Documentary with a New Paradigm- What has been the Role of the Jews in the NWO? You'll be Surprise !

[Anonymous]

in Part 9

Although part of the netherlands was under spanish control, I believe that they flew the imperial coat of arms the double headed eagle.

or Roman empire if you will. The proxy army of the Vatican

hapsburg dynasty

also interesting note

Romanov means new romans

also the inquisition came on the heals of the Catholic reformation.

also I believe that the Vatican just released documents showing that they investigated the templars and found them not to be heretics.

but who is to say when these docs were created or to what end.

http://boingboing.net/2007/10/12/vatica ... -knig.html

The publishing house said the new book includes the "Parchment of Chinon," a 1308 decision by (Pope) Clement (V) to save the Templars and their order. The document was misplaced for centuries in the archives and found again by researchers in 2001.

According to the Vatican archives Web site, the parchment shows that Clement absolved the Templar leaders of the heresy charge, though he did recognize they were guilty of immorality, and he planned to reform the order.

However, pressured by Philip, Clement later reversed his decision and suppressed the order in 1312.

Also your holy land is an 1800's creation of where the holy land was, it was actually Constantinople from my research. and thus placing Israel in Palestine is the cruelest of jokes and was done more so for geopolitical reasons.

[Anonymous]

was wondering about the sources for the Rolf the Ganger guy

I have a 12th century French Poet
who wrote
Chronique des ducs de Normandie

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beno%C3%AE ... inte-Maure

Fomenko

suggests that norman may be roman

some issues

almost 400 to 500 years after the fact
he writes in old french.

Chronique des ducs de Normandie

Another major work, by a Benoît, probably identical to Benoît de Sainte-Maure, is a lengthy[5] verse Chronique des ducs de Normandie. Its manuscript at Tours, dating to 1180-1200, is probably the oldest surviving text in Old French transcribed on the Continent.[6] The standard edition is by Carin Fahlin, (Uppsala) 3 vols. 1951-5x.

can't find scan of original text

this same poet writes about The Romance of Troy

Fomenko contends that the story of troy is really about the Fall of Constantinople

[Anonymous]

Chapter 9

Captain Morgan may hold other meanings as well

http://www.padfield.com/1993/william-morgan/

[Anonymous]

chapter 9

if indeed Khazars adopted Judaism, they did not adopt circumcision or so say Historians

from a main english source on the Khazar info

http://www.archive.org/stream/historyof ... 6/mode/2up

and the emperor's daughter goes to live in a tent instead of the palace

[Anonymous]

chapter 9

founders of skull and bones

http://abundanthope.net/pages/True_US_H ... aled.shtml

it would be nice to get the deathbed recordings

[Anonymous]

the red shield of the Rothschild is the double headed eagle or the imperial coat of arms. That is very interesting

later adopting the lion and the unicorn



http://www.redicecreations.com/specialr ... hield.html

[Anonymous]

http://urokomovie.com/huns.shtml

The Huns

Attila the Hun most likely a reflection of 14th century invasion or later

Khan Han Hun

Han in Chinese may mean outsiders or so I have read.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarim_mummies

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/chinamum/taklamakan.html

what you might be experiencing is the same story told of different characters at different times aka history repeating because it was created  in 15th and 16th century.

Ghengas Khan is a freemasonic story

The Son of a widow, sometime brothers, sometimes twins, sometimes forming two tribes, sometime one brother kills the other, causing a split [cain and able] eventually uniting his people or the many waring tribes into a powerful empire or whatever.

some sons of the widow
Ghengas Khan
Alexander the great
King Arthur
etc ...

just use the Osiris horus and isis story as a template

this book might be useful

http://books.google.com.hk/books?id=RxA ... &q&f=false

or just google who was hiram abiff

which is suspect of being coded word

abrham  or nimrod etc...

[Anonymous]

http://urokomovie.com/viking_origins.shtml

consider phoenicians as venetian

[uroko]

"consider phoenicians as venetian"

For sure - I believe that.

