Anyone still researching 911 details?

[joeblow]

I wanted to respond a little more here, not in the manner of demolition used at the WTC, but about the source which proposes to reveal something to us about it

Not even the dumbest of Conspiracy-theorist (not counting flag-loving Paytriotards) take Rumor Mill News seriously anymore (City of London's Crown Agents plus Evil U.S. Military, but minus Jews).  Your intentions are good, but you give these bozos way too much credibility. All the sources you give are known by veteran members of the Conspiracy Community as spreaders of disinformation, Ognir and Rockclimber can back me up about my opinions:

Most disinfo comes from "ex"-Military: http://www.captainsherlock.com/
Pure uncut Paytriotardness: http://hawkscafe.com
Extremely crazy bitch: http://barbarahartwell.blogspot.com/
Considered a laughing-stock even by GLP: http://www.rumormillnews.com/

[Michael K.]

Dear Joe Blow,

1.)     Thanks for your thoughts, I of course submit that what you say is self-evident truth.

The actual question it all brings up is whether the actual info about the rocket-fuel explosive is correct, and I think that it is a pretty strong argument.  That's the real theme of my statement in the first place, as I was trying to engage the subject of some unresolved questions about the scientific facts of 9-11 and I am curious about your thoughts on that one thing.

2.)     A more accurate representation of my internet interests:

http://exotica-radio.com/podcast/duncan ... ssion.html

http://www.lawlessamerica.com/index.php ... Itemid=219

http://duncanofinioan.wordpress.com/

3.)     Are you aware of the whole apparent top-down takeover of the "sovereign citizen" movement by Tim Turner and a few other dudes, all of whom claim to be backed by US generals?

[MikeWB]

BTW, it's Wood, not Woods.

But seriously, is she a jew?









The nose knows....

Yep, all this "no plane" bullshit is just another jew deception.

[Ognir]

lol I wouldn't throw  her the wood  :lol:  

[Anonymous]

Judy'd better knock on wood if she wants my staff/snake !!! hahahahaha !!!

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

What about this Wood?    (Not Jewish by Race, but both her mom and herself converted to J-Tribalism...  :wtf: ) (She would be worth a "Goyim" intervention to save her from a Satanic cult!!!  8-) )

Evan Rachel Wood


Personal life
Wood and Marilyn Manson arriving to a concert location in Ljubljana, Slovenia, June 2007

Wood has described her religion as Jewish (her mother is a convert to Judaism and her father is Christian).[33][34][35] She briefly attended Cary Elementary, a public school in Cary, North Carolina. She was home-schooled and received her high school diploma at age 15.[36] Wood has a black belt in taekwondo.[37] In her early teens, she was described as "the sad, introverted teen", on which she commented: "It's just a type I enjoy playing. But I don't want to be typecast as the misery chick for the rest of my career. I guess I have to watch out for that."[38]

Her dad is into JFK research...directs Shakespeare and does a lot of Christmas plays.. (odds are not a Jew --CSR ):

His JFK Assassination Chronology began as a private research project
which was to culminate in an original play on the subject.  All entries in
the work come from published material which he continues to put into
chronological order.  To date, the play remains unwritten; the research
continues, and the complete Chronology currently numbers over five hundred
pages in length.

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v2n1/chrono1.pdf

(c)2003 Ira David Wood III

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v2 ... ketch.html

Word to the wise... don't let your kids near the 9/11-JFK research...!

[stoneskull]

need more info on the work done on the sprinkler systems at the towers before 911,

as well as the guys with false IDs doing repairs to the elevators.

[Whaler]

So she's a Jew then. I haven't read her book so I can't cast judgment on her research but...It seems the kosher conspiracy community is giving her a big push. Hoagland, Ventura and Noory seem to be cheer-leading for her big time. Now we find out that she is indeed a Jew...
 :think:

Seems like a great way to set 911 truth back ten years. Also, even if true, her theory is laughable and ludicrous to your average person. Endorsing DEW and her theory is a great way to put 911 truth in the category of Nazi spacemen and Sasquatch. Not saying her theory doesn't have merit, just that on the surface it seems that the TPTB are giving her a push. Her theory gives aid and comfort to the zio Jews that have been clearly shown to be involved. People can see how the buildings could have been pre wired by a rouge elements of the US gov't and Mossad. Wood's theory basically hits a restart button on the whole 911 truth movement. All of the momentum gained would be null and void. Basically the Jews and Israeli's that were clearly caught would be given a get out of jail free card and attention would be shifted away from Israel and onto the US gov't...just like the Jews wanted in the early days of the Jew-led 911 truth movement.



Remember, Jews were putting out the Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney LIHOP theory in major Hollywood productions. It wasn't until the Jewish connections became apparent that 911 truth was hushed up and given limited exposure.


Micheal Moore and his agent; Rahm Emanuel's brother.




Loose Change: 2nd Edition- DVD
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Loose+Chang ... &lp=2&cp=1



[googlevid:xwwiyfp9]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4071551301506215141[/googlevid:xwwiyfp9]

[MikeWB]

Well, we still don't know if she's 100% a jew but judging by the facial features, it looks to me that she is. CSR was talking about Evan Rachel Wood.

[Yo Mama]

Endorsing DEW and her theory is a great way to put 911 truth in the category of Nazi spacemen and Sasquatch.

Wait just a minute here.  Are you saying that Nazi spacemen and Sasquatch don't exist?  WTF?



 :lol:

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Get her on a TIU show and just ask her if she's a Jew?  :think:

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Joe, what's with this no planers stuff? I need to get up to speed.

[Kadafi]

I took a break for a while on 911 research, BUT AS SOON AS "BIN LADEN" WAS KILLED, AND THE MEDIA KEPT REFERRING TO 911 VICTIMS, I WAS HEATED AND COULDN'T CONTROL MYSELF. EVEN THE NIGHT OBAMA GAVE THE SPEECH CNN WAS SHOWING THE FAKE BIN LADEN VIDEO WHERE HE IS GESTURING WITH WRONG HAND, WEARING GOLD, AND HIS FACE IS OFF, LET ALONE THE VIDEO WAS VERY BLURRY. IT MAKES ME SICK TO SEE HOW NOBODY ASKS QUESTIONS AND THE JEWS RESPONSIBLE ARE CASHING IN ON INSURANCE SCAMS. THE CONTROL TOWER JEW WAS THE SAME GUY IN THE TOWER FOR EGYPT AIR 990 CARRYING THE TOP ELITE BRASS OF THEIR MILITARY.

[Kadafi]

i didn't watch the vids but yes, the no-plane crap is just that, crap. AND YES WOOD IS A JEW. RACHEL IS COMMON FEMALE JEW NAME. ANYWAY THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA OUTLETS HAVE DISCUSSED EVERY THEORY EVEN ALIENS, BUT IF YOU MENTION THE EVIDENCE OF ALL THE ISRAELI NATIONALS INVOLVED YOU WILL GET SHUT DOWN!

[o1OpTiMuS1o]

check this video i made the other day Og

9-11 Planes AWAC Remote Laser Guided Systems and Newest WTC7 Demolition Explosion
[youtube:a8fmip09]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12yHVXNCDjA[/youtube]a8fmip09]

[MikeWB]

As for all these "no plane" , hologram, energy weapons deceptions... they serve one and only one purpose: deflect the blame away from Israel. If you say that this was the work of some incredible new weapon, then you can't blame the Israel since they don't have these weapons or the research & development budget to develop such weapons so you blame the "Paperclip Nazis" who run US black programs... or you blame aliens. In any case, Israel is exonerated and it's the Nazis, again, that are behind it.


I fail to see the point of your video, Optimus. Just a bunch of conflicting clips with faulty eyewitness testimonies from people who don't have a clue about what they saw due to shock, poor vision and lack of knowledge about planes. Laser guidance is used in systems that can't be maneuvered easily (i.e. bombs and kinetic projectiles) and for targets that move around. It's much easier and safer to guide them with a TERCOM and GPS into stationary buildings (just look at how the US fights wars with Tomahawk targeting). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tercom Vast majority of "precision bombing" is done that way... and not with laser targeting. Pre-programmed flight path = known targets,  lasers = extemporaneous targets.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

As for all these "no plane" , hologram, energy weapons deceptions... they serve one and only one purpose: deflect the blame away from Israel. If you say that this was the work of some incredible new weapon, then you can't blame the Israel since they don't have these weapons or the research & development budget to develop such weapons so you blame the "Paperclip Nazis" who run US black programs... or you blame aliens. In any case, Israel is exonerated and it's the Nazis, again, that are behind it.


I fail to see the point of your video, Optimus. Just a bunch of conflicting clips with faulty eyewitness testimonies from people who don't have a clue about what they saw due to shock, poor vision and lack of knowledge about planes. Laser guidance is used in systems that can't be maneuvered easily (i.e. bombs and kinetic projectiles) and for targets that move around. It's much easier and safer to guide them with a TERCOM and GPS into stationary buildings (just look at how the US fights wars with Tomahawk targeting). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tercom Vast majority of "precision bombing" is done that way... and not with laser targeting. Pre-programmed flight path = known targets,  lasers = extemporaneous targets.

