Dump Israel, Dump the U.S., Dump the Jews

[abduLMaria]

America is a big place, it takes 5 days to drive across the country. There are enormous regional differences. I come from a Catholic area. I am not brainwashed into thinking Israel is the cats ass. The media constantly pushed it on me but I didn't hear it from my family, friends or church. I think you have a false image of America. I have lived in other countries(Canada) and I found that the people hate America because they have a distorted view of what America really is...The negative aspects of American society are pushed and promoted by the Jew media because the Jews want the world to hate America and it's pesky constitution and Christian values(granted, a minority of Americans live this way but  it's still a huge roadblock for the commy Jew's goal of world government) We are being set up to be the next Nazis.

in terms of Killing Civilians, America has killed far more civilians in my lifetime than Nazi Germany did, in the period of time before the world decided to stop Nazi Germany.

Nazi Germany may have been a better neighbor than the United States.  they didn't spread nuclear waste around the countryside, as the US does, en masse, in Iraq & Afghanistan.

[Whaler]

America is a big place, it takes 5 days to drive across the country. There are enormous regional differences. I come from a Catholic area. I am not brainwashed into thinking Israel is the cats ass. The media constantly pushed it on me but I didn't hear it from my family, friends or church. I think you have a false image of America. I have lived in other countries(Canada) and I found that the people hate America because they have a distorted view of what America really is...The negative aspects of American society are pushed and promoted by the Jew media because the Jews want the world to hate America and it's pesky constitution and Christian values(granted, a minority of Americans live this way but  it's still a huge roadblock for the commy Jew's goal of world government) We are being set up to be the next Nazis.

in terms of Killing Civilians, America has killed far more civilians in my lifetime than Nazi Germany did, in the period of time before the world decided to stop Nazi Germany.

Nazi Germany may have been a better neighbor than the United States.  they didn't spread nuclear waste around the countryside, as the US does, en masse, in Iraq & Afghanistan.

OK, Here is the difference between the Nazis and the American public:

Poll: 69% Want War Funding Cut
http://www.newser.com/story/8651/poll-6 ... g-cut.html

These wars are very unpopular with Americans. The ZOG pushed the US into these wars..not the American people...BIG difference.

[jai_mann]

The question is, why do Americans fall for this trick every single time? As soon as a violent act is carried out on American soil, the vast majority of the country is immediately beating the drums of war, looking for blood, begging for someone to be bombed back to the stone age. They don't even care who, "someone has got to pay for this!" For example on the very day of 9/11, Americans were out on the streets with baseball bats looking to "do in" some Arabs. Americans are bloodthirsty, vengeful people who react solely on emotion, who never ever stop to think before they act.

Perhaps it would be more productive to be as accurate as possible when describing things. Not every American falls for the false flag trick every time. Not every common man, around the globe for the same matter. Those who have not learned that they can not trust the media are the most susceptible to falling for the lies, what ever land they may hail from. Most people tend to care "who" has to pay, and when they are spoon fed "who" then the game is on. Those who do not care "who" are sociopaths and they make up a small fraction of society; lashing out at whomever for their problems (look at rapists and serial killers). What evidence do you have to support this claim of baseball bats in the streets looking for arabs? I don't recall ever seeing any thing to support this claim. The average man, any where around the globe, tends to behave based upon emotion. If you lived even a single day in my shoes or the shoes of a fellow INTJ, or INTP (http://www.keirsey.com/handler.aspx?s=k ... c=overview) , you'd know just how irrational the average person is, and you would couch your own comments in other terms and with a different approach.

To get thinkers, we require a different approach to education. Until then, we will have a much larger proportion of limbic system driven personalities, over frontal lobe driven personalities.

They are the most easily led sheeple, the most easily duped and manipulated population on the face of the earth. Take Spain for example, after the 3/11 bombings in Madrid what did they Spanish people do? Did they beg their leaders to go to war with anybody who even resembled the culprits of the crime? No, they elected a new president, and pulled all of their troops out of Iraq. Muslims were blamed for that bombing too, but the Spanish people didn't buy it,  they ousted their Zionist president jose Maria Aznar who tried to use the bombing to get re-elected. And the Spanish people realized that even if Muslims did do the bombing, then it was surely because there were Spanish troops serving in Iraq and that must be the motivation, thus they reasonably said, lets get our troops out. They woudn't ever buy some bullshit like the "freedom hating Muslims" motive that Bush foisted on the American fucktard population who overwhelmingly BOUGHT IT.

The context of the situation will show that other in general, the common man around the globe is just as readily fooled. It's all context dependent. If an area has a history of dealing with such people before, then they will be more likely to call those same people out again. Spain has a history of having booted the Jews out. People there would be more familiar with their own history and relationship with jews who were caught being subversive, over the people in america. In america, they have never booted the jews out. With what's going on there are plenty of those who are awake that want to boot them out, or in the extreme cases execute them (I'm all for the execution of the worst types of criminals. They know what they're doing and how much harm they cause. Off with their heads.). There is a different atmosphere due to history in Europe in general regarding Jews than in America.

How can a country apparently responsible for cutting edge industry, technology, and science actually believe such obvious nonsense and lies? Apparently all it took for Bush to convince Americans to go to war with Iraq was tell them that Sadaam was friends with Osama Bin Laden and had some mustard gas that he can launch from a catapult straight into the heartland of America! "KILL HIM" said the prideful Americans, "Kill those sand niggers now... all of them! ROAR!", chanted the vengeful Americans.
       

It helps if you don't anthropomorphize a legal fiction. As I've put it to others before, there is a bell curve for intelligence and other functions of the brain. Those at the upper fringes are the thinkers and innovators. The rest follow and may, in many cases, only comprehend through rote repetition and not through actual analytical analysis. IT doesn't matter where they hail from. The American population was subjected to a heavy propaganda campaign. Before I even knew the role of the Jews in 9/11 I was against the war as I know what war yields, and I hadn't seen enough evidence, and the icing on the cake: I saw the literal pavlovian attitude conditioning being used by the media to pair neutral stimuli (Iraq) to conditioned aversive stimuli (9/11, bin laden). Just seeing that alone made me realize there was sinister work at hand. But most people don't have the education nor analytical skills to pick up on those things. Why? The education system. They aren't taught about how things may be used in other contexts. They lack a creative analytical mind which would allow them to see certain rules and principles in action outside of the context in which they learned about them.

I can only reiterate, what productive goal of yours is being achieved or worked towards by this wide encompassing rant that essentially lumps the rest of us, who are critical thinkers, in with the herd? It strikes me as a frustration response, and behaviors based upon frustration are exactly what you're railing against to begin with...?

[jai_mann]

"I renounced my U.S. citizenship formally because I do not agree to the terms of citizenship. I refuse to pay into a tax system that's being used to commit mass murder, war crimes, and crimes against humanity." - Kenneth O'Keefe

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Do you know what it means to be a citizen of the "United States"? Do you know what it means to be a citizen of one of the republics of the States united? Do you know what it means to refrain from consenting to either of the above?

[jai_mann]

a majority of Americans are arrogant pin-heads.

 America is a big place, it takes 5 days to drive across the country. There are enormous regional differences. I come from a Catholic area. I am not brainwashed into thinking Israel is the cats ass. The media constantly pushed it on me but I didn't hear it from my family, friends or church. I think you have a false image of America. I have lived in other countries(Canada) and I found that the people hate America because they have a distorted view of what America really is...The negative aspects of American society are pushed and promoted by the Jew media because the Jews want the world to hate America and it's pesky constitution and Christian values(granted, a minority of Americans live this way but  it's still a huge roadblock for the commy Jew's goal of world government) We are being set up to be the next Nazis.

That's exactly what's going on in the jewish run media around the globe. Just look at how the Russia Today news program is thought by some to be some sort of "independent" journalism because it attacks American policies. They are nothing more than the hegelian opposite. It is a perfect example of the general masses, in general, around the globe, buying the bullshit that they are fed by the jewish run networks. This propaganda mechanism is what they are setting up sides with for any future world wars. The sides are already delineated to a degree simply based on observing the stance of the controlled media in different lands.

It's a good indicator of what lands need to have these scum dealt with.

[jai_mann]

America is a big place, it takes 5 days to drive across the country. There are enormous regional differences. I come from a Catholic area. I am not brainwashed into thinking Israel is the cats ass. The media constantly pushed it on me but I didn't hear it from my family, friends or church. I think you have a false image of America. I have lived in other countries(Canada) and I found that the people hate America because they have a distorted view of what America really is...The negative aspects of American society are pushed and promoted by the Jew media because the Jews want the world to hate America and it's pesky constitution and Christian values(granted, a minority of Americans live this way but  it's still a huge roadblock for the commy Jew's goal of world government) We are being set up to be the next Nazis.

in terms of Killing Civilians, America has killed far more civilians in my lifetime than Nazi Germany did, in the period of time before the world decided to stop Nazi Germany.

Nazi Germany may have been a better neighbor than the United States.  they didn't spread nuclear waste around the countryside, as the US does, en masse, in Iraq & Afghanistan.

OK, Here is the difference between the Nazis and the American public:

Poll: 69% Want War Funding Cut
http://www.newser.com/story/8651/poll-6 ... g-cut.html

These wars are very unpopular with Americans. The ZOG pushed the US into these wars..not the American people...BIG difference.

The amusing thing is that the civilians could stop paying all the taxes (they only go to fund the debt any ways) and the jew bankers would continue to print money for their wars. Money which is still universally accepted. When people stop using it around the globe their power will be diminished with that regard; however, they have stolen much material wealth with which to continue their wars.

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

History of U.S. military interventions

http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossma ... tions.html

This guide does not include:

mobilizations of the National Guard
offshore shows of naval strength
reinforcements of embassy personnel
the use of non-Defense Department personnel (such as the Drug Enforcement Administration)
military exercises
non-combat mobilizations (such as replacing postal strikers)
the permanent stationing of armed forces
covert actions where the U.S. did not play a command and control role
the use of small hostage rescue units
most uses of proxy troops
U.S. piloting of foreign warplanes
foreign or domestic disaster assistance
military training and advisory programs not involving direct combat
civic action programs
and many other military activities.

Turkish newspaper urges that the United States be listed in Guinness Book of World Records as the Country with the Most Foreign Interventions.

