Documentary with a New Paradigm- What has been the Role of the Jews in the NWO? You'll be Surprise !

[Anonymous]

an interesting fact is that sept 16th is the date of the pope/queen summit ............and the date that the Eleusinian Mysteries are celerbrated.

But Lucifer just killed all the old Gods on that TV show supernatural

[Anonymous]

Sorry, the Cult of Sabazios is WAY IMPORTANT.   It was the first Cult to establish the rings-within-rings format that Rhodes adopted. It inspired the architecture of Freemasonry.  It's why the CFR logo shows Sabazios.  Sabazios was the world's first "mystery religion", priests at the center in possession of secret knowlege, an inner circle into which only invited initiates can enter and learn the secrets.  That is the model with which our elite rule the world, and it started with the Cult of Sabazios - that's why the CFR logo displays the same.   Look at his (the naked CFR guy's) hand - thumb and 1st two fingers outstretched, last two fingers retracted.  That's the hand of Sabazios - many bronze examples have been dug up - some in Ugarit!!  

No, sorry, the cult of Sabazios it central.  Yeah, the Romans tried to ignore it, they eventually permitted it, but they are NOT central to the history of the current elite.   The CURRENT ruling elite are not descended from Romans - nor Greeks (most of them) ... they are descended from Trojans.

first off read the founding of rome by livy

Sabazios -----> look at the rape story - esoteric

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rape_o ... bine_Women

this is all made up stuff

but anyway

all created 1500 hundreds

[uroko]

Er, I just finished apologizing for stating mistakenly that the Cult of Sabazios was the first mystery religion.  

Regarding the rape of the Sabines, yes it's all made up - but assumedly not without basis.  Not that the proto-Romans literally took Sabina wives, but that the myth signified the lands of the Sabines coming under Roman control.  That's how I read it at least.

And who were the Sabines? Observe the similarity of terms - Saba, Saboe, Sabine.  The Sabines lived in Italy in the regions of Lazio and Abruzzo. John of 'Tracing Ladon Gog' believes that the Brusse family line originated in Abruzzo.   Lazio is a dragon term ... I've heard the dragon which Jason (of the Golden Fleece) slayed and whose teeth he planted in the ground (very similar to the story of Cadmus slaying the Ares dragon and planting its teeth) referred to as the Laz dragon, assumedly because Colchis (modern Georgia) was once called Lazs or Lazica.  So there's a definite connection between Lazio of Italy and Lazica of the Caucasus, and Lazica/Cochis is where the Corybantes lived.  

The Corybantes are noted as being one of the peoples who introduced Cybele worship to the area and are represented in Greek Myth as two soldiers who bang their shields to drown out the cries of the infant Zeus so his father (Chronus) won't eat him.  This banging of shields is analogous to the noisy percussion accompaniment to the wild drunken (Dionysian inspired) orgies/sacrifice rites of the cult.  The Halybes/Chalybes who were known for their expertise in metalurgy and weapon making lived in Cohchis/Lazica too.  They can be connected to Devon/Cornwall, and their fame as weapon makers has to be why King Arthur's sword is called ExCalibur, Ex for the Exe river, and Calibur for Chalybe/Halybe.   I found the name Chalybonitas on a 19th century map in an interesting place -

 

This tells me that the Halybes of Colchis once lived there - smack dab between Mt. Hazzi  (a center of Ba'al worship on the coast - biblical Mt. Zephon) and Subartu.  Subartu evokes Saba terms, which John believes ultimately trace to Sheba, grandson of Abraham.   This seems to me to be the cornerstone of his research, that the Kabbalah/Cybele cults and many of the "dragon" associated tribes (which eventually gave us conquering people like the Vikings and the Huns as well as a plethora of family lines which have been ruling the planet for a thousand years?) trace (theoretically) to Sheba - and hence to Abraham.   This makes them all essentially Hebrew - but not Israelites, who descend (biblically, allegedly) from Isaac, Sheba's uncle.   I'm not saying it's so, I'm saying that this seems to me to be central to what John (Tracing Ladon Gog) has uncovered.  

I was once skeptical of this alleged link between Sheba, Saba, Subartu (and then there's the Hindu goddess Shiva), as well as links between the 'Saba' terms and 'Sam' terms like Samothrace, Samosata and Sames (the name of a couple of Orontid kings).    No more, not since I stumbled on to a chart showing names of the months in Babylonian, Persian and Hebrew dialects:  



Here's another link ... Subartu evokes Sparta.  The Spartans figure in the myth of the Ares dragon, which Cadmus slays.   He plants the teeth of the dragon and from them sprout Spartan soldiers, code that the Spartans were rooted in the "dragon" cultures of Mesopotamia - undoubtedly in Subartu.   John talks about some of this in this chapter:

http://www.tribwatch.com/opis.htm

An excerpt:

One can for other reasons, in any case, suppose that the Cati were named after the non-Philistine Gittites of Gath, that they moved north, not necessarily to mix with, but to create what would become known as the Phoenicians proper (i.e. to become the "Phoenix" of Greek myth). They then passed through Ugaritic Syria into Cilicia (where the Cati proper lived); then founded Thebe (no "s") in the Troy region, where they set up their Kybele/Sabazios cult; then they named Thebes after their Saba/Sheba designation. As they became the Sparti in the process, one must conclude that Sepharvites were the root of the holy-grail line depicted by Leda the Spartan.

Update Spetember 2006 -- My fellow dragon-bone seeker, Lorri G., emailed me a quote from Josephus...which is found similarly in the first book of Machabees (12:20-22), as follows:

"Arius, king of the Spartans, to Onias, the high priest [of Israel], greeting. It is found in writing concerning the Spartans, and the Jews, that they are brethren, and that they are of the stock of Abraham..."
http://www.newadvent.org/bible/1ma012.htm

That is, Spartans and Jews were both of the stock of Abraham. This topic had been previously discussed between Israelite and Spartan rulers, and so note that Arius (300ish BC) didn't say -- i.e. he wasn't taught -- that he was from the same stock as Jacob, or Isaac, or any of the 12 tribes, or Moses, or David. But as Sheba was Abraham's grandson (through Keturah; Genesis 25:3), everyone who claims that Spartans were Israelites should re-examine that claim. Sheba was NOT an Israelite, for Israelites went from Abraham to Isaac to Jacob, not Abraham to Sheba. Thank you Lorri, for this makes me much more confident in proclaiming the Spartans as a Hebrew dragon cult. I know that secret/Zionist societies who pride themselves in being from Israelites will reject this finding. End Update.

[uroko]

In writing I assume I'm getting my point across sometimes, but upon re-reading that maybe I didn't.  To be thorough, what I'm getting at is that Saba/Sheba terms like Subartu, Sabine, Sparta and Sabazios are all linked (not the same, but linked), as are they to 'Sam' terms like Samothrace (an island between Greece and Thrace that was a center of Kybele (Cybele) cult activity:

The Pantheon of Samothrace

The Pantheon of the Great Gods consists of numerous chthonic deities, primarily predating the arrival of Greek colonists on the island in the 7th century BC, and congregating around one central figure - the Great Mother.
The Great Mother, a goddess often depicted on Samothracian coinage as a seated woman, with a lion at her side. Her original secret name was Axiéros. She is associated with the Anatolian Great Mother, the Phrygian Cybele, and the Trojan Mother Goddess of Mount Ida...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samothrace_temple_complex

The link is Great Mother worship.  I find it interesting that the hippopotamus, which was revered in Egypt and linked with the Great Mother for its pregnant appearance, is called Kaba in Japanese.

Also, the land Subartu later became Sophia, the name of the Byzantine version of the 'Great Mother'.   The connections are endless.

[uroko]

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[Wimpy]

Uroko,

No need to concern yourself although I believe John Savage, your polite antagonist, has exited the forum via expulsion.  I do appreciate your research and connecting of the historical dots and find nothing unclear in your presentation.  The epigraphy of root word commonalities is a very valid topic and all such efforts assist in painting a clearer picture of history.  Well, er..., at least I think so.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

An interesting read in regards to this topic:

Jew and Gentile in the Ancient World

http://books.google.com/books?id=uuJasO ... &q&f=false


Also this link is important as well:

The Jewish Diaspora in the Hellenistic Period

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=3624&p=14733&hilit=greek#p14733

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Also a must read:

The first school of thought to create a schism in Christianity was the collection of sects known under the generic name of Gnosticism. In its purer forms Gnosticism aimed at supplementing faith by knowledge of eternal verities and at giving a wider meaning to Christianity by linking it up with earlier faiths. "The belief that the divinity had been manifested in the religious institutions of all nations"103 thus led to the conception of a sort of universal religion containing the divine elements of all.
Gnosticism, however, as the Jewish Encyclopædia points out, "was Jewish in character long before it became Christian."104 M. Matter indicates Syria and Palestine as its cradle and Alexandria as the centre by which it was influenced at the time of its alliance with Christianity. This influence again was predominantly Jewish. Philo and Aristobulus, the leading Jewish philosophers of Alexandria, "wholly attached to the ancient religion of their fathers, both resolved to adorn it with the spoils of other systems and to open to Judaism the way to immense conquests."105 This method of borrowing from other races and religions those ideas useful for their purpose has always been the custom of the Jews. The Cabala, as we have seen, was made up of these heterogeneous elements. And it is here we find the principal progenitor of Gnosticism. The Freemason Ragon gives the clue in the words: "The Cabala is the key of the occult sciences. The Gnostics were born of the Cabalists."106
For the Cabala was much older than the Gnostics. Modern historians who date it merely from the publication of the Zohar by Moses de Leon in the thirteenth century or from the school of Luria in the sixteenth century obscure this most important fact which Jewish savants have always clearly, recognized.107 The Jewish Encyclopædia, whilst denying the certainty of connexion between Gnosticism and the Cabala, nevertheless admits that the investigations of the anti-Cabalist Graetz "must be resumed on a new basis," and it goes on to show that "it was Alexandria of the first century, or earlier, with her strange commingling of Egyptian, Chaldean, Judean, and Greek culture which furnished soil and seeds for that mystic philosophy."108 But since Alexandria was at the same period the home of Gnosticism, which was formed from the same elements enumerated here, the connexion between the two systems is clearly evident. M. Matter is therefore right in saying that Gnosticism was not a defection from Christianity, but a combination of systems into which a few Christian elements were introduced. The result of Gnosticism was thus not to christianize the Cabala, but to cabalize Christianity by mingling its pure and simple teaching with theosophy and even magic. The Jewish Encyclopædia quotes the opinion that "the central doctrine of Gnosticism—a movement closely connected with Jewish mysticism—was nothing else than the attempt to liberate the soul and unite it with God"; but as this was apparently to be effected "through the employment of mysteries, incantations, names of angels," etc., it will be seen how widely even this phase of Gnosticism differs from Christianity and identifies itself with the magical Cabala of the Jews.
Indeed, the man generally recognized as the founder of Gnosticism, a Jew commonly known as Simon Magus, was not only a Cabalist mystic but avowedly a magician, who with a band of Jews, including his master Dositheus and his disciples Menander and Cerinthus, instituted a priesthood of the Mysteries and practised occult arts and exorcisms.109 It was this Simon of whom we read in the Acts of the Apostles that he "bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one: to whom they all gave heed from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God," and who sought to purchase the power of the laying on of hands with money. Simon, indeed, crazed by his incantations and ecstasies, developed megalomania in an acute form, arrogating to himself divine honours and aspiring to the adoration of the whole world. According to a contemporary legend, he eventually became sorcerer to Nero and ended his life in Rome.110