Ok MikeWB,

Let us know what you really think in some detail.  Here are a few possible scenarios. Add yours if you have one ready:

1.  Official Theory
a. Muslims backed by Osama Bin Laden did it while US/Israeli Mossad watched.
b. Untrained Muslims take manual control of planes and pull off extreme turns at buildings and ground. (NY/DC/Penn.)
c. Due to debris/fuel fires, and structural damage/weaknessess from the collisions, the Twin Towers and Bldg. 7 fall on their own.
d. The Media simply reported what they saw that day without shaping the news.

2. Thermate-Thermite Theory (non-Israeli)
a. Muslims pre-planned plane hijackings and flew them in. Or, they were victims of hijacked identities.
b. Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld use "secret ops" to  pre-plant Thermate/Thermite "charges" in the Buildings (Twin Towers/7).
c. Actual hijacked planes flown into buildings by Muslims, or remote controlled planes flew in by Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld.
d. Buildings fall after charges fire in a Controlled Demolition. Quick coverup of the site.
e. The Media report what they saw with a few of them covering for the "Secret Teams" that day.
f. Wars get launched for Oil-Bush-Queen.
g. The NIST report does not investigate "thermite-thermate" nano or otherwise.
h. Convential Physics and Science used to explain events -- with specialist explosives used.
i. Who did it?  Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld
j. How? With convential physics, hijacking the final outcome whether Muslims flew or the military did with remote control. Also, some commando style ops and compromised media elements set the stage for the Demolition.
k. Who supports this theory? A&E for 9/11 truth...Scholars for 9/11 Truth. Professor Steven Jones promoted it and made it well known in 2006. Inside Job types.
l. Who opposes this theory? A lot of "Debunker" researchers on YouTube (strictly Official Theory). People with alternative theories like Judy Wood/Fetzer/ChecktheEvidence.com

3. Thermate-Thermite Theory (NeoCon US-Israeli)
a. Israelis disguised as Muslims pre-planned the plane hijackings and flew them in. The Muslims definitely were victims of hijacked identities.
b. NeoCon insiders with Jew puppets Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld use "secret ops" to  pre-plant Thermate/Thermite "charges" in the Buildings (Twin Towers/7).
c. Actual hijacked planes flown into buildings by non-Muslims, or remote controlled planes flew in by NeoCons/Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld.
d. Buildings fall after charges fire in a Controlled Demolition. Quick coverup of the site.
e. The Media report what they saw with a few of them covering for the "Secret Teams" that day.
f. Wars get launched for Oil-Bush-ISRAEL.
g. The NIST report does not investigate "thermite-thermate" nano or otherwise.
h. Convential Physics and Science used to explain events -- with specialist explosives used.
i. Who did it?  Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld, Jew NeoCons, with several Israeli Mossad-Secret team Cohorts
j. How? With convential physics using Thermate/Thermite charges; by hijacking the final outcome whether Israeli tech flew or the US military did with remote control. Also, some commando style ops and compromised media elements set the stage for the Demolition. Norad told to stand down. Israeli Mossad arrested that had a hand in carrying out or documenting the attacks. Muslims where setup on 9/11. Jews had control of communication networks in US military.
k. Who supports this theory? A lot of people with knowledge of Israeli FalseFlags who follow other 9/11 research. Some TIU(?) members. Bollyn, Hufschimd, Veteranstoday.com etc. WhatReallyhappened.com  

4. DEW-Alternative Weapons Theory (NeoCon US-Israeli)
a. Israelis/US military disguised as Muslims pre-planned the plane hijackings and flew them in with . The Muslims definitely were victims of hijacked identities.
b. NeoCon insiders with Jew puppets Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld use "very top secret new Weapons" to attack the Towers/Pentagon in a very disguised "False Flag".
c. No planes flown into buildings by anyone. Planes on recordings via Photoshop style overlays.
d. Buildings fall after DEW weapons basically vaporize the buildings. Quick coverup of the site via "earth" potting soil.
e. The Media report what they saw with a few of them covering for the "Secret Teams" that day.
f. Wars get launched for Oil-Bush-ISRAEL.
g. The NIST report does not investigate basically calls such a theory ridiculous. Lawsuits pointing to DEW weapons from Lockheed, SAIC, etc. get shut down in court.
h. Unconvential Physics and Science used to explain events. Few explosives used. Few extremely burned-blackened bodies found in wreckage. Few broken toilets. Melted Car-Truck engines.
i. Who did it?  Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-US DEW weapons contractors, Jew NeoCons, with several Israeli Mossad-US CIA-MI 6 Secret team Cohorts
j. How? With unconvential physics using secret DEW weapons; by hijacking the final outcome whether Israeli tech flew the planes or the US military did with remote control. Also, some commando style ops and compromised media elements set the stage for the Demolition. Norad told to stand down. Israeli Mossad arrested that had a hand in carrying out or documenting the attacks. Muslims where setup on 9/11. Jews had control of communication networks in US military.
k. Who supports this theory? A lot of people with knowledge of Israeli FalseFlags who follow other 9/11 research. A few TIU(?) members.  
l. A small number believe the DEW weapons factor but leave out the Reynold's "No-planes" part. Too much evidence indicates some large aircraft hit the buildings in NY/DC and crashed in Penn. The planes were just for effect, and remoted in by NeoCons-Israelis, and ultimately had zero impact on bringing the Towers down.
m. This is where the US-Israeli military are eventually going... massively destructive weapons.

5. DEW-Alternative Weapons Theory (Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Queen/Secret Space Nazis/Aliens)
a. All items in #4 above but replace "Israelis" with Secret 115 year-old comic book space Nazis using secret technology.
b. Who supports this theory? A lot of people who listen to George Noory, Richard Hoagland, Coast2Coast, possibly some alternative media Jews like Makow.

6.  Official Theory (Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Queen as actors)
a. Muslims backed by Osama Bin Laden did it with US top secretspecial forces.
b. Untrained Muslims take manual control of planes and pull off extreme turns at buildings and ground with the help of US government agents. (NY/DC/Penn.)
c. Due to debris/fuel fires, and structural damage/weaknessess from the collisions, the Twin Towers and Bldg. 7 fall on their own.
d. The Media simply reported what they saw that day without shaping the news.
e. Attacks were for Oil wars.
f. Illumnati behind it. Shadowy "Secret Powers" in the background.
g. Who supports this theory? A.J., Loose Changers, Dale Peter Scott, most Jews covering for Israeli crimes, anyone posting a 9/11 video on Youtube focusing on "Arabs"...  ad naseum.


7. Other theories largely discounted by investigation or just because they were too stupid to begin with.
a. Includes all nonsense on various Alternative media channels that don't address means, motive, opportunity with the physics behind it all. These types simply disregard key evidence.

Final Comments:
a. If Prof. Judy Wood, Fetzer, CheckTheEvidence.com,physics "UFO"-Disclosure Project people blame it all on Bush-Cheney-Queen and NOT NEOCON JEW Israelis. They are duped and naive. I don't see them as "real PAID actors in this or contracted by intelligence". I'm a little wary about Fetzer suddenly warming up to Dr. Wood's research.
b. Since the Anthrax attacks came right after the 9/11 attacks.  Coordinated attacks were conducted to launch the wars against Israel's enemies. Consequently, the Jew traitors that launched the wars in the Middle East had inside intelligence on operations in the US military and Govt.
c. Add more items to  areas you think an area needs focus.
d. If you want to take apart Dr. Wood's new book, or just call her a "Jew" just go ahead, but find something to back it up with. I didn't see a lot of Jews or AJ running support for her back in 2006 that much.  I could be wrong but I don't think she's a Jew.

--CSR

[MikeWB]

CSR, GREAT post my friend.. great post! Lots of things to think about.

"a. Israelis disguised as Muslims pre-planned the plane hijackings and flew them in. The Muslims definitely were victims of hijacked identities."

My take on 9/11 is that Mossad, due to their near-total penetration of Middle East governments and intelligence agencies, found out early on that Osama was planning 9/11 and they decided to take advantage of that. They did everything in their power to make sure that hijackers succeed in their plan. They made sure US intelligence stayed clear of them, they made sure that they were not arrested, they made sure they passed through security screenings, they made sure those plane hit their targets and so on. That explains why Mossad was tailing them so closely and why we have evidence of Mossad agents staying in cities where hijackers stayed at (sometimes only few buildings away from them). They made sure those towers fell and they made sure NORAD stood down. They told all the Neocons in US gov that they can expect a new "pearl harbor" that they were all yearning for... as mentioned in PNAC and "Clean Break"  documents and that they should take advantage of it.