COUNTRY OR STATE   Dates of intervention   Forces   Comments
SOUTH DAKOTA    1890 (-?)    Troops   300 Lakota Indians massacred at Wounded Knee.
ARGENTINA   1890   Troops   Buenos Aires interests protected.
CHILE   1891   Troops   Marines clash with nationalist rebels.
HAITI   1891   Troops   Black revolt on Navassa defeated.
IDAHO   1892   Troops   Army suppresses silver miners' strike.
HAWAII   1893 (-?)   Naval, troops   Independent kingdom overthrown, annexed.
CHICAGO   1894   Troops   Breaking of rail strike, 34 killed.
NICARAGUA   1894   Troops   Month-long occupation of Bluefields.
CHINA   1894-95   Naval, troops   Marines land in Sino-Japanese War
KOREA   1894-96   Troops   Marines kept in Seoul during war.
PANAMA   1895   Troops, naval   Marines land in Colombian province.
NICARAGUA   1896   Troops   Marines land in port of Corinto.
CHINA   1898-1900   Troops   Boxer Rebellion fought by foreign armies.
PHILIPPINES   1898-1910 (-?)   Naval, troops   Seized from Spain, killed 600,000 Filipinos
CUBA   1898-1902 (-?)   Naval, troops   Seized from Spain, still hold Navy base.
PUERTO RICO   1898 (-?)   Naval, troops   Seized from Spain, occupation continues.
GUAM   1898 (-?)   Naval, troops   Seized from Spain, still use as base.
MINNESOTA   1898 (-?)   Troops   Army battles Chippewa at Leech Lake.
NICARAGUA   1898   Troops   Marines land at port of San Juan del Sur.
SAMOA   1899 (-?)   Troops   Battle over succession to throne.
NICARAGUA   1899   Troops   Marines land at port of Bluefields.
IDAHO   1899-1901   Troops   Army occupies Coeur d'Alene mining region.
OKLAHOMA   1901   Troops   Army battles Creek Indian revolt.
PANAMA   1901-14   Naval, troops   Broke off from Colombia 1903, annexed Canal Zone 1914.
HONDURAS   1903   Troops   Marines intervene in revolution.
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC   1903-04   Troops   U.S. interests protected in Revolution.
KOREA   1904-05   Troops   Marines land in Russo-Japanese War.
CUBA   1906-09   Troops   Marines land in democratic election.
NICARAGUA   1907   Troops   "Dollar Diplomacy" protectorate set up.
HONDURAS   1907   Troops   Marines land during war with Nicaragua
PANAMA   1908   Troops   Marines intervene in election contest.
NICARAGUA   1910   Troops   Marines land in Bluefields and Corinto.
HONDURAS   1911   Troops   U.S. interests protected in civil war.
CHINA   1911-41   Naval, troops   Continuous occupation with flare-ups.
CUBA   1912   Troops   U.S. interests protected in civil war.
PANAMA   1912   Troops   Marines land during heated election.
HONDURAS   1912   Troops   Marines protect U.S. economic interests.
NICARAGUA   1912-33   Troops, bombing   10-year occupation, fought guerillas
MEXICO   1913   Naval   Americans evacuated during revolution.
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC   1914   Naval   Fight with rebels over Santo Domingo.
COLORADO   1914   Troops   Breaking of miners' strike by Army.
MEXICO   1914-18   Naval, troops   Series of interventions against nationalists.
HAITI   1914-34   Troops, bombing   19-year occupation after revolts.
TEXAS   1915   Troops   Federal soldiers crush "Plan of San Diego" Mexican-American rebellion
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC   1916-24   Troops   8-year Marine occupation.
CUBA   1917-33   Troops   Military occupation, economic protectorate.
WORLD WAR I   1917-18   Naval, troops   Ships sunk, fought Germany for 1 1/2 years.
RUSSIA   1918-22   Naval, troops   Five landings to fight Bolsheviks
PANAMA   1918-20   Troops   "Police duty" during unrest after elections.
HONDURAS   1919   Troops   Marines land during election campaign.
YUGOSLAVIA   1919   Troops/Marines   intervene for Italy against Serbs in Dalmatia.
GUATEMALA   1920   Troops   2-week intervention against unionists.
WEST VIRGINIA   1920-21   Troops, bombing   Army intervenes against mineworkers.
TURKEY   1922   Troops   Fought nationalists in Smyrna.
CHINA   1922-27   Naval, troops   Deployment during nationalist revolt.
HONDURAS   1924-25   Troops   Landed twice during election strife.
PANAMA   1925   Troops   Marines suppress general strike.
CHINA   1927-34   Troops   Marines stationed throughout the country.
EL SALVADOR   1932   Naval   Warships send during Marti revolt.
WASHINGTON DC   1932   Troops   Army stops WWI vet bonus protest.
WORLD WAR II   1941-45   Naval, troops, bombing, nuclear   Hawaii bombed, fought Japan, Italy and Germay for 3 years; first nuclear war.
DETROIT   1943   Troops   Army put down Black rebellion.
IRAN   1946   Nuclear threat   Soviet troops told to leave north.
YUGOSLAVIA   1946   Nuclear threat, naval   Response to shoot-down of US plane.
URUGUAY   1947   Nuclear threat   Bombers deployed as show of strength.
GREECE   1947-49   Command operation   U.S. directs extreme-right in civil war.
GERMANY   1948   Nuclear Threat   Atomic-capable bombers guard Berlin Airlift.
CHINA   1948-49   Troops/Marines   evacuate Americans before Communist victory.
PHILIPPINES   1948-54   Command operation   CIA directs war against Huk Rebellion.
PUERTO RICO   1950   Command operation   Independence rebellion crushed in Ponce.
KOREA   1951-53 (-?)   Troops, naval, bombing , nuclear threats   U.S./So. Korea fights China/No. Korea to stalemate; A-bomb threat in 1950, and against China in 1953. Still have bases.
IRAN   1953   Command Operation   CIA overthrows democracy, installs Shah.
VIETNAM   1954   Nuclear threat   French offered bombs to use against seige.
GUATEMALA   1954   Command operation, bombing, nuclear threat   CIA directs exile invasion after new gov't nationalized U.S. company lands; bombers based in Nicaragua.
EGYPT   1956   Nuclear threat, troops   Soviets told to keep out of Suez crisis; Marines evacuate foreigners.
LEBANON   l958   Troops, naval   Marine occupation against rebels.
IRAQ   1958   Nuclear threat   Iraq warned against invading Kuwait.
CHINA   l958   Nuclear threat   China told not to move on Taiwan isles.
PANAMA   1958   Troops   Flag protests erupt into confrontation.
VIETNAM   l960-75   Troops, naval, bombing, nuclear threats   Fought South Vietnam revolt & North Vietnam; one million killed in longest U.S. war; atomic bomb threats in l968 and l969.
CUBA   l961   Command operation   CIA-directed exile invasion fails.
GERMANY   l961   Nuclear threat   Alert during Berlin Wall crisis.
LAOS   1962   Command operation   Military buildup during guerrilla war.
 CUBA    l962    Nuclear threat, naval   Blockade during missile crisis; near-war with Soviet Union.
 IRAQ   1963   Command operation   CIA organizes coup that killed president, brings Ba'ath Party to power, and Saddam Hussein back from exile to be head of the secret service.
PANAMA   l964   Troops   Panamanians shot for urging canal's return.
INDONESIA   l965   Command operation   Million killed in CIA-assisted army coup.
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC   1965-66   Troops, bombing   Marines land during election campaign.
GUATEMALA   l966-67   Command operation   Green Berets intervene against rebels.
DETROIT   l967   Troops   Army battles African Americans, 43 killed.
UNITED STATES   l968   Troops   After King is shot; over 21,000 soldiers in cities.
CAMBODIA   l969-75   Bombing, troops, naval   Up to 2 million killed in decade of bombing, starvation, and political chaos.
OMAN   l970   Command operation   U.S. directs Iranian marine invasion.
LAOS   l971-73   Command operation, bombing   U.S. directs South Vietnamese invasion; "carpet-bombs" countryside.
SOUTH DAKOTA   l973   Command operation   Army directs Wounded Knee siege of Lakotas.
MIDEAST   1973   Nuclear threat   World-wide alert during Mideast War.
CHILE   1973   Command operation   CIA-backed coup ousts elected marxist president.
CAMBODIA   l975   Troops, bombing   Gas captured ship, 28 die in copter crash.
ANGOLA   l976-92   Command operation   CIA assists South African-backed rebels.
IRAN   l980   Troops, nuclear threat, aborted bombing   Raid to rescue Embassy hostages; 8 troops die in copter-plane crash. Soviets warned not to get involved in revolution.
LIBYA   l981   Naval jets   Two Libyan jets shot down in maneuvers.
EL SALVADOR   l981-92   Command operation, troops   Advisors, overflights aid anti-rebel war, soldiers briefly involved in hostage clash.
NICARAGUA   l981-90   Command operation, naval   CIA directs exile (Contra) invasions, plants harbor mines against revolution.
LEBANON   l982-84   Naval, bombing, troops   Marines expel PLO and back Phalangists, Navy bombs and shells Muslim positions.
GRENADA   l983-84   Troops, bombing   Invasion four years after revolution.
HONDURAS   l983-89   Troops   Maneuvers help build bases near borders.
IRAN   l984   Jets   Two Iranian jets shot down over Persian Gulf.
LIBYA   l986   Bombing, naval   Air strikes to topple nationalist gov't.
BOLIVIA   1986   Troops   Army assists raids on cocaine region.
IRAN   l987-88   Naval, bombing   US intervenes on side of Iraq in war.
LIBYA   1989   Naval jets   Two Libyan jets shot down.
VIRGIN ISLANDS   1989   Troops   St. Croix Black unrest after storm.
PHILIPPINES   1989   Jets   Air cover provided for government against coup.
PANAMA   1989 (-?)   Troops, bombing   Nationalist government ousted by 27,000 soldiers, leaders arrested, 2000+ killed.
LIBERIA   1990   Troops   Foreigners evacuated during civil war.
SAUDI ARABIA   1990-91   Troops, jets   Iraq countered after invading Kuwait. 540,000 troops also stationed in Oman, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, Israel.
IRAQ   1990-91   Bombing, troops, naval   Blockade of Iraqi and Jordanian ports, air strikes; 200,000+ killed in invasion of Iraq and Kuwait; large-scale destruction of Iraqi military.
KUWAIT   1991   Naval, bombing, troops   Kuwait royal family returned to throne.
 IRAQ   1991-2003   Bombing, naval   No-fly zone over Kurdish north, Shiite south; constant air strikes and naval-enforced economic sanctions
LOS ANGELES   1992   Troops   Army, Marines deployed against anti-police uprising.
SOMALIA   1992-94   Troops, naval, bombing   U.S.-led United Nations occupation during civil war; raids against one Mogadishu faction.
YUGOSLAVIA   1992-94   Naval   NATO blockade of Serbia and Montenegro.
BOSNIA   1993-?   Jets, bombing   No-fly zone patrolled in civil war; downed jets, bombed Serbs.
HAITI   1994   Troops, naval   Blockade against military government; troops restore President Aristide to office three years after coup.
ZAIRE (CONGO)   1996-97   Troops   Marines at Rwandan Hutu refugee camps, in area where Congo revolution begins.
LIBERIA   1997   Troops   Soldiers under fire during evacuation of foreigners.
ALBANIA   1997   Troops   Soldiers under fire during evacuation of foreigners.
SUDAN   1998   Missiles   Attack on pharmaceutical plant alleged to be "terrorist" nerve gas plant.
AFGHANISTAN   1998   Missiles   Attack on former CIA training camps used by Islamic fundamentalist groups alleged to have attacked embassies.
IRAQ   1998   Bombing, Missiles   Four days of intensive air strikes after weapons inspectors allege Iraqi obstructions.
YUGOSLAVIA   1999   Bombing, Missiles   Heavy NATO air strikes after Serbia declines to withdraw from Kosovo. NATO occupation of Kosovo.
YEMEN   2000   Naval   USS Cole, docked in Aden, bombed.
MACEDONIA   2001   Troops   NATO forces deployed to move and disarm Albanian rebels.
UNITED STATES   2001   Jets, naval   Reaction to hijacker attacks on New York, DC
AFGHANISTAN   2001-?   Troops, bombing, missiles   Massive U.S. mobilization to overthrow Taliban, hunt Al Qaeda fighters, install Karzai regime, and battle Taliban insurgency. More than 30,000 U.S. troops and numerous private security contractors carry our occupation.
YEMEN   2002   Missiles   Predator drone missile attack on Al Qaeda, including a US citizen.
PHILIPPINES   2002-?   Troops, naval   Training mission for Philippine military fighting Abu Sayyaf rebels evolves into combat missions in Sulu Archipelago, west of Mindanao.
COLOMBIA   2003-?   Troops   US special forces sent to rebel zone to back up Colombian military protecting oil pipeline.
IRAQ   2003-?   Troops, naval, bombing, missiles   Saddam regime toppled in Baghdad. More than 250,000 U.S. personnel participate in invasion. US and UK forces occupy country and battle Sunni and Shi'ite insurgencies. More than 160,000 troops and numerous private contractors carry out occupation and build large permanent bases.
LIBERIA   2003   Troops   Brief involvement in peacekeeping force as rebels drove out leader.
HAITI   2004-05   Troops, naval     Marines land after right-wing rebels oust elected President Aristide, who was advised to leave by Washington.
PAKISTAN   2005-?   Missiles, bombing, covert operation   CIA missile and air strikes and Special Forces raids on alleged Al Qaeda and Taliban refuge villages kill multiple civilians. Drone attacks also on Pakistani Mehsud network.
SOMALIA   2006-?   Missiles, naval, covert operation   Special Forces advise Ethiopian invasion that topples Islamist government; AC-130 strikes and Cruise missile attacks against Islamist rebels; naval blockade against "pirates" and insurgents.
SYRIA   2008   Troops   Special Forces in helicopter raid 5 miles from Iraq kill 8 Syrian civilians
YEMEN   2009   Missiles   Cruise missile attack on Al Qaeda kills 49 civilians.

