Hitler the Zionist Jew and Enemy of Europe?

[SPECTEC]

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Thanks, fighter4good. If those aren't Masonic handshakes, what is?

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

So Tim, was Hitler a Masonic Jew? Yes or No? I've shook a few hands like that on occasion, not that I was trying to but it just kind of happened that way.  I guess I'm a Mason huh?  :lol:  

This picture approach is pretty lame guys. Seriously. Smells like Henry Makow who has crappy facts spread everywhere -- not worth the time to clean it up, even with a hose.  

Deanna had a pretty good show on this recently.  Worth a listen for those interested in Truth:

http://www.spingola.com/DeannaFourthReich.mp3

[fighter4good]

So Tim, was Hitler a Masonic Jew? Yes or No? I've shook a few hands like that on occasion, not that I was trying to but it just kind of happened that way.  I guess I'm a Mason huh?  :lol:  

This is picture approach is pretty lame guys. Seriously. Smells like Henry Makow who has crappy facts spread everywhere -- not worth the time to clean it up, even with a hose.  

Check the hand - CSR

No surprises there. And that folks is proof positive that Jewish behavior does not change regardless of the costume they seem to be wearing. A case study in redirection tactics used by these people over and over again. Meet CSR, the prolific poster with a definite agenda...crypto Judaism!

not worth the time to clean it up, even with a hose.

....That's fucking hilarious!


Go ahead ban me, I already know how you totalitarian fuckers get down. The solution to Jewish tyranny...Jewish Fascism!




Oh, one last thing; Your hero schicklgruber used to have sex with his niece...that's called incest.

"Concerning him who loves his neighbours, who befriends his relatives, marries his sister's daughter ( This is a meritorious act, because the affection a man has for his sister will be extended to her daughter, his wife.)"— Babylonian Talmud: Yebamoth 62b

It has been contended that the neurotic tendency of Jews is due to these consanguineous (cousins marrying and for Jews also, uncles & nieces marrying) marriages."
Jewish encyclopedia 1906 edition, under CONSANGUINITY AMONG JEWS

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

fighter4good, it would be pretty lame if you got banned for simply expressing your opinion. Hopefully it won't happen.

Regarding your post, racialist posters on this forum like CSR conveniently fail to recognize Jewish ideology in Nazism. It isn't absurd for you to say that it's Judaism, because it is. Nazism and Judaism are two sides of the same coin, two peas in a pod. Evil cannot overcome evil, as our Lord once said.

[fighter4good]

Michael Collins Piper, ZCF, Prothink and this clown CSR are all agents pushing Jewish Fascism. Their job is to make you think the world revolves around those two ideologies, In order to keep your mind locked in one of the two Jew derived mental constructs. They don't want you to look for any other solutions except the one they give you. Just look at Michael Collins Piper and all his absurd claims about Rockefeller that have proven to be a lie.

"The Rockefeller are no more" -MCP

"The Rockefeller are not Jewish" - MCP (add ridiculously deceptive laugh)

If this guy who looks like he just ate two babies (with all the trimmings) is not Jewish then we need to re-evaluate non-Jewish European's role in this world wide conspiracy. If Rockefeller is not Jewish then how could he be part of the Jewish Sanhedrin who is trying to take over the world?

"The world plan of the Jewish Sanhedrin - the heads of Zionism who desire to control the world - led by the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers...The Sanhedrin controls all sources of information. No large newspaper is free from Zionist control. Every large radio and TV chain is under their control...every system of education and religion is under their control."
- Henry Klein, New York Jewish lawyer, writing in his book ZIONISM RULES THE WORLD and A JEW EXPOSES THE JEWISH WORLD CONSPIRACY

You think the world media left out both the Rothschild family  and the Rockefeller family out of Forbes richest list because the Rockefeller are gentiles?



This is only one example of the kind of dishonest nonsense coming out of this pro Fascist deceit driven camp and there are many more!

"Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." ~ David Rockefeller, "Memoirs of David Rockefeller" p.405

[mgt23]

CSR..........can you answer my previous post regarding the churchill/bruening letters of jew banks in germany financing nsdap? am listening to the deanna show now.

[fighter4good]

I've shook a few hands like that on occasion, not that I was trying to but it just kind of happened that way.  I guess I'm a Mason huh?  :lol:  

"Yeah I remember back in 1978, my friend Haim, um I mean Henry and I had a few too many and man we were thumbing and knuckling all night. So you see boys and girls Masonic handshakes are just that common. And no I won't submit to a polygraph concerning that story, so don't ask" - CSR


...SHUT THE FUCK UP! Anyone who can not see past these Jewish deception tactics needs to just go back to their pre-"awakened" days and call it a day because you obviously have not learned a thing about how these deceivers operate.


Now Mr:

"check the hand" -CSR

Has done a complete 180

"This is picture approach is pretty lame guys." - CSR

If that knuckle to thumb handshake were as common as CSR claims we would not even be researching who was a Mason and who wasn't because it would be a fruitless endeavor. Just like the Jews, the stories coming out of this Fascist camp is forever morphing into something utterly ridiculous.



let me guess; nobody sees the Jew in the nice suit.


These fuckers are all ACTORS! Remember this one (he now writes for The Barnes Review) out of his Nazi uniform & lecturing Black folks on their stolen legacy:

[youtube:2wvxjwxy]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7n7kPnuZUY[/youtube]2wvxjwxy]


It's all a show folks. The world is one big Jewish stage!

