadiv, the Rothschild foundation, which chairs the Jewish Policy Research, dedicated to promoting issues affecting Jews worldwide. Yad Hanadiv was also responsible for building and granting the Knesset government buildings, and the Supreme Court of Israel, which prominently features Masonic symbolism and the pyramid and all-seeing eye of the Illuminati.

Jacob Rothschild was a close personal friend of the Princess Diana, and maintains strong personal and business links with Henry Kissinger (Rumsfeld and Cheney are Kissinger political Proteges). He knows Rupert Murdoch well, having been friends since the Australian newspaper proprietor first came to the UK in the 1960s. His country estate has been a regular venue for visiting heads of state including Presidents Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton. Margaret Thatcher received French President François Mitterrand there at a summit in 1990. He hosted the European Economic Round Table conference in 2002, attended by such figures as James Wolfensohn, president of the World Bank, Nicky Oppenheimer, Warren Buffet and Arnold Schwarzenegger.
About the Author

David Livingstone is an historian who lives in Montreal, Canada. He is the author of The Dying God: The Hidden History of Western Civilization.

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Ro ... _Grail.htm

[uroko]

How cool! - How did you find my movie?  

I am Eric, I made that.  Yes, it's a bit amateurish, my resources and video skills are wanting, but I appreciate that /tab was pleased enough to post it here.   Thank you.

Unfortunately, the topic that really interests me, the ancient roots of the ruling elite, the true nature of Zionism etc., is too deep to really address in the video I'm trying to finish.    Now that I have established the skull and bones connections, I can continue with the Bush/Harriman alliance.   Their funding of Adolf Hitler went through Sullivan and Cromwell, whose senior partners were Allen and John Foster Dulles, the former of which was the 3rd architect of the Defense Act of 1947, bringing me back to the topic of the CIA.  The CIA's real purpose was as the attack-dog of the American International Corporation / Guarantee Trust alliance, which is evident in the coups and interventions (on behalf of the multi-nationals controlled by those two companies) that the agency engaged in between WWII and the 1st Gulf War.  I will continue from there, briefly, to 9/11 and the present, hopefully answering the remainder of the big questions I posed.  

Hopefully I can do a second "Uroko" (chapter II?) at some point and just deal with the roots of the elite and the deeper issues.   In the mean time, I keep adding posts on my website.  I recently finished one on Melissena which I am quite proud of, and others are in the works.   http://urokomovie.com/melissena.shtml

Again, thanks for your interest, when people pick up on what I'm doing it helps me to keep going.  

I haven't looked around the site much yet, but I will.   Cheers.

[Wimpy]

Eric/Uroko, well done and I look forward to more of your work!

[s1nt3k]

For those who want to download this documentary I uploaded it on concen, demonoid, & thepiratebay. Great documentary and thanks for sharing.

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How cool! - How did you find my movie?

I found it by tapping your phone  

I am Eric, I made that.  Yes, it's a bit amateurish, my resources and video skills are wanting, but I appreciate that /tab was pleased enough to post it here.   Thank you.

You are very welcome! It was really my pleasure! Thank you for doing this research, which country are you from? Well, I have this information (really coming from Benjamin Harrison Freedman [1890 – May 1984]) about the mytical figure of Rorik of Dorestad, he was a Viking, the first one taking the Khasars Empire by the horn and having victory after victory so they retread from Lithuanian, Polen, Russia, the Ukraine, and so many more other slaves territories under the Jewish Khazarian talmudic rule, so the question is what role had Rorik played on all this part of European History ?

Rorik of Dorestad






http://www.bertsgeschiedenissite.nl/mid ... rmangr.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rurik

The Varangians or Varyags (sometimes referred to as Variagians' Vikings)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangian

Joseph ben Aaron was king of the Khazars during the 950s and 960s.
Joseph actively sought contact with Jews elsewhere in the diaspora. He corresponded with Hasdai ibn Shaprut, a rabbi in Cordoba, and invited him to settle in Khazaria. He is also mentioned in the Schechter Letter.
Joseph was involved in wars against the Kievan Rus and the Pechenegs, as well as sporadic fighting with the Byzantines in the Crimea. He reported that he was allied with the Muslim states around the Caspian Sea against Varangian marauders from Rus' and Scandinavia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_(Khazar)

Likewise, the Khazar rulers viewed themselves as the protectors of international Jewry, and corresponded with foreign Jewish leaders (the letters exchanged between the Khazar ruler Joseph and the Spanish rabbi Hasdai ibn Shaprut have been preserved).

Trade

The Khazars occupied a prime trade nexus. Goods from western Europe travelled east to Central Asia and China and vice versa, and the Muslim world could only interact with northern Europe via Khazar intermediaries. The Radhanites, a guild of medieval Jewish merchants, had a trade route that ran through Khazaria, and may have been instrumental in the Khazars' conversion to Judaism.

This Radhanites were a very important link to their global Empire already in place

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radhanite

No Khazar paid taxes to the central government. Revenue came from a 10% levy on goods transiting through the region, and from tribute paid by subject nations. The Khazars exported honey, furs, wool, millet and other cereals, fish, and slaves. D.M. Dunlop and Artamanov asserted that the Khazars produced no material goods themselves, living solely on trade. This theory has been refuted by discoveries over the last half-century, which include pottery and glass factories.

Tributary and subject nations

Many nations were tributaries of the Khazars. A client king subject to Khazar overlordship was called an "Elteber". At various times, Khazar vassals included:
Pontic steppes, Crimea and Turkestan; The Pechenegs ; the Oghuz; the Crimean Goths; the Crimean Huns (Onogurs?); the early Magyars; Caucasus; Georgia; Abkhazia; various Armenian principalities; Arran; the North Caucasian Huns; Lazica; the Caucasian Avars; the Kassogs; and the Lezgins. Upper Don and Dnieper
Various East Slavic tribes such as the Derevlians and the Vyatichs; various early Rus' polities Volga; Volga Bulgaria; the Burtas; various Finno-Ugrian forest tribes such as the Mordvins and Ob-Ugrians; the Bashkir; the Barsils

Decline and fall

The ninth century is sometimes known as the Pax Khazarica, a period of Khazar hegemony over the Pontic steppe that allowed trade to flourish and facilitated trans-Eurasian contacts. However, in the early 10th century the empire began to decline due to the attacks of both Vikings from Kievan Rus and various Turkic tribes. It enjoyed a brief revival under the strong rulers Aaron II and Joseph, who subdued rebellious client states such as the Alans and led victorious wars against Rus invaders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars

Schechter Letter
Implications of the text

Among the beliefs of Zuckerman and others who have analyzed these sources are that the Khazars did not lose Kiev until the early 900s (rather than 882, the traditional date), that Igor was not Rurik's son but rather a more distant descendant, and that Oleg did not immediately follow Rurik, but rather that there is a lost generation between the legendary Varangian lord and his documented successors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schechter_Letter

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Unfortunately, the topic that really interests me, the ancient roots of the ruling elite, the true nature of Zionism etc., is too deep to really address in the video I'm trying to finish.

About the ancients roots and so on you can always go into later in another documentary, the events of the past century are the right thing to go into, take a look to the books of Eustance Mullins, he already did the research about much of this stuff.  

Now that I have established the skull and bones connections,

Yes, take also a look to the East India Company, House of Sassoon's involvements, Of course the Opium Wars, Their colonies in Asia : Goa, Honk-Kong, Macao etc. and the distribution in modern time of the drogs to America under the Vietnam war, the Clintons involvement in the cocaine coming from the sephardies families in South-America,

I can continue with the Bush/Harriman alliance.   Their funding of Adolf Hitler went through Sullivan and Cromwell, whose senior partners were Allen and John Foster Dulles, the former of which was the 3rd architect of the Defense Act of 1947, bringing me back to the topic of the CIA.  The CIA's real purpose was as the attack-dog of the American International Corporation / Guarantee Trust alliance, which is evident in the coups and interventions (on behalf of the multi-nationals controlled by those two companies) that the agency engaged in between WWII and the 1st Gulf War.  I will continue from there, briefly, to 9/11 and the present, hopefully answering the remainder of the big questions I posed.  

Hopefully I can do a second "Uroko" (chapter II?) at some point and just deal with the roots of the elite and the deeper issues.   In the mean time, I keep adding posts on my website.  I recently finished one on Melissena which I am quite proud of, and others are in the works.   http://urokomovie.com/melissena.shtml

Again, thanks for your interest, when people pick up on what I'm doing it helps me to keep going.  

I haven't looked around the site much yet, but I will.   Cheers.

Eric, here is some research about what you are treating right now in upcoming Uroko - Part II
Take for example the Language been spoken in the north territories of europe in old times, there you can see the influence of the Phoenician Empire reaching all the way to North Europe:

http://www.britam.org/language.html

In 1282 with the fall of Llywelyn the Last, the last native Prince of Wales of direct descent, Wales became subject to Edward I of England. He decreed the expulsion of Jews from England in 1290; whether this affected Wales, where the writ of the English king was for a long time limited to the implanted boroughs and some of the Marcher territories, is not known. The Welsh chronicle Brut y Tywysogion refers to the event but only in the context of Jews in neighbouring England.

The Canaan elites had been in noth europe already for many centuries before AD !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Wales

http://www.britam.org/Questions/QuesPhoenicians.html

Eric, you don't gonna believe this , but of course you can research it by yourself, the Spanish language "Castellano" is not other thing but the ladino Hebrew [Latin Hebrew] spoken by the merchant of the ancient times, well it's a lot of thing going on under the ground related to the european languages !


Here is a part showing House of Rothschild been connected to Warburg -> Schiff -> Kuhn and Loeb -> Harriman & Co

Kuhn, Loeb & Co.

