Why is Henry Makow promoting SubvertedNation?

[anarchore]

How many Americans are anti-Amerikan govt?  Isn't America the most evil country still, when you do the body counts?

sigh, do I have to remind you of who controls Jewmerica.. i mean.. America?

Your logic seems to be like this:

Just because some Americans are anti-American govt, the majority aren't... well you got to wake up the majority!  

I think the majority of americans are anti-government now. But it took them so long to come around and they're coming around for the wrong reasons. People are only starting to get mad now because the economy is horrid and they are being personally affected by gov't actions. This in essence shows the greedy nature of most Americans and American society in general. Why is America so cruel and greedy? Well because Jewish money-power is centered there. Jews feverishly promote these liberal &  degrading individualistic and self-serving philosophies into the american psyche. This is why America is so fucked up. That's what I believe anyway...

Seems pretty shallow to point at the J-ws, when it is the petri dish of American depravity(not that some of them don't contribute to it, but it was there before slaughter of the natives, etc slaugher of X people in X country... how come people don't like to hear these facts... the leftist view of history is mostly the correct one) that gave them such a good home.

You act like Jews didn't exist until the 20th-21st century and that everything bad that happened before then couldn't be by their hand. did they spring up out of thin air? They were involved in all of these atrocities that you mention to some degree. They were central in the formation of America and the African slave trade. Jewish owned distilleries dumped all the alcohol into Native communities and got them all drunk. Jews are not the sole perpetrators of these crimes but their role is always a central one. I believe they are the ringleaders, but you want me to focus on the collaborators, the greedy gentile beneficiaries who collaborate/participate with the Jews, but whose evil actions do not have an agenda, but instead is based on personal gain.

I think you're too wrapped up in the details to see the bigger picture. Stop pretending to be confused by the fact that not every jew is involved and that there are some non-jews involved. This is a case where you are trying to be too sophisticated, too reasonable and too fair... this will end up getting us all killed.

But unless the whole social arrangement changes there is always the corruption.  It is the way of the world today, but why blame people?

Blame systems.  

You have to have a wholistic analysis, or you go back to the same shitte..

I mean come on, we all grew up in the environment of capitalism and usury that the J-w invented.

It ain't gonna go away just because you get rid of the group that started it.

It will probably be even more corporate terror-state, with the police enjoying the priviledge to confiscate J-wish property.

This was one of Curt May'tard's 'solutions' to the J-wish problem, confiscate all their property first... no!  Questionable character BO'C also advocated this, and detention for all J-ws... as if this would make society better!

Guys like AA think they're so radical, but they're really boring and unpopular(many comments on his site are sock puppets), and their message of disengaging yourself intellectually is echoed in your comment about trying to be 'too fair'.

So no, we won't be conforming, I won't "get with the program", and frankly maybe Khanaverse was more right than many are comfortable with.

We need radical anti-authoritarian solutions.

We need to have a society where a group cannot just buy their way in, and exploit the majority... really do you want more of the same?  What's next is the Chinese will come and sell you gas for the J-ws, while quietly taking over in the confusion. Maybe they'll even put out a 'nationalist' figurehead.  Anyway good that you don't like fascism, but what are you for?

We need a system that can't be corrupted, and the only way to get to that is to eliminate exploitive power relations.

I wonder what your economic situation is?  By my estimate you're a rich kid in some Pennsylvania estate, because you don't really have a full perspective, on class or much else other than a laser focus on this J-wish question(which you do well)... that apparently doesn't leave you time to more fully develope yourself intellectually.

Philosophy is what will save us, not getting rid of a group of people.

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[anarchore]

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[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Why is Henry Makow promoting SubvertedNation?

Ummm.... maybe because he's Jewish and doesn't want to get kicked out of America when "the Goyim Revolution" comes?
He wants to be behind the "Boot of Goy Fury"  rather than in front of it...when it comes a kicking ?  Lace'em up...  :lol:

What would America be like without Jews? Imagine, if you can...   :up:

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

I wonder what your economic situation is?  By my estimate you're a rich kid in some Pennsylvania estate, because you don't really have a full perspective, on class or much else other than a laser focus on this J-wish question(which you do well)... that apparently doesn't leave you time to more fully develope yourself intellectually.

If I was rich I obviously would not be on this forum as I would have nothing to worry about...

I'm not sure what your mission is. Rid the world of corruption? I think you are overestimating your capabilities at this point, unless you are Christ and have returned to save the world. These things aren't feasible in the least, at least not yet. By the looks of it you're advocating that the Jews be left alone and allowed to run amok?

Let me just ask you this. I'm not suggesting anything just asking a question here. If there were no Jews in the U.S., Canada, England, the west in general, do you honestly believe that even half of the horrible things that have happened in the past 10 years, would still have happened without them?

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

But unless the whole social arrangement changes there is always the corruption.  It is the way of the world today, but why blame people?

Blame systems.

Ahh I see, blame the gun instead of the person pulling the trigger. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. System = gun. Jews = trigger pullers. But it seems awfully convenient for the Jews -- who have caused so much strife and destruction -- that you're willing to overlook their faults, forgive their crimes, sidestep accountability, derail the course of justice, ignore the central role they have played in the disintegration of modern civilization, and gratuitously place all of the blame on an inanimate object, or in this case an idea/philosophy.  :think:

[anarchore]

But unless the whole social arrangement changes there is always the corruption.  It is the way of the world today, but why blame people?

Blame systems.

Ahh I see, blame the gun instead of the person pulling the trigger. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. System = gun. Jews = trigger pullers. But it seems awfully convenient for the Jews -- who have caused so much strife and destruction -- that you're willing to overlook their faults, forgive their crimes, sidestep accountability, derail the course of justice, ignore the central role they have played in the disintegration of modern civilization, and gratuitously place all of the blame on an inanimate object, or in this case an idea/philosophy.  :think:

Yeah well we could exterminate/rob/deport them all, but what of the Americans... oh riiiight you say the Americans are brainwashed by the Zionist J-ws... but aren't the J-ws brainwashed as well, so you excuse one group of people for their bloodlusts, and redeem another, because they're "brainwashed"... well they're all brainwashed.

