Gunshots heard at Polish Plane Crash Site-Video!

Whaler · April 13, 2010, 07:28:59 PM

Gunshots heard at Polish Plane Crash Site
[youtube:1bwuhjpq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkEmHSIVDwE[/youtube]1bwuhjpq]

Whaler · April 13, 2010, 08:17:18 PM

Just uploaded it to Youtube. I put an advertisement for the info underground at the beginning...

[youtube:hkmzzzj0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX6ztLe4QLY[/youtube]hkmzzzj0]

§N9sh2bj · April 14, 2010, 01:31:31 AM

those could have been rounds going off from the fires.

i,e, plane crashes with armed men on board. rounds go off in ensuing fire.

what do you think?

Whaler · April 14, 2010, 11:12:02 AM

Quote from: "§N9sh2bj"those could have been rounds going off from the fires.

i,e, plane crashes with armed men on board. rounds go off in ensuing fire.

what do you think?

Yes, it could also be soldiers/police firing their guns in the air to scare off people from contaminating the crash site.

This video is going viral,
Gunshots heard at Polish Plane Crash Site-Shocking Footage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX6ztLe4QLY

2,611 views
38 comments

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Whaler · April 14, 2010, 11:21:43 AM

I noticed the first video I posted has now been removed.

Whaler · April 14, 2010, 01:48:03 PM

JEWISH DELEGATION CANCELED JOURNEY ON POLISH PRESIDENT'S PLANE

http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2010/04/j ... ey-on.html

Quote"A Jewish delegation from Poland, including the American-born Chief Rabbi Michael Schudrich, was spared from certain death by refusing to violate the Sabbath to fly with President Lech Kaczynski...

"The Jewish delegation was supposed to fly with the president, according to Warsaw Rabbi Meir Stembler. 'The delegation canceled its participation after it was understood that that plane was to fly on the Sabbath,' he said." (Observing Sabbath Saved Life of Poland's Chief Rabbi)

Was the death of Poland's President Kaczynski an accident?

This is the question asked by Kurt Nimmo at Infowars.com on 12 April 2010 (Did Global Elite Kill Polish President Kaczynski?)

Kurt Nimmo points out:

1. Poland declined to be a victim of the bankster loan sharking operation.

2. Poland was the only member of the European Union to have experienced growth in 2009.

3. In April 2010, Czech Central Bank Vice Deputy Mojmir Hampl said the IMF fueled Eastern Europe's crisis to create a situation that would compel regional states to request the help from the globalist loan sharking operation.

4. It looks like a pro-euro political leader may replace Kaczynski.

"Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk's pro-euro Civic Platform party is likely to cement its grip on power in a presidential election that must now be held by June after President Lech Kaczynski died in a plane crash," reports Bloomberg.

Kaczynski resisted adopting the euro.

Kaczynski was also the last EU leader to sign the Lisbon Treaty,

Kaczynski placed a euro-skeptic ally in charge of the central bank, Slawomir Skrzypek, who was also killed in the crash.

On 11 April 2010, James Buchanan wrote: "Poland was completely sold out by FDR and Churchill at Yalta...

"President Kaczynski had promised to go after Communist murderers, who had killed Poles during the long Communist occupation. Many of those war criminals were Jews..." (Was Polish President Murdered in Staged Plane Crash? Rebel News ...)

On 11 April 2010, Tom Mysiewicz wrote: "In the mid 1930s, Poland was encouraged with false and/or unfulfillable defense promises to goad Germany into starting the Second World War.

"Roosevelt, Churchill and Samuel Untermeyer (Samuel Untermyer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) got their war and Poland quickly got overrun and divided by Germany and the USSR.

"On the orders of Stalin and certain Jewish Communist officials, 20,000 Poles–the officers and nobility who were the cream of Poland's elite–were treacherously murdered at Katyn Forest.

"And the crime was blamed on the Germans, when the Allies knew full well their "ally" had done it.

"I have no doubts the crime was approved at the highest levels in London and Washington (and New York) and this while Polish soldiers bravely gave their lives fighting for the "Allied" cause."

Whaler · April 14, 2010, 03:45:16 PM

Got this from another forum: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php ... #msg990956

Observing Sabbath Saved Life of Poland's Chief Rabbi
by Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu
IsraelNationalNews.com

QuoteA Jewish delegation from Poland, including the American-born Chief Rabbi Michael Schudrich, was spared from certain death by refusing to violate the Sabbath to fly with President Lech Kaczynski.