Kuhn, Loeb & Co Type Partnership
Industry Investment services
Founded 1867–1977
Headquarters New York City
Key people John M. Schiff
Chairman
Harvey M. Krueger
President and CEO
Products Financial Services
Investment Banking
Investment Management
Employees 550 (1977)
Website http://www.kuhnloeb.com

Kuhn, Loeb & Co. was a bulge bracket, investment bank founded in 1867 by Abraham Kuhn and Solomon Loeb. Under the leadership of Jacob H. Schiff, it grew to be one of the most influential investment banks in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, financing America's expanding railways and growth companies, including Western Union and Westinghouse, and thereby becoming the principal rival of J.P. Morgan & Co. In the years following Schiff's death in 1920, the firm was led by Otto Kahn and Felix Warburg, men who had already solidified their roles as Schiff's able successors. However, the firm's fortunes began to fade following World War II, when it failed to keep pace with a rapidly changing investment banking industry, where Kuhn, Loeb's old-world, genteel ways, did not seem to fit; the days of the gentleman-banker had passed. The firm lost its independence in 1977 when it merged with Lehman Brothers, to create Lehman Brothers, Kuhn, Loeb Inc. The combined firm was itself acquired in 1984 by American Express, forming Shearson Lehman/American Express and with that, the Kuhn, Loeb name was lost forever. Kuhn Loeb is considered to be one of the last Gentlemen Investment houses.

History

Kuhn, Loeb & Co. was an investment bank located in New York City. It was founded in 1867, by Abraham Kuhn and Solomon Loeb. Kuhn and Loeb had created a successful merchandising business in Cincinnati, Ohio, when they decided to move east, to New York, to take advantage of the country's burgeoning economic expansion. Company records indicate that by the time Kuhn and Loeb established their partnership, they were able to capitalize it at $500,000. On January 1, 1875, Jacob Schiff (1847-1920), Solomon Loeb's son-in-law, joined the firm and began a remarkable reign as its leader, during which it grew to be the most prestigious investment bank in the United States, perhaps, second only, to J. Pierpont Morgan's, J.P. Morgan & Co.

Jacob Schiff


The firm grew to prominence during the railroad era in the United States. Much like the internet boom which struck America in the 1990s, Americans saw great hope and promise in the railroad era and investors saw great opportunities to profit. Kuhn, Loeb, like all investment banks, brought capital together with commercial opportunity. Its first meaningful entry into railroad financing was in 1877 when it raised funds for the Chicago and North Western Railroad, and several years later, in 1881, for the Pennsylvania Railroad and the Chicago, Milwaukee & St. Paul Railroad.

Schiff was instrumental in the reorganization of the Union Pacific in 1897, helping to place the firm on sound financial footing. In 1901, with Kuhn, Loeb's financial support, E. H. Harriman famously battled James Jerome Hill and J.P. Morgan to acquire control of the Northern Pacific Railroad.

The firm was long associated with many of America's emerging industrial giants, providing financial backing for Westinghouse and Western Union, as well as innovative consumer giants like the Polaroid Corporation. The firm also enjoyed respect as a trusted adviser overseas, providing services to numerous foreign governments, including the governments of Austria, Finland, Mexico and Venezuela.

It also acted as the leading investment house for John D. Rockefeller, through the guidance of his investment adviser, Frederick T. Gates. Rockefeller invested in many syndicates with the bank, including major stakes in the prominent railroad companies, as well as contributing to its consolidation of the Chicago meatpackers, which resulted in the formation of a leading trust. Overseas ventures that Rockefeller also got involved with included the bank's loans to the Chinese and Imperial Japanese governments.

The firm also joined a partnership with Rockefeller in 1911 to gain control of the Equitable Trust Company, which was later to merge and become the Chase Bank.[1]

Famous partners of the firm included Otto Kahn, Paul Warburg, Felix Warburg, Mortimer Schiff, Benjamin Buttenwieser, Lewis Strauss, Sigmund Warburg, founder of S.G. Warburg.

Otto Kahn


In its early years, intermarriage among the German-Jewish elite was common. Consequently, the partners of Kuhn, Loeb were closely related by blood and marriage to the partners of J & W Seligman, Speyer & Co., Goldman, Sachs & Co., Lehman Brothers and other prominent German-Jewish firms. Prior to the Second World War, a particularly close relationship existed between the partners of Kuhn, Loeb and M. M. Warburg & Co. of Hamburg, Germany, through Paul and Felix, who were Kuhn, Loeb partners. Later on, following World War II, their cousin Sigmund Warburg, would briefly continue this relationship as a partner and Executive Director of the firm.

The firm's fortunes began to fade in the years following World War II. Wall Street was changing and shifting away from relationship banking. Kuhn, Loeb's world of gentlemen bankers was gradually being replaced by a more aggressive, transaction-oriented Wall Street, with underwriters entering the trenches and selling securities directly to the public, territory Kuhn, Loeb stubbornly refused to enter. When asked how many people worked at Kuhn, Loeb, one partner famously quipped, "about half". Such was life at Kuhn, Loeb, resting on its laurels, while Wall Street passed it by.

In 1977, facing a capital crisis, the firm succumbed and merged with Lehman Brothers, to form Lehman Brothers, Kuhn, Loeb Inc. Internationally, the merged firms were known as Kuhn Loeb Lehman Brothers Inc., in recognition of the fact that Kuhn Loeb's international reputation was superior to that of Lehman's.

The merger did not, however, prove to be the panacea to what ailed Kuhn, Loeb. Indeed, as detailed more closely in the Lehman Brothers history, a period of bitter internal strife ended in 1984 when the firm sold itself to Shearson/American Express, itself the product of a recent merger between American Express and Sandy Weill's, Shearson Loeb Rhodes. The combined firms, then dropped the Kuhn, Loeb name and became known as Shearson Lehman/American Express, ending Kuhn, Loeb's almost 120 years on Wall Street.

Later, the combined firm purchased disgraced E.F. Hutton, becoming Shearson Lehman Hutton. Ultimately, however, American Express could not make the pieces of its financial services supermarket work and the firm sold its retail brokerage operations to Primerica in 1993 and in 1994 spun off a beleaguered Lehman Brothers as Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., in an initial public offering.

Although the Kuhn, Loeb name is likely lost forever, the firm's legacy is not. Former Kuhn, Loeb employees remain in senior positions throughout Wall Street and until recently, at Lehman Brothers. Vestiges of the firm survived in the form of Lehman Brothers' extensive fixed income capabilities, including many of their bond indices, such as the Government/Credit index. This index, originally birthed in 1973 by Kuhn, Loeb, as the Government/Corporate index was among the first generation of bond index data to measure the fixed income market. It is still the preeminent benchmark in its class.

Partners of the Firm

General Partners
Abraham Kuhn (1867-1887)
Solomon Loeb^ (1867-1899)
Samuel Wolff (1867-1872)
Samuel Kuhn (1868-1869)
Jacob Netter (1867-1869)
Jacob H. Schiff^ (1875-1920)
Abraham Wolff (1875-1900)
Michael Gernsheim (1875-1881)
Lewis S. Wolff (1884-1891)
James Loeb (1894-1901)
Louis A. Heinsheimer (1894-1909)
Felix M. Warburg (1897-1937)
Otto H. Kahn^ (1897-1934)
Mortimer L. Schiff (1900-1931)
Paul M. Warburg (1903-1914)
Jerome J. Hanauer** (1912-1932)
Gordon Leith (London) (1927-1930)
George W. Bovenizer (1929-1961)
Lewis L. Strauss (1929-1946)
Sir William Wiseman, Bart. (1929-1960)
John M. Schiff^ (1931 - ?)
Frederick M. Warburg (1931 - ?)
Gilbert W. Kahn (1931 - ?)
 Benjamin Buttenwieser (1932 - ?)
Hugh Knowlton (1932 - ?)
Elisha Walker (1933-1950)
Percy M. Stewart (1941 - ?)
Robert F. Brown (1941 - ?)
Robert E. Walker (1949-1958)
J. Emerson Thors (1949 - ?)
J. Richardson Dilworth (1952-1958)
Jonas C. Andersen (1955-1956)
Sir Siegmund G. Warburg (London) (1956-1964)
David T. Miralia (1957 - ?)
Kenneth N. Hall (1956 - ?)
Henry Necarsulmer (1956-1977)
Charles J. Ely (1956 - ?)
Bernard Einhorn (1965-1967)
Nathaniel Samuels (? - 1974)
Morris H. Wright
John M. Leonard
Alvin E. Friedman (1962 - ?)
John S. Guest (1962 - ?)
Jerome S. Katzin (1962-1977)
John T. Monzani (1962-?)
H. Spottswood White (1962-?)
 Thomas E. Dewey, Jr. (?-1975)
Andre Istel (1964-1966)
Harvey M. Krueger^ (1965-1977)
Anthony M. Lund
William H. Todd
Yves-Andres Istel (1966 - ?)
John K. Libby (1967 - ?)
James H. Manges (1967 - ?)
David T. Schiff (1967 - ?)
Sydney S. Netreba (1968 - ?)
Sidney J. Sauerhaft (1968 - ?)
Joseph F. Schwartz (1968 - ?)
John Barry Ryan III (1969 -)
Edgar R. Koerner (1969 - ?)
Archie E. Albright (1969 - ?)
Mark C. Feer (1969 - ?)
W. Richard Bingham (1970 - ?)
James A. Favia (1970 - ?)
William M. Kearns, Jr. (1970 - ?)
Norman W. Stewart (1970 - ?)
Clifford W. Michel (1972 - ?)
Robert M. Shepard (1973 - ?)
 

