Phishna: Christians are Jew Whores

[Panoptimist]

The only reason Christianity (really) exists is so the Jews can rule the western world unopposed.


On Sundays, Christians Worship the Jews as God

Long before organized religion, probably when hunter gatherers made the switch to farming sun worship began. No one knew what the big yellow disk in the sky really was, anyone could claim anything about the sun.  The sun made things grow, it warmed the skin.  At nightfall, then the sun went down, the air grew cold, predators came out and you couldn't see well, terror filled the soul when the sun went away.


Did farming led to sun worship?

Sometimes the sun would be blotted out by a thunderstorm; rain, wind, hail and lightning might frighten the primitive mind.  How easy would it be to personify the experience as an invisible angry sky god.  This is exactly what happened and we know that because culture after culture did sacrifice to appease the angry god(s).



Thus sun worship is a natural response to living in a world governed by the sun.  Eventually religion came along and personified the sun, the sun became a man then a god, or man god.  The Jews stole the idea and made the man-sun-god a Jewish son of god.  The Jews are really good at this, taking a great idea and perverting it so that they profit.

That's all Jesus is, a Jew man god substituted in the reigning myth of the day (Persian Mithraism).   He didn't exist and we that because no non Jew historian wrote about him even though it is claimed he drew huge crowds and did miracles.  And we know he didn't even have to exist because all the traits of Jesus are plagiarized from other myths circulating in Judea during that time period.


Often in Christian art, Jesus is depicted with a sun disk, Jesus (Jew) is the personified sun god that you accept as light or truth, the only problem is that Jewish writers are pathological liars defining darkness as truth.

Christians are the dumbed down, passive followers of Jewish personified sun god, Jesus.  In order to believe followers must abandon all thinking and sing praises to the needy father god who might send them to hell for all eternity if they don't follow his commands.  Yet Christians claim this god is loving that gave them free will.

There is no logic to religious reasoning.  Up is down, left is right, god loves you but threatens to torture you for all eternity if you don't comply.  Darkness defined as light.  Evil masquerading as good.  Not surprising once you understand who wrote the Bible.


Christian art depicting the sun disk as a halo on their god or saints.  Christians vehemently deny the the pagan origins of their faith, but it is right there in their art.

Christians are completely confused, making Jew lies their highest metaphysical truth.  Take for instance their favorite passage John 3:16:

John 3:16       For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Let's examine the metaphysics of this passage closely.  God creates the world but because it is all fucked up He has to fix it by killing his only son. The perfect god fixes his mistake by killing his own "beloved" son.  In the Bible, God loves to kill what is dearest to Him.  Nice god, eh?  Christians love to point out how awesome He is because of this psychotic trait.  And if you believe in this evil god one gets everlasting life.  John 3:17-18 further elaborates on this, a judging god who is all about condemning the world:
   
John 3:17       For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.   
John 3:18       He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Condemnation as a central religious theme is the hallmark of Jewish thinking.  Judaism is judgment codified. Fear of another is the cause of judgment, so we can clearly and correctly state that the Judaic-Christian death cult is a fear based memeplex. This is, of course, pure Jew insanity, the Jews have equated fear as love.  Love god but fear him.  Does that sound like something a real god would say or does it sound like Jews telling the gentile people love them but also fear them as god?  Can you see that means that Christians are worshiping the very real and very threatening Jewish fear based power structure?  The Jews are telling the non Jews that they can be safe from Jew predation so long as as they worship Jesus the Jew.

There is, of course, no judging god, no hell, no devil, or sin or eternal suffering.  Science has trumped these superstitions and no one need believe in 4,000 year old books as a way to define reality.  There is no need of salvation from an angry sky god, that is very bad myth.  Unfortunately that bad Jewish myth is alive and well and running the world today.  If one believes in this myth then they empower the evil Jewish power structure.  A person of integrity would never worship this evil god as the good but as the title of this blog states, Christians are Jew whores.  Christians, who believe in the Jewish written bad myth, are making Jews their god and worshiping evil as truth because their is no Jesus savior in reality, only Jews and their deceit.

Can you imagine living in a Jewish controlled theocratic state like Israel?  Bible madness made into law.  Rabbis indoctrinated in the discombobulated religious memes decide who you can date, marry, where you can live, or if you can even live.  Yet Christians adore Israel and can't wait to visit the so-called holy land.  Evangelical pastors are eager to take their flocks to see the places of the fictional Bible and their Jew hosts are eager to take their money and smile to their faith.  Welcome to Jerusalem and just remember we are Jews, superior to you Christian goy and we wrote your holy book!  Apparently Christians have low self esteem and don't mind being subservient to the self chosen ones.


Christian art:  Sun god Jesus depicted as the light in dark troubled waters, holding the lamb (Christian Church).  Who is making dark troubled waters in the world?  Jews.  Who is the savior to Christians?  A Jew.  Get it?  Want salvation to Jew caused evil then follow the Jew.  Christians will never understand that following Jesus is no way out of Jew mentality, it is only a plunge deeper into self annihilation.

Christianity is sun worship gone bad. The Jews pervert everything for their own pleasure and profit.  It is perfectly natural to worship the sun that brings light to the world and makes things grow.  The sun is the source of life, not some fictional Jew god.  Sunday should be retuned back to sun day.


Good Sun worship.


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By John Kaminski
http://johnkaminski.info/



Phishna's recent piece "Christians are Jew Whores"
<http://christians-are-jew-whores.blogspot.com/2010/11/on-sundays-christians-worship-jews-as.html>
split me right down the middle.

Everything he said was absolutely true — the passive beliefs of
Christians prevent them from properly perceiving and neutralizing
their secret Jewish overlords — yet it pained me to know all those
good people I love who, acting on their cherished beliefs, have
genuinely worked for a better world, and would definitely be hurt by
this, offended that the deepest wishes of their good hearts were
ridiculed in such a contemptuous manner.

Phishna gets people to look at what they believe, and that's half the
battle. That people would rather turn away from logic and stick with
the familiar comfort of half-understood ancient legends has been
deliberately molded into a worldwide, chemically induced lethargy that
is a screen for all sorts of criminal activity. Throughout history,
religions have all been scams with an ulterior motive — a general
anesthesia of the populations of the world in the interests of order,
safety, and, above all, profit.

This is their rule in all cases: You will believe this or we will burn
you at the stake and take all your possessions (which is what it was
really about — and still is).

We're cattle in a pen, baby. If we keep believing all these same myths
that have taken us to this point in time, we're headed for the big
hammer in the slaughterhouse (which seems to many to be our inevitable
future, anyway). How the hell did we wind up here? you are no doubt
tempted to ask. Well, I'll tell you.

When you build an entire history of a species on a lie, you should not
be surprised that it eventually collapses. Besides, all civilizations
die, no matter what they do. There is one truth. No organism lives
forever. But when that lie becomes the cornerstone of the foundation
of a civilization, that society, as events attest, will not be stable.

And this is where the lie resides. They took the finest, most sublime
experiences a human can have, wrapped it up in one basic mythology,
and then sold it to the biggest multinational corporation ever, which
has always specialized in mass murder for hire.

This need we have to, in spite of all the evidence, believe that we
live forever, or reincarnate time after time, has poisoned all human
endeavor since the dawn of the species, not so much from its original
purpose to alleviate fear, but, as Thomas Jefferson pointed out, from
the embellishments of priests who added so much objectionable material
to the original myths, which are among the most valuable stories
mankind has ever invented.

Fear of death is not only a legitimate fear, but in actuality is so
ubiquitous and overwhelming that we invented an entire civilization to
keep us from thinking about it, anything, but to speculate on that
time that we always know is coming and which, due to the awesome
sweetness of life, we dread.

The cultural anthropologist Ernest Becker theorized that if we do not
anesthetize this overarching fear, we cannot properly function,
because we are always worried. Then comes the sports, beer, sex,
drugs, whatever. We hide ourselves in our jobs, seldom sufficiently
appreciate all those special moments with our families and friends,
and hide our basic ontological terror beneath layers of hobbies,
studies, goals, projects and activities that lead us toward some goal
we really want that definitely will keep us from thinking about that
one great fear that civilization was founded upon to keep us from
thinking about that one great fear . . .

The tradeoff humans made when they created the twin escape-death
concepts of heaven and reincarnation was that they gave up being able
to think clearly about the concept of their own very temporal lives,
and consequently were unable to ask the key question in the
development of human civilization: "What does it mean that my life is
only a certain length, and that after that, I will never be heard from
again?"

The answers to that question are far different from the question
humans have typically asked: "What do I have to do to get into
heaven?" which has produced this grotesque parade of graven images and
witless ceremonies over time. Sucking up to God is what I call it,
totally worthless when compared to feeding a homeless person.