Regarding Khazars, it is debated how much of the kingdom converted, or if only the ruling Kagans converted.   I once imagined that, immigrant refugees of Israel (assumedly weighted toward the pagan northern tribes like Dan and Naphtali) somehow found their way into the ruling class of Khazaria - just a hunch, backed up really only by the fact that the name Cohen, linked legitimately or not to Levi, appears to derive from Kagan.  This combined with the number of royal Armenians, Kagans and Bagratids in the family trees of the Eastern Emperors a thousand years ago, I assumed the merging of Khazar blood with that of the royal houses of Europe which Melissena's marriage to Inger set off was a merging of an Egypt/Israelite branch (Eastern) with a Viking/Frank i.e. Trojan branch.   Yes, I know this is completely wrong-headed, I was ignorant of many things back then.   Turns out the Viking/Frank i.e. Trojan branch WAS (as I now view it) the Egyptian side of the tree - and if the eastern of "Khazar" branch can be said to have added anything new, it would be the Mesopotamian-rooted blood which did NOT arrive via Egypt, along with a CHINESE element.  I say Chinese and not Mongolian because what I'm talking about is the blood of Chinese emperors which mixed with the nomadic (Turkic) tribes while they were in Mongolia.   Not only were the Huns closely related to (i.e. their Kings allegedly trace back to) the Xiongnu (as I and many others believe) who in turn intermarried to some degree with the Han Chinese (and I don't believe it to be coincidence that Hun and Han terms as similar), but the Khazar kings may well trace back to China as well, through the Xi-Wei.  

I know genealogy sites are to be taken with a big grain of salt, but I like this one and with that caveat,

The first page shows Ch'ang lo of the Xi-Wei (possibly) married to Tumen Khan of the Turks, siring a Khazar Kagan of the 6th century.   The second page shows a more probable (or additional) husband of hers being listed as Xak'an, whose ancestry is unknown, also resulting in Kagans ... T'ung Yabghu Ziebal, and other possible children are also Khans or Kagans.  

http://fabpedigree.com/s096/f830216.htm
http://fabpedigree.com/s072/f037122.htm

Presently I'm looking for some confirmation of this apparently significant point in genealogical time, for Turks and Khazar Kagans and Huns and forks which point to China all seem to be part of the same mixing pot.  I did find a list of Turkish Kings in which some names on the above genealogy links show up -

http://www.scribd.com/doc/6921532/KINGS ... scentLines

On page 3 I find Kholo Kagan, father of Angsu Tegin, same as the JDA website.  

I'm still poking around - I'll fire off this post as is.   Cheers

[uroko]

Here, on the JDA genealogy site I find Tumen Khan of the Turks being father of Kholo Khan of the Khazars - on the Turkish Kings list I find Bumen tribal chief of the Turks being father of Kholo Khan - and below it the following:

Bumin, tribal chief of the Turks 545, reck'd 1st King of Turks, revolts versus the Juan-Juan empire and migrates westwards; repulsing attacks by the [H]Ephthalies [a Hunnish tribe] upon the Turks migrating through the Russian steppes; made an astonishing advance; and establishes another settlement in Turkestan, founding [another] Turkish state [the Tu-Kiu kingdom] in Central Asia, Year 552 (d553) - Chang-Lo [-Kung-Cho], dau of Xi-Wei Wen-Ti, Emperor of China [N Wei] 535-552, & wife, dau of Anahuai [Anakai], King of Juan-Juan issue:
a. Kholo [Kara Khan]
b. Kushu Mugan
c. Tapur [Taspar]

On page one I find another name found on the JDA site, Liu Tsugu.

Liu, by the way, is apparently an elite Xiongnu family name which meant dragon - something I can believe because dragon in Japanese is in fact Ryu (R-L being equivalent), and being the "On-yomi" or "On" reading of the character for dragon, indicates Chinese origin.  

On the Turkish Kings site I find the following about  Liu Tsugu:

A Turkic prince (d398), whose parents migrated and settled in China's northern Liang province along with the other Turks.

[uroko]

From JohnSavage -

Howdy again

Well, if you come across something that can not be backed up, just say so, or say allegedly or according to etc.. just caveat it.

