A Freemason in We Are Change NYC

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

A pretty good link on the Jew Mafia and Batista and Castro.  Keep in mind that Castro wanted to carry out revolutions throughout S. America and actually welcomed Trotsky's ice-pick killer Merced to Cuba after the deed.

Whether Cuba is/was run by the Jew Capitalists-Jew Puppets-Jew Mafias, or the Jew Communist International, it is the same side of the bankrupt shekel. Remember though that Hitler and the Spanish Dictator Franco kept both out of their countries in the 1930s. Of all places, it looks like Russia has suffered the worst of both Jew run organizations but in different orders than the Spanish-Cuban ones.  After WWII, most of the revolutions were sponsored by Stalin and his Jews before he turned on them and was killed after the Doctor's Plot.

  Some background on the Jew Castro, Jew Mafias and Cuba:

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=9308&p=35141

Remember too that the whole "purpose" of the FreeMasons is to construct the "3rd Temple in Jerusalem". It has always been a Jew Tool in all countries. Especially at the highest levels.

If Jew Castro (mini-Stalin) ever steps down and Communism collapses in Cuba, you will see the Jew mafias return from all over the world like they did in Russia in the 1990s.

[thirdeyewise]

Very few people would doubt the existence of Masonic gestures / poses and you've provided many examples to that effect. Freemasonry's aim, however, isn't Communism but Lurianic Kabalist

If anyone of us were to say, Freemasonry's purpose is:

Lurianic Kabbalah
Communism
Talmudism
Building of the 3rd temple

We would all be right because It's all Judaism

Castro is a Mason, you yourself explained what that means.




It was no coincidence that the Order of the Illuminati was founded on the first of May, the same day celebrated in Communism.

"To give those who might understand a shortcut....... Illuminism is Communism. "                     – William Cooper

"the purpose of Freemasonry is to bring about Communism. "  - Christian Rakovsky

Freemasonry is Cabala and, in the words of Andre Krylienko, (The Red Thread) it was "launched for the purpose of enlisting non-Jews consciously or unconsciously in the service of Jewry."

The motto of Freemasonry is to return all the wealth of the world to King Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem.

a modern mason represents a Jewish worker.
a master mason represents a Jewish king.
a masonic lodge represents a Jewish temple.

[ahaze]

If the situation with Iran goes the way it seems it is going and we end up in WW3, then whose agenda is being served. When Russian bombs start raining on American cities will we all still be rooting for Putin or whatever group of countries side against America because we think they are anti-Zionist. They want us to think there are two sides to this but in the end we all lose.

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Quoting Gordon Duff from the YT thirdeyewise provides...

"There is no better friend that Israel has than Ahmadinajad.  There is no one that serves them any better.  If it weren't for the rhetoric from Israel and the U.S. the people of Iran would have gotten rid of him long ago.  He's only in there now as Karzai is in Afghanistan with a stolen election.  He's an unpopular leader with a people that are very advanced that have a love of democracy and that are absolutely sick of being run by this moron and a pack of mullahs."

I know this view as the general perspective of many Iranians by Iranian-Americans now living in my neck of the woods.  Ahmadinejad is regarded a clown or buffoon on par with Bush.  The advanced democracy loving Iranians I know have spelled out their awareness of the infiltration of their government with allusions to Israeli U.S. gyrations orchestrating.  The 1953 overthrow of the democratically-elected PM Mosaddegh by the CIA laid the groundwork, and everything that's followed has been political theater with parasites suppressing progress.

Its difficult for me to make the jump to Hitler as directly controlled asset though.  I see the plausability, but (as previously pointed out) Hitler suffered extensive homelessness and the WWI defeat of Germany was in part due to Jewish funding of German enemies priming the backlash Hitler took the helm of.  So I wouldn't think the personal or nationalist hardships Hitler endured would make him a candidate for direct allegiance to Jewish control.  But if MLK Jr. can be a Jewish controlled asset I suppose there are ways Hitler could, and all the research on Castro and Chavez poses interesting questions.

[Ahmed]

thirdeyewise wrote:If anyone of us were to say, Freemasonry's purpose is:

Lurianic Kabbalah
Communism
Talmudism
Building of the 3rd temple

We would all be right because It's all Judaism

The Kaabalist dictatorship is slightly different; if Communist rule was bad, then Kaabalist rule is Hell On Earth, the last phase of the Talmudic Jew Kahal. If you refer back to the Pike- Mazzini plan, August 15th 1871 each stage requires that the previous set up be levelled without the perpetrators being identified or bought to justice, the old parasite-host routine. The Kabaalist-Talmudic Jew world government is the worst of the worst, and that's what we're dealing with today.

Castro is a Mason, you yourself explained what that means.

I can't confirm or deny that he is but we can confirm that Andrew Jackson, the man who "killed the bank" and dismantled Rothschild in America was a mason, and that complicates the issue somewhat IMO.



If Castro was a mason, and Fidel struck a body blow against the Rothschild criminal network how would you react to that and how then could any of us, provided he did the damage, claim that he was controlled?

For example, should nations where Cuban forces were dispatched to fight Israelis have refused these partisans because they suspected Castro was a Mason?





"If this hostility, even aversion, had only been shown towards the Jews at one period and in one country, it would be easy to unravel the limited causes of this anger, but this race has been on the contrary an object of hatred to all the peoples among whom it has established itself. It must be therefore, since the enemies of the Jews belonged to the most diverse races, since they lived in countries very distant from each other, since they were ruled by very different laws, governed by opposite principles, since they had neither the same morals, nor the same customs, since they were animated by unlike dispositions which did not permit them to judge of anything in the some way, it must be therefore that the general cause of anti-Semitism has always resided in Israel itself and not in those who have fought against Israel."

Bernard Lazare, 'L'antisémitisme son histoire et ses causes'.

[Ahmed]

Gordon Duff wrote: There is no better friend that Israel has than Ahmadinajad. There is no one that serves them any better. If it weren't for the rhetoric from Israel and the U.S. the people of Iran would have gotten rid of him long ago. He's only in there now as Karzai is in Afghanistan with a stolen election. He's an unpopular leader with a people that are very advanced that have a love of democracy and that are absolutely sick of being run by this moron and a pack of mullahs.

I vehemently disagree with Gordon Duff, as do the facts.

To try and compare some Rothschild appointed stooge like Karzai, put into power on the back of a foreign military occupation, to a popular, twice elected leader like Ahmedinejad, is so ludicrous that it barely warrants rebuttal.

The rest of Duff's hit piece is a preposterous canard, that wouldn't look out of place on a Hasbra leaflet.

ahaze wrote: I know this view as the general perspective of many Iranians by Iranian-Americans now living in my neck of the woods. Ahmadinejad is regarded a clown or buffoon on par with Bush. The advanced democracy loving Iranians I know have spelled out their awareness of the infiltration of their government with allusions to Israeli U.S. gyrations orchestrating. The 1953 overthrow of the democratically-elected PM Mosaddegh by the CIA laid the groundwork, and everything that's followed has been political theater with parasites suppressing progress.

It should come as no surprise to discover that Zionist Jew backed terrorist group; The MKO was forced to admit its role in the violent demonstrations that rocked Teheran, in the wake of the disputed 09 elections. Among its list of crimes, the MKO were used to assassinate Iranian PM Mohammad-Ali Rajai in 1981.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but the 'opposition' you mention are primarily Zionist appeasing freeloaders. Eager to once again become henchpersons for U.S. ZOG imperialism; they are the descendants, supporters and acolytes of The Phalavi Dynasty ™ 'Selling Out Since 1929'. Iran, today, is a free country by God's will and precisely because it purged ranks of almost every hypocrite, appeaser and all those who would give aid & comfort to Rothschild criminals.