In a show of supreme evasion and cowardice, humanity chose to lapse
into fantasy, invent gods that are by definition projections of the
human mind, and pretend that we never die, but are instead either
transported into the Seven Heavens of Enoch or the Bardo to grapple
with the Peaceful and Wrathful Deities before we return to this life
to try and improve our performance.

Neither of those choices ever achieved the common sense necessary to
create a world without crime, all because we were never able to
overcome our fear of death, and kept telling lies about it, each one
more extravagant than the next, until those lies manifested in the
real world, spread like a plague throughout every aspect of life, and
fatally poisoned the very people who invented them, because they kept
killing each other, thinking that by doing so they were killing their
own deaths. And all the while, as we do now, missing the most
important point of life.

Think about this for a minute. Think of all time spent carving idols,
building altars, temples, pyramids, cathedrals, symphonies, liturgies
and paeans of praise to the biggest Kahuna of them all — and for what?
Who was saved from starvation by this? What war was stopped by this?
Not a one. Not a one.

Then think about how many people you know, especially young ones, who
are totally intent on "getting over" on people to prove their worth in
the world. How mature do you have to be to realize that making people
feel good in some significant way gives much greater kicks than
penalizing them for a stupidity that we all share?

Even today, not one of you reading this can imagine that you are not
here, that you have no input in anything, and that no one is ever
going to call you on the telephone again. This image is way too
jarring to be considered for very long. That's why we have all the
anesthesia you would ever need, from every nook and cranny of history
and every projected corner of a future universe.

But we have never truly admitted that all our planning has been based
on a lie, a fantasy of supernatural stupefaction, and as a consequence
the world is a predatorial shambles, where you're expected to find
someone to love in a world where they teach you there is no one to
trust.

The No. 1 human occupation, across time and down through history, is
hoodwinking other people. As much damage as we've done to the other
animal populations of the world, it's nothing compared to the damage
we've done to ourselves. We've built a society based on harming
others, when the reality of our situation is that the real purpose of
life is to help others, because that's where we derive all the good
things that happen to us in this lifetime.

Yet the world is filled with the misery of people trying to
assassinate each other across time and space. And this is not just a
case of fighting for resources — except as the moneymen vie for
financial supremacy. This is more a case of wanting to defeat death by
killing others. If this system wasn't invented by priests, it surely
was expropriated by them, as they created system after supernatural
system defining the parameters of reality, and labeling the way the
world talked and thought.

Our present system is based on all these false suppositions. And as
you know, the bloody trail of robberies disguised as wars have always
been blessed by the preachers of eternal life.

So all of Phishna's observations should strike a resonant chord with
all you believers out there as he challenges you to troubleshoot what
it is you actually believe. What so few people understand is that it
takes a real believer to write like him and confront the issues that
he does.

I believe that if you believe in the afterlife you're more likely to
kill someone for a bogus reason, you can be more easily deceived
because you have voluntarily decided not to think empirically, and
that's always a bad idea — pollutes your data base big time.

On the other hand, as we surely know from every manufactured story we
are fed, those who don't believe have made this world a hell on Earth.

So which is it? Believers believing in a self-projected fantasy in
which they take the lie they have chosen and try to inflict it on
everybody else to at least prove to themselves it is correct? Or
nonbelievers who discard the finer and higher values of life and tie
everything to the bottom line, declaring "to hell with everyone else"?

Which group is responsible for the way the world is? Think it over.

I love talking to religious people. For one thing, you know almost
automatically that a religious person won't kill you on the spot,
because implicit in any meeting between two religious people is the
idea that they owe their very natures to the same boss, and
consequently are automatically working together. This is exactly how
religion finally became popular in the first place, after centuries of
brutal coercion. It's a great way to avert conflict, at least
initially. And simple fellowship is the best part of it.

I love talking to religious people because they paint their tableaux
right across the sky. They tell you what they believe, and how happy
it makes them. They all communicate a very detailed knowledge of what
is happening to the world, each version colored by the spiritual
tradition through which their empirical knowledge is filtered. But in
the process of evangelizing, they all evince a shaky uncertainty that
they must convince you of their rightness of their world view as if
their total mental health depended on it.

They're all talking about a spiritual verification of their existences
that allows no doubt that any other way could possibly be better, and
often they add how sorry they are for me that I don't share in their
rewarding certainty about how things really are.

How unfortunate for me, I nod sympathetically, that I would pass up
something so foolproof, so sensible, and so beneficial.  All I have to
do is utter the magic word, take the red pill, and all will be well,
they tell me.

At that point I like to ask: Where exactly IS heaven? Is it now, or is
it later? And perhaps more to the point, what do we do when we think
we've lost all hope of it?

The Chinese sages constantly pointed out that heaven was all around
us, and that all we really got throughout infinity were these images
of the things that were all around us all the time. But really
understand what it was we were seeing. That was the goal of life.

Yet heaven retains its most common meaning today as some repository of
bliss we get to go to if we're good in this life, which, looking at
any religion that has ever existed, has been the goal of all of them.
Existential anesthesia. Something to take away the worry that is
always lurking over our shoulder (the left one) that colorizes all our
human actions, even though we spend our lives pretending it doesn't.
Have you ever asked yourself why all these churches have been created,
or how much of civilization has been built on the mystical premise
that heaven was the place we wanted to be?

A place of safety, immune to misery, pain and heartache. At least,
this is how we explain it to our children when someone they know dies
before their eyes. Isn't that who the stories are for? They take eight
days in Tibet to escort the deceased into the afterworld. Who are
these rituals for? Does the soul of a corpse really need directions
from the living about what to do? Billions of folks think they do, and
who am I to argue with them? (But for myself I believe that all these
ceremonies are for the living, to convince themselves of something
they know isn't true.)

Heaven, then, as a concept, is the quintessence of life, something we
all strive for automatically, maximum reward, optimum conditions.

Despite this professed human attribute, why, then, don't we have it?
Why is all we see around us so reminiscent of a raging, vicious, out
of control hell on Earth, apparently perpetrated by evildoers whose
only goal in life is to plunder, collect, and burp?

We know what is wrong with the world. All crime derives from childhood
injury. It should be a simple matter to fix this problem, ridiculously
simple that could be effected in a matter of days. But instead we have
those who profit from this awful situation, and want to keep things
the way they are. Only you know which path you are on, and you may not
even know that.

My own attitude is to say let's dispense with all this disgustingly
pious rigamarole and just do the work, because it is the work that
determines the answers to all those questions we ask in our prayers.

But really, I only know two things.

The only thing you really get to keep in this life is what you give away.

And, delusional or not, the fact of the matter remains: Those who
don't believe in heaven have turned this world into a living hell.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

WTF? this is bullshit. Christianity is the opposite of Judaism

[GordZilla]

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You are thinking of Judeo Christians, God fearing one's have always been the Jews worst enemy. ALWAYS. Check your history, who of all the religions has provided more resistance to the Jew than Christians? Seriously now, no bullshit , who?

Byzantine empire, was probably the greatest resistance, but other countries and nations also have removed the Jew albeit temporally, where no one else has.

How about famous man who spoke against the Jews? Again go back in history, you'd be dishonest if you don't acknowledge the obvious trend.

How about Jesus Himself? Also NO ONE has ever, to this day had more insight into the Jew than Him. This is really bad planning by the Jew to make this guy up then spend the better part of the last 2000 years trying to discredit and dishonor Him. – Only in the last 200 years or so have they really got any traction. This about the same time they invented Judeo-Christianity. Christianity has always been the biggest thorn in their sides throughout history what fools they are to have created their biggest opposition themselves – idiots eh? The only bigger fools would be those who fail to see that what I said here is self evident. So fricken obvious that this man existed and was not their friend that it hurts, yet every so often we always get these posts as if so new insight was gained by reading new aged books backed primarily by Frankfurt school logic followers with a hate on for any sort of creator to undermined their own incredibly inflated egos.

 Have you honestly not noticed their utter hatred for this man? You know why they do? It's simple , Jesus exposes them in their true colors , long before anyone else had , and more aptly then anyone has to date.

What we are up against today is so obviously a very real battle between good and evil, these concepts are real but not natural. These concepts  are supernatural, it's a CREATED dynamic, in a sense Jews are testament to true, and I stress 'true' Christianity
You can go on giving up trying to understand God's word, that's fine but it really isn't that complex. It may not make sense to you but it isn't a book of lies. I could go through your post piece by piece and counter where I can but it's frankly not going to change anyone's opinion one why or another.