Yup, you're exactly right.  And I may go back and reword that.   However it turns out that the Onogur hypothesis (Onogur=10 arrows/10 tribes?) for the origin of the name Hungary is just a theory, and even if accurate could just as easily apply to the origin of the word Hun as well in my best judgment, knowing that the Bulgar Khans descended from Hunnic Kings.

Wikipedia (for what its worth) says this - " ... the legend being that the Onogurs and Bulgars descended from princes of Kush: Hungor & Maugor."    Well, Hungarian legend says that the Huns and the Magyars (founders of Hungary)  descended from twin sons of Ménrót (thought to be Nimrod, biblical son of Cush), Hunor and Magor.   Undoubtedly th same myth, describing the Onogurs and Bulgars on the one hand and the Huns and Magyars on the other.

I couldn't find any other (confirming or primary) source for the myth of Hunor and Magor (Hungor & Maugor) being shared by the Bulgars and Onogurs.  I did find this -  

... [Bulgars:] Regarded as direct descendants of the Sumerians and the Scythians, the myth of their origins roughly reproduces the legends of the Magyars.
The Bulgars were, or became, the main component of a larger ethnos known as Hunogurs or Onogurs, and were closely related to the Khazars. There is also a controversy about the original Bulgars being Huns or not; nevertheless, if they were not, and however closely related to them, they joined the Huns in early times and reached Europe together with them...

And sort of related - and very interesting, is this:

http://www.rmki.kfki.hu/~lukacs/HUNGKANJ.htm

The above writer is seemingly not a native English speaker, and is probably not Japanese either, for he gets his Kanji pronunciation wrong.  I found the character used to write Hungari in Japanese characters (as opposed to the much more common 'Katakana' writing style used for foreign words), it is this character:  

http://www.mahou.org/Kanji/5233/

Which is pronounced 'Kyou' in Japanese (On-yomi) and in Mandarin the pronounciation is listed as 'Xiong'.

The standard Japanese word for Hun in Japanese is 'Fun-zoku', 'Fun' being the closest Japanese have to 'Hun' and 'zoku' meaning tribe.  However it turns out that there's another Japanese word for Hun, 'Kyoudo', using the same above character used in 'Hungary'.

The meaning of the character, turmoil, would make sense given the nomadic nature of the Xiong-nu and the grief they caused the Chinese (they built the wall to try and keep them out of China).  

So there you have a direct connection between the Hun in Hungary as written in Japanese and the Chinese word for the Huns as they knew them (Xiong-nu).    Pretty interesting.

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Please Eric, I have some questions here if you could help me answering please,


1) Where can I find the information about the knights of William the Conqueror you were speaking of in your production because I can't found it, you know, the one with the names of  i e Astor and so on, and what do you think happened at the Titanic where John Jacob Astor IV died ?

List of Knights Accompanying William the Conqueror on his Invasion of England, 1066
http://www.three-peaks.net/1066.htm

John Jacob Astor IV



John Jacob Astor IV (July 13, 1864 – April 15, 1912) was an American millionaire businessman, real estate builder, inventor, writer, a member of the prominent Astor family, and a lieutenant colonel in the Spanish-American War. He died in the sinking of the RMS Titanic.

John Jacob Astor IV was born to William Backhouse Astor, Jr. and Caroline Webster Schermerhorn Astor. John Jacob IV was the great-grandson of John Jacob Astor whose fortune, made in opium, fur trade and real estate, made the Astor family one of the wealthiest families in the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jacob_Astor_IV

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/William_the_Conqueror

2) What do you know of Timur (also known as Tamerlane) whom Christopher Marlowe wrote about, what role did he played in all that THIS PLOT ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timur

Tamburlaine the Great — Part 1 & 2  by Christopher Marlowe
http://www.gutenberg.org/browse/authors/m#a410



Thx !

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[uroko]

I find most of my info about families at houseofnames.com.

I made a mistake in my movie, I listed it as houseofnames.org ... one of the things I need to fix.
There is no list I can refer you to that lists the knights who fought at Hastings, however houseofnames provides that information if you do a search for the family.