Did they use guidance systems on those planes? Maybe... kinda irrelevant to the whole story. Did they use thermite? Maybe... also kinda irrelevant. Did Osama pay for the operation. Yes. Did Osama know of it? Yes. Did Mossad know of it? Definitely! We have all the circumstantial evidence there is plus we have all the anthrax evidence. They definitely knew of it and they were the hidden hand that made sure they succeed.

I don't buy the story that these fundamentalist Muslims were set up  and that they didn't hate US and that they're innocent. That's bullshit. Muslim fundamentalism is very real due to the policies that ZIoNeocons have been pushing in the Middle East. Many fundamentalist muslims do hate US and want us ill. This whole "hijackers were not muslims" theory is propagated by the arabs to to make themselves feel better. Mossad used them as pawns in this game... they used their hate for US as means to the end.

My advice to everyone researching 9/11 is that they MUST understand that there's a ton of lies and propaganda out there and NEVER to take one side's story as a complete truth. There's lies coming from neocons, al qaeda, iran, arab countries and so on. The job of a truth seeker is to sift through lies and use their brain and one's deductive powers to come up with the real truth.

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

CSR, GREAT post my friend.. great post! Lots of things to think about.

"a. Israelis disguised as Muslims pre-planned the plane hijackings and flew them in. The Muslims definitely were victims of hijacked identities."

My take on 9/11 is that Mossad, due to their near-total penetration of Middle East governments and intelligence agencies, found out early on that Osama was planning 9/11 and they decided to take advantage of that. They did everything in their power to make sure that hijackers succeed in their plan.

No offence Mike but you're way off here, IMHO. The Jewish/Zionist big boys somehow knew 9/11 was going to happen way back in 1979 when Osama was busy duking it out with the Russians using his inexhaustible CIA money/weapons cache.


Mossad founder Isser Harel predicted 9/11 in 1979

In 1979 Harel predicted with uncanny accuracy the events of 9/11. Michael Evans, an American supporter of Zionism, visited Harel at his home in Israel and had dinner with him and Dr. Reuven Hecht, a senior adviser to then prime minister Menachem Begin.

At dinner Michael Evans asked Harel, "Do you think terrorism will come to America, and if so, where and why"? Harel told Evans; "New York City is the symbol of freedom and capitalism. It's likely they will strike... your tallest building", because it is a "phallic symbol".

See the 7th paragraph of this article for confirmation ---> http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christi ... phecy.aspx

That's not a coincidence. The Zionists knew in 1979 that a 9/11 event was going to happen in New York because they had been planning it since at least 1979, not Mr. Binny Bin Caveman. Jews always say out loud what they're going to do and then they do it; http://sixmillionmyth.blogspot.com/2011 ... nists.html

They made sure US intelligence stayed clear of them, they made sure that they were not arrested, they made sure they passed through security screenings, they made sure those plane hit their targets and so on. That explains why Mossad was tailing them so closely and why we have evidence of Mossad agents staying in cities where hijackers stayed at (sometimes only few buildings away from them).

The real reason Israeli agents were tailing the "Arabs" and made sure those "Arabs" weren't arrested is because those "Arabs" were Mossad agents impersonating Muslims. They were tasked with leaving behind a false trail of evidence that would implicate Muslims. Top level US intelligence of course knew that and prevented well meaning US intelligence officials from picking up these Mossad Al Qaeda imposters who stole the passports/identities of 19 Middle Eastern Arabs. Genuine Islamic fundamentalists don't frequent strip clubs, binge drink, and inquire for prostitutes. That's a one way ticket to hell in Islam. But that's what these "Muslim fundamentalists" were doing leading up to the big event. They went out of their way to make a scene at clubs so ppl would notice them, saying shit like "America will pay" out loud and then leaving Korans behind at the bar. Like Andreas Von Bulow said, they left a trail behind them like a herd of stampeding elephants. This is the work of INTELLIGENCE.  There are some parallels with the JFK assassination. The CIA/Mossad stringpullers made Lee Harvey Oswald do similar stuff, such as pose as a "Communist agitator" in New Orleans giving out Pro-Castro leaflets and making a spectacle of himself. News cameras just happened to be on the scene to capture Oswald and his "Pro-Marxist activism". Oswald was a low-level intelligence operative who was being set up to take the fall. The CIA/Mossad were trying to make him look like a Communist in the eyes of the public so they could orchestrate a cover story that the "KGB killed JFK". Same/similar thing with 9/11, except the cover story had nineteen Oswalds (Muslim patsies) taking the fall.

They made sure those towers fell and they made sure NORAD stood down. They told all the Neocons in US gov that they can expect a new "pearl harbor" that they were all yearning for... as mentioned in PNAC and "Clean Break"  documents and that they should take advantage of it.

The Zionist Jews didn't merely take advantage of it, they made it happen because the patsies couldn't physically produce the effects observed that day. They couldn't fly the planes, they couldn't demolish the buildings, they wouldn't have been able to make it through airport security let alone fly three jumbo jets into the twin towers and the Pentagon.

Did they use guidance systems on those planes? Maybe... kinda irrelevant to the whole story. Did they use thermite? Maybe... also kinda irrelevant.

How is that irrelevant? It's central to everything we're talking about here. The Muslims blamed for 9/11 did not have the technical capability to fly those planes, let alone make jet-fighter maneuvers going 500+ mph as is claimed about 'the terrible pilot' (the words of his flight instructor) hani hanjour, on flight 77. Remote technology must have been used. Explosives were obviously used to take down the buildings. All of this is very, very obvious at this point.

Did Osama pay for the operation. Yes. Did Osama know of it? Yes. Did Mossad know of it? Definitely! We have all the circumstantial evidence there is plus we have all the anthrax evidence. They definitely knew of it and they were the hidden hand that made sure they succeed.

That's pretty interesting Mike. :think: You're certain Bin Laden 'paid' for 9/11? Whatever evidence you have for that (I'd love to see it because I don't believe there is any), you might want to show it to the FBI because admittedly they have no evidence connecting him to 9/11. Bin Laden is more of a CIA actor/bogeyman than anything else. He had nothing to do with 9/11, just like Oswald had nothing to do with the JFK assassiantion. Rabbi Dov Zakheim 'paid' for 9/11 with the Pentagon missing trillions. I'm sure you're aware of that story?

I don't buy the story that these fundamentalist Muslims were set up  and that they didn't hate US and that they're innocent. That's bullshit. Muslim fundamentalism is very real due to the policies that ZIoNeocons have been pushing in the Middle East. Many fundamentalist muslims do hate US and want us ill. This whole "hijackers were not muslims" theory is propagated by the arabs to to make themselves feel better. Mossad used them as pawns in this game... they used their hate for US as means to the end.

First off I'm not any kind of Muslim sympathizer as I once was, so I'm not coming from any kind of ideological vantage point which would cloud my judgement on the issue of Muslim wrongdoings. Some of the die-hard Muslims on this forum are indeed coming from an extreme/radical Pro-Islamic ideological vantage point where they deny any and all historical Muslim wrongdoings and seriously distort history to favor Islam. But let's be perfectly honest, the evidence is way too clear with 9/11 to even have a doubt that muslims are not responsible in any capacity. If the Muslims were not victims of a complete set-up on 9/11 then how would you explain this.


The magical explosion-proof paper passport -- used as "proof" Muslims/Arabs hijacked the planes  :lol:


The magical indestructible 'red bandana'. US Gov't claims the 'Arab suicide pilots' of flight 93 wore these.

And the absurd Mohammed Atta "suitcase" loaded to the brim with incriminating evidence including a Koran, flight data recorder, Arabic-language flight manual, Atta's last will & testament (with the names of the 19 "Muslim hijackers" on it), etc, which conveniently "didn't make the flight".

:lol:  :roll:  ---> http://abcnews.go.com/International/sto ... 168&page=1

The US authorities also claim to have found Arabic language flight manuals in a rental car parked outside one of the airports. This is all blatantly planted evidence by Mossad. It's too good to be true. If the 19 Arabs were so brilliant that they could pull off 9/11 without a hitch, then they wouldn't be dumb/clumsy enough to leave such obvious clues behind them and pack such absurd items in a suitcase on a suicide mission which was just going to get blown up anyway.


Anthrax letters written by someone impersonating "Muslim fundamentalists" even though it's now admitted the anthrax was not sent out by "Al Qaeda" and came from a US bio-weapons lab. The anthrax was sent out by Israeli agents. Soon after the anthrax was sent out Israel and US Jew Neo Cons tried to pin it on Iraq and were putting out heavy propaganda that Saddam was behind the anthrax. A continuation of the Arab/Muslims 9-11 frame-up ruse.

And then there's the thing I previously mentioned with Muslim imposters traipsing around nightclubs in Florida leaving Korans at the bar and making loud anti-American statements so as to leave a trail of evidence behind them on purpose for reporters and the FBI to follow.