Cubricus or Corbicius, the founder of Manicheism, was born in Babylonia about the year A.D. 216. Whilst still a child he is said to have been bought as a slave by a rich widow of Ctesiphon, who liberated him and on her death left him great wealth. According to another story—for the whole history of Manes rests on legends—he inherited from a rich old woman the books of a Saracen named Scythianus on the wisdom of the Egyptians. Combining the doctrines these books contained with ideas borrowed from Zoroastrianism, Gnosticism, and Christianity, and also with certain additions of his own, he elaborated a philosophic system which he proceeded to teach. Cubricus then changed his name to Mani or Manes and proclaimed himself the Paraclete promised by Jesus Christ. His followers were divided into two classes—the outer circle of hearers or combatants, and the inner circle of teachers or ascetics described as the Elect. As evidence of their resemblance with Freemasons, it has been said that the Manicheans made use of secret signs, grips, and passwords, that owing to the circumstances of their master's adoption they called Manes "the son of the widow" and themselves "the children of the widow," but this is not clearly proved. One of their customs is, however, interesting in this connexion. According to legend, Manes undertook to cure the son of the King of Persia who had fallen ill, but the prince died, whereupon Manes was flayed alive by order of the king and his corpse hanged up at the city gate. Every year after this, on Good Friday, the Manicheans carried out a mourning ceremony known as the Bema around the catafalque of Manes, whose real sufferings they were wont to contrast with the unreal sufferings of Christ.
The fundamental doctrine of Manicheism is Dualism—that is to say, the existence of two opposing principles in the world, light and darkness, good and evil—founded, however, not on the Christian conception of this idea, but on the Zoroastrian conception of Ormuzd and Ahriman, and so perverted and mingled with Cabalistic superstitions that it met with as vehement denunciation by Persian priests as by Christian Fathers. Thus, according to the doctrine of Manes, all matter is absolute evil, the principle of evil is eternal, humanity itself is of Satanic origin, and the first human beings, Adam and Eve, are represented as the offspring of devils.124 Much the same idea may be found in the Jewish Cabala, where it is said that Adam, after other abominable practices, cohabited with female devils whilst Eve consoled herself with male devils, so that whole races of demons were born into the world. Eve is also accused of cohabiting with the Serpent.125 In the Yalkut Shimoni it is also related that during the 130 years that Adam lived apart from Eve, "he begat a generation of devils, spirits, and hobgoblins."126 Manichean demonology thus paved the way for the placation of the powers of darkness practised by the Euchites at the end of the fourth century and later by the Paulicians, the Bogomils, and the Luciferians.
So it is in Gnosticism and Manicheism that we find evidence of the first attempts to pervert Christianity.

http://iamthewitness.com/books/Nesta.H. ... s.htm#ch01

Words of Antipa, heir of one of the Nine Founders: "The temples of Rome and of Achaea recorded indelible honor for our Association. We owe them on immense favor. For they have won innumerable pagans, no less than those the impostors won with their magic force. Those two temples surpassed this temple of ours(38) when they killed Peter and his brother, Andrew, deserving to perpetuate their memory in the pages of time. The dangerousness of those two preachers was noteworthy in their marvelous sermons, in their power of attraction and in their indescribable eloquence, in such a way that if it were not for the battle of those two temples thousands of our nation would have been converted to the Impostor's religion. The two great temples must be glorified by every mysterious one, just as Hiram himself. May God protect them! They crucified Peter and Andrew just as the Impostor was crucified. They frightened the people and paralyzed the movement of Jesus' (followers) for a long time. We must follow the effective plan of those two temples to attain our goal, that is, the life of the Jewish religion; and woe to us if we fall back, for our works will be lost without our achieving our purpose.


"For that reason I suggest the distribution of a general publication among all the temples, applauding the work of the temples of Rome and of Achaea, ordering all the mysterious ones to take them as an example. And in order to immortalize their memory we will make the day, November 30 of each year, the day of those two temples, celebrating it with all joy for its having been the day on which Andrew the Impostor was crucified."


Antipa's proposal was approved. The publication was written and distributed. The day decreed for the Temple of Achaea was recorded for their having killed Andrew, this death being the fruit of the battle of that temple.(39)
CHAPTER TWENTY-THREE

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Aaron Abiud, one of the heirs of this manuscript, said: "After the destruction of Jerusalem and our dispersal, we installed our new temple 'Jerusalem' in an unknown place where we remained for several years, our heirs as well, issuing orders without anyone's knowing of our location, not even the affiliate temples themselves. Thus must those 'Who succeed us proceed. They must not announce the place of their see except in case at an urgent necessity as, for example, on receiving energetic protests on behalf, of the presidents of the affiliate temples or in case of revolt against the central orders on the part of the mysterious ones."
CHAPTER TWENTY-SIX

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The Foundation of Temples in Europe, after the Temple of Rome

Abdon Adoniram said: Our ancestors neglected to mention the name of the founder of the Temple of Rome, but now we will see in the next chapter that he was a descendant of Hiram Abiud. That temple achieved great triumphs that fortified the Association to such a degree that it incited the nine heirs to establish other temples in other kingdoms.
http://heygeorge5.tripod.com/id9.html

What and where was the Temple in Rome?

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Rome's Jews are Europe's longest surviving Jewish community and occupy a unique place in the history of the Diaspora. Jews have been living in Rome, as well as in other Mediterranean cities, since the 3rd century BCE. Their homeland was overcrowded, and troubled with foreign occupations. As a result, Jews migrated to the other Mediterranean towns, where they formed communities.

The first recorded presence of Jews in Rome is of Maccabees embassadors seeking an alliance with the Roman Senate against the Syrian Greeks who desecrated Jerusalem's Temple. Because of the growing importance and prosperity of Rome, in time the Jewish population increased.

As opposed to the situation resulting from the Roman occupation of Judea, in Rome the Jews were generally tolerated, especially by the rulers. Julius Caesar was known to be their friend.

Following emperor Titus' occupation of Judea and the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem in 70 CE, the Jews were dispersed in the Roman empire. A part were enslaved as miners in Spain, a part were sold as slaves, and ransomed by the Roman Jews. Titus returned triumphant to Rome with the war booty, which funded the construction of the Coliseum.
http://www.romanhomes.com/your_roman...sh-quarter.htm

Also from the above link....

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The anti-Semitic Pope Paul IV in 1555 issued the infamous bull Cum Nimis Absurdum, taking its name from its first words "Since it is absurd" (...and utterly inconvenient that the Jews, who through their own fault were condemned by God to eternal slavery..."). Under the accusation of having exploited the generosity and hospitality of the Christians, the bull practically reduced the Jews to slavery...

The walls of the Ghetto (a word Venetian in origin) were built, separating the Jews from the rest of the society. They lost any property right (they had to rent at high prices even their homes of the ghetto from Christians). They were only allowed to trade second hand objects, and they could not have Christian personnel. Jewish medical doctors could not cure Christians, even if implored to do so. Outside the ghetto, they had to wear the "Jewish sign", to be easily recognized: men had to wear a yellow patch on hats, women wore a yellow kerchief (the sign of prostitutes). They could only live in a few towns of the Papal kingdom, and only one synagogue was allowed in each town.
The above bold may have been in response to

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In 1492, Chemor, chief Rabbi of Spain, wrote to the Grand Sanhedrin, which had its seat in Constantinople, for advice, when a Spanish law threatened expulsion.2 This was the reply:

" Beloved brethren in Moses, we have received your letter in which you tell us of the anxieties and misfortunes which you are enduring. We are pierced by as great pain to hear it as yourselves.

The advice of the Grand Satraps and Rabbis is the following:

1. As for what you say that the King of Spain 3 obliges you to become Christians: do it, since you cannot do otherwise.

2. As for what you say about the command to despoil you of your property: make your sons merchants that they may despoil, little by little, the Christians of theirs.

3. As for what you say about making attempts on your lives: make your sons doctors and apothecaries, that they may take away Christians' lives.

4. As for what you say of their destroying your syna gogues: make your sons canons and clerics in order that they may destroy their churches.

5. As for the many other vexations you complain of: arrange that your sons become advocates and lawyers, and see that they always mix in affairs of State, that by putting Christians under your yoke you may dominate the world and be avenged on them.

6. Do not swerve from this order that we give you, because you will find by experience that, humiliated as you are, you will reach the actuality of power.

(Signed) PRINCE OF THE JEWS OF CONSTANTINOPLE."

http://crashrecovery.org/Waters/part_2.htm

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Keep in mind the history of the Cabala:

Is the Cabala, then, as Gougenot des Mousseaux asserts, older than the Jewish race, a legacy handed down from the first patriarchs of the world?37 We must admit this hypothesis to be incapable of proof, yet it is one that has found so much favour with students of occult traditions that it cannot be ignored. The Jewish Cabala itself supports it by tracing its descent from the patriarchs—Adam, Noah, Enoch, and Abraham—who lived before the Jews as a separate race came into existence. Eliphas Lévi accepts this genealogy, and relates that "the Holy Cabala" was the tradition of the children of Seth carried out of Chaldea by Abraham, who was "the inheritor of the secrets of Enoch and the father of initiation in Israel."38

According to this theory, which we find again propounded by the American Freemason, Dr. Mackey,39 there was, besides the divine Cabala of the children of Seth, the magical Cabala of the children of Cain, which descended to the Sabeists, or star-worshippers, of Chaldea, adepts in astrology and necromancy. Sorcery, as we know, had been practised by the Canaanites before the occupation of Palestine by the Israelites; Egypt India, and Greece also had their soothsayers and diviners. In spite of the imprecations against sorcery contained in the law of Moses, the Jews, disregarding these warnings, caught the contagion and mingled the sacred tradition they had inherited with magical ideas partly borrowed from other races and partly of their own devising. At the same time the speculative side of the Jewish Cabala borrowed from the philosophy of the Persian Magi, of the Neo-Platonists,40 and of the Neo-Pythagoreans. There is, then, some justification for the anti-Cabalists' contention that what we know to-day as the Cabala is not of purely Jewish origin.

Gougenot des Mousseaux, who had made a profound study of occultism, asserts that there were therefore two Cabalas: the ancient sacred tradition handed down from the first patriarchs of the human race; and the evil Cabala, wherein this sacred tradition was mingled by the Rabbis with barbaric superstitions, combined with their own imaginings and henceforth marked with their seal.41 This view also finds expression in the remarkable work of the converted Jew Drach, who refers to—

    The ancient and true Cabala, which ... we distinguish from the modern Cabala, false, condemnable, and condemned by the Holy See, the work of the Rabbis, who have also falsified and perverted the Talmudic tradition. The doctors of the Synagogue trace it back to Moses, whilst at the same time admitting that the principal truths it contains were those known by revelation to the first patriarchs of the world.42

Further on Drach quotes the statement of Sixtus of Sienna, another converted Jew and a Dominican, protected by Pius V:

    Since by the decree of the Holy Roman Inquisition all books appertaining to the Cabala have lately been condemned, one must know that the Cabala is double; that one is true, the other false. The true and pious one is that which ... elucidates the secret mysteries of the holy law according to the principle of anagogy (i.e. figurative interpretation). This Cabala therefore the Church has never condemned. The false and impious Cabala is a certain mendacious kind of Jewish tradition, full of innumerable vanities and falsehoods, differing but little from necromancy. This kind of superstition, therefore, improperly called Cabala, the Church within the last few years has deservedly condemned.43

The modern Jewish Cabala presents a dual aspect—theoretical and practical; the former concerned with theosophical speculations, the latter with magical practices. It would be impossible here to give an idea of Cabalistic theosophy with its extraordinary imaginings on the Sephiroths, the attributes and functions of good and bad angels, dissertations on the nature of demons, and minute details on the appearance of God under the name of the Ancient of Ancients, from whose head 400,000 worlds receive the light. "The length of this face from the top of the head is three hundred and seventy times ten thousand worlds. It is called the 'Long Face,' for such is the name of the Ancient of Ancients."44 The description of the hair and beard alone belonging to this gigantic countenance occupies a large place in the Zoharic treatise, Idra Raba.45

According to the Cabala, every letter in the Scriptures contains a mystery only to be solved by the initiated.46 By means of this system of interpretation passages of the Old Testament are shown to bear meanings totally unapparent to the ordinary reader. Thus the Zohar explains that Noah was lamed for life by the bite of a lion whilst he was in the ark,47 the adventures of Jonah inside the whale are related with an extraordinary wealth of imagination,48 whilst the beautiful story of Elisha and the Shunnamite woman is travestied in the most grotesque manner.49

In the practical Cabala this method of "decoding" is reduced to a theurgic or magical system in which the healing of diseases plays an important part and is effected by means of the mystical arrangement of numbers and letters, by the pronunciation of the Ineffable Name, by the use of amulets and talismans, or by compounds supposed to contain certain occult properties.