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"If this hostility, even aversion, had only been shown towards the Jews at one period and in one country, it would be easy to unravel the limited causes of this anger, but this race has been on the contrary an object of hatred to all the peoples among whom it has established itself. It must be therefore, since the enemies of the Jews belonged to the most diverse races, since they lived in countries very distant from each other, since they were ruled by very different laws, governed by opposite principles, since they had neither the same morals, nor the same customs, since they were animated by unlike dispositions which did not permit them to judge of anything in the some way, it must be therefore that the general cause of anti-Semitism has always resided in Israel itself and not in those who have fought against Israel."

Bernard Lazare, 'L'antisémitisme son histoire et ses causes'.

[thirdeyewise]

Ultimately, a man isn't his lineage or surname but what he does.

It is beyond a shadow of a doubt that he has private dealing with Jews/Israelis, while publicly he chastises them.
http://theforbiddentruth.net/39875-post4.html

is there any wonder why in his last statement Castro mentions the Jewish scam called the Holocaust, as if it really happened, all in line with the Jewish script.

"the crematoria where millions of Jews of all ages were exterminated by the Nazis"
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=11626

Let's keep the list going:

Here is Castro promoting all the things you would expect from a person trying to implement the new world order agenda.

Fidel Castro Bashes Arizona's SB 1070
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/24089

Fidel Castro says Obama 'brave' on global warming
http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKN23309030._CH_.2420

Fidel Castro: The struggle now is to save our species
http://links.org.au/node/1446

Fidel Castro lauds Nobel prize for Obama
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5991C120091010



Tell me do you think Castro does not know that Zionist/Communist control Obama, just as they controlled Bush. Do you think Castro does not know that Global Warming is a fraud. He knows, just as Chavez knows. He is trying to create the dialectic mindset, Bush bad...Obama Good, now the world can work towards global cooperation.

Remeber when Chavez called bush Satan and said he could still smell the odor of sulfur lingering at the podium but when Obama was elected he all of a sudden smells hope....yeah, right.


"It doesn't smell of sulfur here anymore," Chavez said in a clear allusion to an earlier insult he foisted on former President George W. Bush from the same podium three years earlier. "It smells of something else. It smells of hope," he said, referencing Obama's presidential campaign.

Don't you think Chavez is fully aware that the people that controlled Bush are the same ones that control Obama, yet here he is acting as if there is a difference.

"I want to be your friend," Chavez told Obama as both presidents shook hands. Chavez thanked Obama's gesture. "It was a good moment," Chavez told reporters afterwards. "He is a very intelligent man, young, and he is black. He is an experienced politician in spite of his young age,"

[ahaze]

It should come as no surprise to discover that Zionist Jew backed terrorist group; The MKO was forced to admit its role in the violent demonstrations that rocked Teheran, in the wake of the disputed 09 elections. Among its list of crimes, the MKO were used to assassinate Iranian PM Mohammad-Ali Rajai in 1981.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but the 'opposition' you mention are primarily Zionist appeasing freeloaders. Eager to once again become henchpersons for U.S. ZOG imperialism; they are the descendants, supporters and acolytes of The Phalavi Dynasty ™ 'Selling Out Since 1929'. Iran, today, is a free country by God's will and precisely because it purged ranks of almost every hypocrite, appeaser and all those who would give aid & comfort to Rothschild criminals.

So would it be accurate to presume Shirin Ebadi is a fraud in the context from which you speak?

I remember the disclosures on MKO instigating the terrorism in Teheran during the '09 elections.  But that doesn't qualify free elections took place.  Rather to the contrary it guarantees the country was severely shaken, empowering existing leadership, confusing the population.

I find it very difficult to regard Iran as a 'free country' in light of their recent expulsion of Maryam Rostampour and Marzieh Amirizadeh for the apostasy charges they faced converting to Christianity.  This is consistent with grievances of Iranian-Americans I'm familiar with who cite examples of the current regime's oppressive enforcement of Islamic laws and how those have been used to undermine progressive enterprises.

I appreciate the vid of Ahmadinejad and I want to believe in it but I think it also stands as an example of what an effective cheerleader for WWIII he can be.  (Similar to examples thirdeyewise points out about Castro and Chavez enforcing a dialectic favorable to NWO reorg plans.)

[Ahmed]

What's your view on Andrew Jackson's Masonic ties in contrast to the successful war he waged on Rothschild, and should nations where Cuban forces were dispatched to fight Israelis have refused these partisans because they suspected Castro was a Mason?

thirdeyewise wrote:is there any wonder why in his last statement Castro mentions the Jewish scam called the Holocaust, as if it really happened, all in line with the Jewish script.

Besides Obama and climate change, Fidel says more or less what I say about the Arizona bill and challenges to human existence. Chavez and Castro have since revoked their positive stance on Obama, I recall Chavez recently referred to him as an "ignoramus" whilst Castro suggests Obama "lives in a world of fantasy".

Fidel used their own propaganda against them in an effective manner. His primary objective was to highlight the savagery of the Zionist Jew, and he did so by evoking comparisons of events and ideas that they themselves have attempted to ingrain into the mainstream (i.e. holocaust, brutality of Nazism). Castro knew full well that if he addressed ZOM (Zionist Owned Media) reps with the statement: 'Zionist Jews are evil and the holocaust is a lie' that the first part wouldn't even get a look in. Also, being compared to their mortal enemies the Germans, frustrates the Jew no end.
 
This was the old style of subverting negative intent and it works quite well up to a point. But now the media is changing, and world leaders are encouraged to play it straight down the middle like Mahmoud Ahmedinejad or Mahathir Mohamad.

On the issue of Cuba-Israel trade ties. Its worth noting that Zionist Jew terrorist Rafi 'Stinky' Eitan entered trade bids via Brazilian Jew Irving Semmel and the GBM a.k.a. Reesimex consortium, so effectively got in through the back door. Still, I'm not making excuses for Cuba here: I'm against any kind of Talmudic Jew or Zionist investments in any country. And think it's a massive tactical error to let these people worm their way back in, after so many decades of successful defence. Castro wasn't personally involved in granting GBM a contract but should've shut them down the second Stinky appeared on the scene. I understand this was one of a series of a bitter compromises borne out of collective need during the crisis of 94, just hope Castro and all Cubans remain vigilant against this fifth column.
 
The Fidel Castro era has come to a close, and I salute him for the good he did for many decades and look on with some concern at latter-day decisions that I disagree with.

A line has been drawn IMO. And popular sentiment will dictate the path that Latin America chooses in the months and years ahead, there are some good leaders about as I mentioned earlier, some of them are genuine and others will have to make their mind up about where they stand. Lets hope it works out for the best.

[Ahmed]

ahaze wrote: So would it be accurate to presume Shirin Ebadi is a fraud in the context from which you speak?

Yes, I'd have to call out Dr. Ebadi as being in with the wrong crowd, though the Iranian government could've addressed her case in a more holistic manner.

For example, I would've liked to have heard an explanation as to why she accepted an invite from Canadian MP John Weston to speak in West Vancouver / Canadian International Peace Project earlier this year.

Weston being the shabbos goy who recently 'condemned' the IDF terror attack on the Freedom Flotilla with this statement:

"The Government of Canada firmly recognizes Israel's right to protect its citizens from terrorist attacks. Canada also remains committed to the long-term goal of a negotiated settlement to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The Canadian government urges both parties to re-engage in direct bilateral negotiations toward a comprehensive peace settlement to ensure two states side by side living in peace and security."