The fact is, the system creates the evil people that perpetuate it.  Getting rid of J-ws doesn't do anything, it never was a permanent solution for any society, because they just got rid of the J-ws and keep the exploitive system, the propaganda etc.  

You say that blaming systems and ideas is defending the evil doers, no, quite the opposite.

Those holding the reigns of exploitation need to be dethroned, and their evil property-exploitive system shut down.

Then it doesn't start up again..

You don't seem to Grok that the J_w/usury system is not going away using your method.... and you have no solutions other than blame a group of people, some of whom are guilty.. but we should think your way.   :crazy:

[anarchore]

Hossain reminds me of this Hasan the Ft Hood Shooter... how does a Bangladeshi student Muslim Radical end up being a landlord in Toronto?  Doesn't make sense... and now he has convenienty fled Canada after his propaganda mission in Canada on behalf of the J-ws was successful.  

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum ... 920335/pg1

http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/225310

How does a 16 year old Palestinian from near Jerusalem immigrate by himself to the United States, with enough money to bring his wife one month later, and then open up two businesses? And why pick Roanoke? Does he have family back in Jerusalem, and why did he come by himself, with just his wife? According to the Roanoke local paper, Nidal Hasan was born in Arlington to Palestinian immigrants from near Jerusalem who moved to Roanoke and later settled in Vinton, Ramada Road. By what measure were they "Palestinian", since at that time Yaser Arafat of the PLO did not even declare Palestinian statehood until 1988 (in exile)? His father, Malik Awadallah Hasan, and his mother, Hanan Ismail "Nora" Hasan, ran the infamous Capitol Restaurant on theRoanoke City Market from 1987 to 1995, which the Roanoke Times states "was a dive beer hall and diner with a bad reputation and a lot of down-and-out regulars..the Hasans closed the Capitol to open the short-lived, Mediterranean-themed Mount Olive on Jefferson Street." They also owned the Community Grocery Store on Elm Avenue in Roanoke. He had two brothers, his brothers, Eyad and Anas, and Hasan's father died in 1998. Neighbors on Ramada Road said he died of a heart attack in the house. Hasan's mother died three years later. Neighbors said she had kidney disease.

http://www.roanoke.com/news/breaking/wb/225326

Roanoke City (web) Schools confirms Hasan attended William Fleming High School for one year and graduated in 1988.

http://www.wset.com/news/stories/1109/675793.html

But why only one year? If his parents had enough money and were rooted enough in the community to have several businesses, wouldn't he be listed in all of the years? Or maybe he went to a different school locally or elsewhere, which we haven't heard anything about yet???

The Roanoke Times articles state the following: Virginia Tech confirms that he was not a member of the Virginia Tech Corps of Cadets, nor was he a member of any ROTC program at Virginia Tech. But The Associated Press reported he commissioned in the Army as a captain and was promoted to major in May. The Washington Post reported he enlisted in the Army after high school." His parents didn't want him to go into the military," said Nader Hasan, a cousin in Northern Virginia. "He said, 'No, I was born and raised here, I'm going to do my duty to the country.' ""He would tell us the military was his life," Hasan's aunt, Noel Hasan of Falls Church, told the Post. He "did not make many friends." He was unmarried and had no children. The strange thing is that out of all the neighbors that lived around him, the one we hear the most from is a lady that goes by the name of Patricia Villa (39), who moved in only a month ago...
see http://www.roanoke.com/news/breaking/wb/225326 .

Of course, it's also strange that Seung-Hui Cho, the mass-shooter of 2008, was also from Virginia Tech, small world, eh? I found an article about how Virginia Tech received an Award to create an engineering-oriented center for the intelligence community. The article states that "While engineering oriented, the program strives for cross-disciplinary involvement, and students from all majors who have an interest in pursuing national security careers can reap benefits."

(see http://www.newsleader.com/article/20091 ... 1/1002/Vir​ ginia+Tech++Howard+University+partner++receive+award+to+crea​ te+engineering-oriented+center+for+intelligence+community+ ).

See also Intelligence and Information Warfare, http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/75M ... my-Informa​ tion-Warfare-Support-under-TESS-Contract-05923/

From there, they have many opportunities, such as this:Information warfare money seems to get doled out to companies in the area ( see CACI Awarded $75 Million Task Order to Continue Support for U.S. Army Rapid Development Fielding Initiatives ,

finance.yahoo.com/news/CACI-Awarded-75-Million-Task-prnews​ -2283101993.html?x=0&.v=1 ).

The article talks about money for I2WD (Intelligence and Information Warfare Directorate), CERDEC (Communications-Electronics Research, Development and Engineering Center), all under TESS(Technical Engineering Support Services) contracts.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/75M ... Army-Infor​ mation-Warfare-Support-under-TESS-Contract-05923/

Wierd stuff happening at Virginia Tech, with information warfare and who-knows-what going on...Google the phrase "Virginia Tech Information Warfare"...

In summary, the info warfare angle might or might not be a legitimate angle, but the articles posted indicate that the "devout Muslim" spin on the story needs a second look, and the "Palestinian" might in fact be an arab jew, or at least an Israeli arab of a more secular persuasion, since Hasan's father can to the United States at 16 years old and opened up a rather infamous beer joint.

http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/225310

Doesn't sound like something that a devout Muslim family would do.

Hasan himself went to strip clubs on a regular basis, and was considered a good tipper.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... usa/654690​ 5/Fort-Hood-killer-Nidal-Malik-Hasan-visited-lapdancing-club​.html

It could also indicate not just that Hasan might not be really "Muslim", but also that he might not be "arab". I'm thinking along the lines of these two articles, the existence of the arab jews...which sounds like a contridiction in terms, but it means probably mixed marriages which produce in the children arab ethnic features which override the jewish ethnic features, but still jewish religiously ...

1. Jews of the Arab http://www.bintjbeil.com/articles/en/02 ... bjews.html

"They speak Arabic. They listen to Arabic music. They eat Arabic food....