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[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

America is a big place, it takes 5 days to drive across the country. There are enormous regional differences. I come from a Catholic area. I am not brainwashed into thinking Israel is the cats ass. The media constantly pushed it on me but I didn't hear it from my family, friends or church. I think you have a false image of America. I have lived in other countries(Canada) and I found that the people hate America because they have a distorted view of what America really is...The negative aspects of American society are pushed and promoted by the Jew media because the Jews want the world to hate America and it's pesky constitution and Christian values(granted, a minority of Americans live this way but  it's still a huge roadblock for the commy Jew's goal of world government) We are being set up to be the next Nazis.

in terms of Killing Civilians, America has killed far more civilians in my lifetime than Nazi Germany did, in the period of time before the world decided to stop Nazi Germany.

Nazi Germany may have been a better neighbor than the United States.  they didn't spread nuclear waste around the countryside, as the US does, en masse, in Iraq & Afghanistan.

OK, Here is the difference between the Nazis and the American public:

Poll: 69% Want War Funding Cut
http://www.newser.com/story/8651/poll-6 ... g-cut.html

These wars are very unpopular with Americans. The ZOG pushed the US into these wars..not the American people...BIG difference.

lol, wow this is four years after the invasion and all they are asking for is a "cut" in funds, not a complete withdrawal? Americans are only now starting to come out against the wars because the American economy is in the shitter, mainly because of these expensive wars. Only when Americans are hit in the pocket book, and affected PERSONALLY, do they ever decide to oppose the killing of other people. kike-like Americans have earned their hatred, and very well deserve to be despised.

[Whaler]

lol, wow this is four years after the invasion and all they are asking for is a "cut" in funds, not a complete withdrawal? Americans are only now starting to come out against the wars because the American economy is in the shitter, mainly because of these expensive wars. Only when Americans are hit in the pocket book, and affected PERSONALLY, do they ever decide to oppose the killing of other people.

Wrong.

2005
Poll Finds Dimmer View of Iraq War
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00296.html

Bush approval rating at 40 percent
Majority disapprove of the handling of Katrina, Iraq
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/19/bush.poll/

2006
Iraq drives Bush's rating to new low
Americans pessimistic on war as president launches new push
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/03/13/bush.poll/


The United States public's opinion of the invasion of Iraq has changed significantly since the years preceding the incursion. For various reasons, mostly related to the unexpected consequences of the invasion, the US public's perspective on its government's choice to initiate an offensive is increasingly negative. Before the invasion in March 2003 polls showed 47-60% of the US public supported an invasion, dependent on UNESCO approval. [1] According to the same poll retaken in April 2007, 58% of the participants stated that the initial attack was a mistake.[2] In May, 2007, the New York Times and CBS News released similar results of a poll in which 61% of participants believed the U.S. "should have stayed out" of Iraq.[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_op ... on_of_Iraq

[ahaze]

The U.S. is a worthless pile of corrupt filth and the majority of people living in it are typical, arrogant and "proud" jackasses who don't deserve to be woken from their idiotic and pathetic slumber. Many of them love the brainwashing and would die defending the lies they hear on tv and get physically upset when they hear things to the contrary of what they've been force-fed via Sumner Redstone's MTV or Rupert Murdoch's FOX, or Leslie Moonves' CBS fuckwork. Americans complain all day about how bad they have it meanwhile they are willingly paying into a tax system that give hundreds of billions of dollars to Israel so Israel can violently murder Palestinians and steal their land, and funds a military that attacks & carpet bombs entire cities of any country deemed "anti-semitic" by the Jews that rule over your worse-than-Africa cesspool of a country. But Americans have it bad? Americans still don't really give a damn about anyone but themselves because they have been thoroughly Jewified, and are thus no better than the Jews now. In fact they are Jews now and have been living as Jews for quite some time.

I've actually had the privilege of facing down a number of such tirades in person while travelling abroad, and I must say yours sounds like the discharged IDF soldiers me and my friends have come across who ranted at us because the U.S. funded their country forcing their conscription ruining their lives (though they did appear to be enjoying themselves while away from Israel).  

I've faced down anti-Americanism in Turkish bars, anti-Americans throughout Europe, anti-Americans in the streets of Central and South America, and anti-Americans in Asia and with all the facts those folks were able to humble me with all of this ad hominem Jew-bash name calling sounds like a child throwing a tantrum because they can't go to Disneyland  :yawn: .  I feel your pain, and can only say that for my track record facing anti-Americans in person that could actually compose themselves to express their outrage while remaining open to take whatever response, every one of those confrontations evolved into illuminating discussions for both parties that concluded with a hand-shake and smile of goodwill.  The ones that weren't open, and/or used the verbal attack as a ruse for more insidious exploitation didn't wind up so well.  All I can say in response to all of the ignorant conjecture is thankfully greater thinking capacities exist and I'm just out here trying to make good on those previous conversations and maybe we'll all discover something new if we stick with it.  

I think you have a false image of America. I have lived in other countries(Canada) and I found that the people hate America because they have a distorted view of what America really is...

The United States public's opinion of the invasion of Iraq has changed significantly since the years preceding the incursion. For various reasons, mostly related to the unexpected consequences of the invasion, the US public's perspective on its government's choice to initiate an offensive is increasingly negative.

I don't know one person in the masses I'm surrounded by and interconnect with that endorse either war.

[Negentropic]

lol, wow this is four years after the invasion and all they are asking for is a "cut" in funds, not a complete withdrawal? Americans are only now starting to come out against the wars because the American economy is in the shitter, mainly because of these expensive wars. Only when Americans are hit in the pocket book, and affected PERSONALLY, do they ever decide to oppose the killing of other people. kike-like Americans have earned their hatred, and very well deserve to be despised.

True and Utter Bullshit at the same time.   Millions of Americans marched against the Iraq war and it did no good, the fuckwads went ahead with it anyway. Go look in Rivero's archives for all the photos of the 2003 anti-Iraq-war marches.  And what is it with all these blanket statements?  All Americans this, All Jews that, blah blah blah.  Where have I heard all this crap before?  You're starting to sound like Bjerknes. Not trusting Jews does not equate to demonizing all of them.  I thought that was anti-zio 101?  Benjamin Freedman, Myron Fagan, Jack Bernstein, David Cole, Michael Rivero, Arthur Koestler, Israel Shamir, Israel Shahak, Von Mises, Rothbard, John Sack, Mordechai Vanunu etc. Most of the anti-Zionist anti-Talmudist anti-whatever-the-fuck-you-want-to-call-it sites on the net wouldn't even exist and this whole think-tank wouldn't have half its arguments if not for those Jews. You are either for individual rights or you're for nobody's rights, plain and simple. Democracy or any kind of group rule is just the dictatorship of the majority and the majority are bound to be brainwashed, stupid and arrogant  What you need is a nationalist fascist regime to circumvent all that.  Are you for a fascist regime then MSMD?  A Hitler or Mussolini or better yet a theocratic Ahmedinejad type could take you far in a short time you know.  And as soon as you get that nationalistic fascist regime, don't be surprised when war is declared to replace you with the Ayatollah Khomeini's twin.

Second, since you won't come clean about what country you're from, let me ask you a few questions.?   Do you have a Libertarian party in your neck of the woods?  I'm willing to bet you have a Marxist party. Who owns the central bank of your country?  

Americans are an absurd, grotesque paradox, yes. But they are also your savior,  :up: that's why you're so pissed off at Americans in the same way as everyone else here is, myself included.  :evil:  Sort of like a rebellious friend you idolized as a youth who let you down and joined the establishment. When Americans are finished, that means the world is finished, plain and simple, unless they take up constitutional American ideals again.  No matter how much Americans are hated, they will forever be looked up to simultaneously for having carried the becaon of freedom and individual rights  at one time.  Americans are looked up to not because of Jews owning their country, since they own every other goddamn central banked country in the world,  but because of the remnants of the U.S. constitution still alive in it. Even if the U.S. constitution is buried once and for all,  remnants of its spirit will still be alive in its people, arrogant bastards or humble down-to-earth people alike.  Surely you're not looking for tired-ass stodgy old European countries like Sweden, Norway, Germany, Spain, Iceland and France or South American countries or occupied Japan or Lubavitch Bitch Russia or fucking Islamic fundamentalist Iran (where a woman needs 2 male witnesses to bring a rape charge against a man and is stoned to death for adultery) to advance the cause of freedom?  Which one of the world's fucked-up countries are we going to get together and attack America and Israel to make MSMD in his never-to-be-named-country happy?  With whose money and whose army and whose weapons?  Maybe Turkey will come to your rescue after 100 years of whoring for Zionists?  

The seeds of what you looked up to America for are still there and if nurtured will bear fruit again, not just in America but every other place in the world that needs a new immproved bankster-free parasite-free usury-free noble experiment. As of right now, theoretically at least, the 'free' world is still 300 million private American firearms away from utter despair.


Remember the straw that broke the camel's back, the tipping point, the critical mass, the 100th monkey. That's what we're all striving for.















Pilot who dropped atomic bomb on Hiroshima dies with no regrets

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z0sIvr1Mh0


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-491170/pilot-dropped-atomic-bomb-hiroshima-dies-regrets.html

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

lol, wow this is four years after the invasion and all they are asking for is a "cut" in funds, not a complete withdrawal? Americans are only now starting to come out against the wars because the American economy is in the shitter, mainly because of these expensive wars. Only when Americans are hit in the pocket book, and affected PERSONALLY, do they ever decide to oppose the killing of other people. kike-like Americans have earned their hatred, and very well deserve to be despised.

