Moonlanding

[Anonymous]

Tab You Are Wrong! A Crime Is A Crime Is A Crime! To Say Nothing Is To Invite Another And Another And Another! This War Has Many Fronts Man Your Post, MAN

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Tab You Are Wrong! A Crime Is A Crime Is A Crime! To Say Nothing Is To Invite Another And Another And Another! This War Has Many Fronts Man Your Post, MAN

Excellent points Melvin. The Moon Landing conspiracy is not insignificant.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

They had at least 2 other major orchestrated lies going about that time in the late 1960s:  
1. Magic Bullet and JFK
2. Gulf of Tonkin and the Vietnam war

It was mostly German refugees that got the space program off the ground so to speak.  If it was a hoax then it was useful propaganda in the Cold War.
http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/script ... tents.html

Also this article is important on German advances:

Secrets by the Thousands
Harper's Magazine 1946

http://www.nonstopsystems.com/radio/art ... ecrets.pdf

"The V2 rocket, which bombed London," an Army Air Force publication reports, "was just a toy compared to
what the Germans had up their sleeve."

When the war ended, we now know, they had 138 types of guided missiles in various stages of production or
development, using every known kind of remote control and fuse: radio, radar, wire, continuous wave,
acoustics, infra-red, light beams, and magnetics, to name some; and for power, all methods of jet propulsion
for either subsonic or supersonic speeds. Jet propulsion had even been applied to helicopter flight. The fuel
was piped to combustion chambers at the rotor blade tips, where it exploded, whirling the blades around like a
lawn sprinkler or pinwheel. As for rocket propulsion, their A-4 rocket, which was just getting into large scale
production when the war ended, was forty-six feet long, weighed over 24,000 pounds, and traveled 230 miles.
It rose sixty miles above the earth and had a maximum speed of 3,735 miles an hour – three times that of the
earth's rotation at the equator. The secret of its supersonic speed, we know today, lay in its rocket motor
which used liquid oxygen and alcohol for fuel. It was either radio controlled or self-guided to its target by
gyroscopic means. Since its speed was supersonic, it could not be heard before it struck.
Another German rocket which was coming along was the A-9. This was bigger still – 29,000 pounds – and
had wings which gave it a flying range of 3,000 miles. It was manufactured at the famous Peenemünde army
experiment station and achieved the unbelievable speed of 5,870 miles an hour.

A long range rocket-motored bomber which, the war documents indicate, was never completed merely
because of the war's quick ending, would have been capable of flight from Germany to New York in forty
minutes. Pilot-guided from a pressurized cabin, it would have flown at an altitude of 154 miles. Launching was
to be by catapult at 500 miles an hour, and the ship would rise to its maximum altitude in as short a time as
four minutes. There, fuel exhausted, it would glide through the outer atmosphere, bearing down on its target.
With one hundred bombers of this type the Germans hoped to destroy any city on earth in a few days
operations.

The largest production model of the Saturn family of rockets, the Saturn V was designed under the direction of Wernher von Braun and Arthur Rudolph at the Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama, with Boeing, North American Aviation, Douglas Aircraft Company, and IBM as the lead contractors. Von Braun's design was based in part on his work on the Aggregate series of rockets, especially the A-10, A-11, and A12 in Germany during World War II.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_V

An expensive pic to fake:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _Braun.jpg


A11

The A11, along with the A10 and A9, had the potential of launching a satellite payload.[citation needed] However, the conclusion of the war halted further efforts to develop or deploy this weapon.[citation needed]

It had a takeoff weight of 500 metric tons, a thrust of 11.8 meganewtons (MN) / 1,200,000 kgf or thrust (vacuum) 14 MN / 1,400,000 kgf, a diameter of 8.10 m, a span of 16.50 m and a length of 25.00 m.[citation needed]
[edit] A12

The A12 would have been a space transporter, capable of bringing up to 10 metric tons into low Earth orbit. The A12 was never constructed.[citation needed]

It is estimated that the A12 would have had a takeoff weight of 3,500 metric tons, a thrust of 100 MN / 10,000,000 kgf, a diameter of 11 m, a span of 23 m and a length of 33 m. The A12 was similar in design to the initial designs of the Saturn rockets

[scorpio]

Good Mike Trust your Government, See Where That Get You!  NASA is and was a black hole for tax dollars, to go to the crime network. Hasiblad cameras used normal film that could not work in a lunar environment, just one of hundreds of lies told. Go drink more kool-aid and prepare for the UFO's

I've butted heads with MikeWB several times on this site, but I must say, he is spot on regarding this issue. Did any of you guys even bother to watch the Mythbusters videos that he posted before you dismissed them?? They did a pretty good job of disproving many of your assertions.