All these ideas derived from very ancient cults; even the art of working miracles by the use of the Divine Name, which after the appropriation of the Cabala by the Jews became the particular practice of Jewish miracle-workers, appears to have originated in Chaldea.50 Nor can the insistence on the Chosen People theory, which forms the basis of all Talmudic and Cabalistic writings, be regarded as of purely Jewish origin; the ancient Egyptians likewise believed themselves to be "the peculiar people specially loved by the gods."51 But in the hands of the Jews this belief became a pretension to the exclusive enjoyment of divine favour. According to the Zohar, "all Israelites will have a part in the future world,"52 and on arrival there will not be handed over like the goyim (or non-Jewish races) to the hands of the angel Douma and sent down to Hell.53 Indeed the goyim are even denied human attributes. Thus the Zohar again explains that the words of the Scripture "Jehovah Elohim made man" mean that He made Israel.54 The seventeenth-century Rabbinical treatise Emek ha Melek observes: "Our Rabbis of blessed memory have said: 'Ye Jews are men because of the soul ye have from the Supreme Man (i.e. God). But the nations of the world are not styled men because they have not, from the Holy and Supreme Man, the Neschama (or glorious soul), but they have the Nephesch (soul) from Adam Belial, that is the malicious and unnecessary man, called Sammael, the Supreme Devil.'"55

In conformity with this exclusive attitude towards the rest of the human race, the Messianic idea which forms the dominating theme of the Cabala is made to serve purely Jewish interests. Yet in its origins this idea was possibly not Jewish. It is said by believers in an ancient secret tradition common to other races besides the Jews, that a part of this tradition related to a past Golden Age when man was free from care and evil non-existent, to the subsequent fall of Man and the loss of this primitive felicity, and finally to a revelation received from Heaven foretelling the reparation of this loss and the coming of a Redeemer who should save the world and restore the Golden Age. According to Drach:

    The tradition of a Man-God who should present Himself as the teacher and liberator of the fallen human race was constantly taught amongst all the enlightened nations of the globe. Vetus et constans opinio, as Suetonius says. It is of all times and of all places.56

And Drach goes on to quote the evidence of Volney, who had travelled in the East and declared that—

    The sacred and mythological traditions of earlier times had spread throughout all Asia the belief in a great Mediator who was to come, of a future Saviour, King, God, Conqueror, and Legislator who would bring back the Golden Age to earth and deliver men from the empire of evil.57

All that can be said with any degree of certainty with regard to this belief is that it did exist amongst the Zoroastrians of Persia as well as amongst the Jews. D'Herbelot, quoting Abulfaraj, shows that five hundred years before Christ, Zerdascht, the leader of the Zoroastrians, predicted the coming of the Messiah, at whose birth a star would appear. He also told his disciples that the Messiah would be born of a virgin, that they would be the first to hear of Him, and that they should bring Him gifts.58

Drach believes that this tradition was taught in the ancient synagogue,59 thus explaining the words of St. Paul that unto the Jews "were committed the oracles of God"60:

    This oral doctrine, which is the Cabala, had for its object the most sublime truths of the Faith which it brought back incessantly to the promised Redeemer, the foundation of the whole system of the ancient tradition.61

Drach further asserts that the doctrine of the Trinity formed a part of this tradition:

    Whoever has familiarized himself with that which was taught by the ancient doctors of the Synagogue, particularly those who lived before the coming of the Saviour, knows that the Trinity in one God was a truth admitted amongst them from the earliest times.62

M. Vulliaud points out that Graetz admits the existence of this idea in the Zohar: "It even taught certain doctrines which appeared favourable to the Christian dogma of the Trinity!" And again: "It is incontestable that the Zohar makes allusions to the beliefs in the Trinity and the Incarnation."63 M. Vulliaud adds: "The idea of the Trinity must therefore play an important part in the Cabala, since it has been possible to affirm that 'the characteristic of the Zohar and its particular conception is its attachment to the principle of the Trinity,'"64 and further quotes Edersheim as saying that "a great part of the explanation given in the writings of the Cabalists resembles in a surprising manner the highest truths of Christianity."65 It would appear, then, that certain remnants of the ancient secret tradition lingered on in the Cabala. The Jewish Encyclopædia, perhaps unintentionally, endorses this opinion, since in deriding the sixteenth-century Christian Cabalists for asserting that the Cabala contained traces of Christianity, it goes on to say that what appears to be Christian in the Cabala is only ancient esoteric doctrine.66 Here, then, we have it on the authority of modern Jewish scholars that the ancient secret tradition was in harmony with Christian teaching. But in the teaching of the later synagogue the philosophy of the earlier sages was narrowed down to suit the exclusive system of the Jewish hierarchy, and the ancient hope of a Redeemer who should restore Man to the state of felicity he had lost at the Fall was transformed into the idea of salvation for the Jews alone67 under the ægis of a triumphant and even an avenging Messiah.68 It is this Messianic dream perpetuated in the modern Cabala which nineteen hundred years ago the advent of Christ on earth came to disturb.

http://iamthewitness.com/books/Nesta.H. ... s.htm#ch01

[uroko]

Great stuff - I had never heard of Nesta Webster.   :up:

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Great stuff - I had never heard of Nesta Webster.   :up:

Yes, Nesta Webster is great, she wrote several books.



Books

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=Nesta+Webster+pdf&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=581c98b851fa30a2



The Chevalier De Boufflers. A Romance of the French Revolution, London, John Murray, 1910. Reprints: 1916 ; 1920 ; 1924 ; 1925 ; E.P. Dutton & Co., New York, 1926.

Britain's Call to Arms: an appeal to our women, London, Hugh Rees, 1914.

The Sheep Track. An aspect of London society, London, John Murray, 1914.

The French terror and Russian bolshevism, London, Boswell Printing & Publbishing Co., 1920 [?]. OCLC: 22692582

World revolution. The plot against civilization, London, Constable & Co., 1921. Reptints: Constable, 1922 ; Chawleigh, The Britons Publishing Co., 1971 ; Sudbury, Bloomfield Books, [1990?].

The Past History of the World Revolution. A lecture, Woolwich, Royal Artillery Institution, 1921.
with Kurt Kerlen, Boche and Bolshevik, being a series of articles from the Morning post of London, reprinted for distribution in the United States, New York, Beckwith, 1923. Reprint: Sudbury, Bloomfield Books, [1990?]. ISBN 1-4179-7949-6

Secret societies and Subversive Movements, London, Boswell Printing & Publishing Co. London, 1924. Reprints: Boswell, 1928 and 1936 ; London, The Britons Publishing Co., London, 1955 and 1964 ; Palmdale, Christian Book Club of America and Sudbury and Sudbury, Bloomfield Books, 198[?] ; Kessinger Publishing, 2003. ISBN 0-7661-3066-5

The Socialist network, London, Boswell Printing & Publishing Co., 1926. Reprint: Boswell, 1933 ; Sudbury, Bloomfield, [1989?] ; Noontide Press, 2000. ISBN 0-913022-06-3

The Surrender of an Empire, London, Boswell Printing & Publishing Co., 1931. Reprint: Sudbury, Bloomfield Books, [1990?].

The Origin and Progress of the World Revolution, London, Boswell Printing & Publishing Co., [1932].

(with the pseudonym of Julian Sterne), The Secret of the Zodiac, London, Boswell Printing & Publishing Co., 1933.
Germany and England, (reprinted from The Patriot and revised), London, Boswell Publishing Co., [1938].

Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette before the Revolution, London, Constable & Co., 1936. Reprint: Constable, 1937 ; G.P. Putnam's sons, 1937.
Spacious days: an autobiography, London, Hutchinson, 1949 and 1950.

Crowded Hours: part two of her autobiography, manuscript stolen from the Britons library in the early 1970s by an unknown American visitor. It has never been recovered and remains unpublished.

Marie-Antoinette intime, Paris, La Table ronde, 1981 (French translation). ISBN 2-7103-0061-3

The Revolution of 1848, [ed. and date unknown]. ISBN 1-4253-7315-1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nesta_Helen_Webster

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[uroko]

Uroko,

No need to concern yourself although I believe John Savage, your polite antagonist, has exited the forum via expulsion.  I do appreciate your research and connecting of the historical dots and find nothing unclear in your presentation.  The epigraphy of root word commonalities is a very valid topic and all such efforts assist in painting a clearer picture of history.  Well, er..., at least I think so.

Thanx Wimpy.   I have run across the allegation on a couple of occasions that the words 'scale', 'skull' and 'scallop' all derive from the same original root.   I'm not a linquist, and contemporary explanations for the roots of words are frequently shallow or incorrect.  I have no trouble believing the connection between scale and skull, nor 'skoal', a Norse drinking cheer (connected with the ancient custom of drinking from the skulls of fallen foes).   But I would sure love to find some confirmation regarding the 'scallop' connection. Scallop shells are found (in threes) frequently on the crests of elite families, princess Diana's crest has them, and one of the initial investors of the Shell Oil company was descended from a family whose crest did as well.  John of Ladon Gog hasn't stumbled onto the skull/scale/scallop connection, so no help there.

[uroko]

Part 11:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzYHgGqlg5Y

[Wimpy]

Very informative and topped with professional graphics.  Well done Uroko!

[uroko]

Thanx.   If I could just find someone to do the narration for me (I hate doing it, I suck at it) ...

Part 12 addresses bigger questions - and is already written.  

Cheers.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

This might be of interest.  Remember that the Dulles brothers helped set up the CFR and sat on it as well... he was also a Kuhn & Loeb employee and associate.  Your story is good but the truth is much more complicated.

Pages 153 through 164 are must reads to see the Scheming JEWS and their Puppets, on both the Right and the Left, as active players behind the Rothschild-Jewish World Wars.... remember that Dulles at Sullivan and Cromwell had arranged 1/3 of the German Foreign Bond purchases. When these bonds defaulted, the result helped create the US Great Depression.  

Allen Dulles: Master of Spies
 By James Srodes
http://books.google.com/books?id=RIaw7G ... &lpg=PA153

HITLER WAS A ROTHSCHILD!! (I don't think he was but like many of the "dictators" of S. America in the 1940s-80s... he was set up --The CSR )

The Second World War was incredibly productive for the Illuminati agenda of global control. It led to an explosion of lobally-centralized institutions, like the United Nations and the European ommunity, now Union, and many others in finance, business, and the military. recisely what they wanted. It also put countries under an enormous burden of ebt on loans provided to all sides by...the Rothschilds and the Illuminati.

The Rothschilds had long had a plan to create a personal fiefdom for themselves and the Illuminati in Palestine and that plan involved anipulating Jewish people to settle the area as their "homeland." Charles Taze Russell, of the Illuminati-reptilian Russell bloodline, was the man who ounded the Watchtower Society, better known as the Jehovah's Witnesses. He as a Satanist, a pedophile according to his wife, and most certainly Illuminati. His new "religion (mind-control cult) was funded by the Rothschilds and he was a friend of theirs, just like the founders of the Mormons who were also Rothschild-funded through Kuhn, Loeb, and Co. Russell and the Mormon founders were all Freemasons. In 1880, Charles Taze Russell, this friend of the Rothschilds, predicted that the Jews would return to their homeland. It was about the only prediction Russell ever got right. Why? Because he knew that was the plan. He wrote to the Rothschilds praising their efforts to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine.

