Re: J-Tribe Perspective: The Lord of the Rings rooted in racism

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Answer the question.

Okay.  Here's the answer:

Debunking the Arguments of Christian Fundamentalists and Evangelists
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/Debunk ... ntents.htm

 8-)

Not man enough to answer in your own words?

[Yo Mama]

Not man enough to answer in your own words?

If someone were to tell me that the earth is flat, would it be necessary for me to argue against that using my own words?  The idea that the earth is flat is no less ridiculous than the things that you're arguing.

 :roll:

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Not man enough to answer in your own words?

If someone were to tell me that the earth is flat, would it be necessary for me to argue against that using my own words?  The idea that the earth is flat is no less ridiculous than the things that you're arguing.

 :roll:

When you grow a sack and respond in your own words, I'll continue this, OK?

[Yo Mama]

When you grow a sack and respond in your own words, I'll continue this, OK?

I'm not sure how someone can respond to a religious nut.  It's like talking to a mental patient.   :roll:

[o1OpTiMuS1o]

Jesus did not exist well i believe thats bullshit    This is worthy of listening to  :up:

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[Yo Mama]

   

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

When you grow a sack and respond in your own words, I'll continue this, OK?

I'm not sure how someone can respond to a religious nut.  It's like talking to a mental patient.   :roll:

[Yo Mama]

Atheists, agnostics most knowledgeable about religion, survey says
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/28 ... y-20100928

 :lol:

If you want to know about God, you might want to talk to an atheist.

Heresy? Perhaps. But a survey that measured Americans' knowledge of religion found that atheists and agnostics knew more, on average, than followers of most major faiths. In fact, the gaps in knowledge among some of the faithful may give new meaning to the term "blind faith."

A majority of Protestants, for instance, couldn't identify Martin Luther as the driving force behind the Protestant Reformation, according to the survey, released Tuesday by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life. Four in 10 Catholics misunderstood the meaning of their church's central ritual, incorrectly saying that the bread and wine used in Holy Communion are intended to merely symbolize the body and blood of Christ, not actually become them.

Atheists and agnostics — those who believe there is no God or who aren't sure — were more likely to answer the survey's questions correctly. Jews and Mormons ranked just below them in the survey's measurement of religious knowledge — so close as to be statistically tied.

So why would an atheist know more about religion than a Christian?

American atheists and agnostics tend to be people who grew up in a religious tradition and consciously gave it up, often after a great deal of reflection and study, said Alan Cooperman, associate director for research at the Pew Forum.

"These are people who thought a lot about religion," he said. "They're not indifferent. They care about it."

Atheists and agnostics also tend to be relatively well educated, and the survey found, not surprisingly, that the most knowledgeable people were also the best educated. However, it said that atheists and agnostics also outperformed believers who had a similar level of education.

The groups at the top of the U.S. Religious Knowledge Survey were followed, in order, by white evangelical Protestants, white Catholics, white mainline Protestants, people who were unaffiliated with any faith (but not atheist or agnostic), black Protestants and Latino Catholics.

Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists were included in the survey, but their numbers were too small to be broken out as statistically significant groups.

Stephen Prothero, a professor of religion at Boston University and author of "Religious Literacy: What Every American Needs to Know — And Doesn't," served as an advisor on the survey. "I think in general the survey confirms what I argued in the book, which is that we know almost nothing about our own religions and even less about the religions of other people," he said.

He said he found it significant that Mormons, who are not considered Christians by many fundamentalists, showed greater knowledge of the Bible than evangelical Christians.

The Rev. Adam Hamilton, a Methodist minister from Leawood, Kan., and the author of "When Christians Get it Wrong," said the survey's results may reflect a reluctance by many people to dig deeply into their own beliefs and especially into those of others.

"I think that what happens for many Christians is, they accept their particular faith, they accept it to be true and they stop examining it. Consequently, because it's already accepted to be true, they don't examine other people's faiths. ... That, I think, is not healthy for a person of any faith," he said.

The Pew survey was not without its bright spots for the devout. Eight in 10 people surveyed knew that Mother Teresa was Catholic. Seven in 10 knew that, according to the Bible, Moses led the exodus from Egypt and that Jesus was born in Bethlehem.