[youtube:2wvxjwxy]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZy3MyFxTME[/youtube]2wvxjwxy]

Notice the cult triangle symbol Kokesh is flashing in the beginning of this video.
Also note that he never actually refutes using the same actor in the role of two different cops but instead rambles on (Just like CSR does) about "dancing" & "Jedi mind powers"
[youtube:2wvxjwxy]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JELaHMvtCc[/youtube]2wvxjwxy]




I repeat, It's all a show.
[youtube:2wvxjwxy]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG5n5NETOrU[/youtube]2wvxjwxy]

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Michael Collins Piper, ZCF, Prothink and this clown CSR are all agents pushing Jewish Fascism. Their job is to make you think the world revolves around those two ideologies, In order to keep your mind locked in one of the two Jew derived mental constructs. They don't want you to look for any other solutions except the one they give you. Just look at Michael Collins Piper and all his absurd claims about Rockefeller that have proven to be a lie.

F4G, you are new here right?  

I just asked if Hitler was a Mason.  Apparently everyone like Tim, F4G and maybe SPECTEC "believes" it to be so.  I don't.  The photographs are pretty lame as proof.

Agents of Jewish Fascism? Really that's news to me.  I am pushing resistance to the JWO by investigating history in depth and not reading lame Jew written books by cryptos spouting crap about the Illuminati or Hitler.  Obviously you guys don't read in-depth history about people and topics from well sourced writers -- but instead rely on crappy Jew written books. The crap then begins to show up here at TIU and reads like Henry Makow lite with the same stupid stench. Millions of people died fighting because of Jewish Treachery in all of the wars but you are too stupid to realize that Adolf Hitler and NSDAP really did take a stand against them in every respect that they practically could.  So.... The minute I hear "Jewish Fascism" I think immediately:
 
A. that shout is from a Jew/Crypto-Jew/Crypto-communist.   Simply a J-Tribe defender.  
B. or, the scream is from a Muslim who wants to blame Hitler for the influx of millions of Jews into the Middle East instead of aiming at the J-Tribers themselves.  
C. or, the guy is a parrot or writer for any number of J-Tribe apologists like Henry Makow or Alex Jones.

   I am of the opinion that Tim and yourself F4G are probably crypto-something.  You guys tend to derail "research" into topics based on sources of at least some repute especially related to Hitler and the NSDAP. You dodge my questions repeatedly, so of course I'll dodge yours since they are hardly based on fact or good sources most of the time.  You dredge up questionable photos and claim they are "proof" of a masonic handshake, or point to a "death head" symbol and call it "Jewish-Kabballah", or just say "it's the bankers" influence without specifics, or just babble that Hitler was "fully compromised", etc.  It just makes me think you guys in particular don't read and think for yourselves, and are simply not careful in analysis.  Instead you all just parrot the Henry Makows who are typically full of crap.    

I really think you should go join up with Alex Jones. He's always blaming the Arabs, Nazis and Fascists for everything -- and he doesn't care about facts and truth  but instead he cares about entertainment and the Fritz Springmeiers.  

Keep in mind, I'm not a nice guy when it comes to facts.  I don't like Jew lies--- and I've heard and seen Jew lies far more than you could ever imagine. I have familiarity with their scams big and small.  Don't leave your analysis "one-dimensional" when you come to TIU. Crypto-Jews like    Fritz Springmeier and their dupes will have you believe a thousand specious lies in order to run cover for Jew crimes.                

Finally, there is no "mind-lock" here dumb-ass.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Where is lord sidious when you need him?

MCP, ZCF, CSR, and the rest are like children. If the enemy isn't wearing a cape and tights with "Jew" stitched onto his chest, they won't think anything of it. But what can you expect from racialists? They have no spiritual depth. And for them to admit the existence of the Illuminati and the significant threat they pose, would require them to admit, at least to themselves, of some form of spiritual bondage outside of the racialist construct they have limited themselves to. And who wants to think uncomfortable things?

[mgt23]

[youtube:2jx95sdt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31vMaNNKQ9Y[/youtube]2jx95sdt]

.......how masons are nazis, from a pro jew perspective.....with a pro jew messiah mythology. Interesting how zundel was into all that UFO balls before he became a revisionist.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

mgt23 when are you going to start reading? Your vid has nothing connecting the NSDAP to Jewry, the Masons or even that the Thule Society was important other than sponsoring early Nationalist movements. The attempted Bolshevik takeover of Germany in 1919 led to several Thule members getting killed.

Looks like you (and Timmy) have been raised up watching the JewTube too much (or reading Jew Conspiracy writers) to think accurately about history ... you eat known "J-Half Truths" with a big spoon (or maybe a shovel).

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The Occult Roots of Nazism

by Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, U.K.: Aquarian Press, 1985. Hardbound, 293 pages, illustrations, $23.50, ISBN 0-85030-402-4.

Reviewed by William Grimstad

Although the gas chamber mythos has been the center-piece of ongoing Establishment efforts to diabolize the Third Reich, there has been a parallel attempt to remove that epoch from objective consideration by casting it in a less homicidal but more bizarrely demoniacal light. Linking National Socialism to occultism has served several purposes: making the Hitler period look spooky, or at least a bit "kooky"; alienating people of traditional religious outlook, and not least, cashing in on the lucrative bookselling fad of recent years sometimes called the "occult explosion."

