TiU Radio - 23rd July 08 - Guest Daryl Bradford Smith (mp3)

[Anonymous]

Good clarification.  Thanks for addressing the issue John  I have nothing to say on these topics (as I am ignorant of them), other than keep on trucking

Peace

[sirbadman]

Great show. I didnt even realise this site had podcasts. Been a fan of DBS for a while. I sent an email to him not that long ago after seeing these creepy Waco type vids on prothink's site.

Don't get me wrong, a lot of John's vids are top notch, but that said, John is clearly getting some kind of help from somewhere.

DBS is right by saying the media will have a field day in making out the satanism links to John. I have been watching John's aka WW3News vids since he started putting them on youtube. He put out far too many. Far too many. Like every day, a 6-7 minute video. For about 50 days in a row. What did you say John... you work in electronic marketing so you have a lot of spare time? Are you a spammer John?

When WW3News vids started he would always be in the dark with big fat sunnies and hard to see. Now John is quite open to showing his face and even publicly recruits people for this "off the grid" aka Waco setup project. It is all very suspicous to me. Where did this land come from... would someone like to fill me in here? If you are trying to start a guerilla resistance project... surely you dont advertise on the internet right?

Now someone here posted a youtube vid link to John's video where he talks about his satanism links... it wasnt up for very long (when john used his WW3News moniker)... good to see a different youtube user has taken it and reposted it up on the site. John admits to changing his name on this vid... actually john aka forcemultiplication likes to talk himself up quite a lot come think of it.

Anyway, if John isnt some kind of jew agent I would honestly be surprised. I mean he looks like a jew to me. Sure i havent seen any part american indian part africans before... on that note i have a number of african friends and john is way too light skinned to even be a quarter african (coloured). John plays name changing games and was even part of the church of satan which was run by jew la Vey. In that vid where he talks about his satanist past he talks about doing messed up things... this all very weird to me.

Prothink makes a good target to bring down. He made Alex Jones look like a complete asshole with a simple telephone call. I have a bad feeling prothink is a bit gullible, thats why he bothers with that hufschmid guy who is clearly putting out disinfo... i mean zionist jews vs banking jews... what a load of crap.

Anyway, just in anticipation of some criticism, I am not necessarily opposed to taking up guns but i think the best way forward is to wage an information war. Especially if the lower ranks of the army, police and health bureacracies can be targetted. We need more whistleblowers. If we really want large numbers of people behind us we all have to spread the word as much as possible. A lot more can be achieved this way from setting up the next waco media sensation out in the middle of nowhere.

I mean bartering...a barter system in project off the grid? .... come on... it seems like one of those communes set up in Israel.. its all very communist and jewish to me. If that project off the grid is not shutdown by the govt it will fall apart from internal bickering.

[AK3N470N]

Great show. I didnt even realise this site had podcasts. Been a fan of DBS for a while. I sent an email to him not that long ago after seeing these creepy Waco type vids on prothink's site.

Don't get me wrong, a lot of John's vids are top notch, but that said, John is clearly getting some kind of help from somewhere.

DBS is right by saying the media will have a field day in making out the satanism links to John. I have been watching John's aka WW3News vids since he started putting them on youtube. He put out far too many. Far too many. Like every day, a 6-7 minute video. For about 50 days in a row. What did you say John... you work in electronic marketing so you have a lot of spare time? Are you a spammer John?

When WW3News vids started he would always be in the dark with big fat sunnies and hard to see. Now John is quite open to showing his face and even publicly recruits people for this "off the grid" aka Waco setup project. It is all very suspicous to me. Where did this land come from... would someone like to fill me in here? If you are trying to start a guerilla resistance project... surely you dont advertise on the internet right?

Now someone here posted a youtube vid link to John's video where he talks about his satanism links... it wasnt up for very long (when john used his WW3News moniker)... good to see a different youtube user has taken it and reposted it up on the site. John admits to changing his name on this vid... actually john aka forcemultiplication likes to talk himself up quite a lot come think of it.

Anyway, if John isnt some kind of jew agent I would honestly be surprised. I mean he looks like a jew to me. Sure i havent seen any part american indian part africans before... on that note i have a number of african friends and john is way too light skinned to even be a quarter african (coloured). John plays name changing games and was even part of the church of satan which was run by jew la Vey. In that vid where he talks about his satanist past he talks about doing messed up things... this all very weird to me.

Prothink makes a good target to bring down. He made Alex Jones look like a complete asshole with a simple telephone call. I have a bad feeling prothink is a bit gullible, thats why he bothers with that hufschmid guy who is clearly putting out disinfo... i mean zionist jews vs banking jews... what a load of crap.

Anyway, just in anticipation of some criticism, I am not necessarily opposed to taking up guns but i think the best way forward is to wage an information war. Especially if the lower ranks of the army, police and health bureacracies can be targetted. We need more whistleblowers. If we really want large numbers of people behind us we all have to spread the word as much as possible. A lot more can be achieved this way from setting up the next waco media sensation out in the middle of nowhere.

I mean bartering...a barter system in project off the grid? .... come on... it seems like one of those communes set up in Israel.. its all very communist and jewish to me. If that project off the grid is not shutdown by the govt it will fall apart from internal bickering.

Very interesting post. Lots of things have been on my mind about all of this cat fighting going on for the last while here. The last 20mins or so of that interview completely shocked me. DBS to me has always seemed too secretive, Hufschmid I found back with his documentary in 2003 but before that time my research only focused on the occult. Jordan Maxwell, Tsarion and Icke.