Put a brand on this pathetic goy and call it a purchase.

Thus if Shirin Ebadi, as learned and respectable a figure as she in, throws her lot in with lowlifes like Weston it only serves to undermine anything important she may have to say.

I remember the disclosures on MKO instigating the terrorism in Teheran during the '09 elections. But that doesn't qualify free elections took place. Rather to the contrary it guarantees the country was severely shaken, empowering existing leadership, confusing the population.

Interesting hypothesis but I have a hunch that the MKO were also there to instigate propaganda surrounding the killing of Neda Soltan. Thus were working for Zionist Jew interests and not those of the Iranians.

I find it very difficult to regard Iran as a 'free country' in light of their recent expulsion of Maryam Rostampour and Marzieh Amirizadeh for the apostasy charges they faced converting to Christianity. This is consistent with grievances of Iranian-Americans I'm familiar with who cite examples of the current regime's oppressive enforcement of Islamic laws and how those have been used to undermine progressive enterprises.

I understand these ladies were cleared of apostasy and left of their own volition. It was their links to the dubious Elam Ministries that were under investigation IMO. Conversion can't be that dangerous if Elam's own site claims to have converted "thousands of Iranians" since 1988.

Elam is a missionary organization enshrouded in mystery, allegedly bolstered by six Brits in 1990, its fostered some rather undesirable associations with U.S. Christian Zionist fanatics like J. Lee Grady and the like. Grady said of Elam's Iranian frontman Sam Lazarus Yeghnazar (who fled to England in 1988):

"My friend Lazarus Yeghnazar, an Iranian evangelist based in England, hopes you will develop some compassion for this part of the world. More than 3,000 Iranians are converted each month, a vibrant New Testament church is thriving in Iran, in spite of brutal persecution under Ahmadinejad's regime. And this growing spiritual awakening in Iran could play a significant role in end-time events."

"Believers in Iran are not praying for persecution," Yeghnazar told me, "but they know it is helping fuel the growth of their churches."

"Yeghnazar is aware of the danger lurking inside Iran. The country has exported trained terrorists for 30 years and has fuelled the growth of Hezbollah, the Palestinian Intifada and suicide bombers in Iraq ..."

At which point I stopped reading and filed the group under SG-ETW for 'Shabbos Goy-End Time Whackos'.  

I appreciate the vid of Ahmadinejad and I want to believe in it but I think it also stands as an example of what an effective cheerleader for WWIII he can be. (Similar to examples thirdeyewise points out about Castro and Chavez enforcing a dialectic favorable to NWO reorg plans.)

I don't blame anyone for being suspicious or cynical; countless betrayals sharpen that instinct and it's necessary at times. I just don't want to be someone who criticizes ZOG stooges for never mentioning Talmudic-Jewry, holocaust or Zionist crimes and then call anyone who does an agent provocateur of some kind. I also hope that the sentiments are genuine, but look at it this way: there are some crimes that no matter what script you follow, no matter to whom you report or what kickbacks your nation receives, that cannot be tolerated, I believe the world is moving towards that time when Talmudism and Zionism will spoken of in the past tense.

[ahaze]

ahaze wrote: So would it be accurate to presume Shirin Ebadi is a fraud in the context from which you speak?

Yes, I'd have to call out Dr. Ebadi as being in with the wrong crowd, though the Iranian government could've addressed her case in a more holistic manner.

For example, I would've liked to have heard an explanation as to why she accepted an invite from Canadian MP John Weston to speak in West Vancouver / Canadian International Peace Project earlier this year.

Right, the overlapping interests cast suspicion, and yet something is not right about the way Iran handled her case.

I remember the disclosures on MKO instigating the terrorism in Teheran during the '09 elections. But that doesn't qualify free elections took place. Rather to the contrary it guarantees the country was severely shaken, empowering existing leadership, confusing the population.

Interesting hypothesis but I have a hunch that the MKO were also there to instigate propaganda surrounding the killing of Neda Soltan. Thus were working for Zionist Jew interests and not those of the Iranians.

Right, the connections between MKO and Zionist Jew interests surrounding Neda Soltan's execution are near de-facto, but just as with David Headly in the Mumbai bombing we end up in spook never-never-land trying to decipher who's working for who.  This still doesn't invalidate the good-cop/bad-cop "Mutt & Jeff" schtick the Protocols instruct must be played to arrive at favorable circumstances for the puppet masters.  The threat at hand to the Iranian masses was thoroughly communicated affording Ahmadinejad a 'Bush astride 9/11 wreckage' moment.  So for however insidious MKO, it doesn't guarantee Ahmadinejad's sainthood to me.

I find it very difficult to regard Iran as a 'free country' in light of their recent expulsion of Maryam Rostampour and Marzieh Amirizadeh for the apostasy charges they faced converting to Christianity. This is consistent with grievances of Iranian-Americans I'm familiar with who cite examples of the current regime's oppressive enforcement of Islamic laws and how those have been used to undermine progressive enterprises.

I understand these ladies were cleared of apostasy and left of their own volition. It was their links to the dubious Elam Ministries that were under investigation IMO. Conversion can't be that dangerous if Elam's own site claims to have converted "thousands of Iranians" since 1988.

As quick as Apocalyptic Christians crank up their psychosis I likewise get suspicious, but I also know many who have been obliviously indoctrinated and parrot those concerns without crucial comprehensions.  So however Elam Ministries may be discredited, the women were held for 250 days, malnourished, solitarily confined, and then waived of the charges provided they left the country so its hard for me to understand how that's 'of their own volition' when the circumstances exhibit all the characteristics of mandatory expulsion.  Perhaps that's a result of Ahmadinejad's regime blowing back on Zionist control, but the actions still speak to enforcing Islamic authority amplifying clash of nations potential.  

I don't blame anyone for being suspicious or cynical; countless betrayals sharpen that instinct and it's necessary at times. I just don't want to be someone who criticizes ZOG stooges for never mentioning Talmudic-Jewry, holocaust or Zionist crimes and then call anyone who does an agent provocateur of some kind. I also hope that the sentiments are genuine, but look at it this way: there are some crimes that no matter what script you follow, no matter to whom you report or what kickbacks your nation receives, that cannot be tolerated, I believe the world is moving towards that time when Talmudism and Zionism will spoken of in the past tense.

I don't doubt the critical distinctions posed here, and I agree certain crimes cannot be tolerated.  However with crimes global in nature, effective on a planetary scale, rationalizations built on standard parameters of basic world-views fall short attempting to explain the chaos making.  Given the worldwide crimes on international broadcast, it seems as if the instigators function with perspectives transcending conventional interpretations of cultures or nations and rather exploit such understandings to the fullest.  So while the Zionist provocation becomes more evident, so too the reactions of the leaders in focus here become more perplexing.

Just what motivates Ahmadinejad, Castro, Chavez, or Karzai may never be seen, but there seems little doubt they all exhibit megalomaniac power-mongering traits.  Whether those qualities are under coercion of over-arching power may lack proof, but the role they play opposing "enemies" locking debate in banal understanding can't be ignored.  The end result oppressing people and exploiting resources to the benefit of a small minority remains the same.

[Negentropic]

Castro was manufactured opposition from the beginning. The U.S. could fart and the communist regime in Cuba would have blown over a hundred times if the 'Soviets' had not stood behind them. And we all know who the 'Soviets' were.  Whetever lower ranking 'capitalists' wanted Castro out, the higher ranks and the bankers pulling the strings always wanted him in as a convenient threat to point to when they went on 'anti-communist' noble crusades all over the world later. Chavez has shown himself to be more of the same, although not strictly communist and not backed by anybody.  Chavez makes the hardcore leftists of the world think that there is some hope left.