The question that elicited the most correct responses concerned whether public school teachers are allowed to lead their classes in prayer. Eighty-nine percent of the respondents correctly said no. However, 67% also said that such teachers are not permitted to read from the Bible as an example of literature, something the law clearly allows.

For comparison purposes, the survey also asked some questions about general knowledge, which yielded the scariest finding: 4% of Americans believe that Stephen King, not Herman Melville, wrote "Moby Dick."

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

LOL@LA TIMES


Riiiiiiight, Shlomo.

[Yo Mama]

LOL@LA TIMES

Riiiiiiight, Shlomo.

Wow, great argument you have there.

The sad thing is that Christians don't even have the decency to create their own god.  They just stole the Jews' ethnic tribal god Yahweh.  And what's worse, the Jewish ethnic tribal god Yahweh calls for the enslave and extermination of all non-Jews.  You have to be pretty crazy to worship a foreign ethnic tribal god that calls for your own enslavement and extermination.   :crazy:

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

LOL@LA TIMES

Riiiiiiight, Shlomo.

Wow, great argument you have there.

The sad thing is that Christians don't even have the decency to create their own god.  They just stole the Jews' ethnic tribal god Yahweh.  And what's worse, the Jewish ethnic tribal god Yahweh calls for the enslave and extermination of all non-Jews.  You have to be pretty crazy to worship a foreign ethnic tribal god that calls for your own enslavement and extermination.   :crazy:

"And from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood...." —Rev. 1:5

[ada]

No, atheism was not invented but fabricated by jews.
So its no wonder that most of the jews are atheists.
Their believe system is their cranky greed for domination money sex and destruction of order.
Their hostility and suspicion against any kind of Godly logos which could lead mankind to find their true destiny.
Same with jewish sabbathean,frankist movement allegedly denying all jewish traditions to infiltrate usurp society culture
of nations.Creating even dialectical controlled opposition between themselves for the purpose of a self fulfilled messianic figure.

Free thinking is not based only on your own thoughts but rather what you want to believe and what you have learned from books
and from established institutions. It depends how the deception grade took place in your life.
This life has been and will ever be only a place of transition for all.

Jews never invented Christianity. Rabbinical talmudic Judaism came after Christianity emerged.
It was the rebellious  answer against the gospel of Jesus Christ who slapped them right in their
supremacist face and drove them from their money laundering tables.
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So from the very beginning they tortured,killed and persecuted Christians.
Why? Because Jesus Christ has the Godly potential to free mankind from any system debt slavery
led by the jews till now.
http://www.archive.org/details/foxe_boo ... ibrivox001
http://www.archive.org/details/foxsmart ... 00londuoft

Christianity is no religion its a spiritual answer from above against
man made traditions,religion, guilt and slavery.It leads you away from your earthly boundary
which is a mental prison.
http://remnantradio.org/Archives/audio/ ... %20Lie.mp3

[Yo Mama]

Sorry, ada, but you're going to have to do a hell of a lot better than that.  Christian paytriotard nonsense just won't cut it this time.   :roll:

[Yo Mama]

TF is constantly pulling stuff out of his ass like that.  For example, last week he tried to claim that the word "Yahweh" isn't found in the oldest manuscripts of the Jewish Torah(Old Testament).

I'm not sure where he got this goofy conspiracy theory.  The oldest manuscripts of the Torah in existence are the Dead Sea scrolls.  The word "Yahweh" is contained in the Dead Sea scrolls over 2,000 times.

TF has no credibility.  

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

TF has no credibility.  

"TalmudTimmy" lost all credibility months ago, when he tried to argue the reality of the Jesus virgin birth/walk on water/rise from the dead quackery. Now he's just pooh-poohing around the forum about us in some vein attempt to make himself look better. He's like "Travis" now, everytime these two Pro-Jew activists show up here the only thing they talk about is you and me. :lol: We are always on their mind, 24/7, apparently. These two idiots must still be in awe of our logic. :think:

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

For example, last week he tried to claim that the word "Yahweh" isn't found in the oldest manuscripts of the Jewish Torah(Old Testament).

I'm not sure where he got this goofy conspiracy theory.  The oldest manuscripts of the Torah in existence are the Dead Sea scrolls.  The word "Yahweh" is contained in the Dead Sea scrolls over 2,000 times.

TF has no credibility.  

