Charles Guliani - Jesus was a zionist zealot?

[mgt23]

Charles Guliani, famous for the zionism 101 audios and up until last year a christian; has now come out against christianity as a jewish cult and part of the zionist entity. Check out the audios and i'd be interested what peoples opinions are on the subject.

http://www.oraclebroadcasting.com/archi ... ruth_Hertz

http://mp3.oraclebroadcasting.com/Truth ... 02_16k.mp3
     Was Jesus a zionist zealot? Part 2

http://mp3.oraclebroadcasting.com/Truth ... 31_16k.mp3
     Was Jesus a zionist zealot?

[Yo Mama]

That's good to hear.  Maybe Charles Giuliani is increasing his knowledge and understanding of the Jewish problem.

But he needs to be made aware that there is no real evidence that Jesus existed as a historical person.  The Jesus myth found in the four gospels is mostly a borrowing(plagiarizing) of four things:

1.  stories from the Torah(Old Testament)

2.  the writings of Josephus

3.  contemporary Latin novels

4.  stories of pagan savior deities

[Yo Mama]

For instance, here is a great blog which documents the extensive copying of Old Testament stories by the New Testament gospel writers when they were creating their Jesus myth:

Evidence that Jesus is a Myth, Part 1: The Elijah/Elisha Connection
http://jesusisamyth.blogspot.com/

Evidence that Jesus is a Myth, Part 2: Likely OT Sources
http://jesusisamyth.blogspot.com/2010/02/1.html

Evidence that Jesus is a Myth, Part 3: Indisputable OT Sources
http://jesusisamyth.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... id_14.html

[mgt23]

its important as he's saying that the essene sect was a jewish zionist sect and in collusion with josephus plotted to take over the roman empire. just because they were against the sanhedrin doesnt mean to say they themselves didnt exalt Israel and hence are zionist. i just thought it was interesting because it would mean a different level to the conspiracy that the jews took over the catholic church not just with the jesuits under marrano loyola, but from the start, christianity was a jewish conspiracy. (also starting not from armenia but from britain under joseph of arimethea.) Since Gord has his zio 101 lectures on his site, i want to know after people listen to these audios what christians think.

[GordZilla]

I know you didn't mean this 'Gord' but I'd like to throw my two cents in;

Organized religion sucks, we all agree on that I think, today's religious establishments are Jew controlled, no doubt. But this notion that Christ was created by the Jew only to be later attacked throughout history by the same people whom allegedly created Him is ridiculous on so many levels. Christian nations have historically been on the forefront of revolting against the Jew, and the Jew has spent many, many, years trying to first defame Jesus, then subverting His religion to where it is today.

I'd say we need a rallying point, a place we can go where we can all agree, a place that would naturally deter the Jew. That place would be to follow Jesus' words on the Jew. No, we wouldn't have to become faithful, not get baptised or born again etc, throw everything else away from the book and focus only on what He had to say about the Jew. Use those words themselves as our rallying point. Jews would not dare to join our ranks for they have no greater hatred than for this man, and even speaking His name (let alone repeating His words) would be virtually impossible for a Jew. (A man they created?)  

The Men Who Believe in the Words of Jesus Pertaining Exclusively Towards the Jew Club. lol. Its perfect!  it's everything we need and it's everything they hate. There is little proof what-so-ever that the Jew (the Pharisees of the bible) created this man named Jesus other than a few relatively modern  and highly questionable sources. These sources are pushing hard to promote this idea, about as hard as they are pushing the idea that Hitler was also a Jew - and for the same reasons. They know what a powerful message this man had to offer, which is in direct counter to their own, and they will do anything to subvert it or control it or have people just outright ignore it. (again; They created it???)

To think today's modern Church is controlled by the Jew is not a great leap of faith, it most likely is. The question is why? This  hasn't always been the case, there are clear records of them throughout history trying to gain control of this establishment, why? If they created it then why didn't they just create it to serve them RIGHT FROM THE BEGINING???  Why even include a man, a fictional man, such as this 'Jesus' fellow who would only later give strength to a fair amount of nation's peoples to oust the Jew for not following the teachings of this man?  Why bother even writting Him in? Or have Him say instead how we should all worship these vile creatures, rather than calling them out for the snakes they are? (which He did)

This I know for sure; If we collectively practice from the words of Jesus regarding the 'Jews' (and with each other), the Jew would have no quarter today, nowhere to hide. Usury, lying, cheating, dishonour, false witness etc etc, you know ; the things you find the Talmud full of and the New Testament lacking, would not be tollerated.