Such books as The Morning of the Magicians or The Occult and the Third Reich first broached the notion that the National Socialist era, in addition to its multifarious other evils, had actually been conjured up by wicked wirepullers behind the visible leaders. We were introduced to the enigmatic figures of Rudolf von Sebottendorf and other supposed adepts of the fabled Thule Society, which now have become household words among even casual students of the period; and behind them an earlier strain of philosophers who, shockingly enough, had erected a religious worldview upon "Aryan" racialism.

Conveniently, the German regime's avowed pro-Aryan policies now could be faulted not only as leading to the Holocaust. They also became the butt of ridicule for travestying science or of opprobrium for trying to harness powers of evil. Still better, the always awkward fact of broad electoral support for the National Socialist program in one of the world's most advanced countries likewise could be explained: an entire nation had been mesmerized by baleful cultic Svengalis.

Goodrick-Clarke's book was published several years ago in England, but has begun finding its way into the book trade here. As it represents a substantial research effort, one naturally wonders about the author's inclinations. Little biographical information is furnished, but the acknowledgments do contain a couple of names of interest. The first one thanked is Ellic Howe, a leading personality within the United Grand Lodge of England, reputedly the world's predominant Masonic organization. Howe writes frequently in Ars Quatuor Coronatorum, the controlled circulation research journal of the lodge, whose enmity to National Socialism is glaring.

The author next salutes Norman Cohn, the British Holocaustorian who has made a career of microscopically analyzing the sensational Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion as a literary impetus for the later Holocaust. On the strength of such thinly veiled pro-Zionist essays as his Warrant for Genocide, Cohn worked his way to the top of the historical hierarchy at Oxford, and there supervised Goodrick-Clarke's studies, where the present volume began as a Ph.D. thesis.

Revisionists may raise eyebrows at such auspices, but my impression is that Goodrick-Clarke generally avoids the tendentiousness of his mentors. Although marred by annoying knee-jerks and tics of minor residual bias, this remains a thorough and levelheaded inquiry into a topic severely mauled by hacks. It also offers, for the first time known to me in English, a window into the amazingly extensive and frankly quite fascinating German nationalist literature of the period.

His subtitle, "The Ariosophists of Austria and Germany, 1890-1935," refers to a body of ideas which once had a substantial following in the German-speaking world. The ideas centered on the writings of two Austrians, Guido von List (1848-1919) and Jörg Lanz von Liebenfels (1874-1954). Ariosophy is used by the author as a generic for this "lore of the Aryans" that was expounded by the two men.

Guido von List (the aristocratic von was self-assumed) was raised a Catholic but early took interest in Nordic paganism, which he coupled with a profound attraction to nature. An ardent rebel against modernity, which he associated with the spreading metropolis of fin-de-siècle Vienna and all its decadent ways, List's happiest moments came on rambles through the Austrian countryside, and he began his literary career with newspaper pieces on the rural scene, depicted as highly spiritualized. He was concerned to furnish an ideological backdrop to the pan-German movement led by such nationalist politicians as Georg von Schoenerer and Vienna Mayor Karl Lueger.

Later, List worked out what was essentially a clairvoyant reconstruction of the distant past, elaborating a vast mythology of an ancient Wotanist priesthood, the Armanenschaft. They supposedly held sway in Europe until the Christian conversion, but now were confined to clandestine status, perpetuating the ancient Aryan lore through a small élite, among whom he numbered himself.

Eventually, List built up a fairly wide readership and a Guido von List Society, sponsored by prestigious people, was established. With the coming of the First World War, the appeal of such a philosophy grew greatly, especially in Germany, and List also found a wider field for analysis of the destructive elements arrayed against the Central Powers. He dubbed these the Great International Party, in a fair anticipation of the World Zionist Organizations and Trilateral Commissions of our own day.

Adolf Josef Lanz also was born in Vienna, of middle-class Catholic parents. Like List, he assumed an aristocratic pedigree and the pompous Jörg Lanz von Liebenfels moniker, although his claim to this title was never disproven. He was inspired by List and became one of the older guru's early backers, but Lanz's Ariosophical interests were different. As a young man he had entered a Cistercian abbey as a novice monk, and although he left after a time, he remained enthralled by medieval Catholicism.

Lanz was disinterested in Listian oracular recreations of the German past, but he did have his own candidate for an ancient Aryan secret priesthood that supposedly had survivors in the modern era: the Knights Templar, a Catholic order suppressed for heresy in the 1300s. He founded his Ordo Novi Templi (Order of the New Temple) around 1907 in the medieval castle of Burg Werfenstein, which perched dramatically above the Danube with a swastika and fleur-de-lis flag over its tower. Goodrick-Clarke is much perturbed at the racialist slant of this literature. Actually, such material was commonplace in many Western countries at that time: imperial Britain had its "white man's burden" ethic purveyed to a huge audience by poet Rudyard Kipling; and here in America, anthropologist Lothrop Stoddard could publish a best-selling book entitled The Rising Tide of Color.

As the author's exhaustive analysis, if not his own conclusions, makes clear, however, Ariosophy played only a very incidental role in the rise of National Socialism. Although Hitler may have known of List, there is no proof of it, and only an indication that he had read Lanz's Ostara magazine as a young man. He was not impressed, to judge by his ridicule of " völkisch wandering scholars" and antiquarian cultists in Mein Kampf.