** First non-family member to be admitted to the partnership.
^ Indicates status as former managing partner

Clients of the Firm

American Smelting and Refining Company
Anheuser-Busch Incorporated
Automatic Data Processing, Inc.
Bank Leumi Le-Israel B.M.
Bayer Foreign Investments Limited
Bethlehem Steel Corporation
C.I.T. Financial Corporation
Chemical Bank New York Trust Company
Dreyfus Corporation
Eastern Air Lines, Inc.
Endicott Johnson Corporation
Erie Lackawanna Railroad Corporation
European Coal and Steel Community (forerunner of the E.U.)
Ford Foundation
Great Atlantic & Pacific Tea Company, Inc.
International Telephone and Telegraph Corporation
Israel Discount Bank Limited
Kingdom of Denmark
Kingdom of Norway
L.M. Ericsson Telephone Company, Sweden
 Metromedia, Inc.
Metropolis of Tokyo, Japan
Power Authority of the State of New York
R.K.O. General, Inc.
Republic Industrial Corporation
Republic of Austria
Republic of Finland
Republic of Peru
Republic of the Philippines
Republic of Venezuela
Reynolds Metals Company
Rockwell Manufacturing Company
Rockwell-Standard Corp.
Southern Pacific Company
Stouffer Foods Corporation
Uniroyal, Inc.
Mexico (United Mexican States)
Wagner Electric Corporation
Western Union Telegraph Company
Westinghouse Electric Corporation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuhn,_Loeb_&_Co.

Solomon Loeb




Solomon Loeb (June 29, 1828, Worms, Rhenish Hesse, Germany — December 12, 1903, New York) was a German-American merchant in textiles and later a banker with Kuhn, Loeb & Co.. His father, a devout Jew, had been a small corn- and wine-dealer in Worms, which belonged to the Grand Duchy of Hesse and by Rhine. S. Loeb emigrated to the United States in 1849. He settled in Cincinnati with textiles merchants Kuhn, Netter & Co. He moved to New York City in 1865 and with his partner Abraham Kuhn started the banking house of Kuhn, Loeb and Co.. His second born son James Loeb joined the bank in 1888 (and left in 1901). Salomon Loeb gradually retired from running the business, but left Kuhn, Loeb & Co. only in 1899. He then started to work in real estate. He was a generous philantropist.

Family

First wife: Fanny Kuhn, sister of Abraham Kuhn
Children of the first marriage:
Therese Loeb, who married Jacob H. Schiff in 1875, their daughter Frieda Schiff married Felix Warburg in 1895.
Second wife: Betty Gallenberg, from Mannheim (Germany). A pianist.
Children of the second marriage: Morris, Guta, James and Nina.
Morris Loeb (b. 1863 Cincinnati, d. 1912) professor of chemistry, married Eda Kuhn in 1895, the daughter of Samuel and Regina Wise Kuhn. Samuel Kuhn was a brother of Abraham Kuhn
Guta Loeb (b. Sept. 5, 1865 New York). She married Isaac N. Seligman, David Seligman's grandson.
James (Jimmy) Loeb (b. 1867 New York, d. 1933) banker
Nina Loeb (b. 1870 - d. 1945), married Paul Warburg in 1895.

Jeanette W. Loeb




22 Dec 1986 ... Jeanette W. Loeb Recently appointed the first woman partner of Goldman Sachs, Loeb, 34, has climbed the ladder by staying put. She has never worked at another firm and never strayed from the private finance department. Over the past four years Loeb has built a new specialty for Goldman Sachs: supplier financing. She works out the terms of purchases between corporations and their equipment suppliers. Under Loeb's guidance, clients such as USX and Inland Steel have bought $4 billion worth of equipment, frequently by borrowing money from suppliers at below-market rates. Loeb arrived at Goldman Sachs with a degree in economics from Wellesley College and an MBA from Harvard. What's the next rung on the ladder? She says, ''There's nothing beyond Goldman Sachs for me.''

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1986/12/22/68444/index.htm

Paid Notice: Deaths
LOEB, PETER K. - Published: November 19, 2004

http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:YhdA9XFJq7wJ:query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html%3Fres%3D9802E7DA113FF93AA25752C1A9629C8B63+jeanette+loeb&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk

LOEB--Peter. Our deepest sympathy to the Loeb family on their loss of Peter, our dear friend. The Madoff Family

Jeanette W. Loeb relationship map - Muckety

http://www.muckety.com/Jeanette-W-Loeb/19216.muckety

Other LOEBs (not necessarily related)

http://www.wtblock.com/wtblockjr/JewishCommunity/ABriefHistoryoftheEarlyBeaumontJewishCommunity.htm

Solomon Judah Loeb Rapoport

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Judah_Loeb_Rapoport

http://www.loebtree.com/oloeb.html#jolo

http://www.loebtree.com/yoseph.html

http://www.loebtree.com/index.html
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[uroko]

Lots of good stuff there - I just skimmed over it, but a wealth of information.

Rurik was the great-grandfather of Vladimir I, through whose marriage to Anna Porphorygenita he became the spicket through which royal Khazar and Byzantine blood flowed into the royal houses of Europe.  Kind of strange, but that's par for the course - the Varangians attacked Byzantium yet the Varangian Guards became the body-guards of the Byzantine Emperors starting with Basil II, a close descendant of Melissena and hence part-Khazar.  I'm used to it though, allies turning into enemies and back again over generations is par for the course - I try to just keep my eye on the blood-lines.

Coincidentally, I'm currently working on a post about Vladimir, or should I say, the crest of the Vlad family which is a single silver Magen David  on a blue background, evoking not only the Israeli flag but also the color scheme of Rangabe.   Of course, the Magen David is a pagan symbol - the family of Vlad (as well as a host of other important families such as Payen, the leader of the first Templars Hughes de Payen (the 'Pagan') being one) adopted it long before it became a symbol of Judaism.  The jewish people have been conned, and a pagan symbol foisted on them while Kabbalah was incorporated into the religion as a "sect" - despite the fact that Kabbalah and what it really is about is what Judaism was a departure from from the beginning.  Kabbalah is dualistic - and our leaders aren't Jewish OR Christian - they are, as Eustice Mullins pointed out correctly, Canaanites.  They gain refuge in the dualistic justification of the murder of innocents to further their goals - Order out of Chaos.  

There's a guy in Texas who is way over my head, but a true genius with regard to untangling the myths and the roots of the elite.   He has an online book titled 'Tracking Ladon God and the Hebrew Rose' (which is as explosive as it is dense and difficult to follow).   But for the brave, I recommend it, despite the fact that I don't share "John"'s religious leadings.

http://www.tribwatch.com/ladon.htm

By the way, in my movie there are a couple of little mistakes which I need to fix - when Roger I returned to Adelaide's grave the skull was found below the pelvis and the femur bones crossed - reinforcing the Chi-Rho 're-birth' aspect of the myth.  The remains of some Templar Knights show femur bones crossed like this.  

Cheers

[uroko]

Oh, and I just read /tab's bit regarding Kuhn & Loeb.  Yes, the bank merged with Lehman Brothers - but did you know that it split again, into Lehman and the Blackstone Group?   Peter G. Peterson, for who the Peter G. Peterson Institute for International Economics is named, is a high-flyer, the Institute is maybe the most influential (and least known) think tank in the world and its list of directors is a "who's who" list.   I suspect that the important people at Lehman Bros. had long moved to Blackstone and Lehman was thrown to the wolves.

[uroko]

Spelling mistake above, the title of John's book is 'Tracking Ladon Gog.   (As in Magag and Gog.)

[mgt23]

uroko added to TIU TV

[Anonymous]

@ /tab

Now MAYBE [and I said maybe with reservations because of the Phoenician connections/implications which I see Very Strong and Clear in the Proxy Empires through the Ages with their LAW OF THE SEAS / Uniform Commercial Code / Company Law / Corporate law yada yada and the Phoenician origins of this Same Admiralty Law]. OR The divertion/misdirection/deception Begins (or Misinterpretation) - Because we know of the the Talmud, and the Cryptos, The Phoenicia Bloodlines, the consequences of the implementation of "Josephus problem" as a mathematical solution/ safe heaven for the Real Ruling Elites, just to name some of it - and in front of all Millenia and Millenia of years of Mass Deception (Also known as "Official History"). Anyway, all information must be scrutinized closely, this in good Parmenidean spirit [principle] but without the queer part ; )

consider the following
that Phoenician is the 16th century Old english way of saying Venetian.
Venetian Naval power at that time escape north to Britain and Netherlands - both becoming naval powers after
willy spear shaker writes merchant of venice trying to humanize the venetian bankers
Chris Marlow writes Jew of Malta - daemonizing  the jew
venetian royal familes and their bankers flee north for protection from Turks aka Ottoman empire
The Dutch eventually sit on the thrown of england ousting the Catholic King James
King james creates the french oriental branch of freemasonry
converts the story rebuilding the temple into the reclamation of the thrown by his seed

the builders

There was a MS discovered in the Bodleian Library at Oxford about 1696, supposed to have been written in the year 1436, which purports to be an examination of a Mason by King Henry VI, and is allowed by all to be genuine. Its title runs as follows: "Certain questions with answers to the same concerning the mystery of masonry written by King Henry the Sixth and faithfully copied by me, John

Laylande, antiquarian, by command of his highness." Written in quaint old English, it would doubtless be unintelligible to all but antiquarians, but it reads after this fashion:

What mote it be?—It is the knowledge of nature, and the power of its various operations; particularly the skill of reckoning, of weights and measures, of constructing buildings and dwellings of all kinds, and the true manner of forming all things for the use of man.

Where did it begin?—It began with the first men of the East, who were before the first men of the West, and coming with it, it hath brought all comforts to the wild and comfortless.

Who brought it to the West?—The Phoenicians who, being great merchants, came first from the East into Phoenicia, for the convenience of commerce, both East and West by the Red and Mediterranean Seas.

How came it into England?—Pythagoras, a Grecian, traveled to acquire knowledge in Egypt and Syria, and in every other land where the Phoenicians had planted Masonry; and gaining admittance into all lodges of Masons, he learned much, and returned and dwelt in Grecia Magna, growing and becoming mighty wise and greatly renowned. Here he formed a great lodge at Crotona, and made many Masons, some of whom traveled into France, and there made many more, from whence, in process of time, the art passed into England.

