Charles Giuliani Hosts Debate YouTube/ADL Alleged Hasbara Troll August 21 2012

[Rockclimber]

the funniest thing with you is that you're saying horrible things about Jews, demonizing every aspect of their lives, but then you are insulted when someone tells you that Jews are better than you or if you find a quote of a Jew from 100 years ago saying he doesn't particularly like Goyim...

Oh, and I didn't say Jews are smarter than others, I said that they are better.

Yes they are more supreme is that what you are trying to say? Your very tone reeks of supremacy, you just can't bring yourself to say it. Is jew hollywood better for society? How about the jew controlled media, or the jew controlled pornography business? Or jew controlled finance? Yeah they're better alright. better for the jews...

Here are some of these 'better' people's accomplishments and contributions to mankind.  
http://jewishfaces.com

http://thezog.wordpress.com

 

[LordLindsey]

"Jan," this is actually enjoyable for me because it is rare that I feel passionate about ANYTHING any longer; however, THIS is something that has actually brought me some truly much-needed excitement in seeing how you or others can rationalize the TRUTHS AS THEY ARE, and the fact that a very large audience is going to hear this...there really is nothing that makes me happier than to know that many more people are going to wake-up fully after this is all done.

"Jan," believe me when I say that I have not been this excited in a long time, as is evidenced by my MANY posts in a just a couple of days, and you have "awakened" something inside of me that was "sleeping" for longer than it should have been.  In other words, I have not had much to say, but now that you have entered the discussion, I have so much to contribute that it really makes me happy.

So...do not worry about my heart-health, but do think about how you are going to explain the crimes and treason committed by "the chosen" across our planet, because that is far more important than really any other issue that could possibly be discussed.

Lindsey

[LordLindsey]

I have a question before I forget it...

"Jan," did you take the KOL NIDRE oath this year?  This is a serious question, actually, and I, or someone else, WILL bring this up in a call tomorrow.  As all of us know...

http://rense.com/general92/nidre.htm

"All vows, obligations, oaths, and anathemas [curses]which we may vow, or swear, or pledge, or whereby we may be bound, from this Day of Atonement until the nextwe do repent. May they be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, and void, and made of no effect: they shall not bind us nor have any power over us. The vows shall not be reckoned vows; the obligations shall not be obligations; nor the oaths be oaths."

And to continue FURTHER:  I posed the question to a Christian Jew, Milton (Brother Nathaniel) Kapner.
 
"What is the reason behind the mass appeal of Kol Nidre," I asked. "Do millions of Jews seek absolution from Kol Nidre because they are tormented with guilt for violating oaths to themselves and God?"
 
Until age 21, Kapner, now 57, was a convinced Jew involved in conservative, Orthodox, and ultra-Orthodox Judaism. At 21, even after finding Christ, he spent a year of intense study with ultra-Orthodox Lubavitcher rabbis and scholars.
 
"Kol Nidre," he said, "is a big show. The Jews get worked up by the high drama and cantor singing the haunting Kol Nidre melody. They persuade themselves that every lie they have told over the past year is forgiven. They're off the hook!"
 
"Are they repenting of lies to God, or also to the Gentiles?" I asked.
 
" All lies and broken vows to everyone are covered," he replied, "except for legal contracts that are enforced by law." He said most Jews consider Gentiles inferior. Most ultra-Orthodox consider them sub-human. Kapner said just as promises made to animals are worthless, so the Talmud (even without Kol Nidre) teaches that promises to the goyim are meaningless.

OH!  You can watch the Kol Nidre performed during the Occupy Wall Street demonstration:

http://vimeo.com/30254591

And for posterity, here is the entire article by Reverend Ted Pike, as published by Rense:


Kol Nidre - Judaism's License To Lie
By Rev. Ted Pike
9-21-10
 

Editor's Note:
 
Last June tens of millions of evangelicals unquestioningly accepted Israel's account of its attack on the Free Gaza flotilla. The " Israel can do no wrong" mentality is so ingrained in the religious right that Christians reflexively believe that, in any dispute with the Arabs, doubting Israel is out of the question.
 