And then there's the attempted frame-up of Palestinians for the attempted George Washington Bridge Mossad truck bomb:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICL ... aelis.html

One anonymous phone call to the authorities actually led them to close down all of New York's bridges and tunnels. The mystery caller told the 9-1-1 dispatcher that a group of Palestinians were mixing a bomb inside of a white van headed for the Holland Tunnel. Here's the transcript from NBC News:
Dispatcher: Jersey City police.
Caller: Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, they look like Palestinians and going around a building.
Caller: There's a minivan heading toward the Holland tunnel, I see the guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk and he has those sheikh uniform.
Dispatcher: He has what?
Caller: He's dressed like an Arab. (

(*Writer's note: Why would this mystery caller specifically say that these "Arabs" were Palestinians? How would he know that? Palestinians usually dress in western style clothes, not "sheikh uniforms")

And the ridiculous Israeli/NeoCon/Jew media coverage blaming Bin Laden with 20 minutes of the second tower being hit. That was a planned piece of disinformation by the real perpetrator. I really shouldn't have to explain this.

[youtube:30r27c8f]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Njdh0N20AmI[/youtube]30r27c8f]
[youtube:30r27c8f]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GDa-L4hHHo[/youtube]30r27c8f]
[youtube:30r27c8f]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJT5ON9jfXs[/youtube]30r27c8f]
[youtube:30r27c8f]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9-90CVUDUE[/youtube]30r27c8f]

I don't have to tell you about the dancing Israelis or larry silverstein, etc. Meanwhile the Jewish-media was playing endless clips of Palestinians supposedly celebrating in the streets.
[youtube:30r27c8f]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUIccw2Qj08[/youtube]30r27c8f]

The Muslim/Arab 9-11 frame-up MO is so blatant, so incredibly obvious I don't see how anyone with eyes to see & half a brain could doubt it at this point. Zionist Jews planned, orchestrated, carried out and covered up 9/11 and the anthrax attacks, end of story.

My advice to everyone researching 9/11 is that they MUST understand that there's a ton of lies and propaganda out there and NEVER to take one side's story as a complete truth. There's lies coming from neocons, al qaeda, iran, arab countries and so on. The job of a truth seeker is to sift through lies and use their brain and one's deductive powers to come up with the real truth.

I suggest you take your own advice. You've obviously fallen for some of this "propaganda" you warn others to steer clear of.

[Christopher Marlowe]

Awesome Post Monkey.

Nice summaries cracksmoke.

I will just repeat that anyone favoring the thermite story still has to explain the explosions. Thermite is not an explosive.

On the other hand, if someone favors the DEW, I would like them to explain the squibs visible in the videos.

[MikeWB]

I spent 30 minutes writing a reply to your post and when I hit submit, I got the error page and lost the post. Here's a shorter version.

1) You seem to be employing the Alex Jones method of arguing: throw out much stuff as you can and muddy the waters as much as you can. How about we don't play that silly game?

2) If you cannot write few coherent paragraphs disputing what I wrote, don't bother posting hours and hours of video. I've seen them and unless you can tell me what your point is, I will not watch them again and waste my time. None of them disprove this theory anyway since you don't seem to understand it.

3) I "fell for "propaganda"? Whose propaganda is that? Do you even know what propaganda is? I don't hear Alex Jones promoting my theory. I don't hear Mossad promoting this theory. I don't hear CIA promoting it either.  I don't hear ISI and Arab media promoting it. So whose propaganda am I promoting?!

You know what actually is propaganda? The stuff you seem to be promoting about how there's no radical muslims, how arabs had nothing to do with 9/11 etc.

That's all Arab media propaganda designed to remove the blame from the fact that Arabs were aboard those planes. You seem to think that Arabs are always good and jews are always bad. You live in the fantasy world where everything's either black or white. The reality, however, is composed of shades of grey. Yes, radical arabs do exist and their hate is real. Not all of them are jews dressed up in arab gowns with keffiyeh yelling "Allahu Akbar" and "Death to America."


4) You say you're not an Arab sympathizer and yet your theory about how no Arabs were involved in 9/11 is straight out of Arab media bedtime stories for  sheep herders who can't even read. The number of witnesses who saw 9/11 hijackers at AlQaeda training camps is significant. Even Osama's personal bodyguard Abu Jandal says he saw Mohammed Atta and rest of the conspirators were at the camp. German intelligence also has evidence that Atta met with Osama and trained in Afghanistan.

I know, I know... anyone whose testimony doesn't fit with your theory is lying or is a dirty jew. So all this is just a bunch of jew lies. Arabs love Christians, whenever Arab kills a Christian that's actually a dressed up jew trying to frame a poor Arab. Whenever some radical Imam goes to a Mosque to preach hate against kaffir, that's just a dirty jew trying to smear Arabs. I bet a dirty jew put hundreds and hundreds of quotes against kaffirs into Quran! http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/q ... /long.html

Yep, all this radical Muslim hate against America is a figment of my imagination.

We all know that Mohammed Atta's on some beach in Rio basking in the sun.

Your theory that jews boarded those planes is so ludicrous that it boggles my mind. Why would these crafty and devious jews die in a suicide mission when a fundamentalist Arabs who hates West and America is ready to become a martyr and is ready to die for their cause??? Oh wait, no Arab is ready to blow himself up for martyrdom. My bad.

9/11 can be understood by first realizing that there's propaganda from all sides: from Mossad, from CIA, from Arabs/ISI/AlQaeda etc. Taking one side's story to be the whole truth and nothing but the truth, when it doesn't even fit the evidence, is illogical and foolish. Also, not everything that one side says is a lie. US government doesn't lie 100% of the time. Neither does Mossad or ISI or Arab propaganda machine. Lies are always embedded in a body of truth. That's how the propaganda works! This is how Alex Jones operates! You don't seem to understand that.

You seem to question the reality of the grand play that we were shown on 9/11 when you should be looking at who the puppet masters were. Yes, the actors in the play are real people. Yes those actors were Arab. And the play really did happen.

Facts are that radical Arabs did board those planes and did hijack them and did fly them into buildings (guided or unguided). Facts is that Mossad knew about the operation and did everything they could to help them succeed by removing all of the obstacles in front of them. Jewish owned media also pinned the blame on AlQ and Arabs as soon as those planes hit the towers. It was a perfect play, a false flag, designed to get the stupid goyim to fight Arabs for Americans.

But a deeper and more important story is that Mossad and US neocons were the producers of this grand play and they made sure it went without a hitch. They were the force behind the curtain. But jews were not the actors that we saw. They didn't have to be the actors because brainwashed, radical, hate-filled Arabs were willing to take the spotlight. You just can't get that because you firmly believe that "arab good, jew bad" mantra.

People who are supporters of this theory are researchers like Alan Hart and Ryan Dawson, to name just the two. There's many other serious researchers who subscribe to this theory since it actually fits the evidence and doesn't require magical missiles, fake arabs, aliens, god, suspension of reality, etc. to work. Also, it doesn't exonerate Arabs and make them innocent victims in all this.

You seem to prefer the simplistic, nuance-less, black & white, version of the story in which the jews were actors, producers, directors and Arabs were nowhere to be found. All the Arabs were actually dressed up jews with a painted "brownface" and so on.

5) Even though you made videos about Jewish history of terrorism, you don't seem to understand the basic evolution of Mossad's false flag operational doctrine. You've gotten all the facts right in those videos but your understanding of them is superficial and shallow.

In some of the first false flags that Mossad orchestrated, for example the King David hotel bombing, it was the jews that were men on the ground and it was the jews that pulled the trigger. And they were found out. Jews also attacked USS Liberty. And were found out. They realized this was a bad plan and needed to be improved.

Then the JFK assassination happened and Mossad used a different ploy: find a willing non-jewish patsy and enable them to succeed at their task and stay in the shadows and pull the second trigger if necessary... but make sure the patsy gets the blame and the credit. If the patsy gets caught, Mossad's hands were clean. This was the perfect false flag.

OK City plan was similar but the patsy wasn't that great and the response of the US was not directed at the right target. Remember the talk about how it was the work of Arabs and how Clinton didn't go along with it? Michael Collins Piper explains it in detail and who McVeigh's Zionist handler was. Patsy lived and was white and that was the problem. Result was a successful operation but a failed false flag.

The operational thought that went into 9/11 was further refined. They found the perfect patsies: hate-filled fundamentalist Muslims who wanted to harm US and they used them and enabled them and made sure they succeed. This time, the America's response and anger would be directed at proper targets.

This is why it's silly to think that jews were the hijackers. It would have been  not only extremely dangerous for them to be on the plane (if they were caught) but also unnecessary and would go against the 50 years of knowledge they've accumulated through successes and failures of their previous false flags. Say what you want about Mossad but they're not morons. It's absurd to suggest that they would repeat old mistakes. And this is why your theory is not based in reality.

Can you comprehend any of this or am I wasting my time because your mind if set and you can't see past the jew-hate lenses?