DBS has very good information with his books on history and Andy Hitchcock putting up the Synagogue of Satan for the site can only be commended. I have sent the link to that and the Rothschild time line to many people and plugged them around the net. Me and a friend on Facebook had infiltrated the group forum Loose Change: The Truth about 9/11. When we both arrived there over a year and a half ago, right from the start all we did was hammer the Zionist angle and the involvement with criminal Jews. I also criticized to great extent their documentary Loose Change. I was called every name in the book at first (Anti-Semite and Loose Change hater/Cohesion divider) but kept plugging info until 2 of the active Admins to that group started reading what I was writing. It is now at the point where I don't post there anymore because the Admins who post frequently are always plugging info for the new recruits about Zionism, Palestinian conflict and Israeli involvement with 9/11. Currently there are 10,500 or so members there. But the point I'm getting at is Jason Bermas is friends through the network with one of those active admins and I can tell Jason was reading the info that was plugged on this group. I had posted Prothink's trailer to the documentary he was working on back in late Dec, 2007. Then in Feb 2008 or so, one of the admin's had told me Jason and co were thinking about making a new doc called: Fabled Enemies  exposing the Israeli connection and it would be out by summer. Maybe it's a coincidence, maybe it isn't.

DBS is right by saying the media will have a field day in making out the satanism links to John. I have been watching John's aka WW3News vids since he started putting them on youtube. He put out far too many. Far too many.

[Papillon]

Where can I find Koernke??

Thx, Papillon.

[Canard]

Good post, very interesting stuff AK, I'm very intrigued about you and your buddy spreading truth over at Screw Loose Change Forum.  Good work btw, it couldn't have been easy.  I'm really interested in Bermas Israeli Expose piece, its clearly too little too late, for me to swallow at least.  Look how long it took, and right in time for when Jonesy starts talking truth on the matter.  I cant wait for some TIU'ers to get ahold of his new video and splice it with all the crap he's been peddling which was anything but an Israeli connection since he came on the scene.
Free Palestine.

[AK3N470N]

DBS is right by saying the media will have a field day in making out the satanism links to John.

This is another part of the interview that I found very strange. He stated before that violence was the last thing we need which I agree with. But to say Militias are wrong and being prepared for violence is wrong almost made me feel as if DBS was getting worried that the criminals are in trouble and the ants have taken arms and are preparing in case they have to fight the grasshoppers that we outnumber so greatly. Also the statement about the media having a field day with the satanism links almost sounded like a call out to the media to do such actions. He is right that thousands would be listening and Mike had posted some very interesting IP locations who have been to his site. If violence takes over like he said, it would be them making the first move. If you live in America (I don't, neither does DBS) then you have a right to bare arms so why not bare arms? I don't get that.

When WW3News vids started he would always be in the dark with big fat sunnies and hard to see. Now John is quite open to showing his face and even publicly recruits people for this "off the grid" aka Waco setup project. It is all very suspicous to me.

This usually happens with people coming clean about what they know. They start off more secretive and once they get comfortable or praise from their listeners they share more information until it's all out in the open. Keep in mind John never had to tell us anything about his past. Also keep in mind that DBS to this day is very secretive considering his position in this movement. I'm not picking sides or anything just stating my opinion on all of this. Off the Grid also isn't a Waco project either.

Anyway, if John isnt some kind of jew agent I would honestly be surprised. I mean he looks like a jew to me. Sure i havent seen any part american indian part africans before... on that note i have a number of african friends and john is way too light skinned to even be a quarter african (coloured). John plays name changing games and was even part of the church of satan which was run by jew la Vey. In that vid where he talks about his satanist past he talks about doing messed up things... this all very weird to me.

Who are you? You see, this is the problem I have with the internet especially from where I am sitting as I don't have administrative rights to this forum. You keep talking pretty much bashing the guy who has put out good material IMO or I wouldn't even be bothering with replying to this post. Yet for the time being, you are seeming as secretive as DBS for a guy complaining about other people being suspicious. Talking about people "looking like Jews to you" is why DBS bashed Hufschmid in one of his recent files. The hypocrisy going on is making me laugh and there is about as much useless drama as a soap opera.

I have many black friends some are quarter black and I'll give you a quick example. 5 brothers all by the same mom and dad, the mom is black but more of a Sudan black if you know what I mean since you have a number of African friends. The dad is half black half white (very light skin) but the black in him is Jamaican. Most of the kids are dark except two. who are light skinned and they are all still 3 quarters black. A quarter black you could look almost white except some features if your mother is the one with the black genes. My sister's child looks about as light as John, my sister is dark like me.

Prothink makes a good target to bring down.

http://members.shaw.ca/rsanderm/orly.jpg

Once again, who are you? I mix what you just said with DBS saying "Prothink is making some fatal errors, with his work" with him saying Militias in AMERICA where defense is a right isn't the right step, mixed with recorded threats to Hufschmid and I don't end up with a very good assessment of what is going on here. Very strange indeed. The last 7 or so mins of the audio messengers are bashed but then it ends off with "It's about the message and not the messengers", next sentence, let's bash Hufschmid. What I don't get is how DBS' ability to tell the "truth" would be effected by the so called bad choices Mike and John are making if they are countries away from each other. Or how their choices effect DBS' listeners.

You can't really give this movement a black eye at this point in time unless DBS, Hufschmid, Prothink, John and others were to pull a David Shayler. Or they did this (NSFW)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usJ_XQ0zdGg If I can talk out in the open now about this kind of thing and people say things like "Yeah eh?, I always had a feeling it came down to them...", the criminals are losing, they know it and their agents are having to tell more of the story they wish they didn't have to. They have to tell this story now due to pressure and fear of losing listeners and at the same time if they tell too much they are in a worse position. Not many exits for them, with the exception of the invisible money changers. We should all be more happy now than we were a year ago and some people are seeming more and more depressed. The Militia angle has these people really re-thinking their strategy IMO and calling on Veterans to join the cause is another blow against them. I'm in a better mood about this truth movement than I was last year and previous years so I just don't understand what is happening here.

Continue seeking the truth wherever it may lead you, pass it with those you know. If the truth seems "hateful" so be it. Why should we submit, be delayed in our efforts with cat fights and continue to have our brothers and sisters die in wars that are financed on both sides by people who see themselves as "god's chosen" and us as beasts. Share your truth with those receptive to such information, don't bother with waking up the whole general public, it is useless. They don't care and will never care, this is why they are called cattle/sheeple. Any creature that wants all its needs provided for, has no rights except those given to them by their masters.

AK3N470N

[ThaTruth920]

He admitted from the get go if I remember correctly that his detractors would out him as having a dark past.