Yet Orthodox Judaism, the official position of the State of Israel, makes an astounding provision for observant Jews: They may, by reciting the Kol Nidre prayer on the eve of Yom Kippur, receive pre-forgiveness for all the lies, deceit, broken contracts, etc. they may indulge in for the next year.
Is Israel telling the truth when it claims its commandoes were innocently surprised by knife and baton-wielding resisters, forcing Israeli soldiers to shoot more than 50 activists, some with up to four gunshot wounds each?
 
International investigations are attempting to answer that. Meanwhile, Israel's leaders, including Netanyahu, have clear consciences. As Orthodox Jews, a little over a year ago they undoubtedly prayed the Kol Nidre prayer, absolving them from having to tell the truth about the flotilla affair.
 
Read this reprint of my November 2008 article which reveals an ominous reality: The group Christian Americans should least trust is a nation led by Orthodox Jews.
 
 
KOL NIDRE: JUDAISM'S LICENSE TO LIE
By Rev. Ted Pike
(17 Nov 08)
 
Seventy-eight percent of American Jews voted for Obama and there are now a record 46 Jews in Congress (nearly six times their proportion to Jews in the American population). As never before, Americans can expect Jewish influence in government. During the Clinton and Bush administrations, Jews attained saturation-level presence in government and cabinet positions.1 Undoubtedly Obama will be surrounded by powerful Jews; he already appointed an Orthodox Jew as his chief of staff. Will these powerful Jews legislate and judge justly? Will they reflect what is regarded as a common Judeo-Christian tradition of high moral values?
 
It's highly unlikely. In fact, the more religiously observant a Jewish congressman, federal judge, or attorney general is, the more at variance he will probably be with Christian values. Let me explain.
 
Every year through the fall session of Congress, relatively little is accomplished because of lengthy interruptions from Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays. Today, though Jews constitute only 1.5 percent of the US population, Congress also frequently shuts down so Jewish members may debark, some flying home, for the Jewish holidays. First comes Rosh Hashanah, then Yom Kippur, and finally Sukkoth. (See, " Does Congress Always Take Off for Rosh Hashanah?", "Congress quiet on Jewish New Year") The more religious a Jewish legislator, the more important he attends synagogue on the eve of the Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur. This highest Jewish holiday is preceded with rites and collective recitation of the Kol Nidre prayer.
 
The Kol Nidre says, "All vows, obligations, oaths, and anathemas [curses]which we may vow, or swear, or pledge, or whereby we may be bound, from this Day of Atonement until the nextwe do repent. May they be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, and void, and made of no effect: they shall not bind us nor have any power over us. The vows shall not be reckoned vows; the obligations shall not be obligations; nor the oaths be oaths." 2
 
What is the meaning of this strange and disturbing prayer recited by millions of Jews every fall? Surely, you may say, it cannot literally mean what it says: that Jews invalidate all their promises, contracts, agreements, and even curses throughout the coming year? If that were true, the word of a religious Jew would be meaningless. No rational person could trust anything he said, not to mention elect him to high office.
 
Overturning God's Law
 
 
To understand the Kol Nidre prayer, let's first consider the opposite: God's ancient command to His chosen people to fulfill all their oaths and promises. "When thou shalt vow a vow unto the Lord thy God, thou shalt not slack to pay it: for the Lord thy God will surely require it of thee...that which is gone out of thy lips thou shalt keep and perform" (Deuteronomy 24:21, 23)
 
Yet the Jewish Encyclopedia tells us God's requirement of promise-keeping ultimately became so burdensome to Jews that, as a result of "their longing for a clear conscience," compassionate rabbinic authorities overturned God's law around the 8th century AD. They collectively absolved entire congregations, instructing them to recite what has became known as the Kol Nidre prayer. 3 At first, the prayer allowed forgiveness for broken promises and curses of the previous year; later, in the twelfth century, it granted pre-forgiveness for sins of unfaithfulness for the following year. Both forms are observed today. Kol Nidre, from its beginnings, was controversial and "aroused bitter controversy" among rabbinical authorities. 4
 
Dissident, non-Talmudic Karaites also proclaimed it a sham and said it made the word of a Jew worthless. Christian critics leveled the same charge (but are now called "anti-Semitic" for doing so). Such criticism provoked more than a millennium of suspicion, persecution and discrimination against Jews (i.e. much of the "senseless anti-Semitism" with which historical Christianity has been charged).
 