Of far greater import in the political arena was Baron Rudolf von Sebottendorf von der Rose (born Adam Alfred Rudolf Glauer in 1875), although his role too has been distorted. Goodrick-Clarke has done an excellent job of analyzing the available material on this colorful international adventurer. Once again, however, Sebottendorf's involvement with Freemasonry, Muslim dervishes and the Turkish revolution cannot be convincingly tied to his pan-Germanism, except that they may have predisposed him to backstage activism. What he does deserve credit for is having the political savvy, virtually alone among a welter of confused nationalists and anti-Communists in southern Bavaria, to see what was needed in Germany and the conviction to stake his personal resources on that.

After joining the moribund Germanenorden in 1916, Sebottendorf quickly revived the Bavarian section and began using the nominal cultural society as a center for political action during the brewing Marxist revolution, adopting the Thule Society name as a "cover" to divert Red suspicions. He purchased the Beobachter newspaper (later the National Socialists' Völkischer Beobachter ); stockpiled weapons; schemed to kidnap the Communist leader, Kurt Eisner; infiltrated spies into the Communist cadres, and organized the Kampfbund Thule paramilitary group which joined with other Free Corps units in the successful attack on Munich's Communist government on April 30, 1919.

Most important, of course, was Sebottendorf's recognition of the need for a new type of worker-based party to deal with the unprecedented Red threat. He founded the German Workers Union in 1918, the most active member of which was Anton Drexler, who went on to start the German Workers Party, which was joined, taken over, and renamed the National Socialist German Workers' Party by Adolf Hitler in 1919.

Meanwhile, Sebottendorf's political career ended abruptly that same year, when Communists seized seven Thule Society members and executed them on April 30, triggering international outrage and at last galvanizing the Munich citizenry into ousting the Marxists. Sebottendorf was blamed for having allowed the Thule membership list to fall into the Reds' hands, although there were those who suggested that this was his Machiavellian intent all along, as the ensuing creation of martyrs played a key role in the nationalist victory.

In any case, Rudolf von Sebottendorf was in no way a puppet-master of the much later Third Reich, which indeed treated him with some hostility. Rather, he was an unusually shrewd political operative at a critical formative period, whose personal courage kept him battling in Red Munich long after many others had retreated. One wonders exactly what situation would have awaited the inexperienced Hitler had Sebottendorf not laid this groundwork.

* * * * *

Anyone trying to arrive at a rational understanding of this important period has been painfully aware of the jabberwock literature that has held the floor since the Second World War, ranging from popular novels through journalistic exposes to solemn histories, and treating of everything from "Holocaust studies" through postwar "Nazi war criminal" skullduggeries.

Although it may seem extreme to link a Lucy Dawidowicz with the latest Hitler-is-alive tabloid tale, the fact is that they are on a continuum of literature which enforces a Manichean, total-evil view of the National Socialist era, from the academic down to the comic-book levels, a peculiar situation that does not exist in any other known area of inquiry.

Moreover, it is not that the literary establishment simply neglects to repudiate this trashier output. In fact, it has actively promoted it. The books in question are published by major houses, and get conventional review and promotional attention. Such a state of affairs would never exist in regard to sensationalized titles critical of Israeli Zionism, for example. Clearly, then, a Revisionist laying to rest of this material is long overdue; the present book, despite its lacks, is a start.

Goodrick-Clarke traces the origin of the Lovecraftian school of Third Reich historiography to the self-proclaimed German rocket engineer, Willy Ley, who emigrated here in 1935 and spent the ensuing years working on Hollywood science fiction films. In 1947, Ley wrote an article for a "pulp" fantasy magazine ridiculing pseudoscience in Germany, which he claimed included a Berlin sect attempting to conjure up the mysterious vril force described by British novelist Edward Bulwer-Lytton in his The Coming Race (1871), supposedly conveying to its adepts total power over the world.

This was sufficient to spark off, in 1960, the first and probably most enduring of the genre, The Morning of the Magicians by French journalists Louis Pauwels and Jacques Bergier. A vast farrago of misquotations, sheer fabrications and exclamation points, this opus touched base on the major points that were to become standard for the type:

The rise and early success of National Socialism were due, not to sober choice by the German electorate, followed by hard work of a capable people, but to supernatural forces;
The forces are described as either discarnate, like Bulwer's vril , or as the doings of godlike "ascended masters" in some remote and exotic location, usually Tibet;
It is possible to get into contact with this power, identified by Pauwels and Bergier as "the Master of the World or the King of Fear," and as it were plug in on the current for one's own ends in the mundane world;
Such liaison was a top-priority project of the German government, despite its other distractions;
The government's channel was the Thule Society, which in turn was the creature of the two evil geniuses, the playwright and early Hitler friend, Dietrich Eckart, and a professor of geopolitics at the University of Munich, Dr. Karl Haushofer. They used the Thule Society to control the state through Hitler, who is invariably described in the canon as a semi-hysterical "mediumistic" personality.

Later savants, such as Dietrich Bronder in his Before Hitler Came (1964), with its title rather crassly lifted from Sebottendorf's 1933 memoir, introduced the Ariosophical dimension of List and Lanz, including the pair in the Thule clique, along with Hitler, Mussolini, Göring and a who's who of Axis luminaries. With this, the menu was complete and numerous others could begin rehashing it, most notably Michel-Jean Angebert, The Occult and the Third Reich (1971); Trevor Ravenscroft, The Spear of Destiny (1972), and J.H. Brennan, Occult Reich (1974).

