Ernst Zundel: A Spartan of the Spirit

[michaelangelo]

A beautiful video about Ernst Zundel

http://youtu.be/0DSt1nKRk0w

[imsamhi1]

"This video is not available in your country"
Just mentioning that I don't report each and every video which is banned by the zionist masked tyranny from the citizens of israhell, due to various reasons.

[mgt23]

what is this ghey crap? Your obviously both jews. Whilst credit should be given to critical contributions by revisionists and the price they have paid......personality idolizing crap like this is for and by jews.

[ada]

@mgt23
Did you watch the video already?
..
Am i missing your point here?
Maybe it is English is not my mother speak.

[ada]

@mgt23

I could not dl it on the first hand
and was wondering why it was in a proper channel.
OH no :
It says narrations by zündel, ingrid rimland and fellow anthony lawson.
What the heck.?

Looking it now..

It simply rocks. Many individual paintings from him are shown in prison letters from him.

Maybe a spartan mind in but a giant in constantly following his way and never looking back of any costs!°

God bless Ernst Zündel!

[mgt23]

not interested in zundel. what i want to know about is jews.

[ada]

not interested in zundel. what i want to know about is jews.

So what! But i am!
I am interested in German´s who have been badly threaten and slaughtered through jewish bolsheviks  and allied imperial forces like uk, and us and through us presidents and us commissars like the swedish, german hating jew in disguise, eisenhower. They all have looted robbed, rapped and demonized the Germans till today! They started to bomb civilian targets on many many German cities.
So, you see i am not addicted or obsessed like you to the jews.

[mgt23]

why are you obsessed with germans? jews are hitting everyone, everywhere. all i care about is neutralising the talmud and the zohar. i dont care about genetics, or nations really just neutralising the jew threat to the future of the human race because of their greed.

[michaelangelo]

I thought it was a very nice video about ernst zundel. Nobody said it was about the jews.

mgt23 wrote:not interested in zundel. what i want to know about is jews.
Then why don't you fuck off to Israel !.
 

[mgt23]

........interesting that your all the same person or group.  You do realise that your infiltration is pointless. Perhaps your ideaology is more important than defeating jews? Gheyboys.

[ada]

why are you obsessed with germans? jews are hitting everyone, everywhere. all i care about is neutralising the talmud and the zohar. i dont care about genetics, or nations really just neutralising the jew threat to the future of the human race because of their greed.

You sound like an unrooted jew.
I prefer to stay an rooted German, like many Palestinians!
You ask me why i am obsessed with Germans?
I am German, and i love my country and culture and national cohesiveness,
which have been raped through alien monsters.

[mgt23]

I am German, and i love my country and culture and national cohesiveness,
which have been raped through alien monsters.

.......sure you are.    

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

At one time, I sympathized with Ernst Zundel, but no longer. He is not an honest revisionist. Zundel is a Nazi revivalist. Zioncrimefactory is another pseudo revisionist.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Tim and Mgt23... the Jew wannabees... can you grant anyone some respect... especially someone who spent hard years in jail???  

Or are you both...typical old-school "Britzies" (hence Crypto-Jews) ... here at TIU?  Really?  At Iraq-war.ru  I used to see them often back in 2004-2006.... complaining endlessly about "Fascists" while basically excusing Jew corruption at all levels or conflating Nazis with 1000 things they never were connected to.  Over the years, I have generally found that if something instinctively looks like "J-Tribe" deception or a "J-Head fake"  it generally over time is revealed as such... you guys are getting up suspicions... that's all I can say at this point.  Despite both of your "Jew Bitch" whines... this video should be seen by millions of people committed to free speech world wide.   --CSR

[mgt23]

while basically excusing Jew corruption at all levels

...............excuse me?

you guys are getting up suspicions... that's all I can say at this point. Despite both of your "Jew Bitch" whines

.....try this"fuck you"

this video should be seen by millions of people committed to free speech world wide

no problem with free speech, just pointless idol worshipping of nazi revivalists like zundel and you.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Revisionism or revivalism? What's it going to be? Both are not equal or the same.