Yet the Jewish people were willing to suffer unspeakable persecutions rather than give up the intoxicating moral release of Kol Nidre. It "became the most beloved ritual of the Day of Atonement." 5 Today synagogues are packed worldwide on the eve of Yom Kippur as millions of Jews, deeply moved by the high drama, pageantry and haunting melodies of Kol Nidre, affirm that their "vows, obligations, and oaths" or curses are forgiven and forgotten by God.
 
All Jewish encyclopedias and authoritative works on Kol Nidre include a powerful disclaimer. They say Gentiles should not feel threatened by Kol Nidre! The prayer's Kol Nidre, we are told, applies only to breaking vows to oneself or to God. It may not be employed to justify breaches of confidence, curses of Gentiles, or lies under oath in civil courts.
 
Testimony from a Christian Jew
 
 
I posed the question to a Christian Jew, Milton (Brother Nathaniel) Kapner.
 
"What is the reason behind the mass appeal of Kol Nidre," I asked. "Do millions of Jews seek absolution from Kol Nidre because they are tormented with guilt for violating oaths to themselves and God?"
 
Until age 21, Kapner, now 57, was a convinced Jew involved in conservative, Orthodox, and ultra-Orthodox Judaism. At 21, even after finding Christ, he spent a year of intense study with ultra-Orthodox Lubavitcher rabbis and scholars.
 
"Kol Nidre," he said, "is a big show. The Jews get worked up by the high drama and cantor singing the haunting Kol Nidre melody. They persuade themselves that every lie they have told over the past year is forgiven. They're off the hook!"
 
"Are they repenting of lies to God, or also to the Gentiles?" I asked.
 
" All lies and broken vows to everyone are covered," he replied, "except for legal contracts that are enforced by law." He said most Jews consider Gentiles inferior. Most ultra-Orthodox consider them sub-human. Kapner said just as promises made to animals are worthless, so the Talmud (even without Kol Nidre) teaches that promises to the goyim are meaningless.
 
The Talmud frequently says Gentiles may be deceived and defrauded. Jews are above "barbaric" Gentile laws and courts. 6 Also the Jewish Zohar (Kabbalah) repeatedly describes Gentiles as beasts and even demons. (This is substantiated in detail in my 354-page book, Israel: Our DutyOur Dilemma, available at www.truthtellers.org.) (See, "Have You Read the Talmud Lately?", "The Jewish Kabbalah: Root of Mideast Violence")
 
What about the testimony of Jewish authorities that Kol Nidre does not apply to contracts between Jews and Gentiles? "That's all for Gentile consumption," Kapner said.
 
Can You Trust Your Jewish Congressman?
 
 
Of course, especially in the US, many Jews are so assimilated and secularized that, though usually liberal, they have shed any high regard for Kol Nidre or the Talmud. Yet according to Kapner's personal experience, a religious, Kol Nidre-reciting, Jewish businessman can cheat you without guilt for the next year. Henry Ford, a businessman who dealt with many Jews, comments: "It requires no argument to show that if this prayer be really the rule of faith and conduct for the Jews who utter it, ordinary social and business relations are impossible to maintain with them." (The Dearborn Independent, Nov. 5, 1921)
 
We should also keep in mind Kol Nidre's permission to Jewish survivors of the Holocaust to lie under oath (as in the Nuremberg trials). Can we continue to accept as fact their testimony of seeing countless Jews destroyed in gas chambers and ovens?
 
It also means an observant Jew in Congress can renege on any promises he makes his constituents in the past or coming year. Gone also is any duty of federal or Supreme Court justices to be loyal to their oath to the Constitution and the United States of America.
 
Do I have this wrong? Incredibly, I don't. Despite the suspicion and revenge Kol Nidre has aroused, modern Judaism still considers its recitation one of the most sacred duties of Jewish life, liturgy, and tradition. It is so important that as Congress evolves into the "American Knesset," congressional leaders, under control of the all-powerful Zionist lobby, are eager to please Jewish members by sending them home to take advantage of this moral loophole in Judaism.
 