   Keen memory.

   I find it interesting that DBS praised me on the telephone and then publicly denounces me. This is only to be expected. More will come, to be sure.

   I have a number of corrections and rebuttals to make to the statements presented against me and they will come in time. For now, I would like to note that it is interesting that DBS speaks out of complete ignorance when it comes to Satanism and the Church of Satan and compares me to Jeffrey Dahmer. I would expect slander but not such paltry research from a man such as Mr. Smith, who I have unfortunately held in the highest esteem.

   For those unaware, Anton Szandor LaVey (real name: Howard Levi [Jew], founder of the Church of Satan circa 1966, author of The Satanic Bible circa 1969) denounces animal and human sacrifice and any such sensationalist evils presented at the pulpit by hysterical so-called Christian preachers who have no actual familiarity with the things they fulminate. Apparently DBS is not aware that there are various sects of Satanism just as there are with Christianity and [LaVey] Satanists are atheistic (neither actually believing in Satan or God, and merely use Satan as a poster icon for a rebellious philosophy based upon Ayn Rand's Objectivism and the words of Nietzsche). Such a statement is not an attack on Mr. Smith as most people are unfamiliar with such facts. Devil Worshipers and those who call themselves "Traditional Satanists" are quite different than [LaVey] Satanists. Additionally, all such sects are different from Luciferianism.

For the record,I was a member of the Church of Satan, registered at the age of 17. On the day I sent my membership request to the Church of Satan, LaVey dropped dead (October 29, 1997). Following that I quickly trounced LaVey as a charlatan and assisted in the founding of a non-profit [religious] corporation dedicated to the expansion of Satanism in the two-thousand and third year of the common era; which is the Grand Black Lodge. I have no association to Satanism other than the tattoos that I still bare. Officially, my belief structure would be called Christian Gnosticism. As a side note, such a belief is quite the enemy of the Vatican, as gnostics have been repeatedly burned and tortured by them. Reference the Cathars for starters. The inner priesthood of the Black Lodge has always known that it existed to secretly serve the Christic principle, just as in quite the opposite direction the so-called White Lodge of Freemasonry serves Lucifer. It should be noted that Lutherianism, Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormonism were all started by Freemasons, but that's another talk-show. There is a no longer a need for the Black Lodge as it is abundantly clear to an important few and an instrumental many who the enemies of humanity and Christ's teachings really are.

   If, as DBS declares, we need "righteous forthrightness and honesty" then I have given it and will continue to do so. I'll be back, but for now I'm trying to complete my time machine so I can go back and tell General George Washington that his involvement with militia groups is detrimental to the future of America. For now. . .

   Be careful who you take to the stake. . .you may burn one of your greatest allies.

   Esse Est Percipi

   E Pluribus Unum


   Stay strong,
      John

Well explained.

[Anonymous]

Don't get me wrong, a lot of John's vids are top notch, but that said, John is clearly getting some kind of help from somewhere.

   I find this exceedingly hilarious every time someone says that. I use a $35.00 cam, $25.00 microphone, Sony Vegas, Audacity, Camtasia, Any Video Converter  and Photoshop. Mostly, I taught myself how to use each program and I'm not even that good. Simply observing and making mental notes of what makes an appealing YouTube video is where I began. In conjunction with being aware of the attention span of most people and knowing a few things about marketing. Not that many marketing techniques are even used in my videos. I just keep them simple and refrain from obnoxious colors and using a wide variety of pointless transition effects or other video effects. You might notice that the vocals in my present videos have less dead air between them in an attempt to retain people's attention better.

DBS is right by saying the media will have a field day in making out the satanism links to John.

   Hardly a concern, as they would fabricate anything which they could not deliver. Such is the case with Randy Weaver, David Koresh and Adolf Hitler. With present technology to mimic a person's voice, as well as CGI and superior film special effects abilities, if someone is a significant threat to them you might see a video of the person fucking a mule in the middle of Times Square and testifying to an outrageous crack habit while whistling Dixie. All of which can be done with present technology.

  Of course, they needn't go to such lengths as the public will generally believe anything so long you put it on television and speak it from the mouth of a news reporter.

  If you've ever watched the testimony of Kay Griggs you'll know why many potential allies don't come forward. It is because they blackmail those they put in power and make them fear the day the public finds out who they really are; what they've done. If you want to start silencing insiders then continue DBS's train of thought and concern yourself with the opinions of the largely petty and incompetent general public. A kind of thinking I find alarming considering Mr. Smith's intelligence. The opinions of the public do not matter as they do not shape history or control nations. If they did, America wouldn't be in two wars and working on a third and George Bush and his criminal buddies would be driven out and stoned in the street for being pedophiles and repeatedly committing acts of treason. Those who shape things don't concern themselves with the opinions of the public, and neither do I.

   You'll note that the Jew media to this day will badger David Duke for his involvement in the KKK but he hardly concerns himself with it. Is it because Mr. Duke knows that those who will hear his message will hear it no matter who he was or is said to be so long as he speaks from a position of honesty? I would love to see the media trash me, as all publicity is good publicity. Furthermore. . .

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." - John 8:7

I have been watching John's aka WW3News vids since he started putting them on youtube. He put out far too many. Far too many. Like every day, a 6-7 minute video. For about 50 days in a row.

    Far too many? I find this silly, and no offense, but most people who say this have never attempted to make a lot of YouTube videos at one time. It takes me six to twelve hours to make a 10 minute video. Keep in mind that several of my videos are chopped into several sections. The Secret Covenant of Your Owners took two and a half days to produce. It accounts for 14 videos on the YouTube count of my total uploaded videos. The Sons of Liberty: Guerrilla Warfare Training took a day and a half and accounts for 7 videos. That's 21 videos in a total of four days, and nearly half of the total of what I've produced. Etc.

What did you say John... you work in electronic marketing so you have a lot of spare time? Are you a spammer John?

    I prefer Internet marketer, but yes, my income is hands free.