I can say statements like 'black is white' 'wrong is right' etc , these opposites you claim are found in the bible, well I can tell you flatly they are not. That is how you read it, for instance your 'point' about God being , I guess 'evil' cause He kills the ones He loves dearest. That one is too easy. Have you every heard the saying 'only the good die young"? Could it be that maybe the other parts of God's domain are also true? Like the afterlife bit ? The heaven bit? If those concepts are true than could it be that maybe God chooses to take the good, the innocent and the dearest there early? To be with Him, as He loves them? Could it be that the rest of us smocks are 'left behind', so to speak, so that we may have more time to try to live righteously? In short; 'killing' to God may not be what we perceive it to be necessarily. To us it may seem  'evil'. To Him, it's only removing the spirit from the mortal coil . To bring them home.

As for the God's way or the highway bit, this jealous and all powerful God is much better – (ALWAYS)- than a human equivalent, especially one who fears no God nor repercussion. Besides, the laws laid out by God are also good laws  to live by, even if you don't believe in Him, whereas, again, the laws laid out by man are almost always bad for us in the end, even with the good intentions they may have once came with. God is the great equalizer of all man, the great humility generator amongst man, He keeps your ego in check, He keeps the guilt in your heart when you do wrong (with or without a belief  in Him-  it's still there), He is also there to bless you when you do right. Help people in everyday life, the more you help your neighbor the better you feel, what is that all about anyways, evolution?  


It still pains me to death to see so many that have gotten to this point yet still can't see the blatant evidence that this whole damn thing contains proving the truth of Jesus' words. He nailed it ! We're only now trying to figure them out and He did it 2000 years ago and better than us. Then over those years Jews did all they could to piss on Jesus (literally and figuratively ) yet they created this 'fictional' man? And Jesus has nothing of value to add to our common cause? Really?


I've seen this similar thread here so many times, and I always point this out; I , and probably others here , would have no problem with it IF you drew the distinction between Judeo-Christians and real God fearing ones. The difference is huge, the Judeo-Christians (the majority unfortunately) are the ones co-opted by Jews and led to believe things about Jesus that were never true (weird how they'd have to 'co-opt' a religion they supposedly created in the first place). The opposite Christians (the minority unfortunately) the God-fearing real ones,  like some here , are those who understand exactly what Jesus meant and who He was talking to when He said;

"Why do you not understand what I say? It is because YOU CANNOT BEAR to hear my word. You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. But, because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. Which of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? He who is of God hears the words of God; the reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God." John 8:43-47

(Judeo-Christians avoid biblical quotes like these –like the plague-hell most just rely on their false prophet preachers to tell them what to think)

You come to understand these 'people' did not evolve this way, it's not about their upbringing either. THESE "people" are different like night and day to us  -it's about their  seed. When you understand this then your understanding of our shared enemy increases tenfold. This is why in every other social movement known to man their numbers are staggering and they are almost always the lead  spokesmen for those movements. You name it and they are predominate in it. That is all movements but the very one about the real truth – ours. We have maybe five to ten , of what we consider to be 'good Jews' within our movement from across the world And that's generous as we have seen in the past even the 'heroes' of truth are likely to fall. We almost inevitably find out, that these Jewish 'heroes' within our ranks were, as well, playing some angle to yet further deceive and destroy our mission.  Literally a handful of 'good Jews'., The most outspoken people collectively in any other movement on earth, but here? Why is this important to note? For me it's because this illustrates how this behavior cannot be honestly explained away with theories like evolution, and since many of them grow up in the same environments as we do this rules out indoctrination as well. They  are 180 degrees different than ourselves, we press for and feel the need for Truth, they thrive in lies. Our movement is the epitome of all the things they hate most. One word; truth.


From that passage above and many like it you can clearly see the bible had some insight into this 'being'. It seems to describe perfectly what we are dealing with. They are, quite literally, the children of the king of all lies.  If you try to understand them in any other light you will first be deceived then you will fail.


That's from 2000 years ago, and I defy anyone to state it better. That's who they are. That's also why they hate Jesus first and foremost. Followers of Jesus are a close second (real followers not Judeo Christians who believe the Jews had nothing to do with His crucifixion -- there used to be much,  much,  more of these types of Christians in Father Coughlin's time  -for example) And finally real truth seekers are third in their priority of hate. The have all but destroyed the followers of Christ and replaced them  with  followers of Haggie, or secular, agnostic or atheist people.
You only do the Jews a service when you write a post like yours, that's the bottom line.

See this video it sums it up well;

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=13322

Or just watch TV anytime, within an hour you will see slander against the church or Jesus or Christians, that message has always has been there in their media , just only now it's starting to bear its fruit.

[Panoptimist]

Disclaimer: I authored none of this. I posted this to receive educated reactions from you guys who are more knowledgeable, to help me shape my conception of this.

[GordZilla]

Disclaimer: I authored none of this. I posted this to receive educated reactions from you guys who are more knowledgeable, to help me shape my conception of this.

Noted. You can forward my response to them then  :lol:

Cause it ain't changing. And these fellows sound like members of Zeitgeist.com.    

"the passive beliefs of Christians prevent them from properly perceiving and neutralizing
their secret Jewish overlords"

Come'on John really? Up to 100 years ago its virtually only been Christians who have ever woke to the Jew. Our book is the only one that explains their true nature. So ah, just what the fuck you selling there Johnny? Name me another group that's done more to thwart the Jew over history than the Christians... roll cricket sounds for Johnny. Wonder if that last name is Polish or ?

[Panoptimist]

The first thing anyone who has done even the most basic research should do is address the reality of the fact that philosophy and the scientific method are part of Jewish subversion. Look, if someone wants to argue for atheism, that is fine, in my opinion, but the problem with that from the onset is that it is a concept that is the product of centuries of brainwash. These people who claim "religion is opiate for the masses" are speaking of Judaized religion. More than likely you will find after talking with 30 seconds with someone in this arena who claims to be above religion that they have not done their homework and don't truly understand the problem for what it is.

And that is the point in the first place. People who do not study religious texts and religious history will never know the truth and extent of the subversion.

The first thing any idiot must concede is that the history of ALL of civilization rests in religion, Chistianity in Western. But because Christianity has been phased out (and all the various movements for the past couple of thousand years were all bastardizations of Christianity it seems) we cannot grasp the concept of faith, morality, etc. It's been killed in us.

That Orthodox Nationalist show in my sig does a great job of explaining important parts of it.

[Christopher Marlowe]

:clap: Gordzilla.

I was going to respond to that post, but was put off by the length of it, and having to read through phishna's tripe. Every time I read something phishna wrote, I feel like I could be doing something more important, like pounding sand.  

Then I thought I might respond to Kaminski's lazy use of the false dichotomy; i.e. that a religious person can either waste a lot of time praying to idols, or do something very useful like feeding a homeless person.  Kaminsky does say that a belief in the afterlife serves a purpose, but that just adds to the confusion of the article, which really didn't need any help towards that end.  At the heart of it, Kaminsky's first mistake was to read phishna. That is always a bad move.  

But then I got to the bottom of Kaminsky's article, and  :clap: brother Gordzilla had beaten me to it.  Awesome.

Yeah, Zeitgeist sums up that whole school of thought very well.  Zeitgeist: Alex Jones for atheists!  And of course, we know the producer of that video was quoted as backing away from 9/11 Truth.  (9/11 is a good litmus test. That was also my first clue into wikifakes: when Assange said he was tired of people wasting their time looking into 9/11.)  

Whenever I hear Kaminsky speaking on DBS, he sounds really depressed.  I think that is the natural result of seeing what is really going on, while not having any faith in God.

[Panoptimist]

Whenever I hear Kaminsky speaking on DBS, he sounds really depressed.  I think that is the natural result of seeing what is really going on, while not having any faith in God.

I think you may have hit the nail on the head, at least as I have come to understand it at this point.

Here's a response I wrote to John:

I liked some of the stuff you had to say in your earlier piece on
religion. It certainly is true that religion serves a part in universal
conscious complacency. But it's not that simple.

I did not grow up in a religious family. I grew up in the woods. My
parents fought on opposite sides of the system, usually against each
other. I never studied religion or thought much of it except "religion
is brainwash, especially Christianity" (in retrospect I had this feeling
specifically toward religion - Christianity - because of Jewish
subversion. Notice how no American kids will associate Judaism as a
contentious religion. It's just not taught). I do not claim any
religious affiliation now.

