Militant Atheists work for the Jews

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

Im not religious and do not subscribe to any faith. But militant atheism is a faith in itself.

The Jews use atheism to destroy spirituality among all peoples of faith, particularly Christians because their hatred of Christianity is virulent. This was laid out in the protocols of Zion.

The militant atheist community definitely seem part of the anti-Christian agenda laid out in the protocols. Many of the top atheists are Jewish by birth (i.e. Sam Harris, Bill Maher, Steven Pinker, etc). Atheist books are always on the best seller lists and the media promotes atheism like crazy. That should tell you something.

It should be pointed out that these so called atheists are staunchly anti-Islam & anti-Christianity but suddenly become pro-religion when it comes to Judaism and/or are very mild if critical at all of Judaism.

You'll notice that militant atheists and their aggressive followers are pesudo-skeptical, phony rationalists and are totally anti-Conspiracy Theories. Youtube is just crawling with these maggots.

One of their major talking points for being anti-religion is the notion that Muslims do all terrorism because of a radical religious ideology. We know this is a complete lie. I believe this is the main reason why they are so against conspiracy theories since it doesn't fit in with their anti-Religion agenda.

Sam Harris, who was born to a Jewish mother, is a militant atheist leader and he constantly invokes the myth that Muslims did 9/11 so his conclusion is we should do away with religion. He's stated numerous times in television interviews that "they flew planes into our buildings because they were promised 72 virgins in heaven."

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Isn't it amazing that this clown bases his whole atheist dogma on a fairy tale BELIEF that 19 box cutter wielding arabs single handedly defeated a trillion dollar defense system, 16 intelligence agencies, NORAD, the US air force, as well as the dozens of foreign intelligence agencies that work with the U.S. If this guy was any kind of legitimate "rationalist" or "critical thinker" he would have figured that out by now, so obviously this prick is a phony pseudo-rationalist complete fraud masquerading as some great intellectual mind.

It should also be noted that ALL of the top atheists (i.e. dawkins, harris, maher, hitchens, etc) are along the same lines as Mr. harris. They promote the idea that Islam is a dangerous violent religion, that Christianity is delusional and they all support the official story of September 11th. But they only have nice things to say about Jews if anything at all. Is this a coincidence?

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

The atheists on this forum might be mad at this post so let me just say this.

I'm not against atheists, i actually considered myself an atheist at one point in time and bought into this anti-religion philosophy for awhile. But after some time I realized how jaded atheism is and its outlook on the universe and humanity. It's an extremely self-centered individualistic philosophy. It basically projects humans as nothing more than a glob of protoplasm that washed ashore and evolved. I don't believe in the Christian god or any kind of personal god that protects individual groups of people, that's a bunch of baloney. But the problem with militant atheists is that they are arrogant and act like they have it all figured out. There are some things we will never know, but to pretend that we've got it all figured out, to assert that there is nothing bigger than ourselves and that our existence is just some chemical accident is pompous. Organized religion is garbage, I must say, and it only adds to group think mentality that turns people into sleepwalking zombies, but spirituality is a different thing altogether. There are many good things that you can take from the teachings of many religions and incorporate into our own philosophies. I think religions should be studied but not blindly believed. Everyone should question everything, and atheists should question atheism too, but I don't see them doing that. A question everything attitude is the most healthy thing imho. Trusting ones instincts and coming to one's own conclusions should lead you down the right path...

[SolusInAeternum2]

Im not religious and do not subscribe to any faith. But militant atheism is a faith in itself.

The Jews use atheism to destroy spirituality among all peoples of faith, particularly Christians because their hatred of Christianity is virulent. This was laid out in the protocols of Zion.

You'll notice that militant atheists and their aggressive followers are pesudo-skeptical, phony rationalists and are totally anti-Conspiracy Theories.

This militant atheism clearly serves the zionist-jewish agenda. They seek to destroy values, especially the spiritual, leaving a gaping nihilistic void to fill with debased values that best serve them.

Popular atheism is everything theism is, minus the god, and militant atheism shares a lot in common with militant religious fundamentalism. Both are quite irrational, often founded on comfortable beliefs and feelings.

True atheism is certain knowledge that the existence of God is impossible, but few can even define precisely what they mean by "God" or "existence" and so true atheists are virtually non-existent.

(I identify God with the Totality of all there is - i.e., Nature, the Universe, the All, the Infinite - and define existence as interdependent origination or relation. As such, the Totality does not exist because there is nothing beyond it or outside it to which it is in relation. The Totality just is. God does not exist; God just is, and is manifest only in the finite - through consciousness.)

Isn't it amazing that this clown bases his whole atheist dogma on a fairy tale BELIEF that 19 box cutter wielding arabs single handedly defeated a trillion dollar defense system, 16 intelligence agencies, NORAD, the US air force, as well as the dozens of foreign intelligence agencies that work with the U.S. If this guy was any kind of legitimate "rationalist" or "critical thinker" he would have figured that out by now, so obviously this prick is a phony pseudo-rationalist complete fraud masquerading as some great intellectual mind. It should also be noted that ALL of the top atheists (i.e. dawkins, harris, maher, hitchens, etc) are along the same lines as Mr. harris. They promote the idea that Islam is a dangerous violent religion, that Christianity is delusional and they all support the official story of September 11th. But they only have nice things to say about Jews if anything at all. Is this a coincidence?

I recall being struck by the irrationality of Dawkins, one of the high priests of pseudo-Atheism, invoking with indignant rage the myth of the 19 Arab troglodytes. I think he is genuinely ignorant, as opposed to others, like Harris, who knowingly proselytise.

James Randi is another high priest, and his JREF forum of pseudo-skeptics lend irrational support to the offical 9/11 conspiracy theory. I give Randi credit for exposing the israeli spoon-bender, Uri Geller, some years back. If only he and others like him would take off their blinkers to see through the israeli state's equally obvious parlour tricks and unbend their own skewed perceptions.

I'm not against atheists, i actually considered myself an atheist at one point in time and bought into this anti-religion philosophy for awhile. But after some time I realized how jaded atheism is and its outlook on the universe and humanity. It's an extremely self-centered individualistic philosophy. It basically projects humans as nothing more than a glob of protoplasm that washed ashore and evolved. I don't believe in the Christian god or any kind of personal god that protects individual groups of people, that's a bunch of baloney.

But the problem with militant atheists is that they are arrogant and act like they have it all figured out. There are some things we will never know, but to pretend that we've got it all figured out, to assert that there is nothing bigger than ourselves and that our existence is just some chemical accident is pompous. Organized religion is garbage, I must say, and it only adds to group think mentality that turns people into sleepwalking zombies, but spirituality is a different thing altogether. There are many good things that you can take from the teachings of many religions and incorporate into our own philosophies. I think religions should be studied but not blindly believed. Everyone should question everything, and atheists should question atheism too, but I don't see them doing that. A question everything attitude is the most healthy thing imho. Trusting ones instincts and coming to one's own conclusions should lead you down the right path...

Otto Weininger had incredible insight into the jewish psyche and religion. Here are some excerpts from his 1903 work Sex and Character that I think it worth sharing in this context. (Note that he uses the term "Jew" to refer to the extreme of a dimension of mind that is manifest in everyone to some degree, like femininity and masculinity, and not to refer indiscriminately to every individual who is nominally a jew.)

Of the divine in man, the true Jew knows nothing.
For the God in man is the human soul, and the absolute Jew is devoid of a soul.

Jewish monotheism has no relation to a true belief in God; it is not a religion of reason, but a belief of old women founded on fear.

Why is it that the Jewish slave of Jehovah should become so readily a materialist or a freethinker? It is merely the alternative phase to slavery; arrogance about what is not understood is the other side of the slavish intelligence.

Judaism in science, in the widest interpretation of it, is the endeavour to remove all transcendentalism.
[The Jew] tries to take a view of the world as flat and commonplace as possible.

The Jew is eminently the unbeliever. Faith is that act of man by which he enters into relation with being, and religious faith is directed towards absolute, eternal being, the "life everlasting" of the religious phrase. The Jew is really nothing, because he believes in nothing.