Even if you are correct, which I seriously doubt, who cares? How is this going to help your credibility 'Melvin'....Uhhh I mean DBS.
You are entering the Rense zone. A talk show host you consistently bash for lacking credibility. Rense has been pushing the 'moon landing hoax' even longer than Huffshill has.

[ahaze]

Speaking of Hegelian Dialectics this seems the perfect example!  

Thesis: Humans on spaceships travel to and from the moon.
Antithesis:  Humans cannot engineer spaceships capable of travelling to the moon.  
Synthesis: Humans must not be able to travel to the moon due to photographic evidence that might be faked.
Denied: Electrogravitics, antigravity, advanced propulsion systems

The hoax landing story conceals very important factors about space travel and technology.  

Ben Rich was Jewish and lead Lockheed Martin SkunkWorks with the SR-71 touted as his main accomplishment, but others regard him as the Israeli spy most damaging to US aerospace achievement through his counter espionage involving Groom Lake tech.  Another of Ben Rich's famous quotes is, "We could take ET home".

The main space show conveniently conceals all the advanced R&D achieved in electrogravitics and alternative energy, while hyping the "moon landing hoax" further dissuades people from perceiving anything beyond conventional "forced air flight" transportation systems we've been forced to accept.  

MikeWB's questions seem exceedingly relevant, and /tab throws down a strong slice of the facts.

Aliens in the NASA Archives - More Stunning NASA UFO Anomalies Captured On Film
[youtube:2uim9zuc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-RPWhigpQg[/youtube]2uim9zuc]

[Whaler]

A few things that bother me about the moon hoax.

 The moonhoax was pushed on millions of Americans by a fanatical Zionist Jew network 9 months before 911...something stinks.
[googlevid:okeszesr]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8722567021561633304[/googlevid:okeszesr]





GOD DAMN GOVERNMENT!!!




Delaney nails the conspiracy right here. Forward to 8 minutes in. This guy is/was a great intellect, somewhere along the line he went off the reservation but in 2008 he was still firing on all cylinders.
Revolutionary movements set up as fronts for over-throwing governments
[googlevid:okeszesr]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4589224806421568500[/googlevid:okeszesr]

Look what the Shills are pushing in 2010


 The Moon hoax promotion could be part of this agenda. Make the people believe everything their gov't has told them is a lie and they have nothing to be prideful about.

"America is a cruel lie!!! Everything is a sham!!!"

"might as well accept world gov't. FUCK THE CONSTITUTION!! I WANT WORLD GOVERNMENT AND MARXISM!!!"

"I'm ready for the New World Religion...I love you Lucifer!!!"

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Scorpio, Ill ask you the same question I asked MikeWb. How can you reference a TV show? Not only a TV show, but one that claims melted steal and Arabs with plastic knives brought down the Twin Towers?

Was 9/11 not a conspiracy either?

[sirbadman]

I view the moonlanding hoax as an experiment to see how gullible the population is. To test whether they believe everything they read in the newspapers or see on TV.

Kind of like how Orson Welles convinced people that aliens had landed from Mars with that War of the Worlds radio show stunt.

There is heaps of proof out there on the moonlanding hoax.I accepted that was a hoax even before 9/11 happened. Dont even think the photos even have stars in the background because it was all filmed out in a desert somewhere with black back drops or something similar.

And how many other manned trips have we had to the moon since that hoax one.. um let's see.. zero. Our best effort would be to shoot over a buggy with a camera on it.

Jesus we are still driving around in petrol-based cars - technology which must be getting close to 100 years old. We're in feudal times with computers.

[ahaze]

The moonhoax was pushed on millions of Americans by a fanatical Zionist Jew network 9 months before 911...something stinks.

 

The Moon hoax promotion could be part of this agenda. Make the people believe everything their gov't has told them is a lie and they have nothing to be prideful about.

"America is a cruel lie!!! Everything is a sham!!!"

"might as well accept world gov't. FUCK THE CONSTITUTION!! I WANT WORLD GOVERNMENT AND MARXISM!!!"

"I'm ready for the New World Religion...I love you Lucifer!!!"

   Exactly, "shame the stooges", forefront on the criminal J-triber action item list.  Meanwhile you can't know about the wonders of cosmic creation because it would demonstrate all their god-constructs are bogus.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Why must the Govt Agents always defend the Moonlanding Hoax?

Why must theGovt Agents promote Alien propaganda while they deny that advanced technology used on 9/11?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DEiIq9_9OY

OK, so would do all of us alleged gov't agents have to gain by promoting the moon landing was a hoax theory? The alien agenda would be pushed regardless of if aliens exist or not. Truth can be used as a weapon too.