Regarding 9/11, Hart suggested that while there may have been some original terrorist plot conceived by fellow-travelers of Osama Bin Laden, the Israeli Mossad, with its near-total penetration of Middle Eastern governments and terrorist groups alike, would have quickly detected and hijacked the operation to its own ends, orchestrating a spectacularly successful attack on America designed to be blamed on its Arab and Muslim enemies. Hart added that the Mossad operation that became 9/11 would have been aided and abetted by certain corrupt American leaders.

[mp3:259sguu2]http://www.radiodujour.com/mp3/20100525-kevin-barrett-alan-hart.mp3[/mp3:259sguu2]

Or you can watch Ryan's movie War by Deception if you prefer long videos.

Let me reiterate again: if you want a response from me, argue by writing your version of the story that contradicts mine and don't post dozens of hours of irrelevant video and other stuff that doesn't falsify anything I've posted.

[joeblow]

You know what actually is propaganda? The stuff you seem to be promoting about how there's no radical muslims, how arabs had nothing to do with 9/11 etc.

Arabs absolutely were involved with 9/11, they were the patsies needed to absorb the blame. Whether the Arabs were Muslims or Freemasons (a religion in of itself) is quite another issue, let us not mix ethnicity with religion.

That's all Arab media propaganda designed to remove the blame from the fact that Arabs were aboard those planes. You seem to think that Arabs are always good and jews are always bad. You live in the fantasy world where everything's either black or white. The reality, however, is composed of shades of grey. Yes, radical arabs do exist and their hate is real. Not all of them are jews dressed up in arab gowns with keffiyeh yelling "Allahu Akbar" and "Death to America."

Yes, the same Arab media that controls Hollywood and has enormous sway over the minds of most Americans...not! I actually am from the Middle-east and do watch Arab media and have almost never heard them deny that Arabs were aboard the planes, if you know of such instances, then please supply links and/or sources. As soon as the U.N. troops have invaded America, then one should not be surprised to see radical Americans wearing baseball caps shouting "God bless the U.S.A.!" while killing the invaders with real hate.

You say you're not an Arab sympathizer and yet your theory about how no Arabs were involved in 9/11 is straight out of Arab media bedtime stories for sheep herders who can't even read. The number of witnesses who saw 9/11 hijackers at AlQaeda training camps is significant. Even Osama's personal bodyguard Abu Jandal says he saw Mohammed Atta and rest of the conspirators were at the camp. German intelligence also has evidence that Atta met with Osama and trained in Afghanistan.

Oy vey, again with the massive Arab media with a target audience of sheep hearders who easily fool 9/11 Truthers! I do not really understand how seeing the hijackers at a camp in Afghanistan can be conclusive evidence that they were aboard the planes, I personally put more faith in the video survellince at the airport, but Alles das Seine (to each his own). I would like to see the evidence the BND has, give a link, thanks.

I know, I know... anyone whose testimony doesn't fit with your theory is lying or is a dirty jew. So all this is just a bunch of jew lies. Arabs love Christians, whenever Arab kills a Christian that's actually a dressed up jew trying to frame a poor Arab. Whenever some radical Imam goes to a Mosque to preach hate against kaffir, that's just a dirty jew trying to smear Arabs. I bet a dirty jew put hundreds and hundreds of quotes against kaffirs into Quran!

I can not speak for him, but I always to be as pleasent as possible to those who disagree with my theories, I convert a lot more of the uninformed that way. I am pretty sure that most Arab Christians do love other Christians whether or not they are Arabs, but if you know of a group of Arab Christians who do not, create a new thread about them. Your knowledge of the Arabic language seems to be lacking, kuffaar (plural of kaafir) is defined as someone who is not monotheistic, it is a word which Arab Christians also use. Well, you would be shocked to find out that the Bible, even the New Testament, cautions the believers about the kuffaar.

Yep, all this radical Muslim hate against America is a figment of my imagination.

No, it is not. I am Muslim and a rather radical person who hates America.

We all know that Mohammed Atta's on some beach in Rio basking in the sun.

He possibly could be, Steve Pieczenik has recently stated that Saddam Hussein was not executed and in all likelyhood lives somewhere in Central Asia.

Your theory that jews boarded those planes is so ludicrous that it boggles my mind. Why would these crafty and devious jews die in a suicide mission when a fundamentalist Arabs who hates West and America is ready to become a martyr and is ready to die for their cause??? Oh wait, no Arab is ready to blow himself up for martyrdom. My bad.

Jews are human beings after all and do have the propensity for suicidal missions: the Bat Ayin Terrorist Cell, Baruch Goldstein, Irv Rubin, Yigal Amir, etc. Like I have stated previously, when the U.S.A. is invaded by the New World Order troops, do not be suprised by the number of fundamentalists who will hate Israel and be ready to become martyrs who are ready to die for their cause. Your bad.

9/11 can be understood by first realizing that there's propaganda from all sides: from Mossad, from CIA, from Arabs/ISI/AlQaeda etc. Taking one side's story to be the whole truth and nothing but the truth, when it doesn't even fit the evidence, is illogical and foolish. Also, not everything that one side says is a lie. US government doesn't lie 100% of the time. Neither does Mossad or ISI or Arab propaganda machine. Lies are always embedded in a body of truth. That's how the propaganda works! This is how Alex Jones operates! You don't seem to understand that.

That makes good sense when one understands that the best propaganda is made up mostly of the truth. But this Arab propaganda machine which you keep on harping about, I really know of no such creature, the Arab media to this very day continues to be mostly anti-9/11 Truth. Alex Jones' main modus operandi is to usually omit rather then flat out lie when Jews are involved.

Facts are that radical Arabs did board those planes and did hijack them and did fly them into buildings (guided or unguided). Facts is that Mossad knew about the operation and did everything they could to help them succeed by removing all of the obstacles in front of them. Jewish owned media also pinned the blame on AlQ and Arabs as soon as those planes hit the towers. It was a perfect play, a false flag, designed to get the stupid goyim to fight Arabs for Americans.

Here we shall definitely disagree, since I am of the opinion that it was an OUTSIDE not INSIDE job. 9/11 was an Israeli terrorist attack made possible by dual-citizen Jews in the U.S.A. with the help of American traitors in the Military and Intelligence Agencies. It was desigened to get the stupid American Goyim to fight Arabs for Jews.

But a deeper and more important story is that Mossad and US neocons were the producers of this grand play and they made sure it went without a hitch. They were the force behind the curtain. But jews were not the actors that we saw. They didn't have to be the actors because brainwashed, radical, hate-filled Arabs were willing to take the spotlight. You just can't get that because you firmly believe that "arab good, jew bad" mantra.

The 9-11 Patsies were Intelligence Assets who had been working for the U.S. Government, here is a good site which explains it better than I: http://911review.org/Wiki/HijackersPatsies.shtml There could have also been Jews aboard the planes, but I shall not speculate, I prefer facts. In this current age we live in, I think it is a good rule of thumb to say "arab good, jew bad", one will be more successful in business dealings and personal life.

People who are supporters of this theory are researchers like Alan Hart and Ryan Dawson, to name just the two. There's many other serious researchers who subscribe to this theory since it actually fits the evidence and doesn't require magical missiles, fake arabs, aliens, god, suspension of reality, etc. to work. Also, it doesn't exonerate Arabs and make them innocent victims in all this.

So, because there were Arabs involved, that means that, despite the fact that their countries were invaded and destroyed by the lie of 9/11, they can never be innocent victims? Makes as much sense as saying Jews are biologically predisposed to commit more evil than other humans.

In some of the first false flags that Mossad orchestrated, for example the King David hotel bombing, it was the jews that were men on the ground and it was the jews that pulled the trigger. And they were found out. Jews also attacked USS Liberty. And were found out. They realized this was a bad plan and needed to be improved.

Then the JFK assassination happened and Mossad used a different ploy: find a willing non-jewish patsy and enable them to succeed at their task and stay in the shadows and pull the second trigger if necessary... but make sure the patsy gets the blame and the credit. If the patsy gets caught, Mossad's hands were clean. This was the perfect false flag.

I concur with you completely, you are totally right.

OK City plan was similar but the patsy wasn't that great and the response of the US was not directed at the right target. Remember the talk about how it was the work of Arabs and how Clinton didn't go along with it? Michael Collins Piper explains it in detail and who McVeigh's Zionist handler was. Patsy lived and was white and that was the problem. Result was a successful operation but a failed false flag.

I can not remember right now, but I am very sure that they used Iraqi ex-Nationals also...oops, I exposed that Arabs were involved in a terror attack, shame on me!

The operational thought that went into 9/11 was further refined. They found the perfect patsies: hate-filled fundamentalist Muslims who wanted to harm US and they used them and enabled them and made sure they succeed. This time, the America's response and anger would be directed at proper targets.

As a hate-filled Muslim, I can correct the consistent error that you make that the patsies were fundamentalists. There is numerous eye-witnesses who state they had seen them drinking, doing drugs, and convorting with strippers before the False-flag.