The president, his wife, his military chief of staff and senior political leaders were killed on Saturday when the plane crashed en route to a Russian city.

The Jewish delegation was supposed to fly with the president, according to Warsaw Rabbi Meir Stembler. "The delegation canceled its participation after it was understood that that plane was to fly on the Sabbath," he said.

"They planned to say Kaddish [the mourner's prayer] at the planned commemoration ceremony in a Russian city, marking 70 years since the Soviet murder of 20,000 Poles.

Rabbi Stembler said that President Kaczynski was personally responsible for helping with the construction of a Jewish museum in the location of the former Jewish ghetto in Warsaw and which is to be dedicated in the near future. President Kaczynski helped promote and encourage the building project when he was mayor of Warsaw and continued his efforts as president.

"The relation between the Jewish community and the president was very strong," the rabbi said. "He took care of all of its needs, not just in words but also in deeds. There were not any major events where he did not honor the community with his presence."

The crash on Saturday wiped out a large part of the elite establishment of the government, and it is not clear why the government took the risk of allowing all of them to fly on one plane. The pilot, who also died in the crash, was blamed for ignoring Russian air controllers' advice not to try to land under severe weather conditions.

sullivan · April 14, 2010, 04:42:20 PM

Quote from: "Whaler"Was the death of Poland's President Kaczynski an accident?

This is the question asked by Kurt Nimmo at Infowars.com on 12 April 2010 (Did Global Elite Kill Polish President Kaczynski?)

Um, yes it certainly appears to be an accident, despite the numerous poorly argued conspiracy theories floating around. Try landing any aircraft in dense fog without the aid of an Instrument Landing System and you'll find out why it is very likely to be an accident. The poor visibility was the reason for the multiple attempts to land, leading to the final fatal landing attempt. The Smolensk-Severny airfield isn't equipped with a standard ILS, it uses the older Soviet-era SP-50 system. The Polish Tupolev TU-154M had this SP-50 system removed during a refurb and replaced with a standard ILS.

ATC had advised the pilot not to attempt a landing and suggested that the flight be redirected to either Moscow in Russia or Minsk in Belarus, both of which are more or less equidistant from Smolensk. There are rumours are that Pres. Kaczysnki insisted the pilot attempt to land, as the Polish group were already late. In any event, the pilot made three failed attempts at a blind approach and crashed short of the runway on the fourth.

§N9sh2bj · April 15, 2010, 02:54:20 PM

what I was thinking, sullivan: why does a modern aircraft with instrumentation crash in common fog?
That's an easy landing by instrument; no cross-winds or other foul weather, the pilot just can't see. :eh:

Now that you described some of the blank details, polish airstrips do not have instrument-landing equipment installed at airports the president is planning to land at? :roll: I'd think that'd be a given both would have them. Re-enforces a phrase 'polish'.

Very suspicious, though.

Whaler · April 20, 2010, 02:23:40 PM

"HOLY CRAP! The guy who filmed the shots fired at the POLISH PLANE CRASH WAS ASSASSINATED"
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum ... 043379/pg1

Slowed down video:

[youtube:302jzqqy]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxIFh3NkEvM[/youtube]302jzqqy]

Wacky conspiracy theory???

GordZilla · April 20, 2010, 07:30:44 PM

Quote from: "Whaler""HOLY CRAP! The guy who filmed the shots fired at the POLISH PLANE CRASH WAS ASSASSINATED"
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum ... 043379/pg1

Slowed down video:

[youtube:2eyl3i39]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxIFh3NkEvM[/youtube]2eyl3i39]

Wacky conspiracy theory???

Ok if the translations are accurate (I'd assume they are), and if we could really see - clearly -what happened there in the footage and finally if we can be sure that the man that filmed this has indeed been murdered. Then yeah this is big. However as easy as it is for me to believe there are 'Zoinists' hands behind this it still does remain only speculation. I think we have to be careful here and let the cards play out first before drawing our hand.

Father Brown · April 20, 2010, 08:53:37 PM

Quick question. I assume this footage was shot right after plane went down, correct? Where is all the fog?