 What an incredibly stupid invention this would have been for the Jew to create. Sorry but it doesn't fly, yes they dominate it today, but it was NOT their invention, not at all. Nor have they always dominated it.  Jesus is the original anti-Jew -except they were known as Pharisees then. And for hundreds of years the average Christian knew damn well who the Jews really are. I even knew some old folks myself, who grew up in a time before the internet, and even before mass media for the most part, yet somehow they knew the Jew better than millions do today. How?  I submit the only source they had were the words of Jesus and seeing the proof of those words for themselves. They were true Christians, not bible thumpers, not 'Churchies', no their faith was between them and God exclusively. Their faith illustrated for them, with abundant clarity, just exactly who the Jew is. They needed nothing else. They are a dying breed now and that's a direct result of the Jew finally dominating and changing the message of the Church. As well as dominating all other forms of information. Had they created it, I would have never known Christians such as these, Jew wise Christians, unless of course your telling me this was also their plan, to use (write) the book to expose themselves to generation after generation only to later work hard to try to reverse the damage.

So in light of all that, Why the hell did they even bother? ( If they wrote it in the first place)  Do you believe they were just that incredibly stupid that they wrote in the very seeds of their own demise? And yes I knew gentiles like this, and there's no way you can tell me they got their knowledge of the Jew from anywhere else but their faith in Jesus.  So ...Are you are telling me they created this man named Jesus just to enlighten Goyim about their devilish actions and deeds? Are they just fricken crazy?

As for Charles;  I was never sure that man had his head on right in the first place :-)

[Yo Mama]

More diarrhea of the mouth from GordoZilla.  No facts or scholarship.  Just endless inane ranting.   :clap:

[Yo Mama]

Sorry, GordoZilla, but your lack of knowledge of the New Testament and the "teachings" of Jesus is atrocious.  You have no credibility whatsoever.  Jesus said that he came to fulfill the Old Testament(Torah) Jewish law, not to abolish it.  He commanded people to keep and observe all the Old Testament(Torah) laws.  You're making the classic mistake of trying to draw a distinction between the New Testament and the Torah(Old Testament), when in fact, no such distinction is in place.

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
- Rabbi Jesus, Matthew 5:17

I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
- Rabbi Jesus, Matthew 5:18

[Yo Mama]

Jesus And The Jewish Law
http://www.christianitydisproved.com/jesus.html

Jesus frequently debated the interpretation of the Law of Moses (Jewish Law) but he never advocated abandoning it; Jesus was a Jew that believed in Yahweh. In Matthew 5:17-18 Jesus states,

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Evidently, Earth has not disappeared; therefore Christians that follow the teachings of Jesus should be observing the Jewish Law. In fact, whilst Jesus disagreed with the Pharisees about how to interpret several Jewish laws, he actually commanded his followers to obey a stricter version of selected laws; stricter than the Pharisees. The Law of Moses said don't murder, Jesus said don't be angry with your brother or you'll be subject to judgment (Matthew 5:21-22); the Law of Moses said not to commit adultery, Jesus said you'll go to hell for simply looking at a woman lustfully (Matthew 5:27-30); the law of Moses says that divorce requires a certificate, Jesus said that adultery is a requirement for divorce and that if a man marries a divorced woman, he is an adulterer (Matthew 5:31-32). The importance of the Jewish Law to Jesus is further highlighted in Matthew 19:16-24; when a rich man asked Jesus what he must do to receive eternal life, Jesus' immediate instructions were to obey the commandments. This is not a moot point, the teachings of Jesus unambiguously advocate that Christians are to follow the Jewish Law.

[ada]

That's good to hear.  Maybe Charles Giuliani is increasing his knowledge and understanding of the Jewish problem.

But he needs to be made aware that there is no real evidence that Jesus existed as a historical person.  The Jesus myth found in the four gospels is mostly a borrowing(plagiarizing) of four things:

1.  stories from the Torah(Old Testament)

2.  the writings of Josephus

3.  contemporary Latin novels

4.  stories of pagan savior deities

1. First there was Christianity through the gospel teachings of Jesus Christ and later came talmudic rabbinical judaism as a jealous counterculture.
2. The byzantine empire was a very Christian empire what lasted from  300-ad to 1400-ad. No jews were allowed through decree.
3. Its true pseudo-christians get tricked and fooled through crypto-jewish infiltration and money and later blackmailing and so on.
So your pathetic assumption that Jesus Christ was just a jewish fairytale is a sign of a brainwashed youngster.

Your problem is that the Jewish problem has affected your discernment heavily.
If a problem is taking to much influence their demon or kabbalistic golem will get you.
Why because you lose your chance of salvation for your soul and that has nothing
to do with jews but only with your innermost being and soul.
Think about it you might get saved also..