Wrong again. The Septuagint (LXX) is the oldest Old Testament manuscript and predates the Dead Sea Scrolls. Furthermore, the Dead Sea Scrolls are mere fragments, while the LXX is completely intact.

The Tetragrammaton is not mentioned in the LXX, thus I was correct.

Do your homework, Shlomo, before you embarrass yourself further.

[Yo Mama]

You're a liar.  There are no extant manuscripts of the Septuagint that date earlier than the Dead Sea scrolls.  The Dead Sea scrolls date to the 2nd century B.C.E. and are the oldest extant manuscripts of the Torah(Old Testament).


Yahweh's name in the Dead Sea Scrolls
http://www.eliyah.com/yhwhdss.html

This is a photo of Psalms 119:59-64 in the Dead Sea Scrolls which are a collection of Hebrew Scriptures that date back 2000 years. Note Yahweh's name in the ancient Hebrew script while the rest of the text is in a more modern Hebrew that was used at the time. Also note that each line begins with the Hebrew letter "Heth" which corresponds with it's part in the acrostical 119th psalm.



Yahweh's name is found in the Dead Sea Scrolls over 2200 times.

[Yo Mama]

Tetragrammaton Found in Earliest Copies of the Septuagint
http://www.eliyah.com/lxx.html

Below are 2 examples of where the Tetragrammaton has been found in ancient copies of the Septuagint. The Septuagint is a 3rd to 2nd Century BCE Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures. The below fragments are evidence that the Septuagint originally contained the name Yahweh.  

The first is an ancient fragment of the Septuagint dated between 50 BCE and 50 CE (AD). If this dating is correct, it would have been written near the time of Yahushua's ministry. The name of these fragments are "Nahal Hever Minor Prophets" because they are fragments of Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah and Zechariah found in the Nahal Hever cave, south of Qumran. The Tetragrammaton is indicated with the large black arrow.



Notice that the Tetragrammaton is written in the ancient Hebrew (Paleo-Hebrew) script. Here is another example of an ancient fragment of the Septuagint dating to the First Century CE (AD). This fragment contains parts Job 42:



There are other early fragments that also contain the sacred name in like manner. According to scholars, no copies of the Septuagint dated before the mid-2nd century CE/AD substitutes the Tetragrammaton (Yahweh's name) with "Kyrios" (the Greek word Lord).

[Yo Mama]

In fact, the truth is the exact opposite of what Timothy_Fitzpatrick has said.  The Jewish Torah started out referring to the Hebrew tribal god as "Yahweh", but gradually over time, the Jews stopped using this name and started referring to Yahweh as "Adonai", which means "my Lord"(some of the later manuscripts of the Septuagint translation use the Greek word "Kyrios," which means "lord").  The Jews did this because of some superstitious crap about being afraid to pronounce and vocalize the name of their bloodthirsty tribal god Yahweh.  In deference to this Jewish practice, the early Christians did the same thing.  And it is still going on to this day.  In almost all modern English translations of the Hebrew Old Testament, the word "Yahweh" is incorrectly translated as "the Lord"(Adonai) or "God", for no other reason than to not offend the Jews' stupid superstitious sensibilities!

So the historical facts directly contradict TF's homemade conspiracy theory.  Big surprise.   :lolno:

[Yo Mama]

Use of "Yahweh" in contemporary religion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh#Use ... y_religion

Modern Judaism
In Judaism, the Tetragrammaton is conventionally substituted by Adonai ("my Lord") when reading the text of the Bible. Based on this practice, the traditional translation of the Tetragrammaton in Christian Bibles is "the Lord".  When transcribing the Tetragrammaton, the vocalization Jehovah has been popular in particular in Protestantism from the time of the Reformation.