When WW3News vids started he would always be in the dark with big fat sunnies and hard to see. Now John is quite open to showing his face and even publicly recruits people for this "off the grid" aka Waco setup project. It is all very suspicous to me. Where did this land come from... would someone like to fill me in here? If you are trying to start a guerilla resistance project... surely you dont advertise on the internet right?

I've repeatedly said that the off-the-grid project is not an offensive project or anything of the sort. I've also repeatedly said I don't promote violence but only being prepared to deal with violence, but my detractors and other such sensationalists seem to have a way of reframing my words. Once again, this is only to be expected.

If you want to know more about the project all you need to do is ask, or you can visit the website at http://www.ProjectOffTheGrid.com

As for being in the dark with sunglasses. The glasses are so you don't see that I'm reading from the laptop screen and the darkness both looks cool and gives an air of seriousness to the subject matter. Moreover, my place of residence at the time was dimly lit so I set a lamp on the ground without a lampshade and placed a tinfoil shield behind it. It then gave off the effect you see which I stuck with.

Now someone here posted a youtube vid link to John's video where he talks about his satanism links... it wasnt up for very long (when john used his WW3News moniker)... good to see a different youtube user has taken it and reposted it up on the site. John admits to changing his name on this vid... actually john aka forcemultiplication likes to talk himself up quite a lot come think of it.

    I took the video down to not dissolve things into a religious debate, plus I could have improved delivery of the information. It is still available via ThePirateBay I believe. I'll probably put something back up that addresses my past, especially if more hysterics, sensationalists and drama queens keep making it a matter of concern. . .as if a past I no longer associate with somehow changes the nature of the information I put forth.

   Imagine if I made a video in which a poster of the Star of David is behind me. Can you hear the voices of such people mentioned herein saying, "You see, he is working for the Jews!" Yet at the tail end of the video I move my head and you see that the poster reads "FUCK ISRAEL".

   So long as people refuse to come from any other position but one of hysterical fear and overgrown paranoia they will always produce a melee of falsehoods and never see the simple facts for what they are.

Stay strong,
John

[LatinAmericanview]

"I took the video down to not dissolve things into a religious debate" - Jeeze, I know exactly where you are coming from.  I would also add making videos and show is rather time consuming and hectic.  Not to mention the research for the shows.

[Anonymous]

Oops...lemme read page two before I comment.  Posted before I saw page two and three.

Lemme say this.  I have talked personally with John, and my opinion so far is that him and Mike are two of the most honest I've seen in this movement.  HANDS DOWN.  DBS, Hufschmid, and Bollyn are a lot of drama.  Seems Bollyn started the good info, he got took out, and we're left with Hufschmid and DBS.  

John's info is spot on.  If it's not, show where.  His PUSH to get you off your asses and ready to defend yourself is also SPOT ON.  Look, the jews killed 58 million in Russia, 3.5 million in Armenia, and 265 million christians with WWII while they sat safely in their camps.  If you don't do something to defend yourself you might as well give it up now.  

I pretty much agree with AK3N470N (achin for zion??) 's take on all this. DBS has good info in his books, but he's very cryptic and wants to save too many jews.  Hufschmid is a little better because he says don't trust any of them.  Not bad advice really, but as intelligent as he is, to hear him push democracy in some of his audios ruins his credibility also.  Not to mention how he clings to the idea of superior humans running things....just not superior CRIMINAL humans.  Yeah....take those guys with a grain of salt.  However John and Mike have both shown they are willing to go the FULL distance in this thing and are pushing hard to get people listening.  At the same time they realize that only a few will hear the message, and they are preparing themselves.  

At this point...I still listen to DBS, Hufschmid, John, Mike, etc.  The only ones I think are trust worthy are John and Mike.  Of course, I'm not putting FULL weight in ANYONE but MYSELF and my immediate family.  I AM preparing.  I AM ARMED and READY to fight.  I refuse to go quietly into the night. I ask, and I shall give NO QUARTER to anyone who won't stand with me.

[AK3N470N]

I pretty much agree with AK3N470N (achin for zion??) 's take on all this. DBS has good info in his books, but he's very cryptic and wants to save too many jews.  Hufschmid is a little better because he says don't trust any of them.  Not bad advice really, but as intelligent as he is, to hear him push democracy in some of his audios ruins his credibility also.  Not to mention how he clings to the idea of superior humans running things....just not superior CRIMINAL humans.  Yeah....take those guys with a grain of salt.  However John and Mike have both shown they are willing to go the FULL distance in this thing and are pushing hard to get people listening.  At the same time they realize that only a few will hear the message, and they are preparing themselves.  

It's Akhenaton (A·khe·na·ton). I also see no problem with the more intelligent (superior humans) running things. It would be like a construction site if we narrowed it down to just one trade. General Foreman, Foreman, Sub Foreman, Journeyman and Apprentice. We wouldn't let the apprentices run the job we wish to complete within the time frame and budget allotted. Plus if it's a first year apprentice (basic general public) they would have no say in the decision making process which is how it should be in my view. Letting everybody vote when they continue to make horrible repeated decisions is a bad idea so I agree with Hufschmid on that one.

[Rockclimber]

Plus if it's a first year apprentice (basic general public) they would have no say in the decision making process which is how it should be in my view.

You may want to rethink that because your talking like an elitist. An educated population could be an intelligent voting population. If we didn't have a dumbed down, bread and circus population and were only better educated and politically active, the system could still work. An educated population of the "general public" would still have an adequate amount of more than qualified voters and potential leaders. Implementing a solid education system where citizens actually read and understood the Constitution for example and it's real intent could have produced the right results which in your mind would be general foreman and foreman. We have been intentionally dumbed down, consumerists and led astray. I think your getting a little bit cocky here. No elitist bullshit please.

[Ralph Furely]

this is a great thread.

[Rockclimber]

And I will just say it. While Hufschmid puts out some often useful info, the guy is paranoid, delusional and an elitist. We need friggin unity, and the guy has done more to divide anyone in 'this camp' that I can think of. No one is perfect in this movement, no not one and we would be better off making allies then dividing. Those who do want to divide and cause constant infighting are hurting our cause. Since when did this movement come down to the person and not the truth and moving the info forward. Set aside the egos, lose them and remember your mission. Or do we have one anymore?