[jai_mann]

Why must the Govt Agents always defend the Moonlanding Hoax?

Why must theGovt Agents promote Alien propaganda while they deny that advanced technology used on 9/11?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DEiIq9_9OY

OK, so would do all of us alleged gov't agents have to gain by promoting the moon landing was a hoax theory? The alien agenda would be pushed regardless of if aliens exist or not. Truth can be used as a weapon too.

Tim, weigh the cost benefit/ratio of further discourse. I'm already of the opinion that this site has either masons and/or jews on here. 1) To promote their bullshit, 2) to waste our fucking time arguing with them.

I respect what you do and the torrents you put up. I'm sure you've got better things to do than waste time further on this issue. Regards.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Why must the Govt Agents always defend the Moonlanding Hoax?

Why must theGovt Agents promote Alien propaganda while they deny that advanced technology used on 9/11?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DEiIq9_9OY

OK, so would do all of us alleged gov't agents have to gain by promoting the moon landing was a hoax theory? The alien agenda would be pushed regardless of if aliens exist or not. Truth can be used as a weapon too.

Tim, weigh the cost benefit/ratio of further discourse. I'm already of the opinion that this site has either masons and/or jews on here. 1) To promote their bullshit, 2) to waste our fucking time arguing with them.

I respect what you do and the torrents you put up. I'm sure you've got better things to do than waste time further on this issue. Regards.

All right then.  Let's spin this puppy in different directions.

Scenario #1 -  Rockets launch, travel into outer space, journey to moon,  landing on moon, photos taken, flag planted, relaunch, travel back to earth, re-entry, splashdown.
--- Story seen on TV, in Life Magazine, repeated about a dozen times or so.  Pretty much as you heard about it as a child or watched it back in the day. It is all 100% real as it happened.

Scenario #2 -  Rockets launch, travel into outer space, journey to outer atmosphere,  no landing on moon, photos taken in a STUDIO, flag planted in a STUDIO, relaunch in a STUDIO, travel back to earth FROM ACTUAL OUTER SPACE, re-entry,splashdown. Etc.  
--- This is the type of story told by Kubrick and assumed by some researchers and many Russian physicists, etc. with experience in Space. Moon Rocks faked because of no-Touch Down. Astronauts did voice-overs, etc.  A lot of splicing and dicing to "sync" up the "Real" and "Unreal".  Used as Cold war propaganda around the world.  

Scenario #3 -  Rockets launch, travel into outer space WITHOUT HUMANS, NO LONG TERM journey into outer atmosphere,  no landing on moon, photos taken in a STUDIO, flag planted in a A FAKED GREEN SCREEN STUDIO, relaunch in A FAKED GREEN SCREEN STUDIO, travel back to earth FROM A FAKED GREEN SCREEN with STARS, re-entry FROM A FAKED GREEN SCREEN, splashdown (From a Helicopter?).... Etc.
--- Entire NASA program faked. Smells like Teen "Hufschidt" spirit propaganda...  Money basically dumped into making it "real"... basically no-space and a lot of Special Effects and Studio work. It's all a massive FAKE... like 9/11 calls on the cell phone.... A lot of FAKE voice overs and film shots.... models and that sort of thing.... Green screens and painted Planets... Scoped in or out Telescopic Lenses... etc.... Launch might be hard to fake but still all FAKE! Like the non-manned Rockets crash in the ocean...

Scenario #4 -  Rockets launch with help of "Alien Technology", travel into outer space and watched by "Aliens", journey into outer atmosphere with communication with "Aliens", landing on moon and saw evidence of "Aliens" or something like this, photos taken ancient civilizations, etc., could not have gotten to Moon without "Alien" Tech and Area 51, non-human UFO crap.... Anti-Gravity, Dark Mission types-- Richard Hoagland or Nazis working with Aliens --  Joseph Farrell, Project Camelot, Jim Marrs ... Basically everything you learned is B.S. and it is all Nazis' everywhere.... this version sells well with Coast to Coast story telling...  


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I actually hedge and sit on the fence with this one.  80% towards Scenario #1 and 20% towards Scenario #2 -- if more evidence comes out supporting #2 which invalidates #1 like the dangerous Van Allen Belt radiation-physics which itself is in doubt (http://www.wwheaton.com/waw/mad/mad19.html).... I will lean towards #2.  Naturally I believe in German (non-Jew) engineering being the deciding factor in getting everything "off the ground".

Inpho... excuse me, but you sound like an "Agent" if anybody does here...   -- CSR