And what is it with all these blanket statements?  All Americans this, All Jews that, blah blah blah.  Where have I heard all this crap before?

I know, you don't like it, it's not fun to hear, is it? If Americans don't like it, than maybe they should do something about their insane government.

Not trusting Jews does not equate to demonizing all of them. I thought that was anti-zio 101?  Benjamin Freedman, Myron Fagan, Jack Bernstein, David Cole, Michael Rivero, Arthur Koestler, Israel Shamir, Israel Shahak, Von Mises, Rothbard, John Sack, Mordechai Vanunu etc. Most of the anti-Zionist anti-Talmudist anti-whatever-the-fuck-you-want-to-call-it sites on the net wouldn't even exist and this whole think-tank wouldn't have half its arguments if not for those Jews.

Those aren't Jews. I guess you could say Bobby Fischer and Bro. Nathaniel Kapner are Jewish too, but they aren't in my book.

Americans are an absurd, grotesque paradox, yes. But they are also your savior,  :up: that's why you're so pissed off at Americans in the same way as everyone else here is, myself included.  :evil:  Sort of like a rebellious friend you idolized as a youth who let you down and joined the establishment. When Americans are finished, that means the world is finished, plain and simple, unless they take up constitutional American ideals again.  No matter how much Americans are hated, they will forever be looked up to simultaneously for having carried the becaon of freedom and individual rights at one time.  Americans are looked up to not because of Jews owning their country, since they own every other goddamn central banked country in the world,  but because of the remnants of the U.S. constitution still alive in it. Even if the U.S. constitution is buried once and for all,  remnants of its spirit will still be alive in its people, arrogant bastards or humble down-to-earth people alike.  Surely you're not looking for tired-ass stodgy old European countries like Sweden, Norway, Germany, Spain, Iceland and France or South American countries or occupied Japan or Lubavitch Bitch Russia or fucking Islamic fundamentalist Iran (where a woman needs 2 male witnesses to bring a rape charge against a man and is stoned to death for adultery) to advance the cause of freedom?  Which one of the world's fucked-up countries are we going to get together and attack America and Israel to make MSMD in his never-to-be-named-country happy?  With whose money and whose army and whose weapons?  Maybe Turkey will come to your rescue after 100 years of whoring for Zionists?

This is typical american arrogance at its best. You think you're better than everyone else, which is very Jew. Since you live in a Jew country I can't expect any better I guess. Americans don't have anything to be proud of, not at all. America is simply a vessel for Jewish enslavement of the free world. And all you can say is that these countries, that America is raping, robbing, looting, bombing and systematically destroying as we speak didn't have as many "individual rights" as in America? Ha! the nerve. Their lives prior to when the mentally ill "Americans" came in to "save the day" was heaven compared to the hellish nightmare they're living in now, thanks to -- America "the great". Thanks to "America the great" Iraqi & Afghani kids will be living with cancers, deformities, and other horrors for the next 100 years via American deployment of Depleted Uranium and other hellish weapons of death -- besides the fact that millions of them don't exist anymore, thus millions of future babies didn't even have the chance to be born. Thanks America! Thanks Americans! :up: You've really done a number on the world, yet have the audacity to criticize Ahmadinejad's country? That's pretty sick. Iran is not hurting and killing millions of people, Iran hasn't invaded another country in hundreds of years. You cite a primitive law about rape as if this is the equivalent to all of America's horror's thus we should forget about them? :lol:  :lol:  :lol: Jesus man don't try too hard to fulfill the "stupid American" stereotype. You have no right to say a word against a single other country in the world, when you're living in the biggest terror state in the world at this very moment. And what does it matter what country I'm from? I could be from Jamaica, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Canada, Mexico, Argentina, Chile, Spain, Portugal, Poland, Czech, Denmark, Norway, etc. What difference does it make? None can compare to "America" so you have nothing to say about my country. Europeans have just as many rights as Americans. So do Australians, most South Americans, Canadians, New Zea-landers, British, Russians, etc. You're not special in this regard. And even if you did, so? That would never compensate for what America has done in the world. Oh look you have a lot of freedoms, so who cares if America destroys Iraq, they didn't have as many freedoms as you do. :lol: Oh look, now they're allowed to talk shit about their leaders openly -- yeah totally worth those 1.5 million Iraqi lives, totally.  :up: That's classic stuff, bro. Only in America could this logic sound sane  

Tell me, friend, what does 'America' stand for? Besides death dealing & freedom destroying, that is.
When has "America" ever not been evil and destructive?
You've been a Jew country from the beginning and you will be a Jew country when you inevitably fall.
Thus your citizenship to this Jew country is accurately described as a message of support for this Jew country.
What say you, citizen of the Jewish nation?

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

America has been in a state of perpetual war from its very inception, whether it be civil war or foreign invasions, you people have been either killing each other or others NON-STOP for 200 years. The Americans are the greatest pawns of the Jew; naturally violent, exceedingly ignorant, the perfect Jewish pawns that will be used to fight the enemies of Jewry until the day they die. I can't believe the U.S. donk robot army are still in Iraq fighting & dying for the Jew.

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

Just take the American CIA as an example. This Jew-puppet organization's only purpose is to incite war, and undermine foreign governments that are not sympathetic to Jew-corporate interests. All the CIA does is manipulate foreign governments into giving up all of its resources and selling them to the Jew.S.A. for cheap. The CIA makes SURE that the resources of other countries are not used for the benefit of its people, but for the benefit of Jew corporate/banking interests. That's all it does. If a nation's leader will not play ball with the CIA they are simply killed, and a new puppet takes his stead. The CIA are simply Jew henchmen (Judeo-Christian parasite protectors). Ghey Americans are fully enlisted in the complete and utter service of the international Jew. Fully and completely no ifs, ands or buts. The Jew would not nearly be as powerful as he is today if it weren't for IDIOT Shabez Goi YANKS who do everything in their power to see to it that the Jew gets whatever he wants whenever he wants. Non-Jewish AMERICANS have made the Jew into the monster he is today.

[ahaze]

Americans are an absurd, grotesque paradox, yes. But they are also your savior,  that's why you're so pissed off at Americans in the same way as everyone else here is, myself included.  Sort of like a rebellious friend you idolized as a youth who let you down and joined the establishment. When Americans are finished, that means the world is finished, plain and simple, unless they take up constitutional American ideals again. No matter how much Americans are hated, they will forever be looked up to simultaneously for having carried the becaon of freedom and individual rights at one time. Americans are looked up to not because of Jews owning their country, since they own every other goddamn central banked country in the world, but because of the remnants of the U.S. constitution still alive in it. Even if the U.S. constitution is buried once and for all, remnants of its spirit will still be alive in its people, arrogant bastards or humble down-to-earth people alike.

Just take the American CIA as an example. This Jew-puppet organization's only purpose is to incite war, and undermine foreign governments that are not sympathetic to Jew-corporate interests. All the CIA does is manipulate foreign governments into giving up all of its resources and selling them to the Jew.S.A. for cheap. The CIA makes SURE that the resources of other countries are not used for the benefit of its people, but for the benefit of Jew corporate/banking interests. That's all it does. If a nation's leader will not play ball with the CIA they are simply killed, and a new puppet takes his stead. The CIA are simply Jew henchmen (Judeo-Christian parasite protectors). Ghey Americans are fully enlisted in the complete and utter service of the international Jew. Fully and completely no ifs, ands or buts. The Jew would not nearly be as powerful as he is today if it weren't for IDIOT Shabez Goi YANKS who do everything in their power to see to it that the Jew gets whatever he wants whenever he wants. Non-Jewish AMERICANS have made the Jew into the monster he is today.

I'm reading a huge leap in logic portraying the American public as fully aware of what their secret police are all about.  A lot of research supports what you say about the Jewish puppet masters pulling CIA strings.  But presuming premeditated endorsement by American people pretends like all the office workers walked into the WTC the morning of 9/11 knowing what was about to happen.

As one of a 2nd generation of immigrants who literally had to flee their home countries and make their way to an unknown land without any guarantee of security and then work their asses off for eight decades amidst a brand new society mandated with inventing and forging the industrial/technological accomplishments we wouldn't be here talking without now, the oversimplified foreign world-view that all Americans are privy to the covert workings of their government makes no sense.  With the blood, sweat, and tears I've watched pour into engineering, aerospace, and computing industries to realize the true achievements that make possible all of the dizzy Disney fantasy triggering all the foreign anti-American aptitudes, the exploitation on both sides wreaks of ignorance.  For all of the foreigners throwing stones, few are qualified to even begin to think they know the first thing about American ingenuity and intractability, and then to blame those innovators for actions of duplicitous power-mongers demonstrates complete negligence.  

The masses of Americans I know, knew something wasn't right about 9/11 days after it happened but naturally succumbed to the PTSD of the shock and awe it was designed to deliver.  If the powers that be know human psychology that well and have the resources to play mind-games on that scale, getting at the problems at hand is going to take a lot bigger thinking than this tantrum thread promises.

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

I'm reading a huge leap in logic portraying the American public as fully aware of what their secret police are all about.  A lot of research supports what you say about the Jewish puppet masters pulling CIA strings.  But presuming premeditated endorsement by American people pretends like all the office workers walked into the WTC the morning of 9/11 knowing what was about to happen.

So what, the Shabez Goi, Judeo-Christian, parasite protecting CIA are still "Americans" who willingly aided the Jew by carrying out his international wet-work for the past 60 years, solidifying his place as ruler of this planet. Maybe you Americans should do something about your secret police agencies, huh? Instead you create another one every year and boost their funding to astronomical levels.

[ahaze]

Maybe you Americans should do something about your secret police agencies, huh?

Riiight, because we see how well that approach worked for JFK and all.  

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

Wonder where Negentropic is, i was awaiting one of his rambling novel-length responses followed by his posting of several giant off-topic pictures. :up:

[scorpio]

Hey listen, punk, don't go talkin' any shit about Amerika, you liberal pinko commie!
You'd better not go to Texas and talk that way!  If you do, me and AJ will kick your ass!! Do you hear me?! Grrrr....growl....grunt.
(For maximum effect read this while screaming at the top of your lungs in an Alex Jones voice.)


But seriously, you are just jealous because we have better weather than you do in Canada.  :lol:

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

This does raise a question:  Can Americans remove the Jewish Power Acronym List infecting the country using "Democracy" or a "Democratic System"?   Is "Democracy" and Jew Media ultimately the  "power" over their "Golem" America?  Will it wake up?

In America's fall and financial denouement... some Jews will eventually get the boot as I see it...   it is already baked in the cake and they are erecting "systems" and "surveillance" in junction with police "training systems" to prevent the removal of the old parasite known as the Jew.  People (Goyim) are receptive when it all goes bust but it hasn't just yet. Remember, some of the most able forces against them in most European countries were killed in WWI and WWII. Do you fight for the country or aim at the Scheming Jews? Most people can't even phrase the question since they can't conceive of it (Golem), so they follow commands and go with the "Country".  Basically the "World" collectively is going to have to tell Israel and its Jew Stooges to "Settledown, Behave, and Shut the F'up" -- I have faith that day will come even if buckets of Goyim blood are needlessly spilled until that day comes.