2. "Last week, the campaign received a major fillip when one of Israel's largest political parties announced that restitution of property for Arab Jews was a central plank of its platform for the general election scheduled for February."

aljazeera.com/news/articles/42/Justice-for-Palestinians-an​ d-Jews-linked.html

3. HAARETZ: MI figures out what went wrong in Lavon affair - 55 years later

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1127384.html

Remember, a unit of Israeli army called Sayeret Mat'kal (The Unit), which has been involved in the assassination of anti-Zionist regime leadership both inside and outside the occupied Palestine. This unit was created in 1957 and one of its specialty is its agents work in disguise by donning Arab garbs (known in Hebrew as Mista'aravim).

[brandon dean]

The fact is, the system creates the evil people that perpetuate it. Getting rid of J-ws doesn't do anything, it never was a permanent solution for any society, because they just got rid of the J-ws and keep the exploitive system, the propaganda etc.

sorry, gotta disagree with you here.  humans created the system, not the reverse.  god/nature/however-you-want-to-look-at-it created the people who EXPLOIT the system.  the byzantine empire was jew-free for 1200 years, and that's why they lasted 1200 years, (coincidentally, that's why we don't hear about the byzantines in history class) the most successful christian civilization in HISTORY.  the egyptian empire lasted more than two thousand years, and was not destroyed until they started importing foreign workers, including future "hebrews."  the hebrews were a working class in egypt, not a race, which was a collection of many different ethnic groups (thus twelve tribes when they finally got their own land).  the word "jew" itself was taken from the Judah tribe, and it wasn't applied to the rest of the israeli tribes until much later.

the english king kicked the jews out of england for over 600 years, and in that six hundred years managed to create the magna carta, common law, and the most successful currency in history (the tally stick).  it is JEWISH history which tells us these were the "dark ages." meanwhile, amazing cathedrals and other works of technology were being used by these "dark age" people.  the most laughable thing about the jewish dark ages is the non-mention of the byzantine empire.  the second most successful civilization in western history, ahead of the rest of the world in most respects, totally ignored, because it was christian, and did not allow jews to hold positions of power.

whether you agree with the systems which were in place in these empires or not is irrelevant.  go read the protocols.  they tell you explicitly why a)these systems of civilization had to be wiped out, and b)why christianity is targeted.  christianity is not even targeted because the jews think it's correct--it's targeted because of the hope and faith it inspires in humans.  regardless of how fair the system of the byzantine empire was, it represented the pinnacle of christian society, which rejects the tenants of judaism/talmudism.  the system of royal christian emperors or kings was, in the eyes of the "elders of zion" themselves, the only thing standing between total jewish domination of the western world and the freedom of the western world.

I know where you're coming from, because I've been into punk rock my whole life.  more the idealism than the music...  but listen to what monkeyseemonkeydo said.  you are arguing that an intangible system is responsible for the acts of tangible human beings.  sorry, but we have free will, to abide by unjust systems, or to change them.  the "system" doesn't make me do anything, and therefore I see that it's possible for others within the system to be free themselves, no matter how corrupt one may be, or how corrupt a system may be.  people do not follow systems--they generally follow the party line, or the accepted truth.  they follow the group, not the system.  no matter which system we're talking about, there will be followers and leaders.  the LEADERS are those whom the ziojews would love to exterminate if they won't succumb to money.  they could give a shit about the followers.  and that is my point: in your nickname is part of the word "anarchy."  anarchy is IMPOSSIBLE because of all the things I just mentioned.  in fact, anarchy was promoted by none other than our freindly ziojews.  there will always be followers and leaders, and the elders know this.  utter freedom for every human is an impossibility, for the simple reason that most people DON'T WANT IT.  they want, nay NEED, to be told what to do.  the only thing that has actually been destroyed in america and its SYSTEM is the true leaders.  the corrupt leaders are corrupted by money, and a true christian does not worship money, and therefore is less apt to be corrupted.  I am not christian, but these facts are more than obvious to me.

in my opinion, to blame a "system" for our problems is no different than blaming a german death cult for 9/11.  it is a way of pointing at the truth with your fingers crossed behind your back.  it relieves one of the responsibility of naming one's enemies.  pointing at shadows, unnameable figures, or vague systems as the culprit does nothing but perpetuate the virus that has infected our system.  a murderer is not found guilty by pointing at the system which "created" him, but by pointing at HIM.

history has proven that christian nations do better without rich jews buying all the politicians.  I believe most jews are exploited just like gentiles.  I've known too many poor jews to think they're all "behind it."  but we see what happens to civilizations, great or small, who exclude jews--they get ignored by history classes and mainstream media.  the only truly successful civilization in christian history was the only christian civilization which excluded jews from the very beginning.  civilizations are not ignored in history classes because they excluded muslims or christians--only jews.  thus, it is jews we are fighting--not a system.  maybe not all jews are our enemies (I certainly don't think they are), but their elite certainly are, and there are countless jews who profit from being a jew without knowing a damn thing about institutionalized jewish hatred for christianity and all things non-jewish.

why do you think the destruction of the US perfectly coincides with the influx of jewish immigrants at the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries?  they were certainly here before that, but that is when things truly started to fall to pot.

at this point, kicking jews out of the US wouldn't solve everything, but it would take away the constant gnawing at our society which elite jews perpetrate.  but they don't need to be kicked out or killed or anything like that.  they need to be educated, and they need to assimilate to the countries they emigrate to.  they need to be forced to assimilate, like every other culture should be forced to do when moving to a new land.  laws simply need to be enforced, not introduced.  there are already laws forbidding the crimes jews perpetrate.  there are laws forbidding media monopolies which should again be enforced.

in short, we are not fighting an idealism--we are fighting criminals.

[anarchore]

Brandon, with respect; you need to update your conception of anarchy.  I recomment http://attackthesystem.com to get you started.  No one is against people who are naturally more motivated and do more, in accordance with community ideals and the greater good.  

What needs to stop is the coercion that is created via exploitive property ownership, AKA the capitalism we are under today which is nothing but wage slavery for the honest and manipulation of their existing property for the bourgeoisie.  Funk that sheet!