Then, in 1917, came the famous Balfour Declaration, when the British Foreign Minister, Lord Balfour, stated on behalf of his government that they supported the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Now when you hear that phrase, the Balfour Declaration, you get the feeling that it was some kind of statement or public announcement. But not so.

The Balfour declaration was a letter from Lord Balfour to Lord Lionel Walter Rothschild. Researchers say that the letter was in fact WRITTEN by Lord Rothschild and his employee, the banker, Alfred Milner. Now get this. One of the most important secret societies of the 20th century is called the Round Table. It is based in Britain with branches across the world. It is the Round Table that ultimately orchestrates the network of the Bilderberg Group, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission and the Royal Institute of International Affairs. See my books for details. How ascinating then, that Lord Balfour was an inner circle member of the Round able, Alfred Milner was the Round Table's official leader after the death of ecil Rhodes, and the Round Table was funded by..Lord Lionel Walter othschild. These were the very three people involved in the Balfour eclaration of 1917.

Two years later, in 1919, came the Versailles Peace Conference near Paris when the elite of the Round Table from Britain and the United States, people like Alfred Milner, Edward Mandel House, and Bernard Baruch, were appointed to represent their countries at the meetings which decided how the world would be changed as a result of the war these same people had created. They decided to impose impossible reparations payments on Germany, so ensuring the collapse of the post-war Weimar Republic amid unbelievable economic collapse and thus create the very circumstances that brought the Rothschild, Hitler, to power. It was while in Paris that these Illuminati, Round Table, members met at the Hotel Majestic to begin the process of creating the Bilderberg-CFR-RIIA-Trilateral Commission network. They also decided at Versailles that they now all supported the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine. As I show in my books, EVERY ONE of them was either a Rothschild bloodline or was controlled by them.

The American President, Woodrow Wilson, was "advised" at Versailles by Colonel House and Bernard Baruch, both Rothschild clones and leaders of the Round Table in the United States; The British Prime Minister, Lloyd George, was "advised" by Alfred Milner, Rothschild employee and Round Table leader, and Sir Phillip Sassoon, a direct decendent of Mayer Amschel Rothschild, the founder of the dynasty; The French leader, Georges Clemenceau, was "advised" by his Minister for the Interior, Georges Mandel, whose real name was Jeroboam Rothschild.

Who do you think was making the decisions here??

But it went further. Also in the American delegation were the Dulles brothers, ohn Foster Dulles, who would become US Secretary of State, and Allen Dulles, ho would become first head of the new CIA after World War Two. The Dulles rothers were bloodline, would later be supporters of Hitler, and were employed by the Rothschilds at Kuhn, Loeb, and Co. They were also involved in the assassination of John F. Kennedy and Allen Dulles would serve on the Warren Commission which investigated the assassination. The American delegation at Versailles was also represented by the Rothschild-controlled, Paul Warburg, of Kuhn, Loeb and the American branch of I.G. Farben, while the German delegation included his brother, Max Warburg, who would become Hitler's anker!! Their host in France during the "peace" conference was Baron Edmond de Rothschild, the leading force at the time pressing for the creation of a Jewish homeland in Israel. See my books for fine detail.

The Rothschilds have always been the true force behind the Zionist Movement. ionism is in fact SIONism, Sion = the Sun, hence the name of the elite secret ociety behind the Merovingian bloodline, the Priory of Sion. Contrary to most people's understanding, Zionism is not the Jewish people. Many Jews are not Zionists and many non-Jews are. Zionism is a political movement, not a race. To say Zionism is the Jewish people is like saying the Democratic Party is the American people. Jewish people who oppose Zionism, however, have been given a very hard time.

Now, having manipulated their puppet-governments to support their plan for a personal fiefdom in the Middle East, the Rothschilds began the process of settling Jewish people in Palestine. As always they treated their own people with contempt. Enter Baron Edmond de Rothschild, the "Father of Israel", who died in 1934, the man who hosted the Versailles "peace" delegations. Edmond was from the French House, like Guy de Rothschild. Edmond, in fact, began to settle Jews in Palestine as far back as the 1880s (when Charles Taze Russell was making his prediction). He financed Russian Jews to establish settlements in Palestine, but it was nothing to do with their freedom or birthright, it was to advance the Rothschild-Illuminati genda. Edmond financed the creation of farms and factories and ran the whole peration with a rod of iron. The Jewish farmers were told what to grow and they soon found out who was in charge if they questioned his orders. In 1901, hese Jewish people complained to Rothschild about this dictatorship over heir settlement or "Yishuv". They asked him:

"..if you wish to save the Yishuv, first take your hands from it, and for once permit the colonists to have the possibility of correcting for themselves whatever needs correcting.."

Baron Rothschild replied:

"I created the Yishuv, I alone. Therefore no men, neither colonists nor organizations, have the right to interfere in my plans.."

In one sentence, you have the true attitude of the Rothschilds to Jewish people, and indeed, the human population in general. These people are NOT Jews, they are a non-human bloodline with a reptilian genetic code who hide behind the Jewish people and use them as a screen and a means to an end. According to Simon Schama's book, Two Rothschilds and the Land of Israel (Collins, London, 1978), the Rothschilds acquired 80% of the land of Israel.

Edmond de Rothschild worked closely with Theodore Herzl, who just happened to be the founder of Zionism, the political movement created to ensure a "Jewish" homeland in Palestine. othschild was also the power behind Chaim Weizmann, another leader of ionism. As Rothschild told Weizmann:

"Without me Zionism would not have succeeded, but without Zionism my work would have been stuck to death."

So now with the Rothschilds increasing their financing of Jewish settlements in Palestine, and with their agents in governments officially supporting their plans for a Rothschild, sorry Jewish, homeland, they needed a catalyst which would demolish Arab protests at the take-over of their country. That catalyst was the horrific treatment of Jews in Germany and the countries they conquered by the Rothschild-funded Nazis and one of their own, a Rothschild called Adolf Hitler.

The wave of revulsion at the Nazi oncentration camps gave vital and, in the end, crucial impetus to the othschild agenda. It was they who funded the Jewish terrorist operations like the Stern Gang and Irgun, which committed mayhem and murder to bring the State of Rothschild (Israel) into being in 1948. These terrorist groups, who slaughtered Jewish people with equal enthusiasm, were led by the very people who later rose to lead the new Israel people like Menachem Begin, David Ben-Gurion, Yitzhak Rabin, and Yitzhak Shamir. It was these othschild-controlled Zionist gangs who murdered the international mediator ount Bernadotte on September 17, 1948, apparently because he had been ntending to present a new partition resolution to the United Nations.

And the Rothschilds were not satisfied with causing the unimaginable suffering of Jewish people under the Nazis, they also stole their wealth when the war was over, just as they stole the Russian ealth during the revolution they had financed.

In early 1998, during a speaking tour of South Africa, I had a personal meeting with P.W. Botha, the apartheid President of South Africa during the 1980s. The invitation came out of the blue when I was speaking a few miles from his home. We spoke for an hour and a half about the manipulation of South Africa and it was not long before names like Henry Kissinger, Lord Carrington, and the Rothschilds came up.

"I had some strange dealings with the English Rothschilds in Cape Town when I was president", he said, and he went on to tell me a story that sums up the Rothschilds so perfectly. He said they had asked for a meeting with him and his foreign minister, the Illuminati operative, Pik Botha (no relation). At that meeting, he said, the Rothschilds told him there was massive wealth in Swiss bank accounts which once belonged to German Jews and it was available for investment in South Africa if they could agree an interest rate. This is the very wealth, stolen from German Jews who suffered under the Nazis, which has come to light amid great scandal in recent years. The Rothschilds have been making a fortune from it since the war!! Botha told me he refused to accept the money, but Pik Botha left the meeting with the Rothschilds and he could not be sure that they did not come to some rrangement.

Breathtaking? Of course it is, but the world is not how we think it is.

To this day the Rothschilds continue to control the State that has their family symbol on it's flag and it is they who use that country and its people to maintain the conflict, both within its borders and with surrounding Arab countries, which has allowed the lluminati-Rothschilds to control their so called "Arc of Crisis" in the Middle East through divide, rule, and conquer. It has allowed them, not least, to control the oil-producing countries since the war when the oil really came on line.

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Welch Allen Dulles was born April 7, 1893 in Waterloo, New York in a very wealthy family. Allen captivated the stories his grandfather - John Foster, who fought, was promoted to general, was ambassador to Mexico, Spain and Russia, and even headed the State Department, successfully combining diplomacy with the intelligence.

In 1914, after graduating from Princeton University, this playboy went to conquer the world - he visited India, China and, presumably, fancied himself a second Lawrence (the legendary British spy). A year later, Dulles returned home, telling everyone about personal acquaintance with Chiang Kai-Shek. For the patronage of relatives, Allen Dulles, was adopted at the diplomatic service. But go to the East is as a diplomat for some reason he refused, preferring to Europe. During his diplomatic career, first in Vienna and then in Bern, Switzerland.

In December 1918, Dulles participated in the American commission for the peace talks in Paris. In 1919 he was in Berlin, and then was transferred to the State Department, where in 1922-26, he led the administration's Middle East policy.

In the life of Allen Dulles was another side to it is not reported, although the 'narrow circle' of her well-known. Through its membership in the American establishment Dulles played an important role in the 'Council on Foreign Relations' (QS). Even with the 1920 Council of the collective efforts of its members - is the largest financiers and industrialists, . policy, . captains, . owners of the media - produces a strategy for the U.S. on the world stage, . having the final fitting on the construction of global management of the planet from the American metropolis,
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Today, the QS is one of the three major shadow of supranational institutions - in addition to Bilderberg and the Trilateral Commission. It arose in New York in 1921 as a branch of 'Carnegie Endowment for universal peace'. Known, . that the origins of the Council were also members of certain esoteric 'the Company' round table ', . converted in 1919 in Paris at the Institute of International Relations, with offices in France, . Britain and the U.S., . - U.S. Department and became the organizational base of QS, . which during the Cold War was a major think tank in the formulation of American strategy against the USSR and the 'socialist camp'.,

. Since 1927, Allen Dulles served in the position of the QS one of the directors, from 1933 to 1944 was secretary of the Board, and from 1945 to 1950 - its President
. Later, heading the CIA, he still remained one of the directors of the QS.

In 1920-1930-ies Dulles played a significant role in the Nazis came to power in Germany. A small excerpt from a study by John Loftus and Mark Aaronsa 'secret war against the Jews':

. 'The Nazis could remain a small political party, and Germany - the weak, defenseless state, in need of funds, if not powerful foreign capital investments
. Our sources connected with the intelligence, believe that a truly major event of this period was the alliance between American oil companies and Saudi Arabia. This event has become a fundamental prerequisite for a future war and catastrophe, arranged by the Nazis.

In historical works do not even mention the secret cooperation of Ibn Saud, Jack Philby and Dulles. They were the secret source of oil, capital and international influence, acting behind the scenes and who brought Hitler to the world stage. These people, supplying oil to the Nazi war machine in the 1930's, were the same people who robbed the Jews of last resort to escape to Palestine. Our sources claim that these partners in the oil deals were thorough scoundrel, carrying a large share of responsibility for the catastrophe, but manage to escape the burden of history '.