[Anonymous]

How cool! - How did you find my movie?  

I am Eric, I made that.  Yes, it's a bit amateurish, my resources and video skills are wanting, but I appreciate that /tab was pleased enough to post it here.   Thank you.

Unfortunately, the topic that really interests me, the ancient roots of the ruling elite, the true nature of Zionism etc., is too deep to really address in the video I'm trying to finish.    Now that I have established the skull and bones connections, I can continue with the Bush/Harriman alliance.   Their funding of Adolf Hitler went through Sullivan and Cromwell, whose senior partners were Allen and John Foster Dulles, the former of which was the 3rd architect of the Defense Act of 1947, bringing me back to the topic of the CIA.  The CIA's real purpose was as the attack-dog of the American International Corporation / Guarantee Trust alliance, which is evident in the coups and interventions (on behalf of the multi-nationals controlled by those two companies) that the agency engaged in between WWII and the 1st Gulf War.  I will continue from there, briefly, to 9/11 and the present, hopefully answering the remainder of the big questions I posed.  

Hopefully I can do a second "Uroko" (chapter II?) at some point and just deal with the roots of the elite and the deeper issues.   In the mean time, I keep adding posts on my website.  I recently finished one on Melissena which I am quite proud of, and others are in the works.   http://urokomovie.com/melissena.shtml

Again, thanks for your interest, when people pick up on what I'm doing it helps me to keep going.  

I haven't looked around the site much yet, but I will.   Cheers.

Howdy first off - cool video

Some items of interest maybe

the lusitania sank in 1915 and us entered ww1 in 1917. a complete timeline would be good for you to create.
like balfore declaration
the telegram to mexico
etc..

i created one once.

I was not aware of the RR to Baghdad, which is very interesting especially in light of Rothschilds battle to gain control over the RR in europe with the Perrier guy.
also consider that it is not only about oil, and that ww1 served as a multi purpose geo political tool.
for example
breaking up the Ottoman empire, who crushed the real Jerusalem - Constantinople and cause the ruling families to flee north in the first place.
Also consider the creation of israel as prevention tactic of the ottoman empire ever reforming. A tool to crush any middle east country that becomes to powerful.
just look at the joint operation of the israeli - british operation suez war 1956, when Britain lost control of suez  

Also the British role in creating the Japanese Frankenstein

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Meiji ... er1906.jpg

here some stuff

http://www.jewishagency.org/JewishAgenc ... ar+One.htm

I have always had trouble with the timeline
dec 10th 1914 - the plot is on for a homeland
Lusitania Sunk - Friday 7th May 1915
Meeting with Zionists - bring US in and you can have Palestine as homeland*****
Zimmermann Telegram - Feb 24th 1917*** the official reason US joins the War*****
US enters the War - The United States declared war on Germany on April 6, 1917, thus entering WWI.
British Start attack on Palestine Oct 2 1917
Balfore Declaration - Nov 17, 1917
Capture the holy city Dec 11th 1917

World War I placed the Jewish people in a tremendous dilemma: its sons were on both fronts and fighting one another, while demonstrating patriotism to their countries. The World Zionist Organization was also having to deal with an extremely difficult and complicated situation, for its center in Berlin was considered pro-German while its branches in other countries supported, at least partially, the other side. Thus it was decided at the beginning of the war to establish a Zionist liaison office in Copenhagen, the capital of neutral Denmark.

In addition to this, the tiny Jewish settlement in Palestine, the apple of the eye of the World Zionist Organization, was facing a threat to its existence. It was part of the Ottoman Empire, which in 1914 tried to ally itself with the Triple Entente between Germany, Austria-Hungary, the enemies of the Triple Alliance - England, France and Russia. Upon receiving a negative response, the Empire found itself obliged to join the Triple Alliance. Most residents of the Yishuv were Entente citizens (the majority from Russia) and the Turks demanded that they become Ottomans or leave the country. Thousands rushed to leave; others were deported. The situation in Palestine deteriorated rapidly. If not for the Jews of the United States, who came to their rescue by sending money and food by means of American warships (after the government in Washington agreed to provide assistance), the situation might have been far far worse.

At the beginning of the war, most of the Jews in Palestine and many Jews from around the world (including the United States) supported Turkey and Germany. Only a few supported and acted in favor of the involvement of the Jewish-Zionists, the enemies of Turkey, in the Entente. The supporters of the alliance between England and France were in a minority.

They included Chaim Weizmann in London and Ze'ev Jabotinsky, who acted to establish a Jewish Legion in the framework of the British army, Pinhas Rutenberg, who traveled to the United States for the same cause, Baron Rothschild in Paris and Joseph Trumpeldor, who together with Jabotinsky established the first auxiliary unit within the British army, which came to be known as the Zion Mule Corps. The other Zionist leaders disapproved of this activity and considered it a threat both to Jewish settlement in Eretz Israel and to the Jewish people as a whole.

Extensive activity took place in England for three years in order to try to persuade this important super power to support Zionist aspirations. Some Zionist leaders participated in this activity, headed by Dr. Weizmann, who took an increasingly major role, the two branches of the Rothschild family (from England and France), and a number of prominent British, non-Jewish personalities. Weizmann, who contributed his skills as a chemist to the British war effort, established strong ties with the minister of munitions, David Lloyd George, and renewed old ties with Lord (Arthur James) Balfour. In 1916, a new government was formed in London, with Lloyd George as prime minister and Lord Balfour as foreign secretary. This contributed significantly to the efforts of the Zionists to advance Zionist aspirations. Weizmann received a good deal of help from the Anglo-Jewish politician Herbert Samuel, as well as Charles P. Scott, the influential editor of the "Manchester Guardian".

On November 2, 1917, the British government conveyed a declaration of sympathy with Jewish-Zionist aspirations. This was approved after many discussions and objections by various groups - among them the head of assimilated British Jewry - and published on this date in the form of the Balfour Declaration (after its author, Lord Balfour). Great Britain, at that time a super power, promised the Jewish people aid in building a Jewish national home in Palestine. In a fantastic historical coincidence, the government approved the declaration on October 31, 1917, the exact same day that the great British attack in southern Palestine (which led to the conquest of this area and of Jerusalem within six weeks) took place.

In 1917, the British approved the establishment of two new Jewish battalions within the British army that would fight on the Palestine front: the first battalion was founded in England at the initiative of Ze'ev Jabotinsky and the second was founded a short time later in the United States by David Ben-Gurion and Yitzhak Ben-Zvi, among others. The three leaders were themselves recruited to these battalions. In 1918, a third battalion was established in Eretz Israel.

The Jewish Yishuv suffered greatly during World War I. Its numbers diminished by more than a third - from 85,000 to 56,000 - due to people leaving Palestine, deportations, and economic strife and disease. The conquest of Palestine by the British was a lifesaver and the publication of the Balfour Declaration, together with the advance of the British forces in conquering Jerusalem, was welcomed as part of the coming of the Messiah; granted the people of Israel after the great suffering they had undergone during the war.

The Balfour Declaration was undoubtedly the greatest Jewish-Zionist achievement during World War I. its attainment brought matters full circle: Herzl fought unsuccessfully for a charter, and Weizmann, his successor and youngest rival (one of the greatest supporters of synthetic Zionism, which combined political and practical Zionism) succeeded in finishing the task. Herzl gambled on Turkey and failed; Weizmann gambled on England, which at that time was considered madness, and succeeded.

In September 1918, the British army completed its conquest of Palestine, and 400 years of Turkish rule came to an end. A British military regime replaced it, and the assumption of the Jewish-Zionists was that within a short time the promises made in the Balfour Declaration would be fulfilled. The existence of thousands of Jewish soldiers in the country in the framework of the Jewish Legion was considered a contributing factor to the imminent Jewish uprising. These were days of elation for the Jewish people whose usually bleak future was beginning to look promising.

1914

July 28
World war I breaks out and the Jewish world is torn between the two sides: the Triple Alliance (Russia, England and France), the Triple Entente (Germany and Austria-Hungary, later joined by Turkey). The United States is neutral. Jews fight each other.

August
Because of the war, the Turks suspend their shipping connections with Europe and declare a moratorium - rejecting payments and commitments. This results in a crisis and profound distress in the Jewish Yishuv.

September 8
The Turkish government cancels capitulation measures, according to which foreign nationals are subject only to their consuls and not to the governments of the country in which they live. Thousands of Jews in Palestine with foreign citizenship worry about their fate.

October 6
The American warship "North Carolina" brings $50,000 from the Jews of the United States to the Jewish Yishuv in Eretz Israel. This is the beginning of Jewish-American aid to the Yishuv.

October 30
Turkey enters the war on the side of the Triple Alliance. Palestine, as part of Turkey, is now a participant in the war. The Turks order all foreign nationals in Palestine to take out Turkish citizenship or leave.
Thus begins a mass exodus of Jews from Palestine.

November 9
In a discussion with the British foreign secretary Sir Edward Grey, the Anglo-Jewish politician Herbert Samuel raises, for the first time, the possibility that Turkey will collapse following the war. The super powers, he says, will find it difficult to turn Palestine into one of their own territories, so perhaps it is worthwhile "fulfilling the ancient ambitions of the Jewish people and re-establishing a Jewish state." Grey responds sympathetically.

December 3-6
A meeting of the Actions Committee (Va'ad HaPoel HaZioni) in Copenhagen, after the World Zionist Organization decides to open a Zionist liaison office in neutral Denmark, while leaving its principle institutions in Germany. Sokolow and Chlenov, two Zionist leaders, are dispatched to the United States and arrive, eventually, in England. Zionist activity in most of the European countries-on both fronts - is paralyzed.