[blueocean]

John I asked you to come clean on your satanic past, and in a way you did but also in a way you are still flashing satanic stuff, IN PLANE SIGHT, which makes me wonder.................


I will give two simple examples for the people here. In your post you write at the end:" E Pluribus Unum"  (Out of many one)

I KNOW you are aware of the meaning of this given your satanic (past). This lovely little sentence is actually very satanic, in a bad way. Nr 1 it stands for "fasci" aka the bound arrows of fascism, which is also present in congress, and used in illuminati symbolism.

It is also connected to the tower of babel.  "Out of many One" is not a sentence that a reformed satanist would use.

you further write: "Apparently DBS is not aware that there are various sects of Satanism just as there are with Christianity and [LaVey] Satanists are atheistic (neither actually believing in Satan or God, and merely use Satan as a poster icon for a rebellious philosophy based upon Ayn Rand's Objectivism and the words of Nietzsche). "

Can I deduct from this that you fall/fell into this category of satanists?  If So, you must by now realize that Both Miss Rand and Mr Nietzsche are both JEW Zionist Nihilists of the worst kind.........

There is of course nothing wrong with being a freedom lover/anarchist, but going into satanism to realize that, is obviously the wrong way.



Now you also write:  "I have no association to Satanism other than the tattoos that I still bare. Officially, my belief structure would be called Christian Gnosticism. As a side note, such a belief is quite the enemy of the Vatican, as gnostics have been repeatedly burned and tortured by them. Reference the Cathars for starters. "


nr 1 dragging the evil vatican into this to defend one's position is weak at best.
nr 2 Those lovely heroic Cathars were actually Separdic kabbalistic Jews, yup, SEPHARDIC KABBALISTIC JEWS.  (read the book "the dying god" for reference).

so in short in your own, unwitting, words you have just equated your belief with Jewish Kabbalism.  Satanism is all about kabbalism, but that you knew already.

you also wrote:  "If, as DBS declares, we need "righteous forthrightness and honesty" then I have given it and will continue to do so"

In my book you have fallen somewhat short of the so called measure of "righteous forthrightness and honesty".  You still appear to have allegiance to Satanic/illuminism, given your revealing "In plane sight" defence/words.  

so I will reiterate my previous call upon you to come clean, and truly come up with blows to these illuminists/satanists/kabbalists, instead of flashing "illuminati" stuff in plane sight for those with eyes to see.


YearOfTheDragon wrote:
"At this point...I still listen to DBS, Hufschmid, John, Mike, etc. The only ones I think are trust worthy are John and Mike."


In my book Mike is trustworthy yes, and the jury is still open/out on John.


AK3N470N wrote: "I also see no problem with the more intelligent (superior humans) running things."

1 This is platonic kabbalistic illuminati doctrine +   2 the more intelligent people are already running things, get that?

[AK3N470N]

Plus if it's a first year apprentice (basic general public) they would have no say in the decision making process which is how it should be in my view.

You may want to rethink that because your talking like an elitist. An educated population could be an intelligent voting population. If we didn't have a dumbed down, bread and circus population and were only better educated and politically active, the system could still work. An educated population of the "general public" would still have an adequate amount of more than qualified voters and potential leaders. Implementing a solid education system where citizens actually read and understood the Constitution for example and it's real intent could have produced the right results which in your mind would be general foreman and foreman. We have been intentionally dumbed down, consumerists and led astray. I think your getting a little bit cocky here. No elitist bullshit please.

I don't feel this is an elitist attitude but I am a tradesman (Journeyman Electrician) by career. I didn't feel my Journeyman or my Foreman was "elitist" when I was a 1st year and wasn't allowed to take part in the serious decision making. For I knew I didn't have enough knowledge and my input wouldn't make the entire project more successful.

Suppose we are to win and remove all of the criminals, you are saying that the general public who laughed at us and don't want to learn should be allowed to pick the leaders? In order to educate the entire public to the correct information would take a very long time. They haven't been dumbed down they have been blocked from certain knowledge. But ask yourself one question, what caused you to wake up in the first place? Did someone who was already awake tell you where to go to get knowledge or was it a spark in the back of your mind? For me it was a spark when I was 14 and read a book called Illusions by Richard Bach. In that same year I saw the first Matrix movie and that is what really started my quest. If certain people can see that something is wrong and we are all able to access the same information today, what makes one want to learn more and one want to entertain themselves and only worry about material goods? I have close friends who have told me flat out they believe me but they don't care and "learning boring information is bunk". A re-education process to the point where people thought it was fun to learn (a nation of info-junkies) is a Utopian fantasy IMO. Certain people will always want to learn more, others will want to play. The transition would be a lengthy and possibly frustrating process.

So really ask yourself what made you wake up and howcome you aren't falling for the BS you see on TV. What made you turn your TV off and get on your computer. If the people who are really concerned about running the society did and there was still the entertainment those who wish to play enjoyed, no usury, higher wages and shorter work weeks, would most of the general public bother voting?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... login=true

Why? Because in those cities and that Province, profits are booming. You can make 30-$43/hr (benefits added) as a Journeyman Electrician to work slack as compared to $18-$27/hr in Toronto working hard. If things are good for the general public, they don't vote. It isn't about being "elitist".

non est ad astra mollis e terris via *lol at my SATANISM in the open*

Take care,

AK3N470N

[blueocean]

again: "the more intelligent people are already running things, get that?"

that is key to illuminism.  




Psychopaths are very smart...............

[AK3N470N]

again: "the more intelligent people are already running things, get that?"

that is key to illuminism.  




Psychopaths are very smart...............

If and when we do remove the criminals, how would you like to see the society run? (This question should almost be a new thread really)

[blueocean]

Better to make a new thread for your question.    (US constitution and bill of rights did a reasonable job, even though it has been subverted a lot)

[AK3N470N]

I will give two simple examples for the people here. In your post you write at the end:" E Pluribus Unum"  (Out of many one)

I KNOW you are aware of the meaning of this given your satanic (past). This lovely little sentence is actually very satanic, in a bad way. Nr 1 it stands for "fasci" aka the bound arrows of fascism, which is also present in congress, and used in illuminati symbolism.