[Whaler]

This does raise a question: Can Americans remove the Jewish Power Acronym List infecting the country using "Democracy" or a "Democratic System"? Is "Democracy" and Jew Media ultimately the "power" over their "Golem" America? Will it wake up?

That's a good question and I have actually been thinking about it recently. I think the house murdering Ron Paul's audit the fed bill might wake people up a little. I have a good friend that is a Ron Paul/libertarian/campaign for liberty type(small business owner). I talked to him today and he was feeling hopeless. I also noticed he has become Jew-awake, not Jew-wise but definitely aware of Jewish power and I think people like him are ready to call the Jew out.
If the US invades Iran then the shit will hit the fan and you will see some people going ape-shit.

Democracy will not work. The only viable solution to dislodging the Jew from gov't is a military coup....not sure if that's even realistic but who knows.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

This does raise a question: Can Americans remove the Jewish Power Acronym List infecting the country using "Democracy" or a "Democratic System"? Is "Democracy" and Jew Media ultimately the "power" over their "Golem" America? Will it wake up?

That's a good question and I have actually been thinking about it recently. I think the house murdering Ron Paul's audit the fed bill might wake people up a little. I have a good friend that is a Ron Paul/libertarian/campaign for liberty type(small business owner). I talked to him today and he was feeling hopeless. I also noticed he has become Jew-awake, not Jew-wise but definitely aware of Jewish power and I think people like him are ready to call the Jew out.
If the US invades Iran then the shit will hit the fan and you will see some people going ape-shit.

Democracy will not work. The only viable solution to dislodging the Jew from gov't is a military coup....not sure if that's even realistic but who knows.

I agree with you there Whaler... if the US military Goy leaders get "Jew-wise" it might be the Tipping Point against blatant Jew Scams...
Iran could be a trigger if dumbasses stop watching Jew TV.  As long as Jew Tube keeps running... I have little faith the Golem wakes. But a day will come when it does... Jew Scams are like an infection... at some point the reaction happens and it is beyond even conscious decision making...  the Jew Debts, scams, focused divisions and lies must be dealt with with some rooted awareness like a fever or a Survive or Flight reaction-- Jew crap will get too real.

[The Populist]

I am an American, and I agree with MSMD. There is no excuse for the lethargy of the American People while our country carries out these atrocities. And there is no excuse for remaining ignorant while the truth is there for anyone to see.

[ahaze]

This does raise a question: Can Americans remove the Jewish Power Acronym List infecting the country using "Democracy" or a "Democratic System"? Is "Democracy" and Jew Media ultimately the "power" over their "Golem" America? Will it wake up?

I guess that summarizes an unspoken elephant-in-the-room question.  Thanks for elucidating.  And likewise I've been pondering circuitously.  But like I mentioned, with entities in motion capable of pulling off mind-fucks like 9/11, the game is evidently at play on a field much bigger than we've been allowed to perceive.  The "linguistic relativity" (or Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis) of all of our relative understandings of the circumstances trying to make sense of the appropriate approach here seems to half-exhibit the confused jeerings of the masses such mind-rapists intend.  So I don't want to add to it with a bunch of half-baked musings, but the provocateurs do appear to be making blatant demonstrations of their insolence that have been of note to me that might be of value for others.

- The mind-fuckers would appear to completely control the intelligence agencies, not to mention the copiously spooked finance system in tandem with all of the Zionists in government, so the enemy-of-the-state eradication effort would have to encompass infrastructural reformation on the scale of inventing a new government.  

- It seems like the ante to play the mind-fuck game substantially increased with the Gulf gusher.  So anybody who thought the powers-that-be overplayed their hand with 9/11 in some ways have been forced to fold.  If the Gulf gusher truly represents an engineered disaster, then it also stands as an indicator the insidious agenda comprehends factors driving planetary systems with ability to forecast resource effective global events.

- The mind-fuck game would appear to depend on people adhering to institutional world paradigms.  Comprehension of the world through failed religious frameworks and perceiving idealizations according to corporate promotions seems key to fulfilling the mind-fuck agenda.

- As much murderous contempt as the mind-fuckers would appear to have for the U.S.A. they also appear to appreciate the boons therein to the degree they suffer from a dependency on that which they loath.

- The mind-fuckers depend on flock behavior and instinctual reactions.

- There are far more people of good conscience than not.

With the Gulf gusher it seems to me as if powers-that-be delivered the dirty bomb (speculated to be coming) and now count on carrying out agendas for world-wide catastrophe on scales as unimaginable as the science the LHC stands to reveal.  To what extent that agenda unfolds largely seems to me a factor of how long people adhere to failed belief systems and whether they activate greater perceptive capacities capable of disavowing the systems that have failed them while inventing anew from the resource pool that has come to us.

[Negentropic]

This is typical american arrogance at its best. You think you're better than everyone else, which is very Jew. Since you live in a Jew country I can't expect any better I guess. Americans don't have anything to be proud of, not at all.

What arrogance?  I post a picture of and link to "Enola Gay" and its pilot dying with no regrets after having massacred 150,000 Japanese for no real reason and you call me an arrogant American at its 'best,'  or did you mean worst?  I think I'm better than everyone else? In what way?  I said the American constitution if followed is a good thing. Why?  Same reason that European non-constitutional traditions of freedom and individual rights are good, because they create an environment where true culture can flourish and thrive and living standards for everyone can drastically improve.  I thought you knew this but I'll clarify. The American constitution and its imitators protect 'individual inalienable rights,' which if applied to the entire planet would take care of the rights of every human being on the planet.  

What do you advocate? Iraqi rights? Iranian rights? Palestinian rights? Maybe even Iranian women's rights? Chicano rights? Tazmanian rights?  Gay rights? MSMD Martian-Canadian rights? Well , individual rights covers all that since the individual is the smallest minority. Comprende ?  Whenever group rights violated individual rights within America's borders (at least for all the white people),  the constitution and the rights of the individual would trump it.  This arrangement left Americans much freer than the European nations with their always counter-balanced with plenty of statism liberties and usury based or not, served to hasten American progress and industry. When group rights and pressure-group wars for political favors started taking center stage that's when the slow death of America started. Gradual Fascism first, some quicker transition into socialism next and communism last. We are going into the communist stage right now. People from communist countries I've met here in L.A. have told me that to them what's happening in America right now is like Deja Vu, they've seen it all before and can't believe that it's happening again here. They told me to expect more and more corruption the closer the country gets to communism.  

And what does it matter what country I'm from?

You're the one that thinks it matters not me. If it doesn't matter then come out with it.  Otherwise you make it obvious that it matters.

What are you worried about? That I might have a couple of chuckles and judge you on geographical grounds and stereotype you as 'arrogant'  the way you have with me or maybe a hypocrite ?  

Are you going to start ranting and raving now about how all Americans are the biggest mass-murderers of all time and have no right to talk about any rights?  I'm an American, I wasn't even born here and English was only my third language. I don't support any mass-murderers anywhere and American soldiers being the biggest mass-murderers, you can bet your ass I don't support the troops and never did. That said, I refuse to play your game of demonizing a whole people based on the geographic borderlines they happen to be living within.  If that makes me arrogant in your book, so be it, who gives a shit?  

Americans don't have anything to be proud of, not at all.

If by that you mean, their military and what its been doing as the Rothschilds and the banksters' attack dog around the world, you're right. If by that you mean, all the racist assholes who support this same murderous, blood-thirsty military, you're right again.

However, last time I checked all these people here also happened to be American and not Tazmanian, Mexican, Iranian or Uruguayan:


Ezra Pound

Thomas Paine

Lewis & Clark

Eustace Mullins

William Cooper

Ted Anderson

Alex Jones

Jeff Rense

Daryl Bradford Smith

Michael Collins Piper

Kevin Barrett

Charles Giuliani

Mark Glenn

Michael Rivero

Rick Adams

John Stadtmiller

Lorraine Day

Hesham Tillawi

H.L. Mencken

Andrew Jackson (for kicking the bankers out, not for massacring Indians)

Thomas Jefferson

Willie Nelson

James Fetzer

William Rodriguez

Henry Ford

Orville & Wilbur Wright

Alexander Graham Bell

Thomas Alva Edison

Henry David Thoreau

Ralph Waldo Emerson

Frank Lloyd Wright

Nikola Tesla (American Citizen from 1891 on)

Willis Carrier

Rachel Corrie

Charles E. Coughlin

Carol Valentine

Elizabeth Dilling

Charles August Lindbergh Sr.

Charles Lindbergh Jr.

Alan Sabrosky

John Moses Browning

Gerald Celente

Ted Pike

Jim Condit Jr.

David Cole

Fred Leuchter

Joan Veon

John Kaminski

Ken O'Keefe (no longer an American citizen but born and raised)

Murray Rothbard

Harry Browne

Mark Twain

Robert Fulton

Benjamin Franklin

Edgar Allan Poe

John Adams

Russell Means

Walt Whitman

Walt Disney

Eli Whitney

Louis Farrakhan

Devvy Kidd

Texe Marrs

Jim Marrs

Benjamin Freedman

Myron Fagan

Smedley Butler

Robert Atkins

Steve Jobs

George S. Patton

Lynyrd Skynyrd

Prothink

Tony Hmura

Cushman Cunningham

G. Edward Griffin

Paul Craig Roberts

Ellen Brown

George Carlin

Frank Zappa

Robert Anton Wilson

Philip K. Dick

Charles Goodyear

George Washington Carver

Bill Hicks

Miles Davis

Nat King Cole

John Lipscomb

Chet Baker

Frank Sinatra

Elvis Presley

Johnny Cash

Les Paul

R. Buckminster Fuller

Steve Wozniak

Martin Scorsese

Thomas James of HempUSA.org

Brian De Palma

Francis Ford Coppola

Michael Hoffman

Mark Weber

Lew Rockwell

Ray McGovern

Bradley Smith

Karen Kwiatkowski

Andy Gauss

Royal Raymond Rife

James Stewart

Dave Brubeck

Charlotte Isebyrt

Cynthia McKinney

Christopher Jon Bjerknes

So, let me guess, you're going to tell me you don't consider any of these people 'Americans,' just like you didn't consider all those other people in the previous post 'Jews'  ? You're the one that gets to define all the labels here to your liking, right?  

Tell me how Lynyrd Skynyrd and Charles Goodyear never affected your life MSMD !  Are you a "Freebird" or not MSMD ?   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: Don't you love your "Sweet Home Alabama"?  :lol: Does your car have rubber tires or not?    :lol: I don't know about you but I know that's it's precisely because of non-Americans like these that the Vietnamese people and the Japanese hold no grudge against the American people in general just because their brainwashed soliders massacred millions of them in 2 different manufactured wars.


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America is simply a vessel for Jewish enslavement of the free world.

If by that you mean the American Military, true, since they have the biggest, most expensive, most efficient, most gigantic dicks or   killing machines. If you mean all Americans, like I already said last month and maybe will have to say again next month and every month after that: horse manure or as Rivero would say, bovine excrement !  How about the millions that marched against the Iraq war carrying 'not in our name' signs?  You conveniently ignore that because it doesn't jive with your little bash-fest.