SolusInAeternum2 · April 20, 2010, 10:26:01 PM

I enlarged the part of the video with the guy raising his arm using slightly higher quality footage:

SolusInAeternum2 · April 21, 2010, 12:19:39 PM

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Whaler · April 21, 2010, 01:59:00 PM

SolusInAeternum2, great job on the video.

I will make my video a response to your video. Check your youtube inbox and approve my video response. That should give you some more views.

This is the the video I uploaded. 116,000 views and still going.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX6ztLe4QLY

SolusInAeternum2 · April 21, 2010, 04:43:11 PM

Thanks, Whaler. Feel free to re-post it. The clip is here in LJPEG (lossless jpeg) format.

brandon dean · April 21, 2010, 10:44:37 PM

" Author of the video seen by everyone by now has been stabbed near Kijow on 4.15 and transported in critical condition to the hospital in Kijow. On 4.16 three unidentified individuals unplugged him from life support system and stabbed him 3 more times. Andrij was pronounced dead that afternoon. Russian government claims it was a coincidence. "

Link to original article in polish

source

brandon dean · April 21, 2010, 10:48:15 PM

the person who took this video was assassinated in his hospital bed after surviving a stabbing.

watch this – with slow motion and zoom, it clearly shows live people at the plane crash, someone says "don't shoot me!" then there are gunshots, then you see someone running, more gunshots, then he falls. this is insane. we have a major political assassination on video!

[youtube:gfvttjsm]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxIFh3NkEvM[/youtube]gfvttjsm]

brandon dean · April 21, 2010, 10:55:20 PM

Was the Polish President killed over landmark gas deal?
By Jane Burgermeister

Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk is set to seal a key gas deal with Russia's Gazprom days after the death of opponents to the contract — including Polish President Lech Kaczynski — in a mysterious plane crash in Smolensk, Russia, reports Polskaweb.

Under the contract worth an estimated 100 billion dollars – the biggest business deal in the history of Poland – Poland is to increase its imports of Russian gas.

The contract to buy gas from Gazprom until 2037 will make Poland 100% dependent on Russian gas for the next 28 years in spite of the announcement of the discovery of huge gas reserves in Poland in April just before the memorial service in Katyn, Smolensk.

Poland could have 3 trillion cubic metres of reserves of shale gas, enough to satisfy domestic demand for more than 200 years.

Europe's gas reserves could jump 47% as a result of Poland's gas reserves, according to the Russian newspaper Kommersant.

Poland currently consumes 14bn cubic metres of gas a year and imports more than 70% of it from Russia.

The development of its own shale gas deposits could have allowed Poland to satisfy all its gas needs, and even export ga, becoming a competitor to Gazprom. Shale gas already accounts for up to 20% of US natural gas production.

President Lech Kaczynski and many other opposition party politicians, who were killed in a plane crash in Smolensk, had opposed the Gazprom deal.

Earlier this year, Russian energy giant Gazprom and Polish gas monopoly, PGNiG, signed agreements extending gas deliveries until 2045. Under one of the agreements, Gazprom gas supplies to Poland will increase from 8 to 11 billion cubic meters per year and the current agreement will be extended by 15 years, through 2037.

But the deal was put on ice after the opposition party had threatened legal action over the contract which was so disadvantageous to Poland's economic and energy interests, alleging ,,lobbying" (bribery?).

Kaczynski said that he was ,,deeply worried" about the contract which would have made Poland even more dependent on Russian gas for 28 years.

It was also argued that Poland already had a contract with Russia until 2022, and there was no need to rush into a 30 year contract.

In addition, customers in Germany could face higher gas prices because of an expansion of Gazprom's and PGNiG's monopoly of the production and transport of gas.

US energy companies such as Exxon have also been given generous incentives by Tusk to develop the shale gas reserves – when Polish companies could use the new technology.

A verbal agreement between Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and was struck at the Katyn memorial service in Smolensk just days before the death of Kaczynski and other opponents to the deal, and formal documents are soon to be signed, says Polskaweb, asking whether Kaczynski was murdered over the gas.

Gazprom has also just begun construction on the Nord Stream pipeline, designed to pump Russian natural gas to Europe and running through the territorial waters of Finland, Sweden, Denmark and Germany.