It is also connected to the tower of babel.  "Out of many One" is not a sentence that a reformed satanist would use.

So I take it Jamaica is also a Satanic island because it's motto is: Out of Many One People?

The Portuguese soccer team is also Satanic as it uses that motto.

Or did you stop to think the poster is of mixed race and he is in fact "Out of Many One". You see words can have many meanings. It's best to not throw handfuls of mud hoping something will stick.

Just found this as well:
http://www.greatseal.com/mottoes/unum.html (Still want to return to that constitution and Bill of Rights?)

You seem to know a lot about Kabbalistic, Illuministic and Satanic information...

[ThaTruth920]

Where can I find Koernke??

Thx, Papillon.

http://mp3.wtprn.com/Koernke08.html

[Anonymous]

Firstly as I am the one here who at this point knows John best. I will explain how I came into contact with him and where I stand now. I happened to come across one of his videos early on when he had his youtube account "WW3NEWS" and after watching the "controlling dissent" one I was highly interested in other work he put out. I sent him an email notifying him I was going to promote his video on my website and that he did a great job. I didn't hear back from him until a few emails later and even then he was hesitant to talk with me and I could detect a sense of suspicion on his part as to who I was. Eventually after he reviewed my work we started some repore as he didn't have the knowledge I had about 9/11 (thanks to the Bollyn, DBS, EH trio  and even Ry Dawson) and I didn't have the knowledge on some of the issues he knew about such as the occult as such. We ended up chatting on the phone a few times before he seemed to trust me a little more. We exchanged much knowledge and after I watched the rest of his work it made perfect sense to me that this was the evolution and direction I wanted to take.

After keeping in contact with him I finally invited him up to my area to hang out so I could get to know him better. He had donated $185 a week prior to me offering him to come up so I in turn used that money to purchase him a bus ticket (I offered plane but he preferred to do it "on the cheap"). He arrived up here and we went out and hit a few bars. I live in Milwaukee and its known to be the bar city of America so thats pretty much all there is here except festivals and lakefront. The bus ticket was one way because his employment is internet based ( and I verified it to be legit but wont tell his business other than that) and I am a stay-at-home-dad who fights this none stop off donations and my better half's income, neither one of us had a schedule or deadline. He met a bunch of people here locally who are well aware of this information and John was pretty impressed at the success I was having for this amount of people here informed.

After a week or so others I knew here locally started having suspicion of him and how fast he came onto the scene and how fast he made his '70' videos. This was partly due to how much I pushed his work everywhere early on and the fact that his message was spot on. Although I went against what some people were expressing concerns I used my experienced judgment of character and defended him but not too hard because I still wanted to feel him out and still had some questions of my own. He had a laptop that was on loan and that was what he was using and so I advised he return it and I could arrange for a laptop for him myself. In this period of time he was unable to produce videos do to not having a computer other than mine and that even sparked more people's suspicion that he had psy-op help with his videos. Several weeks later after I failed to come through on a laptop I just advised him to purchase one on his own. Within 24 hours he had his laptop set up the way he wanted with the software needed and produced a video in front of me. His work was similar to his other videos it made perfect sense how he knocked out so many videos like he did.

So at this point I can certainly say he has been doing his videos on his own out of his own time and sacrifice and that his income is legitimately made. After awhile we decided we needed to come up with a solution to these problems. Thats when the Project off the grid came about. I contacted someone on myspace I met that lived in the area and put her in contact with John and let him roll with the idea. He took it on and did his best to get it off the ground. After staying with me and occasionally some of my friends to give my family and I some privacy, for 6 weeks I have been able to see exactly what he has done, who he contacts, and pretty much everything there is to know about him and after this amount of time I would have to conclude that John is genuinely working on the right side and busting his tale to do so. He doesn't have any interest it seems in anything superficial and nor do I. He is single and as much as he tried connecting with a girl he has no 'game' at being able to talk to a girl. LOL. I was shocked at this. In his videos he is calculated, cold and precise. In front of a girl he is a little boy shaking in his boots not knowing what to do with himself. By thy fruits you shall know him: it should be pretty clear by his videos and ambition what side he stands on. So Like I said in the beginning of this I guess it is up to me to verify whether I felt he was or not. I might have had questions early on and I might have had issues with some meaningless quirks but I would have to say I would be honored to have him fighting along side me.

As far as DBS goes. I still consider him the in the highest regard in his information and for his efforts in his fight but with that being said no one is 100% right all the time and I would have to disagree with him on this one. I hope this issue will just be swept under the table and we can all fight on the same side. It peeves me that Loose Change, Alex Jones and the rest of that crew get along fine and ridicule us for looking like fools for chicken fighting at each other.

Liberty Or Death.

Mike Delaney
414-455-6606
call me with any questions or concerns.

[Anonymous]

I'm only going to respond to one thing.  I will NOT stand for a country based on "voting"....that is democracy, and demonocracy is pure CRAP.  I am all for LOCALLY controlled politics with representatives as the constitution intended (minus the hidden democratic processes, thanks jews and freemason founders) including EXTREMELY CLOSE oversight by ALL citizens of a given local area with the penalty of DEATH hanging VERY CLOSELY over the heads of those who wish to take it upon themselves to help the people by being a representative.  The first time one steps out of line, we hang the bastard in the town square until he's stinky, bloated, and full of holes from birds and insects.  Government MUST be held accountable, and EVERY citizen who wishes to be FREE MUST BE DILLIGENT in watching said govt and representatives.  Complicity would be reason for PERMANENT EXILE of the entire bloodline.  

Again, the voting is bullshit.  Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner.  I don't support any "elite" group running things.  AVERAGE citizens with families to care for should run their OWN govt. with the same love they give their household or they're just shitting in the hen house.  Small, tight, LOCAL control in the hands of THE PEOPLE.  NOT some self proclaimed elite group who is better than the rest.  Nobody is better...we all bleed and die the same and like I've said here numerous times....EVERYBODY has to sleep some time.  