December 10
The first meeting between Weizmann and Samuel takes place in London; the first step on the long road to the Balfour Declaration.
Weizmann, a medium-ranking Zionist leader, begins to pave his way to the leadership.

The Jewish Yishuv in Palestine is being persecuted. The Turks arrest suspects, confiscate equipment and supplies, and place prohibitions on the use of Zionist symbols and stamps. Increasing numbers of Jews leave Palestine. American warships help evacuate those wishing to leave to Egypt, which is in British hands.

December 28
Baron Edmond de Rothschild meets in Paris with Dr. Chaim Weizmann. He tells him, surprisingly, that now that Turkey has entered the war, the cautious activity in Eretz Israel must stop and that Jews must work openly and demand the establishment of a Jewish state.

1915

January - March
The Turks arrest a number of young leaders and community activists in Palestine. Among them are Tanya Shohat, Yehoshua Hankin, David Ben-Gurion and Yitzhak Ben-Zvi. Some of them are deported to Turkey for the entire duration of the war, and others - the Ben-Gurion and Ben-Zvi - to Egypt, from where they travel to the United States.

March
Ze'ev Jabotinsky (who arrived from Russia) and Joseph Trumpeldor (who left Palestine because of Turkish persecution) join forces in Alexandria, Egypt to form a Jewish Legion, which will fight with the British in the struggle to liberate Palestine from the Turks. The British refuse to give their consent but agree to the establishment of an auxiliary unit, a mule corps, which comes to be known as the Zion Mule Corps.

April 1
The Mule Corps swears allegiance to the British army. Jabotinsky is not prepared to serve in the corps because its duties only involve transportation, and demands the establishment of a fighting legion. Trumpeldor is recruited to the regiment, firstly as deputy commanding officer with the rank of captain and later as deputy battalion commander. In mid-April, the battalion is sent to the Gallipoli front.

Jabotinsky leaves for Europe in order to establish a Jewish fighting force. He meets with Pinhas Rutenberg, a Russian-Jewish engineer and a leading revolutionary in his country, in Brindesi, Italy. The two agree to work together to bring about the establishment of a Jewish Legion. Rutenberg leaves for the United States in order to advance matters.

April-May
The beginning of the NILI underground movement (its name is chosen later), whose founders are Aaron Aaronsohn and Avshalom Feinberg, together with a small number of settlement members. These young people, in despair over the Turkish government, decide to make contact with the British and help them conquer Palestine from the Turks.

June 10-11
The Actions Committee (Va'ad HaPoel HaZioni) convenes in Copenhagen. It violently rejects Jabotinsky's plan to establish a Jewish Legion. Jabotinsky is warned that if he doesn't cease his activities he will "bury the Zionist enterprise forever." The Actions Committee resolves that "The Jewish Legion project stands in deep contradiction to the principles of Zionist activity... no Zionist will participate or support this activity." Jabotinsky refuses to heed them and despite objections by the majority of Zionist leaders, moves to London where he continues to work towards the establishment of a regiment.

American warships arrive in Palestine throughout the year, bringing money and food sent by American Jews. This aid saves the Jewish Yishuv from starvation and disease. Upon their return, the warships take with them thousands of Jews who are leaving Palestine because of persecution and the ban on foreign nationals of enemy countries remaining in Palestine.

1916

April 16
Britain and France sign the Sykes-Picot Agreement, which divides the Middle East between them. It is named after its two signers, senior officials in the foreign ministries of their countries: Sir Mark Sykes from Britain and Francois-Georges Picot from France. According to the agreement, Palestine is to be under the governments of a number of super powers: the Haifa Bay area - in British hands; the majority of the Galilee - in French hands; south of the Judah region and all of the Negev - in the hands of an Arab country backed by Britain; and the rest of Palestine, including Jerusalem, Jaffa, Tiberias and Nazareth - under international control. The agreement raises deep concern in the hearts of the Zionist leaders who wish to establish a Jewish state/national home in Palestine.

May
At the end of the Gallipoli campaign, the British disband the Zion Mule Corps. One hundred and twenty of its members are transferred to England, where they become the basis of the Jewish Legion, which Jabotinsky is in the process of establishing.

July
Aaron Aaronsohn, head of the NILI spy organization, leaves Palestine and travels to Europe. He arrives in Egypt some months later, where he manages spy operations. Operations in Palestine are headed by his sister, Sarah Aaronsohn, Avshalom Feinberg and Joseph Lishansky.

September 20
The Turkish governor in Palestine, Ahmed Jamal Pasha, expels Dr. Arthur Ruppin, head of the Palestine Office (the Zionist representation in Jaffa), from Palestine. It ignores the fact that Ruppin is a German citizen and that Germany is a principle ally of the Turks in the war.

October 21
Kfar Bar-Giora, the first wartime settlement, is established in the Galilee by members of HaShomer. It is headed by Israel Giladi. After Giladi's death in 1918, the kibbutz is named Kfar Giladi in his honor. Throughout the summer and autumn of 1916, the British army advances from Egypt in northern Sinai and crosses over into southern Palestine.

On December 21 it conquers EI-Arish.

1917

In the first months of the year, the British army advances northward and by the end of March arrives in the Gaza region.

March 26-28
The first British assault on Gaza takes place, ending in defeat for the British.

April
The assault provides Jamal Pasha with an excuse to order the wholesale evacuation of the Jews of Jaffa (including the neighborhood of Tel Aviv). He commands them to leave their homes and go north, for fear of a British attack. Ten thousand Jews leave within a few days. Most of the Arab residents escape into the surrounding villages and fields. The leaders of the Yishuv send urgent telegrams summoning the leaders of German and American Jewry and call on them to intervene in order to prevent additional expulsions and perhaps even mass killings (as with the Armenians).

April-May
Weizmann (in London) and Sokolow (in Paris) work feverishly to enlist support for the idea of a Jewish national homeland in Eretz Israel. Weizmann believes that prime minister Lloyd George and foreign secretary Balfour sympathize with the idea. Sokolow, who is being helped by Baron Edmond de Rothschild in Paris, is favorably impressed with the position of the French government. Intensive activity in the United States to gain the support of President Wilson is also underway. The Zionist leader Louis Dembitz Brandeis is especially active now that Wilson has appointed him to the Supreme Court - the first Jew to be appointed to that office. The Zionists increase their efforts to persuade Britain's allies to agree to transfer control over Palestine to Britain once the Turks are defeated.

April 17-20
The second British assault on Gaza brings tremendous force to bear on the city, but again the British are repulsed.

May 4
Sokolow is granted an audience with Pope Benedict XV at the Vatican where he asks for moral support for the aspirations of the Zionists in Eretz Israel. The Pope responds: "Yes, yes. I imagine we will be good neighbors."

June 4
A sympathetic declaration from the French government for Zionist aspirations is made by the secretary general of the foreign ministry, Jules Cambon, to Nahum Sokolow: "lf conditions will allow and the independence of the holy places be preserved, it would be a deed of justice and reparation to assist, by the protection of the Allied Powers, in the renaissance of the Jewish nationality in that Land from which the people of Israel were exiled so many centuries ago."

June 28
General Edmund Allenby is appointed commander of the British forces in Palestine. He replaces General Archibald Murray.

End of June - July 22
Weizmann leaves on a secret mission to Spain on behalf of the British government in order to meet Henry Morganthau, the former American ambassador to Turkey. The latter is heading East in order to implement a plan he has conceived to "remove Turkey from the war," as it opposes both British and Zionist interests. He succeeds in his mission, confirming, unquestionably, the special status of Weizmann in London.

In the summer months, Zionist activity in London, aimed at achieving a formal, sympathetic declaration in favor of Zionism from the British government, increases. The British army is about to conquer Palestine. The Zionists present a proposal, which is conveyed to Lord Balfour by Lord Rothschild on July 18. Jabotinsky continues his efforts to establish a Jewish Legion.

August 23
In London, the British government consents to the formation of the 38th Battalion of Royal Fusiliers. Ze'ev Jabotinsky is among the first recruits.

October 1
The activities of the NILI organization, which had gained momentum from the beginning of the year (the transfer of information to the British in Egypt, the sending of emissaries and the receipt of money which was transferred to Yishuv leaders), come to an end on this date following the Turkish incursion into Zichron Ya'akov. The attack results in the arrest and torture of suspected NILI members and threats of violence against the Jewish Yishuv. NILI leader Sarah Aaronsohn is arrested by the Turkish military authorities and tortured for three days. To escape further torture, she commits suicide. Joseph Lishansky flees but is chased and caught by the Turks on October 20. There is much concern in the Yishuv with regard to a Turkish reprisal.

October
After prolonged discussions and indecision throughout the month of October, the final version of the Balfour Declaration is consolidated. The indecisive parties were really only trying to placate the Arab supporters and the anti-Zionist circles within British Jewry.

October 31
The British launch a large-scale attack in the Negev. It is a diversionary action against Gaza; the main battle is for Beersheva, which falls in one day. On the exact same day, the British government approves the final version of the Balfour Declaration.

November 2
The British government publishes the Balfour Declaration, signed by its foreign secretary, Lord James Arthur Balfour. The Declaration - addressed to Lord Lionel Rothschild who is asked to bring it to the attention of the "Zionist Federation" - includes an expression of support for the founding of a "national home" for the Jews in Palestine. There is great joy throughout the Jewish world, on both fronts.

November
Throughout the first half of the month, the British army advances rapidly northwards, conquering Gaza in southern Palestine, Jaffa and Tel Aviv, Lod, Ramle and the surrounding area. The next step is to take possession of Jerusalem.

An additional Jewish regiment, the 39th Battalion of Royal Fusiliers, is established in the United States, which is to participate in the battles for Palestine with the British army. Among its organizers and first recruits are David Ben-Gurion and Yitzhak Ben-left.

December 9
On the eve of Chanukah, the British army enters Jerusalem. It meets no resistance as the Turks have secretly left the city.