Placing his magnifying glass on the "MOM" genre, Goodrick-Clarke reports as follows:

There was no Vril Society or "Luminous Lodge," as the fabulists call it, although there was a "Lumenclub" in Vienna for some years after 1932, acting as a front for the banned National Socialist Party;
    Prof. Haushofer did endorse a thrust to the east, into Soviet territory, but strictly for obvious geopolitical reasons; his alleged goal of reaching the ascended masters in the Orient is "entirely false;" according to Goodrick-Clarke;
    Dietrich Eckart (who died in 1923), along with the young Alfred Rosenberg, attended a few early Thule meetings as guests but there is no evidence linking other Party leaders, or List, Lanz or Haushofer, with the group;
    The Thule Society was disbanded around 1925 because of declining membership and was never reorganized.

We certainly owe something to Goodrick-Clarke for so expertly skewering this pernicious nonsense, which has even tripped up major-league historians like Joachim Fest, although he does not follow through on the truly important question. The inimitable Holocaust, spotlighted by all these "schlock" authors as the result of the national demonic possession, still sits enshrined in its increasingly shopworn hideousness, even here.

Source: Reprinted from The Journal of Historical Review, vol. 11, no. 1, pp. 121-127.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v11/v11p121_Grimstad.html

[mgt23]

mgt23 when are you going to start reading? Your vid has nothing connecting the NSDAP to Jewry, the Masons or even that the Thule Society was important other than sponsoring early Nationalist movements. The attempted Bolshevik takeover of Germany in 1919 led to several Thule members getting killed.

..........i can tell you haven't even watched it.

1)i never said it was my view of the NSDAP
2)Because I've been in a ideological war with freemasons over the last two years i know that this film is a carbon copy of what THEY believe.
3)0:42:40secs +1min is here that the claim of NSDAP came out of Thule.
4)According to this film freemasons and illuminati teamed up to fight jewish capitalists, both sides being orchestrated by the brotherhood of the (jew) serpent which strangely Tim has done a piece on regarding the Kabbalistic Serpent.
5)Why is it that zundel was writing books on UFO's before he became known for revisionism? Where did he get that meme? Freemasonry? Or was Thule a offshoot of a masonic sect, which became a version of anti-freemasonry?

....i am saying that NSDAP historical atlantean mythology of the aryan race was freemasonic in origin with an added rosicrusion jew messiah. Why is it that this whole mythology gets bolted onto a classical anti judaic position?

.......this is quite an important film and point in general which is "Was National Socialism used for dialectical purposes for furthering Talmudic jewish power? And were there independent alternatives for fighting jewish power minus the pomp and are there alternatives now?"

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

.......how masons are nazis, from a pro jew perspective.....with a pro jew messiah mythology. Interesting how zundel was into all that UFO balls before he became a revisionist.

There is absolutely no question that Nazism is Messianic, the same messianism that led the Jews—in their arrogant racialist, nationalist pride—to rejecting Jesus Christ.

Checking out the vid now, thanks.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

mgt23, excellent video. It ties it up nicely on Hitler as controlled opposition. So, Anton Lavey's son in law is not joking when he calls him a "black magician."

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

mgt23, excellent video. It ties it up nicely on Hitler as controlled opposition. So, Anton Lavey's son in law is not joking when he calls him a "black magician."

:lol:


Mgt23, your fav Jew made video lifts directly from these sources:  

Michel-Jean Angebert, The Occult and the Third Reich (1971); Trevor Ravenscroft, The Spear of Destiny (1972), and J.H. Brennan, Occult Reich

Read this again:

Later savants, such as Dietrich Bronder in his Before Hitler Came (1964), with its title rather crassly lifted from Sebottendorf's 1933 memoir, introduced the Ariosophical dimension of List and Lanz, including the pair in the Thule clique, along with Hitler, Mussolini, Göring and a who's who of Axis luminaries. With this, the menu was complete and numerous others could begin rehashing it, most notably Michel-Jean Angebert, The Occult and the Third Reich (1971); Trevor Ravenscroft, The Spear of Destiny (1972), and J.H. Brennan, Occult Reich (1974).

Placing his magnifying glass on the "MOM" genre, Goodrick-Clarke reports as follows:

There was no Vril Society or "Luminous Lodge," as the fabulists call it, although there was a "Lumenclub" in Vienna for some years after 1932, acting as a front for the banned National Socialist Party;
    Prof. Haushofer did endorse a thrust to the east, into Soviet territory, but strictly for obvious geopolitical reasons; his alleged goal of reaching the ascended masters in the Orient is "entirely false;" according to Goodrick-Clarke;
    Dietrich Eckart (who died in 1923), along with the young Alfred Rosenberg, attended a few early Thule meetings as guests but there is no evidence linking other Party leaders, or List, Lanz or Haushofer, with the group;
    The Thule Society was disbanded around 1925 because of declining membership and was never reorganized.

We certainly owe something to Goodrick-Clarke for so expertly skewering this pernicious nonsense, which has even tripped up major-league historians like Joachim Fest, although he does not follow through on the truly important question. The inimitable Holocaust, spotlighted by all these "schlock" authors as the result of the national demonic possession, still sits enshrined in its increasingly shopworn hideousness, even here.

Source: Reprinted from The Journal of Historical Review, vol. 11, no. 1, pp. 121-127.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Your messianic views are getting tiresome, CSR. Get over it. Hitler will not rise from the dead and bring you whitetards to the promised land of Atlantis.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Your messianic views are getting tiresome, CSR. Get over it. Hitler will not rise from the dead and bring you whitetards    to the promised land of Atlantis.

:lol:

[mgt23]

So, Anton Lavey's son in law is not joking when he calls him a "black magician."