I think people are taking things further than need be on John's account.  Call him and talk to him if you want.  He's a regular guy who's dabbled in this or that like any of us did as teenagers.  Hell, I used to dabble with the Ouija board and other crap, but I'm not satanist or freak.  (btw, those things are dangerous, lol)

[Anonymous]

John I asked you to come clean on your satanic past, and in a way you did but also in a way you are still flashing satanic stuff, IN PLANE SIGHT, which makes me wonder.................

Your post is exactly the kind of paranoid delusional nonsense that I have repeatedly warned others about.

I will give two simple examples for the people here. In your post you write at the end:" E Pluribus Unum" (Out of many one) I KNOW you are aware of the meaning of this given your satanic (past). This lovely little sentence is actually very satanic, in a bad way. Nr 1 it stands for "fasci" aka the bound arrows of fascism, which is also present in congress, and used in illuminati symbolism.

E Pluribus Unum is penned to my post because only when we are together will we be able to defeat our Owners. You clearly don't understand the meaning of the Fasci and do not seem to grasp that both positive and so-called negative symbols are used by well-meaning good guys and evil doers alike. Is an upside-cross evil or is it the cross of Saint Peter? Does an owl tattoo mean a person is a member of Bohemian Grove or does the person just likes owls? Does a pyramid on a construction company logo mean they're Illuminati or did they use it because a triangle represents strength?

"Out of many One" is not a sentence that a reformed satanist would use.

Really? Is it Satanic to insist on strength through unity? Is it Satanic to point out that it is our division that forms our weakness?

There is of course nothing wrong with being a freedom lover/anarchist, but going into satanism to realize that, is obviously the wrong way.

Really? There are two ultimate figures of rebellion: Satan and Christ. The Christians are a bit lacking these days in the area of rebellion and instead opt to be sheep led to slaughter in decadent churches erected to material lust. It makes perfect sense that a youth would be attracted to a philosophically heavy and intellectually rebellious religion. I would hardly call it the wrong way, as nearly any experience can be beneficial. Where outsiders speak of knowing the path I walked, I actually walked it.

nr 1 dragging the evil vatican into this to defend one's position is weak at best.

This is a prime example of limited, paranoid, and defensive fear-based thinking. My sentence is hardly structured in a way that supports your claim that I am "dragging the evil vatican into this" to defend my position. The Vatican was merely mentioned in passing but since your mind is operating on a infantile reptilian reactionary level such clarity will continue to escape you.

nr 2 Those lovely heroic Cathars were actually Separdic kabbalistic Jews, yup, SEPHARDIC KABBALISTIC JEWS. (read the book "the dying god" for reference). so in short in your own, unwitting, words you have just equated your belief with Jewish Kabbalism. Satanism is all about kabbalism, but that you knew already.

Regardless of what you believe of the Cathars, they were mentioned as merely one sect of Gnostics. I never claimed to mirror their beliefs but your delusions and sensationalist hysteria certainly offers that I have.

In my book you have fallen somewhat short of the so called measure of "righteous forthrightness and honesty". You still appear to have allegiance to Satanic/illuminism, given your revealing "In plane sight" defence/words.

so I will reiterate my previous call upon you to come clean, and truly come up with blows to these illuminists/satanists/kabbalists, instead of flashing "illuminati" stuff in plane sight for those with eyes to see.

I have no desire to entertain paranoid whelps. You have little understanding of the things you profess the ability to detect. Your mindset will continue to devise "clues" for my allegiances in the most insignificant details. Therefore, like the Jew, away with you.


Regards,
John

[Anonymous]

He is single and as much as he tried connecting with a girl he has no 'game' at being able to talk to a girl. LOL. I was shocked at this. In his videos he is calculated, cold and precise. In front of a girl he is a little boy shaking in his boots not knowing what to do with himself.

   Clearly my super-Satanic patented Tony Robbins neuro-linguistic programming mind control hypno-voice isn't working on Mike. He was supposed to talk about how insignificant he felt after a swarm of women went on and on about my demonic fifteen inch dong and then mention how between my winning personality, incessant jokes about Jews and noxious flatulence, women find me utterly irresistible.

[Ralph Furely]

seriously, great thread.    

[sirbadman]

This is a very interesting thread. Thank you John and Mike for clarifying a few things. As far as who I am, I really can't afford to put myself out in the open. I'm not a very important person but I could be googled up, let me put it that way. The company I work for has freemason logo type stuff going on. It is easier to be brave when you have nothing to lose.

I can understand why DBS keeps his privacy secure because there is no doubt his info is pretty much the best out there, especially the financial stuff which keeps ringing true. I really hope his site stays online.

John, you made a valid point. I have not tried to make multiple youtube videos in one sitting before. Given the detail of Mike's post it looks like he has done quite a bit to check out your motivations.

I don't have any problems with any of the questions I have asked or implications I have made in my previous post and likewise  I dont have any problems with what DBS said in the podcast. Really, there should be a lot of questions about this project off the grid stuff. I've only seen the vids on Prothink's site which are obviously promoting it.

[Canard]

He is single and as much as he tried connecting with a girl he has no 'game' at being able to talk to a girl. LOL. I was shocked at this. In his videos he is calculated, cold and precise. In front of a girl he is a little boy shaking in his boots not knowing what to do with himself.

   Clearly my super-Satanic patented Tony Robbins neuro-linguistic programming mind control hypno-voice isn't working on Mike. He was supposed to talk about how insignificant he felt after a swarm of women went on and on about my demonic fifteen inch dong and then mention how between my winning personality, incessant jokes about Jews and noxious flatulence, women find me utterly irresistible.

Ok that's my favorite post of all time.  :lol:  I wasn't sure if you were alright before, now i'm sure of it.