Also, I would expect much of that information would be in the Domesday Book.

http://www.domesdaybook.co.uk/index.html

Here are the families I have found fought at Hastings:
Roosevelt
Clinton (Bill Clinton isn't really a Clinton btw)
Cheney
Bruce (English branch)
Russell
Astor
Peabody
Cabot
Low  (Abiel Low worked for Russell & Co. and was heavily involved in trade with China as well as the founding of Columbia University)
Lovett
Taylor
Vere (Earls of Oxford, very prominent family)
Rumsfeld
Brown
Holbrooke
Mitchell
McCloy
Bundy
Volker
Disney

Re: Titanic, it is said that J.P. Morgan had a suite booked on the Titanic and cancelled his voyage at the last minute.  Could be some funny-stuff going on there.  Needless to say, the Astors who were influential in the 19th century didn't get a seat at the table in the 20th .,. that is, they weren't involved in the setting up of the FED.

I can imagine the other guys getting together and saying, "so, are we gonna let the Astors in on this?" And deciding no, and saying, "well, John Jacob isn't gonna take that sitting down".  And you can imagine the rest, and something as audacious as the sinking of the Titanic would have put off any Astors or anyone else for that matter from complaining about not getting a piece of the FED.   The date of its sinking is pretty suspicious - 1912, a year and a half before the FED act was passed.  I can believe that they would have done something like sink the Titanic to clear a few (and Astor may not have been the only one) tycoons before their final strike, before snatching contol over American currency, but how?  How on earth did they manage to do it?  

I don't know anything about Timur (Tamerlane), except the fact that the Timurid Empire was pretty big.   Here's genealogy for him, you can poke around.  I'm guessing, looking briefly at his genealogy and from the fact that he was Muslim that he was not in the "dragon" loop.  Again, I don't know.    

http://fabpedigree.com/s044/f830491.htm

Also, I added an article about the Franks on my site, as well as an addendum to the Hun piece which addresses the On-ogur business.

http://urokomovie.com/franks.shtml

Cheers

[/tab]

I find most of my info about families at houseofnames.com

Well, is always good to have several sources to the core of the theories that are the base in one's research, in orden to confirm that the hypotheses are in solid base, kind of, maybe there is i e some studies at hand in some universities where they treat the matters of genealogies of the royal families of europe ?

Also, I added an article about the Franks on my site, as well as an addendum to the Hun piece which addresses the On-ogur business.

http://urokomovie.com/franks.shtml

I found two pictures in the webpage there [ http://urokomovie.com/franks.shtml ] that had broken links, so they can't be seen, these ones

http://urokomovie.com/maps/2ndCentGermania.jpg

http://urokomovie.com/crests/sutherland.gif



Cheers


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[uroko]

Well, is always good to have several sources to the core of the theories that are the base in one's research, in orden to confirm that the hypotheses are in solid base, kind of, maybe there is i e some studies at hand in some universities where they treat the matters of genealogies of the royal families of europe ?

Yeah, for sure.   I live in Japan though, and I'm poor.  I thought about ordering the Domesday book online, but I'm not even sure it would have that information in it.   Point well taken though ...

Fixed those links.   Thnx tab  :up:

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Konnichi wa Eric, Kudasai, What do you know and make of the Howland's family chart ? Arigatou !




John Howland

Notable descendants

John and Elizabeth Howland's direct descendants include notable figures such as U.S. presidents Franklin D. Roosevelt, George H. W. Bush, and George W. Bush; U.S. first ladies Edith Roosevelt and Barbara Bush;Paul Howland, Mark Howland,Anthony howland ; poets Ralph Waldo Emerson, Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, and Philadelphia poet Florence Earle Coates—a 9th generation descendant and a founding member (1896) of the Society of Mayflower Descendants in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (SMDPA);[8] Mormon prophet and founder of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Joseph Smith, Jr. and his wife Emma Hale; Mormon leader Brigham Young; Continental Congress president Nathaniel Gorham; former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin; former Florida governor Jeb Bush; and actors/actresses Humphrey Bogart, Maude Adams, Lillian Russell and Anthony Perkins.[9][10][11] U.S. presidents Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford, and British prime minister Winston Churchill are descendants of John Howland's brothers Arthur (Nixon and Ford) and Henry (Churchill).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Howland



http://genealogy.williamsarts.us/genealogy/retrospect/index.php?m=family&id=I09210




http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~quedkr4/HowlandCoatOfArms.html


http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c/qx/howland-coat-arms.htm