.....yup. Whats important is to understand that the jew believes the sum collective jewish race to be the serpent body, conscious of itself.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

So, Anton Lavey's son in law is not joking when he calls him a "black magician."

.....yup. Whats important is to understand that the jew believes the sum collective jewish race to be the serpent body, conscious of itself.

Absolutely.

On the Sabbath, One is Permitted to Charm Snakes

"The Talmud, the sacred law book of Judaism, includes a provision that on the Sabbath, one 'is permitted to charm snakes and serpents' (Sanhedrin 101a, 101b).

To 'charm' means to invoke, to invite or welcome, an entity (serpent or spirit) to come under your command and do your bidding. In this way, the beguiled snake could be induced by the charmer to stealthily seek out and destroy an enemy. The Zionist Serpent of Death, it is claimed, symbolically strikes at one enemy after another until all the world is bitten and defeated.

But the Serpent, in Judaic lore, legend, and sectarian doctrine, is more than a servant of the Jews. He is the Spiritual Director of the Great Work of the Illuminati Jews, and from the beginning, he brought to this planet his alchemical powers of deceit and seduction. In this capacity, the Serpent first met humankind, leading to his dialogue with Eve in the Garden of Eden."

—Texe Marrs, Conspiracy of the Six Pointed Star, page 41

Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, 3

"Today I may tell you that our goal is now only a few steps off. There remains a small space to cross and the whole long path we have trodden is ready now to close its cycle of the Symbolic Snake, by which we call or people."

The Solar Gods are the Fallen Angels....They are the Serpents of Wisdom...Their nature is knowledge and love.
—Helena Blavatsky, The Secret Doctrine

The Jews are proud of the fact that Moses, as we read in the Torah, supernaturally turned his rod into a serpent which then immediately consumed the serpents that had been produced by the magicians at Pharaoh's Court. The rabbis contend this is an example of how God gives the Righteous (Jews) serpentine protection through the magical ability to summon serpents from the lower regions to come and do their bidding."

Ultimately, say the rabbis, through supernatural magic, Leviathan himself will take up their cause, encircle the Earth, destroy their enemies, and, finally, serve both as Light of the World and as covering (defender) for the Holy City of Jerusalem.
Is then, Leviathan, the Holy Serpent of the Jews, the same beast as was prophesized by Daniel the prophet?

"The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces." (Daniel 7:23)

The Apostle John, too, pictured a beast in the last days, rising up out of the sea (Revelation 13:1). Is this Leviathan, the fish/serpent who, the Jewish Kabbalah says, will some day rise from the sea? Is this the Oroboros of the Mystery religions, the devouring serpent that encircles and conquers the world?

It is interesting to note that in the Old Testament's book of Job, we are given a very startling description of Leviathan. Nowhere else is there any kind of any evidence that this monstrous sea serpent is a deity.

—Texe Marrs, Conspiracy of the Six Pointed Start, page 51

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

A note about the video you posted, mgt23. Much of the Book of Enoch—which is part of the Catholic canon, but not Protestant canon—corroborates the concept of supernatural entities bringing technology, specifically weapons of war, to mankind for use against mankind. Of course, the supernatural entities that reportedly did this in the Book of Enoch were fallen angels.

Ancient Aliens: UFOs and the Third Reich

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If historians are correct that the Protestant movement was a Jewish movement created to weaken the Universal Church, Catholicism, it would make sense that the Protestants would suppress such documents as the Book of Enoch.

You might also want to check out the Book of Adam and Eve. Interesting book. Don't know if this book is canonical though. But interesting read nonetheless.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Has anyone ever successfully refuted the claim that Hitler falseflagged the Reichstag? We know that the Germans were carrying out mind control at the time, why couldn't Marinus Van der Lubbe been a Manchurian candidate at worst and a false confessor at best?



Another question: why didn't Jews popularize the idea that Hitler carried out a false flag? Suspicious, no?

[GordZilla]

Sorry haven't posted for awhile, as if you guys missed me      :?  ...  but had to jump in here, I found a good listen and it rather nicely sums up my understanding of Hitler, from as much as I have read about -and from- the man. It by no way disproves any of what's been debated here but gives a clear understanding on the man in question. I personally think when Hitler is viewed in this honest light a lot of this Jewish backed rhetoric can quickly be dismissed.... a Zionist? Really? Still believe that? What?! Did he help pen the Belfour declaration ??  :crazy:  ... ah another time ...but please do yourself a favour and listen to this fairly brief audio;

(Taken from the link);
"Leon Degrelle on the Life of Adolf Hitler
Published on October 17, 2012    by August in An Hour by the Window

In this program, August introduces and reads an essay entitled, The Enigma of Hitler, by Leon Degrelle, which was published in The Journal for Historical Review in 1994.  August begins by providing some basic details of the life of Degrelle himself, including his history as a Belgian nationalist, anticommunist, and future volunteer for the Waffen-SS.  Decorated by and personally acquainted with Adolf Hitler, Degrelle argues that "the enigma of Hitler" has persisted in part because in spite of all of the volumes of historical writing and discussion on Hitler, few have discovered the real Hitler.  The enigma of Hitler remains with us because of the extraordinary depth of Hitler himself, a fact taken in conjunction with a variety of myths about him.  August concludes by reiterating a point he has already made on previous shows: That coming to positive terms with Adolf Hitler is a necessary precondition for any salvaging and rescuing of our race.