Mr1001Nights makes things quite clear, in rebutting homestead theory.   :geek: :geek:

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sorry, gotta disagree with you here. humans created the system, not the reverse.

Yes humans created the system, and the system forces it's values to the people living under it.  Cf. the "property values", which all have us as slaves.  The Stasi had neighbours ratting on each other.  You have heard of Lobaczewski's work, no?  It has great merit.

Free ourselves from the system, and the Zios will be powerless.  People may have to hit rock bottom before they are receptive to new philosophies, and hopefully natural human values of kinship and mutual aid will predominate, rather than the competition that is forced upon us by artificial scarcity.

Think "post-scarcity".  Dig it.  :ugeek:

[brandon dean]

Brandon, with respect; you need to update your conception of anarchy.  I recomment http://attackthesystem.com to get you started.  No one is against people who are naturally more motivated and do more, in accordance with community ideals and the greater good.  

What needs to stop is the coercion that is created via exploitive property ownership, AKA the capitalism we are under today which is nothing but wage slavery for the honest and manipulation of their existing property for the bourgeoisie.  Funk that sheet!

Mr1001Nights makes things quite clear, in rebutting homestead theory.   :geek: :geek:

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sorry, gotta disagree with you here. humans created the system, not the reverse.

Yes humans created the system, and the system forces it's values to the people living under it.  Cf. the "property values", which all have us as slaves.  The Stasi had neighbours ratting on each other.  You have heard of Lobaczewski's work, no?  It has great merit.

Free ourselves from the system, and the Zios will be powerless.  People may have to hit rock bottom before they are receptive to new philosophies, and hopefully natural human values of kinship and mutual aid will predominate, rather than the competition that is forced upon us by artificial scarcity.

Think "post-scarcity".  Dig it.  :ugeek:

this is a good discussion, and I have a couple points to make.  first, I'm pretty aware of the current "conception" of anarchism.  there are many different facets of anarchism to be sure.  there are the socialist anarchists for one, and the libertarian anarchists for two (see www.strike-the-root.com for an example if you don't already know that site).  but these are the minority everywhere except for internet chat forums.  they have some good ideas and arguments, I'll agree.  but the success of anarchy is predicated upon a universal recognition or acceptance of one idealism.  without everyone accepting anarchy, or without some mass-awakening of humanity as a whole, anarchy is impossible.  each little pocket of humanity which disagrees with anarchy would have to wiped out in order for anarchy to exist and survive.  each man who has no desire or ability to help themselves will look to others (leaders) for help.  if all systems and therefore governments fell apart today, right now, within a year or two there would be thousands of new little countries, where leaders (corrupt or not) would take control over the sheep-like masses.  within a few years, the larger and more powerful of these countries would conquer the smaller countries, and we'd be right back where we are today.  this is human mentality, not zio-infiltration.  ziojews simply know how to manipulate this innate tendency in man to look for the guidance of a more confident man.

secondly, and without being condescending hopefully at all, I think you should listen up for a second, so I can explain what "property rights" means.  yes, land and property are used to exploit others.  but just like money isn't evil in and of itself, land and property are just tools used to exploit--property ownership itself does not imply corruption or exploitation.  property rights are based not on land or physical objects, but on intellectual property.  it is god's, or nature's law.  your body and mind are your property.  that's the basis for property rights--that you OWN YOURSELF, just like in anarchy.  therefore, in a society which respects property rights, slavery cannot exist.  physical property is included in property rights of course, but the basic tenet that you own yourself is the foundation.  in a republican system, one cannot legally infringe on another's property rights.  the common law system in the US, which was immediately under attack by big bankers from the very beginning, provided a basis for men to demand their rights.
the US constitution is a double-edged sword, just like freedom itself.  freedom comes with responsibility.  the constitution provides the right to open contract, which means we have the right to contract ourselves into slavery, or to choose not to.  this is also true in canada.  using tricky legal words that sound like common words, ziojews have fooled americans into ignorantly contracting themselves into slavery.  everything from the form signed to get a driver license to an income tax return are legal contracts.  in fact, most things you sign are legal contracts in one form or another.  if you want the modern day conveniences that ziojews have claimed for themselves, you must sign their forms and play their games.  but this does not force anyone to play their games.  can you imagine early americans signing a contract to be able to drive their wagons, or hunt, or build a house, or buy a gun?  hell no, because it infringed on their rights as sovereigns.  we've been slowly tenderized over the last two hundred years like a steak, and only now are they really attempting to throw us in the oven.  but the only thing it ever took for the true american system of common law to work was for the individual to demand it.  the only thing it takes for a contractually enslaved person to become free is for them to declare it, and to refuse to take part in their own slavery.
I am personally right now as free as any man could possibly be.  I do not pay what I feel to be unjust taxes, and I don't abide by unjust laws.  I live where I choose to live, I buy what I choose to buy (no influence from TV because the TV in my house only plays movies that I want it to play), and I participate in what I choose to participate in.  all within this supposedly totally corrupt system.  I am not held down by anyone, and if I feel like I am, I break free from it, whatever it takes.  
freedom is a choice, not an idealism.  there is no ideal state of freedom.  that would be heaven, not earth.  common law (god's, or nature's law) refers to all men, not just americans.  in other words, god or nature gave these rights to men, and we have them whether we use them or not, and whether we demand them or not.  you cannot take away inherent rights--you can only fool people into thinking they don't exist.

maybe it's just a difference of perspective, but I see the US republican system, uncorrupted and untainted with jewiness and other crap, as the closest thing to total freedom which man has achieved as a group.  ho chi minh was an admirer of the US constitution and declaration of independence, which he kept a copy of on his wall.  if the US government hadn't ignored his diplomatic overtures, he never would have gone to the communist chinese for funding.  my point is that the (uncorrupted) US system is respected the world over for a reason.