This is why it's silly to think that jews were the hijackers. It would have been not only extremely dangerous for them to be on the plane (if they were caught) but also unnecessary and would go against the 50 years of knowledge they've accumulated through successes and failures of their previous false flags. Say what you want about Mossad but they're not morons. It's absurd to suggest that they would repeat old mistakes. And this is why your theory is not based in reality.

I do not know, but nothing which you have state precludes the presense of Jews among the hijackers, but for me, it is not really a big deal. We should not make the same mistake as the JFK Assissination researchers have done, i.e. focusing too much on HOW instead of WHO.

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

I spent 30 minutes writing a reply to your post and when I hit submit, I got the error page and lost the post. Here's a shorter version.

All you had to do is hit the back button to go back to your post. Then C/P it into a word file to make sure you don't lose it.

1) You seem to be employing the Alex Jones method of arguing: throw out much stuff as you can and muddy the waters as much as you can. How about we don't play that silly game?

What the hell are you talking about? I addressed ur every point in a simple manner explaining why you are wrong. You can't just call any information you don't want to acknowledge "muddying the waters" and bring out disingenuous Alex Jones analogies. Your debate MO is denial, strawman arguments and character assassination, and that's only your first point, lmao.

2) If you cannot write few coherent paragraphs disputing what I wrote, don't bother posting hours and hours of video. I've seen them and unless you can tell me what your point is, I will not watch them again and waste my time. None of them disprove this theory anyway since you don't seem to understand it.

Hours and Hours of videos? those vids are less than 30 min altogether and are simple examples of how the Zionist Neo-Cons and Israelis were all over the Jewish-owned media blaming "Bin Laden" for 9/11 within 30 minutes of the second tower being hit. A planned piece of disinfo by the real (Israeli/Jewish) perpetrators. Yet you BELIEVE them!? That's how 'false flags' work, Mike. Plant the seed in the public consciousness early on for who is going to be blamed. They had Oswald's mug all over the papers the day after the JFK assassination saying 'case closed lone-nut Oswald killed Kennedy'. Same MO with Bin Laden. My point was quite clear.

3) I "fell for "propaganda"? Whose propaganda is that? Do you even know what propaganda is? I don't hear Alex Jones promoting my theory. I don't hear Mossad promoting this theory. I don't hear CIA promoting it either.  I don't hear ISI and Arab media promoting it. So whose propaganda am I promoting?!

You are promoting the propaganda of the Jewish owned mainstream media that Muslims hijacked four jetliners, crashed two of them into the twin towers and the other into the most protected building on earth, the Pentagon, even though they were crappy pilots. What you are saying is minimally different than what Ehud Barak was saying on the BBC on 9/11. You blame bin laden, and say 'Al Qaeda' is real. How is your position any different than the Jewish-owned mainstream media and the Jewish-controlled US gov't?

You know what actually is propaganda? The stuff you seem to be promoting about how there's no radical muslims, how arabs had nothing to do with 9/11 etc.

When did I say there are no radical muslims? I never said it. What I did indeed say was that there were no radical muslims invovled in 9/11, 1) because they couldn't physically produce the effects observed on 9/11 and 2) because the evidence overwhelmingly suggests that the Zionists organized an intricately planned false-flag operation using Arab patsies as fall guys to induce a US invasion of the middle-east. The ninteen oswalds blamed for 9/11 weren't even 'devout Muslims'. They were binge drinking, chain smoking, bar hopping, prostitute loving party animals who conveniently leave Korans behind at the bar. This is comical that you believe these Mossad fakers were "Islamic fundamentalists".  :lol:

That's all Arab media propaganda designed to remove the blame from the fact that Arabs were aboard those planes. You seem to think that Arabs are always good and jews are always bad. You live in the fantasy world where everything's either black or white. The reality, however, is composed of shades of grey. Yes, radical arabs do exist and their hate is real. Not all of them are jews dressed up in arab gowns with keffiyeh yelling "Allahu Akbar" and "Death to America."

And what evidence do you have that Arab al qaeda suicide bombers were aboard those planes? Did that magical explosion-surviving Muslim passport clinch it for ya? Why bring a passport on a domestic flight, Mike? Or the indestructable red bandanas from flight 93?  :think: Please show us the surveillance videos from the proper airports showing these guys boarding the correct flights. All the gov't gave us was Atta at the wrong airport, and another vid of hanjour that doesn't even have timestamps, therefore is a fake.

4) You say you're not an Arab sympathizer and yet your theory about how no Arabs were involved in 9/11 is straight out of Arab media bedtime stories for  sheep herders who can't even read. The number of witnesses who saw 9/11 hijackers at AlQaeda training camps is significant. Even Osama's personal bodyguard Abu Jandal says he saw Mohammed Atta and rest of the conspirators were at the camp. German intelligence also has evidence that Atta met with Osama and trained in Afghanistan.

Is that the same Atta who was a bonafide club hopping, drug dealing, chain smoking 'gangster' in Florida who spoke fluent Hebrew?

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=10751
http://www.madcowprod.com/102204issue.htm

Atta was a wealthy, chain smoking, drug dealing psychopath who dressed like a mobster. And that's not even the good stuff.

I know, I know... anyone whose testimony doesn't fit with your theory is lying or is a dirty jew.

You can find testimony that Saddam had biological and chemical weapons too. Do you believe that also? How does this prove Al Qaeda did 9/11? And what do you have to say about the fact that the Atta dwelling in Florida (accused of being the 9/11 ringleader) was nothing like the 'Atta' who is described as a quiet, pious Muslim? At some point the real Atta was probabably killed then swapped with the Mossad actor.

And what about the fact that 6 of these 'Muslim hijackers' tunred up alive and well in the middle east. They saw their names, pics and birth dates flashed on TV and said they had their passports stolen. Another one of the 'Arab hijackers' actually died a year before 9/11 in a plane crash. ---> http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/dec ... ities.html

 

So all this is just a bunch of jew lies.

Well as we all know, Jews don't lie. So you must be right.   :lol:  

Yep, all this radical Muslim hate against America is a figment of my imagination.

Again, how does the fact that some Muslims hate America prove that the US was attacked by 19 muslims with boxcutters, directed by a guy in a cave?

We all know that Mohammed Atta's on some beach in Rio basking in the sun.

No, the real Atta is probably dead. The Mossad impostor Atta might actually be doing that.

Your theory that jews boarded those planes is so ludicrous that it boggles my mind. Why would these crafty and devious jews die in a suicide mission when a fundamentalist Arabs who hates West and America is ready to become a martyr and is ready to die for their cause??? Oh wait, no Arab is ready to blow himself up for martyrdom. My bad.

Who said it was a suicide mission? The evidence suggests that the Mossad agents who hijacked the planes, such as Daniel Lewin, landed them at Stewart Air Force Base and swapped them for remote control drones. The flight paths of the two planes that struck the twin towers oddly converged over the recently privatized Stewat Air Force Base, which was pushed into privitization by none other than Ronald Lauder, the Jewish billionaire who is also responsible for the push to privatize the WTC. I wrote all this in the Israel Did 9/11 thread. Did you even read it?

9/11 can be understood by first realizing that there's propaganda from all sides: from Mossad, from CIA, from Arabs/ISI/AlQaeda etc.

That may be true if Al Qaeda was a real organization. Too bad Al Qaeda is fake, and a front for the CIA/Mossad. If Al Qaeda is so real then why do they need a Zionist Jew, Adam Pearlman, to play dress up to produce all of their "America-hating" videos? And why is Rita Katz, the Zionist Jewess head of SITE Intel Group always the one to 'obtain' these scary Al Qaeda videos and translate them to fit whatever propaganda the Mossad is pushing at the time? All of your information about 'Islamic terrorism' comes from Jewish media & Zionist-controlled organizations like SITE Intel Group and Intel Center. I bet if the Lavon Affair went as planned you'd be blaming Muslims for that one too.

You seem to question the reality of the grand play that we were shown on 9/11 when you should be looking at who the puppet masters were. Yes, the actors in the play are real people. Yes those actors were Arab. And the play really did happen.

Actually those actors were Arab-looking Israeli Mossad agents leaving a false trail behind them on purpose.

Facts are that radical Arabs did board those planes and did hijack them and did fly them into buildings (guided or unguided).

That's not a fact. There's scant evidence that any Arabs boarded the planes. Where are the airport security videos? Of the two released one showed the Atta imposter at the wrong airport (Portland). The other didn't even have timestamps on it, and is a fake. The facts are that at least 6 of the 19 Muslim Oswalds turned up alive and well in the middle east, victims of identity theft (a Mossad tactic). One of them was dead prior to 9/11.

But a deeper and more important story is that Mossad and US neocons were the producers of this grand play and they made sure it went without a hitch. They were the force behind the curtain. But jews were not the actors that we saw.

And that's how they produce such spectacles. The people you see (the Oswalds) are not part of the play, they are dupes set up to take the fall. They really have nothing and/or very little to do with the overall scheme.

They didn't have to be the actors because brainwashed, radical, hate-filled Arabs were willing to take the spotlight.