My career in "the truth movement" began when I was about three years
old. However it never really extended beyond the realm of home until I
turned 18. I was active in the "Young Americans for Liberty" group as a
college freshman and sophomore. I spent my first (and only) vote on Ron
"The Mason" Paul in the '08 elections. I watched "Zeitgeist" and all of
that bullshit. But it wasn't bullshit at the time. I started reading all
of it. Listening to that obnoxious asshole Alex Jones, reading about
chemically modified food, life, etc. and changed my diet. Then I began
to figure out what he was about. When I heard about the Jewish
conspiracy, I began to research it. Anyone with half a brain can put and
2 + 2 together when they learn of such things as "dual citizens" and the
overwhelming Jewish majority in all aspects of American life.

SO what is THIS all about I began to ask myself. Being in the belly of
the beast, I couldn't help but be reminded of it all the time. Then I
hit the library stacks. I hit Amazon.com and ordered copies of rare
history books on the subject. I went to lesser-known libraries and found
decade-old (original - rare collections) books from master masons on the
Jewish roots and history of masonry. But where does religion come in?

Well, it turns out, Christianity has been fighting Judaism since its
inception. In fact, the two are mortal enemies. There's no way around
this. The specific goal of Judaism is the subversion of civilization
based on Christianity. Shit, not even preachers talk about Martin
Luther's "On The Jews and Their Lies." Who was behind the Antimasonry
party? Christians?

But wait, aren't Christians just brainwashed Zombies like the Jews?
Nope, it's not that simple. And based on my short time of research, it
seems that most of Christianity HAS been subverted by Jews. Shit, what
is ORIGINAL Christianity? We've lost the concepts of spirit, faith,
devotion, etc. Have you been to the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New
York? Have you looked, for example, at all of the sets of armor and
swords and old guns and thought about the type of men who woke up at
sunrise every morning after sleeping on dirt and lugged around 300 pound
suits of armor in the name religion and nation? Fuuuuuuuck, that's a
thought. I can imagine that every civilization of old would be
displeased with the result of their hard word and effort. And it wasn't
done by believing in nothing.

Philosophy and science are two Jewish conceptions, part of the
subversion of the "old world," designed to demolish religious-based
concepts such as faith, nuclear families, homogeneity, etc. One people
become dissociated from God and themselves, they become little objects
for the scientific manipulators to place strategically anywhere in their
little scheme. We're quick to say "that's exactly what the Monarchs did"
without thinking of the actual extent of the situation we're in now that
we've lost the most passionate concepts man has known.

The point of all this is to say that by dismissing the Christian
doctrine, one actually dismisses the heart of the resistance against the
subversion of the world. Christianity has been subverted, sure, but that
happened long ago. We need to retrace our historical steps before we
condemn religion as mind control. And if it is nothing but mind control,
I would argue that there can be no system of civilization that isn't
based on some form of mind control, whether it takes the form of "God"
or of Target Shopping centers.

The greatest scholars on the problem were Christians. And there were
actually several times in history where we see civilizations that
flourish in a hierarchical system based on Christianity. As Nesta
Webster points out, the reason why the mason is inherently in conflict
is that you cannot reconcile total liberty and total equality. It is
impossible. No matter your system.

Judaism is not based on nothing. The roots of this problem lie in
religion. This cannot be denied. The reason why religion is not taught
is so that people will not grasp the reality of this situation. I think
we should be quick to reevaluate the history of religion before we
completely condemn it.

We have to remember, our concepts of science and atheism were given us
by Jews. This cannot be avoided or denied. We must first settle the
whole of this issue before we will see change. Religion is the crux of
this entire problem, only Christianity may not be the problem many say
it is - it may be closer to the "truth" than we'd imagined.

I don't believe that the God of the bible necessarily even MEANT for the
situation to be such that man existed in hierarchy. In fact, it wasn't
until man fell that he lived in Hierarchy. In times before the only king
of man was God. Let's get back to that maybe? Can it not be done?
Sometimes religious texts appear to be more than mere fancy, especially
when they seem to foreshadow major events.

If we ignore Christianity, we ignore some of the best scholars in this
field. We ignore the truth of the extent of this problem. It cannot be
explained in any other terms than those of religious. I'm all for moving
past systems of society based on religious control, but look back in
history - what were major components of the strongest nations? What is
wrong with nations? With homogeneous groups of people that do their own
thing? This is not a problem until one group spreads like a cancer
amongst them all, subverting them by secret and underhand moves.

The Talmud teaches lying, cheating, stealing. The Christian doctrine
does no such thing. Christian and Islamic religions both deny usury. Not
all Christians are zombies or Zionists. Only the Judaized ones. While
that may be most, pure Christianity was the contrast to Judaism - not a
Talmudic story designed by Jews to deceive the dumb goyim. That's
absolutely mentally retarded. Anyone who takes the time to dig a little
will find out that not all Christianity is really Christianity. Thoreau
was a faggot. He was an Illuminati member. This New Age, New Thought
nonsense is Judaic in origin. Each of us is a unique instantiation of
the universal god or energy? I mean, the proof is in the books that all
of those thoughts are derivative of Talmudic subversion. In fact, it was
a major move in the early 20th century to push "The Master Key System"
and self-help systems as an indoctrinating system. Kill Christ was the
goal. I'm not religious. This is fact. Which makes me respect the
situation a bit more. Just a thought.

Best,

Here's the response I received:

I have a very similar history, PO, and have reached many of the same
conclusions. Still, a good part of Christianity is false, and we need
to get rid of that part.

Again, I just don't think it is that simple. We can't reach the 9th step with out taking the other 8.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

PanOptimist... take care to weigh things in the balance... in this battle.  I agree with Gord above. There has been successful resistance and at this stage in time, I can only hope it grows.  If there is anything that should ever unite Christians and Muslims, and possibly some Torah Jewish sects, it would be their overall opposition to Talmudic Jewry's inter-generational attacks in the modern world. They attack the simple belief in God, and replace it with "Gold" and "Silver" and "Price".

Re-read the New Testament, particularly the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, with Acts and the Romans as well.
While I find much of Kaminsky's work insightful, he is an Atheist overall AFAIK ... and I haven't found much in "Science" or Archaeology yet, especially recently, that discounts a Universal Creator in any manner whatsoever. We are all here because God intended us to be here. The Sanhedrin never believed in a Loving God and never will.

Without belief in a Loving  God, it is easy to become a Judas Iscariot... is it not?

The Sanhedrin

The Sanhedrin (Hebrew: סַנְהֶדְרִין‎; Greek: συνέδριον,[1] synedrion, "sitting together," hence "assembly" or "council") was an assembly of twenty-three judges appointed in every city in the Biblical Land of Israel.[2]

The Great Sanhedrin was the supreme court of ancient Israel made of 71 members. The Great Sanhedrin was made up of a Chief/Prince/Leader called Nasi (at some times this position may have been held by the Kohen Gadol or the High Priest), a vice chief justice (Av Beit Din), and sixty-nine general members.[3] In the Second Temple period, the Great Sanhedrin met in the Hall of Hewn Stones in the Temple in Jerusalem. The court convened every day except festivals and Shabbat. In the late 3rd century, to avoid persecution, its authoritative decisions were issued under the name of Beth HaMidrash.

The last binding decision of the Sanhedrin was in 358, when the Hebrew Calendar was adopted. The Sanhedrin was dissolved after continued persecution by the Roman Empire. Over the centuries, there have been attempts to revive the institution, such as the Grand Sanhedrin convened by Napoleon Bonaparte.

Origins and etymology

The term Sanhedrin is Greek and dates from the Hellenistic period, but the concept is one that goes back to the Bible. In the Torah, God commands Moses to "Assemble for Me ["Espah-Li"] seventy men of the elders of Israel, whom you know to be the people's elders and officers, and you shall take them to the Tent of Meeting, and they shall stand there with you." (Numbers 11:16)

Further, God commanded Moses to lay hands on Joshua son of Nun.[4] It is from this point, classical Rabbinic tradition holds, the Sanhedrin began: with seventy elders, headed by Moses, for a total of seventy-one. As individuals within the Sanhedrin died, or otherwise became unfit for service, new members underwent ordination, or Semicha.[5] These ordinations continued, in an unbroken line: from Moses to Joshua, the Israelite elders, the prophets (including Ezra, Nehemiah) on to all the sages of the Sanhedrin. It was in the year 191 BC that the sanhedrin was established. It was not until sometime after the destruction of the Second Temple the Sanhedrin dissolved.