The Jew is the impious man in the widest sense. Piety is not something near things nor outside things; it is the groundwork of everything. The Jew has been incorrectly called vulgar, simply because he does not concern himself with metaphysics. All true culture that comes from within, all that a man believes to be true and that so is true for him, depend on reverence. Reverence is not limited to the mystic or the religious man; all science and all scepticism, everything that a man truly believes, have reverence as the fundamental quality. Naturally it displays itself in different ways, in high seriousness and sanctity, in earnestness and enthusiasm. The Jew is never either enthusiastic or indifferent, he is neither ecstatic nor cold. He reaches neither the heights nor the depths. His restraint becomes meagreness, his copiousness becomes bombast. Should he venture into the boundless realms of inspired thought, he seldom reaches beyond pathos. And although he cannot embrace the whole world, he is for ever covetous of it.

Discrimination and generalisation, strength and love, science and poetry, every real and deep emotion of the human heart, have reverence as their essential basis. It is not necessary that faith, as in men of genius, should be in relation only to metaphysical entity; it can extend also to the empirical world and appear fully there, and yet none the less be faith in oneself, in worth, in truth, in the absolute, in God.

Religion is the creation of the all; and all that humanity can be is only through religion. So far from the Jew being religious, as has been assumed, he is profoundly irreligious.

Were there need to elaborate my verdict on the Jews I might point out that the Jews, alone of peoples, do not try to make converts to their faith, and that when converts are made they serve as objects of puzzled ridicule to them. Need I refer to the meaningless formality and the repetitions of Jewish prayer? Need I remind readers that the Jewish religion is a mere historical tradition, a memorial of such incidents as the miraculous crossing of the Red Sea, with the consequent thanks of cowards to their Saviour; and that it is no guide to the meaning and conduct of life? The Jew is truly irreligious and furthest of mankind from faith. There is no relation between the Jew himself and the universe.

The psychological contents of the Jewish mind are always double or multiple... I think that the idea of Judaism consists in this want of reality, this absence of any fundamental relation to the thing-in-and-for-itself. He stands, so to speak, outside reality, without ever entering it. He can never make himself one with anything - never enter into real relationships. He is a zealot without zeal; he has no share in the unlimited, the unconditioned. He is without simplicity of faith, and so is always turning to each new interpretation... Internal multiplicity is the essence of Judaism.
It might be urged that the Jewish double-mindedness is modern, and is the result of new knowledge struggling with the old orthodoxy. The education of the Jew, however, only accentuates his natural qualities, and the doubting Jew turns with a renewed zeal to money-making, in which only he can find his standard of value.

Because he believes in nothing, he takes refuge in materialism; from this avarice, which is simply an attempt to convince himself that something has a permanent value.

Judaism and Christianity form the greatest possible contrasts; the former is bereft of all true faith and of inner identity, the latter is the highest expression of the highest faith. Christianity is heroism at its highest point; Judaism is the extreme of cowardliness.

There were two possibilities in Judaism. Before the birth of Christ, these two, negation and affirmation, were together awaiting choice. Christ was the man who conquered in Himself Judaism, the greatest negation, and created Christianity, the strongest affirmation and the most direct opposite of Judaism. Now the choice has been made; the old Israel has divided into Jews and Christians, and Judaism has lost the possibility of producing greatness.

Nothing is easier than to be Jewish, nothing so difficult as to be Christian. Judaism is the abyss over which Christianity is erected.

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

This militant atheism clearly serves the zionist-jewish agenda. They seek to destroy values, especially the spiritual, leaving a gaping nihilistic void to fill with debased values that best serve them.

Popular atheism is everything theism is, minus the god, and militant atheism shares a lot in common with militant religious fundamentalism. Both are quite irrational, often founded on comfortable beliefs and feelings.

True atheism is certain knowledge that the existence of God is impossible, but few can even define precisely what they mean by "God" or "existence" and so true atheists are virtually non-existent.

(I identify God with the Totality of all there is - i.e., Nature, the Universe, the All, the Infinite - and define existence as interdependent origination or relation. As such, the Totality does not exist because there is nothing beyond it or outside it to which it is in relation. The Totality just is. God does not exist; God just is, and is manifest only in the finite - through consciousness.)

Spot on. I agree with everything you said.

James Randi is another high priest, and his JREF forum of pseudo-skeptics lend irrational support to the offical 9/11 conspiracy theory. I give Randi credit for exposing the israeli spoon-bender, Uri Geller, some years back. If only he and others like him would take off their blinkers to see through the israeli state's equally obvious parlour tricks and unbend their own skewed perceptions.

  Yeah, Randi is only good for debunking obvious fakes claiming to have special powers and other garbage like the Jew Gellar and his spoon bending bollocks. Gellar is a typical Jewish huckster of the madoff extraction  . The Randi forum is a complete government outfit in my opinion. Those pseudo-skeptic clowns literally take a pro-government pro-official story position on EVERY issue and it seems they have limitless time to "debate" genuine skeptics. That forum got started just prior to 9/11 btw. A coincidence that may be, but it looks like their job was to put down conspiracy theories that would inevitably emerge after 9/11 happened.

[Travis]

I agree Atheism is a religion, its a religion of disbelief.

[brandon dean]

great thread.  I have had a similar experience as monkeyseemonkeydo.  I used to consider myself a "confusionist," rather than atheist, though I have at times in my life felt sure no "good" god existed.  confusionist meaning I was comfortable with both the lack of proof surrounding "god," and the search for truth itself.  I didn't see any hope of ever figuring it out one way or the other.  since then, things have happened to me which prove (to me) that there is a god who guides the fate of not only man, but all living things.  some of the things I can only explain to myself, but others were not metaphysical or philosophical at all.  science itself led me to a belief in an all-powerful and all-knowing force in the universe.  for example, what happens outside of the frequency range of our five senses?  the holographic/electric nature of the universe itself is another factor which (to me) points to a vast power we cannot comprehend.

I have grossly over-simplified what I was trying to say, but I'm not trying to write a book here either.  I agree that militant atheists are no different than religious fundamentalists, and that this is more than covered in the protocols.  they have an egocentric and skewed view of the universe and world.  they are afraid to search for what exists outside of our frequency range of senses.  

maybe they're afraid they'll discover innate morality, which they've been hiding from their whole "atheist" lives, like I did when I was younger.  anyone who's led a life of "freedom" from morality has a vested stake in amorality.  it's hard to admit when you've been naive or ignorant, yet we've all been through it.  to me, those who remain militant atheists longer than a year or two in their early twenties are a)religious quacks, b)zionist provocateurs, or c)morons with an IQ of no more than 100.  I will say that the average IQ of an israeli (over 90 percent of whom are atheists by their own statistics), hovers in the 90's, while average US IQ's range in the 110's, and japanese in the 120's.  so much for any idea of a "superior" race of jews...

for those who have not read the protocols, here is protocol number 4 in its entirety, which discusses this exact topic:

PROTOCOL No. 4

    1. Every republic passes through several stages. The first of these is comprised in the early days of mad raging by the blind mob, tossed hither and thither, right and left: the second is demagogy from which is born anarchy, and that leads inevitably to despotism - not any longer legal and overt, and therefore responsible despotism, but to unseen and secretly hidden, yet nevertheless sensibly felt despotism in the hands of some secret organization or other, whose acts are the more unscrupulous inasmuch as it works behind a screen, behind the backs of all sorts of agents, the changing of whom not only does not injuriously affect but actually aids the secret force by saving it, thanks to continual changes, from the necessity of expanding its resources on the rewarding of long services.

    2. Who and what is in a position to overthrow an invisible force? And this is precisely what our force is. GENTILE masonry blindly serves as a screen for us and our objects, but the plan of action of our force, even its very abiding-place, remains for the whole people an unknown mystery.