Image: Leon Degrelle being congratulated and decorated by Adolf Hitler.

Break music: "Memories of Sunlight" and "Memory" from The Road soundtrack.

Email: worldswomb AT gmail DOT com"

http://thewhitenetwork.com/category/an- ... he-window/

Direct audio;
http://thewhitenetwork.com/data/audio/t ... 121017.mp3

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Welcome back, Gordo. Missed ya.

Let's not lose sight of the fundamentals of Zionism. Is Zionism merely the Jewish vision of establishing a theocracy based out of Jerusalem? Not exclusively. Zionism is the vision of a particular racial group seeking to establish heaven on earth, upon which, said race will rule and reign. Did the Nazis believe the latter definition? Absolutely, without equivocation. Both the Nazis and the Jews seek heaven on Earth as it pertains to their respective messiahs and the base for their earthly reign. This is undeniable. I challenge anyone to refute this simple fact. The differences between Nazism and Judaism are superficial and merely colour and tone. The fundamental connection between Nazism and Judaism is in their messianic expectation. Nazi ideology was the culmination of about 300 or 400 years of racialist development that found ground in the Protestant Reformation (15th century), fuelled by the occult and Kabbalah.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Welcome back Gord and well said...

Hey Timmmzee.... your source of "occult" credibility is crap... --CSR

Michel-Jean Angebert, The Occult and the Third Reich (1971); Trevor Ravenscroft, The Spear of Destiny (1972), and J.H. Brennan, Occult Reich

[GordZilla]

Ok I'll deny that Timmy, there is a difference! ; Hitler was about Nationalism - "Germany for Germans". He was not stuck on issues of race, he didn't believe in an 'Aryans only' Germany, that is just blatant Jewish propaganda about him. Nor did he want all the earth for Germans only -which is also a Jewish propagated myth about him. He wanted his homeland restored and nothing more. This is a big difference when compared to what Judaism wants, what Zionism wants. One wants to enslave all others i.e. Zionism. The other only wanted back what was rightfully theirs and was taken from them at the end of WW1 ...Germany, Nazism, sought to reclaim their land, their bank and their nation's right to self determination. Sorry Timmy but to believe they are two of the same peas in a pod couldn't be further from the truth. They are most definitely different movements. One is righteous in nature, Nationalism is that (in virtually every case 'nationalism' is a good thing for the people of the nation in question, just as sovereignty is) the other is completely evil in nature and seeks total dominance of all others, Hitler and Nationalism NEVER sought that.

 Be careful what you read and take for truth, the best source about Hitler is from the man himself, listen to or read some of what he had to say. Seems to me, and no offence here I hope but hard to avoid, seems to me you have bought into the Hollywood/Alex Jones version of the 'Nazis' but neither version reflects the truth about them ...and frankly you should know better.

And thanks for the 'welcome back' though I wasn't really gone. I'm always reading, I just haven't posted in a long time. I'm in a down slump in my life, you know the one well; where you feel utterly powerless to control your own destiny thanks to these Zio pig bastards. Well that was/is wearing on me, so sometimes I just can't be bothered, I'm sure you understand.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Ok I'll deny that Timmy, there is a difference! ; Hitler was about Nationalism - "Germany for Germans".

No different than "Israel for Jews."

He wanted his homeland restored and nothing more.

Same thing Jews want.

One is righteous in nature, Nationalism is that (in virtually every case 'nationalism' is a good thing for the people of the nation in question, just as sovereignty is) the other is completely evil in nature and seeks total dominance of all others, Hitler and Nationalism NEVER sought that.

As a self-proclaimed Christian, this is heresy. The Church has never supported nationalism. Furthermore, nationalism provides a proving ground for Jews. When Catholic Europe was weakened by Marranos and revolution, a Protestant Nationalism took its place. This same nationalism was a precursor to Christian Zionism. Historically, nationalism has benefited the Jews, and it's no different in the case of Nazi Germany. Jews were the clearest beneficiaries of the results of German nationalism. In fact, they provoked it through unfettered sexual liberation in the Weimar Republic. German nationalism has its roots with Protestant reformers like Martin Luther and Reuchlin, who were Kabbalists and Judaizers. Luther later dropped those views, but his Judaizing influence remained.

 

...seems to me you have bought into the Hollywood/Alex Jones version of the 'Nazis' but neither version reflects the truth about them ...and frankly you should know better.

This has nothing to do with Alex Jones. Besides, I was one of the first to expose Fatboy.

In further study, it turns out that British Israelism (Christian Identity) is a Judaizing cult in the tradition of the Jewish-led Protestant Reformation, starting with the Hussites, Taborites, and Waldensians. All of these groups were fostered and financed by Marrano Jews. So, unless you have recanted your previously stated beliefs, you, my friend, are part of a Judaizing sect, which is ironic considering your anti-Judaic sentiments.

[GordZilla]

Well wait no;  Jews want the "WORLD for Jews" and 'Homeland' to Jews is again the WORLD, that's a big difference.  

 In my mind there are only two viable alternatives to nationalism in any given culture or nation or government in any state across the world and they are; anarchy or internationalism. Anarchy sounds great but fails, ultimately,  in that man's nature leads to rule of the strongest, which later turns to a dictatorship or communism. Internationalism removes a region's (and all regions)  sovereignty and their right to self determination – whats good for us on this side of the world is now good for you over there. 'It's hot here so we mandate all houses shall be made of grass' of course that's a tongue and check example but, in essence, that is what happens. Of course it's not practical, but nor would it be sympathetic to nations that could not, or would not, keep up. Internationalism has to be maintained by international laws and policing. Sure there are grey areas here but in general as far as law and order goes those 3 are the world's options. Only one comes even close to giving individuals any sense of community, nationality and self determination. So in that sense I would choose nationalism over all others.