Jewish tradition proposes non-Greek derivations of the term Sanhedrin. P'siqta D'Rav Kahana (chapter 25) teaches that the first letter of the word, sin, referring to the Torah that was received at Mount Sin-ai, was combined with the second part of the word, hadrin, meaning, "glorification," to express the Great Court's role, the glorification of God's Torah through its application. Rabbi Ovadia Bartenura suggests an alternative meaning, also taking the term as a combination of two words to mean "son'im hadarath pan'im b'din," "foes (opposing litigants) give respect and honor to its judgment."[6] Other commentators confirm his interpretation, suggesting further that the first letter was changed from "sin" to "samekh," at a later date.[7]

Early Sanhedrin

The Hasmonean court in the Land of Israel, presided over by Alexander Jannaeus, king of Judea until 76 BC, followed by his wife, Salome Alexandra in 76 or 75 BC, bore all the trappings of Hellenistic royalty: ministers, courtiers, a bureaucracy and bodyguards. The former Council of Elders was renamed Synhedrion or Sanhedrin.[8] The exact nature of this early Sanhedrin is not clear. It may have been a body of sages and/or priests, or a political, legislative and judicial institution. Only after the destruction of the Second Temple was the Sanhedrin made up only of sages.[9]

Great and Lesser Sanhedrin

The Talmud (tractate Sanhedrin) identifies two classes of rabbinical courts called Sanhedrin, a Great Sanhedrin and a Lesser Sanhedrin. Each city could have its own lesser Sanhedrin of 23 judges, but there could be only one Great Sanhedrin of 71 (in where), which among other roles acted as a sort of Supreme Court, taking appeals from cases decided by lesser courts.

Function and procedures

The Sanhedrin as a body claimed powers that lesser Jewish courts did not have. As such, they were the only ones who could try the king, extend the boundaries of the Temple and Jerusalem, and were the ones to whom all questions of law were finally put.

Before 191 BC the High Priest acted as the ex officio head of the Sanhedrin, but in 191 BC, when the Sanhedrin lost confidence in the High Priest, the office of Nasi was created. After the time of Hillel the Elder (late 1st century BC and early 1st century AD), the Nasi was almost invariably a descendant of Hillel. The second highest-ranking member of the Sanhedrin was called the Av Beit Din, or "Head of the Court" (literally, Beit Din = "house of law"), who presided over the Sanhedrin when it sat as a criminal court.[10]

The Sanhedrin met in a building known as the Hall of Hewn Stones (Lishkat Ha-Gazith), which has been placed by the Talmud and many scholars as built into the north wall of the Temple Mount, half inside the sanctuary and half outside, with doors providing access both to the Temple and to the outside. The name presumably arises to distinguish it from the buildings in the Temple complex used for ritual purposes, which had to be constructed of stones unhewn by any iron implements.

In some cases, it was only necessary for a 23-member panel (functioning as a Lesser Sanhedrin) to convene. In general, the full panel of 71 judges was only convened on matters of national significance (e.g., a declaration of war) or in the event that the 23-member panel could not reach a conclusive verdict.[11]

Sanhedrin in Christianity

 In the Gospels

Main article: Sanhedrin Trial of Jesus

The Sanhedrin is mentioned frequently in the Gospels. According to the Gospels, the council conspired to have Jesus killed by paying one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, thirty pieces of silver in exchange for delivery of Jesus into their hands. When the Sanhedrin was unable to provide evidence that Jesus had committed a capital crime, the Gospels state that witnesses came forward and accused the Nazarene of blasphemy — a capital crime under Mosaic law. But, because the Sanhedrin was not of Roman authority, it could not condemn criminals to death, according to John 18:31. This did not prevent them from doing so at other times; Acts 6:12 records them ordering the stoning of Saint Stephen and also Jesus half-brother, James the Just according to Josephus' Antiquities of the Jews 20.9.1.

Circa 30, the Gospels continue, Jesus was brought before the Roman governor of Iudaea Province, Pontius Pilate, for decision. The Christian account says that Pilate disagreed with the Sanhedrin's decision, and found no fault — but that the crowd demanded crucifixion. Pilate, it is speculated, gave in because he was concerned about his career and about revolt — and conveyed the death sentence of crucifixion on Jesus. For more information on this subject, see Jesus' Roman Trial.

The New Testament also speaks of specific members of the Sanhedrin who were sympathetic towards Jesus, if not his followers. Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea are two such men that are named in the Gospels. They both played a role in the burial of Jesus, according to John 19:38-42.

The Christian accounts of the Sanhedrin, and the role the council played in the crucifixion of Jesus, is frequently cited as a cause of Christian anti-Semitism, and is thus normally considered a sensitive topic.

A Sanhedrin also appears in Acts 4–7 and 22:30–23:24, perhaps the one led by Gamaliel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanhedrin

[Wimpy]

Whenever I hear Kaminsky speaking on DBS, he sounds really depressed.  I think that is the natural result of seeing what is really going on, while not having any faith in God.

I think you may have hit the nail on the head, at least as I have come to understand it at this point.

Here's a response I wrote to John:

I liked some of the stuff you had to say in your earlier piece on
religion. It certainly is true that religion serves a part in universal
conscious complacency. But it's not that simple.

I did not grow up in a religious family. I grew up in the woods. My
parents fought on opposite sides of the system, usually against each
other. I never studied religion or thought much of it except "religion
is brainwash, especially Christianity" (in retrospect I had this feeling
specifically toward religion - Christianity - because of Jewish
subversion. Notice how no American kids will associate Judaism as a
contentious religion. It's just not taught). I do not claim any
religious affiliation now.

My career in "the truth movement" began when I was about three years
old. However it never really extended beyond the realm of home until I
turned 18. I was active in the "Young Americans for Liberty" group as a
college freshman and sophomore. I spent my first (and only) vote on Ron
"The Mason" Paul in the '08 elections. I watched "Zeitgeist" and all of
that bullshit. But it wasn't bullshit at the time. I started reading all
of it. Listening to that obnoxious asshole Alex Jones, reading about
chemically modified food, life, etc. and changed my diet. Then I began
to figure out what he was about. When I heard about the Jewish
conspiracy, I began to research it. Anyone with half a brain can put and
2 + 2 together when they learn of such things as "dual citizens" and the
overwhelming Jewish majority in all aspects of American life.

SO what is THIS all about I began to ask myself. Being in the belly of
the beast, I couldn't help but be reminded of it all the time. Then I
hit the library stacks. I hit Amazon.com and ordered copies of rare
history books on the subject. I went to lesser-known libraries and found
decade-old (original - rare collections) books from master masons on the
Jewish roots and history of masonry. But where does religion come in?

Well, it turns out, Christianity has been fighting Judaism since its
inception. In fact, the two are mortal enemies. There's no way around
this. The specific goal of Judaism is the subversion of civilization
based on Christianity. Shit, not even preachers talk about Martin
Luther's "On The Jews and Their Lies." Who was behind the Antimasonry
party? Christians?

But wait, aren't Christians just brainwashed Zombies like the Jews?
Nope, it's not that simple. And based on my short time of research, it
seems that most of Christianity HAS been subverted by Jews. Shit, what
is ORIGINAL Christianity? We've lost the concepts of spirit, faith,
devotion, etc. Have you been to the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New
York? Have you looked, for example, at all of the sets of armor and
swords and old guns and thought about the type of men who woke up at
sunrise every morning after sleeping on dirt and lugged around 300 pound
suits of armor in the name religion and nation? Fuuuuuuuck, that's a
thought. I can imagine that every civilization of old would be
displeased with the result of their hard word and effort. And it wasn't
done by believing in nothing.

Philosophy and science are two Jewish conceptions, part of the
subversion of the "old world," designed to demolish religious-based
concepts such as faith, nuclear families, homogeneity, etc. One people
become dissociated from God and themselves, they become little objects
for the scientific manipulators to place strategically anywhere in their
little scheme. We're quick to say "that's exactly what the Monarchs did"
without thinking of the actual extent of the situation we're in now that
we've lost the most passionate concepts man has known.

The point of all this is to say that by dismissing the Christian
doctrine, one actually dismisses the heart of the resistance against the
subversion of the world. Christianity has been subverted, sure, but that
happened long ago. We need to retrace our historical steps before we
condemn religion as mind control. And if it is nothing but mind control,
I would argue that there can be no system of civilization that isn't
based on some form of mind control, whether it takes the form of "God"
or of Target Shopping centers.

The greatest scholars on the problem were Christians. And there were
actually several times in history where we see civilizations that
flourish in a hierarchical system based on Christianity. As Nesta
Webster points out, the reason why the mason is inherently in conflict
is that you cannot reconcile total liberty and total equality. It is
impossible. No matter your system.

Judaism is not based on nothing. The roots of this problem lie in
religion. This cannot be denied. The reason why religion is not taught
is so that people will not grasp the reality of this situation. I think
we should be quick to reevaluate the history of religion before we
completely condemn it.

We have to remember, our concepts of science and atheism were given us
by Jews. This cannot be avoided or denied. We must first settle the
whole of this issue before we will see change. Religion is the crux of
this entire problem, only Christianity may not be the problem many say
it is - it may be closer to the "truth" than we'd imagined.