   WE SHALL DESTROY GOD

    3. But even freedom might be harmless and have its place in the State economy without injury to the well-being of the peoples if it rested upon the foundation of faith in God, upon the brotherhood of humanity, unconnected with the conception of equality, which is negatived by the very laws of creation, for they have established subordination. With such a faith as this a people might be governed by a wardship of parishes, and would walk contentedly and humbly under the guiding hand of its spiritual pastor submitting to the dispositions of God upon earth. This is the reason why IT IS INDISPENSABLE FOR US TO UNDERMINE ALL FAITH, TO TEAR OUT OF THE MIND OF THE "GOYIM" THE VERY PRINCIPLE OF GOD-HEAD AND THE SPIRIT, AND TO PUT IN ITS PLACE ARITHMETICAL CALCULATIONS AND MATERIAL NEEDS.

    4. In order to give the GOYIM no time to think and take note, their minds must be diverted towards industry and trade. Thus, all the nations will be swallowed up in the pursuit of gain and in the race for it will not take note of their common foe. But again, in order that freedom may once for all disintegrate and ruin the communities of the GOYIM, we must put industry on a speculative basis: the result of this will be that what is withdrawn from the land by industry will slip through the hands and pass into speculation, that is, to our classes.

    5. The intensified struggle for superiority and shocks delivered to economic life will create, nay, have already created, disenchanted, cold and heartless communities. Such communities will foster a strong aversion towards the higher political and towards religion. Their only guide is gain, that is Gold, which they will erect into a veritable cult, for the sake of those material delights which it can give. Then will the hour strike when, not for the sake of attaining the good, not even to win wealth, but solely out of hatred towards the privileged, the lower classes of the GOYIM will follow our lead against our rivals for power, the intellectuals of the GOYIM.

[MikeWB]

First of all, atheism is not a religion. My dictionary defines religion as:

religion |riˈlijən|
noun
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods

Atheism is commonly described as the position that there are no deities; the absence of religion. The two are not even in the same ballpark. Atheism doesn't provide you with a set of beliefs, it doesn't provide you with comfort that there's salvation/afterlife and it doesn't provide you with deities to worship. How exactly, then, is atheism religion?

The way I sum up atheism is like this: atheists do not take for granted fairytales that some guy wrote down in a cave or a tent so he can control his people with it. Point of most of the religions is to control people with the greatest fear that people have: the fear of death. The name of some religions itself will give you a clue as to what they're about. For example, word "islam" literally means submission...  from 'aslama 'submit (to God).'

All religions put you in a box and put shackles on your mind. That's how they're able to control you.

Greatest atheist have not been Jews. The "father of atheism" (well, he wrote the first book denying existence of god) was a german/frenchman. Most of the famous atheists today are not jews either.

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One thing that atheists have in common is higher than average IQ. A lot of jews are atheists and many of them are smart so there's a correlation but that doesn't mean that atheism is a jewish plot. That's faulty logic.


Another faulty conclusion is that destruction of Christianity is good for the jews. Really? Have you ever heard of Pastor Hagee? What about millions of Christian Evangelicals who consider jews to be  "the master race" and "god's chosen people"? These are the same fucks that send millions to Israel every year because they think the rapture is coming and how they'll go to heaven immediately. These are the people that vote in huge numbers and have been credited with election all kinds of Christian Zionist assholes that are in Congreess right now which worship Israel and send our sons and fathers and bothers to war so they can die for Israel.  So having this fucked up belief is good? Not to mention all the connections that Christians have to jews because of Bible and the fact that Jesus was a jew too. People don't want to admit it but Christianity is just an extension of Judaism. Tanakh is just the Old Testament re-arranged.

Would we be better off under atheism? Probably. At least jews wouldn't be able to control people as easily through this mind control cult.

Another faulty logic that I see here goes something like this:

A is the enemy of B
B is bad
Conclusion: A must be good.

The conclusion is completely wrong. Don't even try to convince people by using it because it's silly.

[brandon dean]

First of all, atheism is not a religion. My dictionary defines religion as:

religion |riˈlijən|
noun
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods

Atheism is commonly described as the position that there are no deities; the absence of religion. The two are not even in the same ballpark. Atheism doesn't provide you with a set of beliefs, it doesn't provide you with comfort that there's salvation/afterlife and it doesn't provide you with deities to worship. How exactly, then, is atheism religion?

The way I sum up atheism is like this: atheists do not take for granted fairytales that some guy wrote down in a cave or a tent so he can control his people with it. Point of most of the religions is to control people with the greatest fear that people have: the fear of death. The name of some religions itself will give you a clue as to what they're about. For example, word "islam" literally means submission...  from 'aslama 'submit (to God).'

All religions put you in a box and put shackles on your mind. That's how they're able to control you.

Greatest atheist have not been Jews. The "father of atheism" (well, he wrote the first book denying existence of god) was a german/frenchman. Most of the famous atheists today are not jews either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE4oicVuPC4

One thing that atheists have in common is higher than average IQ. A lot of jews are atheists and many of them are smart so there's a correlation but that doesn't mean that atheism is a jewish plot. That's faulty logic.


Another faulty conclusion is that destruction of Christianity is good for the jews. Really? Have you ever heard of Pastor Hagee? What about millions of Christian Evangelicals who consider jews to be  "the master race" and "god's chosen people"? These are the same fucks that send millions to Israel every year because they think the rapture is coming and how they'll go to heaven immediately. These are the people that vote in huge numbers and have been credited with election all kinds of Christian Zionist assholes that are in Congreess right now which worship Israel and send our sons and fathers and bothers to war so they can die for Israel.  So having this fucked up belief is good? Not to mention all the connections that Christians have to jews because of Bible and the fact that Jesus was a jew too. People don't want to admit it but Christianity is just an extension of Judaism. Tanakh is just the Old Testament re-arranged.

Would we be better off under atheism? Probably. At least jews wouldn't be able to control people as easily through this mind control cult.

Another faulty logic that I see here goes something like this:

A is the enemy of B
B is bad
Conclusion: A must be good.

The conclusion is completely wrong. Don't even try to convince people by using it because it's silly.

bottom line is atheism is specifically promoted in the protocols of the learned elders of zion.  does it get any more clear than "we shall destroy god?"

[MikeWB]

bottom line is atheism is specifically promoted in the protocols of the learned elders of zion.  does it get any more clear than "we shall destroy god?"

You quoted my whole post and yet you posed a bullshit argument as a retort that didn't even touch on any of my points? How exactly does "destroying god" (a concept that's bullshit in itself) help jews? A monotheistic god is a jewish invention in the first place and they use Christian Bible to manipulate Christians into being their slaves right now... by the millions! Bible's the reason why we're being so easily led in the first place!

How exactly are jews TODAY manipulating atheists and how will they manipulate them better in the future if the whole world went atheistic? I'd REALLY like to know an answer to that one!

[Ognir]

Debating religion or non religion is like running in the special Olympics ....

[sirbadman]

The jews have always hated christianity. Makes sense for jews to promote atheism. All religions can create a block of agreed views - goes against divide and conquer strategies somewhat.

Would be great if Christians actually looked at the important stuff in the bible. Eg, the only time Jesus got mad was with the money changers, the synagogue of satan stuff etc.

Real christians should be enemies of Judaism in my view, and should resist jewish power grabs.

MikeWB.. please drop the jews are smart BS.. it's an urban myth. Israel's IQ is low, US school tests reveal that states with higher jewish populations often do far worse than states with very low jewish populations. There are smart jews out there, but the success of Jewish communities has more to with their aggressiveness and use of black hat tactics. This wont be a smart move for them over the long term.

MikeWB said: All religions put you in a box and put shackles on your mind. That's how they're able to control you.

Most religions also provide ethics, plus your ancestors would most likely have been christian (i hope) and christianity has been the basis of some respectful civilisations so don't be so dimissive. The fact that Judaism has such a dodgy bunch of ethics, promoting supremacist views, dishonesty etc is a major reason why the world is so messed up.

I'm not a christian either, but there is no doubt that people who militantly promote atheism need to get a life.