I respect your outlook, to be sure, and I can actually relate with it somewhat, but I still see anarchy-in any form-as another idealism which is nice to think about, but which is impossible in practice.  without a common law, there is no societal cohesion, and there is no international commerce, for good or evil.  which means there is no international trade, which means there is isolationism everywhere, and no exchange of ideas.  flat out anarchy would bring humans into a state of primitiveness, not because anarchy is equivalent to chaos, but because it would be a primitive idea enforced on a modern world.  I can see good and bad sides to it, but it remains an intangible concept, and a hope.  the whole idea resides on hope, rather than action.  hope that all humanity will some day see the error of its ways, and evolve to a  higher natural state.  republicanism is not predicated on everyone attaining a new level of awareness, but on a common interest in personal freedom and property rights.  that makes republicanism realistic, and anarchy unrealistic, at least to me.

I've known countless "anarchists" in my life, and I know that most of them would barely be able to understand this conversation, let alone be interested in following it.  like most things in life, for most people anarchy is an aesthetic preference before it is their actual ideal.  they are anarchists because they dress weird, and reject everything society offers them.  that obviously does not make them anarchists, but isolationists.  there are some, and apparently you're included in this, who think about it on a much deeper level, but you are in the minority as far as my experience is concerned.

I would like to hear your take on what I just wrote.  I didn't base this on internet research or reading anything.  I base my opinion on anarchy from personal experience.  most of the anarchists I've met are grown children searching to escape responsibility, as opposed to dedicated freedom fighters.

besides all of this, the protocols of zion explicitly state that they want anarchy, and they promote anarchy.  they are promoting chaos, which, even though that is not what anarchy (government of the one) means, it will, as the elders well knew, lead to chaos.  they can then step in and give all the lost souls liberation from their own freedom, which most people don't even really want, let alone deserve through inaction.

I have a lot more to say on the subject, but I don't want to spit it all out right now, for fear of losing the point of this reply.

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

Yeah well we could exterminate/rob/deport them all, but what of the Americans... oh riiiight you say the Americans are brainwashed by the Zionist J-ws... but aren't the J-ws brainwashed as well, so you excuse one group of people for their bloodlusts, and redeem another, because they're "brainwashed"... well they're all brainwashed.

I don't see anything wrong or inhumane with separation. It's the only solution to the Jewish-Gentile conflict. We're talking about a group of people who have personally committed and/or financed, orchestrated and/or supported the genocide of tens if not hundreds of millions of people via state communism, revolutions, proxy wars, false flag terrorism, etc, and you're getting all teary eyed and empathetic when someone merely suggests something as harmless as deportation? What a fucking hymie-ass pussy you are!

The fact is, the system creates the evil people that perpetuate it.  Getting rid of J-ws doesn't do anything,

Bold face lie! Remove the jews from a society and the society is a thousand times healthier -- physically, morally, spiritually, politically, economically -- in every way. The corruption would be VASTLY reduced. Let me make this perfectly clear... in the past decade alone, much -- if not MOST -- of the horrible things that have occurred would not have happened if Jews had not been in complete control of the West. The reason why mass expulsions of jews was never successful in solving the jewish problem in the past is because they were disorganized expulsions which did not prevent the jews from just setting up shop somewhere else where they would just re-spin their spider web of corruption via infiltration, subversion and de-stabilization. The expulsion has to be meticulously planned and organized. You can't just expel them, but then allow them to go wherever they choose putting the jewish burden on another country -- what a horrible thing to do to a friend! You have to get them all in one place (Israel), lock them in, never let them out, and set up a 24/7 security watch to keep an eye on what they're doing. A committee made up of representatives from all nations should be formed and they should agree to oversee the construction of an international zoo to house and study these creatures.

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

Anarchore is a liar and he has tried to pull the wool over our eyes with petty diversions and lies.

He's consistently stated that society would not be better without Jews. Does anybody actually believe that?

The fact is, the system creates the evil people that perpetuate it. Getting rid of J-ws doesn't do anything,

He wants us to blame inanimate objects, or systems (i.e. ideas), for the actions of people.

But unless the whole social arrangement changes there is always the corruption.  It is the way of the world today, but why blame people?
Blame systems.

He wants us to beleive there is nothing inherently wrong with Judaism or Jewish culture. It's all the "systems" fault. The "system" didn't write the Talmud, Kabbalah, books of the Zohar, the Kol Nidre, or program Jews to believe they are "God's Chosen", literally his representatives on earth. That's the Jewish culture/religion.

He's even went as far as suggesting that society would be worse without the Jews involved. This is incredible.  

It will probably be even more corporate terror-state, with the police enjoying the priviledge to confiscate J-wish property.

Judge for yourself, but the stench coming off of anarchore is one of a typical Jewish anarchist imho...

[Free Truth]

MonkeySeeMonkeyDo,

you have reached the apogee of your negativity and arrogance in the last few days.

What's Paris Hilton been up to lately?

And you're calling members here names like "gossip gals" and ladies?

Really, who TF do you think you are :?:

I think you're taking drugs...

It's obvious to me that you've attributed yourself some sort of special status (I guess over the list you compiled...that I helped spread, asshole...) and feel that you're above anybody not producing whatever it is you feel they should be.
Disagree?

I, nor anybody else here, owe you or any other anything.
On top of that you don't know what I've done...
This is a discussion forum and I'm confident I've shared more than just my opinion here.
Are you on the hundreds of other members that are yet to make a single post?
No? I didn't think so...
That's just because you're immature about past threads... Speaking of past threads, it would be interesting to pull up some of the things you've said...

It really is time to throw in the towel

I am all about organizing to. take. them (not the "jews," [can you even define "jew?"] moron). out.

You've accused me of being a "subversive schemer" in another thread yet that is exactly what you have done in this thread and the other.
You have subverted this topic.
Disagree?
Isn't AA's activity that has apparently been uncovered here of interest to you?
Why are you minimizing this???

What's really something is that you, the all out anti-"jew," behave with an attitude exactly like a young hateful American goyim. Just like the "jews" want...
 
Disagree?

You even spoke insensitively about the Palestinians recently...