I don't believe that the God of the bible necessarily even MEANT for the
situation to be such that man existed in hierarchy. In fact, it wasn't
until man fell that he lived in Hierarchy. In times before the only king
of man was God. Let's get back to that maybe? Can it not be done?
Sometimes religious texts appear to be more than mere fancy, especially
when they seem to foreshadow major events.

If we ignore Christianity, we ignore some of the best scholars in this
field. We ignore the truth of the extent of this problem. It cannot be
explained in any other terms than those of religious. I'm all for moving
past systems of society based on religious control, but look back in
history - what were major components of the strongest nations? What is
wrong with nations? With homogeneous groups of people that do their own
thing? This is not a problem until one group spreads like a cancer
amongst them all, subverting them by secret and underhand moves.

The Talmud teaches lying, cheating, stealing. The Christian doctrine
does no such thing. Christian and Islamic religions both deny usury. Not
all Christians are zombies or Zionists. Only the Judaized ones. While
that may be most, pure Christianity was the contrast to Judaism - not a
Talmudic story designed by Jews to deceive the dumb goyim. That's
absolutely mentally retarded. Anyone who takes the time to dig a little
will find out that not all Christianity is really Christianity. Thoreau
was a faggot. He was an Illuminati member. This New Age, New Thought
nonsense is Judaic in origin. Each of us is a unique instantiation of
the universal god or energy? I mean, the proof is in the books that all
of those thoughts are derivative of Talmudic subversion. In fact, it was
a major move in the early 20th century to push "The Master Key System"
and self-help systems as an indoctrinating system. Kill Christ was the
goal. I'm not religious. This is fact. Which makes me respect the
situation a bit more. Just a thought.

Best,

Here's the response I received:

I have a very similar history, PO, and have reached many of the same
conclusions. Still, a good part of Christianity is false, and we need
to get rid of that part.

Again, I just don't think it is that simple. We can't reach the 9th step with out taking the other 8.

Very well worded and thought out "PO"!

[Christopher Marlowe]

I agree with Wimpy, PO.  Good stuff.  Man, I wish I had not been so juvenile when I was a, uhm, young lad.  

After reading your letter, I couldn't help but think: Thoreau was a fag?  

But also I thought: good writing.  

I also read Kaminsky's punk-ass response.  

I have a very similar history, PO, and have reached many of the same
conclusions. Still, a good part of Christianity is false, and we need
to get rid of that part.

Kaminsky grew up in the woods?  I always thought he was from a wealthy background.  
I could see him saying: "Mummy!  Sissy says she won't let me ride thunderbolt because I broke her tea set."  
But I could be wrong.  

Also, I wonder what Kaminsky is talking about when he says that

a good part of Christianity is false

Wouldn't that be a BAD part of Christianity?  And what part exactly?  The zionist/Christian part?  

And I do agree with CSR, everyone should re-read the New Testament, especially the Gospels, Acts, the letter of Paul, Peter, James, John, and Jude.  
And Revelation.

[Panoptimist]

CSR- Finding the balance continues to be my top priority.

Wimpy - Thanks for the kind words! The writing, in my opinion, is actually quite horrible and disorganized - erratic, sporadic - like a mental fart. But I had to get it out. Basically it's that or explosion.

Peace.

P.S. Are there any decent Old/New Testament readers? Thanks. I'm going to read the bible this winter.

[Panoptimist]

CM - Thanks for your encouragement as well. I still need to thoroughly read your response in my letter to a professor thread. I appreciate your insight.

My only hangup with all of this is conflicting beliefs about what is commonly known as "the law of attraction." But I actually think that GOD's love IS that law.  LOVE is pure positivity. I have recently had to relearn what love is, however I still cannot act it. Love is not worry. Love is not jealousy. Love is absence of dark, negative, etc. Raphael (via God) himself said that we would have ascended if we had not fallen. Honestly, I'd like to know what some of you guys have to say about this book: http://www.scribd.com/doc/439863/The-Po ... eph-Murphy

The "law" movement is associated with a masonic drive to encourage the death of christ - in this light, the guy above destroys christ by turning each human into christ (god). But I have to  believe that I have more control than some of the (suberted?) chruches preach? God's necessary conditions were free choice and right reason. A lot of these new thought new age people were open satanists. but some aspect of it must be true, and must be hidden in the most esoteric christian writings.

either way, none of us has any experience of purer concepts of atheism, polytheism, etc. what ALL Of us know about ANY of it is from the Jews. and they created most of it anyway. including philosophy. this fact is DOCUMENTED. anyone who has researched, and wants to bypass religion, must addressthese questions in full.

[pas]

Panoptimist: Absolutely great letter to J.K.
I'm not religous at all, just try to be a 'descent' guy.Interesting subject.i'm looking forward to your posts.

And, for the record, i don't agree with the title of the Phishna-piece but i do agree with most of it content.

[GordZilla]

.......And I do agree with CSR, everyone should re-read the New Testament, especially the Gospels, Acts, the letter of Paul, Peter, James, John, and Jude.  
And Revelation.

Funny you mention that, I too was thinking about my younger days when I thought God was the equivalent of Santa Clause, stupid know-it-all teen and later; young man that I was. I read the bible back then, or at least tried, and found it very confusing and hard to follow, let alone make any sense of. But now, if you take Christopher's and CSR's advice, you will find it reads like a suspense novel, cause it reads a whole lot differently when you become Jew wise.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

CM - Thanks for your encouragement as well. I still need to thoroughly read your response in my letter to a professor thread. I appreciate your insight.

My only hangup with all of this is conflicting beliefs about what is commonly known as "the law of attraction." But I actually think that GOD's love IS that law.  LOVE is pure positivity..

What conflicting beliefs regarding the law of attraction?

[Panoptimist]

The true "law of attraction", if practised right, is in reality God's law of "Love." But are all thoughts along this line unorthodox and heretic?

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

The true "law of attraction", if practised right, is in reality God's law of "Love." But are all thoughts along this line unorthodox and heretic?

How do you define the law of attraction both in its correct and incorrect forms?

[Panoptimist]

If one looks a bit closer while reading a range of the LOA material - mostly a lot of the stuff from the turn of the 20th century - it is preached and practiced in such a way as to acquire material gain, not a close relationship with God in light of recognizing some inherent truth in the power of His love.

Though all of the LOA schools of thought preach a universal creator, it is almost a "scientized" one. It's not God, it's energy. Or it's energy, but we prefer to say "God."

My short research into Christian history suggests to me that any deviation from the Biblicist or Orthodox spirituality, faith, and ritual is essentially against the word of God. The LOA encourages people to become Gods on earth before it encourages people to respect god.


But as mentioned in that book, there are numerous biblical passages that suggest the law exists in Christian form, but that same power is also used by Satan. It is what is understood by the secret socities. Its general concepts have been purposefully introduced in spurts to society. It's not christian. But I think there may be a Christian form of it. Again, this is why accounts of man's relationship with god and earth BEFORE the fall are particularly interesting to me.

Basically, i think there may be a "light" version of "the LOA" because ALL is God's, but when the societies promote it they mean Lucifer and dark and pervert the law to gain material wealth. I do have problems accepting that I am by default a sinner and will only be saved by jesus in life or after death. Are Christians supposed to feel Guilty about forms of material wealth? It is a fa ct that even today, after the fall, we still pay farmers to throw food away. Food falls off trees in the wild every day and wastes and rots away. We have plenty. Satan is destroying it. Materialism is perverted, but is the law itself? How does it apply to god? Is it a satanic perversion of god's word?

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

My short research into Christian history suggests to me that any deviation from the Biblicist or Orthodox spirituality, faith, and ritual is essentially against the word of God. The LOA encourages people to become Gods on earth before it encourages people to respect god."

Indeed, that is the Jewish-gnostic (New Age) stuff creeping  into the Church and modern secular thought. Robert Schuller and Kenneth Copeland (Masonic TV evangelists) are big on that name-it-and-claim-it gospel. The power of positive thinking stuff. I agree with you that there is a "Christian form" of it, though it is little known. Read any Swedenborg? Heavenly Doctrines? He was considered a spiritist and speculated as being a Freemason, but his thoughts on Christianity are incredible, IMO.

Jesus could have said a lot more than He did, but said what was enough to simply save people. He was concerned with saving people, not so much enlightening us...that is to come later. But for some, they want more and in this lifetime. And some get it, according to the willingness of the Holy Ghost.