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

Another faulty conclusion is that destruction of Christianity is good for the jews. Really? Have you ever heard of Pastor Hagee? What about millions of Christian Evangelicals who consider jews to be  "the master race" and "god's chosen people"? These are the same fucks that send millions to Israel every year because they think the rapture is coming and how they'll go to heaven immediately.

Well Hagee is not a real Christian he's a satanic judaizer. Hagee is secretly teaching his followers Judaism not Christianity. According to christianity it is blasphemous to say Jesus was not the messiah, and Hagee did just that in his book "In Defense of Israel". He works directly for the ZioJews and is trying to destroy Christianity. Do you really believe that George Bush Jr, Hagee and these other satanic Judaizers  are actually "Christians"? I don't.
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These are the people that vote in huge numbers and have been credited with election all kinds of Christian Zionist assholes that are in Congreess right now which worship Israel and send our sons and fathers and bothers to war so they can die for Israel.  So having this fucked up belief is good? Not to mention all the connections that Christians have to jews because of Bible and the fact that Jesus was a jew too.

I think some of that can be refuted. Firstly christian zionists are bought and paid for by the Jews. They are not real Christians and they have been lied to and deceived. They are idiots and I have no remorse for them. But you say Jesus was a Jew, what do you mean by that? He was not a follower of judaism (Pharisee as it was known then) and maligned the Jewish religious authorities many times. Apparently Jesus was not a Jew by religion or blood at all and this is a fabrication of Judaism, who have tampered and poisoned the sciptures with their lies.
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Would we be better off under atheism? Probably. At least jews wouldn't be able to control people as easily through this mind control cult.

I am not for or against people dropping religion for atheism. I agree that organized religion contributes to group think mentality and produces many sleepwalking zombies who blindly follow whatever their leaders are telling them. I think simply being agnostic seems the most reasonable thing to do instead of picking a completely pro-religion or anti-religion stance. But you have to remember that many of the staunchest anti-Zionist and anti-Judaic elements are Christian. The Byzantine empire was a Christian empire that lasted over 1000 years because it did not allow Jews in positions of power; that's why it's never mentioned in the history books. Most if not all of the big militant atheists are actually in support of Israel and have nothing but good things to say about Jews.

 

People don't want to admit it but Christianity is just an extension of Judaism. Tanakh is just the Old Testament re-arranged.

Real Christians follow the new testament and the teachings of Christ not the old testament which is the book of the Jews' religion, in my estimation.

[brandon dean]

bottom line is atheism is specifically promoted in the protocols of the learned elders of zion.  does it get any more clear than "we shall destroy god?"

You quoted my whole post and yet you posed a bullshit argument as a retort that didn't even touch on any of my points? How exactly does "destroying god" (a concept that's bullshit in itself) help jews? A monotheistic god is a jewish invention in the first place and they use Christian Bible to manipulate Christians into being their slaves right now... by the millions! Bible's the reason why we're being so easily led in the first place!

How exactly are jews TODAY manipulating atheists and how will they manipulate them better in the future if the whole world went atheistic? I'd REALLY like to know an answer to that one!

oh, well, excuse me for summing up a specious post by quoting the protocols.  my bad.  I guess I'll bite.

atheism can be seen as another religion thuswise: it encourages "group-think" mentality, just like you claim religion does.  most atheists have the same opinions, and the same arguments, JUST LIKE followers of religions.  atheists have their prophets just like religions (ie all the people you have named).  most atheists look to other atheists for answers, whether free thought is what led them to atheism or not.  there is no proof of atheism, just like there is no proof of religion.  you CANNOT prove god does not exist, because it is an existential and personal matter, NOT logical.  you cannot prove god exists using logic or science.  science is the faith of the atheist.  atheists claim to deal in reality and facts, but their facts are usually gained from science, which is constantly changed and updated, JUST LIKE RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.  you get it yet?  just like religious people, most atheists fall back on a FAITH in their BELIEF for comfort, and shut themselves off to new and different opportunities.  honestly, mike, you seem ultimately offended just because I don't agree with you and wrote off what you said, JUST LIKE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE.  

sorry to point out what I feel to be the obvious, but you yourself have referred to the man in the video you posted as the "FATHER" of atheism.  a rather religious term, don't you think?  is his book (the first to deny the existence of god) the atheists' bible or what?  :clap:

All religions put you in a box and put shackles on your mind. That's how they're able to control you

gee, that's weird, given that most technological achievements were achieved by RELIGIOUS men, whether of eastern or western distraction.  that's sure what I'd call "shackles" on your mind.  each individual chooses to shackle their own mind or not.  stop blaming our problems on abstract ideas and notions, and accept responsibility for where we are as a species.  it is OUR responsibility, not religion's or any other ideology's responsibility.

atheists rarely differentiate between religion and spirituality.  ALL organizations are corrupt.  religion is NOT special.  get it?  all organizations are potential power bases for evil men.  religion is just another example of that.  it does not mean religion has brought nothing good to the world, just like the fact that royal families oppressed the common man for centuries does not take away from the fact that they are what stood between the jewish elders and the freedom of the western world.

now, about that skewed "IQ" test, I easily found a link to a "skeptic" site which shows statistics that AGNOSTICS (whom you have completely ignored in your rant) have a higher IQ average than atheists.  sorry, buddy...

http://saskskeptics.com/2010/01/27/test ... s-results/

anyone can google some statistics to prove their point.

pastor hagee is an example of the destruction of christianity.  he is a christian zionist.  how does that have anything to do with the broader picture, when most of the christians in the world either have no idea who hagee is, or could care less about him?  he does not represent christianity.  he represents his masters, and we all know who they are.

the elders could care less about jews or christians.  they only care about and defend those whom they can corrupt with money. if a jew is corrupted by them, he will be defended by them, and same with christians.  90% of the israeli population is ATHEIST.  the jews will be the scapegoats for their elite if they get cornered.  get it yet?  

the protocols are the closest thing we have to a straight out confession by these monsters.  it outlines future wars and politics, which all came true, and it lays out WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IN THE PAST.  they specifically state that true christianity is their enemy.  they don't make any bones about it.  ok?  we have an actual document in which jews explicitly state that they are going to use christians and religion in general as their tools of control, specifically because they HADN'T been controllable when uncorrupted.  they explicitly state, with no ambiguity whatsoever, that they will destroy religion and god.

the zionism movement was/is a secular movement. NOT a religious movement.  theodor herzl HATED religious jews, and was so embarrassed by his jewish heritage that he denounced judaism and changed his name to sound non-jewish.  the zionists sold out the jews of germany, and they will sell out the rest of the jews if it ever serves their purposes.  zionists are the "fathers" of atheism, buddy.  sorry...

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

This militant atheism clearly serves the zionist-jewish agenda. They seek to destroy values, especially the spiritual, leaving a gaping nihilistic void to fill with debased values that best serve them.

Popular atheism is everything theism is, minus the god, and militant atheism shares a lot in common with militant religious fundamentalism. Both are quite irrational, often founded on comfortable beliefs and feelings.

True atheism is certain knowledge that the existence of God is impossible, but few can even define precisely what they mean by "God" or "existence" and so true atheists are virtually non-existent.

(I identify God with the Totality of all there is - i.e., Nature, the Universe, the All, the Infinite - and define existence as interdependent origination or relation. As such, the Totality does not exist because there is nothing beyond it or outside it to which it is in relation. The Totality just is. God does not exist; God just is, and is manifest only in the finite - through consciousness.)

Spot on. I agree with everything you said.

James Randi is another high priest, and his JREF forum of pseudo-skeptics lend irrational support to the offical 9/11 conspiracy theory. I give Randi credit for exposing the israeli spoon-bender, Uri Geller, some years back. If only he and others like him would take off their blinkers to see through the israeli state's equally obvious parlour tricks and unbend their own skewed perceptions.

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Much agreed with this post and this thread! Well said.

[Travis]

Everyone has a religion, and everyone has a something they worship. Some worship the Creator while others worship money, their government, a football team and so on.
With regards to Zionism, what people need to understand is that Zionism is Judaism for secular Jews. By following Zionism  Jews are in the process of fulling their religious objectives, i.e. to dominate the non-Jew.  In this sense Zionism is a method to implement certain aspects of Judaism.