I figured you'd come back more mature after your pusillanimous hiatus but you're worse.
You are bankrupt in emotional intelligence.
You're knowledgeable, but terribly unwise.  
You seem to be a victim of Quest/Prothink/John.
You surely have more realizations to come to.
A piece of advice for you to get you started would be "if you don't have anything good to say then don't say anything." (unless it's totally necessary)

Wake up.
Are you done putting on a show yet?

If I ever meet you I will accept your apology...after you get your Free Truth bitch slap that you well deserve.

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

^^^ Gotta love self-righteous donks like the poster above. You're a really sensitive bloke I've noticed. You can't take an ounce of criticism but are lightning quick to dish it out. :clap: As usual, ur analysis is completely wrong and self-serving. No i don't think im better or smarter than anybody on the forum, nobody owes me a damn thing. I just have a habit of pointing out bullshit when I see it, and those perpetrating it. Sorry if that offends you...

im sure --since you have nothing better to do --  you have compiled a nice list of everything i've written and said past and present so you can point out any contradictions in my rhetoric, lol. Yeah, that's called EVOLVING... and it's nothing to be ashamed of. So nice try, but ... fail.

[anarchore]

Seconded.  The name-calling and accusations are not productive.

MonkeySeeMonkeyDo,

you have reached the apogee of your negativity and arrogance in the last few days.

What's Paris Hilton been up to lately?

And you're calling members here names like "gossip gals" and ladies?

Really, who TF do you think you are :?:

I think you're taking drugs...

It's obvious to me that you've attributed yourself some sort of special status (I guess over the list you compiled...that I helped spread, asshole...) and feel that you're above anybody not producing whatever it is you feel they should be.
Disagree?

I, nor anybody else here, owe you or any other anything.
On top of that you don't know what I've done...
This is a discussion forum and I'm confident I've shared more than just my opinion here.
Are you on the hundreds of other members that are yet to make a single post?
No? I didn't think so...
That's just because you're immature about past threads... Speaking of past threads, it would be interesting to pull up some of the things you've said...

It really is time to throw in the towel

I am all about organizing to. take. them (not the "jews," [can you even define "jew?"] moron). out.

You've accused me of being a "subversive schemer" in another thread yet that is exactly what you have done in this thread and the other.
You have subverted this topic.
Disagree?
Isn't AA's activity that has apparently been uncovered here of interest to you?
Why are you minimizing this???

What's really something is that you, the all out anti-"jew," behave with an attitude exactly like a young hateful American goyim. Just like the "jews" want...
 
Disagree?

You even spoke insensitively about the Palestinians recently...

I figured you'd come back more mature after your pusillanimous hiatus but you're worse.
You are bankrupt in emotional intelligence.
You're knowledgeable, but terribly unwise.  
You seem to be a victim of Quest/Prothink/John.
You surely have more realizations to come to.
A piece of advice for you to get you started would be "if you don't have anything good to say then don't say anything." (unless it's totally necessary)

Wake up.
Are you done putting on a show yet?

If I ever meet you I will accept your apology...after you get your Free Truth bitch slap that you well deserve.

[anarchore]

^^^ Gotta love self-righteous donks like the poster above. You're a really sensitive bloke I've noticed. You can't take an ounce of criticism but are lightning quick to dish it out. :clap: As usual, ur analysis is completely wrong and self-serving. No i don't think im better or smarter than anybody on the forum, nobody owes me a damn thing. I just have a habit of pointing out bullshit when I see it, and those perpetrating it. Sorry if that offends you...

im sure --since you have nothing better to do --  you have compiled a nice list of everything i've written and said past and present so you can point out any contradictions in my rhetoric, lol. Yeah, that's called EVOLVING... and it's nothing to be ashamed of. So nice try, but ... fail.

But those who try to help you evolve are 'anarchist J-ws', 'liars',

What a fucking hymie-ass pussy you are!

I've seen this pattern before.

The crypto-Zionist tries to wind up the moderates with name-calling and accusations.

When the moderates start doing the same thing, they are banned.

Is that what you're trying to do here?

I move that MSMD's admin-ship be revoked, until he demonstrates respect for civil discussion.

[maz]

This is getting ugly for no apparent reason and the accusations of being Jews reminds me of Huffshit/AA and is just silly. I didn't care about being called a "mocha drinking lady" by some kid on the internet, but now this shit is ridiculous. How bout some help here admins before we lose good members again.

[anarchore]

By the way, Salman Hossain, or someone claiming to be him just left a comment on the relevant thread on my site, that admits that he and Adam Austin are the creators of FiltyJewishTerrorists.com

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

The fact is, the system creates the evil people that perpetuate it. Getting rid of J-ws doesn't do anything, it never was a permanent solution for any society, because they just got rid of the J-ws and keep the exploitive system, the propaganda etc.

sorry, gotta disagree with you here.  humans created the system, not the reverse.  god/nature/however-you-want-to-look-at-it created the people who EXPLOIT the system.  the byzantine empire was jew-free for 1200 years, and that's why they lasted 1200 years, (coincidentally, that's why we don't hear about the byzantines in history class) the most successful christian civilization in HISTORY.  the egyptian empire lasted more than two thousand years, and was not destroyed until they started importing foreign workers, including future "hebrews."  the hebrews were a working class in egypt, not a race, which was a collection of many different ethnic groups (thus twelve tribes when they finally got their own land).  the word "jew" itself was taken from the Judah tribe, and it wasn't applied to the rest of the israeli tribes until much later.

the english king kicked the jews out of england for over 600 years, and in that six hundred years managed to create the magna carta, common law, and the most successful currency in history (the tally stick).  it is JEWISH history which tells us these were the "dark ages." meanwhile, amazing cathedrals and other works of technology were being used by these "dark age" people.  the most laughable thing about the jewish dark ages is the non-mention of the byzantine empire.  the second most successful civilization in western history, ahead of the rest of the world in most respects, totally ignored, because it was christian, and did not allow jews to hold positions of power.

whether you agree with the systems which were in place in these empires or not is irrelevant.  go read the protocols.  they tell you explicitly why a)these systems of civilization had to be wiped out, and b)why christianity is targeted.  christianity is not even targeted because the jews think it's correct--it's targeted because of the hope and faith it inspires in humans.  regardless of how fair the system of the byzantine empire was, it represented the pinnacle of christian society, which rejects the tenants of judaism/talmudism.  the system of royal christian emperors or kings was, in the eyes of the "elders of zion" themselves, the only thing standing between total jewish domination of the western world and the freedom of the western world.