[mgt23]

Revisionism or revivalism?

......bingo.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Revisionism or revivalism?

......bingo.

You mean ... Jew'Bingo as a massive "explanation" of Zundel??? Anybody who slams Zundel over "whatever" you want to call it "Revisionism or revivalism".. is basically a "Britzie" Jew IMHO. Guys, don't play that card... you will go bust...  -- CSR

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

CSR, I don't think anyone here disagrees with Zundel's right to freedom of speech. I certainly don't. But we obviously disagree with his motives. True revisionism should centre on scholarship and science, not on political or religious agendas. Regardless of Zundel's scholarly work, he has obviously also included his political agenda, which is unethical.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

CSR, I don't think anyone here disagrees with Zundel's right to freedom of speech. I certainly don't. But we obviously disagree with his motives. True revisionism should centre on scholarship and evidence, not only political/religious agendas.

Tim... don't go "bust"... he's fighting for a J'Free Canada but you don't want to carry the pail.... or worse you want to take your 30 pieces...of silver shekels... seriously, don't knock the guy. IMHO, Canda is a F'up mess of Jew Bullshit Laws passed by an endless stream of idiot puppet "Shabbos Goy" after WWII.  Are you Men of Honor under Jesus Christ or F'N Jew puppets?  It really is that simple. Zundel is just an average guy doing average things but gets lit up by Jews for speaking the truth.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

CSR, I don't think anyone here disagrees with Zundel's right to freedom of speech. I certainly don't. But we obviously disagree with his motives. True revisionism should centre on scholarship and evidence, not only political/religious agendas.

Tim... don't go "bust"... he's fighting for a J'Free Canada but you don't want to carry the pail.... or worse you want to take your 30 pieces...of silver shekels... seriously, don't knock the guy.

That sounds benign enough, but I don't trust any racialist, Jew or Aryan. However, Zundel actually discredits revisionism by his unethical behaviour. How much progress is he really making? He hasn't done much good in prison, has he? Perhaps had he laid off the Nazi revivalism, he wouldn't have gotten incarcerated. Same with Delaney and ZCF, they are so radical that they are begging to be censored. I don't see Michael Hoffman, a true revisionist and true scholar, getting his site taken offline.

or worse you want to take your 30 pieces...of silver shekels.

Enough with the logical fallacies.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

CSR, I don't think anyone here disagrees with Zundel's right to freedom of speech. I certainly don't. But we obviously disagree with his motives. True revisionism should centre on scholarship and evidence, not only political/religious agendas.

Tim... don't go "bust"... he's fighting for a J'Free Canada but you don't want to carry the pail.... or worse you want to take your 30 pieces...of silver shekels... seriously, don't knock the guy.

That sounds benign enough, but I don't trust any racialist, Jew or Aryan. However, Zundel actually discredits revisionism by his unethical behaviour. How much progress is he really making?

or worse you want to take your 30 pieces...of silver shekels.

Enough with the logical fallacies.

I just get the feeling you have never real confronted Jews like he has... you kind of snipe from a safe perch.... unlike say Bishop Williamson.  Zundel doesn't mince words...why should he?  You and Mgt23 always play the race card like Jesse Jackson... but I don't think you know what it means to see your "race" attacked.  Or are too naive to recognize it.  Jews attack all races... that is their M.O.  if you fight back you guys label it "Evil Ernest Zundel".... we'll screw that IMHO... it is J-Tribe full-on.

[mgt23]

.....your position is really very weak CSR. I consider myself not Pro aryan like you but pro gentile. That makes me a jew? Fuck your position its logically bollox and inferior. Only a pro gentile position in a modern revisionist world has a prospect of succeeding. Yours is retarded and the jew will use it to play sides off against each other when the shit hits the fan.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

I just get the feeling you have never real confronted Jews like he has... you kind of snipe from a safe perch.... unlike say Bishop Williamson.  Zundel doesn't mince words...why should he?  You and Mgt23 always play the race card like Jesse Jackson... but I don't think you know what it means to see your "race" attacked.  Or are too naive to recognize it.  Jews attack all races... that is their M.O.  if you fight back you guys label it "Evil Ernest Zundel".... we'll screw that IMHO... it is J-Tribe full-on.