[AK3N470N]

This is definitely one of the better threads that I have read in quite some time. Lots of different ideas and views of society in general. I do not disagree with any of these view points except for the extreme paranoia going on by some. I can understand the paranoia felt by Mike to John and by John to Mike because they made the next step to actually meet in person. When this transition happens one is putting their trust and well being on the line. Especially when one is taking a plane or bus to go to stay at someones house that you only know through your quest for truth. Christopher Bollyn comes to mind. In this type of event dis-trust would be acceptable. If Mike feels John is legitimate to the cause and at this point only Mike knows John on a face to face basis, why is it of concern to those who have never met John to care so deeply about his past?

I'm not saying we shouldn't investigate those who place themselves on a pedestal where there is guaranteed ridicule, but such people who make the choice to become leaders and who produce information and presentations that I can distribute locally can only be commended for their efforts. From my standpoint, it doesn't matter and has never mattered what someones past is when they create work I can pass onto others. Johns style of making youtube videos when I send them to others, they result has been consistent that they want to see more. Mixing cold hard truth that one can google up as they watch the video spliced with humour is what catches peoples attention. I'm not sure how someone can say you produce too much of anything unless what they are producing is garbage. If you have a problem with the message someone is saying that is acceptable but wanting to know everything about someones past when you have not and maybe will never personally meet them is a waste of time IMO.

How do you approach people on the street when you are trying to wake them up, if you are successful what if the person you woke up has a "dark past"?

In the western world especially America it makes perfect sense to be suspicious of any member to the opposing faction which is preparing to enslave us. Guilty till they prove themselves innocent if that is how you want to view it. But to worry about every persons past as well as examine all members from the network we are up against, I have no time to do that.

If all the blackmailed politicians were to turn on their masters in mass and spill VERY useful info do we worry that they may have been member to a secret society or do we take their information and use it against the people they have blown the whistle on?

We always say that we wish someone from the inside would turn because that is the easiest way for us to win. I have contact with a Jewish person who knows what I know on this subject but feels the entire perception of Judaism presented to us is polluted. This person only cares for the Torah but I read somewhere not sure in this forum or the comment section of Prothink's site that Torah Jews can't be trusted and look at gentiles in disgust. This Jew doesn't see me in disgust and has used one of my quotes for her "great book of quotes" as she calls it. There are Jews awake and Jews who are anti-Zionist, anti-Pharisaic/anti-Talmudic but how do we reach these people when we are always saying Zionist-Jew this, Jew that etc? They don't want to hear it because it is insulting to them (doesn't speak for them and lumps them together) but they continue to learn about the crimes by going to truth seekers who don't use those words. I have even been suckered into this training of thought and it wasn't until very recently (my first post in this thread would have been changed) that she explained this to me. Does this now mean I am an agent who is working with Jews?  :evil:  :twisted: J00?

It is sad that AJ and Loose Change group can get along and we can't even get through a basic thread without bickering and highly paranoid delusions. I will leave with this. Those of you who want to be suspicious of peoples pasts, be suspicious of everyone's past and who everyone is that either makes videos/documentaries or does radio shows. If you don't want to have that double standard then just worry about the information that the person is sharing with you.

AK3N470N

[Anonymous]

I have contact with a Jewish person who knows what I know on this subject but feels the entire perception of Judaism presented to us is polluted. This person only cares for the Torah but I read somewhere not sure in this forum or the comment section of Prothink's site that Torah Jews can't be trusted and look at gentiles in disgust. This Jew doesn't see me in disgust and has used one of my quotes for her "great book of quotes" as she calls it. There are Jews awake and Jews who are anti-Zionist, anti-Pharisaic/anti-Talmudic but how do we reach these people when we are always saying Zionist-Jew this, Jew that etc? They don't want to hear it because it is insulting to them (doesn't speak for them and lumps them together) but they continue to learn about the crimes by going to truth seekers who don't use those words. I have even been suckered into this training of thought and it wasn't until very recently (my first post in this thread would have been changed) that she explained this to me. Does this now mean I am an agent who is working with Jews? :evil: :twisted: J00?

Well said.  For the True Torah "Jews", one thing we need to understand is Torah can mean the Pentateuch, it can mean the Tanakh as well, or it can mean Talmud as well.  http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... n_Law.html

These guys at the three sites of Jews against Zionism, have the Talmud in reference to certain things on their site.  This is the reason to be weary.  How do we know they don't use all the teachings while putting up a false front that they only use the "Torah" - of which is implied the Tanakh.  Do a search on their site and you will see they reference the Talmud, and hold it in esteem.  As far as I am concerned they are deceptive in their claim that they are "True Torah Jews".  They make it seem like the Talmud says good things, while failing to mention the clearly bad things in it... if they follow and hold the Talmud is such high regard on par at the same level as the original Torah (Tanakh), how can they ignore the commentaries and tractates of the evil therein?

...will live striving for holiness secure in faith awaiting the true Moshiach led by pious sages ruled by Torah and Talmud trusting in G'd.
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/nyt/nyt041972.html

First let me explain the relationship of the Torah and the Talmud, so you understand that they are both equally revered by all Orthodox Jews without exception.
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/about ... temNo=1052

You mention the Talmud. Let me alert you to the fact that we and all Orthodox Jews accept the authority of the Talmud.
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/about ... temNo=1047


So is your friend a follower of the Pentateuch Torah, the Tanakh Torah, or the whole of Written and Oral Law and calls it Torah?  Yes Judaism is polluted.  It has been controlled and warped.  That is why we need to be cautious when dealing with people who pretend to follow only a certain canon, but when we look deeper we find they are lying.  Given my research, I would not trust a majority of the Orthodox "Jews", and I wouldn't trust anyone who is in the halachic tradition.

But for anyone to blindly caste all "Jews" into the same pot when they don't adhere to any religious or hateful philosophy is egregious. Yes they can have a level of tribal loyalty due to their ignorance, but so do many non-"Jews", would we be so quick to cast them aside as well for their ignorance?  We have to be better than the enemy, more caring, more respectful of life and the mistakes everyone makes in being deceived, non-"Jews" and "Jews" alike.  To treat dupes and idiots as being culpable on the same level as the true criminals is a huge fallacy.  Be cautious always, but when judging comes, judge rightly.

That is where I stand.

Peace.