I know where you're coming from, because I've been into punk rock my whole life.  more the idealism than the music...  but listen to what monkeyseemonkeydo said.  you are arguing that an intangible system is responsible for the acts of tangible human beings.  sorry, but we have free will, to abide by unjust systems, or to change them.  the "system" doesn't make me do anything, and therefore I see that it's possible for others within the system to be free themselves, no matter how corrupt one may be, or how corrupt a system may be.  people do not follow systems--they generally follow the party line, or the accepted truth.  they follow the group, not the system.  no matter which system we're talking about, there will be followers and leaders.  the LEADERS are those whom the ziojews would love to exterminate if they won't succumb to money.  they could give a shit about the followers.  and that is my point: in your nickname is part of the word "anarchy."  anarchy is IMPOSSIBLE because of all the things I just mentioned.  in fact, anarchy was promoted by none other than our freindly ziojews.  there will always be followers and leaders, and the elders know this.  utter freedom for every human is an impossibility, for the simple reason that most people DON'T WANT IT.  they want, nay NEED, to be told what to do.  the only thing that has actually been destroyed in america and its SYSTEM is the true leaders.  the corrupt leaders are corrupted by money, and a true christian does not worship money, and therefore is less apt to be corrupted.  I am not christian, but these facts are more than obvious to me.

in my opinion, to blame a "system" for our problems is no different than blaming a german death cult for 9/11.  it is a way of pointing at the truth with your fingers crossed behind your back.  it relieves one of the responsibility of naming one's enemies.  pointing at shadows, unnameable figures, or vague systems as the culprit does nothing but perpetuate the virus that has infected our system.  a murderer is not found guilty by pointing at the system which "created" him, but by pointing at HIM.

history has proven that christian nations do better without rich jews buying all the politicians.  I believe most jews are exploited just like gentiles.  I've known too many poor jews to think they're all "behind it."  but we see what happens to civilizations, great or small, who exclude jews--they get ignored by history classes and mainstream media.  the only truly successful civilization in christian history was the only christian civilization which excluded jews from the very beginning.  civilizations are not ignored in history classes because they excluded muslims or christians--only jews.  thus, it is jews we are fighting--not a system.  maybe not all jews are our enemies (I certainly don't think they are), but their elite certainly are, and there are countless jews who profit from being a jew without knowing a damn thing about institutionalized jewish hatred for christianity and all things non-jewish.

why do you think the destruction of the US perfectly coincides with the influx of jewish immigrants at the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries?  they were certainly here before that, but that is when things truly started to fall to pot.

at this point, kicking jews out of the US wouldn't solve everything, but it would take away the constant gnawing at our society which elite jews perpetrate.  but they don't need to be kicked out or killed or anything like that.  they need to be educated, and they need to assimilate to the countries they emigrate to.  they need to be forced to assimilate, like every other culture should be forced to do when moving to a new land.  laws simply need to be enforced, not introduced.  there are already laws forbidding the crimes jews perpetrate.  there are laws forbidding media monopolies which should again be enforced.

in short, we are not fighting an idealism--we are fighting criminals.

Well said Brandon!

[brandon dean]

thanks CSR...

[anarchore]

secondly, and without being condescending hopefully at all, I think you should listen up for a second, so I can explain what "property rights" means. yes, land and property are used to exploit others. but just like money isn't evil in and of itself, land and property are just tools used to exploit--property ownership itself does not imply corruption or exploitation.

You didn't even watch the 10 minute video I posted twice.

EXPLOITIVE PROPERTY OWNERSHIP IMPLIES...?

[brandon dean]

secondly, and without being condescending hopefully at all, I think you should listen up for a second, so I can explain what "property rights" means. yes, land and property are used to exploit others. but just like money isn't evil in and of itself, land and property are just tools used to exploit--property ownership itself does not imply corruption or exploitation.

You didn't even watch the 10 minute video I posted twice.

EXPLOITIVE PROPERTY OWNERSHIP IMPLIES...?

first of all, I don't know what you mean by "EXPLOITIVE PROPERTY OWNERSHIP IMPLIES...?"

second, no I didn't watch more than a couple seconds of the video because it immediately turned me off.  sorry...

[anarchore]

secondly, and without being condescending hopefully at all, I think you should listen up for a second, so I can explain what "property rights" means. yes, land and property are used to exploit others. but just like money isn't evil in and of itself, land and property are just tools used to exploit--property ownership itself does not imply corruption or exploitation.

You didn't even watch the 10 minute video I posted twice.

EXPLOITIVE PROPERTY OWNERSHIP IMPLIES...?

first of all, I don't know what you mean by "EXPLOITIVE PROPERTY OWNERSHIP IMPLIES...?"

Well that's why I asked you to watch the video..

second, no I didn't watch more than a couple seconds of the video because it immediately turned me off.  sorry...

Sorry?  Why do you apologize - it is your loss?

You want me to type out the video, because it makes it quite clear?  You can't watch 10 minutes for your own understanding?

I didn't watch more than a couple seconds of the video because it immediately turned me off

Well you want me to read half a page of your writing?  And do more writing... it seems that it's up to you to do your homework, the video is quite clear, and yes I knew you didn't watch it, or you wouldn't have made the ignorant statement you did about property not being exploitive.

[anarchore]

:sick:

[brandon dean]

Well that's why I asked you to watch the video..

Sorry?  Why do you apologize - it is your loss?

You want me to type out the video, because it makes it quite clear?  You can't watch 10 minutes for your own understanding?