It is easy to see how Gazprom, Exxon and other energy companies could benefit from removing the main obstacles to their exploitation of the gas reserves in an engineered plane crash, though investigations have yet to be concluded and are unlikely to yield results as they are in the hands of Russian and also Polish prosecutors widely believed to be in the hands of the government.

The sound of four gun shots on a video suggest members of the crew of the crashed plane were murdered. The same video was shown, however, on Russian TV shortly after the accident without shots, raising questions about which version of the video is authentic.

It has also emerged the allegedly dead pilot stopped Kaczysnki from flying to an EU summit in Brussels by reporting sick at short notice.

No trace of the dead pilot's body has been found at the scene of the crash. It has been speculated another pilot was in the plane.

This raises questions about which voices are on the black box and whether the voices are authentic or not.

Photos posted by Polskaweb show the sun shining on Smolensk airfield just 40 minutes before the crash, which was allegedly due to dense fog. Photos taken one hour later show the runway lamps being changed – also in sunny conditions.

source

brandon dean · April 21, 2010, 10:56:30 PM

haha sorry admins, but I posted this accidentally in this thread. if you want to split it or move it to a proper thread, please do. my apologies...

Whaler · April 21, 2010, 10:57:57 PM

1ttlpwij]

Whaler · April 21, 2010, 11:12:15 PM

Total MSM blackout of this story...unbelievable.
edit: Brandon, I linked to Wizard of Oswald in my video description.

brandon dean · April 21, 2010, 11:37:35 PM

Quote from: "Whaler"Total MSM blackout of this story...unbelievable.
edit: Brandon, I linked to Wizard of Oswald in my video description.

thanks whaler. where are you talking about?

MikeWB · April 21, 2010, 11:42:47 PM

Quote from: "brandon dean"haha sorry admins, but I posted this accidentally in this thread. if you want to split it or move it to a proper thread, please do. my apologies...

Brandon, it's OK! It's better if we have less threads and few that have all the info about a particular subject inside of them. Less searching and it's easier for people to find.

brandon dean · April 21, 2010, 11:45:30 PM

Quote from: "MikeWB"
Quote from: "brandon dean"haha sorry admins, but I posted this accidentally in this thread. if you want to split it or move it to a proper thread, please do. my apologies...

Brandon, it's OK! It's better if we have less threads and few that have all the info about a particular subject inside of them. Less searching and it's easier for people to find.

well good deal then...

Whaler · April 21, 2010, 11:50:26 PM

Quote from: "brandon dean"
Quote from: "Whaler"Total MSM blackout of this story...unbelievable.
edit: Brandon, I linked to Wizard of Oswald in my video description.

thanks whaler. where are you talking about?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX6ztLe4QLY

look right below the video player, there is a category box where you put links and info.

brandon dean · April 22, 2010, 12:11:18 AM

Quote from: "Whaler"
Quote from: "brandon dean"
Quote from: "Whaler"Total MSM blackout of this story...unbelievable.
edit: Brandon, I linked to Wizard of Oswald in my video description.

thanks whaler. where are you talking about?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX6ztLe4QLY

look right below the video player, there is a category box where you put links and info.

oh nice one - I just subscribed to your channel. thanks...

wow, 115,000 views! nice...

§N9sh2bj · April 22, 2010, 06:24:27 AM

The polish video says at the end:
"I do not know how things really were. Poprostru analyzed by the record. I have no idea how things really were. Sorry for spelling mistakes in the film but hastened fitting it all in August. JW - I wonder this recording, period." Not an important disclaimer of sorts.

§N9sh2bj · April 22, 2010, 06:27:36 AM

Quote from: "brandon dean"By Jane BurgermeisterPhotos posted by Polskaweb show the sun shining on Smolensk airfield just 40 minutes before the crash, which was allegedly due to dense fog. Photos taken one hour later show the runway lamps being changed – also in sunny conditions.

There goes the fog theory, sullivan.

I admit I fell for it, for awhile.

mgt23 · April 22, 2010, 07:23:33 AM

" Author of the video seen by everyone by now has been stabbed near Kijow on 4.15 and transported in critical condition to the hospital in Kijow. On 4.16 three unidentified individuals unplugged him from life support system and stabbed him 3 more times. Andrij was pronounced dead that afternoon. Russian government claims it was a coincidence. "

Read more: http://gazbom.blogspot.com/2010/04/guy- ... z0lp6rLQKt