. Jack Philby - the father of Kim Philby, the talented Soviet intelligence
. Believed, . that he was 'recruited' Allen Dulles 'back in 1920 as an' agent of influence "on U.S. policy to prevent the support of official Washington's idea of a Jewish national home, . and then brought the project to the Saudi oil sales,
. In those years, Dulles was often in Europe. He had met with Mussolini, and Germany's newly elected Chancellor Adolph Hitler. It was not just about geopolitics, but also about big money - his brother John Foster was the director of the notorious German concern 'IG. Farben ', which owned stakes in some U.S. oil companies, and the Allen headed the board of directors of a major German bank.

. After the Second World War, Dulles was appointed to head the secret service in Europe
. Since November 1942, he carried out in Switzerland in constant contact with various groups of the German resistance.

Dulles number of diplomats, but all persons concerned knew that he was head of American intelligence in Europe. However, this did not prevent Allen to make progress. His most valuable acquisition - Officer germanskogo Foreign Fritz Kolbe, who himself came to Bern to offer their services. British resident waved his hand and thought: a provocation. And Dulles believed, and had to spring 1944 received from Kolbe over thousands of secret documents. Including data on developments Germanic scholars atomic weapons and missiles.

. A member of the German counter-intelligence Hans Bernd Gizevius, who worked in Switzerland, recalled: "Allen Dulles was the first intelligence officer who had the courage to extend their activities to the political aspects of war
. He tried to establish contact with resistance groups, acting in Europe. "

. Headquartered in Bern, Dulles became the center where, in addition to the Germans, met opposition in many European countries occupied by Nazi Germany.

. But most of Dulles' famous "Operation Sunrise Crossword" - so called as negotiations with the Germans about a separate peace in spring 1945, . became an occasion for a serious crisis in US-Soviet relations in the final stage of World War II,
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In March 1945, Dulles conducted secret negotiations with General Wolff, however, they were conducted with the knowledge of management and limited to the issue of delivery of troops in Northern Italy. The Soviet leaders were not informed about the negotiations and learned about them through their scouts (among them, Kim Philby and Rudolf Rassler). Followed a sharp exchange of telegrams between Stalin and Roosevelt. Stalin demanded to allow representatives of the USSR at the next meeting, but was unable to achieve. Germany group of forces in Italy surrendered April 29, 1945.

Its truly Jesuit quality Dulles demonstrated in 1947-1949. Then his plan, and under his leadership in the People's Democracies of Eastern Europe was carried out covert CIA operations 'splitting factor', . during which the CIA was able hands of the NKVD and the secret services in Eastern Europe 'fix' a number of leaders of the communist movement.,

. The implementation of this operation has caused a wave of bloody repression
. The victims were such well-known and authoritative figures of the communist movement's national bent, as Rudolf Slansky (Czechoslovakia), Wladyslaw Gomulka (Poland), Laszlo Rajk (Hungary), Traycho Kostov (Bulgaria), and many others.

The CIA then worked through his agent, Colonel Joseph Svyatlo, deputy chief of the Tenth control security of the Polish People's Republic of. It is generously supplied Svyatlo fabricated 'evidence' espionage and subversive activities of these leaders. After Svyatlo passed these 'proofs' in Moscow, from there follow the instructions on the organization of revealing processes.

. It was then between the USSR and the future of the socialist bloc fell first bloody furrow, which was conducted with the active involvement of the CIA and Allen Dulles personally.

. Soon the U.S. broke a big scandal
. August 29, 1949 in the Soviet Union produced a successful test of an atomic bomb that America was seen as a bolt from the blue. After all, CIA Director Admiral Hillenkoetter just a year before, sent a memorandum to President, . in which he wrote, . that 'there is a very weak probability, . that the Russian will create its first atomic bomb at the earliest by mid-1950, . but the most likely date, . our opinion, . - Mid 1953 ',
. Naturally, all dogs were hanged for the CIA, with the loudest expressed his indignation Allen Dulles.

Secretary of Defense James Forrestal asked him to analyze the work of the CIA at this stage and Allen lambasted intelligence activities to the nines. For words to be answered. And in 1951, Dulles called in to work at the CIA, offered the post of Deputy Director. And two years later, in February 1953, he led U.S. intelligence agencies, and remained in that post until 1961.

The period during which the Dulles led the CIA, was marked by the secret operations, the result of which was zero, if not negative. Could not help even the fact that these operations chief of the CIA personally invented beautiful and romantic names. In most cases, nothing is impossible, but a couple of times CIA incredible price costs still make the grade. Thus, in 1953, Dulles undertook an operation 'Ajax': the Americans overthrew the Iranian government headed by Prime Minister Mossadegh and restored the shah's rule in the country. Coup led directly to Roosevelt's grandson - Kermit (Kim) Roosevelt, who was obliged to spend on a campaign at least $ 2 million. month. Conclusion: if the Mossadegh could be something to negotiate, the Shah was completely insane.

In 1954 the CIA overthrew Guatemala premiere Hokobo Arbenz. After the coup, took power the government of Carlos Armas, who was so corrupt that the Americans immediately regretted his deed. Other covert operations Dulles were altogether anecdotal. In 1954, the CIA launched Operation 'Moby Dick', in which the airspace of the USSR and other socialist countries run thousands of unmanned balloons to conduct aerial. It was assumed that these balls, flying from west to east, will be met in the Pacific. No ball, which cost $ 50 thousand, as expected, the ocean is not reached

. Finally, . in April 1961 on the initiative of Dulles was held catastrophic landing in the Bay of Pigs 'Brigades-1625' - a special unit of Cuban exiles, . then blatant unprofessionalism Dulles became apparent to all,
. By submitting his resignation, President Kennedy put it very politely: 'Allen Dulles - the legendary personality, but with the legends is very difficult to deal with practical affairs'. Dulles later blamed the failure of the operation on President Kennedy, who, in his opinion, had not committed enough force to its implementation.

. In 1963, Allen Dulles, the last time he returned to public activity, becoming a member of the commission that investigated the Kennedy assassination
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At rest, he wrote a book entitled it, neither more nor less, 'The Art of Exploration'. The fact that it represents, suggests, for example, then, Dulles described the operation as a 'Gold'. In 1955, the CIA dug a tunnel length of about 500 meters from the zone of the divided Berlin to the Soviet sector to tap telephone conversations. In this operation the Americans spent about $ 6 million. But after the onset of winter, according to Dulles, 'snow above the tunnel began to thaw because of the underground heating equipment, and the secret is about to threaten to become clear - at the surface would have stood out tricky road leading from West Berlin'. Equipment immediately disconnected, and the danger was past - this, according to Dulles, and the art of intelligence.

Actually, it is strange that such professionals, as Allen Dulles, did not occur, that in Berlin, from time to time snow falls. But it's not so bad. In fact, the plan 'one of the most courageous and effective intelligence activities' was known in all parts of the KGB in 1953, when the tunnel is only designed. After it was built, the Soviet counter-intelligence officers have successfully used the tunnel as a channel of strategic disinformation. At the time of publication of the memoirs Dulles already knew about this, but it did not bother. He was a frequent participant of television programs on foreign policy.

He died in Washington on Jan. 29, 1969 from complications in the lungs after influenza. Buried in a cemetery in Baltimore. His wife, born March Clover Todd, whom he married in 1920, survived him by 5 years. The couple had three children.

. Interesting facts

. In our country, since Ehrenburg (that belong to his pen the lines "If Dulles on some misunderstanding would go to paradise where he will be hatching plots and begin to shoot the angels") tend to demonize Dulles
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Since the 1990's in the Russian media began to mention the so-called 'Plan Dulles' - a secret plan to capture the Soviet Union through the corruption of the population, allegedly uttered Dulles in December 1945. Like, that's when Dulles devised a plan to collapse of the Soviet Union with the help of "sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll."

. The doctrine of Allen Dulles (verbatim):

. "We throw everything we have, all gold, all the material power and resources stultification and Fooling people
. The human brain, consciousness of people are able to change. Sowing chaos in Russia, we soon be replaced by the value of fake ... We find like-minded people, his aides and allies in Russia. Episode for episode will play out a grand tragedy of the death of the rebellious people on earth, the final extinction of its identity.

From the literature and art we ... gradually erase their social nature, break with artists, recapture their psychical image, the study ... the processes that occur in the depths of the masses. Literature, theater, movies - everything will depict and glorify the basest human emotions. We will do our best to maintain and raise the so-called artists who will plant and hammered in the consciousness of the cult of sex, violence, sadism, betrayal - in short, of all immorality.

. In public administration, we will create chaos, confusion
. We are quietly but actively and continuously promote the tyranny of officials, bribe takers, unprincipled. Honesty and integrity will be ridiculed and no one will be needed, will become a relic of the past. Rudeness and arrogance, lies and deceit, drunkenness and drug abuse, animal fear ... and the enmity of peoples, especially the hostility and hatred for the Russian people - all this we will be neatly and inconspicuously to cultivate.

And only a few, very few will guess or understand what is happening. But these people we put in a helpless position, made a mockery, they find a way to slander and call dregs of society ...

We will shatter the way generation after generation ... We will fight for people from childhood, adolescence, we will always be the main emphasis on youth, become corrupt, corrupt, defile her. We will make them cosmopolitan.

But in 1945, Dulles' role in the OSS (Office of Strategic Services) did not allow him to issue such instructions, and the very similar OSS projects simply could not deal. It was not too serious organization solely focused on gathering information.

Plans for transforming intelligence has already been discussed at the time, and Dulles, of course, participated in their development. It was he who originated the idea that we should actively intervene in the internal affairs of other countries, to apply sabotage, assassinations and even support coups. However, the reformed service Dulles was not invited.

There is no evidence that when he was CIA director Dulles issued a similar directive. This is not a word either in declassified intelligence documents, or even in research on the history of American intelligence.

And not in the nature of Allen was to build long-term, decadal plans. Major General Kenneth Strong, . led the U.S. Army Intelligence in Western Europe during the Second World, . Dulles called "the most outstanding American professional scout of his time, . although more prone to the rapid collection and analysis, . than to long-term intelligence projects. ",

. According to one version, the report had been spoken by him in the U.S. Congress in 1945, on the other - this is an excerpt from his book, published either in the 1945th, whether in 1953 year-em
. None of the known reports or books Dulles is no such plan, the very same text almost verbatim the same as the words of one of the characters published in the years 1971-1976, Anatoly Ivanov, a novel 'Eternal Call'.

. And yet in Russia's history Dulles played a pivotal role.

. In 1917, he worked at the U.S. mission in Bern
. Allen was on duty when a diplomatic mission called requesting a meeting a man who introduced by Vladimir Ilyich Lenin.

Why called Lenin, never, perhaps, not cleared. Perhaps wanted to wave across the Atlantic. But Dulles took him for a mentally unbalanced and exile in the meeting refused.

. The next day, Lenin had already rolled into Russia in the famous sealed train ...

. Movies

. Allen Dulles became widely known in the Soviet Union after it became one of the minor characters of the cult television series "Seventeen Moments of Spring '
. In the film, the highest ranking German come in contact with Dulles and lead with him the secret negotiations to conclude a separate peace with Dulles, acting behind President Roosevelt. Scout Stirlitz reveals the conspiracy and disrupts the continuation of negotiations, reporting on the conspirators to the German authorities and inform Moscow about the details of the negotiations.

Bibliography

1963 'The Art of Exploration'
1966 'secret surrender'

http://persona.rin.ru/eng/view/f/0/37787/dulles-allen

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[VoltaXebec]

These people are NOT Jews, they are a non-human bloodline with a reptilian genetic code who hide behind the Jewish people and use them as a screen and a means to an end.

Ok :crazy:

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

These people are NOT Jews, they are a non-human bloodline with a reptilian genetic code who hide behind the Jewish people and use them as a screen and a means to an end.

Ok :crazy:

Yeah sorry about that... this is more David Icke crap. Some facts but a lot of "mis-direction" towards "reptilians" and other Icke B.S.