Ahmedinejad was 'elected'  in a religious theocracy, an 'elected' post in a dictatorship that doesn't allow departure form strict fundamentalist Muslim doctrine. A woman needs two male witnesses to bring a rape charge against a man in that country and is stoned to death for adultery, that's the kind of draconian laws you're talking about Mr. Islamic hero presides over. He is nobody's hero but authentic for what he is, authenticity and heroism not being the same thing even if he's surely brave for being authentic:  anti-Zionist and serving the interests of the majority poor and lower class population of Iran who are heavily religious and who were not served by the Pahlavi puppet regime that catered to the educated middle and upper middle classes. The Islamic revolution was surely installed from outside but it ran out of their control when they tried to weaken both of israel's enemies Iran & Iraq by getting them to kill each other for 10 years.  It is out of their control now hence the endless push for war to regain control.

"Trying to explain everything is a fool's errand" - Vincent Bugliosi




How about Von Mises, was he a mason too?

[thirdeyewise]

What's your view on Andrew Jackson's Masonic ties in contrast to the successful war he waged on Rothschild

You said it best:

There are, however, decent people who sometimes end up in Freemasonry; not so much today as most know what it entails but there were a few in the past.

Yes, there have been those that initially were part of the set up but then used their position of power to try and change things, the Kennedy clan being the best example, but you see what always happens to those the veer from the script.

well we saw how those Talmudicheads declared war on Panama and Iraq once Manuel Noreiga and Saddam Hussein began thinking for themselves.

What you call "thinking for themselves", I simply call not following instructions. Why they stopped following the script can be left up to speculation and that is all it is...speculation. You think all of a sudden Saddam or Noriega (after decades of tyranny and drug dealing) just become good guys...no they simply, for whatever reason (greed,ego), stopped following their script, so of course...bye,bye!

Chavez and Castro have since revoked their positive stance on Obama, I recall Chavez recently referred to him as an "ignoramus" whilst Castro suggests Obama "lives in a world of fantasy".  

That only occurred once people started saying it was weird that they were so friendly with each other.

Besides Obama and climate change

Are you kidding, Climate Change is HUGE!
As a matter of fact, that issue alone should tell you what side Castro is on.

Here is another example of someone saying the exact same thing as Castro, another BIG NWO player:


Gorbachev has even been involved in the promotion of the worldwide control apparatus called global Warming/climate change, just like Castro & Chavez.


"The threat of environmental crisis will be the 'international disaster key' that will unlock the New World Order." -- Mikhail Gorbachev, quoted in "A Special Report: The Wildlands Project Unleashes Its War On Mankind", by Marilyn Brannan, Associate Editor, Monetary & Economic Review, 1996, p. 5

"We need a new environmental consciousness on a global basis. To do this, we need to educate people." - Mikhail Gorbachev, taken from the SMC Environmental Audit

http://climateprogress.org/2009/12/14/gorbachev-the-latest-scientific-research-on-climate-change-is-extremely-disturbing-we-have-a-real-emergency/

This is the same Gorbachev who also stated:


In October 1917, we parted with the old world, rejecting it once and for all. We are moving toward a new world, a world of Communism. We shall never turn off that road.
- Mikhail Gorbachev

Gentlemen, comrades, do not be concerned about all you hear about Glasnost and Perestroika and democracy in the coming years. They are primarily for outward consumption. There will be no significant internal changes in the Soviet Union, other than for cosmetic purposes. Our purpose is to disarm the Americans and let them fall asleep.
- Mikhail Gorbachev

Those who hope that we shall move away from the socialist path will be greatly disappointed. Every part of our program of perestroika ... is fully based on the principle of more socialism and more democracy. ... I would like to be clearly understood ... we, the Soviet people, are for socialism. ... We want more socialism and, therefore, more democracy. ... More socialism means more democracy, openness and collectivism in everyday life. ... We will proceed toward better socialism rather than away from it. We are saying this honestly, without trying to fool our own people or the world. Any hopes that we will begin to build a different, non-socialist society and go over to the other camp are unrealistic and futile. Those in the West who expect us to give up socialism will be disappointed. ... It's my conviction that the human race has entered a stage where we are all dependent on each other. No other country or nation should be regarded in total separation from another, let alone pitted against another. That's what our communist vocabulary calls internationalism and it means promoting universal human values. - Mikhail Gorbachev

The Fidel Castro era has come to a close

That's why when ever I mention castro I also mention Chavez, that's his mentor.

Don't let the fact that Castro sent troops here and there throw you off, we don't know for what purpose he did it. Take for example what Jack Bernstein said about the false Russian/Muslim alliance:

In viewing the 1973 War, most people and it seems most Arabs are of the impression that since Soviet Russia sold equipment to Egypt and other Arab countries, the Soviets were in support of the Arabs in the 1973 War. This is a false impression. To understand that this is the result of more deceit on the part of Israel and the Soviet Union, you must be aware of the Golda Meir -- Stalin/ Kaganovich Pact.
SOVIET UNION'S PART OF THE PACT WAS:

1. The Soviets would institute a pro-Arab policy solely as a camouflage for its true intentions which was to furnish aid to the Arabs, but never enough to enable the Arabs to destroy Israel.
2. The Soviets would open the gates of Soviet satellite countries to Jewish immigration to Israel. Should this be insufficient, Soviet Russia then would open its own gates to immigration.
3. The Soviets would absolutely guarantee the security of Israel.

- Jack Bernstein (The Life of an American Jew in Racist Marxist Israel)

http://theforbiddentruth.net/18919-post3.html

The dialectic requires protagonist vs. antagonist.

They put people in positions of power, some do evil some do good and it all works to benefit the 'master plan.  

It is through the illusion of conflict that these people find a way to implement their goals. The conflict is needed to make the solution provided seem like a natural fix. Remember, in the end the people will be demanding whatever oppression is planned for them, it has to appear as merely a natural consequence of something else.

[Ahmed]

Negentropic write: Castro was manufactured opposition from the beginning. The U.S. could fart and the communist regime in Cuba would have blown over a hundred times if the 'Soviets' had not stood behind them. And we all know who the 'Soviets' were.

Fidel Castro dismantled most of the Zionist Jew criminal underworld in Cuba (1959-60) before throwing his lot in with the Soviets (i.e. Talmudic Jews) which is why people give him some credit. And they did, by all accounts, try to assassinate him many times which suggests that he couldn't have been on board with everything. I don't accept that Castro was controlled from the beginning but concur with Bernstein's view on the Communist charade.

Cuba's proximity to the U.S. makes her an unpredictable country to try and control, or even intimidate.

Whetever lower ranking 'capitalists' wanted Castro out, the higher ranks and the bankers pulling the strings always wanted him in as a convenient threat to point to when they went on 'anti-communist' noble crusades all over the world later.

Sounds plausible, but don't you think 'The Bay of Pigs' failure had something to do with it as well?

Chavez has shown himself to be more of the same, although not strictly communist and not backed by anybody. Chavez makes the hardcore leftists of the world think that there is some hope left.

Its awkward to gauge the sentiments of all leftists whilst the "hardcore leftists", I presume, are in the minority anyway.

Ahmedinejad was 'elected' in a religious theocracy, an 'elected' post in a dictatorship that doesn't allow departure form strict fundamentalist Muslim doctrine.

Its kept Rothschild at bay for over 30 years, meanwhile our entire hemisphere is engaged in numerous wars for the Talmudists and held to ransom.  