Perhaps, with Jewish activists flooding Congress as never before, promoting perverse Jewish "hate crime laws" and "workplace bias" legislation, as well as bills that persecute Christian/conservative activism, (See, Lobby Reform Bill Cripples Free Speech) we can understand why many Jewish members of Congress need the moral absolution provided by Kol Nidre. There will be a lot of lies to constituents and breaking oaths to uphold the constitution by First Amendment-destroying Jews this session of Congress. Such treachery could really strain anyone's conscience. But Jewish members of Congress return after reciting Kol Nidre with consciences cleansed. After all, who cares about governing according to the will of the lowly goyim?
 
For them, ruling according to Kol Nidre is the will of God.
 
 
 
Endnotes:
 
1. Michael Collins Piper's books such as The New Jerusalem extensively document the preponderance of Jews in the highest echelons of American government. They are available www.americanfreepress.com.
2. Article on "Kol Nidre," The Jewish Encyclopedia, New York, London : Funk & Wagnalls, 1906.
3. Ibid.
4. Article on "Kol Nidre," The Encyclopedia Judaica, Keter Publishing House, Jerusalem, LTD. Israel, 1996.
5. Ibid.
6. The Talmud says Gentiles can be deprived of justice (Baba Kama, 113a), can be cheated (BK, 113b), are animals (Iore Deah 148, 12 Hagah), may be killed (Sanhedrin 59a, Choschen Hamischpat 425.5, Abodah Zarah 26b), can be led to death or not saved from death (Choschen Ham. 425.5, Iore Deah 158)."

Lindsey

[jan]

Rockclimber, are you suffering from the "jew controlled pornography business" Something tells me you enjoy it...

Lindsey, bring it on
but tomorrow, please, let's talk about the wonderful state of Israel. Here are some facts about Israel to keep in mind for tomorrow:

1. Israel is 0.2% of the Middle East, with around 30% non-Jewish citizens, including 1.5 million Palestinian citizens who enjoy the highest standard of living and best civil rights than any other Arab community in the world (if you disagree, name the other Arab community and the name of the country where they are better).

2. Israel's GDP is around 300 billion US Dollar per year. Contrary to the argument that Israel is dependent on American aid, this aid amounts to 3 billion US Dollar per year, so around 1% of Israel's GDP. That aid is given to Israel for the sole purpose of purchasing American technologies and military equipment - thus the aid actually stimulates the American market, and creates thousands of jobs for Americans.

3.
A. The anti-Israeli activists are often afraid of the comparative aspect - how does Israel react to threats and terrorism compared to how other countries react to it, or how other countries would be likely to react? Here's the thing: No country has ever done more to safeguard and protect the lives of civilians among its enemies than Israel. If you know a country that under similar threats and terror attacks fought with more care to civilians among both sides - let me know the name of the country.
B. The accusation that Israel's deliberately killing Palestinian civilians is a vicious lie. The casualties in every Israeli attack are always (always!) either only militants, or both militants and civilians - indicating that not only Israel is after militants, but also that those militants are using their own civilians as human shields. Had Israel wanted to kill Palestinian civilians, it wouldn't have needed sophisticated technologies that are aiming at surgically targeting militants, but could have used only a few soldiers with primitive guns.
C. No country has done more than Israel to develop technologies to minimize civilian casualties in times of war, not even the United States.
Israel was attacked with more than 10 thousands rockets and dozens of suicide attacks over the last 10 years. How would other countries react? The US occupied two countries and killed hundreds of thousands of people over one tragic terror attack. Russia flattened complete cities in Chechnya after a few terror attacks. Israel is negotiating with its attackers on giving them a state of their own on 1/4 of its territory.

Till tomorrow!
Jan

[Rockclimber]

Rockclimber, are you suffering from the "jew controlled pornography business" Something tells me you enjoy it...

Actually I'm quite a moral man and of course I find jew porn to be repulsive and subversive along with jew tv, hollywood and the jew controlled media and jew greed driven societies. The supremacist jew has a god and it's money and they will do anything for it.  

But hey, thanks for admitting that you know they control porn  :up:  

[LordLindsey]

Does he not realize that he is proving our points?

Seriously...does he not?

Lindsey

[jan]

Lindsey,

What point am I proving?

"Christian Jew, Milton (Brother Nathaniel) Kapner." - is this that weirdo with the funny black dress on youtube? His videos are blocked in Germany for some reason (don't know if it's copyright or another issue).