My personal apologies.  The coverage of Dulles as a possible conservative agent of the Jews post WWI is really the story here.  Hitler was not a Rothschild and WWII was started by a conspiracy of Jews and their Shabbos Goy to create Israel.  WWI was started to break up the Monarchies-Kings of Europe as per the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

[VoltaXebec]

Hitler was not a Rothschild

Yeah, the Hitler as a Rothschild just doesn't fly with me, not enough evidence for that one.

[uroko]

Agreed ... might be true, not proven, too much dis-info on these topics for me to put much faith in the idea.    

And as for the reptilian angle, I figure somewhere the business that the ancient rulers associated themselves with the dragon got taken a little too literally, and so we have this bizarre myth floating around - as well as people who believe there are shape-shifters - or that the ancient ruling elite were the progeny of humans mated with aliens from Nibiru (planet X?) - obviously the ancient Sumerian myth of the 'watchers', or the biblical fallen angels ... after a few thousands years of "telephone".  I don't buy any of it.  

Allen Dulles an "employee" of Kuhn and Loeb??   No, I don't think so.   He might have represented them as a client at Sullivan and Cromwell, but the focus of his activities was protecting Standard Oil and Brown Brothers Harriman.    He put but those accounts (and related dealings with Schroeder bank) under one account, which he called `Brown Brothers Harriman ‑ Schroeder Rock.'
http://www.mustaqim.co.uk/ipb-archive/c ... 5power.htm  

As for Dulles' involvement in the formation of the CFR, I had not heard that.   I know he was a director very early on, from 1927 ... but in 1921 he had just gotten married and was preparing to attend Law School (at GW).  He might have still been in Switzerland.  Any other source that he was involved in the formation of the CFR?  

Regardless, I think noting that he was its president from 1947 was sufficient to get the point across.  

There is one goof that I'd like to fix - the order gives the impression that Prescott Bush met Dorothy Walker after joining W A Harriman & Co. - actually he married her in 1921 and joined the firm when it was founded in 1922.   Kind of a minor detail, and it flows nice the way it is, but it's a little deceiving with regard to a completely unimportant point ... still, I think I'll fix it.  

Back to Dulles ... what I would have liked to address was the fact that he got himself ensconced as soon as possible as head of the CIA (1953 - he had to wait until Truman was gone) in order to cover up all his and his clients' Nazi dealings.   It's quite an amazing story.  I just couldn't include it for time considerations.   I have a goal, I'd like to cover certain points and tie it up nice in under 2 hours total, and I just wanted to cover the ground necessary to get there.   Also, this isn't really targeting people who are already familiar with this stuff, but people who aren't, and I think if you give them too much scandalous stuff at once their brains begin to shut down.    I'm trying to keep it simple and easy to grasp.  

But yes, as you say, the story is more complicated - way more complicated.    I mean, the whole thing about the IG Farben/Standard Oil partnership, their patent agreements, how that benefitted the Nazis; Dupont, Ford, GM, GE, IBM, ITT, how they all were involved, in what transactions Sullivan and Cromwell helped who cover whose tracks, or launder Nazi money kept in the US, it just is endless, and far too complicated to squeeze into a few minutes of a larger movie. So I just presented the basics, and focused on Harriman/Bush, Standard Oil and Dulles, who were indeed the major players.

...Hitler was not a Rothschild and the WWII was started by Jews to create Israel. WWI was started to break up the Monarchies-Kings of Europe.

I'm not convinced it was started by "Jews", my take, which everyone is familiar with I assume, is that the Zionist-international ruling elite club commonality is dragon/Kabbalistic, not Jewish per-se.   "To create Israel"?  Yes, that was one of the goals - in fact they tried getting that ball rolling in WWI.   I look at WWII as the war to finish the job - not just to get Jewish immigration to Palestine at a significant level, but also to give international governance another go ... the League of Nations failed of course, and WWII gave them (TM) the UN, IMF and World Bank, so their decision to have another war payed off handsomely.    This is all gonna be in part 12 by the way.

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that Prescott Bush met Dorothy Walker

Take a good look to the Walker part of the Bush dynasty, they were powerful before the Bushes, George Herbert Walker already was a banker in his time.
Another very hidden part of the geneology is the Davis bloodline (George Herbert Walker was the youngest son of David Davis Walker). Davis was involved when they  killed Lincoln's greenbacks ?, Then we have the Robinsons and the Wears - See more under here




The former "president" bush real name i not George Bush but George Walker Bush

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush

And his father's name is not George Herbert Bush  but George Herbert Walker Bush

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush

Here are some links

George Herbert Walker

Walker came from a Maryland family of slave owners, something they attempted to keep secret.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/01/books/chapters/1st-chapter-bush-tragedy.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print

In 1900, he started a banking and investment firm named G. H. Walker & Co. His family had developed many international banking contacts, and he helped organize the 1904 St. Louis World's Fair.

His brother-in-law Joseph Walker Wear was one of the founders of the Davis Cup.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Herbert_Walker

David Davis Walker

Walker was a first cousin of Senator and Supreme Court Justice David Davis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Davis_Walker

David Davis (Supreme Court justice)

He was born to a wealthy family in Cecil County, Maryland
After President Lincoln's assassination, Judge Davis was an administrator of his estate.

In 1870 he held, with the minority of the Supreme Court, that the acts of Congress making government notes a legal tender in payment of debts were constitutional.

STOP THE PRESS : Killing the greenbacks !! My English in not that good, can anyone confirm here if this means that they maked the greenbacks illegal by this or does it means that he was in favour? Anyways, he was involved in this issue, smell a rat in any case, controlled opposition is the way of the power elites to control the slave's revolt, that's for sure. Link here under
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Davis_(Supreme_Court_justice)#National_stage



Henry Winter Davis

well known as one of the Radical Republicans during the Civil War.

died in Baltimore at the very end of 1865

Henry W. Davis was a cousin of David Davis

My own comment here: Both cousins were involved at the conflict but dedicated to one side of the equation, nice trick.



George E. Walker
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_E._Walker
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/George_E._Walker

the only thing that seems to be of note about this individual is that they appear in the family tree of the two Bush presidents.

Lucretia Wear Walker



Lucretia Wear Walker's relationship map (expand by pointing (MouseDown) the courser at the cross)

http://www.muckety.com/Lucretia-Wear-Walker/1020.muckety



Dorothy Walker Bush



Dorothy Walker Bush, Richard Dupree relationship map (expand by pointing (MouseDown) the courser at the cross)

http://www.muckety.com/Query?SearchResult=1329&SearchResult=381&graph=MucketyMap?_r=2D

Ancestry of George Walker Bush - Bush Family Tree

http://genealogy.about.com/od/presidents/p/george_bush.htm
http://genealogy.about.com/od/presidents/p/george_bush_two.htm

_______________________________________________________________________

George Walker Bush



1. George Walker Bush
2. George Herbert Walker Bush
3. Barbara Pierce
4. Prescott Sheldon Bush
5. Dorothy Walker
6. Marvin Pierce
7. Pauline Robinson
8. Samuel Prescott Bush
10. George Herbert Walker
14. James Edgar Robinson
16. Rev. James Smith Bush
20. David Davis Walker
22. James Hutchinson Wear1. George Walker Bush (1946), 43rd U.S. President


Parents

2. George Herbert Walker Bush (1924), 41st U.S. President



3. Barbara Pierce (1925)


 
Grandparents
 
4. Prescott Sheldon Bush (1895-1972)



5. Dorothy Walker (1901-1992)


 
6. Marvin Pierce (1893-1969)


 
7. Pauline Robinson (1896-1949)



Great grandparents
 
8. Samuel Prescott Bush (1863-1948)


 
9. Flora Sheldon (1872-1920)
10. George Herbert Walker (1874-1953)



11. Lucretia Wear (1874-1961)


 
12. Scott Pierce (1866-1891)
13. Mabel Marvin (1869-?)
14. James Edgar Robinson (1868-1932)


 
15. Lula Dell Flickinger (1875-?)
 
2nd Great grandparents

16. Reverend James Smith Bush (1825-1889)



17. Harriet Fay (1829-1924)
18. Robert Emmet Sheldon (1845-1917)
19. Mary Elizabeth Butler (1850-1897)
20. David Davis Walker (1840-1918)
21. Martha Adela Beaky (1841-1917)
22. James Hutchenson Wear (1838-1893)



23. Nancy Eliza Holliday (1847-1942)
24. Jonas James Pierce (1839-1913)
25. Kate Pritzel (1841-1931)
26. Jerome Place Marvin (1846-1917)
27. Martha Ann Stokes (1847-1925)
28. John William Robinson (1831-1919)
29. Sarah Coe (1831-1901)
30. Jacob Marion Flickinger (1849-1917)
31. Sarah Haines (1855-1888)
3rd Great grandparents
32. Obadiah Newcomb Bush (1797-1851)
33. Harriet Smith (1800–1867)
34. Samuel Howard Fay (1804-1847
35. Susan Shellman (1808-1887)
36. Thomas H. Sheldon (1818-1854)
37. Martha Uncles (1824-1912)
38. Courtland Philip Livingston Butler (1819-1891)
39. Elizabeth Slade Pierce (1822-1901)
40. George E. Walker (1797–1864)
41. Harriet Mercer (1802-1869)
42. Joseph Ambrose Beaky (1818-1858)
43. Mary Ann Bangs (1817-?)
44. William Gault Wear (1817-1900)
45. Sarah Amanda Yancey (1819-1879)
46. John James Holliday (1819-1881)
47. Lucretia Green Foree (1822-?)
48. James Pierce (1810-1874)
49. Chloe Holbrook (1816-1886)
50. Anton Pritzl (1811-1844)
51. Marie Louise Pasquay (1813-1887)
52. Samuel Ross Marvin (1804-1863)
53. Julia Ann Place (1808-1884)
54. Richard M. Stokes (1818-1898)
55. Julia Ann Myers (1826-1858)
56. John Wilson Robinson (1803-1853)
57. Elizabeth Mitchell (1803-1853)
58. Daniel Coe (1801-1851)
59. Mary Gladden (1804-1893)
60. Stephen Flickinger (1823-1869)
61. Margaret Ann Figley (1825-1886)
62. Jonathan Haines (1815-1900)
63. Mary Jane Sprague (1823-?)