[GordZilla]

I even went out of the way to state the words of Jesus directly pertaining to the Jews are words we should try to adhere to, alone.  I did not include any passages, I was just stating that His words about the Jew are good words to live by.  And Yo Moma has a problem with that, but counters with unrelated points about how Jesus stated a few things in which He approves the use of the Old Testament, well good on ya, but so? Was that the point I was making Yo Moma?? No it was not, but since your there, as always, I'd like to point out the Jew adheres to the Old testament on the surface only, you need only look as far as the ten commandments, do the Jews follow any of them? No they follow the Talmud, but from the Old Testament they use the convenient points in 'their' favor and discard the rest, the Talmud is what's practiced in their hearts, make no mistake. Yo moma concludes this is because I know nothing about the Bible, though I was only referencing indirectly what Jesus SAID about the Jew(Pharisees)  ..and nothing more than that. That's a fairly brazen presumption there Yo Moma. So anything you want to say on the topic of the actual words of Jesus against the Jews, Yo Moma? Or should I just expect just more side stepping?

My point was only that what Jesus had to say directly about the Jew were/are indeed good words to live by and indeed are words the Jew certainly does not want to see the gentiles take too seriously, oddly -and once again- just like Yo Moma. And also how this should be a clue into the fact this man was certainly not created by the Jew. That was the post summed up, but I took the time to clarify the best I could.

So what about what Jesus said about the Pharisees is it that you don't like Yo Moma?

Cause your hate for Jesus is, to me, very suspicious. it's one thing to be an atheist, MSMD is,MGT is, I can have respect for that, but you are militant and belligerent  about your lack of belief. So just what is it, Yo Moma, that Jesus said about the Pharisees that you dislike so much that it always seems to compel you to piss and sh$t all over this forum every time His name is mentioned? And what about the old folks I knew, was it wrong of them to learn about this creature we call the 'Jew' predominately thru the words of Christ? Or perhaps you think they were former Nazis or something? I'm sure others had once known old folks like this, normal everyday people who just happened to know the Jew, and know not to trust them. Just ignore that part Yo Moma, it doesn't fit into your argument very well. Hell you ignored most, if not all, of my other points anyways.


 Could it be that, as I suspect, you also know His words have power to wake and unify masses of gentiles against the Jews? Why on earth would that bug you?


Ah never mind, oh look its Alex Jones....  What's he up to? That's the important stuff right there. :crazy:

[GordZilla]

Wait, Yo Moma, you didn't disagree with my short assessment of Charles, could it be we actually agree on something? I'm gonna chalk that up to 'yes'. If only to make myself feel better, as I'd rather agree than disagree with people ...at least within the confines of this forum.

[Yo Mama]

Notice how ada talks like a religious fanatic.  He totally avoids discussing scholarly facts about the origins of Christianity and the New Testament.  He does this because he knows that he doesn't stand a chance against me if dares to venture out of the realm of religious fanaticism and into the realm of facts and evidence.

I guess I don't blame him.  It's really not a fair fight, after all.   :up:

[Wimpy]

Notice how ada talks like a religious fanatic.  He totally avoids discussing scholarly facts about the origins of Christianity and the New Testament.  He does this because he knows that he doesn't stand a chance against me if dares to venture out of the realm of religious fanaticism and into the realm of facts and evidence.

I guess I don't blame him.  It's really not a fair fight, after all.   :up:

Rather contumelious of you.

[Yo Mama]

Christianity, a Religion for Jews

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Old Jewish Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
- Rabbi Jesus, Matthew 5:17

But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
- Rabbi Jesus, Matthew 10:6

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
- Rabbi Jesus, Matthew 15:24

I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin.
- Rabbi Saul, Romans 11:1

Paul answered, "I am a Jew, from Tarsus in Cilicia, a citizen of no ordinary city. Please let me speak to the people."
- Rabbi Saul, Acts 21:39

Then Paul said: "I am a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city. Under Gamaliel I was thoroughly trained in the law of our fathers and was just as zealous for G-d as any of you are today.
- Rabbi Saul, Acts 22:3

[Yo Mama]

Rabbi Jesus the Hatemonger

Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death.
- Rabbi Jesus, Matthew 10:21

Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
- Rabbi Jesus, Matthew 10:34

For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law
- Rabbi Jesus, Matthew 10:35

Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.
- Rabbi Jesus, Luke 12:51

From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three.
- Rabbi Jesus, Luke 12:52

The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
- Rabbi Jesus, Luke 12:53

[Yo Mama]

Christianity, a Totalitarian Cult

Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
- Rabbi Jesus, Matthew 10:37

If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters - yes, even his own life - he cannot be my disciple.
- Rabbi Jesus, Luke 14:26

In the same way, any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple.
- Rabbi Jesus, Luke 14:33

The man who loves his life will lose it, while the man who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life.
- Rabbi Jesus, John 12:25

Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
- Rabbi Saul, 1 John 1:7

Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist - he denies the Father and the Son.
- Rabbi Saul, 1 John 2:22

but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
- Rabbi Saul, 1 John 4:3