And don't ask me about Jewish prayers, I'm atheist. The Kol Nidrey thing sounds to me something similar to the confession... Christians also can sin how much as they want and then go to the priest and say "bless me father for I have sinned"... Did got give them permission to commit sins?

Here's a nice performance of Kol Nidrej:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O49phAdTYLo

(don't be afraid, she's not plotting anything and she doesn't want your money or organs! She's simply singing, it's beautiful).

[Rockclimber]

Does he not realize that he is proving our points?

Seriously...does he not?

Lindsey

He does but don't expect him to ever, ever admit it. Supremacist jews are true to their supremacist motives and causes no matter what.  I will play along but I know in my heart that this is an exercise of futility...

[Wimpy]

And don't ask me about Jewish prayers, I'm atheist. The Kol Nidrey thing sounds to me something similar to the confession... Christians also can sin how much as they want and then go to the priest and say "bless me father for I have sinned"... Did got give them permission to commit sins?

-Jan

The Kol Nidre says, "All vows, obligations, oaths, and anathemas [curses]which we may vow, or swear, or pledge, or whereby we may be bound, from this Day of Atonement until the next we do repent. May they be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, and void, and made of no effect: they shall not bind us nor have any power over us. The vows shall not be reckoned vows; the obligations shall not be obligations; nor the oaths be oaths."

-Ted Pike/Lindsey

"....From this day of atonement until the next we do repent."

Catholics ask for forgiveness 'After' the sin, not in advance.  The way I interpret this is that jews have a clean slate before the fact and can, therefore, act upon any dealings with anyone with impunity, abandon and deception since said repentance is already established.  Premeditated and morally defeatist at the very least.  Quite contrary to the intent of asking forgiveness for whatever 'past' transgressions and sins, as with Catholics.

Many jews claim Atheism and also several posters here at TIU.  None of those posters here, however, defend the atrocities and lies perpetuated by the Jewish Tribe.  In that category you presently stand alone at TIU.

[jan]

Wimpy,

I see that there's a discussion among Jews about Kol Nidre and indeed not everyone seem to like it, and you can also read about the interpretations and traditions of the prayer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kol_Nidre

For me it doesn't matter if you're asking forgiveness from god before or after your sins... but why is it your business what Jews say in their prayers? Did they ask you to accept their religious beliefs? Unlinke Christianity and Islam, Judaism is not missionary, they don't spread their religion and don't ask you to accept it (ironically, they are those being blamed for wanting to "dominate the world", while the other religions are built around the idea of world domination...).

[Wimpy]

Did they ask you to accept their religious beliefs? Unlinke Christianity and Islam, Judaism is not missionary, they don't spread their religion and don't ask you to accept it (ironically, they are those being blamed for wanting to "dominate the world", while the other religions are built around the idea of world domination...).

-Jan

Quite the contrary, it affects my life directly knowing that nothing most jews say to me is true or trustworthy; this I believe is due to this Kol Nidre and the early indoctrination of separateness, specialness and superiority.

The claim, "Judaism is not missionary", is true in a contemporary sense.  Going back about 1,300 years, the entire Country of Khazaria was proselytized to accept Judaism.  Had to get the tribal numbers up after General Titus clipped many a wing.  Your being an Ashkenazi Jew is testament to this.  One large tribe of non-blood, non-Semitic Jews pretending to be from the House of David.  In reality, Ashkenazi Jews also feel quite superior to the Sephardic Jews or is this forbidden for me to mention?  No, not a religion at all, just a Tribe of a like minded, often psychotic, group acting towards a collective goal of World domination.  Busy, busy.

[jan]

Wimpy,

If you think that Jews are liars and you can't trust anything they say, I have a simple solution for you: don't talk to them. You are aware that at least 80% of Jews wouldn't even know what Kol Nidre is right?

Anyway, you got the Khazaria story all wrong: it's the Khazar king who was looking for Rabbis to convert him and his family to Judaism (somewhen in the 8th century). It's not the Jews who came to him, he came to them...you can find more info in this academic peer-reviewed publication: Omeljan Pritsak (1978). "The Khazar kingdom's conversion to Judaism". Harvard Ukrainian Studies 2 (3): 261–281. JSTOR 41035790.