December 11
The formal date of the conquest of Jerusalem. General Allenby enters the city victoriously. Upon reaching Jaffa Gate, he dismounts from his horse and enters the Holy City on foot. Four hundred years of Turkish rule have come to an end.

December 16
In Damascus, the Turks hang the two NILI members they are holding - Na'aman Belkind and Joseph Lishansky.

1918

January 2-3
Yishuv representatives from the territory conquered by the British assemble for a founding meeting of what will later be called the Elected Assembly (Asefat haNivharim).

March 1
The 38th Battalion of the Jewish Legion arrives in England from Egypt. It trains for battle on the front line in Palestine.

April 1
A Zionist Commission arrives in Palestine, consisting of senior Zionist representatives, which has received British approval to operate in Palestine. At its head is Chaim Weizmann.

June 4
Weizmann meets with Emir Feisal in south Transjordan - one of the heads of the Arab Rebellion against the Turks and a British ally - to discuss cooperation between the Jewish and Arab national movements.

June 9
The 38th Battalion positions itself on the front line in the area of Samaria.

June 18
The British approve the establishment of an additional battalion - the 40th Battalion of Royal Fusiliers - in the framework of the Jewish Legion, a regiment of the British army. Volunteers are to be recruited from Palestine.

July 24
A cornerstone laying ceremony is held for the Hebrew University at Mount Scopus in Jerusalem, with the participation of Dr. Chaim Weizmann and General Allenby.

August 20
A delegation of doctors and nurses from the Hadassah Organization of America arrives in Eretz Israel together with large amounts of medical equipment. It has come to help Yishuv members who need medical attention as a result of World War I. In late August, the 39th Battalion, that was recruited in the United States, arrives in Egypt en route to Palestine.

September 19
The great British attack to rout the Turkish army from Palestine and neighboring countries begins. Within 11 days the entire area is conquered - between south Samaria and Damascus, as well as Transjordan. Soldiers of the 38th and 39th Battalions of the Jewish Legion participate in the battles.

October 8
The Habima Theater is established in Moscow, and begins to operate in Palestine from 1931. In 1958 it is awarded the status of "national theater."

October 31
Turkey surrenders. The war in the Middle East comes to an end.

November 11
World War I ends on the European front. Germany and Austria-Hungary surrender.

[Anonymous]

Lots of good stuff there - I just skimmed over it, but a wealth of information.

Rurik was the great-grandfather of Vladimir I, through whose marriage to Anna Porphorygenita he became the spicket through which royal Khazar and Byzantine blood flowed into the royal houses of Europe.  Kind of strange, but that's par for the course - the Varangians attacked Byzantium yet the Varangian Guards became the body-guards of the Byzantine Emperors starting with Basil II, a close descendant of Melissena and hence part-Khazar.  I'm used to it though, allies turning into enemies and back again over generations is par for the course - I try to just keep my eye on the blood-lines.

Coincidentally, I'm currently working on a post about Vladimir, or should I say, the crest of the Vlad family which is a single silver Magen David  on a blue background, evoking not only the Israeli flag but also the color scheme of Rangabe.   Of course, the Magen David is a pagan symbol - the family of Vlad (as well as a host of other important families such as Payen, the leader of the first Templars Hughes de Payen (the 'Pagan') being one) adopted it long before it became a symbol of Judaism.  The jewish people have been conned, and a pagan symbol foisted on them while Kabbalah was incorporated into the religion as a "sect" - despite the fact that Kabbalah and what it really is about is what Judaism was a departure from from the beginning.  Kabbalah is dualistic - and our leaders aren't Jewish OR Christian - they are, as Eustice Mullins pointed out correctly, Canaanites.  They gain refuge in the dualistic justification of the murder of innocents to further their goals - Order out of Chaos.  

There's a guy in Texas who is way over my head, but a true genius with regard to untangling the myths and the roots of the elite.   He has an online book titled 'Tracking Ladon God and the Hebrew Rose' (which is as explosive as it is dense and difficult to follow).   But for the brave, I recommend it, despite the fact that I don't share "John"'s religious leadings.

http://www.tribwatch.com/ladon.htm

By the way, in my movie there are a couple of little mistakes which I need to fix - when Roger I returned to Adelaide's grave the skull was found below the pelvis and the femur bones crossed - reinforcing the Chi-Rho 're-birth' aspect of the myth.  The remains of some Templar Knights show femur bones crossed like this.  

Cheers

Only If you can believe any of the beyond the 15th century. I have already shown quite clearly that Khazar propaganda was created and conveniently surfaced when they tried to gain support for a jewish homoland. just like the dead sea scrolls

th 6kings aka VI kings is important to the story.

viewtopic.php?f=35&t=5028

viewtopic.php?f=42&t=4964

and many more listed here

viewforum.php?f=42

[Anonymous]

@uroko

ok just made it through all 10 videos.
I would be careful on the Historical timeline

the info on normans or north man if you will is interesting.

According to Fomenko, William I Normandy is actually a reflection of Byzantine ruler Theodore I Lascris

anyway much of what was stated about templars and vikings and normans is most likely much later in history, but most likely after 1453 and the fall of constantinople aka Jerusalem.

[Anonymous]

http://www.sacred-texts.com/sro/pc/pc04.htm#page_11

when it was carried over from England to the continent; and here, it is to be particularly remarked, that all our Brethren abroad profess to have received the Mystery of Free Masonry from Britain. This is surely a puzzle in the history; and we must leave it to others to reconcile this with the repeated assertions in Anderson's book of Constitutions, "That the Fraternity existed all over the world," and the numberless examples which he adduces of its exertions in other countries; nay, with his repeated assertions, "that it frequently was near perishing in Britain, and that our Princes were obliged to send to France and other countries, for leading men, to restore it to its former energy among us." We shall find by and by that this is not a point of mere historical curiosity, but that much hinges on it.

In the mean time, let us just remember, that the plain tale of Brotherly love had been polished up to protestations of universal benevolence, and had taken place of loyalty and attachment to the unfortunate Family of Stuart, which was now totally forgotten in the English Lodges. The Revolution had taken place, and King James, with many of his most zealous adherents, had taken refuge in France.

But they took Free Masonry with them to the continent, where it was immediately received by the French, and was cultivated with great zeal in a manner suited to the taste and habits of that highly polished people. The Lodges in France naturally became the rendezvous of the adherents to their banished King, and the means of carrying on a correspondence with their friends in England. At this time also the Jesuits took a more active hand in Free Masonry than ever. They insinuated themselves into the English Lodges, where they were caressed by the Catholics, who panted after the re-establishment of their faith, and tolerated by the Protestant royalists, who thought no concession too great a compensation for their services. At this time changes were made in some of the masonic symbols, particularly in the tracing of the Lodge, which bear evident marks of Jesuitical interference.

A lion, wounded by an arrow, and escaped from the stake to which he had been bound, with the broken rope still about his neck, is represented lying at the mouth of a cave, and occupied with mathematical instruments which are lying near him. A broken crown lies at the foot of the stake.

THE LION WOUNDED.

A Man, who was very skilful with his bow, went up into the forest to hunt. At his approach, there was a great consternation and rout among the wild beasts, the Lion alone showing any determination to fight. "Stop," said the Archer to him, "and await my messenger, who has somewhat to say to you." With that, he sent an arrow after the Lion, and wounded him in the side. The Lion, smarting with anguish, fled into the depths of the forest; but a Fox, seeing him run, bade him take courage, and face his enemy. "No," said the Lion, "you will not persuade me to that; for if the messenger he sends is so sharp, what must be the power of him who sends it?"

MORAL.

It is better to yield to a superior force than foolishly brave its power.



but don't worry the lion king will return

[uroko]

@ tab,

Thank you, that's a great time-line you put together.  

Yes, I agree with you, WWI was carried off for multiple reasons - securing Palestine for Zionist settlement, keeping control of oil within the Rockefeller/Rothschild monopolies, and to justify the first moves toward global governance.  I'm trying to keep the movie flowing and to explain everything all at once becomes problematic and distracting, I find.   When I get to WWII (which, apart from money-trust funding of the Nazis, I am only going to address briefly), I'll point out that WWII was fought in large part to finish the jobs left undone after WWI - the League of Nations failed and Jewish immigration to Palestine was paultry.  WWII fixed all that, resulting in the UN, World Bank etc., and Jewish immigration to Palestine increased markedly.  

It's interesting you mentioned 6-kings / VI-kings.  I once entertained the notion that VI-king could actually be a reference to the 6 Hyksos kings of Egypt ... but discarded the idea as a coincidence, particularly because the Norse didn't call themselves that.   But since I have become aware of the possibility that the proto-Vikings migrated to Troad from Egypt, it doesn't seem so crazy to me anymore.

@ JohnSavage, I'm not quite sure what you mean I should be careful about the timeline - my dates for the Norman invasion of Normandy to the launching of the 1st crusade seem to me to be fairly well accepted - I'll check again for mistakes.   I have difficulty lending much credence to Fomenko's ideas, so many sources agree on the year of Wiiliam's invasion of England and so my family trees trace back to it - prior to Hastings, yes, things get fuzzier.  Regardless, interesting stuff, I'll keep reading.

[Anonymous]

@ tab,

Thank you, that's a great time-line you put together.  

Yes, I agree with you, WWI was carried off for multiple reasons - securing Palestine for Zionist settlement, keeping control of oil within the Rockefeller/Rothschild monopolies, and to justify the first moves toward global governance.  I'm trying to keep the movie flowing and to explain everything all at once becomes problematic and distracting, I find.   When I get to WWII (which, apart from money-trust funding of the Nazis, I am only going to address briefly), I'll point out that WWII was fought in large part to finish the jobs left undone after WWI - the League of Nations failed and Jewish immigration to Palestine was paultry.  WWII fixed all that, resulting in the UN, World Bank etc., and Jewish immigration to Palestine increased markedly.  