4th Great grandparents

64. Timothy Bush, Jr. (1761-1850)
65. Lydia Newcomb (1763-1865)
66. Dr. Sanford Smith (1760-1818)
67. Priscilla Whippo (1763-1838)
68. Samuel Prescott Phillips Fay (1778-1856)
69. Harriet Howard (1782-1847)
70. John Shellman (1757-1838)
71. Clarissa Montfort (?-1845)
72. Michael Sheldon
73. Mary
74. James Uncles (1794-1835)
75. Elizabeth Criswell/Kiswell (1798-?)
76. Samuel Herrick Butler (1785-1851)
77. Judith Livingston (1785-1858)
78. Levi Pierce (1797-1838)
79. Betsey Wheeler (1800-1881)
80. Captain Thomas Walker (1758-1799)
81. Catherine McLelland (?-1806)
82. John Mercer (1764-1820)
83. Rebecca Davis (1772-1802)
84. Joseph Beaky (1792-1854)
85. Catharine Shriner (1784-1850)
86. Elijah Keeler Bangs (1780-1856)
87. Esther Stackhouse (1787-1819)
88. James Hutchenson Weir (1789-1832)
89. Elizabeth Gault
90. David Yancey (1795-?)
91. Mildred Field (1795-?)
92. Joseph Holliday (1789-1870)
93. Nancy R. McCune 1799-1834)
94. Peter Foree
95. Eliza Dawson
96. James Pierce (1768-1849)
97. Mary Stacy (1774-1847)
98. John Holbrook (1778-1838)
99. Mercy Hill (1780-1856)
102. Georg Daniel Pasquay
103. Katharina Margretha Rothass
104. Robert Marvin (1770-1842)
105. Phebe Ford (1770-1852)
106. Arca Place (1766-1827)
107. Elizabeth Knight (1777-1862)
112. Henry Robinson (1755-1826)
113. Rebecca Wallace
114. Judge David Mitchell (1760-1836)
115. Martha Black (1764-1823)
116. Moses Coe (1750-1813)
117. Sarah Howell (1753-1813)
118. Joseph Gladden
119. Hannah Munn
120. John Flickinger (?-1823)
121. Margaret Rebecca Demuth (1793-?)
122. Jacob Figley (?-1848)
123. Anne Powell
124. Allen Haines (1791-1861)
125. Sarah Ballinger (1800-1856)
 
5th Great grandparents

128. Timothy Bush (1728-1815)
129. Deborah House (1742-1818)
130. Daniel Newcomb (1729-?)
131. Elizabeth May (1730-?)
132. [[Ephraim Smith (1704-1774)
133. Lucy Stevens (1717-1806)
136. Jonathan Fay, Jr. (1752-1811)
137. Lucy Prescott (1757-1792)
138. Samuel Howard (1752-1797)
139. Anna Lillie (1760-1804)
140. John Shellman (1723-1816)
141. Maria Margareth Fout/Fought/Fauth (1732-1795)
142. Robert Munford/Montfort
143. Anne Brodnax
152. Reverend Nathaniel Butler (1761-1829)
153. Sarah Herrick (1764-1823)
154. Gilbert James Livingston (1758-1833)
155. Susannah Lewis (1761-1822)
156. Isaac Pierce (1763-1849)
157. Anna Fitch (1763-1809)
158. Jarvis Wheeler (1774-1852)
159. Sarah Horton (1777-1856)
248. Jonathan Haines (c1737-1834)
249. Sarah Sharp
6th Great grandparents
256. Richard Bush (1696-1732)
257. Mary Fairbanks
9th Great grandparents
2056. Jonathan Fairbanks (1594-1668)

http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Ancestries_of_the_U.S._Presidents

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_family

Connections to other prominent families (Kerry/Forbes etc)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_family#Connections_to_other_prominent_families

The franklin cover up -Conspiracy of Silence - Illuminati Pedophiles in Washington D.C. (documentary)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 240639313#

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 401208062#

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[uroko]

Yes, Walker was a big-shot.  I never really looked deep into him, although I am aware he had his own banking firm and sat on the board of AIC.

Didn't know about the Davis family.    Lots of great info upstairs there - thanx.

And a big thank you to the poster who PM'd me with confirmation on the scale-skull-scallop entymological connection.  
http://www.wordnik.com/words/scale/etymologies

That's a great help to me - the real meaning behind the use of scallop shells on family coats of arms has been a mystery to many people.   Now I feel confident in repeating it.   thank you again !
 :up:

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Do you think Bush was "Coached" by the Rothschilds like these leaders?

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The American President, Woodrow Wilson, was "advised" at Versailles by Colonel House and Bernard Baruch, both Rothschild clones and leaders of the Round Table in the United States; The British Prime Minister, Lloyd George, was "advised" by Alfred Milner, Rothschild employee and Round Table leader, and Sir Phillip Sassoon, a direct decendent of Mayer Amschel Rothschild, the founder of the dynasty; The French leader, Georges Clemenceau, was "advised" by his Minister for the Interior, Georges Mandel, whose real name was Jeroboam Rothschild.

[uroko]

Are you asking me?   No, actually I don't think it goes down anything like that, and I don't think we should attribute too much credit/blame to the Rothschilds.   John Van Hove noted that Alex Christopher's Pandora's Box reveals a number of families which have been the real wielders of power for untold centuries, and that the names are unrecognizable to anyone.   I haven't read it, but I suspect there's some truth to the statement (and I expect the Veres are one of the families Christopher names).     I view the elite as more of an institution, with their own rules, their own values, and their own hierarchy which changes subtly over generations.  The people closest to the top are less visible than others farther down.  A "Bush" or an "Obama" isn't coached by a Rothschild or anyone else that high up - the closest they ever come to even meeting any of their masters is at a Bilderberg Group meeting before their election where they are looked over and given a final OK (and not even by the top people, but by their trusted upper-management, world leaders you find on the Bilderberg Steering committee).  A Bush or an Obama is then told what to do by a team of advisors, who are told what to do by their advisors, who are told by their bosses, etc.   Probably a decision to go to war with Iraq starts with a few words spoken over a brandy in England somewhere ... but by truly powerful people whose decisions are regarded as law, upon which machinery to make it happen goes into effect.  Everything about the ruling elite, what they do, how they do it and how their clubs and institutions are organized points to the "rings within rings" model or the "hub and spoke" form of criminal conspiracy.  People on the outer rings aren't privy to what goes on in inner rings, indeed they may not know that more powerful inner circles from which directives come down even exist - they just know on which side their bread is buttered.   The way it's structured protects the top echelon, makes it nearly impossible for people like us to figure out what's going on, and even if understood by some presents such a massive conspiratorial picture to the average person that they wouldn't believe it true in a million years.

[uroko]

Sorry, C-S-R, I didn't read the second part of your post, I thought it was your signature.  

The American President, Woodrow Wilson, was "advised" at Versailles by Colonel House and Bernard Baruch, both Rothschild clones and leaders of the Round Table in the United States; The British Prime Minister, Lloyd George, was "advised" by Alfred Milner, Rothschild employee and Round Table leader, and Sir Phillip Sassoon, a direct decendent of Mayer Amschel Rothschild, the founder of the dynasty; The French leader, Georges Clemenceau, was "advised" by his Minister for the Interior, Georges Mandel, whose real name was Jeroboam Rothschild.

Well, in that respect, I suppose yes, but its a question of who is really in charge and how far removed these "coaches" are from them.  What is a "Rothschild clone", what does that mean, and was Colonel House one?   His father got rich running blockades during the civil war and trading with the Rothschilds, among other British businessmen.  I'm not saying that what you are suggesting (asking) isn't in some respects true, I just wanted to point out that it's all very blurry, and that many people, possibly convinced that the Jewish Rothschilds are behind everything and overstate the case and/or cherry pick and exaggerate.  Is that accurate?  Saying so doesn't make it so.  I know for a fact that the British and French Rothschild houses often have disagreed.   Take Japan for example - the English office wrote a number of letters to the French house commending Japan and its creditworthiness early in the century - but did not directly loan money to the Japanese, ostensibly because the French house didn't support the overthrow of Russia.  Schiff and Warburg picked up the slack and funded the Japanese side of the Russo-Japanese war, and the Rothschilds refinanced Japan's war debt after the dust had settled.  

One of Obama's advisors during the campaign was Zbignew Brzezinski - who is a close friend of Rockefeller.  Does that mean Obama was coached by a Rothschild minion?   Maybe, maybe not - I think it far more constructive to think in terms of the architecture of the elite system of governance, because even the Rothschilds' prominence say, a century ago is fairly well understood, we don't really know who is in really in charge right now - or at least, I don't.  

That's just my take on it.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

This chapter is a must read but the whole book is worth a good read uroko...    .  Careful when charting out these "histories" of small players and finding their lineages, you can miss seeing the most murderous criminals of all...which deserve far more attention.

Eustace Mullins is the first stop on this journey.

Remember, GWB and the entire Bush Family has been and was, at all times,  first and foremost a Shabbos Goy Jew Puppet operation in the USA.  

CHAPTER FIVE The House of Rothschild [SECRETS OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE By Eustace Mullins]

Thus we see that the 1910 plot to seize control of the money and credit of the people of the United States was planned by men who already controlled most of the country's resources. It seemed to John Moody "practically automatic" that they should continue with their operations.

What John Moody did not know, or did not tell his readers, was that the most powerful men in the United States were themselves answerable to another power, a foreign power, and a power which had been steadfastly seeking to extend its control over the young republic of the United States since its very inception. This power was the financial power of England, centered in the London Branch of the House of Rothschild. The fact was that in 1910, the United States was for all practical purposes being ruled

   32 John Moody, "The Seven Men", McClure's Magazine, August, 1911, p. 418

from England, and so it is today. The ten largest bank holding companies in the United States are firmly in the hands of certain banking houses, all of which have branches in London. They are J.P. Morgan Company, Brown Brothers Harriman, Warburg, Kuhn Loeb and J. Henry Schroder. All of them maintain close relationships with the House of Rothschild, principally through the Rothschild control of international money markets through its manipulation of the price of gold. Each day, the world price of gold is set in the London office of N.M. Rothschild and Company.

Although these firms are ostensibly American firms, which merely maintain branches in London, the fact is that these banking houses actually take their direction from London. Their history is a fascinating one, and unknown to the American public, originating as it did in the international traffic in gold, slaves, diamonds, and other contraband. There are no moral considerations in any business decision made by these firms. They are interested solely in money and power.

http://www.whale.to/b/m_ch5.html


Edward Griffin's book which basically plagiarized Mullin's work has this run down. Note Sullivan and Cromwell as basically an agent for the Fed owners, particularly Kuhn, Loeb & Co., which financed companies and trusts connecting back to Rothschild control.  Dulles ran as president of this agent firm. If you research the OWNERS instead of their Hand PUPPETS... it's JEWISH ALL THE WAY DOWN THE LINE -- ROTHSCHILD is the head LEECH of Europe... Israel is trying to become the HEAD LEECH of the WORLD.. that's why it has secret banking like in Switzerland:

BANKS OWN THE STOCK OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK OF NEW YORK  
 
Rothschilds, of Europe,
Lazard Freres (Eugene Meyer),
Kuhn Loeb Company,
Warburg Company,
Lehman Brothers,
Goldman Sachs,
 Rockefeller family,
J.P. Morgan interests.
 

MERGED AND CONSOLIDATED - CONTROL IS MUCH MORE CONCENTRATED.
 
National Bank of Commerce = Morgan Guaranty Trust Company.
Lehman Brothers+ Kuhn, Loeb Company = Morgan-Kuhn, Loeb
First National Bank + National City Bank
Chase and Bank of Manhattan merged, the Rockefeller and Kuhn Loeb = Chase Manhattan, NY
Citicorp, New York
Manufacturers Hanover of New York
J.P. Morgan Company of New York
Chemical Bank of New York
First Chicago Corporation,
First National Bank of Chicago principal correspondent of the Morgan-Baker bank in New York
 
 
The ten largest bank holding companies in the United States are firmly in the hands of certain banking houses, all of which have branches in London. They are
J.P. Morgan Company,
Brown Brothers Harriman,
Warburg,
Kuhn Loeb and
J. Henry Schroder. All of them maintain close relationships with the House of Rothschild,

London banking houses which control them:
CBS interlocks with the Washington Post, Allied Chemical, Wells Fargo Bank,
Brown Brothers Harriman controls CBS,
Eugene Meyer family (Lazard Freres) controls  Allied Chemical and the Washington Post,
Kuhn Loeb Co. the Wells Fargo Bank.
New York Times with Morgan Guaranty Trust, American Express, First Boston Corporation


The "local" families set up regional councils, on orders from New York, of such groups as the Council on Foreign Relations, The Trilateral Commission,
 
PAUL WARBURG
M.M. Warburg Company
Kuhn Loeb
Lehman Brothers has merged with Kuhn, Loeb Company
F.A. Delano, a Roosevelt relative, railroad operator took over railroads for Kuhn, Loeb Co.
W.P.G. Harding, President of the First National Bank of Atlanta;
J.W. McIntosh, chief of Subsistence for the United States Army in 1918. He later became Comptroller of the Currency during Coolidge's Administration,
William McAdoo - Secretary of the Treasury, Wilson's son-in-law, (President of the Hudson-Manhattan Railroad, a Kuhn, Loeb Company controlled enterprise...
Kuhn, Loeb Company, which was also known as a principal agent of the Rothschilds.
Thomas Fortune Ryan also held 5100 shares of National Bank of Commerce stock in 1914.
His son, John Barry Ryan, married Otto Kahn's daughter,
Kahn was a partner of Warburg and Schiff in Kuhn, Loeb Company,
Ryan's granddaughter, Virginia Fortune Ryan, married Lord Airlie,
the present head of J. Henry Schroder Banking Corporation in London and New York,
director of National Bank of Commerce in 1914,
 
A.D. Juillard, was president of A.D. Juillard Company, a trustee of New York Life, and Guaranty Trust, all of which were controlled by J.P. Morgan.  Juillard also had a British connection, being a director of the North British and Mercantile Insurance Company. Juillard owned 2000 shares of National Bank of Commerce stock, and was also a director of Chemical Bank.
 