It's unlikely that a man who writes a book called "The Hitler We Loved" to be taken seriously as an historical researcher. It would be like the History Channel presenting a neutral documentary about Bolshevism under the title "The Lenin We Loved." It's preposterous.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

It's unlikely that a man who writes a book called "The Hitler We Loved" to be taken seriously as an historical researcher. It would be like the History Channel presenting a neutral documentary about Bolshevism under the title "The Lenin We Loved." It's preposterous.

Preposterous is "The Duped Goyim that let the Jew-Tards take over" I guess that is your "famed" penned work...since you obviously think it is all "compromised"? If you are Pro- Rb1a/I/Rb1b  then be Pro-Rb1a/I/Rb1b.  It is a key "peg".

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

You aren't fooling anyone here, CSR, but yourself. Any historical authority will tell you that the Church has always been Jewry's greatest and most worthy opponent. This becomes more obvious when you realize that Judaism was created in reaction to Christianity. Judaism was not created in reaction to Nazism, however. You are in a simultaneous state of denial and rationalization over the simple fact that Nazism is occultic in origin and based on the same precepts as Judaism. This is your biggest problem, not so much your proposed solutions. It is undeniable that Nazism is harmonious with the Kabbalah.

Expecting reasonable people to take up arms based on knee-jerk reactions is foolish and what lead to the mess that became the Holocaust. It's unfortunate that Zundel was jailed for his beliefs, but it's equally unfortunate that he is as blind as you as to the true nature of Nazism.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

You aren't fooling anyone here, CSR, but yourself. Any historical authority will tell you that the Church has always been Jewry's greatest and most worthy opponent. This becomes more obvious when you realize that Judaism was created in reaction to Christianity. Judaism was not created in reaction to Nazism, however. You are in a simultaneous state of denial and rationalization over the simple fact that Nazism is occultic in origin and based on the same precepts as Judaism. This is your biggest problem, not so much your proposed solutions. It is undeniable that Nazism is harmonious with the Kabbalah.

Expecting reasonable people to take up arms based on knee-jerk reactions is foolish and what lead to the mess that became the Holocaust. It's unfortunate that Zundel was jailed for his beliefs, but it's equally unfortunate that he is as blind as you as to the true nature of Nazism.

Well Tim maybe you can build your kingdom not on this earth...  the Church really has nothing... as the Jews corrupt it (and not the Nazis).

[mgt23]

Well Tim maybe you can build your kingdom not on this earth... the Church really has nothing... as the Jews corrupt it (and not the Nazis).

........OMFG, what a cop out. So much for your spirituality then. You are going to sacrifice truth and justice, rather than serving; for in your view a  pragmatic version of your routemap to military victory over a haplogroup?

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

You aren't fooling anyone here, CSR, but yourself. Any historical authority will tell you that the Church has always been Jewry's greatest and most worthy opponent. This becomes more obvious when you realize that Judaism was created in reaction to Christianity. Judaism was not created in reaction to Nazism, however. You are in a simultaneous state of denial and rationalization over the simple fact that Nazism is occultic in origin and based on the same precepts as Judaism. This is your biggest problem, not so much your proposed solutions. It is undeniable that Nazism is harmonious with the Kabbalah.

Expecting reasonable people to take up arms based on knee-jerk reactions is foolish and what lead to the mess that became the Holocaust. It's unfortunate that Zundel was jailed for his beliefs, but it's equally unfortunate that he is as blind as you as to the true nature of Nazism.

Well Tim maybe you can build your kingdom not on this earth...  the Church really has nothing... as the Jews corrupt it (and not the Nazis).