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[uroko]

Konnichi wa Eric, Kudasai, What do you know and make of the Howland's family chart ? Arigatou !

Dou-itashimasite, or as I like to say, don't touch my moustache

Sorry, can't enlighten you much about the Howlands - obviously yet another well-connected family.  I looked 'em up at the JDA genealogy site (no genealogy site is totally trustworthy, but it's the first one I look at) - and there are no entries for the family before the 16th century which might indicate their relative unimportance prior to that time, although houseofnames says they were in Yorkshire before the Norman invasion.  (The Bush family also traces to Yorkshire.)   I've run across other families which trace back to Yorkshire, but I honestly can't remember which.   I do find an inordinate number of very old eilte families which trace to Devonshire and other parts of Cornwall.  (King Arthur legends?   Hmmm.)  

I'm sorry, I'm really not an expert, I just follow my nose and look people up that appear in the research I happen do be doing at the time.  

The Avery family is interesting.  Many people think that the Rockefeller family emerged onto the scene out of nowhere,  his father is described as having been a snake-oil salesman.   But J.D. Rockefeller's grandfather married an Avery, and several Averys married Morgans (whereby the Morgans and the Rockefellers are related by marriage - who'd a thunk?).   John Foster Dulles also married an Avery - I think this is why you read sometimes that the Dulles brothers were cousins of the Rockefellers - I haven't found any blood connection between the Dulles' and the Rockefellers except for this marriage of John Foster to an Avery.  

Thnx for the tip on the Howlands.

[uroko]

Hey, I found the tree I made linking the Rockefellers to the Morgans via the Averys.   There's a Russell in there too, and what do ya know, the Averys hail from Devonshire.

http://urokomovie.com/Avery.gif

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Uroko,

Have you had a chance to read the Synagogue of Satan by Andrew Carrington Hitchcock?

http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/Andr ... /index.htm

[uroko]

Hey,  CrackSmokeRepublican (great handle hahah).

I listened to a little of it, which is saying I haven't gotten the jist of it.   I will try to check it out further, I am quite interested in the subject, as you can imagine.

That said, I noticed it is hosted on Daryl Bradford Smith's iamthewitness site.  That's not to say Smith and Hitchcock have anything to do with one another.   But I am suspicious of "the Jews did it" ranting figures like Smith and Eric Hufschmidt.   I am involved at another forum, Pilots for 9/11 Truth, whose core members petitioned for the black-box (FDR) data from AA flight 77 and got it - and analyzed it.  Despite the fact that the media and even predominant "truther" sites have completely ignored this analysis, it is solid proof that the US government was involved in 9/11 or the covering up of what really happened - the data, which is official data released by the NTSB and is represented as the flight data from flight 77, says unequivocally that the plane was too high to hit the Pentagon, was in a dive in conflict with the Pentagon security camera frames, and was on a course other that the official one making it impossible for the plane to have downed the light poles.   This is data from the NTSB folks - these guys stick to what they can prove and are true heroes.   Yet Eric Hufschmidt (and I think Daryl Smith as well?) attacked P4T's co-founder and head administrator for being a Zionist agent.   What a joke, what a laugh.   I know the guy.   He's a patriot and couldn't give a rat's @ss about any of this stuff, he's a pilot and knows the country was attacked from within and wants to expose the lie, period.  