J. Henry Schroder Bank and Trust control of sugar goes back to the U.S. Food Administration under Herbert Hoover and  Lewis L. Strauss of Kuhn, Loeb, Company during World War I.
 
Schroder's attorneys are the firm of Sullivan and Cromwell.
John Foster Dulles of this firm was present during the historic agreement to finance Hitler, and was later Secretary of State in the Eisenhower administration.
Alfred Jaretzki, Jr., of Sullivan and Cromwell is also a director of Manati Sugar Company and Francisco Sugar Company.
 
Another director of J. Henry Schroder is Norris Darrell, Jr., born in Berlin, Germany, partner of Sullivan and Cromwell,
 
Bayless Manning, partner of the Wall Street law firm of Paul, Weiss, Rifkind and Wharton, is also a director of J. Henry Schroder. He was president of the Council on Foreign Relations from 1971-1977, and is editor in chief of the Yale Law Review.
 
Paul H. Nitze, the prominent "disarmament negotiator" for the United States government,
is a director of Schroder's Inc.
He married Phyllis Pratt, of the Standard Oil fortune, whose father gave the Pratt family mansion as the building which houses the Council on Foreign Relations.
Kuhn, Loeb partners held the highest governmental posts in the United States during World War I,
Germany, Max and Fritz Warburg, and Philip and Ludwig Schiff, moved in the highest councils of government.
 
Louis Brandeis -  Schiff's lawyer, first available appointment on the Supreme Court of the United States which Woodrow Wilson was allowed to fill was given to the Kuhn, Loeb lawyer, Brandeis.
 
U.S. Food Administration managed by Hoover's director, Lewis Lichtenstein Strauss, who married into the Kuhn Loeb Company,  Alice Hanauer, daughter of partner Jerome Hanauer,
 
 The most critical field, military intelligence, Sir William Wiseman, chief of the British Secret Service, was a partner of Kuhn, Loeb & Company.
 
.. .an assistant Secretary of the Treasury (Jerome J. Hanauer, partner of Kuhn, Loeb Co. whose daughter married Lewis L. Strauss)in charge of Liberty Loans
 
The Liberty Loans, which sold bonds to our citizens, were nominally in the jurisdiction of the United States Treasury, under the leadership of Wilson's Secretary of the Treasury, William G. McAdoo, whom Kuhn, Loeb Co. had placed in charge of the Hudson-Manhattan Railway Co
 
The two Under-secretaries of the Treasury during the War were S. Parker Gilbert and Roscoe C. Leffingwell.
 
. . . came law firm of Cravath and Henderson, received partnerships in J.P. Morgan Co.,
 
Woodrow Wilson set up a United States Railroad Administration.
The Director-General was William McAdoo, Comptroller of the Currency.
 
Kuhn, Loeb Co. which owned the Mexican National Railways System,
 
Paul Cravath, the lawyer for Kuhn, Loeb Company, was third in charge of the American War Mission
 
Kuhn, Loeb Co. owned most of the railway mileage in the United States
 
(Brother)Felix M. Warburg, also a partner in Kuhn, Loeb Co.,
was director of the International Acceptance Bank and
Paul's son, James Paul Warburg, was Vice-President.
Paul Warburg director Westinghouse Acceptance Bank, organized in the United States immediately after the World War,
Paul Warburg became the most powerful acceptance banker in the world.
memorialization as "Daddy Warbucks" in the comic strip, "Little Orphan Annie".
 
highly successful run of several years on Broadway, another Warburg operation.


Benjamin Strong Benjamin married the daughter of the president of Bankers Trust in New York, and subsequently succeeded to its presidency.
 
Strong became Governor of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York as the joint nominee of Morgan and of Kuhn, Loeb Company in 1914."
 
Lord Montagu Norman is the only man in history who had both his maternal grandfather and his paternal grandfather serve as Governors of the Bank of England.  
 
His father was with Brown, Shipley Company, the London Branch of Brown Brothers (now Brown Brothers Harriman)
Seven men of the Morgan group, allied with the Standard Oil-Kuhn, Loeb group, ruled the United States
 
African Development Bank. "The British merchant bank, Morgan Grenfell and a syndicate of the United States, Kuhn Loeb, Lehman Brothers International, the French Lazard Freres and Britain's Warburg are discreetly acting as financial advisors to about ten debt-plagued African states."
 
President Reagan and his principal staff composed of men from :
J. Henry Schroder, Brown Brothers Harriman, and other leading components of "The London Connection".

Excerpts from Secrets of the Federal Reserve by G. Edward Griffin

Another good one:

THE ROTHSCHILD OCTOPUS
Written by: Vlada Sindjelic
http://www.dejanlucic.net/THE%20ROTHSCHILD%20OCTOPUS
or
http://waronyou.com/forums/index.php?topic=14528.0


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Mayer Rothschild and the Five Arrows - from 'The World Order - A Study in the Hegemony of Parasitism' by Eustace Mullins

In "Jews and Modern Capitalism", Prof. Werner Sombart wrote:

"The principal loan floaters of the world, the Rothschilds, were later the first railway kings. The period of 1820 onwards became the 'Age of the Rothschilds' so that at the middle of the century it was a common dictum : There is only one power in Europe and that is Rothschild."

Hearst's Chicago Evening American commented, Dec. 3, 1923: "The Rothschilds can start or prevent wars. Their word could make or break empires." Reeves notes, "The fall of Napoleon was the rise of Rothschild." Napoleon was later slowly poisoned to death with arsenic by a Rothschild agent. They had no need of another "return from exile".

The New York Evening Post noted July 22, 1924, "The Kaiser had to consult Rothschild to find out whether he could declare war. Another Rothschild carried out the whole burden of the conflict which overthrew Napoleon."

The Kaiser's Chancellor, Bethmann-Hollweg, who actually precipitated World War I, was a member of the Frankfurt banking family, Bethmann, and a cousin of the Rothschilds.

Also:

It explains the secret writing of the Federal Reserve Act by Paul Warburg of Kuhn, Loeb & Co., and the even more secret deals which caused it to be enacted into law by Congress. It explains how the United States could fight World War I with:

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      Paul Warburg in charge of its banking system through the vice chairmanship of the Federal Reserve Board
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      Bernard Baruch as dictator of American industry as Chairman of the War Industries Board
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      Eugene Meyer financing the war through his position as chairman of the War Finance Corporation (printing government bonds in duplicate)
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      Kuhn, Loeb partner Sir William Wiseman with Col. House correlated British and American intelligence operations
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      Kuhn, Loeb partner Lewis L. Strauss as acting head of the U.S. Food Administration under Herbert Hoover.

Meanwhile, Paul's brother, Max Warburg, headed the German espionage system and another brother was German commercial attache in Stockholm, traditional listening post for warring nations. Jacob Schiff had two brothers in Germany who were financing the German war effort. It was a classic case of a "managed conflict", with the Rothschilds manipulating both sides from behind the scenes. At the Versailles Peace Conference, Bernard Baruch was head of the Reparations Commission, Max Warburg, on behalf of Germany, accepted the reparations terms, while Paul Warburg, Thomas Lamont and other Wall Street bankers advised Wilson and the Dulles brothers on how "American" interests should be handled at this all-important diplomatic conference.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... Ch01-1.htm

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... htm#Arrows

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Keep in mind:

The Rothschild Group is the largest private banking group in the world

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http://www.scribd.com/doc/21961296/worl ... Rothschild

[uroko]

Yes, I have read Mullins.     And Morton.   And other books.  Yes, I'm aware they are the biggest private bank in the world -  and one of the oldest, next to Warburg's bank I think.   I state clearly in my movie that they are the richest family in the world, I quote Morton in the movie, I connect Warburg and Schiff and Peabody to the Rothschilds in the movie, I connect Rockefeller and Harriman  to them through Schiff, I connect Morgan to them through Peabody.   But there are other sources too.   Have you ever read any of the letters between the British and French houses?  I don't know of a place you can find a lot of them in one place, but I always read them when I run across them.   Also, a good book to read is Theodor Hertzl's diary.   In it he describes his effort to get Alfred to support his idea of a Jewish homeland in Palestine.

To some familiar with much of the literature available @ iamthewitness, one would probably think that the Rothschilds had backed Hertzl from the beginning and there would be no question of Rothschild support for a Jewish homeland in Palestine.    But that's not the case at all, they were all against it at first.   Alfred said the idea sounded "too Jewish", and would Hertzl take Uganda instead?.  In all fairness, Hertzl soon won the baron over, but Edmund, whose settlements were already making wine in Palestine, wasn't swayed and stayed enemies with Hertzl all his life.     The Rothschilds were bankers, and had worded hard and long to assimilate themselves into the gentile circles of the European elite ... and didn't want to jeapordize that.    That was the jist of it at the end of the century at least.

So what changed?  Did the Rothschilds "get religion"?   Or was a potential Jewish state near the newly secured oil fields in Persia viewed by the British as a potential security apparatus?  

If England supported a Jewish state in Palestine, then the Rothschilds would.  

To me, I see a fairly large and diverse group of people running things behind the scenes.  The Rothschilds may or may not be at the head of this at present.  The question is, are the top people all Jewish?  And if so, is being such part and parcel of this leadership?  And do all the non-Jewish minions beneath them do their bidding because it's the only game in town, and is the conquering of Palestine and the Zionist movement exactly what it looks like and can be taken at face value?  in short, is it a "Jewish conspiracy"?  

There's another interpretation - that every malevolent idea hatched within the inner circle of the elite doesn't eminate only from the Rothschilds, that it is more fluid, that there are factions, there is ongoing competition behind the scenes, that the agenda of the rulers behind the scenes is an agenda of the elite, rather than a Jewish agenda. That maybe Israel continues to serve as a wedge, driven into the only part of the world the bankers don't own and that, this is controversial, like Germany and Japan, one day Israel will be taken down a notch for its crimes to help assimilate it into the elites' dream of one-world-citizenship (with them in control of course) - I don't know, I'm just offering alternate theories.  I'll bet it looked like the elite were trying to take over the world from Germany back in the 30's ... and someone with knowledge of who was backing Hitler and how would've come to that conclusion.   Little would they have known that the Nazi's would be defeated, thrown to the wolves and that Germany, a very important country in terms of the homeland of some of the world's ruling houses including Jewish banking houses, would be humiliated and split between NATO and the Soviet Block.  I have seen this too many times in history - a country is supported to serve a particular end, grows powerful, and is knocked back down.  

Now, for the record, I don't know - but I DO believe the goal here is to wreck the Muslim world and rebuild it, and that creating a Jewish state in the Holy Land provides the perfect means to allow that to happen (even though it was, as I suggested, envisioned originally simply as a security apparatus to protect oil fields).   Then there's the minerals.   There's 3 trillion (with a T), maybe 4 trillion by now with inflation, worth of minerals bound up in the Dead Sea.

In short, I am very aware of the importance of the Rothschilds.   I hold a somewhat minority POV however in terms of the overall picture.

[pas]

Part 11 doesn't work.
Youtube:"video removed by user".

[pas]

Never mind , i found it.