A woman needs two male witnesses to bring a rape charge against a man in that country and is stoned to death for adultery, that's the kind of draconian laws you're talking about Mr. Islamic hero presides over.

I'm not an expert on Shariah Law but I know the witnesses rule applies to adultery not rape. That comes under the category of 'Hiraba', which translates as violent crimes and assaults. A lot of Muslim countries today, however, seem not to have read this widely published law and instead invent a variety of bizarre legislations which often end up blaming the victim.

The Return of The Caliph is the best way to keep society on the straight and narrow, when people see injustice at the top it filters down to the streets. But when honest leaders obey and enforce the law; the population tends to do likewise.

He is nobody's hero but authentic for what he is, authenticity and heroism not being the same thing even if he's surely brave for being authentic:

Who needs heroes? True grit and some sense of justice is what's required IMO: Andrew Jackson was no hero, Julius Ceaser and Hadrian were no heroes in the traditional sense, but they all rose to the challenge when it mattered.

anti-Zionist and serving the interests of the majority poor and lower class population of Iran who are heavily religious and who were not served by the Pahlavi puppet regime that catered to the educated middle and upper middle classes. The Islamic revolution was surely installed from outside but it ran out of their control when they tried to weaken both of israel's enemies Iran & Iraq by getting them to kill each other for 10 years. It is out of their control now hence the endless push for war to regain control.

All true.

[Ahmed]

ahaze wrote: Right, the connections between MKO and Zionist Jew interests surrounding Neda Soltan's execution are near de-facto, but just as with David Headly in the Mumbai bombing we end up in spook never-never-land trying to decipher who's working for who. This still doesn't invalidate the good-cop/bad-cop "Mutt & Jeff" schtick the Protocols instruct must be played to arrive at favorable circumstances for the puppet masters. The threat at hand to the Iranian masses was thoroughly communicated affording Ahmadinejad a 'Bush astride 9/11 wreckage' moment. So for however insidious MKO, it doesn't guarantee Ahmadinejad's sainthood to me.

I'd say that scenario was better suited to Georgia during their short war against Russia (i.e. long build up, bolstering a lame duck, George W. Bush-esque clown like Mikheil Saakashvi).

From what I could gather with regards to Iran, most of the information and Tweets at the time were trying to create a mood of populist pandemonium against the theocracy. But the spontaneous (no doubt some will call it staged) post election rally; in which about a million Iranians took to the streets in Tehran to support Ahmedinejad and Khameni, served to engulf the meticulously engineered agitation of the day before. And the so-called Green Revolution turned out to be nothing more than a Zionist squeegee, wrung out to the last drop.

Ahmedinejad's no saint, thank God, saints and the genteel have no place fighting on the front lines against a monolithic parasite like the Rothschild criminal network of Talmudic Jewry. Ahmedinejad is, God willing, a stand up guy who's accepted the challenge like billions of others, and he's also not a religious fanatic either, which means the focus will be universal as opposed to sectarian.

As quick as Apocalyptic Christians crank up their psychosis I likewise get suspicious, but I also know many who have been obliviously indoctrinated and parrot those concerns without crucial comprehensions.

These people are worse than Zionist Jews, because they lead Gentiles astray and into Talmudic practices presented with a Chrisitan face.

So however Elam Ministries may be discredited, the women were held for 250 days, malnourished, solitarily confined, and then waived of the charges provided they left the country so its hard for me to understand how that's 'of their own volition' when the circumstances exhibit all the characteristics of mandatory expulsion.

They copped a plea and the conditions that went with it.

There're no independent sources (at least none that I can find) which verify if mistreatment of the kind alleged took place. It appears to be a cynical ploy to try and undermine prison reforms overseen by Tehran's Prosecutor-General Hojatoleslam Abbas-Ali in 2005. Which were the first reforms of their kind in Iran and implemented by Mahmoud Ahmedinejad himself.

So unless there was some kind of ultra vires negligence or personal vendetta at work here, the facts don't add up to corroborate the incarceration experiences attributed to these ladies. Even Amnesty International (Francis Anthony Boyle's critique aside) states that the pair "may be prisoners of conscience" and that they were detained for "acting against the state" and "illegal gatherings". Vague charges to be sure, but it's a very vague case. One which slots a little too neatly into the engineered clash of civilisations paradigm you mentioned earlier.

So if it was purely a religious issue would Iran risk violating its own constitution (Articles 18 and 23) and why did the intelligence ministry not the ministry for religious affairs question them?

And again, why these two and not any of the "3000 Iranians a month" Elam ministries claim to be converting?

A lot of loose ends in this case, and the deluge of hysterical, anti-Iranian propaganda makes it even harder for any serious or rational examination of the evidence to take place. And I think that's the point, for again, we come to your pertinent observation about how these cases are handled by an apparently less than media-savvy judiciary. But when you consider all the cases they must go through a day: A few propaganda hit-pieces are bound to get by and go onto become part of the anti-Iranian lie machine, one that Rothschild needs to crank up to get gullible goys behind anotherJewish war.

 "Go help the Christians in Iran, goyim, you know it makes sense!"    "they're being persecuted I tells ya"     <-----"don't mind me, just passing through, nothing to see here".

I don't doubt the critical distinctions posed here, and I agree certain crimes cannot be tolerated. However with crimes global in nature, effective on a planetary scale, rationalizations built on standard parameters of basic world-views fall short attempting to explain the chaos making. Given the worldwide crimes on international broadcast, it seems as if the instigators function with perspectives transcending conventional interpretations of cultures or nations and rather exploit such understandings to the fullest. So while the Zionist provocation becomes more evident, so too the reactions of the leaders in focus here become more perplexing.


Just what motivates Ahmadinejad, Castro, Chavez, or Karzai may never be seen, but there seems little doubt they all exhibit megalomaniac power-mongering traits. Whether those qualities are under coercion of over-arching power may lack proof, but the role they play opposing "enemies" locking debate in banal understanding can't be ignored. The end result oppressing people and exploiting resources to the benefit of a small minority remains the same.

Well said, however its from this throng that, in our time and before, leaders have emerged to stem the tide of Talmudic terror through reason, resolve and armed struggle. There have been successes as well as failures, our lives and the mere existence of liberty; however strained, of decency; however fragile and sovereignty; however threatened, is proof of those victories.

We do run the risk, that having fought an uphill battle for so long, we fail to realize that we've turned a corner and are standing on the apex towards victory. I feel it in my bones, the momentum has swung in our favour and whilst no one in their right mind wants world war III, if or when Zionist Jews start one, I believe we'll win such a war in the end. And win  in so convincing a manner that the Talmudic nation and their enablers will accept terms of exile and temporary detachment from the rest of civilization.

[Ahmed]

thirdeyewise Don't let the fact that Castro sent troops here and there throw you off, we don't know for what purpose he did it. Take for example what Jack Bernstein said about the false Russian/Muslim alliance:

The Bernstein exposé is an accurate and a fair assessment of that stage in the agenda, and as I said earlier: both corporate fascism and communism are Rothschild dogmas designed to lead astray and eventually destroy the goyim. And neither could ever hope to offer a lasting solution to the problem, because they are the problem's ideological offspring.

The main point I'm trying to convey here, and I think you'll agree, is that we mustn't be inveigled into accepting the non-existent, but consistently projected, supremacy of the dialectic and resign ourselves to do nothing.

Its up to all of us (i.e. people who're against the criminals) to find that loophole, to manoeuvre the leadership around the paradigm and do all we can to subvert and overcome the parastic, Talmudic dogma; for their job is to enslave, ours is to liberate.