Now, I wasn't the target of the attack so I can't be sure what Daryl Smith's part was or wasn't, nor do I want to attack him.   But whenever I see iamthewitness hosting something I take it with a grain of salt.   Here's the thing, this is where I'm coming from.   The dancing Israelis TRIED to get arrested.  This is part of the psy-op angle of 9/11, as well as the incident qualifying as a prime candidate for what a very smart guy in Ann Arbor Michigan regards as "open complicity" (he made a movie under that title).  The true conspirators would love all 9/11 truthers to blame it on Israel and Mossad - then they can play the anti-Semite card, which they have.   That doesn't mean Mossad wasn't involved, they clearly were.   The question is, to what extent and to what extent do the top people who planned the whole thing consider themselves Zionists?   I would say 'in spades' - but that doesn't mean they are Jewish - I imagine only some of them are.  

I believe that Eustice Mullins hit it on the head when he described the would-be-rulers-of-the-world / slash / architects of the FED, the CIA, the CFR, RIIA and other round table groups as CANAANITES.   I consider Zionism one thing, the Jewish people something else, and the return of the Jewish people to Israel meme a cover story.  I believe the Jewish people were hijacked with propoganda, just as the American people have been hijacked to hate Muslims and back a global war on terror.  It was from Daryl Smith's website that I first heard that the Rothschilds funded Theodor Hertzl and the Zionist Congress from the beginning.  That's bunk.  They were lukewarm toward Hertzl's project, Edmund Rothschild fought with him in Palestine till their deaths, and another Rothschild (Alfred or Walter, I can't remember which) when propositioned by Hertzl to support a Jewish homeland in Palestine remarked "Take Uganda" instead - that's in Hertzl's diary.   In fairness, Hertzl won the baron over, but the point is, the Rothschilds were split among themselves as to how much support to lend to Hertzl at the beginning.    Obviously they became more and more involved, and by the time of the Balfour declaration the British Foreign Secretary considered Lord Walter (who he addressed his letter to) a representative of the Zionist Congress - but it appears that was not the case from the start.   The truth may be different, but there is no evidence for it.  

I just think the approach taken by people like Daryl Smith is counterproductive, and their take on the Jewish role in world-wide conspiracy (which I do accept as fact) as too pat, too simplistic.   Furthermore it doesn't explain the role of non-Jewish entities like the major-ly Episcopalian Skull and Bones fraternity and the huge presence of their alumni in politics, banking and intelligence, or the royal lineages of England whose descendants gather at the Bohemian Grove to watch mock-sacrifice for their entertainment.   BUT, when you side-step the "jewish" angle for a second and look really hard at what I call the "dragon-roots" of all these people that have been running the world in collusion for so many centuries and find out that their roots are in the Levant, in Canaan, not only does it all begin to make more sense, it helps to explain the Jewish role.

There is one free pass I will not give to those of the Judaic faith who chose to embrace Kabbalah - I assume most of them are ignorant as to its roots and real significance.  Kabbalah and Kybele are pronounced somewhat differently, and when the spelling Cybele is used the connection is all but unrecognizable.   But the name of the Great Mother Kybele does indeed derive from Kabbalah - and is related to Sheba, Sheva (Hindu goddess) and the prefix Saba.  Saba-Zios was a Greek/Trojan cult which merged Zeus (zeus=dios=zios) with Kybele/Cybele (Saba).  Sabazios was portrayed as male and riding a horse and was allegedly the inspiration for St. George the Dragon slayer.   What's incredibly interesting is that he is also (I sincerely believe and have good reason to) the horseman on the logo of the Council on Foreign Relations, whose ring-within-rings Rhodesian structure mirrors that of the Cult of Sabazios, the word's first "mystery religion" whereby secret knowledge was privy only to an elite priesthood at the center of the cult.   I other words, if you dig, you don't see a Jewish conspiracy - you see rather clues that tie to the Ba'al cults of Canaan and the Kybele cults of Troad and Greece.

I do not deny the horrors perpetrated on the Palestinians, I do not deny a connection between Judaism and Kabbalah, and I don't deny an overbearing presence of Jewish bankers and media moguls complicent in the hijacking of liberty and the furthering of NWO goals  in America and around the world.  But there is evil within any group ... Masons aren't all evil, most of them have no clue as to what the leadership of their organization are up to - this is the genius of the "rings-within-rings" Rhodesian model, which from what G. Edward Griffin says, was adopted by Cecil Rhodes from the Freemasonic model (the ancient origin of which is actually the Cult of Sabazios, which I mentioned).  