[Helphand]

It should also be noted that ALL of the top atheists (i.e. dawkins, harris, maher, hitchens, etc) are along the same lines as Mr. harris. They promote the idea that Islam is a dangerous violent religion, that Christianity is delusional and they all support the official story of September 11th. But they only have nice things to say about Jews if anything at all. Is this a coincidence?

MSMD:

Am I stating the obvious and commonly known when I remark that Dawkins' mummy is Jewish so under halakah, he is too?
The other names in the quote look horribly ... familiar - I am pretty sure hitchens has "heritage" and as for harris, maher... do the names say it all?
There does seem to be a disproportionate number in the Jewish religion/ethnicity/race/nation-without-borders group that promote militant "atheism" (almost an oxymoron).
Likewise many ethnic Jews seem to lose it and become Buddhists instead.
Or as Pinay indicates in "The Plot Against the Church", is this behaviour not in fact to be taken at face value but to be interpreted, as ever, as intentionally destructive of other religions but as a prelude to the establishment of the Jewish "god" and his King in Jerusalem i.e. the end justifies the means?

[MikeWB]

Few things...

Jesus was not a jew? Really? Jesus was born a jew and was properly bar-mitzvad. The claim that he's not a jew is an invention of Christian WN/NeoNazi folks who want to separate Christianity from jews. Don't repeat bullshit... just because you wish it doesn't make it so.



Was Jesus a reptilian by any chance? Did he shapeshift from the jew form? I like this explanation much better. :lol:

As for delusions of how Islam's not violent and how it's a religion of "peace"... that's for another thread. Just remind me... how many Christian churches are there in the land of Mohammed... the Saudi Arabia? Oh yeah... ZERO! While you're at it, research the term "Dirty Kuffar" and how it differs from "Dirty Goy". Now go back to my previous post in which I explain faulty logic and draw some conclusions on your own.

Imagine, for a second, what US would look like if jewish overlords were replaced with muslim ones. Would we be better or worse off? Yeah, it's a graduated scale of how fucked we'd be but there's no doubt in my mind that we'd be even worse than we are right now... and our jewish overlords have screwed us pretty badly.

Ognir... point taken. I'm out of this thread.

[brandon dean]

I'm out of this thread.

I guess that means I don't get a response after you called my reply bullshit, and I took the time to reply to you?  hmmm....

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

Few things...

Jesus was not a jew? Really? Jesus was born a jew and was properly bar-mitzvad. The claim that he's not a jew is an invention of Christian WN/NeoNazi folks who want to separate Christianity from jews. Don't repeat bullshit... just because you wish it doesn't make it so.

Well how do we know what's bullshit and what isn't concerning these vague historical things mike? You think the WN's are bullshitting but you believe the Jews who claim Jesus was one of them? I guess it's some murky middle then? It doesn't really matter. Jesus was not a Pharisee, did not follow the Jewish religion and made numerous statements denouncing them as hypocrites, liars, the synagogue of Satan, sons of their father the devil, a den of vipers, and other similar sentiments. Don't forget he chased the jewish money changers out of the temple with a whip and was ultimately crucified by them. That doesn't sound like a bona-fide Jew to me.

I don't believe in Christianity either, and when it's simplified like that, yes, it does sound really silly. But there are also some good things that have come from religion like morals and ethics.

As for delusions of how Islam's not violent and how it's a religion of "peace"...

I wouldn't call it a violent religion that would be a blanket statement. There are some elements and sects within it that are violent and primitive, but as a whole it's not violent at all. Never forget that Jews attacked America on September 11th, not Muslims. There are 1 BILLION Muslims roaming around the world so if Islam was a violent religion there would obviously be terrorism going on everywhere, but that's not the case.

Imagine, for a second, what US would look like if jewish overlords were replaced with muslim ones. Would we be better or worse off? Yeah, it's a graduated scale of how fucked we'd be but there's no doubt in my mind that we'd be even worse than we are right now...

I think you're a little off here as well. You're thinking of Muslim fundamentalists like those in Saudi Arabia. Most Muslims are moderate and are just like you and me. A Muslim is better than a Jew of any extraction. Would 9/11 have happened if muslims were in charge? No. Would America have waged war on Iraq and Afghanistan if Muslims were in charge? Hell no. In fact i'd be willing to bet that if Muslims were in charge of the U.S. and the West, Israel would have been history long ago. The west would be much better off if muslims were in charge, but that's never going to happen anyway so no need to worry about it.

[jai_mann]

you CANNOT prove god does not exist, because it is an existential and personal matter, NOT logical.  you cannot prove god exists using logic or science.  science is the faith of the atheist.  atheists claim to deal in reality and facts, but their facts are usually gained from science, which is constantly changed and updated, JUST LIKE RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.  you get it yet?  just like religious people, most atheists fall back on a FAITH in their BELIEF for comfort, and shut themselves off to new and different opportunities.  honestly, mike, you seem ultimately offended just because I don't agree with you and wrote off what you said, JUST LIKE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE.  

gee, that's weird, given that most technological achievements were achieved by RELIGIOUS men, whether of eastern or western distraction.  that's sure what I'd call "shackles" on your mind.  each individual chooses to shackle their own mind or not.  stop blaming our problems on abstract ideas and notions, and accept responsibility for where we are as a species.  it is OUR responsibility, not religion's or any other ideology's responsibility.
now, about that skewed "IQ" test, I easily found a link to a "skeptic" site which shows statistics that AGNOSTICS (whom you have completely ignored in your rant) have a higher IQ average than atheists.  sorry, buddy...

This thread is humorous to say the least. I selected an agnostic approach to life back when I was about 12 or 13 due to the aforementioned reasons. It has only been in the last, say, 2 years, that I have taken a sort of pan-theistic view of things, which is still largely in line with an agnostic view of life. The one militant atheist that I know has been that way since he was younger and it was a clear backlash against his highly religious mother (and possibly father). He's one of these Richard Dawkins monkeys. The sad thing is, there's little hope of reaching such people because they don't base their views strictly upon logic any way. There are certain emotional stimuli which create the bond for them, just as one who is religious. Most people take science at face value rather than actually sitting down and researching an issue to assess methodology and conclusions for themselves. They tend to rely upon "expert" figures which is a huge mistake when you look at fraudsters like Einstein. They evaluate factors which are entirely unrelated to the central issue at hand and base their opinions on the issue in such a manner. Now, I don't know if I would consider it a problem or if it's just normal. Clearly the average person, religious, or atheist, tends to engage in this methodological flaw, so it could be considered normal. And one who perseverates, and can not stop thinking about an issue, from many different angles, a truly logical, yet neurotic approach, is the one who operates outside of the norm.

I don't doubt that the latter can bridge the gap and bring others to see things from different angles; however, one must factor in the emotional issues to address things in such a manner as to ameliorate the elicited emotions from the former, which are guaranteed to occur as a natural consequence of the conditioned attitudes that the former holds. The question then becomes, how much effort is one willing to exert in the attempt to "de-condition" another, and introduce to that other person, novel means of examining things? I usually drop things when the cost-benefit ratio of continuing discourse goes beyond a certain level. I've usually got better things to do than battle someone's emotional responses.

Brandon, you should check out the Meyers-Briggs personality test. Google "keirsey personality temperament" if you have 30 minutes. It's the most consistent personality test accessible on the web. INTJ here...

[MikeWB]

Well how do we know what's bullshit and what isn't concerning these vague historical things mike? You think the WN's are bullshitting but you believe the Jews who claim Jesus was one of them? I guess it's some murky middle then? It doesn't really matter. Jesus was not a Pharisee, did not follow the Jewish religion and made numerous statements denouncing them as hypocrites, liars, the synagogue of Satan, sons of their father the devil, a den of vipers, and other similar sentiments. Don't forget he chased the jewish money changers out of the temple with a whip and was ultimately crucified by them. That doesn't sound like a bona-fide Jew to me.