Roman Catholic church
Traditionally in both Latin and vernacular worship "Lord" was used, following the Greek New Testament and Septuagint. Although the rendering of the Tetragrammaton as "Yahweh" is found in the Old Testament of versions such as the Roman Catholic Jerusalem Bible, and New Jerusalem Bible (1985), the liturgical use of Yahweh in English-speaking worship was suspended by the Vatican in 2008.[159] The Vatican Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments direction that the word "Lord" be used instead of Yahweh in English-language worship, was based on the understanding that Jews at the time of Christ and also early Christians substituted other words rather than pronounce the name.[160]

Protestantism
Bible scholar and author Charles Ryrie, author of the Ryrie Study Bible,[161] says the name "Yahweh" appears 6,823 times in the Old Testament, and also many times in the New Testament when it directly quotes or paraphrases passages from the Old Testament containing God's name.  He writes that the name "Yahweh" is particularly associated with God's holiness,[Lev 11:44,45] his hatred of sin [Gen 6:3-7] and his provision of redemption.[Isa 53:1,5,6,10]  It may be that the contemporary translations of the Bible do not use "Yahweh" out of respect for the traditional Jewish reverence for this name.[162]

The King James Bible, the New American Standard Bible, and the New International Version substitute the titles "LORD" and "GOD" with all the letters capitalized where the name "Yahweh" actually belongs. The name "Yahweh" does not appear in the text of most popular English Bible translations on the market today. Jewish Bible scholars introduced this tradition in the mid-2nd century B.C., and it has continued since that time.  In 1611, the inaugural edition of the King James Bible editors did not include the name "Yahweh," not being aware of the rendering, though Jehovah does appear several times.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Yo-Mama, good to see you doing some research, although it's only through the web.

Much of the material you cited is from a Yahwhist website. Yahwhism is also know as the Sacred Name Cult—they worship the name and contend that Hebrew itself is a Holy language. Furthermore, the fragment in Greek you cite is a fairly recent "discovery" by Jewish "scholars" and contestable among other scholars. However, the issue is not whether or not a name for God exists, but which name it is. There are two names on the table: I AM THAT I AM (Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh) which is Hebrew, and the Babylonian storm god Jehovah (Yahweh, YHVH, YHWH), formally known as the tetragrammaton. And no, this is not mere semantics; this is a critical issue.

Kurios:

Some make the claim that the word "LORD" is also a Greek word and is foreign to the Hebrew language.  This is false.  The fact is that the word "LORD" is a Hebrew word and comes from the Hebrew word "ADOWN" (Strongs #113 & 136 a king or sovereign) from which comes "ADONAI" which is a Hebrew word translated into the Septuagint Greek version of the Old Testament became "Kurios" and both are CORRECTLY translated "LORD" and this refers to kingship or sovereignty. It was Jews in 280BC, 307 years before the day of Pentecost, who translated the name ADONAI into Greek as Kurios.  The Apostles did not do this!  They used the same translation of words that were used 307years before them. When Jesus quoted the Septuagint he did not say "Yahweh or Jehovah" in the text were the word "Kurios or in English Lord" is now used. In saying the word LORD is a correct translation of the Greek Kurios, we are saying that the word "LORD" is a substitute name of God replacing ADONAI.  It is not correct to substitute ADONAI or LORD with the interpolated YHWH or JHVH which is done in every Yahwist Bible ever fabricated.  The name ADONAI when used of God is a name.  When used of man it is a title like Father. In may hundreds of places it is a substitute word REPLACING the ancient sacred name EHYEH which the Jews at once time considered to be the ineffable and unutterable name of God.  But they replaced this SACRED NAME with a substitute.  They capitalized LORD from "ADONAI" to designate the one true God from other gods who were called lord.  We do know that every time they came to the HYH "Ehyeh" they would pronounce ADONAI.  This was not just a habit or a fill-in to keep from saying some other secret hidden name.  For the record: The holy name LORD is ADONAI in Hebrew; the holy name ADONAI is MORYO in Aramaic; the holy name ADONAI is Kurios in Greek; the holy name ADONAI is DOMINUS in Latin; and the holy name ADONAI is LORD in English (A Remarkable Biblical Discovery, William P. Hall, p34).  Now if Jesus spoke Aramaic did he say MORYO when he meant ADONAI or LORD?  If he spoke Greek did he say KURIOS to mean LORD?  Or did he say ADONAI in the original Hebrew when he meant LORD?

Yahwhist cultists also refer to Jesus in what they call his "Hebrew" name: Yeshua, Yehosua, Yashua, Yahshua etc. This also is incorrect. There is no general acceptance of "Yeshua" or its many variations by the scholar community as being a correct Hebrew rendering of "Jesus."