That is the general idea, CSR. Only Jews and their millennialist cohorts fight for this world. The Nazis were as millennialist as the Jews and their Protestant Reformation co-conspirators. I've been trying to get this through to Gord, but he doesn't see it. Any world power not sanctioned by God is about domination. And domination only results in slavery and death. The Nazis were no exception. God doesn't sanction world powers any longer because time is just about up. Satan has been unleashed for a short season. So, all these groups are scrambling to position themselves so they can continue to dominate.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

You aren't fooling anyone here, CSR, but yourself. Any historical authority will tell you that the Church has always been Jewry's greatest and most worthy opponent. This becomes more obvious when you realize that Judaism was created in reaction to Christianity. Judaism was not created in reaction to Nazism, however. You are in a simultaneous state of denial and rationalization over the simple fact that Nazism is occultic in origin and based on the same precepts as Judaism. This is your biggest problem, not so much your proposed solutions. It is undeniable that Nazism is harmonious with the Kabbalah.

Expecting reasonable people to take up arms based on knee-jerk reactions is foolish and what lead to the mess that became the Holocaust. It's unfortunate that Zundel was jailed for his beliefs, but it's equally unfortunate that he is as blind as you as to the true nature of Nazism.

Well Tim maybe you can build your kingdom not on this earth...  the Church really has nothing... as the Jews corrupt it (and not the Nazis).

That is the general idea, CSR. Only Jews and their millennialist cohorts fight for this world. The Nazis were as millennialist as the Jews and their Protestant Reformation co-conspirators. I've been trying to get this through to Gord, but he doesn't see it. Any world power not sanctioned by God is about domination. And domination only results in slavery and death. The Nazis were no exception. God doesn't sanction world powers any longer because time is just about up. Satan has been unleashed for a short season. So, all these groups are scrambling to position themselves so they can continue to dominate.

Well, if you want to talk sermons or make up wild DMT theories in Weimer Germany... then just wait Tim, you and Mgt23 may just get the opportunity. And what will you do then? Whine about the illuminati and sell Fritz Springmeier's autographed books?

I don't disagree with this.... it should be the footer for your links:

Any world power not sanctioned by God is about domination. And domination only results in slavery and death. The Nazis were no exception. God doesn't sanction world powers any longer because time is just about up. Satan has been unleashed for a short season. So, all these groups are scrambling to position themselves so they can continue to dominate.

But I do disagree with your horribly poor reliance on crappy sources to just denigrate the NSDAP or treat it as "evil"-- and not a mere reaction to Jewish evil.  You want to take the high ground but continually destroy your position with worthless sources....so of course you take the "low" ground of sniping or calling the Nazis' "Jews".  

You obviously don't read history and your lack knowledge of economics, geo-politics, banking...is telling.  For you... you just want to perch and spit on people like Ernest Zundel. You will always find a "hair" of criticism....as if your faint criticisms count to people in prison for merely speaking their minds... because that's what Jews and Fags do.  They just don't say the truth straight away, if ever.  The Jews are winning the culture wars Tim... but you would rather read this crap over and over.

--CSR

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Repeated for posterity:

fighter4good wrote:Michael Collins Piper, ZCF, Prothink and this clown CSR are all agents pushing Jewish Fascism. Their job is to make you think the world revolves around those two ideologies, In order to keep your mind locked in one of the two Jew derived mental constructs. They don't want you to look for any other solutions except the one they give you. Just look at Michael Collins Piper and all his absurd claims about Rockefeller that have proven to be a lie.

F4G, you are new here right?

I just asked if Hitler was a Mason. Apparently everyone like Tim, F4G and maybe SPECTEC "believes" it to be so. I don't. The photographs are pretty lame as proof.

Agents of Jewish Fascism? Really that's news to me. I am pushing resistance to the JWO by investigating history in depth and not reading lame Jew written books by cryptos spouting crap about the Illuminati or Hitler. Obviously you guys don't read in-depth history about people and topics from well sourced writers -- but instead rely on crappy Jew written books. The crap then begins to show up here at TIU and reads like Henry Makow lite with the same stupid stench. Millions of people died fighting because of Jewish Treachery in all of the wars but you are too stupid to realize that Adolf Hitler and NSDAP really did take a stand against them in every respect that they practically could. So.... The minute I hear "Jewish Fascism" I think immediately:

A. that shout is from a Jew/Crypto-Jew/Crypto-communist. Simply a J-Tribe defender.
B. or, the scream is from a Muslim who wants to blame Hitler for the influx of millions of Jews into the Middle East instead of aiming at the J-Tribers themselves.
C. or, the guy is a parrot or writer for any number of J-Tribe apologists like Henry Makow or Alex Jones.