All historical record points to the fact that Jesus was a jew. Those who claim he was not a jew have no evidence whatsoever. It does sound like a bonafide jew to me... and so does to talmudists who write this about Jesus:

Who Killed Jesus?
According to the Talmud, Jesus was executed by a proper rabbinical court for idolatry, inciting other Jews to idolatry, and contempt of rabbinical authority. All classical Jewish sources which mention his execution are quite happy to take responsibility for it; in the talmudic account the Romans are not even mentioned.

The more popular accounts -- which were nevertheless taken quite seriously -- such as the notorious Toldot Yeshu are even worse, for in addition to the above crimes they accuse him of witchcraft. The very name "Jesus" was for Jews a symbol of all that is abominable, and this popular tradition still persists. The Gospels are equally detested, and they are not allowed to be quoted (let alone taught) even in modern Israeli Jewish schools.

Israel Shahak, Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Two Thousand Years (London: Pluto Press, 1994), 97-98.

The reason why Pontius Pilate was able to wash his hands for killing Jesus was precisely because Jesus was a jew and Rabbinical court had "authority" over Jesus.

Now, go ahead and provide some proof that Jesus was not a jew... something other than retarded WN/nazi bullshit please.

PS: This thread is not news. It's off to Personal Thoughts.

[jai_mann]

Everyone has a religion, and everyone has a something they worship. Some worship the Creator while others worship money, their government, a football team and so on.
With regards to Zionism, what people need to understand is that Zionism is Judaism for secular Jews. By following Zionism  Jews are in the process of fulling their religious objectives, i.e. to dominate the non-Jew.  In this sense Zionism is a method to implement certain aspects of Judaism.

Travis, I think we'd all agree that you hit the nail on the head, but the sad thing is, that the use of media conditioning has shifted the population away from moral values (which typically came from churches, even if those with higher moral standards behaved as sheep within their local parish) and towards materialism, which as you pointed out, encompass Mammon, government worship (AKA slaves worshiping their masters) and the bread and circus. Personally, as an agnostic individual, I'd much rather be around morally high strung people than morally decrepit people. I had to grow up with the former pushing their shit on me because they were relatives. It pushed me away from religion as they were blind followers and sometimes hypocrites, but I'd still much rather deal with them than nihilistic assholes (which apparently my brother may be...hopefully he'll get off of that path as there is NO satisfaction in life upon it).

I'm still not entirely fond of the whole "Zionism" thing as it came along in the 1800's and unfortunately there are tales of dirty rotten scoundrels, or jews, who have been exhibiting the same damned behavior down through not decades, not centuries, but millennium. This all stems from the following of the Talmud which appears to come from their spoken law/tradition. I think your conclusion needs further looking into because you are probably 100% correct in it. This focused attention to certain aspects of Talmudism appears to be closely tied in with the success of these sick minds. Unfortunately I don't think those who have been brainwashed with that shit are ones who can be reasoned with in any way.

[jai_mann]

It should also be noted that ALL of the top atheists (i.e. dawkins, harris, maher, hitchens, etc) are along the same lines as Mr. harris. They promote the idea that Islam is a dangerous violent religion, that Christianity is delusional and they all support the official story of September 11th. But they only have nice things to say about Jews if anything at all. Is this a coincidence?

MSMD:

Am I stating the obvious and commonly known when I remark that Dawkins' mummy is Jewish so under halakah, he is too?
The other names in the quote look horribly ... familiar - I am pretty sure hitchens has "heritage" and as for harris, maher... do the names say it all?
There does seem to be a disproportionate number in the Jewish religion/ethnicity/race/nation-without-borders group that promote militant "atheism" (almost an oxymoron).
Likewise many ethnic Jews seem to lose it and become Buddhists instead.
Or as Pinay indicates in "The Plot Against the Church", is this behaviour not in fact to be taken at face value but to be interpreted, as ever, as intentionally destructive of other religions but as a prelude to the establishment of the Jewish "god" and his King in Jerusalem i.e. the end justifies the means?

Well GD! I think it should almost have to be a habitual behavior for us to start family/background checks on people in the limelight. I've been doing this a lot but not as habitually as I should. I'm not surprised in the least if what you say is true. I'll have to look into it at some point. Dawkins is a fucking tool. I think what would be great is to start a compendium of jewish fraudsters such as himself to make it real nice and simple for newbs to rapidly acquaint themselves with who's who in the zoo.

[jai_mann]

All historical record points to the fact that Jesus was a jew. Those who claim he was not a jew have no evidence whatsoever. It does sound like a bonafide jew to me... and so does to talmudists who write this about Jesus:

The reason why Pontius Pilate was able to wash his hands for killing Jesus was precisely because Jesus was a jew and Rabbinical court had "authority" over Jesus.

Now, go ahead and provide some proof that Jesus was not a jew... something other than retarded WN/nazi bullshit please.

PS: This thread is not news. It's off to Personal Thoughts.

Ever played the game telephone? Where messages get relayed from one person to another? 2000 years is a long time for embellishment, lies, obfuscation, distortion, etc. to occur.

My simple approach at this point has been to believe that Jesus probably did exist, but I'm not basing it strictly off of the Bible. No, I rely more upon the fact that the Talmud attacks this person. The fact that this person is attacked in a text by peoples who clearly have a hatred for him and what he represents is pretty strong evidence IMHO that he lived. And today, the jews who think they are so cunning, are promoting this notion that he never existed. They won't respond to questions about why their own texts acknowledge his life while attacking him. They don't have any logical explanation for why their texts didn't just outright claim that he didn't exist. Now as to the him being a jew, well, I don't think I've seen enough evidence to indicate either way. It would be interesting to see if the Talmud claims he was a jew. I don't think I've seen anything in the talmud indicating what his background was. He was certainly treated as the "best among goyim" though....

[SolusInAeternum2]

First of all, atheism is not a religion. My dictionary defines religion as:

religion |ri'lij?n|
noun
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods

Dictionaries fail to define the essence of what religion and God are, but only describe how language is conventionally (often deludedly) used. These words - god, religion, atheist... jew - can blind if you're taken in by them, as can the abstract mental constructs to which they point (which are really 'labels' stuck on reality) if you mistake them for something ultimately, objectively real.

God is the ultimate and highest reality or truth that a man (gender-neutral sense) can conceive, and religion is the individual's way to reconnect to or realise that reality. It is in the nature of self-consciousness, with which man alone among all conscious life on Earth is blessed/cursed, to seek completion. To the degree a man is conscious, this possibility and craving exists.

True religion is exclusively individual and deals with what is of ultimate concern to him, alone before the Universe, uniquely bound up in the fate of his own consciousness. It aims at a deeper conscious relation to what is ultimately real. It has nothing directly to do with others - the realm of organised religion - beyond the realisation that others are as connected to oneself as tomorrow's self to today's.

Atheism is commonly described as the position that there are no deities; the absence of religion. The two are not even in the same ballpark.

They're commonly found in the same benighted ballpark - pitching and refuting gods - oblivious to the God that might be glimpsed above.

There are three types of atheism: absence of belief, disbelief, and certain knowledge of the non-existence of God.

Buddhism is an atheistic religion in the first sense: the question of a god does not arise at all.

Of gods, there are two: the finite god and the infinite (eternal, omnipotent, omniscient) God. The former is of no ultimate significance. The latter can only be identified with the Totality/Nature/Universe. It resists any limited form, characteristic or anthropomorphism humans might project on it - personal, benevolent, vengeful, loving, interested in humans, existent, non-existent - yet it manifests all that through consciousness.

The mindset of the atheism of disbelief is mired in the empirical realm, rejecting only finite concepts of god, without awareness of any greater reality beyond appearance. The infinite God can not appear in its totality and present evidence of its reality because it is not finite/bounded or separate from the observer.

Atheism doesn't provide you with a set of beliefs, it doesn't provide you with comfort that there's salvation/afterlife and it doesn't provide you with deities to worship. How exactly, then, is atheism religion?

Whether belief or disbelief, the object of worship is belief itself - and its source, ego. Ego substantiates its sense of reality and identity with these belief structures. Psychologically, it performs the same function as that which it rejects.