And all you can say is that these countries, that America is raping, robbing, looting, bombing and systematically destroying as we speak didn't have as many "individual rights" as in America? Ha! the nerve.

Who in the fuck said that?  You said that, not me. Way to go using Yeshiva school Jason Bermas tactics!   Should I put a yarmulke on your head now? I said individual rights are a good thing, not that those that have some individual rights can go kill people in countries that have less of those rights or none at all . Nor that Jewmerica is in possession of its originally constitutionally guaranteed individual rights anymore.   Something called the Patriot act took care of that a few years ago.  never mind that they had already been systematically degraded and made less and less effective over the decades anyway.

I also never said or even suggested or implied that raping and robbing and bombing and massacring people in countries lacking individual rights is just fine by me!  (Your Yeshiva School debate team said that;    :up: I'm not saying you're a Jew, just that you like to argue like one by completely ignoring anything that has already been clearly stated that won't support your 'argument' or rather 'rant' of the moment ) .  Collective punishments for individual crimes that Iraq and Afghanistan didn't even commit even if the official pile of bullshit was true are as wrong and barbaric as it gets.  I don't believe in collective punishments for individual crimes, period.  If 300 people come and bomb your neighborhood and they all happen to be from another neighborhood. You don't go bomb their neighborhood in a civilized country. You track down those 300 people and bring them to justice but if the same 300 people do it in American uniforms in a 'war' to a neighborhood in Iraq then all of America is responsible? Why  ? Because they all lived within certain designated borders? Because each had a pathetic little vote in a pathetic little rigged election somewhere for some pathetic little puppet?  

You've really done a number on the world, yet have the audacity to criticize Ahmadinejad's country? That's pretty sick. Iran is not hurting and killing millions of people, Iran hasn't invaded another country in hundreds of years. You cite a primitive law about rape as if this is the equivalent to all of America's horror's thus we should forget about them?

Iran hasn't invaded but Iraq has Iran and Kuwait directed by the JSA or did you develop selective amnesia with regard to the Iran-Iraq war of  8  years and it's massacre of 500,000 plus people? Iranians and Iraqis butchered each other in that 8 year war not Americans.  Americans and Jews just sold weapons to both sides.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq_War

You have no right to say a word against a single other country in the world, when you're living in the biggest terror state in the world at this very moment.

I thought the English were ahead of us JewSA arrogant bastards in terms of internal tyranny but screw that, I've already said more than just a thousand words about so-called 'countries' and their mystical rituals that butt heads with each other on a regular basis. Why can't you think beyond borders and 'countries' and such nonsense. The real battle is between the conformists and non-conformists in all territories of the world, the JWO and those opposing it in all territories of the world, between the brainwashed and the 'truthers,' between those for collectivism and those for individual rights if you want to put it in Ayn Rand or Libertarian terms. Americans as a so called 'country" ,  being the world's biggest hypocrites, aren't the ones advocating individual rights-- millions of individual human beings from all over the world, including some from countries where no such rights exist, people who have never advocated war and massacre and barbaric, brutal regimes are the ones doing the advocating.  This is because there are no other rights possible if the individual's rights are violated.

If Iraq wasn't being raped and robbed and looted and destroyed, and Saddam was still in charge and no sanctions were being imposed on his country for 10 years resulting in a million (mostly children) deaths,  and no regular bombings were taking place for 10 years post Desert Storm, their lives would be immeasurably better than what they are living now under 'operation iraqi freedom' (! ) but you would still be correct in advocating more individual rights for Iraqi citizens through peaceful means. You would still be right in advocating more individual rights  in Islamic fundamentalist shithole Iran. I  personally know many people here in Los Angeles, both Armenian and Persian who used to live under the Islamic fundamentalist regime in Iran, so don't tell me it's not a tyrannical hell-hole.  


You'd be hard-pressed to find a single older Iranian living in L.A. who wouldn't go back to their home country in a hearbeat if a more secular dictatorship like the former CIA puppet Shah's regime took over. If you talk to the older Iranians in L.A., not the rich ones living in Beverly Hills and stuff, but just middle class ones, most of them will tell you how great life was under the Shah and how superior the quality of their lives to what they live here in America.  If you didn't stick your nose into politics, life was sweet, blah blah blah, that's what they all tell you.  So dictatorship does not necessarily equal a shitty standard of living as long as you shut your mouth when it comes to politics and do what you're told.  Does that make it right? Hell no!   That's why even under the Shah's "Dolce Vita" regime, where girls could go around in miniskirts and you even had gay bars in certain sections of town, you still had plenty of people imprisoned, tortured and killed for wanting certain freedoms allowed in Europe and America but not there. Not one out of a hundred of these guys even considers going back as long as the Islamic regime is still in charge.

Ahmedinejad says they have no gays in Iran

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that's because they scare them shitless back in the closet and if they catch gays engaging in homosexuality, they hang them.  If a woman commits adultery, she might get 4 years in prison just for starters, mandatory 99 lashes and then buried up to her neck in the ground and publicly stoned to death with small stones, sometimes even in a  soccer stadium where everyone gets to join in on the fun.


Porn actress stoned to death in Iran Prison

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?sf=3&click_id=3&art_id=qw990444181879B265&set_id=1

here's one of the latest adultery cases. She's been in prison since 2006 and they've already lashed her 99 times, but they're still considering whether they should stone her or hang her:  

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/07/09/iranian-woman-will-not-be-stoned-may-still-be-killed.html


you see the hypocritical assholes have realized that 'stoning' is bad public relations for them but still can't get past their own barbaric fundamentalist Islamic law that condemns the adulterer to death.

http://www.iran-e-azad.org/stoning/women.html

http://www.iran-e-azad.org/stoning/khatami.html



Stoning to Death in Iran:
A Crime Against Humanity
Carried Out By the Mullahs' Regime  
________________________________________
Stoning women to death in Iran
 A Special Case Study
The stoning of women is one of the more savage, and revealing aspects of the mullahs' rule in Iran. This vicious punishment of women is without precedent in Iran's recent history. Since the inception of the mullahs' rule, hundreds of women of various ages have been and continue to be stoned to death throughout Iran.  

What makes this hideous crime even more abhorrent is that it is carried out under the name of Islam. The Quran and the Prophet of Islam despised such behavior. On the contrary, in the Quran and the Prophet's traditions, such barbarism is denounced. The Prophet did his utmost to eradicate backward traditions, including stoning, which victimized women.  

The authorities of the Islamic Republic have attempted to explain away stoning in Iran, as noted in the report by the U.N. Special Representative on Iran, as something that takes place only in remote and culturally backward areas. Actually, stoning and other cruel punishments are used by the regime to extend their reign of terror, while internationally Tehran tries to deny responsibility. It must be noted that:  

1- The responsibility for any inhuman punishment, regardless of where it takes place, lies with the judiciary and the state,  

2- Stoning and other cruel punishments taking place in the Islamic Republic of Iran are not a matter of individual discretion; rather, they are defined by the law of the land, and such sentences are issued based on these laws.  

The penalty for adultery under Article 83 of the penal code, called the Law of Hodoud is flogging (100 lashes of the whip) for unmarried male and female offenders. Married offenders may be punished by stoning regardless of their gender, but the method laid down for a man involves his burial up to his waist, and for a woman up to her neck (article 102). The law provides that if a person who is to be stoned manages to escape, he or she will be allowed to go free. Since it is easier for a man to escape, this discrimination literally becomes a matter of life and death.  

Interestingly, Article 6 (2) of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, which Iran has ratified, states: "Sentence of death may be imposed only for the most serious crimes in accordance with the law in force at the time of the commission of the crime." Offenses for which the Law of Hodoud provides the death penalty do not involve murder or serious bodily harm, constituting the "most serious crimes".  

Article 104 of the Law of Hodoud provides that the stones should not be so large that a person dies after being hit with two of them, nor so small as to be defined as pebbles, but must cause severe injury. This makes it clear that the purpose of stoning is to inflict grievous pain on the victim, in a process leading to his or her slow death.  
 

3- All execution orders and verdicts of stoning must be upheld by the supreme court in Tehran irrespective of where they were issued. Therefore, the regime's justification is absurd.  

- The video is a documentary recording of four individuals being stoned in one of the security centers in Tehran in the presence of high ranking officials of the regime's judiciary. The video tape, smuggled out of the country by the Mojahedin, shows the representative of the prosecutor reading out the verdicts. He declares that the verdicts were issued by Ali Razini, the head of Judicial Organization of the Military Forces. Razini can be seen in the video tape, and throws the first stone. The prosecutor of military forces, Niazi, is also present. Razini is currently the head of Tehran's Justice Department and also heads the "Special Clerical Court."  

Anecdotes of this brutal process reveal ever more of cruelty. The regime's authorities usually force the victim's family members, including children, to watch the stoning to death of their loved one, and in some instances, when the woman miraculously managed to escape, contrary to the regime's own law, she was recaptured and either stoned again or killed on the spot.  

On August 10, 1994, in the city of Arak, a woman was sentenced to death by stoning. According to the ruling of the religious judge, her husband and two children were forced to attend the execution. The woman urged her husband to take the children away, but to no avail. A truck full of stones was brought in to be used during the stoning. In the middle of the stoning, although her eyes had been gouged out, the victim was able to escape from the ditch and started running away, but the regime's guards recaptured her and shot her to death.  

In October 1989 in the city of Qom, a woman who was being stoned managed to pull herself out of the hole, only to be forced back into it and stoned to death. In justifying the murder, Qom's Chief Religious Judge, Mullah Karimi, elaborated to Ressalat newspaper on October 30, 1989: "Generally speaking, legal and religious decrees on someone condemned to stoning call for her stoning if her guilt was proven on the basis of witnesses' testimonies. Even if she were to escape in the middle of the administration of the sentence, she must be returned and stoned to death."  

On July 13, 1997, Kayhan reported that Changiz Rahimi was sentenced to death, stoning and payment of fine for committing murder and adultery.  

On October 26, 1997, six individuals were stoned in Sari, the provincial capital of Mazandaran. This was reported by Salaam daily and international news agencies. The names of the victims were given as Fatemeh Danesh, Masoumeh Eini, Marzieh Fallah, Ali Mokhtarpour, Parviz Hasanzadeh and Kheirollah Javanmard.  

AFP, December 7, 1994:  

Hamshahri reported that a woman and a man were recently stoned to death in Ramhormouz on murder and adultery charges.  

AFP, November 16, 1994  

Abrar reported on Wednesday that three Iranians including a woman were stoned in the city of Sari (northern Iran), after being found guilty of adultery and rape by the Islamic court.  

AFP, 11 November 1995, quoting Jomhouri Islami reported that a man was stoned in the city of Hamedan.  

AFP, June 8, 1996  

Hamshahri reported on Saturday that a man and a women were stoned in the city of Oroumieh on murder and adultery charges. Shahin Soltan-Moradi had murdered her husband with the help of her lover, Mohammad Ali Hemmati in November 1994.  

On July 14, 1995, Amnesty International reported that two women by the names of Saba Abdali, 30, and Zeinab Heidary, 38, were faced with stoning in the city of Ilam Gharb.  