It's interesting you mentioned 6-kings / VI-kings.  I once entertained the notion that VI-king could actually be a reference to the 6 Hyksos kings of Egypt ... but discarded the idea as a coincidence, particularly because the Norse didn't call themselves that.   But since I have become aware of the possibility that the proto-Vikings migrated to Troad from Egypt, it doesn't seem so crazy to me anymore.

@ JohnSavage, I'm not quite sure what you mean I should be careful about the timeline - my dates for the Norman invasion of Normandy to the launching of the 1st crusade seem to me to be fairly well accepted - I'll check again for mistakes.   I have difficulty lending much credence to Fomenko's ideas, so many sources agree on the year of Wiiliam's invasion of England and so my family trees trace back to it - prior to Hastings, yes, things get fuzzier.  Regardless, interesting stuff, I'll keep reading.

Howdy

The key word is accepted.
Most history was created in the 15th and 16th century and later. Universal time and dates was created in 16th century and was not fully accepted everywhere until 19th century.

as you may be aware, they say history repeats, and for good reason. your 6 kings in Egypt is most likely a reflection of a time closer to our own.

i would suggest you check the sources carefully.

you will find

no dates as we know them
not original document
or it's a story that one guy heard from another guy who heard it from another guy and so on.
After Constantinople fell, their dukes, governers, tsars and guardians of the roman empire needed to provide a long history of ruling to justify their rule.

books to peruse

http://deathflag.com/deathflag/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=717

cheers

[Wimpy]

Uroko, just wait around for the other shoe of John's to drop; his unsupported, unsubstantiated, fly in the face of empirical evidence idea that "Iron" and the forging of Iron was also of recent history.  You see, Uroko, since Iron wasn't around until rather recent history it was impossible for horses, who require horseshoes for long journeys etc., to have allowed, say, the Mongolian hordes to invade Europe.  Therefore, history is a lie, the dates are all wrong and you were obviously not related to anyone in the battle of Hastings.  Simple, you were lied to.

[Anonymous]

Uroko, just wait around for the other shoe of John's to drop; his unsupported, unsubstantiated, fly in the face of empirical evidence idea that "Iron" and the forging of Iron was also of recent history.  You see, Uroko, since Iron wasn't around until rather recent history it was impossible for horses, who require horseshoes for long journeys etc., to have allowed, say, the Mongolian hordes to invade Europe.  Therefore, history is a lie, the dates are all wrong and you were obviously not related to anyone in the battle of Hastings.  Simple, you were lied to.

Thanks Wimpy

I'm not forcing anyone to believe what I believe. You are more then entitled to believe in fairy tales. But if you put the time in and research you would see my position is not far fetched and that evidence does exist. but like i said believe in empirical evidence or fairy tales it's all  up to you. Uroko is a big boy and he can reach his on conclusions.

[Hans]

Thanks, great stuff.

[Wimpy]

John Savage, I am aware that there are true and literal documents of events in past recorded history and that there are complete fabrications, allegories, fairy tales and the intentional destruction of history.  I just can't wrap my tiny brain around proffered theories that are based on defective syllogism.  Besides, to whom does this theory benefit and what is the ultimate agenda?  

Uroko has diligently produced a well researched series of videos touching on a broad historical period.  Your 'theories' serve to pointedly undermine his entire thesis.  If I were to take a position on his presentation versus your theory my conclusion would be 99.99% in Uroko's favor.  Call me biased or delusional but 'I yam what I yam,...and I can't stands no more'.  Borrowed that from my friend Popeye.

[uroko]

I like you guys, you are fun.

To John, I am WAY open to a reinterpretation of the history we have been taught and what is written in our "scholarly" accounts.  My whole video is in fact an attempt to do just that.   I'm not sure if I'm ready to accept the radical theories of Fomenko, but I have been reading up on what he proposes, his arguments, and arguments against it.   I'm always open to new ideas, for heaven's sake this sort of information, including much of what is in Uroko, is not easily assembled, nor easy to separate from the disinformation which has been woven into the narrative of history for generations if not centuries.  

Secondly, I am constantly getting more knowledgable about certain details, and already I want to go back and re-word little things - my equating the Magyars with the Huns for example.  They were closely related, they were allied, yes, Hungarian myth has them as descended from twins Hunor and Magor ... but they were not one and the same.   Scholars reject the notion that Hungary was named for the Huns - according to them Hungary was named for "10 tribes", On-ghur.   But did the Hun name also derive from On-ghur, making it a moot point???  I suspect yes, but I can't back it up.  What's the truth?  No one knows - scholars simply continue to debate it.  Should I leave that bit out of my flick?   It would leave a hole, making the connections harder to grasp for the un-initiated.   Maybe simple and controversial is the best way to go - it entices people to debate the conclusions, hence get involved in the discussion.  But is that being dishonest?

Hehe.  

Whatever, I'm working on part 11 right now.   I'll keep trying to educate myself, and hopefully revisit what I have done in the future and tighten it up.  For now, at least it's far closer to the truth than what the media holds as the foundation of our world, and/or what our educational system shamelessly teaches our kids with our tax dollars.

[Anonymous]

I like you guys, you are fun.

To John, I am WAY open to a reinterpretation of the history we have been taught and what is written in our "scholarly" accounts.  My whole video is in fact an attempt to do just that.   I'm not sure if I'm ready to accept the radical theories of Fomenko, but I have been reading up on what he proposes, his arguments, and arguments against it.   I'm always open to new ideas, for heaven's sake this sort of information, including much of what is in Uroko, is not easily assembled, nor easy to separate from the disinformation which has been woven into the narrative of history for generations if not centuries.  

Secondly, I am constantly getting more knowledgable about certain details, and already I want to go back and re-word little things - my equating the Magyars with the Huns for example.  They were closely related, they were allied, yes, Hungarian myth has them as descended from twins Hunor and Magor ... but they were not one and the same.   Scholars reject the notion that Hungary was named for the Huns - according to them Hungary was named for "10 tribes", On-ghur.   But did the Hun name also derive from On-ghur, making it a moot point???  I suspect yes, but I can't back it up.  What's the truth?  No one knows - scholars simply continue to debate it.  Should I leave that bit out of my flick?   It would leave a hole, making the connections harder to grasp for the un-initiated.   Maybe simple and controversial is the best way to go - it entices people to debate the conclusions, hence get involved in the discussion.  But is that being dishonest?

Hehe.  

Whatever, I'm working on part 11 right now.   I'll keep trying to educate myself, and hopefully revisit what I have done in the future and tighten it up.  For now, at least it's far closer to the truth than what the media holds as the foundation of our world, and/or what our educational system shamelessly teaches our kids with our tax dollars.

Howdy again

Well, if you come across something that can not be backed up, just say so, or say allegedly or according to etc.. just caveat it.

Don't accept anything Fomenko says, just try to prove what he states as wrong.

I not sure what sources you are using for hungarians and magyars etc.. but when I looked into it they all went back to arabic writers as sources.

you might recall the movie the 13th warrior which was based on such a writers work.

anyway when i dug into the Arabic writers, what i found were allegedly 13th to 16th century documents that referenced someone writing in 6 or 5th century or similar cases.

and many of the Arabic writers had never actually been to the areas that they were writing about all third party accounts.

however, I did discover a similar tale closer to our time with regards to the cossacks. specifically around the alleged 1453 fall of Constantinople

as from this painters rendition
http://robertarood.files.wordpress.com/ ... sacks1.jpg

the info you are delivering may be true, even if the history has be falsified to back it up. for example all the bastards may be related and have intermarried clans and the coat of arms may reflect that, but the time period may be off. that's all I am saying really

[Anonymous]

from the builders

History, like a mirage, lifts only a part of the past into view, leaving much that we should like to know in oblivion. At this distance the Middle Ages wear an aspect of smooth uniformity of faith and opinion, but that is only one of the many illusions of time by which we are deceived. What looks like uniformity was only conformity, and underneath its surface there was almost as much variety of thought as there is today, albeit not so freely expressed. Science itself, as well as religious ideas deemed heretical, sought seclusion; but the human mind was alive and active none the less, and a great secret Order like Masonry, enjoying the protection of the Church, yet independent of it, invited freedom of thought and faith. 1 The Masons, by the very nature of their art, came into contact with all classes of men, and they had opportunities to know the defects of the Church.

While, as an order, the Comacine Masters served the Church as builders, the creed required for admission to their fraternity was never narrow, and, as we shall see, it became every year broader. Unless this fact be kept in mind, the influence of the Church upon Masonry, which no one seeks to minify, may easily be exaggerated. Not until cathedral building began to decline by reason of the impoverishment of the nations by long wars, the dissolution of the monasteries, and the advent of Puritanism, did the Church greatly influence the order; and not even then to the extent of diverting it from its original and unique mission. Other influences were at work betimes, such as the persecution of the Knights Templars and the tragic martyrdom of De Molai, making themselves felt, 1 and Masonry began to be suspected of harboring heresy. So tangled were the tendencies of that period that they are not easily followed, but the fact emerges that Masonry rapidly broadened until its final break with the Church.

[Anonymous]

i don't know if you had the chance to review the info under the research area for the arabic writers

but I found this of interest

http://www.kcn.ru/tat_en/history/h_hordee.html

[Anonymous]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayeux_Tapestry

The Bayeux Tapestry is annotated in Latin

"Latin was recreated by Scaliger and his Papa allegedly"

a comparison of the Latin might give you an idea of when it was created as either before or after the switch from Vulgar Latin to the beautified version. The fact that I see vowels may indicate a version closer to our time.

The earliest known written reference to the tapestry is a 1476 inventory of Bayeux Cathedral, but its origins have been the subject of much speculation and controversy.