Furthermore:

Tetragrammaton Fraud:

Below is an actual copy of a portion of the Dead Sea Scroll of Psalms 119:59-64, written in ancient Aramaic (Babylonian) alphabet.  The text is Talmudic-Babylonian (Aramaic) and is no older than perhaps around 30BC-50AD.  While scholars will wail and scream, these scrolls may come from the era from 100-700AD.  Some want these texts to be very old so they can authenticate the tetragrammaton and or other teachings they want to claim the Christians stole or borrowed from the Essenes. There existed in Israel up to the eighth century several religious groups who could have and did use these caves. The artifacts found in them demonstrate a continious use for several centuries. The scroll is said to be from the library of the Essenes but this cannot be proven.  We are told without proof that the Essenes devoted their lives to expunge from the manuscripts corruptions placed in them by Babylonian tainted scribes.  We do not know if this Psalm scroll was considered by them to be authentic or among those that were corrupted.  Scholars themselves are at disagreement with them when compared to the Septuagint and other versions.  There are thousands of differences.  The text below contains two different types of alphabet letter characters.  Yet many hail this forgery as authentic.

Notice the four letters   at the bottom and the blue arrow showing the location. These four letters are foreign to the rest of the script both as to style and also the slant of the letters. These are in paleo Hebrew an ancient alphabet prior to the Babylonian captivity. They are not in conformity with the previous written script.  They are not even inserted in the manuscript level with the surrounding text. This shows that this is a forgery and an interpolation.
Thus, the four letters   are a careful fraud.  The scripting is Aramaic Babylonian rabbinical writing and did not come into practice until after the Babylonian captivity. The interpolation is four letters written in the ancient Paleo Semitic alphabet (sometimes called ancient Hebrew). But what are these four letters? Are they the tetragrammaton YHWH or YHVH? No! The third letter is not a "waw or a vav". This letter is not the Paleo-Hebrew letter for the W or the V.

Another point of fact is that there is no "W" letter in the Hebrew alphabet. Here again, the Yahwist cannot have the name Yahweh with out the "W" sound with the "W" alphabet character which also, like the letter "J" was invented to symbolize the sound. We admit that the "W" sound was also included in the use of the "V" but what are the rules of grammer to know when the "V" had the "V" sound and the "W" sound?The Concision Yahwist never seem to want to discuss this. They want to focus in on the letter "J" and its sound so they can attack at the name of Jesus to blot it out of the earth. Should they use the same argument against the "Y" and the "W" they use against the "J" they could not even pronouce Yahweh and the letters would not be YHWH but IHVH!The Paleo-Hebrew letter that is translated by some as W or V looks like the red letter below in the graphic:

What then is the third letter? Look at the red letter to the right and compare it to the third letter to the left.  They are NOT the same.

What is the solution?  What is the letter to the left that is being passed off as a W or a V among scholars and sacred name blasphemers?

The next chart to the right will show you what this letter is and how it was perverted.

Now what is that letter before it was edited to make it appear like it was a W or a V?

The Kabbalist tetragrammaton in mystic art



The oldest exegetes, such as Onkelos, and the Targumim of Jerusalem regard "Ehyeh" and "Ehyeh asher Ehyeh" as the name of the Divinity.
-Jewish Ency, Funk & Wagnalls, 1925 Ed p 119

What did God call himself at the burning bush?  He said "EHYEH asher EHYEH."  This is said to mean "I AM that I AM.  Why?  Because in the Hebrew there is to future tense there is only past and present.  To make EHYEH asher EHYEH to mean "I will be what I will be" is a futuristic statement and is false.  We do not know what EHYEH asher EHYEH means other than how it is incorporated into the name of Jesus.  And in that name it means "God is salvation or God has become salvation" (both present tense).

Furthermore, Jesus identified himself with this same divine name in the New Testament. Although subordinationists deny the divinity of Christ and dismiss this passage, it is quite clear that Jesus refers to Himself with the divine name:

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.

Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

But the bottom line is, the Holy Scriptures tell us, Jesus is the name above all names!

[ada]

Yo-Mama, good to see you doing some research, although it's only through the web.

Much of the material you cited is from a Yahwhist website. Yahwhism is also know as the Sacred Name Cult—they worship the name and contend that Hebrew itself is a Holy language. Furthermore, the fragment in Greek you cite is a fairly recent "discovery" by Jewish "scholars" and contestable among other scholars. However, the issue is not whether or not a name for God exists, but which name it is. There are two names on the table: I AM (Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh) which is Hebrew, and the Babylonian storm god Jehovah (Yahweh, YHVH, YHWH), formally known as the tetragrammaton.