The Communists (i.e. Talmudic Jews, their dupes and enablers) have been meddling for Rothschild since 'Das Kapital' hit the shelves. Stalinist intervention in the Spanish civil war made the resistance look like villains; Joe sent over Russian Jews to "help their comrades" on the front line; these Talmudicheads ended up killing nuns, burning churches and made the whole resistance look like Bolsheviks. It was their wanton criminality that lent Franco support from the people and conferred a sense of legitimacy upon his rule. Franco was allegedly a Jew, for those who ever wondered why his regime didn't share the fate of his fascist allies Germany & Italy.

So if we agree that secularism has been infiltrated, compromised and for the most part failed miserably, if we agree that nearly every system capable of restoring reason and justice on Earth is on the payroll of the very criminals it ought to be at war with. Then we should look towards one that delivered its promises, that worked for the people and was, all things considered, honest for almost all of its rule: The Islamic Khalifah was around for a long time, and it was good.

Billions of people, now more than ever, would welcome The Return of The Caliph. For such an empire is, perhaps, the finest of all political systems IMO, one tried and tested, one feared by criminals the world over and rabidly repressed in our time by war, bribery, disinformation and plutocratic despotism. All should sign up to this idea because it's the only system that strafed the top criminal order of Talmudic Jewry with minimal bother and without alienating the entire cult.

By that I don't mean we should all exalt some fellow with a turban and scimitar, fast during Ramadan and only speak Arabic. But conduct anti-Talmudic resistance in light of the inspirational manner and incorruptible ideals of our great heroes like The Honourable Caliph Umar, Saladin Ayubi, Abdel Rahman, Khalid bin Walid and so on. For no other person, country or proposed political system aims to pull out of the IMF. The Caliph does. No other person, country or proposed political system aims to end usury as law. The Caliph does.

As long as the Talmudists have their fangs deep into the veins of humanity; even the people's most comprehensive victory on any battlefield you care to mention isn't worth a damn, not until you remove the venom from that snake and keep snakes like it away from people or in captivity.


"...the empire of the Caliphs seems to have been the first state under which the world enjoyed that degree of tranquility which the cultivation of the sciences requires. It was under the protection of those generous and magnificent princes, that the ancient philosophy and astronomy of the Greeks were restored and established in the East; that tranquility, which their mild, just and religious government diffused over their vast empire, revived the curiosity of mankind, to inquire into the connecting principles of nature."
 
Adam Smith, 'The Essays of Adam Smith; (London, 1869), p. 353

It is through the illusion of conflict that these people find a way to implement their goals. The conflict is needed to make the solution provided seem like a natural fix. Remember, in the end the people will be demanding whatever oppression is planned for them, it has to appear as merely a natural consequence of something else.

Lets hope the people aren't as dumb as they look! For if they don't get it now, they never will.

In the end, the people should hope to be accepting Rothschild's unconditional surrender of Palestine, overseeing the systematic dismantlement of every Talmudic enterprise on Earth  and how we aim to demonstrate to the Jew the difference in our spirit: To capitalize upon the gains of victory not by imitating their mad bloodlust or backwards racism, but by working to win the peace; to strengthen and enhance the ember of hope we see in people like Omer Goldman and a handful of others. To someday, perhaps a day many centuries down the line, once again accept them back into society.  

Zionist Jews, Talmudists, Rothschilds and their enablers should now by know, that the world doesn't want them or their systems, that no matter strong the dialectic may be, those days are well and truly over.

[thirdeyewise]

Here is a good article on that hidden hand gesture:

http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=2536

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Here is a good article on that hidden hand gesture:

http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=2536

Freemasonry is silly. It is utter non-sense. While intelligent men chase the illusion of enlightenment, they slip further and further into serfdom. It's pathetic that some thing that Freemasonry is so mysterious and intellectual when it is not. From the silly hand shakes to the stupid initiations and rituals, it is the most perfect goy-trap the Jew even invented.

[saltydawg]

DONT WASTE TIME ,ORGANIZE YOURSELVES AND STRIKE BACK!JOIN OR FORM A GROUP IN YOUR HOME AREA. HERE IS A STEP BY STEP GUIDE TO DO SOMETHING MORE THAN TALK!            http://www.constitution.org/mil/tmp.htm

[ahaze]

From what I could gather with regards to Iran, most of the information and Tweets at the time were trying to create a mood of populist pandemonium against the theocracy. But the spontaneous (no doubt some will call it staged) post election rally; in which about a million Iranians took to the streets in Tehran to support Ahmedinejad and Khameni, served to engulf the meticulously engineered agitation of the day before. And the so-called Green Revolution turned out to be nothing more than a Zionist squeegee, wrung out to the last drop.

I must say I had come to a loose presumption the mass Iranian support of Ahmedinejad and Khameni was staged.  And reexamining things here brought to light that Agha-Soltan's ex-fiance' Caspian Makan - a photojournalist forced to flee Iran - met with Shimon Peres back on March 22 (Jerusalem Post 03/23) in which all sorts of glad-handing and mutual-admiration reportedly took place.  So Israel clearly endorses the protesters rallying against Ahmadinejad and eagerly exploits Agha-Soltan's murder for their cause, but it still leaves in question who or what compelled the trigger-happiness of the militiamen who killed her.  

Whatever motivated the paramilitary member who shot Agha-Soltan, the qui bono of the event runs both ways; Israel gained a poster-child demonstrating Iranian oppression, and Iran's theocracy gained flock endorsement in fear of terrorists.  In that regard I think Agha-Soltan's murder carries all the markings of Israel's expertise at playing both sides against the middle by exploiting societal sentiments with collectively appalling atrocities that elude clear blame and motivate masses to unite under predefined causes however flawed.  The Iranian theocracy hypes a "western conspiracy" to destabilize Iran evidenced in Soltan's murder, and Israel hypes "Iranian oppression" evidenced by Soltan's murder.  But the triggermen are still on the loose with the public none-the-wiser and the two opposing powers fully endorsed to carry out their opposition of one another at whatever expense to their societies.

As quick as Apocalyptic Christians crank up their psychosis I likewise get suspicious, but I also know many who have been obliviously indoctrinated and parrot those concerns without crucial comprehensions.

These people are worse than Zionist Jews, because they lead Gentiles astray and into Talmudic practices presented with a Chrisitan face.

This sounds like blaming the stooge for the con's crime to me, and touches on the critical distinction I've seen drawn elsewhere on TIU emphasizing the need to not conflate Judaism with Zionism.  Vilifying people for their spiritual practices based on guilt-by-association allegations seems dangerous gross over generalization.

So however Elam Ministries may be discredited, the women were held for 250 days, malnourished, solitarily confined, and then waived of the charges provided they left the country so its hard for me to understand how that's 'of their own volition' when the circumstances exhibit all the characteristics of mandatory expulsion.

They copped a plea and the conditions that went with it.

There're no independent sources (at least none that I can find) which verify if mistreatment of the kind alleged took place.

Exactly what makes me suspect Maryam Rostampour and Marzieh Amirizadeh were not Zionist tools.  I find next to nothing mentioned about them in the Zionist controlled media, which I presume would be more than eager to hype an "oppressive Iranian" reaction to a Zionist controlled operation if indeed the Zio-cons were driving it.

So if it was purely a religious issue would Iran risk violating its own constitution (Articles 18 and 23) and why did the intelligence ministry not the ministry for religious affairs question them?

And again, why these two and not any of the "3000 Iranians a month" Elam ministries claim to be converting?