I am of the opinion that Tim and yourself F4G are probably crypto-something. You guys tend to derail "research" into topics based on sources of at least some repute especially related to Hitler and the NSDAP. You dodge my questions repeatedly, so of course I'll dodge yours since they are hardly based on fact or good sources most of the time. You dredge up questionable photos and claim they are "proof" of a masonic handshake, or point to a "death head" symbol and call it "Jewish-Kabballah", or just say "it's the bankers" influence without specifics, or just babble that Hitler was "fully compromised", etc. It just makes me think you guys in particular don't read and think for yourselves, and are simply not careful in analysis. Instead you all just parrot the Henry Makows who are typically full of crap.

I really think you should go join up with Alex Jones. He's always blaming the Arabs, Nazis and Fascists for everything -- and he doesn't care about facts and truth but instead he cares about entertainment and the Fritz Springmeiers.

Keep in mind, I'm not a nice guy when it comes to facts. I don't like Jew lies--- and I've heard and seen Jew lies far more than you could ever imagine. I have familiarity with their scams big and small. Don't leave your analysis "one-dimensional" when you come to TIU. Crypto-Jews like Fritz Springmeier and their dupes will have you believe a thousand specious lies in order to run cover for Jew crimes.

Finally, there is no "mind-lock" here dumb-ass.

mgt23 when are you going to start reading? Your vid has nothing connecting the NSDAP to Jewry, the Masons or even that the Thule Society was important other than sponsoring early Nationalist movements. The attempted Bolshevik takeover of Germany in 1919 led to several Thule members getting killed.

Looks like you (and Timmy) have been raised up watching the JewTube too much (or reading Jew Conspiracy writers) to think accurately about history ... you eat known "J-Half Truths" with a big spoon (or maybe a shovel).

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   The Occult Roots of Nazism

    by Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, U.K.: Aquarian Press, 1985. Hardbound, 293 pages, illustrations, $23.50, ISBN 0-85030-402-4.

    Reviewed by William Grimstad

    Although the gas chamber mythos has been the center-piece of ongoing Establishment efforts to diabolize the Third Reich, there has been a parallel attempt to remove that epoch from objective consideration by casting it in a less homicidal but more bizarrely demoniacal light. Linking National Socialism to occultism has served several purposes: making the Hitler period look spooky, or at least a bit "kooky"; alienating people of traditional religious outlook, and not least, cashing in on the lucrative bookselling fad of recent years sometimes called the "occult explosion."

    Such books as The Morning of the Magicians or The Occult and the Third Reich first broached the notion that the National Socialist era, in addition to its multifarious other evils, had actually been conjured up by wicked wirepullers behind the visible leaders. We were introduced to the enigmatic figures of Rudolf von Sebottendorf and other supposed adepts of the fabled Thule Society, which now have become household words among even casual students of the period; and behind them an earlier strain of philosophers who, shockingly enough, had erected a religious worldview upon "Aryan" racialism.

    Conveniently, the German regime's avowed pro-Aryan policies now could be faulted not only as leading to the Holocaust. They also became the butt of ridicule for travestying science or of opprobrium for trying to harness powers of evil. Still better, the always awkward fact of broad electoral support for the National Socialist program in one of the world's most advanced countries likewise could be explained: an entire nation had been mesmerized by baleful cultic Svengalis.

    Goodrick-Clarke's book was published several years ago in England, but has begun finding its way into the book trade here. As it represents a substantial research effort, one naturally wonders about the author's inclinations. Little biographical information is furnished, but the acknowledgments do contain a couple of names of interest. The first one thanked is Ellic Howe, a leading personality within the United Grand Lodge of England, reputedly the world's predominant Masonic organization. Howe writes frequently in Ars Quatuor Coronatorum, the controlled circulation research journal of the lodge, whose enmity to National Socialism is glaring.