"The accepted Timeline was created sometime in the 1500's created by Scaliger and Petavius by the church adopted the Gregorian calendar which was not fully accepted world wide until 19th century."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tapes ... yeux10.jpg

Halley's Comet? how did they determine that?  could have been any comet or shooting star really

may be a good indicator as to time, if other astrological indicators are present

also keep in mind that there was another Willy that invaded England - because History repeats

I assume the other source for Hastings Battle is the Anglo Saxon Chronicle?

what other sources does the hastings battle come from?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Saxon_Chronicle

any other sources related to the Battle of Hastings?

According to Fomenko

 5.15. William I the Conqueror and  Hastings  battle  in  1066
          A.D. The fourth crusade in 1204 A.D.

         5.15.1. Two well-known wars in England and Byzantine
                 empire have the same origin
         5.15.2. English version of William the Conqueror story
         5.15.3. Byzantine version of the Constantinople's
                 conqueror
         5.15.4. A list of correspondences between events from
                 Byzantine and English chronicles

 2.3.5. Epoch from 1040 to 1066.
        Epoch of the Old Anglo-Saxon dynasty and it's fall

     The reign of Edward "The Confessor" finished in  1066  A.D.,
which is a well-known date  in  English  history.  In  that  year
Edward died and after that England was occupied by  Normans  with
their leader William I Conqueror the Bastard. In 1066 William the
Conqueror defeated English-Saxon king Harold in  Hastings  battle
and as a result became an English king  himself.  Period  of  his
reign was 1066-1087. This well-known date  (1066  A.D.)  is  also
represented in the Fig.1.

The commentary to the dynastic stream of  English  history.
After the death of Edward "The Confessor" a new  king  Harold  II
"Godwinson" took the throne. He ruled only 1 year and was  killed
in 1066 in the battle near Hastings. From the other  hand  it  is
known ([7],p.343) that in reality he got a great political  power
in 1054 when Edward was alive. But the English chronicles  placed
just before the rule of Edward "The Confessor" one  more  "short"
(i.e. with a short  rule)  Harold,  namely  Harold  I  "Harefoot"
(1036-1039) who ruled only 3 years.  It  is  possible  that  this
Harold I is simply the reflection of Harold II

21. "Doubled Harold", i.e.        21. Isaac II Angelus 1185-1195,
Harold I Danish (1036-1039) and   then he lost the power and
then Harold II (1066 year).       appeared on Byzantine throne
Harold II ruled only 9 months.    again in 1203 (second time). He
It is clear that this "doubled    ruled no more than 1 year and
Harold" is the reflection of      finally lost the power in 1204,
Byzantine"doubled Isaac Angelus", after the conquest of Constanti-
who ruled two times. His second   nople by crusaders. Thus, his
rule was short: less than 1 year  second rule was no more than 1
                                  year

 5.15. William I the Conqueror and Hastings battle in 1066 A.D.
                 The fourth crusade in 1204 A.D.

       5.15.1. Two well-known wars in England and Byzantine
                   Empire have the same origin

     Because luck of space, we  have  listed  above  only  a  few
"identification of events" between English and Byzantine history.
But it is impossible to finish the paper without  mentioning  one
more interesting parallel (identification):

     the English war of William I the Conqueror (about 1066  A.D.
     in traditional chronology) is the reflection  of  the   4th
     Byzantine crusade (about 1204 A.D.).

     We  describe  this  parallel  very  briefly  and  hope  that
statisticians and historians can continue this work.
     As we saw above in  the  Fig.1  (representing  the  dynastic
parallel between English and Byzantine history), the epoch of 4th
crusade 1204 A.D. is statistically identified exactly with  epoch
of William I.

5.15.2. English version of William the Conqueror story

     Briefly speaking,  the  classical  history  of  William  (in
traditional version) is as follows (see, for example, [7],p.343).
     His full name is :

       duke William I of Normandy, the Bastard, Conqueror,

     See ([2],p.197; or [7]).
     Edward "The Confessor" died in 1066 A.D. without  sons.  One
of his dukes Harold II  "Godwinson",  king  of  Norway,  king  of
English; (see [2],p.196,197), was extremely  powerful,  took  the
kingdom and nobody  objected  (all  others  were  agreed  to  see
Harold as new king). But after some  time  appeared  William  the
Bastard, duke of  Normandy  and  started  to  claim  the  throne.
William said that Edward fixed him as  his  successor  (suggested
the throne). William addressed to Roman  pope  and  succeeded  in
attraction of the pope on his side. Then William sent ambassadors
in Germany and France asking for a help and support. As a result,
William collected "a great army  consisting  of  adventurers  who
came from France, Flandria, Bretan, Aquitaine, Burgundy, Apulia,
Sicily... They collected for the robbery of England" ([7],p.343).
William (Wilhelm) organized the large  fleet  for  invasion  into
England. It is interesting that in Baye there  exists  the large
ancient carpet (70 meters long and 50 centimeters wide)  of  11th
century, representing the fleet of William Conqueror. This carpet
contains about 1255 images of different persons and objects.
     While William waited the fair wind, the Norwegians landed in
the mouth of Humber river under leadership of Tostig (brother  of
Harold). Harold went to the  enemies  and  defeated  Tostig  near
York. But at the same day on  a  free  coast  the  huge  army  of
Normans was landed (near  Pevensey).  In  spite  of  his  wounds,
Harold turned fast his army in  back  direction.  He  hurried  to
started the battle without waiting the reinforcement. The violent
battle was happened near Hastings. Harold army was  defeated  and
he was killed. "This victory was one of the most important in the
history. The whole England was  conquered  by  duke  of  Normandy
(William - Auth.) who was crowned in London" ([7],p.344).
     The church anointment  transformed  William  into  real  and
legitimate king. He begins the terror, many people were  declared
as traitors, the landed property was  confiscated.  The  reaction
was immediate - revolts. But William suppressed  all  riots  with
extreme cruelty. His rule is considered today as  very  important
for English history, this  is  "turning  point",  many  pages  of
chronicles are devoted to William (see, for example,  Anglo-Saxon
Chronicle). William  starts  the  Norman  dynasty  (dynasty  from
Normandy) in England. The dynasty lasts until 1154 A.D. and  then
is replaced by new Anjou dynasty.

        5.15.3. Byzantine version of the Constantinople's
                             conquest

     Let us recall now the traditional version of this  important
event following, for example, to [11]. The 4th crusade  1202-1204
A.D. was started with the call of Roman  pope  Innocent  II.  The
campaign was finished  by  the  conquest  of  Constantinople  and
complete change of ruling dynasty in Byzantine empire. The  forth
crusade is considered today as one of the most  important  events
in European  history.  There  are  many  survived  documents  and
literary  sources  about  this  crusade,  which   were   written,
allegedly, by the direct participants of crusade (see below).
     Crusaders asked Venice to give them the fleet. And very soon
the huge fleet with army came to the Constantinople. "The  ground
was the appeal of Byzantine prince Alexey to the pope and to  the
German emperor with asking the help. Alexey was the  son  of  the
Byzantine emperor Isaac II the Angelus, who was dethroned in 1195
A.D." ([11],p.209). Crusaders were supported by feudals of France
and German empire. Roman pope also helped to crusaders. From  the
other hand he  "forbid"  them  (but  only  verbal)  to  harm  the
Christian regions. "Thus, all powerful political parties  of  the
medieval Europe pushed the crusaders to the conquest of Byzantine
empire" ([11],p.209).
     It was created the special  Council  consisting  of  several
noble  leaders.  The  formal  leader  of  crusade  was   Boniface
Monferratio.  But  the  head  of  the  Council  of  crusade was
well-known   marshal   Geoffroy   de   Villehardouin.   He    was
"distinguished and well-known politician of crusade, he took part
in all important diplomatic  actions"  ([15],p.125).  When  today
somebody speaks about 4th crusade, then the first person which is
immediately mentioned, is Villehardouin. He is supposed today  as
the   author   of   well-known   chronicle   "La   Conqueste   de
Constantinople" [26] (see details in  [25]).  The  conjecture  is
that he dictated these chronicle in the end of his life.
     Crusaders besieged  the  Constantinople  in  1204  A.D.  and
restored on the throne the emperor  Isaac  II  the  Angelus.  But
cannot pay them the whole amount of money which he  promised  for
their support. Enraged crusaders captured  the  capital  in  1204
A.D. and violently plundered the town. The large part of the city
was burned, the famous temple of Saint Sofia was  also  plundered
and its great treasures were  disappeared  (according  to  legend
were transported somewhere).
     Crusaders founded in Constantinople the new  state  -  Latin
empire (1204-1261). Thus, the last period  of  Byzantine  history
began in 1204 A.D. This epoch was named above as Byzantine empire
No. 3. The new Greek (Byzantine) dynasty starts from  Theodore  I
Lascaris (1204-1222). His coming to the power is a direct  result
of 4th crusade, of the war and conquest of Constantinople.


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http://lib.ru/FOMENKOAT/engltr.txt

interesting but no provable

 

It is likely that English name Tudor (royal family that ruled
England 1485-1603) is the variant of Byzantine name Theodore.

[Anonymous]

that's interesting

Commentary. By the way, the medieval sources of 4th  crusade
constantly repeat that it was "march on the Babylon" ([25],p.161)
(!). But,  according  to  conjecture  of  traditional  historians
(belonging to the Scaliger's chronological school),  the  Babylon
was completely destroyed many hundreds  years  ago  and  was  not
restored after this fall. Contradiction! The modern  commentators
try to find "the solution" (of this unpleasant  problem)  in  the
following way: "Here is meant (by the name of  Babylon  -  Auth.)
the Egyptian town Cairo, which was called in the West as Babylon"
([25],p.161).

[Anonymous]

Also your wizard of oz section is interesting

info that I had come across.

The ruby slippers were originally Silver in the book

and a symbol of the US populist movement

US farmers wanted to move away from Rothschild Gold back money to a silver backed money

their cowardly lion William Jennings Bryan who sold them out in the end