If anyone does not love the Lord - a curse be on him. Come, O Lord!
- Rabbi Saul, 1 Corinthians 16:22

We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.
- Rabbi Saul, 2 Corinthians 10:5

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Rabbi Jesus the Hatemonger

Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death.
- Rabbi Jesus, Matthew 10:21

Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
- Rabbi Jesus, Matthew 10:34

For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law
- Rabbi Jesus, Matthew 10:35

Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.
- Rabbi Jesus, Luke 12:51

From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three.
- Rabbi Jesus, Luke 12:52

The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
- Rabbi Jesus, Luke 12:53

Jesus said that the truth is hidden from the prideful and the wise, like yourself. Jesus also specifically says that people like you would not understand the very basic of precepts of truth. The above passages are very clear, yet they confound you. What does that tell you?

Luke 10:21; In that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said,"I thank You ,Father, Lord of Heaven and earth; that you have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight"

Additionally, it is completely inappropriate for you, a white supremacist, to accuse others of hate.

[Yo Mama]

The above passages are very clear, yet they confound you.

Yes, I agree.  The above words of wisdom from Rabbi Jesus are very clear.  They don't confound me at all.  And neither should they confound anybody else.  The words are very plain and easy to understand.  That's why I posted them, you religious kook.   :roll:

[GordZilla]

You don't have to agree with everything anybody says, that includes Dr. Duke, but IMO he's right about this;


[youtube:3bpbugk3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H30-y9Y7gL4[/youtube]3bpbugk3]

Just remember Christians are the real enemy, not Jews, right Yo Moma?  :roll:

[GordZilla]

Dang the more I think about it the more I realize that you, Yo Moma,  would be right at home in Israel, what are you waiting for? Or are you already there?

 

[Yo Mama]

So you think that the alleged references to Jesus in the Talmud somehow confirms him as a historical character?  Think again.

The Jesus Narrative In The Talmud
http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/jesusnarr.html

 8-)

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

The above passages are very clear, yet they confound you.

Yes, I agree.  The above words of wisdom from Rabbi Jesus are very clear.  They don't confound me at all.  And neither should they confound anybody else.  The words are very plain and easy to understand.  That's why I posted them, you religious kook.   :roll:

Note to self: Never argue with an idiot; they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

[Yo Mama]

Note to self:  Timothy_Fitzpatrick implies that Jebus telepathically communicates with him from the 10th inter-stellar dimension and gives him special instructions on how to read the Holy Babble, thus giving Timothy_Fitzpatrick a super-human ability to interpret and understand the Babble text that no other human possesses.

 :lol:

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Damn, Gord, I had never heard that conversation between Nixon and Graham before. Unreal.

Although Billy Graham is a 33rd degree Freemason, he was apparently no fan of the Jews.

[GordZilla]

So you think that the alleged references to Jesus in the Talmud somehow confirms him as a historical character?  Think again.

The Jesus Narrative In The Talmud
http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/jesusnarr.html

 8-)

Yes that's what I was implying, dumbass.  :roll:

Why don't you at least for once answer something directed at you or alternatively stay on the point?

What, exactly,  did Jesus say about the 'Jews' that makes you hate Him so much?

....still waiting

I see you are quick to defend the Talmud, not the first time either. When are you moving to Israel?  With your hate of Christ you would fit right in.

There is no other reason for your hate of Christ other than His exposer of the Jew  -you know the part you wont comment on. That is obviously your biggest passion, this hate, unjustified in a forum such as this, especially when you consider what Jesus had to say about the Jew.  Yet you never miss an opportunity to slander Him and His followers on this site, again Yo Moma why is that?

I think the answer is clear.


 

[Yo Mama]

GordoZilla, you're the one who doesn't want to discuss facts, not me.  Your posts are pure emotionalism.  Unfortunately, emotional arguments are convincing to most people.  The masses are easily fooled by appeals to emotion.

[Yo Mama]

What, exactly,  did Jesus say about the 'Jews' that makes you hate Him so much?

The "teachings" of Jesus are insane and contradictory.  What part about this do you not understand?  I've already posted some direct quotations from Jesus to prove my point.  If you're too stupid or mentally ill to read the quotations and understand them, that's not my fault.

 :roll:

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

What, exactly,  did Jesus say about the 'Jews' that makes you hate Him so much?

If you're too stupid or mentally ill to read the quotations and understand them, that's not my fault.

 :roll:

No, it's you who does not understand what has been written.

[Yo Mama]

Sorry, Timothy Fitzpatrick, but your own personal "revelations" of the meaning of the New Testament don't count.  We're dealing in reality here, not the delusional fantasies of your own mind.  

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

We're dealing in reality here, not the delusional fantasies of your own mind.  

How bout you repeat this another 30 times—it might eventually become true.