But the bottom line is, Jesus is the name above all names!

Yes Timothy you are right. What happen to this forum.
Its obvious that yo_mama is a jewish shill.
@yo_mama
GET BEHIND ME SATAN!

[Yo Mama]

ada, if you had a brain you'd be dangerous.   :roll:

Timothy Fitzpatrick, it's obvious that you can't separate your religious kookery from historical and literary issues involving the Jew "holy book".  You're completely caught up on meaningless semantic b.s., while ignoring the two ton elephant in the middle of the living room.  It's actually kind of sad to see.

I already thoroughly debunked your argument.  The bloodthirsty Jewish tribal god is called "Yahweh".  But the Jews are such superstitious freaks that in ancient times they started referring to their bloodthirsty tribal god by euphemisms instead of its actual name.  This practice was later adopted by Christians, and continues to this day.

The end.   8-)

[Yo Mama]

Of course, the real issue here is not what name the Jews call their bloodthirsty tribal god.  It's meaningless trivia.  What matters is the behavior that is exhibited by the Jews' tribal god in the Jew holy book.  This is the real issue here, not some silly argument over what name the Jews' tribal god was called.

The fact that you continue to praise the Jews' genocidal tribal and indeed even worship it, places you squarely in the realm of religious kooks and the mentally ill.

[Yo Mama]

Hey, TF, I notice that you never post the link to the website where you getting your information.  Why not?  Well, that's okay, because I found your little site myself:

Ehjeh asher Ehjeh
Jesus Messieh Fellowship
http://www.yahwehism.com/html/sacred-name.html[/size]

Is this the splinter Christian cult that you belong to?  A cult built around an obsession with the name "Jesus" and a secondary obsession with trying to prove that the ancient Jews didn't call their tribal god "Yahweh"?

Oy vey.  :crazy:

You may read this page ONLY if you confess faith in the name of Jesus. IF YOU click OK you are denying YAHWEH as the name of the Father or Creator and confessing the name of Jesus is the ONLY SAVING NAME! Say right now "I deny YAHWEH and believe ONLY in the name of Jesus", if you said this, then Click OK to read the study. If you refuse to recant the false name Yahweh, click cancel to leave now!

 :lol:

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

ada, if you had a brain you'd be dangerous.   :roll:

Timothy Fitzpatrick, it's obvious that you can't separate your religious kookery from historical and literary issues involving the Jew "holy book".  You're completely caught up on meaningless semantic b.s., while ignoring the two ton elephant in the middle of the living room.  It's actually kind of sad to see.

I already thoroughly debunked your argument.  The bloodthirsty Jewish tribal god is called "Yahweh".  But the Jews are such superstitious freaks that in ancient times they started referring to their bloodthirsty tribal god by euphemisms instead of its actual name.  This practice was later adopted by Christians, and continues to this day.

The end.   8-)

As I predicted, when you thought you were winning, you were all for this debate, but now that you see you are losing, you reduce this to "semantics."

[Yo Mama]

As I predicted, when you thought you were winning, you were all for this debate, but now that you see you are losing, you reduce this to "semantics."

Really?  I pretty much debunked your conspiracy theory.  I guess in your world that's called "losing the debate."  But hey, you can believe whatever you want.

The Christian obsession with "sacred" names and "sacred" numbers is very similar to that of orthodox/ultra-orthodox Jews.  Coincidence?

 :think:

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

I maintain that Jesus of Nazareth was a real historical person and that the New Testament about him is accurate; this is not the irrational part, but this withstands the rigors of scholarly dissection.

No, it doesn't.  In fact, it's completely ridiculous.  The New Testament is literature.  It's not history.  Do you know the difference between literature and history?   :roll:

Hahaha, nice. Single out only one of a dozen points. You are out of your league here, Shlomo.

[Yo Mama]

Hahaha, nice. Single out only one of a dozen points. You are out of your league here, Shlomo.

You wish, Moishe.  You're the one out of your league.  I completely destroy you every time.  

[joeblow]

Keep it civil, otherwise warnings will be given.