The way I sum up atheism is like this: atheists do not take for granted fairytales that some guy wrote down in a cave or a tent so he can control his people with it.

I think the atheism of disbelief is an important step, as it is a break away from the illusion of external religious authority and the herd mentality, a placing of value on rationality, and an assertion of the individual's control over his own mind and ability to discern the truth for himself. But it's not a place to rest because (dis)beliefs are not ultimate destinations but just comfortable places (in the sense of relief from the discomfort of conscious thought that challenges your identity and reality) that invite the danger of sleep.

Point of most of the religions is to control people with the greatest fear that people have: the fear of death. The name of some religions itself will give you a clue as to what they're about. For example, word "islam" literally means submission...  from 'aslama 'submit (to God).'

All religions put you in a box and put shackles on your mind. That's how they're able to control you.

True religion or spirituality is about realising that there are no shackles and no box, and that nothing can usurp your will without your relinquishing it.

The greatest fear is of loss of control, not oblivion - which is actually what organised religion, drugs, TalmudVision, etc., offer: a reprieve from consciousness. Submitting to control by an external religious authority is one escape from consciousness. Better to submit to and affirm the highest reality one can conceive than fall into a base reality of material greed, philistinism, hedonism and mediocrity promoted by zionists. To know the truth of what that is or could be requires submission to or faith in reason and faith in the possibility of such a higher reality. One might become its living expression through submission.


Mike, I think we essentially agree in that I reject organised religion and anything that undermines the sovereignty of the individual and truth.

When stripped of poetic licence and accumulated detritus, many religions (judaism excepted) reveal a valuable kernel of truth.

On Jesus: I think he was raised in the jewish cult but conquered it within himself.

Debating religion or non religion is like running in the special Olympics ....

does it count if I went round backwards?    :lolno:

[MikeWB]

My simple approach at this point has been to believe that Jesus probably did exist, but I'm not basing it strictly off of the Bible. No, I rely more upon the fact that the Talmud attacks this person. The fact that this person is attacked in a text by peoples who clearly have a hatred for him and what he represents is pretty strong evidence IMHO that he lived. And today, the jews who think they are so cunning, are promoting this notion that he never existed. They won't respond to questions about why their own texts acknowledge his life while attacking him. They don't have any logical explanation for why their texts didn't just outright claim that he didn't exist. Now as to the him being a jew, well, I don't think I've seen enough evidence to indicate either way. It would be interesting to see if the Talmud claims he was a jew. I don't think I've seen anything in the talmud indicating what his background was. He was certainly treated as the "best among goyim" though....

Whether Jesus was real or not is largely irrelevant. Yes, there are records that someone named Jesus lived at that time and that he was hailed as Messiah but what records also indicate is that there were many more self-proclaimed Messiahs who too were roaming across Palestine spreading their gospel. Jesus was just one of those Messiahs. Some of them were even crucified just like Jesus was. The simple fact that Jesus preached mostly to the jews, that the jews were his disciples and the fact that Rabbinical court had the authority to prosecute him in their court tells us that he was probably a jew since Rabbinical court had no say over goyim and occupiers, the Romans, did. The whole "Pontius Pilate washing his hands episode" rests on the fact that jews are to blame for his murder and not Romans.

St Peter, the first Pope, was also jewish: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Peter_and_Judaism

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

It should also be noted that ALL of the top atheists (i.e. dawkins, harris, maher, hitchens, etc) are along the same lines as Mr. harris. They promote the idea that Islam is a dangerous violent religion, that Christianity is delusional and they all support the official story of September 11th. But they only have nice things to say about Jews if anything at all. Is this a coincidence?

MSMD:

Am I stating the obvious and commonly known when I remark that Dawkins' mummy is Jewish so under halakah, he is too?
The other names in the quote look horribly ... familiar - I am pretty sure hitchens has "heritage" and as for harris, maher... do the names say it all?
There does seem to be a disproportionate number in the Jewish religion/ethnicity/race/nation-without-borders group that promote militant "atheism" (almost an oxymoron).
Likewise many ethnic Jews seem to lose it and become Buddhists instead.
Or as Pinay indicates in "The Plot Against the Church", is this behaviour not in fact to be taken at face value but to be interpreted, as ever, as intentionally destructive of other religions but as a prelude to the establishment of the Jewish "god" and his King in Jerusalem i.e. the end justifies the means?

Yeah these top atheists seem to always have a Jewish mummy, Harris and Maher included. I'm not sure if Dawkins had a Jewish mum. Dawkins is the only one out of the bunch who's said something like this though:

"When you think about how fantastically successful the Jewish lobby has been, though, in fact, they are less numerous I am told -- religious Jews anyway -- than atheists and [yet they] more or less monopolize American foreign policy as far as many people can see. So if atheists could achieve a small fraction of that influence, the world would be a better place." source

At least he admits the obvious, whereas the others just deny everything and feed us disinfo about Islamic terrorism and tell us Judaism is "the best" out of the three major faiths.

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

the jews will be the scapegoats for their elite if they get cornered.

The Jews are not scapegoats for anybody. Gentiles are always scapegoats for the Jews however. They scapegoated the Romans for the crucifixion of Christ and now they're scapegoating Muslims for all of their terrorism. If people are pointing the finger at the Jews then they're pointing the finger at the Jewish elites as well, nobody is getting a pass. The Jews will always be the cause of their own demise. It is the inevitable reaction to their laws. Whether elite or non-elite, they generally operate as a parasite, sucking the host nation dry of its wealth and then moving on to its next victim. You do all the work they get all the benefit. The following quote illustrates quite well why the Jew has been so persecuted throughout the centuries:

"The genius of the Jews is to live off people, not off the land, nor off the production of commodities from raw materials, but off people. Let other people till the soil; the Jew, if he can, will live off the tiller. Let other people toil at trades and manufacture; the Jew will exploit the fruits of their work. That is his particular genius. If this genius be described as parasitic, the term would seem to be justified." -- Henry Ford, Sr  Author of  'The International Jew '

Also see What Famous Men Said About Jews.

[brandon dean]

the jews will be the scapegoats for their elite if they get cornered.

The Jews are not scapegoats for anybody. Gentiles are always scapegoats for the Jews however. They scapegoated the Romans for the crucifixion of Christ and now they're scapegoating Muslims for their terrorism. If people are pointing the finger at the Jews then they're pointing the finger at the Jewish elites as well, nobody is getting a pass. The Jews will always be the cause of their own demise. It is the inevitable reaction to their laws. Whether elite or non-elite, they generally operate as a parasite, sucking the host nation dry of its wealth and then moving on to its next victim. You do all the work they get all the benefit. The following quote illustrates quite well why the Jew has been so persecuted throughout the centuries:

"The genius of the Jews is to live off people, not off the land, nor off the production of commodities from raw materials, but off people. Let other people till the soil; the Jew, if he can, will live off the tiller. Let other people toil at trades and manufacture; the Jew will exploit the fruits of their work. That is his particular genius. If this genius be described as parasitic, the term would seem to be justified." -- Henry Ford, Sr  Author of  'The International Jew '

Also see What Famous Men Said About Jews.