That is why many intelligent men get seduced from Christianity into the mystery schools. They don't get a sufficient quenching of knowledge through organized Christianity and with their less enlightened peers. Fortunately, after some time in the Masonic lodges, they realize that it is a dead end and leave it. This is probably what happened with Swedenborg, and what definitely happened with Mozart.

Not sure what you mean when you say materialism is perverted.

"Again, this is why accounts of man's relationship with god and earth BEFORE the fall are particularly interesting to me."

Which writings are these?

[jai_mann]

WTF? this is bullshit. Christianity is the opposite of Judaism

I could only read part of the way through the post as it's clear the writer of the text is either partially informed and gobbling up atheistic propaganda (written by those who desire a nihilistic population, which worships the State and authority figures), or is part of that propaganda.

It's hard to believe that such expressed concepts can be held. It's documented that the abolition of the "old" religions is a goal of the jews/masons. They want to install materialism in it's place. I don't follow religion and I have considered myself agnostic for the longest time, but at this point it's pretty fucking clear there's some sort of creator, but I can not define any thing about from whence every thing originated. And I'm certainly not buying into the whole big bang, big load of bullshit. It's promoted by jews and the sad thing is, this so called modern science, which is being claimed as having trumped christianity, is just cover for the jews to attack the shit out of it, with out confirming the things written in the bible about them. Let's not forget that the jews have been attacking the figure, Christ, for a long time. If he didn't exist, then why the fuck would his biggest enemies have not just said, "oh he doesn't exist" from the very beginning? Did they decide to just play along with what was written about him for the last several hundred/thousand years? Is it not possible that such an enemy would attempt to burn every thing written about this person, which might not have been hard considering there were no fast means of replicating text back in the day. Who's to say the only thing to survive was word of mouth and then eventually writings regarding him started to pop up that the jews couldn't destroy.

The further in time you move, from when you can reliably form accurate attitudes on a topic, the higher the probability that you can not empirically prove something, and the more circumstantial you're argument. I don't even want to get into all the problems with the attacks on christianity. The one thing I do know from professional training is that your society will reflect what it is taught, and right now, they are being taught a lot of useless shit, that most people are mediocre at implementing, however, they are very good at repeating basic things that they are brainwashed with. If I had a choice for a basis of morals I'd have to say christianity or islam is probably a good place to start. Most of the other belief systems are based in kabbalah, which is creating the fucking mess we see today.

When I think of close to ideal adherents of christianity I think of the amish and minnonites. I'm sure islam has similar groups.

[Christopher Marlowe]

CM - Thanks for your encouragement as well. I still need to thoroughly read your response in my letter to a professor thread. I appreciate your insight.

My only hangup with all of this is conflicting beliefs about what is commonly known as "the law of attraction." But I actually think that GOD's love IS that law.  LOVE is pure positivity. I have recently had to relearn what love is, however I still cannot act it. Love is not worry. Love is not jealousy. Love is absence of dark, negative, etc.

One interesting point to keep in mind is that in Greek, "love" is represented by three different words. There is so much confusion over the meaning of love, and I think this is one reason.  
   

Éros (ἔρως érōs[2]) is passionate love, with sensual desire and longing. The Modern Greek word "erotas" means "intimate love;" however, eros does not have to be sexual in nature. Eros can be interpreted as a love for someone whom you love more than the philia, love of friendship. It can also apply to dating relationships as well as marriage. Plato refined his own definition: Although eros is initially felt for a person, with contemplation it becomes an appreciation of the beauty within that person, or even becomes appreciation of beauty itself. Plato does not talk of physical attraction as a necessary part of love, hence the use of the word platonic to mean, "without physical attraction." Plato also said eros helps the soul recall knowledge of beauty, and contributes to an understanding of spiritual truth. Lovers and philosophers are all inspired to seek truth by eros. The most famous ancient work on the subject of eros is Plato's Symposium, which is a discussion among the students of Socrates on the nature of eros.

Philia (φιλία philía[3]) means friendship in modern Greek. It is a dispassionate virtuous love, a concept developed by Aristotle. It includes loyalty to friends, family, and community, and requires virtue, equality and familiarity. In ancient texts, philos denoted a general type of love, used for love between family, between friends, a desire or enjoyment of an activity, as well as between lovers.
(I didn't like the Wikipedia definition for Agape, so I substituted the is from http://realcatholic-ptl.blogspot.com/20 ... -love.html)
Agápe: is the greatest of all loves because it is God's love. We choose this love by the will. We choose this love by submitting our will to God's will. For when we choose God's will we allow God's love to flow through us. Agape is the explanation for creation for it is the reason for creation. This love is the essence of loving God and loving our neighbour. It is to love God without limit and loving our fellow man without exception. Agape is the love of God above all else and the love of neighbour for the love of God. Agape love is a choice not a feeling.

[(Actually, there is a 4th listed on Wikipedia, but I'm not familiar with "Storge".  I think that is the kind of love where you "love to keep cardboard boxes".)]

Agape is the word that St. Paul uses in the 1 Corinthians 13 passage on Love.  (Notice that here the English word used for Agape is "Charity" because they used the Latin word "caritas".  But you can substitute "Love" here and get the same meaning.)

[1] If I speak with the tongues of men, and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. [2] And if I should have prophecy and should know all mysteries, and all knowledge, and if I should have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. [3] And if I should distribute all my goods to feed the poor, and if I should deliver my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing. [4] Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; [5] Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;

[6] Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth with the truth; [7] Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. [8] Charity never falleth away: whether prophecies shall be made void, or tongues shall cease, or knowledge shall be destroyed. [9] For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. [10] But when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part shall be done away.

[11] When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child. But, when I became a man, I put away the things of a child. [12] We see now through a glass in a dark manner; but then face to face. Now I know in part; but then I shall know even as I am known. [13] And now there remain faith, hope, and charity, these three: but the greatest of these is charity.

Another famous passage in the Bible is the Gospel of John, where Jesus asks Peter, "Do you love me?"  In English, Jesus just seems to ask the same thing 3 times, but that is because of the translation:

Jesus: Simon...do you love (agape) me more than these?
Peter: Yes, Lord; you know that I love (phileo) you.
Jesus: Simon...do you...love (agape) me?
Peter: Yes, Lord, you know that I love (phileo) you.
Jesus: Simon...do you love (phileo) me?
Peter: [Grieved] "Lord...you know that I love (phileo) you."

Peter, as you may remember, had promised to fight for Jesus,  but later Peter denied that he even knew Him.
Now Jesus asks Peter: Do you love me with the highest love?  And Peter can't say that he does.  Peter is unwilling to claim his love is that great because he knows that he failed.  
Finally, Jesus asks if Peter loves him in the brotherly love sense, to which Peter responds in the affirmative.  And to me, that means that if we are willing to Love Jesus like a brother, he will take that.  And if we ask for it, Jesus will give us the power to Love Him more deeply still.  

Raphael (via God) himself said that we would have ascended if we had not fallen. Honestly, I'd like to know what some of you guys have to say about this book: http://www.scribd.com/doc/439863/The-Po ... eph-Murphy

The "law" movement is associated with a masonic drive to encourage the death of christ - in this light, the guy above destroys christ by turning each human into christ (god).

Huh?  Why would someone want to kill Christ?  Is that what a person does first before they open a bank?

I think we should try to "see" Christ in other people, and to be charitable to them. But that is because Christ commanded us to to so.  I can't "turn" anyone into anything. That is all beyond my control.  Only God is in control.  All of my power comes from God.

But I have to  believe that I have more control than some of the (suberted?) chruches preach? God's necessary conditions were free choice and right reason. A lot of these new thought new age people were open satanists. but some aspect of it must be true, and must be hidden in the most esoteric christian writings.

Control is an illusion. We are either letting God control our lives, or we are letting the evil one. We sin whenever we turn away from God.

While it is true that some churches may be subverted, this does not prevent God from acting in our lives.  This does not change the words of scripture. We always have the free choice to accept God, and we always have the reason to understand God's will. And God's divine will is displayed everywhere.  Here is a Song that was written by  St. Francis: (Based on Psalm 19 "The heavens shew forth the glory of God, and the firmament declareth the work of his hands.")