I'm not an Ashkenazi Jew.
DNA studies show that the majority of European Jews are genetically linked to Middle Eastern Jews and other Middle Eastern group. This was actually studied extensively due to the interest in Jewish diaspora trends, which are unique in human history. You can read about such studies in this genetic report and review of several of these studies: Atzmon, G.; Hao, L.; Pe'er, I.; Velez, C.; Pearlman, A.; Palamara, P. F.; Morrow, B.; Friedman, E. et al. (2010). "Abraham's Children in the Genome Era: Major Jewish Diaspora Populations Comprise Distinct Genetic Clusters with Shared Middle Eastern Ancestry". American Journal of Human Genetics 86 (6): 850–859. doi:10.1016/j.ajhg.2010.04.015

The argument that the Ashkenazi are not "real Jews" is quite bizarre to me: There are a group of people in the world today who see themselves as Jewish, who hold Jewish beliefs, and have an ethno-cultural and national affiliation to the Jewish people and Jewish history. Why does it matter if they are all from the same father?
 
Are Americans all from the same father? Should I say that some Americans are "Fake Americans" because they are not the decedents of native Americans?
Are you a native American or an American pretending to be American?
And why do you feel superior to native Americans?
Americans are a group acting toward a collective goal of world domination no? this is even declared by Americans, "the leaders of the free world", who chose Americans to lead or dominate others?

(by the way, if you don't have access and want to get any of these scientific publication I'm more than willing to get them for you through my university's online subscriptions).

[Wimpy]

Not so simple, Jan.

People of the Tribe make it there business to own and control the flow of all information, control of the law and government, the health industry, the food industry, the medical & health industry, the porn industry, the gambling industry, the illegal drug industry and the war industry.  It is not a matter of  "don't talk to them".  How naive do you think many here are?

"... you got the Khazaria story all wrong: it's the Khazar king who was looking for Rabbis to convert him and his family to Judaism".  So if I went to a Rabbi I could convert?  I think we all know the answer to that.  Either way, it seems my point was lost, perhaps proselytize was not the correct word but it was allowed for a great many non-bloods back then. I am sure the tribe is not looking for random goy joiners nowadays.

CSR, a great contributor to this website, has posted much on the DNA subject.  Do a search and you'll find plenty of information, newer and possibly more disappointing than you might expect.

The "same father'?  Doesn't matter to me but it appears to be quite important to many tribesman.  Lineage and claims to important Jewish blood lines seems to border on obsession with some.

"And why do you feel superior to native Americans?"  I don't.  

"Americans are a group acting toward a collective goal of world domination no? this is even declared by Americans, "the leaders of the free world", who chose Americans to lead or dominate others?"  Jew-Tard Americans feel that way;  Totally incongruent with our Constitution.

[LordLindsey]

http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2012/08/tru ... ni_28.html

Truth Hertz with Charles Giuliani 2012.08.28
Debate with Zionist Jan Mueller part 2.

This was a VERY revealing show, and infinitely better than the first one.  Enjoy.

Lindsey

[LordLindsey]

I absolutely destroyed "Jan" by using his own words against him, and PROVED him to be a liar on several points, but just as important as showing him to be a jew supremacist, I showed him to be a God damned liar regarding the h0l0c0$t when he said the the "six-million number is ridiculous" or something to that effect, and then toward the end of the show with Alex, he says "Germany killed six-million jews"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The guy is a pathological-liar, and anything that he would say would be as worthless-as-a-three-dollar-bill.

Folks, this is the last that we are going to hear from "Jan Mueller," also known as "John Smith," because he expected his "good cop" charade to work THIS TIME with Charles as he dis-armed him with his angel-voice and sweet-words/demeanor, but after I spoke to Charles at-length about the tricks and traps that were as obvious to me as fire is hot and rain is wet, Charles refused to let his show be a Hasbara joke on Charles and his show THIS TIME.

In fact, this was one of the most important shows that Charles has ever done because it showed just how much of an epic-fail it is to DEFEND THE IN-DEFENSIBLE, and proved absolutely that we are right and that if people are EXPOSED TO THE TRUTH AS IT IS, THEN THERE IS NO WAY THAT THEY CAN EVER GO BACK TO BELIEVING THE LIES AND OBFUSCATIONS PRESENTED BY THE LIKES OF "Jan Mueller," NO MATTER HOW HARD THE PROPAGANDA IS PUSHED.