On December 7, 1994, Reuters quoted a state-controlled newspaper report by Hamshahri, on a married woman who was stoned to death in the city of Ramhormouz, southwestern Iran.  

Ressalat, March 1, 1994, read: "A woman was stoned to death in the city of Qom."  

Kayhan of February 1, 1994, reported that a woman named Mina Kolvat was stoned to death in Tehran for having immoral relations with her cousin.  

The U.N. Special Representative on the human rights situation in Iran reported to the U.N. General Assembly in 1993: "On November 1, 1992, a woman named Fatima Bani was stoned to death in Isfahan."  

Abrar reported on November 5, 1991 that a woman charged with immoral relations was stoned in the city of Qom.  

According to Kayhan, August 21, 1991, a woman charged with adultery by the name of Kobra was sentenced to 70 lashes and stoning. The verdict was carried out in the presence of local people and district officials.  

Jomhouri Islami wrote on March 11, 1991, that in Rasht (northern Iran), "Bamani Fekri, child of Mohammad-Issa, guilty of complicity in first-degree murder, adultery and incineration of the victim's body; was sentenced to stoning, retribution, blinding of both eyes and payment of 100 gold dinars. After the announcement of the verdict, she committed suicide in prison."  

Ressalat reported on January 16, 1990, that a woman was stoned to death in the city of Bandar Anzali (northern Iran).  

Ettela'at reported on January 5, 1990: "Two women were stoned publicly on Wednesday in the northern city of Lahijan."  

Jomhouri Islami, January 2, 1990: "Two women were stoned in the city of Langrood (northern Iran)."  

Kayhan wrote on July 31, 1989: "Six women were stoned to death publicly in Kermanshah on charges of adultery and moral corruption."  

Kayhan, April 17, 1989, quoted the Religious judge and head of the Fars and Bushehr Justice Department as sentencing 10 women to stoning to death on prostitution charges which were immediately carried out.  

Tehran radio, reported on March 6, 1989 that a women was stoned in Karaj for committing adultery."  

Kayhan, October 4, 1986, reported that a 25-year-old woman named Nosrat was stoned to death in the city of Qom. She died after an hour of continuos stoning.  

On April 17, 1986 a woman was stoned to death in the city of Qom. Prior to being stoned, she was whipped in public.  

In July 1980, four women were simultaneously stoned to death in the city of Kerman.  

It must be noted that the cases of stoning in small towns and cities were not included here.  

The brutality is not limited to stoning. For example, in late May 1990, in the city of Neyshabour (northeastern Iran), a woman charged with adultery was thrown off a 10-story building. The execution was carried out in public, and the victim died on impact.  

The regime's duplicity when it comes to publicizing the news of such Byzantine atrocities, is very telling. Inside Iran, they are trumpeted with great fanfare, but when it comes to the international arena, officials brazenly deny their methods. In an interview with Le Figaro on September 10, 1994, Rafsanjani was asked, "Are women accused of adultery stoned in Iran?" He replied: "No, no such thing exists in Iran. This has been fabricated to damage us."  

In his April 1998 trip to France and Sweden, Ata'ollah Mohajerani, the Minister of Culture and Islamic Guidance and Khatami's government spokesman, who is regarded to be a moderate figure, discussed several matters. His positions openly contradicted what he says in Iran and the actions of the government. When asked about his views about stoning, Mohajerani refrained from making an unequivocal statement of support for this inhuman practice. Upon returning to Iran, however, he said explicitly that he does not oppose stoning but believes that efforts should be made to stop the dissemination of the news of stoning and filming the scenes.  
It is therefore clear that the question is not whether stoning should be carried out or not, but it about where and how stoning should be implemented.

In her first interview with a foreign publication, Massoumeh Ebtekar, who was appointed as vice-president by Khatami, tried to avoid stating her views on stoning. Only later in the interview did she admit to its occurrence in general terms, but qualified her remark by saying it occurs only in remote places.  

Indeed, stoning is indispensable to the clerics efforts to intimidate and terrorize the Iranian public. During Friday prayers, in May of 1998,  in the provincial capital of Kermanshah (the largest city in western Iran), Mullah Zarandi had the following to say about the need to carry out stoning: "The security forces have to show more presence in the society. In order to set an example for others, the judiciary should also bring some of those eligible to one of the city squares and amputate their hands. They should also have a series of stoning. I promise that the society will be rectified."


MSMD's hero before the Islamic Revolution forced that permanent beard on his ass:








Ahmedinejad speaking at the ceremony marking the anniversary of the deah of CIA / Mossad Puppet Ayatollah Khomeini



ANYTHING about Persia (Iran) in just 10 minutes. Watch it!

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Khomeini Demands Shah from the U.S. for Release of Hostages

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Khomeini threatens to cut all their hands off:

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Watch this until the end if you wanna see how bat-shit crazy these mullahs are
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Khomeini's Ass Kissing Ceremony

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A long, long time ago...
I can still remember
How that music used to make me smile.
And I knew if I had my chance
That I could make those people dance
And, maybe, they'd be happy for a while.

But february made me shiver
With every paper I'd deliver.
Bad news on the doorstep;
I couldn't take one more step.

I can't remember if I cried
When I read about his widowed bride,
But something touched me deep inside
The day the music died.

So bye-bye, miss american pie.
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
And them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey and rye
Singin', "this'll be the day that I die.
"this'll be the day that I die."

Did you write the book of love,
And do you have faith in God above,
If the Bible tells you so?
Do you believe in rock 'n roll,
Can music save your mortal soul,
And can you teach me how to dance real slow?

Well, I know that you're in love with him
`cause I saw you dancin' in the gym.
You both kicked off your shoes.
Man, I dig those rhythm and blues.

I was a lonely teenage broncin' buck
With a pink carnation and a pickup truck,
But I knew I was out of luck
The day the music died.

I started singin',
"bye-bye, miss american pie."
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
Them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey and rye
And singin', "this'll be the day that I die.
"this'll be the day that I die."

Now for ten years we've been on our own
And moss grows fat on a rollin' stone,
But that's not how it used to be.
When the jester sang for the king and queen,
In a coat he borrowed from james dean
And a voice that came from you and me,

Oh, and while the king was looking down,
The jester stole his thorny crown.
The courtroom was adjourned;
No verdict was returned.
And while lennon read a book of marx,
The quartet practiced in the park,
And we sang dirges in the dark
The day the music died.

We were singing,
"bye-bye, miss american pie."
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
Them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey and rye
And singin', "this'll be the day that I die.
"this'll be the day that I die."

Helter skelter in a summer swelter.
The birds flew off with a fallout shelter,
Eight miles high and falling fast.
It landed foul on the grass.
The players tried for a forward pass,
With the jester on the sidelines in a cast.

Now the half-time air was sweet perfume
While the sergeants played a marching tune.
We all got up to dance,
Oh, but we never got the chance!
`cause the players tried to take the field;
The marching band refused to yield.
Do you recall what was revealed
The day the music died?

We started singing,
"bye-bye, miss american pie."
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
Them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey and rye
And singin', "this'll be the day that I die.
"this'll be the day that I die."

Oh, and there we were all in one place,
A generation lost in space
With no time left to start again.
So come on: jack be nimble, jack be quick!
Jack flash sat on a candlestick
Cause fire is the devil's only friend.

Oh, and as I watched him on the stage
My hands were clenched in fists of rage.
No angel born in hell
Could break that satan's spell.
And as the flames climbed high into the night
To light the sacrificial rite,
I saw satan laughing with delight
The day the music died

He was singing,
"bye-bye, miss american pie."
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
Them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey and rye
And singin', "this'll be the day that I die.
"this'll be the day that I die."

I met a girl who sang the blues
And I asked her for some happy news,
But she just smiled and turned away.
I went down to the sacred store
Where I'd heard the music years before,
But the man there said the music wouldn't play.

And in the streets: the children screamed,
The lovers cried, and the poets dreamed.
But not a word was spoken;
The church bells all were broken.
And the three men I admire most:
The father, son, and the holy ghost,
They caught the last train for the coast
The day the music died.

And they were singing,
"bye-bye, miss american pie."
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
And them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey and rye
Singin', "this'll be the day that I die.
"this'll be the day that I die."

They were singing,
"bye-bye, miss american pie."
Drove my chevy to the levee,
But the levee was dry.
Them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey and rye
Singin', "this'll be the day that I die."

[superzebra]

negen...i think you should post this jewish propganda at cnn or fox not here.

[superzebra]

IT WAS USA THAT OVERTHROW ELECTED PM OF IRAN IN 1958 AND INSTALL THE SHAH.
IN 1979 USA OVERTHROW THE SHAH AND INSTALL THIS AYATOLLAH.

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

@ negentropic
funny how you can me a "ranter & raver" in the midst of a lunatic novel-length post. You're the biggest ranter on this site. You can't get your point across in less than 1000 words like a true ranting lunatic. Usually the bottom half of your posts is where you descend into absolute la-la land and post shit that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

America is simply a vessel for Jewish enslavement of the free world.

How about the millions that marched against the Iraq war carrying 'not in our name' signs?  You conveniently ignore that because it doesn't jive with your little bash-fest.

I guess I have to love Jews too since a few Rabbis hold signs mildly critical of Israel?

You've really done a number on the world, yet have the audacity to criticize Ahmadinejad's country? That's pretty sick. Iran is not hurting and killing millions of people, Iran hasn't invaded another country in hundreds of years. You cite a primitive law about rape as if this is the equivalent to all of America's horror's thus we should forget about them?

Iran hasn't invaded but Iraq has Iran and Kuwait directed by the JSA or did you develop selective amnesia with regard to the Iran-Iraq war of  8  years and it's massacre of 500,000 plus people? Iranians and Iraqis butchered each other in that 8 year war not Americans.  Americans and Jews just sold weapons to both sides.

Like you said Americans and Jews sold weapons to both sides, if not for them the war doesn't happen. And how is Iran culpable there? They were attacked and simply defended themselves from foreign occupiers. Iraq backed by U.S. weapons invaded Iran and used chemical weapons on Iranians and Kurds. If it weren't for the U.S. it wouldn't have happened. If it weren't for U.S. support and encouragement, Saddam doesn't invade Iran. Saddam was a CIA puppet. The CIA loves military dictatorships, and has installed hundreds of them all over the world from Asia, to Africa, and especially central/south America. Every great mass murdering military dictatorship was put in place by the CIA, from Pinochet (Chile) to General Suharto (Indonesia) to Pol Pot (Cambodia), etc. It is estimated that CIA covert ops are responsible for the deaths of at least 6 million people from their inception to 1987. The U.S. government supports basically every conflict between nations and often times instigates them to appease U.S. weapons manufacturers and war profiteers who sell to both sides. The U.S. is the most evil country in the world. The population of America is fed a steady diet of chemical foods, violent video games, and horror films to desensitize them and make them use to the idea of violence; thus violence and war seem natural to them and they will be much more compliant when the government starts beating the drums of war. It's really a satanic society at this point.

I  personally know many people here in Los Angeles, both Armenian and Persian who used to live under the Islamic fundamentalist regime in Iran, so don't tell me it's not a tyrannical hell-hole.  