 Zionism relates closest to internationalism, but in their prescribed ideal form it would be an international dictatorship. This is completely unrelated to Hitler's nationalism. Failing to see that is dishonest. Often people have a problem with nationalism because of the fact it is related -in their minds- to National Socialism (Hitler's Nationalism) but nationalism has been a core tenant of most if not all successful cultures known to man. Some of our greatest accomplishments spurred forth from countries that allowed individual freedoms and secured a nationalistic pride.  Nationalism is not a dirty word, well it never had been prior to the moment the Jews had their way with the world's history books. Before than it was often seen as a good thing, a source of pride, heck even God Himself prefers this method of law and order (under a monarchy of course). Internationalism is also an eye sore to God, its not only us 'Jew wise' folk who don't clamour around the idea of 'Globalism' -He doesn't either.

Granted it was a small point to miss, Timmy, but you did - so again; Zionism wants THE WORLD for it's own and to enslave, Hitler's Nationalism never wanted that  and that is the core difference.

 Now as for Hitler being Christian, I never brought that up but I would contend he was -at least-  Christian leaning. He certainly seemed to believe in a creator and he certainly made an effort not to disassociate his Christian brethren.   The jury is out on that one, but again I was not making that argument. Perhaps it was my use of the word 'righteous' that tipped you off to that line of argument, however I see many things that can be righteous simply by being right and true and not necessarily Christian. My only point is to illustrate that nationalism and zionism are not related, they are not the same and by a good measure.

[mgt23]

Well wait no; Jews want the "WORLD for Jews" and 'Homeland' to Jews is again the WORLD, that's a big difference.

........you speak as if Lebensraum never existed in NSDAP ideology. Linking through the danzig corridor is one thing to unify germans, Lebensraum is another matter entirely. For Hitler the Nation was the party, everyone else were tools.

In my mind there are only two viable alternatives to nationalism in any given culture or nation or government in any state across the world and they are; anarchy or internationalism.

......in your mind i hasten to add.

Anarchy sounds great but fails, ultimately, in that man's nature leads to rule of the strongest, which later turns to a dictatorship or communism. Internationalism removes a region's (and all regions) sovereignty and their right to self determination – whats good for us on this side of the world is now good for you over there. 'It's hot here so we mandate all houses shall be made of grass' of course that's a tongue and check example but, in essence, that is what happens. Of course it's not practical, but nor would it be sympathetic to nations that could not, or would not, keep up. Internationalism has to be maintained by international laws and policing. Sure there are grey areas here but in general as far as law and order goes those 3 are the world's options. Only one comes even close to giving individuals any sense of community, nationality and self determination. So in that sense I would choose nationalism over all others.

.........bollox you sound like a cop out.

Neo Kurt Saxonism would disagree with you. Unlike Kurt Saxon, neosaxonism states we cannot stay in a cave until they come for us. neosaxonism is in essence heroic without having to be messianic. Spiritual without having to appeal to current societies latest personal identity fad.

Protocol 19 from the book: "In order to destroy the prestige of heroism we shall send them for trial in the category of theft, murder and every kind of abominable and filthy crime,"

........from what i remember lone wolves are at the top of the terrorist lists under obama.

before than it was often seen as a good thing, a source of pride, heck even God Himself prefers this method of law and order (under a monarchy of course).

........by that rational then i have to live under a living monarch? What about the queen then who thinks she is a descendent of Abraham?

Zionism wants THE WORLD for it's own and to enslave, Hitler's Nationalism never wanted that and that is the core difference.

....true but not for Hitler on a European regional level. I also wonder if Hitler ever thought it would have to escalate to a ww2. Did he think somehow the jews would leave him alone ever? Did he think that autarky alone would protect Germany from global fractional reserve lending in a global war economy?

Now as for Hitler being Christian, I never brought that up but I would contend he was -at least- Christian leaning. He certainly seemed to believe in a creator and he certainly made an effort not to disassociate his Christian brethren.

.......in no way was he christian and he himself stated as such in public speech. He believed in an eye for an eye. Shame he didn't realise that the Jew plays for keeps.

[FrankDialogue]

Timothy_Fitzpatrick As a self-proclaimed Christian, this is heresy. The Church has never supported nationalism. Furthermore, nationalism provides a proving ground for Jews. When Catholic Europe was weakened by Marranos and revolution, a Protestant Nationalism took its place. This same nationalism was a precursor to Christian Zionism. Historically, nationalism has benefited the Jews, and it's no different in the case of Nazi Germany. Jews were the clearest beneficiaries of the results of German nationalism. In fact, they provoked it through unfettered sexual liberation in the Weimar Republic. German nationalism has its roots with Protestant reformers like Martin Luther and Reuchlin, who were Kabbalists and Judaizers. Luther later dropped those views, but his Judaizing influence remained.

You make very good points, but, as in any case, their are good and bad sides...A healthy European-American nationalism, involving pride in heritage and survival strategies is essential in combating attempts to debase the culture/civilization.

Unfortunately, Jewish nationalism is to EA nationalism as bedbugs: they love hidden, soft places, and live to suck blood and lay eggs...Only smart pest elimination measures can control the problem.