I even attribute the perversions of Catholic priests to these cults ... the Galli priests of Rome used to get drunk in wild orgies and whack their own genitals off in homage to Attis, the consort of Kybele (the Cult of Kybele was so popular that the Romans were forced to sanction it), thereafter dressing as women.   This practice was respected because it stove to manifest the duality of pagan beliefs - in this case a union of male and female.  These same cults also sacrificed children to the gods - to Molech/Moloch, who is represented at the Bohemian Grove as a giant owl (though traditionally he/she was a bull).   Order out of Chaos, union of male and female, wars, carnage and economic crashes propagated to re-adjust societal thinking and establish the architecture of institutionalized blood-sucking in countries around the world.  

The press toward one-world-government, toward a complete loss of personal freedom is advancing rapidly.  We have to wake up, and wake up fast.   Directing blame toward the Jews is not helpful, and even Zionism is but one aspect of this entity. They would love for us to, for it plays into their hands ... and it would be one thing if that was the truth, but it is but one aspect of the truth, IMO.   The true nature of the elite who are twisting the screws is deeper and has little to do with Judaism, despite the fact that many involved are "Jewish".  I could be wrong, but so far the more I search and read the more sure I am of my (somewhat unique) point of view.  Maybe the true nature of Judaism and what 95% of Jews around the world consider the nature of Judaism are different, and the ruling elite descended from Vikings and Franks consider themselves Jews - of a type unlike the 95% of god-fearing Jews who don't have a clue as to the true meaning of the Magen David - maybe they secretly do.   Maybe we need some new words to describe people - NWO Jews, Zionist Jews, mom-n-pop-Jews trying to get by, Jews in Israel disgusted with Israel's ZIonist genocidal policies, Jews outside of Israel disgusted with Israel's ZIonist genocidal policies, Jews within and without Israel who buy into the hate propaganda like ducks to water, ultra-elite Jews who aren't Jewish, ultra-elite Jews who are ......  

Sorry, I'm a bit frisky tonight - end of rant.  

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[VoltaXebec]

Thanks for giving us your position uroko, saves me trying to figure it out

[uroko]

My pleasure.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

uroko,

Have you ever looked at David Livingstone's material? He has a very interesting Redice Radio interview concerning the Kabballah and how it was likely rediscovered by Crusaders-Templars (future Cathars).  I'm not a huge follower "Bloodlines" and this line of inquiry since it would require literacy or at least a written record of transmitting a "Chosen-ness", etc. across hundreds of years in periods of time where even the elites including most nobles were all but illiterate. This "record" would have to be seen, described and maintained generation after generation.   I do realize Bloodlines are worth a look though. They make interesting connections. --The CSR  :

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Ro ... _Grail.htm

http://www.thedyinggod.com/holygrail.html

[uroko]

No, I hadn't read Livingstone - though in the back of my mind I feel like I had heard the name.  Wonderful! - thanks for the tip.  

I will say though, that I kept wanting to say "hang on there a minute".   Like when he states matter of factly that Poppa of Bavaria (the Frankish wife of Rollo the Viking, also known as Poppa of Valois) was descended from Guillaume (William) of Gelone.  I suspect that may be true, but Poppa's ancestry is very controversial and there are several theories.  I'd like to know why Livingstone is confident enough in her lineage to state that unambiguously.

I can certainly sympathize with him for blasting through all that stuff about Rabbi Makhir, Guillaume of Gellone, the Cathars and Templars etc. without trying to back up any of his controversial statements, I was forced to do much of the same thing in my movie - if you get bogged down explaining one's reason for arriving at various conclusions you'll never get a point across.  