A lot of loose ends in this case, and the deluge of hysterical, anti-Iranian propaganda makes it even harder for any serious or rational examination of the evidence to take place.

There are some curious anomolies to their case but most curiously is the lacking anti-Iranian propaganda we would expect in the lame-stream media.  FoxNews - the bastion of Zio-Christian propaganda and psycho-zio-con Murdoch's mouthpiece - doesn't mention either woman. It appears neither Iran wants to deal with Rostampour and Amarizadeh, nor does Israel want to exploit the anti-Iranian propaganda potential they hold.  Apparently Amirizadeh and Rostampour don't benefit political agendas and as such their circumstances stand more clearly as an indicator Ahmadinejad is not all he would have us believe.

[...] in our time and before, leaders have emerged to stem the tide of Talmudic terror through reason, resolve and armed struggle. There have been successes as well as failures, our lives and the mere existence of liberty; however strained, of decency; however fragile and sovereignty; however threatened, is proof of those victories.

We do run the risk, that having fought an uphill battle for so long, we fail to realize that we've turned a corner and are standing on the apex towards victory. I feel it in my bones, the momentum has swung in our favour and whilst no one in their right mind wants world war III, if or when Zionist Jews start one, I believe we'll win such a war in the end. And win  in so convincing a manner that the Talmudic nation and their enablers will accept terms of exile and temporary detachment from the rest of civilization.

I think these are keen observations and tides may very well be turning.  Even so, given the reach of Zionist brainwashing and how deeply we see it entangled in the circumstances we're trying to make sense of, I think the disentanglement and reversal of fortune sought stands to come with earth shattering consequences its not clear to me how to welcome.

The main point I'm trying to convey here, and I think you'll agree, is that we mustn't be inveigled into accepting the non-existent, but consistently projected, supremacy of the dialectic and resign ourselves to do nothing.

[jai_mann]

Whatever motivated the paramilitary member who shot Agha-Soltan, the qui bono of the event runs both ways; Israel gained a poster-child demonstrating Iranian oppression, and Iran's theocracy gained flock endorsement in fear of terrorists.  In that regard I think Agha-Soltan's murder carries all the markings of Israel's expertise at playing both sides against the middle by exploiting societal sentiments with collectively appalling atrocities that elude clear blame and motivate masses to unite under predefined causes however flawed.  The Iranian theocracy hypes a "western conspiracy" to destabilize Iran evidenced in Soltan's murder, and Israel hypes "Iranian oppression" evidenced by Soltan's murder.  But the triggermen are still on the loose with the public none-the-wiser and the two opposing powers fully endorsed to carry out their opposition of one another at whatever expense to their societies.

How do we know the person who shot the girl wasn't jewish or bribed to shoot protesters to give the jewish propagandists their propaganda center piece?

"Here's the first half of the payment...you'll get the other half after shooting a pretty girl in the crowd...." Seriously. It's the kind of thing these people do.

This sounds like blaming the stooge for the con's crime to me, and touches on the critical distinction I've seen drawn elsewhere on TIU emphasizing the need to not conflate Judaism with Zionism.  Vilifying people for their spiritual practices based on guilt-by-association allegations seems dangerous gross over generalization.

You need to read more. Zionism is a bullshit side show that was used as a tool to set up israel. Jews follow the Talmud and that's the problem. It's why they've been kicked out of countries for thousands of years. There's nothing "spiritual" about the Talmud. I would advise that you learn about it and it's contents before stepping in line with the semi-awake lemmings who follow pipers to the tune of "anti-zionism". Please go read more. You're missing this at the moment.

[ahaze]

jai_mann you mixed up the quotes mon!  Ahmed would never say a thing like that!  Please, let me help correct given my culpability in making such upsetting assertions.  

Whatever motivated the paramilitary member who shot Agha-Soltan, the qui bono of the event runs both ways; Israel gained a poster-child demonstrating Iranian oppression, and Iran's theocracy gained flock endorsement in fear of terrorists.  In that regard I think Agha-Soltan's murder carries all the markings of Israel's expertise at playing both sides against the middle by exploiting societal sentiments with collectively appalling atrocities that elude clear blame and motivate masses to unite under predefined causes however flawed.  The Iranian theocracy hypes a "western conspiracy" to destabilize Iran evidenced in Soltan's murder, and Israel hypes "Iranian oppression" evidenced by Soltan's murder.  But the triggermen are still on the loose with the public none-the-wiser and the two opposing powers fully endorsed to carry out their opposition of one another at whatever expense to their societies.

How do we know the person who shot the girl wasn't jewish or bribed to shoot protesters to give the jewish propagandists their propaganda center piece?

"Here's the first half of the payment...you'll get the other half after shooting a pretty girl in the crowd...." Seriously. It's the kind of thing these people do.

Absolutely plausible and strongly likely according to standard operating procedures  orchestrating the Dubai assassination and Gaza aid flotilla attack.  But in the following section you incorrectly ascribed a quote to Ahmed that I want to save him the bother from having to defend (and herein stands corrected).

This sounds like blaming the stooge for the con's crime to me, and touches on the critical distinction I've seen drawn elsewhere on TIU emphasizing the need to not conflate Judaism with Zionism.  Vilifying people for their spiritual praisctices based on guilt-by-association allegations seems dangerous gross over generalization.

You need to read more. Zionism is a bullshit side show that was used as a tool to set up israel. Jews follow the Talmud and that's the problem. It's why they've been kicked out of countries for thousands of years. There's nothing "spiritual" about the TalmudYou. I would advise that you learn about it and it's contents before stepping in line with the semi-awake lemmings who follow pipers to the tune of "anti-zionism". Please go read more. You're missing this at the moment.

You invalidate any point you might be trying to make by violating all the rules against the lower arguments spelled out by MikeWB's "How to disagree" thread, but I'll take your encouragement to step up the debate over which label represents the most pervasively insidious evil world-influence Zionism vs Judaism in another thread posting Alan Hart's recently released article "Why, really, was the USS Liberty attacked by Israel" in which he spells out,

2. Why it is wrong to blame ALL Jews everywhere for the crimes of the hardest core Zionist few in Palestine that became little Israel, and then Greater Israel.

and makes clear how conflating Judaism with the Zionist problem enables the "anti-semitic" accusation rhetoric.  Losers game gross generalizing culpability to all Judaism.  A sign of Israel right or wrong driving the info.  But I likewise encourage everybody to read more and widen their wisdom.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

"and makes clear how conflating Judaism with the Zionist problem enables the "anti-semitic" accusation"

Because it enables is a problem on the part of society, not on the apologist. The truth is what it is. Zionism is still Judaism.

[thirdeyewise]

The truth is what it is. Zionism is still Judaism.

So true. Jews have been acting the way they have way before the label Zionism was ever invented. Zionism is simply the tool they are using to bring about the promise of the old testament...the enslavement of the Goyim.

 
Isaiah 60:12 For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, [those] nations shall be utterly wasted.


Most Jews know this simply fact: Zionism is Judaism....@1:20 in this video

[youtube:2112js5a]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNsX9oMedB0[/youtube]2112js5a]


Although, I will add that not every Jew is involved or is even aware of the bigger picture.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

The truth is what it is. Zionism is still Judaism.

So true. Jews have been acting the way they have way before the label Zionism was ever invented. Zionism is simply the tool they are using to bring about the promise of the old testament...the enslavement of the Goyim.