According to the Jews and the U.S. government it's a tyrannical shithole. I don't believe them. I'm not going to pretend I know what Ahmadinejad's country is like, I've never been there. And I can't judge his country until I do. I judge the man based on what he says and does, and so far I am impressed. I'm definitely not going to get on board with obvious anti-Iranian Jew propaganda, such as the stuff you spout off the cuff.

You'd be hard-pressed to find a single older Iranian living in L.A. who wouldn't go back to their home country in a hearbeat if a more secular dictatorship like the former CIA puppet Shah's regime took over.

I'll call bullshit on that one. Iranians were horribly oppressed under "secular" dictator, CIA puppet the Shah of Iran and his ruthless CIA/Mossad created SAVAK secret police hit squad. Iranians were so fed up with the oppression under this CIA stooge that it resulted in the Islamic revolution in 1979 when the Shah was ousted and Khomeini took power, which was welcomed by a majority of Iranians. The SAVAK was dismantled under Khomeini. Whose track record is worse, "secular" Saddam Huessein, or "Islamic fundamentalist" Ahmadinejad? Hmmm? And why do the U.S. gov't hate Islamic republics so much? Somalia is on the verge of getting an Islamic gov't, the U.S. is now meddling to undermine it. When the Algerian people wanted an Islamic gov't CIA and Mossad agents infiltrated, and destroyed it. If the West hate them so much then they can't be all that bad can they?

If you talk to the older Iranians in L.A., not the rich ones living in Beverly Hills and stuff, but just middle class ones, most of them will tell you how great life was under the Shah and how superior the quality of their lives to what they live here in America.  If you didn't stick your nose into politics, life was sweet, blah blah blah, that's what they all tell you.  So dictatorship does not necessarily equal a shitty standard of living as long as you shut your mouth when it comes to politics and do what you're told.  Does that make it right? Hell no!   That's why even under the Shah's "Dolce Vita" regime, where girls could go around in miniskirts and you even had gay bars in certain sections of town, you still had plenty of people imprisoned, tortured and killed for wanting certain freedoms allowed in Europe and America but not there.

Ahh, I see, the Shah allowed gay bars so he was a good guy :lol:. I guess that would have pleased you huh?

Not one out of a hundred of these guys even considers going back as long as the Islamic regime is still in charge.

Well that's because they got use to "Western culture" (i.e. sex/drugs/rock 'n roll lifestyle). Islam doesn't allow that, so obviously they wouldn't want go back.

Ahmedinejad says they have no gays in Iran

I'm starting to suspect this is the real reason you hate Ahmadinejad and Islamic governments. They aren't pro-gay enough for you.

that's because they scare them shitless back in the closet and if they catch gays engaging in homosexuality, they hang them.  If a woman commits adultery, she might get 4 years in prison just for starters, mandatory 99 lashes and then buried up to her neck in the ground and publicly stoned to death with small stones, sometimes even in a  soccer stadium where everyone gets to join in on the fun.

You talk as if you've seen this first hand. You are probably repeating some shit you read on a Jew website and now think you know how it is in Iran. Even if it has happened, compared to the U.S. and its countless murder, torture and pillaging of countless millions around the world, this is small potatoes. Seriously, go get yourself a rifle and head over there if you want to bring homosexuality to Iran. I'm sure you'd get some Jew-funding to do it too. :up:  Maybe Iran should adopt the satanic American culture, would that make you happy? Blood, lust and greed for all?

Porn actress stoned to death in Iran Prison

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?sf=3&click_id=3&art_id=qw990444181879B265&set_id=1

here's one of the latest adultery cases. She's been in prison since 2006 and they've already lashed her 99 times, but they're still considering whether they should stone her or hang her:  

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/07/09/iranian-woman-will-not-be-stoned-may-still-be-killed.html


you see the hypocritical assholes have realized that 'stoning' is bad public relations for them but still can't get past their own barbaric fundamentalist Islamic law that condemns the adulterer to death.

http://www.iran-e-azad.org/stoning/women.html

http://www.iran-e-azad.org/stoning/khatami.html

The U.S. killed over a million Vietnamese. They dropped two nukes on Japan. They have killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in secret wars all over the world, wars and military operations that people don't know of to this day. The U.S. has killed 1.5 million Iraqis, and almost two million Afghanis. they're now killing thousands in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia. They have displaced countless millions more. The U.S. military has spread depleted uranium all over the middle east which is causing cancers and horrific birth defects in thousands of Iraqis for years to come. They have even used directed energy laser weapons in Iraq. The U.S. has dozens of secret prisons all over the world where they torture innocent people. The U.S. military, CIA and private American security contractors are involved in illegal trafficking of Iraqi sex-slaves to pleasure soldiers and Blackwater employees. The biggest international drug and weapons traffickers are Americans. All of these people and horrible crimes go uncharged and uninvestigated by the U.S. justice system. As this happens your "country" looks the other way. Have a look at your own god-forsaken justice system before you criticize Iran's.

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Seriously Negentropic, your filthy, rotten and dirty government has been meddling in Iranian affairs for 60 years and have hurt Iran badly over and over again. Mosaddegh was going to nationalize Iran's oil reserves which would have benefited all Iranians. That would have happened if it weren't for a bunch of American CIA rats who put a stop to it. You don't have the right to criticize Iran because they'd be so much better off if it weren't for your meddling country. Islam may need some reforms, but the United States needs to be abolished forever and all of its citizens sent to re-education camps to unlearn their violent, satanic and malicious ways.

[Negentropic]

I think after all is said and done, Eustace Mullins was more correct in his analysis than anyone else. He said that Iran was nothing more than controlled opposition and had never been more than that since the Mossad / CIA who had protected Khomeini all those years, installed Khomeini.  

The CIA-Mossad-MI6  basically all serve the same bankster/elite world power not the so-called countries or 'sovereign' territories that front for them. Israel is a country created by the Rothschilds to front for criminal activity with the rights of a sovereign nation and England and America have operated in the same capacity for hundreds of years whenever it was necessary. All the other secret sevice organizations in most of the other so-called 'countries' of the world were either funded or created by them or collaborate with them. Plain & simple.  How in the hell is some third-world country going to develop an effective army much less a sophisticated secret police without major funding and training and knowledge?  Impossible.  They were all created by Western, ultimately elite funding.  And elite funding at its very top always means bankster funding and therefore Jew funding. The grand chessboard with lots of silly live people with no resources running around on it bumping into each other belongs to them and has belonged to them for a long time now, more or less. Shit, they said it themselves way back in the 19th century even before the protocols.

They installed the Shah in 1953 in place of Mossadeq because they were going to develop Iran quickly into a power in the region but they needed someone they could fully control.  The Shah probably thought they were genuinely trying to help his country and went along with it for some 20 years, he had no choice anyway, without CIA/Mossad/MI6 collaboration and help  he had no power.  Mossad trained Savak which imprisoned, tortured or killed any opposition before it could become a problem. Lots of communists were imprisoned too. This wasn't because Jews were not in charge of worldwide communism, they were. This was because they are in charge of both sides and always play them against each other. They used all the different 'isms' as vehicles of control. In Iran they needed the fascist regime to develop the country into a power. In other countries they used communism, socialism, mixed-economy mercantile capitalism.  The British had been in control of the Mullahs in Iran since before the Muslim brotherhood and understood their power. They were like Christian religious leaders in the middle ages.  The uneducated, deeply religious majority of the population was controlled by this mechanism in the pre-industrial Christian West and so it was in the pre-Industrial Muslim Middle-East.  The kings of the middle ages needed the blessing of the church in order to be annointed by God, same with the Muslim countries. So these Mullahs were persecuted to a  certain extent for the dual purpose of making sure the Shah stayed in power long enough to develop the country and at the same time to gradually agitate the lower class religiously devout masses against him. The Mullahs were from the beginning groomed to take over after the Shah had outgrown his usefulness in developing the countries economy, same as Saddam in Iraq a little later. The British knew that region inside and out. Funded by the money powers, they had been studying the Islamic countries since the 19th century. They knew more about these regions and their backgrounds  and propensities of the populations than the all the scholars of the actual people of the regions themselves. They knew that you can't possibly undo a firmly entrenched patriarchal structure based on religious zealotry developed over centuries in a few decades. You could suppress it but why go against the grain?  After all, the goal wasn't to advance humanity but to always maintain control for the elite. Therefore, much smarter than that would be to take control of it and use it to your own ends.  

Since they couldn't get the Shah to act like Saddam would a few years later and then brand him as a new Hitler, this way they would have controlled opposition in the form of the threat of world-terrorism to take over from their planned implosion of the Soviet Union which was their main boogie-man opposition for 40 years.  All this was already planned from before the time they installed the Shah in 1953 !!   The real goal was not to get Iranian oil since they had been getting Russian oil pumped through Iran for years anyway but to have a technologically developed enough country to pose a threat when their perfect evil front-men in the form of crazy-medieval Mullahs took over.  Every time they install someone they also install or infiltrate and take control of his opposition as insurance and switch power between them through funding to their own taste and in accordance with their plans. This way, if any unforeseen factors appear in the form of popular opposition they are in perfect position to grab control of that too and diffuse it.   I mean, can you find a better picture of what Westerners in their xenophobia and racism are apt to consider 'pure evil' than the Ayatollah Khomeini and others that dressed and looked like him?  Maybe Bin Laden?  Nah, the Ayatollah was and will always be the ultimate 'face of evil' molded-by-age poster boy to scare Westerners shitless.

That's why when they brought in Khomeini from Paris they made sure that the American hostages were not released and the whole hostage crisis situation was extended and  given massive Western media coverage.  If they really wanted to they could have taken over Iran at any time during this weak period. They didn't do this because their goal wasn't to take over Iran but to  create the perfect monster for Americans to hate and bear a grudge against for decades to come.  They humiliated and castrated Americans on TV for 444 days straight then snapped their fingers and the Iranians obediently released the hostages as soon as Reagan took office. Reagan didn't even have to deal with one day of hostage negotiatons. He came in on top with the hostages being released literally 20 minutes after he was sworn in.  


That's why all this hullabaloo about attacking Iran is a bunch of sabre-rattling and will remain sabre-rattling until a suitable replacement evil empire is found.  They'll keep CIA operations going in the country and killing a few people now and then just as a show of power but they won't invade until they get a better enemy. A dead Bin Laden and Al Queda being the do all and end all of terror, that story is getting more than a little thin even for the most brainwashed sheep.  They didn't need a valid reason to attack Iraq and Afghanistan, they just pretended to have a valid reason and they won't need a valid reason if and when they attack Iran, they'll just pretend they do.  It's not like they give one rat's ass what 'world opinion'  thinks of them since they own that world already. If the people in their world want to keep their toys and trinkets and high-tech serfdom then they better learn to be apathetic.  I don't think Iran will be invaded and occupied until they find a suitable controlled opposition replacement for it or simply make 'insurgents' or 'terrorists' the world over the new 'evil empire.' .  When the 'terrorists' become all the non-comformists to the JWO, then Iranian conformists will also be fighting versus Iranian non-conformists or 'insurgents' after their country gets occupied.  Any Third World War is bound to be between freedom-fighters of the world over labeled 'terrorists'  and 'insurgents' and the ass-kissing brigades of the JWO brainwashed into liquidating or neutralizing them.