Well you want me to read half a page of your writing?  And do more writing... it seems that it's up to you to do your homework, the video is quite clear, and yes I knew you didn't watch it, or you wouldn't have made the ignorant statement you did about property not being exploitive.

you don't have to read any of my writing, smart guy.  I could care less.  you seem to have it all figured out, so why bother reading what I write?  you didn't respond to a god damned thing I've said to you, yet I'm the lazy one because I don't want to watch some annoying guy's youtube video?  are we kidding here?

why don't you just speak for yourself?  that is the point of a discussion forum.  and sorry, to think that watching 10 minutes of a youtube video is going to reverse over 30 years of observation is laughable at best.  I thought of, considered, then moved past your theories and opinions almost two decades ago.  nothing you say is unique for me, because I've heard the same arguments from multiple "anarchists," and they're always the same.  

if you're over 25, I'd be surprised.  you stiil have a lot to learn about the world.  I didn't understand that statement because it had no context. not because I couldn't understand the words you used.   christ almighty...

I don't want you to "type the video out." I want you to use your own words to express YOUR view, not another person's words.  can you wrap your mind around that, junior?  I don't want to know what this youtube moron thinks.  I was talking to you, not him.  so now, as a point of principle, I'm not going to watch the video for sure, and I could care less if or how you respond to this, because it is a waste of time.

I guess I should also give you a lesson on the meaning and applications of SARCASM, seeing as you can't recognize it when it's right in your face.  you really don't think my "sorry" was genuine, do you?  haha stop it.  

but I guess I should sarcastically apologize again for typing 100 words per minute.  so sorry if you can't keep up, or if you read at the speed of a snail high on heroin.  guess you'll just have to take your time and get through it if you care to understand me.  if not, I won't lose any sleep over it...

[anarchore]

I did reply to you - on this page!  You want me to reply point for point for every sentence you type out?  Sorry but I'd rather go one point at a time.

The fact is that property ownership, that is not being put to active use by the owner, is exploitive property ownership that is used to make others slaves.

"I don't want you to "type the video out." I want you to use your own words to express YOUR view, not another person's words. can you wrap your mind around that, junior? I don't want to know what this youtube moron thinks. I was talking to you, not him. so now, as a point of principle, I'm not going to watch the video for sure, and I could care less if or how you respond to this, because it is a waste of time."

Why didn't you just watch the video?  It was there to illustrate a point... but you get mad because I didn't reply to every sentence of your reply?

[anarchore]

You're like the kid in class, who didn't do his homework who then wastes the whole classes time pestering the teacher about something he should have known already.  I'm here to help and guide you but I can't hold your hand.  Enjoy your wage slavery, or bourgeois property manipulation or whatever you do.

[brandon dean]

I did reply to you - on this page!  You want me to reply point for point for every sentence you type out?  Sorry but I'd rather go one point at a time.

The fact is that property ownership, that is not being put to active use by the owner, is exploitive property ownership that is used to make others slaves.

"I don't want you to "type the video out." I want you to use your own words to express YOUR view, not another person's words. can you wrap your mind around that, junior? I don't want to know what this youtube moron thinks. I was talking to you, not him. so now, as a point of principle, I'm not going to watch the video for sure, and I could care less if or how you respond to this, because it is a waste of time."

Why didn't you just watch the video?  It was there to illustrate a point... why should I waste a bunch of time typing, when someone has laid it out...it's not my opinion, it's science. Fuck what an asshole, you are... great tone you've set for the forum, Monkey Shit.

hahahahaha oh so now I'm MSMD's parrot, huh?  sorry guy, go check out my site wizardofoswald.com and waronyou.com (where I'm a moderator) to see that what I say and how I act are the same no matter where I post.  I think the problem may be your combative attitude.  you seem to have pissed a lot of people off.  not because of your opinion, but because of how you've arrogantly presented it.

and how could you possibly say in the same breath: "Fuck what an asshole, you are... great tone you've set for the forum, Monkey Shit" and not see the hypocrisy in it?  what tone are you talking about?  the one where insults are hurled instead of logical argument?  because that's exactly what you just did.  didn't you ever learn that two wrongs don't make a right?  I call people names when they deserve it, but I also don't cry if someone calls me a name.  you can call me an asshole all you want, because you know I'm right.  maybe I am an asshole sometimes.  I'm not here to please you or anyone else, or to be nice.  I am here to communicate with others who are concerned for the future of this human race, and this is a WAR, not a high school debate club.  war is not nice, so stop crying when someone is harsh with you.  if you are sure of your perspective, just stand your ground.

I don't completely agree with anyone in the world, let alone the people on this forum.  I don't expect to or want to.  that is the war I'm fighting--the war for my mind and body.  and THAT, my anarchist friend, is what property rights are all about.

[brandon dean]

You're like the kid in class, who didn't do his homework who then wastes the whole classes time pestering the teacher about something he should have known already.  I'm here to help and guide you but I can't hold your hand.  Enjoy your wage slavery, or bourgeois property manipulation or whatever you do.

that's ok.  you're just like every anarchist I've ever met: completely unoriginal yet convinced of their own individuality and importance.  you think you're telling me anything I haven't heard a hundred times?  hold my hand?  you've got to be kidding.  when there is nothing to say, just lash out.  that is the sign of someone who's obviously lost the argument.

my wage slavery?  you don't have a fucking clue about me, junior anarchist.  I don't work for anyone.  I am an independent UNDER THE TABLE contractor.  any more idiotic statements?

my bourgeois property manipulation?  haha you are a child.  grow up and smell the shitty roses.  your ideas are not only unrealistic, but they are unoriginal and outdated.  not to mention they are promoted by our enemies.  you just go ahead and keep telling yourself that's not true...

you obviously have either never read the protocols, or lack the wit to understand them.

[anarchore]

"my wage slavery? you don't have a fucking clue about me, junior anarchist. I don't work for anyone. I am an independent UNDER THE TABLE contractor. any more idiotic statements?"

Uhh huh... under the table, well that's good, good for you... but you are operating within a loophole of the system, that not everyone can take advantage of.  

Wouldn't it be better if everyone could have that freedom?

"you obviously have either never read the protocols, or lack the wit to understand them."

Protocols Schmotocols

http://ziofascism.net/blog/2009/08/prot ... hmotocols/