    The author next salutes Norman Cohn, the British Holocaustorian who has made a career of microscopically analyzing the sensational Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion as a literary impetus for the later Holocaust. On the strength of such thinly veiled pro-Zionist essays as his Warrant for Genocide, Cohn worked his way to the top of the historical hierarchy at Oxford, and there supervised Goodrick-Clarke's studies, where the present volume began as a Ph.D. thesis.

    Revisionists may raise eyebrows at such auspices, but my impression is that Goodrick-Clarke generally avoids the tendentiousness of his mentors. Although marred by annoying knee-jerks and tics of minor residual bias, this remains a thorough and levelheaded inquiry into a topic severely mauled by hacks. It also offers, for the first time known to me in English, a window into the amazingly extensive and frankly quite fascinating German nationalist literature of the period.

    His subtitle, "The Ariosophists of Austria and Germany, 1890-1935," refers to a body of ideas which once had a substantial following in the German-speaking world. The ideas centered on the writings of two Austrians, Guido von List (1848-1919) and Jörg Lanz von Liebenfels (1874-1954). Ariosophy is used by the author as a generic for this "lore of the Aryans" that was expounded by the two men.

    Guido von List (the aristocratic von was self-assumed) was raised a Catholic but early took interest in Nordic paganism, which he coupled with a profound attraction to nature. An ardent rebel against modernity, which he associated with the spreading metropolis of fin-de-siècle Vienna and all its decadent ways, List's happiest moments came on rambles through the Austrian countryside, and he began his literary career with newspaper pieces on the rural scene, depicted as highly spiritualized. He was concerned to furnish an ideological backdrop to the pan-German movement led by such nationalist politicians as Georg von Schoenerer and Vienna Mayor Karl Lueger.

    Later, List worked out what was essentially a clairvoyant reconstruction of the distant past, elaborating a vast mythology of an ancient Wotanist priesthood, the Armanenschaft. They supposedly held sway in Europe until the Christian conversion, but now were confined to clandestine status, perpetuating the ancient Aryan lore through a small élite, among whom he numbered himself.

    Eventually, List built up a fairly wide readership and a Guido von List Society, sponsored by prestigious people, was established. With the coming of the First World War, the appeal of such a philosophy grew greatly, especially in Germany, and List also found a wider field for analysis of the destructive elements arrayed against the Central Powers. He dubbed these the Great International Party, in a fair anticipation of the World Zionist Organizations and Trilateral Commissions of our own day.

    Adolf Josef Lanz also was born in Vienna, of middle-class Catholic parents. Like List, he assumed an aristocratic pedigree and the pompous Jörg Lanz von Liebenfels moniker, although his claim to this title was never disproven. He was inspired by List and became one of the older guru's early backers, but Lanz's Ariosophical interests were different. As a young man he had entered a Cistercian abbey as a novice monk, and although he left after a time, he remained enthralled by medieval Catholicism.

    Lanz was disinterested in Listian oracular recreations of the German past, but he did have his own candidate for an ancient Aryan secret priesthood that supposedly had survivors in the modern era: the Knights Templar, a Catholic order suppressed for heresy in the 1300s. He founded his Ordo Novi Templi (Order of the New Temple) around 1907 in the medieval castle of Burg Werfenstein, which perched dramatically above the Danube with a swastika and fleur-de-lis flag over its tower. Goodrick-Clarke is much perturbed at the racialist slant of this literature. Actually, such material was commonplace in many Western countries at that time: imperial Britain had its "white man's burden" ethic purveyed to a huge audience by poet Rudyard Kipling; and here in America, anthropologist Lothrop Stoddard could publish a best-selling book entitled The Rising Tide of Color.

    As the author's exhaustive analysis, if not his own conclusions, makes clear, however, Ariosophy played only a very incidental role in the rise of National Socialism. Although Hitler may have known of List, there is no proof of it, and only an indication that he had read Lanz's Ostara magazine as a young man. He was not impressed, to judge by his ridicule of " völkisch wandering scholars" and antiquarian cultists in Mein Kampf.