"Canticle of the Sun," also known as the Laudes Creaturarum ("Praise of the Creatures") by Saint Francis of Assisi
The heavens are telling the glory of God, and all creation is shouting for joy Come, dance in the forest, come, play in the field, and sing, sing to the glory of the Lord

Praise for the sun, the bringer of day, He carries the light of the Lord in his rays; The moon and the stars who light up the way Unto your throne

Praise for the wind that blows through the trees, the sea's mighty storms, the gentlest breeze; They blow where they will, they blow where they please To please the Lord

Praise for the rain that waters our fields, And blesses our crops so all the earth yields; From death unto life her myst'ry revealed Springs forth in joy

The heavens are telling the glory of God, and all creation is shouting for joy Come, dance in the forest, come, play in the field, and sing, sing to the glory of the Lord

Praise for the fire who gives us his light, The warmth of the sun to brighten our night; He dances with joy, his spirit so bright, He sings of you

St. Paul also says that all of God's creation displays his majesty, and so all should seek Him:

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and injustice of those men that detain the truth of God in injustice: [19] Because that which is known of God is manifest in them. For God hath manifested it unto them. [20] For the invisible things of him, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made; his eternal power also, and divinity: so that they are inexcusable.

[21] Because that, when they knew God, they have not glorified him as God, or given thanks; but became vain in their thoughts, and their foolish heart was darkened. [22] For professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. [23] And they changed the glory of the incorruptible God into the likeness of the image of a corruptible man, and of birds, and of fourfooted beasts, and of creeping things. [24] Wherefore God gave them up to the desires of their heart, unto uncleanness, to dishonour their own bodies among themselves. [25] Who changed the truth of God into a lie; and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Did you catch that? -->"the invisible things of him, from the creation of the world"
How's that for esoteric?  
I don't need to look at any books by people who don't believe that Christ was born of a Virgin; died on the Cross; and rose on the third day, Glorious and Immortal.  Everything I need comes from God.  The deepest wisdom, the most enduring faith, and the greatest joy.  

Christ is my spiritual litmus test.  Everything in the Bible is about Christ. Everything leads to Christ. What does God desire? That we believe in the One He sent.  

God's Book uses irony, poetic imagery, foreshadowing, and many other literary devices to show the beauty and cohesion in the story.  Extra books, like the gnostic gospels, are just trying to weave their own thinking into God's Holy Book.  They can be seen not to fit in because they have not been foreshadowed, or referenced by other books.  

For example we can see that Mary, the Mother of Jesus, has been foreshadowed by the Ark of the Covenant. The Ark housed the tablets of the Law, and in a similar fashion Mary held in her Womb the Word Made Flesh. The Bible uses passages that parallel each other to explain this image:

Exodus 40:
And when [Moses] had brought the ark into the tabernacle, he drew the veil before it to fulfill the commandment of the Lord. [20] And he set the table in the tabernacle of the testimony at the north side without the veil,
... After all things were perfected, [32] The cloud covered the tabernacle of the testimony, and the glory of the Lord filled it. [33] Neither could Moses go into the tabernacle of the covenant, the cloud covering all things and the majesty of the Lord shining, for the cloud had covered all.

Luke 1:
Behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name him Jesus.
32He will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, and the Lord God will give him the throne of David his father,
33and he will rule over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end."
34But Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, since I have no relations with a man?"
35And the angel said to her in reply, "The holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.

Also in the Old Testament, we see where David went to return the Ark after the Philistines had stolen it.

2 Samuel
Then David and all the people who were with him set out for Baala of Judah to bring up from there the ark of God, which bears the name of the LORD of hosts enthroned above the cherubim.
3The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab, guided the cart,
4with Ahio walking before it,
5while David and all the Israelites made merry before the LORD with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums and cymbals.
6When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God and steadied it, for the oxen were making it tip.
7But the LORD was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God.
8David was disturbed because the LORD had vented his anger on Uzzah. (The place has been called Perez-uzzah down to the present day.)
9David feared the LORD that day and said, "How can the ark of the LORD come to me?"
10So David would not have the ark of the LORD brought to him in the City of David, but diverted it to the house of Obed-edom the Gittite.
11The ark of the LORD remained in the house of Obed-edom the Gittite for three months, and the LORD blessed Obed-edom and his whole house.
12When it was reported to King David that the LORD had blessed the family of Obed-edom and all that belonged to him, David went to bring up the ark of God from the house of Obed-edom into the City of David amid festivities.
13As soon as the bearers of the ark of the LORD had advanced six steps, he sacrificed an ox and a fatling.
14Then David, girt with a linen apron, came dancing before the LORD with abandon,
15as he and all the Israelites were bringing up the ark of the LORD with shouts of joy and to the sound of the horn.

Luke 1:
During those days Mary set out and traveled to the hill country in haste to a town of Judah,
40where she entered the house of Zechariah and greeted Elizabeth.
41When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the infant leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth, filled with the holy Spirit,
42cried out in a loud voice and said, "Most blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb.
43And how does this happen to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
44For at the moment the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the infant in my womb leaped for joy.
...56Mary remained with her about three months and then returned to her home.

The Bible doesn't spend a lot of time talking about Mary, but of the few passages that speak of Her we can see these parallels to the Ark. The intent is inescapable. Even the infant leaping in Elizabeth's womb is foreshadowed by David dancing in a linen cloth.  

It might have appeared strange so some people at the time, to see King David, wearing only a linen apron, dancing around in public.  But we can see that David was inspired to do this because the passage needed to be created to foreshadow the Gospel.  And this shows intent and creates cohesion among the Books of the Bible.

either way, none of us has any experience of purer concepts of atheism, polytheism, etc. what ALL Of us know about ANY of it is from the Jews. and they created most of it anyway. including philosophy. this fact is DOCUMENTED. anyone who has researched, and wants to bypass religion, must addressthese questions in full.

I don't know what this means.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Gnosticism, Freemasonry, the New Age, Calvinism, pre-millenialism etc... all seem to come from Jewry

[Panoptimist]

Which writings are these?

I guess there aren't any, but in this case I am thinking of Milton's Paradise Lost in particular.

I don't know what this means.

Essentially, this:

The further in time you move, from when you can reliably form accurate attitudes on a topic, the higher the probability that you can not empirically prove something, and the more circumstantial you're argument.

Contemporary concepts of atheism, polytheism, new agism, whatever you want, come directly from the Jews. So does much of all religion (as is documented, they've infiltrated them all).  For this very reason, these idiots who claim that we must get rid of religion in the name of new age bullshit or scientific atheism doesn't even realize the fallacy in this - those concepts are Jewish. They are subverted concepts. People really need to read Nesta Webster. And listen to that TON show in my signature. I feel he does a really good job of explaining the problem. We're actually beyond atheism. Interesting points made. Check it out.

[Panoptimist]

From "Milton and the Jews" (Jewish Cambridge Press)

Long persecuted for being the descendants of Christ's killers and allegedly practicing demonic rituals such as murdering Christian boys during the Easter holiday in order to obtain blood for baking Passover matzos, Jews were finally exiled from England in 1290 during the reign of Edward I. As such, for late Medieval and Renaissance England Jews had largely become figments of the collective English imagination, where they figured chiefly as ciphers for all that was improper and un-Christian. As Shapiro has amply demonstrated, this strategy of negating Jews in order to strengthen Christian self-definition became even more vital during Shakespeare's lifetime, when the English Reformation--implemented spasmodically over the second half of the sixteenth century--greatly complicated what it meant to be a Christian. [Panop note: or did it make it THAT MUCH EASIER?]

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Which writings are these?

I guess there aren't any, but in this case I am thinking of Milton's Paradise Lost in particular.

I don't know what this means.

Essentially, this:

The further in time you move, from when you can reliably form accurate attitudes on a topic, the higher the probability that you can not empirically prove something, and the more circumstantial you're argument.

Contemporary concepts of atheism, polytheism, new agism, whatever you want, come directly from the Jews. So does much of all religion (as is documented, they've infiltrated them all).  For this very reason, these idiots who claim that we must get rid of religion in the name of new age bullshit or scientific atheism doesn't even realize the fallacy in this - those concepts are Jewish. They are subverted concepts. People really need to read Nesta Webster. And listen to that TON show in my signature. I feel he does a really good job of explaining the problem. We're actually beyond atheism. Interesting points made. Check it out.

Mr. James Keegstra, when facing the B'nai Brith in a court of law in Canada, actually got the Brither to admit on the stand that atheism is a Jewish created institution.

[abduLMaria]

WTF? this is bullshit. Christianity is the opposite of Judaism

Catholicism is run by the Jews.

so is the Lutheran church - to make sure nothing too significant is said about Martin Luther's book, "On the Jews and Their Lies".

and then there's American versions of Christianity, 99% of which teach that "if you want to go to Heaven, you have to support Israel".


admittedly, the 10 Commandments may be the opposite of Talmudic Judaism.  but American society is not run according to the 10 Commandments.  it is run according to the dictates of the Jews who run the banks, the media, the government - etc.

at this point, i would not be surprised if the Resurrection itself was a scam created by Jews as a tool to manipulate non-Jews.

[ada]

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wrong thread.

[mchawe]

The lighter side of it..........
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[pas]