Yep, you have to be living under a rock or Biblically illiterate not to see that Zionism is based in the Old Testament, specifically the Pentateuch. Does the Old Testament teach Zionism, no. Jews misinterpret the Abrahamic promise and as a result, have developed Zionism based on this misunderstanding of the land promise given by God. Furthermore, the New Testament goes into greater detail about the land promise given by God. Jesus expounds on it by saying the "meek shall inherit the earth." But that is beside the point. Zionism is firstly a religious dogma, then it is a racial, then it is cultural, then it is political....and on and on.

Ahmed here eerily sounds like a close relative of Henry Makow.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

"Anti-semitism" needs to be redefined by the world before anti-semites need to be reformed.

[thirdeyewise]

Ahmed here eerily sounds like a close relative of Henry Makow.

Actually that was Ahaze saying that

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Damn, getting em mixed up.

[jai_mann]

jai_mann you mixed up the quotes mon!  Ahmed would never say a thing like that!  Please, let me help correct given my culpability in making such upsetting assertions.  

That was an error during the tidying up of the post. I meant to quote what I quoted, but didn't mean to accidentally attribute the quote to the wrong person.

You need to read more. Zionism is a bullshit side show that was used as a tool to set up israel. Jews follow the Talmud and that's the problem. It's why they've been kicked out of countries for thousands of years. There's nothing "spiritual" about the TalmudYou. I would advise that you learn about it and it's contents before stepping in line with the semi-awake lemmings who follow pipers to the tune of "anti-zionism". Please go read more. You're missing this at the moment.

You invalidate any point you might be trying to make by violating all the rules against the lower arguments spelled out by MikeWB's "How to disagree" thread, but I'll take your encouragement to step up the debate over which label represents the most pervasively insidious evil world-influence Zionism vs Judaism in another thread posting Alan Hart's recently released article "Why, really, was the USS Liberty attacked by Israel" in which he spells out,

2. Why it is wrong to blame ALL Jews everywhere for the crimes of the hardest core Zionist few in Palestine that became little Israel, and then Greater Israel.

and makes clear how conflating Judaism with the Zionist problem enables the "anti-semitic" accusation rhetoric.  Losers game gross generalizing culpability to all Judaism.  A sign of Israel right or wrong driving the info.  But I likewise encourage everybody to read more and widen their wisdom.

I fail to see how I invalidate any thing which I said. And as far as guidelines for debate which does not engage in psychological tactics goes; I trust my own education/independent research and rational INTJ personality over a guideline posted by some one who shut down a thread in which I was attempting to spread knowledge of Tesla's work.

Telling some one that they need to read more is not an insult. Describing Zionism as the tool which it clearly is, is not tangential. Stating that Jews follow the Talmud, is a simple fact. They would not call themselves Jews if they did not have an ideological structure to which they adhere. Attributing their behavior to the ideology which has gotten them kicked out of country after country since the time of Christ is a fact. Zionism was not around during those times. The Talmud can be read. The ideas promoted therein are not up for debate. They are in black and white ink. Criminal behavior is permitted and even encouraged against non-jews. It goes from non-criminal (against goy) to criminal, if practiced against a fellow jew. It is a factual statement to describe behavior which lacks forethought as mimicking that of lemmings. Animals in herds do not think, they follow the animals in front of them. Go watch a national geographic video and see how herds, or flocks of birds behave. They cluster and rarely deviate as individuals. Those who fall into this notion of good jews and bad jews are falling for more propaganda which attempts to segregate bad jews (zionists) from other jews (non-zionists). But then there is the question of why jews keep getting kicked out of lands century after century? Why? Why does this happen? Is it the host countries? Or is it the jews? Well, read the Talmud. The answer is in the Talmud. Zionism is a tool and at the same time being used as a ruse. Jews are Jews because of the Talmud and any one who acquaints themselves with it will know better than to artificially segregate jews based on a notion of zionist vs. anti-zionist. It is merely another in a long line of false dichotomies presented to the masses.

I have zero respect for Alan Hart and it would behoove you to study his background. Once you have you will understand why he is promoting the false notion of zionism vs. anti-zionism.

There is no conflation of Judaism with Zionism as the latter stems from the former.

[ahaze]

Telling some one that they need to read more is not an insult. Describing Zionism as the tool which it clearly is, is not tangential. Stating that Jews follow the Talmud, is a simple fact. They would not call themselves Jews if they did not have an ideological structure to which they adhere. Attributing their behavior to the ideology which has gotten them kicked out of country after country since the time of Christ is a fact. Zionism was not around during those times. The Talmud can be read. The ideas promoted therein are not up for debate. They are in black and white ink. Criminal behavior is permitted and even encouraged against non-jews. It goes from non-criminal (against goy) to criminal, if practiced against a fellow jew. It is a factual statement to describe behavior which lacks forethought as mimicking that of lemmings. Animals in herds do not think, they follow the animals in front of them. Go watch a national geographic video and see how herds, or flocks of birds behave. They cluster and rarely deviate as individuals. Those who fall into this notion of good jews and bad jews are falling for more propaganda which attempts to segregate bad jews (zionists) from other jews (non-zionists). But then there is the question of why jews keep getting kicked out of lands century after century? Why? Why does this happen? Is it the host countries? Or is it the jews? Well, read the Talmud. The answer is in the Talmud. Zionism is a tool and at the same time being used as a ruse. Jews are Jews because of the Talmud and any one who acquaints themselves with it will know better than to artificially segregate jews based on a notion of zionist vs. anti-zionist. It is merely another in a long line of false dichotomies presented to the masses.

I have zero respect for Alan Hart and it would behoove you to study his background. Once you have you will understand why he is promoting the false notion of zionism vs. anti-zionism.

There is no conflation of Judaism with Zionism as the latter stems from the former.

Thanks for clarifying your thoughts and filling in blanks.  I appreciate the details you highlight.

What I'm not hearing is the distinction the homeland holds and how that distinguishes Zionists.  Stating "Zionism was not around during those times" neglects the importance Jerusalem has always held.  Though the term "Zionism" may not have been a reference of any pertinence to that day and age, it certainly holds relevance in the context we're confronting now.  The Zionist bent of securing sovereignty over Palestine motivated certain sects of Jews more than others for as long as we're allowed to recall time.  Zionists constantly remind us of how the locales surrounding Jerusalem have always been their true right and title.  But nowhere near all of Judaism believes in adulating Jerusalem to the suspension of human rights of non-Jews occupying the same area for as long if not longer.

Too many examples of practitioners of Jewish spawned belief systems that don't endorse murder as a means of securing a sentimental spot on the globe and do exercise their beliefs to the good of humanity exist to take seriously the one-dimensional assertion the belief system is at fault.  That assertion also carries with it mass delusion and dilution of the core Zionist fixation on Jerusalem.

But honestly with the many sides to any debate always possible, I'm 100% ready for an overhaul of Occidental belief systems so rant on about Judaism all you want, but I still see it as a losers game neglecting key distinctions when it comes to dealing with crucial problems at hand.

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The truth is what it is. Zionism is still Judaism.

So true. Jews have been acting the way they have way before the label Zionism was ever invented. Zionism is simply the tool they are using to bring about the promise of the old testament...the enslavement of the Goyim.

 
Isaiah 60:12 For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, [those] nations shall be utterly wasted.


Most Jews know this simply fact: Zionism is Judaism....@1:20 in this video

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Although, I will add that not every Jew is involved or is even aware of the bigger picture.

Basically that   woman (really wanted to call her a name) is saying Israel can be criticised, but Judaism cannot be questioned, and that not accepting the (delusional, supremacist) tenets of Judaism is atomatically hateful.

This is the kind of trash that occupies key positions in academia, which has long been hopelessly corrupt and controlled.