I'm definitely aware of how the jews have acted as parasites on many different civilizations.  however, my statement still stands, and there is historical precedent to back it up.  it was the zionists who sold out the polish and german jews to be FORCEFULLY deported to palestine, and it was jews who funded hitler, who rounded up the jews to send them to palestine.  of course once hitler reneged on those loans is when world jewry declared war on germany in 1933, but that's besides the point.  the point is that the elite of the jews used the eastern european jews as scapegoats.

another example of jews using jews as scapegoats would be letting the blame for blood sacrifice and usury fall upon the backs of all jews, rich or poor.  poor jews are obviously not involved in usury, because they have no damn money to loan.  the known and established cases of jewish blood sacrifice of non-jews are so few that there is no way all jews could be guilty of it, yet those responsible for it seem more than happy to let the blame fall on the head of the average jew.

so there are 3 historical examples of jews using jews as scapegoats.  another is the state of israel itself.  here you have a country which is run by atheists who claim to be jews, who actually oppress religious and sephardic jews, and who exploit the past suffering of jews for the sake of media and world legitimacy.  if that is not scapegoating, I don't know what is.

have you not seen the endless videos of israeli police attacking anti-zionist rabbis, and beating the living shit out of them?  shit, they even raided one of their synagogues and went on a destructive rampage, in a JEWISH synagogue.

this issue is PLENTY more complicated than simply jew=evil.  I am NOT defending jews or anyone else.  they are more than open to criticism in my book.  but at the same time, growing up and living my whole life in los angeles, I have known many many jews.  what I know about jews in this country is they are almost ALL secular, non-religious jews, who are simply clinging to a cultural heritage, and are as brainwashed as the average american or more.  most never go to the synagogue except on their "holy" days, just like most christians I've known don't ever go to church except on their holy days.  there are pockets of orthodox communities in a few cities, but most jews in this country, as in israel, are simply not religious.

I'm of the opinion that ashkenazi jewish CULTURE is not compatible with the rest of humanity.  so in that sense, I agree that judaism is the problem.  but the sephardic jews lived in peace with the arabs for two thousand years.  there are still some 40,000 sephardic jews who live in iran, who refused to be bought off by israel to move to israel.  they said fuck off to the 100,000 shekels the israeli government was offering, and they still live in iran, in peace with their muslim neighbors.  I have an iranian american muslim friend who went out with an iranian jew for a while.  from what this guy says, iranian jews HATE israelis, because they are atheists and, well, scammers and liars and thieves.

all I'm trying to say is this is a very complicated issue.  

I love the "what famous men say about jews" video.  by the way, your blog is great, and I subscribed.  I loved the kapner interview you have linked at the top.

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

I'm definitely aware of how the jews have acted as parasites on many different civilizations.  however, my statement still stands, and there is historical precedent to back it up.  it was the zionists who sold out the polish and german jews to be FORCEFULLY deported to palestine, and it was jews who funded hitler, who rounded up the jews to send them to palestine.  of course once hitler reneged on those loans is when world jewry declared war on germany in 1933, but that's besides the point.  the point is that the elite of the jews used the eastern european jews as scapegoats.

Just because little Jewry was paraded around at the whim of big Jewry during WWII does not mean they were used as scapegoats. When you come to the realization that the holoco$t is a fairy tale, you can't still assert that little Jewry got fucked over by Zionist Jewry during WWII. They simply got up and left. They were all over the broncs, and Los Angeles, and Sydney Australia, and London, etc. 59.7 million goys were killed during this war. About 300,000 Jews died mostly of typhus, starvation and other means. The only winners of WWII was world Jewry. They got their state and worldwide sympathy via this holoco$t bedtime story that is physically impossible in every way. They got everything they wanted. If you feel bad for those 300,000 Jews that died as opposed to 59.7 million gentiles then i don't know what to tell you.

another example of jews using jews as scapegoats would be letting the blame for blood sacrifice and usury fall upon the backs of all jews, rich or poor.  poor jews are obviously not involved in usury, because they have no damn money to loan.

Jews are the most successful minority group of all time. There are hardly any poor jews. Even the ones that are poor still act like parasites. In the movie Defamation, when the Israeli guy was interviewing some Blacks in a poorish part black part jewish neighborhood, the black lady said that the Jews are always the first ones to find out about and utilize any kind of social welfare services that the state offers. It's in their very nature to take advantage of everything they can.

the known and established cases of jewish blood sacrifice of non-jews are so few that there is no way all jews could be guilty of it, yet those responsible for it seem more than happy to let the blame fall on the head of the average jew.

I don't know what you mean by this. Vicky Polin's family were "average Jews", and they were involved in ritual sacrifices.

so there are 3 historical examples of jews using jews as scapegoats.

Well two of the three examples are not really valid, I don't see the scapegoating there. And the first one was not so much scapegoating as just using the lower ones to accomplish a  bigger objective "for the good of the Jewish people", etc.

I don't see why everything is limited to the "elites" and that all ordinary jews are angels or not involved in anything shady. The Talmud encourages that Jews can engage in shady business dealing with gentiles but not with Jews. This can occur on any level of business dealing, not just high finance. What about the "ordinary" Jewish rabbi pedophiles, and the "ordinary" Jews who support Israel (which is a majority of them) and the "ordinary" Jews who operated as support groups for communism, adn the "ordinary" Jews who were caught money laundering and organ trafficking in New Jersey. My point is not that all jews are bad, it is that Jews do what's best for jews on any level -- they are only out for themselves. And they generally leave their morals at the door when they enter a goy society ( or they just don't have any morals to begin with).

another is the state of israel itself.  here you have a country which is run by atheists who claim to be jews, who actually oppress religious and sephardic jews, and who exploit the past suffering of jews for the sake of media and world legitimacy.  if that is not scapegoating, I don't know what is.

Well don't religious Jews follow the racist Talmud? Aren't the ultra-orthodox ones the most abhorrently racist of the bunch? In my estimation they are. I have no reason to believe that the sephardi are any better than the ashkenazis, and there are many sephardi that are some of the most hardcore Zionists and Talmudists. Many people, not just you, buy into this myth that the sephardi are somehow nicer than the others, but why would that be? The rabbis caught money laundering and organ trafficking in New Jersey were sephardic. It really doesn't matter what blood flows through their veins, jewishness is a mindset. And about your comment of israel exploiting past suffering of Jews. What suffering? The holocaust is not real. Even if the holocaust was real I'm sure u r correct and that it would be exploited just as they exploit this phony holocaust. Have you read "The Holocaust Industry" by Norman Finkelstein? All kinds of Jews who were not in the least bit involved in the concentration camps or the war started popping up and claiming to be holocaust survivors and were asking for reparations. There have been all kinds of hoax memoirs, novels and sotries that are mostly fiction, that Jews have made a killing off of. They have million dollar holocaust museums funded by taxpayer dollars. It's really really disgusting to see. Jews exploit anything and everything even each other at times.

have you not seen the endless videos of israeli police attacking anti-zionist rabbis, and beating the living shit out of them?  shit, they even raided one of their synagogues and went on a destructive rampage, in a JEWISH synagogue.

I've seen stuff like that. And I'm sure they piss each other off from time to time. But how does that excuse the Talmud and this idea of chosen-ness that most Jews have which deems a gentile as worth less than them and therefore can be treated as such? These anti-zioninst rabbis in Israel are on the dole (subsidized by the Israeli government) so they can stay home and study Talmud all day. I don't see a good reason to like them just because they have a fundamental religious belief that says a Jewish state is heretical until their messiah returns. because that's what the Neturei Karta are about, it's about religion first and maybe a little sympathy for the Palestinians but that's always secondary. I don't respect that. I respect secular anti-Zionist jews more than neturei karta who are motivated mainly by religious beliefs.

what I know about jews in this country is they are almost ALL secular, non-religious jews, who are simply clinging to a cultural heritage, and are as brainwashed as the average american or more.  most never go to the synagogue except on their "holy" days, just like most christians I've known don't ever go to church except on their holy days.  there are pockets of orthodox communities in a few cities, but most jews in this country, as in israel, are simply not religious.

Yes, that is true, less than 35% of them even attend Synagogue. Whether it be ultra orthodox religious, secular, atheist, capitalist, communist, Zionist or some other sub-sect or denomination, they all still call themselves JEWS. Why is that? Because Jews are a racial ethnic group not just a religion. And racial ethnic groups have certain traits. Concerning the Jews they are traders and money changers, usurers, etc. They dominate all the trades that don't require manual labor. This is parasitic at its core. Political radicalism is a Jewish sub-culture and zionism is a way for non-religious jews to participate in Judaic culture. It is a way for non-religious Jews to fulfill the many prophecies of the Talmud and Kabbalah without having to practice Judaism and all of the boring bullshit that it requires.

I love the "what famous men say about jews" video. by the way, your blog is great, and I subscribed. I loved the kapner interview you have linked at the top.

Thanks mate.