Folks, this was a "total-victory."

Lindsey

NB: Guys, please do what you can to get this very important show the publicity that it deserves. As many people as possible need to hear just how much of a failure the arguments that the jews/zionists--including Christians and other zionists--make on their behalf for the myriad of issues that were discussed on the show.

[Ognir]

thanks for the publicity Lindsey

[Ognir]

This guy is who on TiU?

[zapoper]

Jan Mueller who was on Giuliani is memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=15707 on TIU. If this is what you were asking. He's in this thread too. (obviously)

[LordLindsey]

Not any longer...

"Jan Mueller," also known as "John Smith" for those who are familiar with American pseudonyms, has evaporated from the internet after his exposure on the Charles Giuliani show.  Guys, this was a devastating defeat for the demons walking-on-two-legs, and exactly what we, in the REAL truth-movement, needed.  It is now known without any doubt that we have the truth and facts on our side, and I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE any and all hosts/hostesses to find people like "Jan" and bring them on their shows so that we can show THEIR audience how utterly impossible it is to defend the in-defensible.

I just do not think that most people realize how important that show was, and what the implications are.  I do, and some others do, but unless and until THE HOSTS AND HOSTESSES DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO, this is simply going to be an historical show, but will only get a somewhat limited exposure, when if other hosts/hostesses can put-on similar debates, this will be a very substantial boost to new listeners who are looking for ways to prove their points/arguments with those around them.

People, all that ANYONE would have to do is listen to what took place, and if you can find one person who can walk-away after listening to that and CONTINUE to believe that the jews/zionsts/israHell is/are not what we have been saying that they are, then they are simply either lying to themselves, OR THEY ARE THE ENEMY AND ARE KNOWINGLY LYING TO YOU THAT THIS IS UN-CONVINCING.

Again, call the shows and push-the-issue that you want to hear debates with zionists.  Unless and until you tell these hosts DIRECTLY what YOU, the listener, wants, they will continue to do the shows that they do, and while they ARE of benefit, hear what I am telling you:

THERE IS NOTHING, NOTHING AT ALL, MORE IMPRESSIVE TO A NEW LISTENER OR SOMEONE WHO IS LOOKING TO PROVE THAT THEY HAVE THE TRUTH ON THEIR SIDE, THAN THE PERSON WHO IS ARGUING AGAINST THEIR POINT(S) BEING COMPLETELY TAKEN-APART ON EVERY SINGLE ISSUE THAT IS ADDRESSED.  ADD TO THIS THE FACT THAT THE zionist IS LYING AND/OR TALKING-OUT-OF-BOTH-SIDES-OF-HIS-MOUTH, AND YOU HAVE THE RECIPE FOR THE GREATEST TOOL TO REACH THE MASSES THAT I COULD IMAGINE.

I can not do this by myself, and I WILL NOT do it by myself.  You people out there need to start calling-in to these shows and doing the right thing, and you will see how dramatic the result is when hosts/hostesses start hosting serious and powerful debates like what we heard with Mr. Charles Giuliani.  If they refuse to do it, or if they promise that they will do it/look into it, and after a couple of weeks still have done or said nothing about, CALL AGAIN ON-AIR AND ASK THEM WHY NOTHING HAS COME OF THE DEBATE-SHOW THAT THEY SAID WOULD OCCUR.

I have said my piece.

Lindsey

[Serb]

JAN aka JOHN SMITH goth his ass kicked!!!Greetings from Serbia!

[LordLindsey]

Alex, I am so happy that you are a member here at TIU.  It means a lot to have you contribute.

Lindsey

[Serb]

Thanx man ,glad to be here Lindsey!!What i see until now ,this is a great forum site!!

[Serb]

If this guy,Jan is realy liveing in Germany,he is probably a spy!I dont belive that he left israHELL with his mam and that he feels he is German!I am a Serb,my wife is German,my kids are SERBS,PERIOD!!!Do you think his father thinks deferently,Jan is a supremacy jew,he was defending the murdures scum!He has  no loyalty to Germany at all!!Iam Serb that lives in Holland and i am bigger patriot than  most of dutch people,JEWS do not think this way,they are not loyal at all!!Here in Europe is crime even to mantion a word JEW!!!E.J.P