That's already been debunked. The planted paper passport, the planted red bandanas, the planted Atta suitcase, the planted rental car w/ Arabic-language flight manuals, the planted Korans at the bar in Florida. This was all designed to implicate Arabs. If Arabs did it, why the need to plant all this evidence? You believe all of this blatantly phony evidence is real and that these apparently genius Arabs were at the same time dumb enough to leave such obvious clues behind them. Ridiculous.

People who are supporters of this theory are researchers like Alan Hart and Ryan Dawson, to name just the two. There's many other serious researchers who subscribe to this theory since it actually fits the evidence and doesn't require magical missiles, fake arabs, aliens, god, suspension of reality, etc. to work. Also, it doesn't exonerate Arabs and make them innocent victims in all this.

Actually Dawson agrees with me that many of these "Arabs" were Mossad agents impersonating Muslims, including Atta.

"100% proof! Atta had a double 911 Israeli false flag"
http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/v ... php?t=2536

You seem to prefer the simplistic, nuance-less, black & white, version of the story in which the jews were actors, producers, directors and Arabs were nowhere to be found. All the Arabs were actually dressed up jews with a painted "brownface" and so on.

The evidence suggests that to be the case with 9/11. And many Israelis look 'brown-faced' and can pass for Arabs.

5) Even though you made videos about Jewish history of terrorism, you don't seem to understand the basic evolution of Mossad's false flag operational doctrine. You've gotten all the facts right in those videos but your understanding of them is superficial and shallow.

In some of the first false flags that Mossad orchestrated, for example the King David hotel bombing, it was the jews that were men on the ground and it was the jews that pulled the trigger. And they were found out. Jews also attacked USS Liberty. And were found out. They realized this was a bad plan and needed to be improved.

Then the JFK assassination happened and Mossad used a different ploy: find a willing non-jewish patsy and enable them to succeed at their task and stay in the shadows and pull the second trigger if necessary... but make sure the patsy gets the blame and the credit. If the patsy gets caught, Mossad's hands were clean. This was the perfect false flag.

OK City plan was similar but the patsy wasn't that great and the response of the US was not directed at the right target. Remember the talk about how it was the work of Arabs and how Clinton didn't go along with it? Michael Collins Piper explains it in detail and who McVeigh's Zionist handler was. Patsy lived and was white and that was the problem. Result was a successful operation but a failed false flag.

Cute story Mike but 9/11 required expertise that some rag-tag Arabs simply did not have. Do you honestly think the Mossad would risk blowing the operation by trusting some amateur Arabs with hardly any experience flying commercial aircraft to "get the job done"? A thousand things could have gone wrong. The thing would have flopped in a second. The Mossad had to GUARANTEE SUCCESS on 9/11. This black op required professional Israeli commandos, trained in airplane hijackings, and Israeli demolition experts. No if's and's or but's about it.

The operational thought that went into 9/11 was further refined. They found the perfect patsies: hate-filled fundamentalist Muslims who wanted to harm US and they used them and enabled them and made sure they succeed. This time, the America's response and anger would be directed at proper targets.

The preponderance of the evidence debunks any Arab involvement. We find planted evidence, phony trails left behind on purpose, an attempted frame up of Palestinians for the GW bridge bomb, instant blaming of Bin Laden by Jew-media. And, most importantly, the Arabs didn't have the experience to pilot those planes. Who demolished the buildings BTW, Mike?

This is why it's silly to think that jews were the hijackers. It would have been  not only extremely dangerous for them to be on the plane (if they were caught) but also unnecessary and would go against the 50 years of knowledge they've accumulated through successes and failures of their previous false flags. Say what you want about Mossad but they're not morons. It's absurd to suggest that they would repeat old mistakes. And this is why your theory is not based in reality.

No it's not. The only people capable enough to hijack four airliners simultaneously were Israeli Sayerat Matkal teams. Daniel Lewin, an Israeli Sayerat Matkal was on one of the planes. I bet that's just a coincidence? How did these amateur Arab terrorists get inside the LOCKED cockpits of four jetliners with nothing more than boxcutters, MIke? The intricacies of a hijack scenario casts serious doubt on Arabs w/ boxcutters. Did the passengers just sit back and watch as their plane was flown into the towers? If Arabs hijacked the planes then the US gov't would have released the black boxes. The FBI confiscated the black boxes found at the WTC and said they never found them. Why's that Mike? And also the gov't released an audio tape from flight 11 with someone they accuse of being Mohammed Atta. The person on the recording has an Israeli-Hebrew accent, not an Arabic one. It just so happens that the Atta living in Florida spoke fluent Hebrew according to his girlfiend Amanda Keller.

Can you comprehend any of this or am I wasting my time because your mind if set and you can't see past the jew-hate lenses?

Jew-hate lenses lol
Your silly story is a based on phony evidence planted by Mossad. There are so many problems with the 'Arab hijacker' story, it's not even funny.

Let me reiterate again: if you want a response from me, argue by writing your version of the story that contradicts mine and don't post dozens of hours of irrelevant video and other stuff that doesn't falsify anything I've posted.

 :lol:  :clap:
I wrote my version which does contradict and debunk yours. I didn't post "dozens of hours of video". That's an Elie Wiesel "geysers of blood" style exaggeration. And the videos were absolutely relevant. I was proving a point about how Israelis and Jewish Neo-Cons INSTANTLY blamed Osama Bin Laden for 9/11, within 30 minutes of the attack. Yet you not only don't find that suspect, but actually BELIEVE THEM. Truly amazing.

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

To sum up simply why there were no Arab hijackers (besides the obvious proofs of Mossad planting evidence to implicate Muslims), I would say that an operation as sophisticated as 9/11 required EXPERTS and PROFESSIONALS to perform the job, from start to finish, to ENSURE SUCCESS.  The 9/11 op required professionals trained in the art of hijacking airplanes, and expert pilots. Arab amateurs w/ boxcutters did not fit the bill in either case. The Mossad would never in a million years have put the whole 9/11 operation in jeopardy by entrusting 19 arabs with no experience hijacking planes and hardly any experience flying commericial jets (let alone into buildings), to perform that part of the operation. Remote guidance ensured the planes hit their targets. Israeli demolition experts ensured the buildings came down.

As for the whole Judy Wood/DEW hypothesis, I'll say this. When I first got into 9/11 conspiracies a couple years back I noticed that a majority (if not all) the ppl really pushing the laser beams/DEW hypothesis were also pushing "no planes @ wtc", "tv fakery" or "holograms" and most of them were also BLACK POPERS (Jesuits-did-it crowd). You'll notice a lot of these less-evidence theories tend to overlap.

A space laser didn't produce these squibs. Explosives did.







These pics below are of the WTC lobby after the plane hit. The windows are all blown out and the walls were covered in a white dust. You can see this footage in the Naudet bros documentary where the firemen are walking through the WTC lobby and were baffled by the damage to the lobby. The plane hitting on the 80th floor did not cause the damage to the lobby. Clearly explosives were set off in the lobby or under the lobby to blow the central pillars to prep for the demolition. This was done probably at the exact moment the plane hit to disguise the sound and confuse people about what caused the explosion they just heard.





We can absolutely prove explosives were used in the trade towers. We have physical evidence, video evidence, photographic evidence and plenty of eyewitness testimony to secondary explosions going off. That's all that is required to debunk the official story. Drifting off into these far-fetched theories about space lasers doesn't do much good at all, and in my opinion is standard CIA/Mossad planted disinfo. Like the JFK assassination, the Jewish/Zionist perps promulgated all kinds of contradictory stories and "theories" out there to muddy the waters. Obviously they'd do the same thing with 9/11.

[Yo Mama]

As for the whole Judy Wood/DEW hypothesis, I'll say this. When I first got into 9/11 conspiracies a couple years back I noticed that a majority (if not all) the ppl really pushing the laser beams/DEW hypothesis were also pushing "no planes @ wtc", "tv fakery" or "holograms" and most of them were also BLACK POPERS (Jesuits-did-it crowd). You'll notice a lot of these less-evidence theories tend to overlap.

Yes, you're right.  This stuff is usually promoted by the Black Poper imbeciles.



Stop posting anti-Semitic pictures like this!   :lol:

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

To sum up simply why there were no Arab hijackers (besides the obvious proofs of Mossad planting evidence to implicate Muslims), I would say that an operation as sophisticated as 9/11 required EXPERTS and PROFESSIONALS to perform the job, from start to finish, to ENSURE SUCCESS.  The 9/11 op required professionals trained in the art of hijacking airplanes, and expert pilots. Arab amateurs w/ boxcutters did not fit the bill in either case. The Mossad would never in a million years have put the whole 9/11 operation in jeopardy by entrusting 19 arabs with no experience hijacking planes and hardly any experience flying commericial jets (let alone into buildings), to perform that part of the operation. Remote guidance ensured the planes hit their targets. Israeli demolition experts ensured the buildings came down.