There were a few things in there I wasn't aware of - like some of the marriages in this passage:

...David [King David of Scotland, son of Margaret who I talk about in my post about Melissena on my site] married the grand-daughter of Lambert II, the brother of Godefroi de Bouillon, leader of the first crusade, and the sister of sister of William the Conqueror. Godefroi's younger brother, Eustace III, married David's sister, Mary Scots. Their daughter married Stephen I King of England, the son Adela de Normandie, the daughter of William the Conqueror. Adela's brother, Henry I King of England, married David's sister, Editha of Scotland. Their daughter, Mathilda Empress of England, married Geoffrey V, Comte d'Anjou, whose son Henry II married Eleanor of Aquitaine...

Also, regarding skepticism of continuous bloodlines tracing back to antiquity, I'm with you there.  There probably isn't a century in history where a royal lineage wasn't broken by some cuckold.   However it doesn't require that these blood-lines be authentic for them to be meaningful - they just have to be believed by the royal houses themselves. I see it more as a continuum culturally, strengthened by many blood-lines, which don't run in a straight line but yet diverge and reconnect over and over.  Nicholas de Vere claims that his family trace to the Mittani, who lived in the northwest Mesapotamia/northern Levant region almost 3 and a half thousand years ago.  But I'll tell you what, you and I also probably trace back to the Mittani, and the Hittites, and who knows who else, because it doesn't take more than a few dozen generations before everyone is related to everyone else ... except in the case of a ruling elite who only marry amongst themselves.  It's the degree to which there is a continuum, both familial and cultural, that it interests me.

Anyway, thanks again for the Livingstone links.

[uroko]

Check out this vid, hear what this John Van Hove says between 4:30 and 5:30 minutes into it ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6opD9nF ... re=related

I have never heard of Alex Christopher's Pandora's Box - it appears to be out of print.   There's one used copy available at Amazon for 1,200 bucks.   Yes, $1,259.00 dollars!
 :crazy:

[MikeWB]

uroko, have you checked out this article?

http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradf ... schild.htm

Check out the power point slides for a great summary. You should integrate some of that into your v2 of the video.

[MikeWB]

Check out this vid, hear what this John Van Hove says between 4:30 and 5:30 minutes into it ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6opD9nF ... re=related

I have never heard of Alex Christopher's Pandora's Box - it appears to be out of print.   There's one used copy available at Amazon for 1,200 bucks.   Yes, $1,259.00 dollars!
 :crazy:

Here you go:

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4359351/PANDORA_S_BOX_by_Alex_Christopher_(better_OCR_edition)

[VoltaXebec]

Here's the pdf, give it time to load and just save

http://fugaziquo.com/directory/library/ ... _order.pdf

[VoltaXebec]

Something you may want to consider  :lol:

From an interview Alex Christopher has given http://educate-yourself.org/cn/alexchri ... un96.shtml

AC: If Phil is right, and all this hooks up to the deep underground base that he was offered the plans to build back in 1979, and that what this other man told me in private that there is a lot of human slave labor in these deep underground bases being used by these aliens, and that a lot of this slave labor is children. He said that when the children reach the point that they are unable to work any more, they are slaughtered on the spot and consumed.

DA: Consumed by who?

AC: Aliens. Again, this is not from me, but from a man that gave his life to get this information out. He worked down there for close to 20 years, and he knew everything that was going on.

DA: Hmmm. Who do these aliens eat?

AC: They specifically like young human children, that haven't been contaminated like adults. Well, there is a gentleman out giving a lot of information from a source he gets it from, and he says that there is an incredible number of children snatched in this country.

DA: Over 200,000 each year.

AC: And that these children are the main entree for dinner.

DA: How many Draconians are down there?

AC: I have heard the figure of 150,000 just in the New York area.

DA: Underneath New York?

AC: Yes. In some kind of underground base there.

DA: Interesting. Now, you've seen pictures of these things?

AC: I have seen them face to face.

[uroko]

Yeah, after posting that last link I found an interview with A Christopher and heard all about the aliens [sigh].

Thanx MikeWB for the link, thanx very much.  Unfortunately it's a windows doc (I'm on mac), but I'll keep looking and/or finally install some office soft for my mac.  

Cheers