As for the whole Judy Wood/DEW hypothesis, I'll say this. When I first got into 9/11 conspiracies a couple years back I noticed that a majority (if not all) the ppl really pushing the laser beams/DEW hypothesis were also pushing "no planes @ wtc", "tv fakery" or "holograms" and most of them were also BLACK POPERS (Jesuits-did-it crowd). You'll notice a lot of these less-evidence theories tend to overlap.

A space laser didn't produce these squibs. Explosives did.

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We can absolutely prove explosives were used in the trade towers. We have physical evidence, video evidence, photographic evidence and plenty of eyewitness testimony to secondary explosions going off. That's all that is required to debunk the official story. Drifting off into these far-fetched theories about space lasers doesn't do much good at all, and in my opinion is standard CIA/Mossad planted disinfo. Like the JFK assassination, the Jewish/Zionist perps promulgated all kinds of contradictory stories and "theories" out there to muddy the waters. Obviously they'd do the same thing with 9/11.

Keep in mind your physics books and the following. Explosives don't do this. If you can explain it clearly how these came about via Thermate-Thermite-Other types of explosives... don't hesitate to point it out. Judy Woods is pretty naive.  She's associated with a lot of crap artists that point to "Who did it" as Bush/Queen/Nazis/Black Popers/NWO/Jesuits/BullsWithSh*tArtists/NoPlanes --- much to her story's detriment. She has some inexplicable photos unless you look at DEW contractors like SAIC, Lockheed, etc. who actually have built these things. I don't think that it is a "laser" whatsoever... but possibly another type of weapon all together.  With a weapon like this they had the confidence they could launch wars without a major hitch. Charges could have been set but if it was a complete Cutter Charge operation... alot more debris would have resulted in huge piles of "blocks" of material just crumpled up, going up, for a few stories high. This is a massive amount of material to displace.

Also, there wasn't a massive "Earthquake Signature" when the towers went down ...      

Physics that can do this and then the tires here not blow???  :wtf:

http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam5.html


Where's the engine? (Get the physics book??? ....)





 (How? The People running for their lives from these JEW CRIMES on 9/11 would have BURNED TO DEATH as the DUST CLOUDS enveloped them if these cars were ruined by "Explosives"... don't you think???.... ). I think this was the card "up the sleeve"...   :think:

How did these fires start and NOT ROAST PEOPLE ALIVE IN THE STREETS of NY??? (Physics book....)

Figure 41. This toasted interior of car 2723 was consumed except for the fire extinguisher. How does a car rust that fast on the inside? If it had been on fire, shouldn't we see a blackened-burned appearance? Instead, we see a tremendous amount of rust on the inside of the car. Why is that?

Though she was duped and a little naive about "Who" did this. I agree with Dr. Wood's following statement... and hey ... Blow this "Sky-high" if you can...

In the debate over toasted cars ignited by this article, some have argued that the wrecked vehicles on FDR drive were damaged at the WTC and were loaded up and transported and dumped on FDR drive for storage. First, there is no evidence that this was done. Second, it makes no sense to load up wrecks, transport them, only to dump them in a busy thoroughfare for storage. These wrecks would have had to be picked up yet again and transported again. If vehicles were truly moved from the WTC to FDR Drive, we wonder why WTC steel beams were not stacked up on FDR drive, as well, if it was such a good storage area. Third, governments may be stupid, but we doubt they could be this inefficient. If reported, it would have been a minor scandal. Fourth, we might be wrong about the facts here, but it looks like the motive for this speculation about shifting wrecks around lower Manhattan is to protect the official story or thermite story or other pet theories. We fail to see any other explanation for such a "forced" interpretation for these photographs. Fifth, marks on the roadway suggest that some of these vehicles were pushed to the side of the roadway until they could be removed. For example, see this figure. This is a more natural explanation for why some of the cars appear to have been moved from where they were damaged rather than all the way from the WTC.

[Yo Mama]

Uh oh, it looks like some of the people on TIU are buying into the "Nazi Catholic laser space beam" stuff.   :roll:

You guys are just lucky that Jebus didn't come back today and kill everyone.  

CNN reports: Jesus returns on May 21, 2011
http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=124681&page=5

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Uh oh, it looks like some of the people on TIU are buying into the "Nazi Catholic laser space beam" stuff.   :roll:

You guys are just lucky that Jebus didn't come back today and kill everyone.  

CNN reports: Jesus returns on May 21, 2011
http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=124681&page=5

YM... I believe 9/11 was done by NeoCon Jews and their Puppets... but they had a card up their sleeve. An "Ace" so to speak... and that's probably why the Talmudics are still power today... this has more to do with weapons system manufacturers, materials science and physics than "Nazi/Black Pope/Jew Shill Story coverup B.S. surrounding Judy Woods/John Hutchinson".  

Dr. Wood's may partially have the "How" correct, but she has the "Who" completely wrong IMHO.  We know who did it. It has nothing to do with Lasers but more with Casimir forces and Statics. I still don't think she is a Jew either, but I could be wrong about it. I don't believe the Thermate/Thermite theory just because for all the damage out there, there weren't many "toasted" people who burned to death from Thermite/Thermate -- even a few embers of it landing on them from the Towers.   A few possibly died from burns,  but not in the numbers expected by looking at all these cars that far away after the towers started going down.   Open a Physics text book... look at Newton's theories...explain the photos which are definitely not photoshopped.


Jesus has his eye on you Y.M. ---

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

 (How? The People running for their lives from these JEW CRIMES on 9/11 would have BURNED TO DEATH as the DUST CLOUDS enveloped them if these cars were ruined by "Explosives"... don't you think???.... ). I think this was the card "up the sleeve"...   :think:

CSR, A lot of these disfigured/toasted cars were obviously originally parked much closer to the towers and took the full extent of the massive amount of building debris hurled down on top of them during the collapse, and they probably were on fire/burned for some time. Looks like they were just moved later and lined up along the side of the road like that. I don't understand why they would go out of their way to toast a bunch of cars with a DEW weapon. Seems pointless and unnecessary, IMHO. If they used a DEW weapon, wouldn't we find evidence of people fried to the bone as well?

It's easily demonstrable that explosives were used to help bring down the towers & building 7. The official story is toast after that. Any conspiracy theorizing beyond explosives is overkill and much of it is disinfo, IMHO. Mini-nukes is possible, but nobody will be able to prove it in the end. I'll stick with what we can prove, and we can prove explosives. Plus the DEW hypothesis tends to try to rule out the use of conventional explosives, which basically is an attempt to cover up for Israel and the Mossad truck bombs. Mossad likely used the Urban Moving Systems front company to transport explosives into the towers.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

 (How? The People running for their lives from these JEW CRIMES on 9/11 would have BURNED TO DEATH as the DUST CLOUDS enveloped them if these cars were ruined by "Explosives"... don't you think???.... ). I think this was the card "up the sleeve"...   :think:

CSR, A lot of these disfigured/toasted cars were obviously originally parked much closer to the towers and took the full extent of the massive amount of building debris hurled down on top of them during the collapse, and they probably were on fire/burned for some time. Looks like they were just moved later and lined up along the side of the road like that. I don't understand why they would go out of their way to toast a bunch of cars with a DEW weapon. Seems pointless and unnecessary, IMHO. If they used a DEW weapon, wouldn't we find evidence of people fried to the bone as well?

Nope. If there were Explosives (which you haven't specified the type)... they would have left hundreds of half burnt bodies all over the towers as they came down. Ever sit around a camp fire?  What if 1,000,000s of camp fires were dumped from the towers (BTU) terms?  Dead-burnt bodies result. But alas, we have "melted" cars from the "same" fires. Inexplicable with just "explosives".   A simple car fire can explain some of the "damage" to these cars but not all of it. There is some other factor in play. The heat would have been trememdous for a very long time to do this kind of complete damage, the firemen walking around downtown would have turned into Brunt Toast... but they didn't. Right? Heat that hot that melts an engine would have melted a lot of things.  I think the cars in the parking lot are critical to this... how did they catch fire? A little lit debris from the Towers-Jet Fuel explosions?   (..get the physics book...  :think: ) .  Half of the cars melted to the core and  the other half just fine?  Engine fires but not Gas tank explosions? Weird physics...

It's easily demonstrable that explosives were used to help bring down the towers & building 7. The official story is toast after that. Any conspiracy theorizing beyond explosives is overkill and much of it is disinfo, IMHO. Mini-nukes is possible, but nobody will be able to prove it in the end. I'll stick with what we can prove, and we can prove explosives. Plus the DEW hypothesis tends to try to rule out the use of conventional explosives, which basically is an attempt to cover up for Israel and the Mossad truck bombs. Mossad likely used the Urban Moving Systems front company to transport

 explosives into the towers.

Not really, the WTC complex was in the "Bathtub" below sea level,  if any kind of "Nuke" was used, it would have flooded lower NY that day. If the towers were "blown", the Bathtub would have fallen in.