    Of far greater import in the political arena was Baron Rudolf von Sebottendorf von der Rose (born Adam Alfred Rudolf Glauer in 1875), although his role too has been distorted. Goodrick-Clarke has done an excellent job of analyzing the available material on this colorful international adventurer. Once again, however, Sebottendorf's involvement with Freemasonry, Muslim dervishes and the Turkish revolution cannot be convincingly tied to his pan-Germanism, except that they may have predisposed him to backstage activism. What he does deserve credit for is having the political savvy, virtually alone among a welter of confused nationalists and anti-Communists in southern Bavaria, to see what was needed in Germany and the conviction to stake his personal resources on that.

    After joining the moribund Germanenorden in 1916, Sebottendorf quickly revived the Bavarian section and began using the nominal cultural society as a center for political action during the brewing Marxist revolution, adopting the Thule Society name as a "cover" to divert Red suspicions. He purchased the Beobachter newspaper (later the National Socialists' Völkischer Beobachter ); stockpiled weapons; schemed to kidnap the Communist leader, Kurt Eisner; infiltrated spies into the Communist cadres, and organized the Kampfbund Thule paramilitary group which joined with other Free Corps units in the successful attack on Munich's Communist government on April 30, 1919.

    Most important, of course, was Sebottendorf's recognition of the need for a new type of worker-based party to deal with the unprecedented Red threat. He founded the German Workers Union in 1918, the most active member of which was Anton Drexler, who went on to start the German Workers Party, which was joined, taken over, and renamed the National Socialist German Workers' Party by Adolf Hitler in 1919.

    Meanwhile, Sebottendorf's political career ended abruptly that same year, when Communists seized seven Thule Society members and executed them on April 30, triggering international outrage and at last galvanizing the Munich citizenry into ousting the Marxists. Sebottendorf was blamed for having allowed the Thule membership list to fall into the Reds' hands, although there were those who suggested that this was his Machiavellian intent all along, as the ensuing creation of martyrs played a key role in the nationalist victory.

    In any case, Rudolf von Sebottendorf was in no way a puppet-master of the much later Third Reich, which indeed treated him with some hostility. Rather, he was an unusually shrewd political operative at a critical formative period, whose personal courage kept him battling in Red Munich long after many others had retreated. One wonders exactly what situation would have awaited the inexperienced Hitler had Sebottendorf not laid this groundwork.

    * * * * *

    Anyone trying to arrive at a rational understanding of this important period has been painfully aware of the jabberwock literature that has held the floor since the Second World War, ranging from popular novels through journalistic exposes to solemn histories, and treating of everything from "Holocaust studies" through postwar "Nazi war criminal" skullduggeries.

    Although it may seem extreme to link a Lucy Dawidowicz with the latest Hitler-is-alive tabloid tale, the fact is that they are on a continuum of literature which enforces a Manichean, total-evil view of the National Socialist era, from the academic down to the comic-book levels, a peculiar situation that does not exist in any other known area of inquiry.

    Moreover, it is not that the literary establishment simply neglects to repudiate this trashier output. In fact, it has actively promoted it. The books in question are published by major houses, and get conventional review and promotional attention. Such a state of affairs would never exist in regard to sensationalized titles critical of Israeli Zionism, for example. Clearly, then, a Revisionist laying to rest of this material is long overdue; the present book, despite its lacks, is a start.

    Goodrick-Clarke traces the origin of the Lovecraftian school of Third Reich historiography to the self-proclaimed German rocket engineer, Willy Ley, who emigrated here in 1935 and spent the ensuing years working on Hollywood science fiction films. In 1947, Ley wrote an article for a "pulp" fantasy magazine ridiculing pseudoscience in Germany, which he claimed included a Berlin sect attempting to conjure up the mysterious vril force described by British novelist Edward Bulwer-Lytton in his The Coming Race (1871), supposedly conveying to its adepts total power over the world.

    This was sufficient to spark off, in 1960, the first and probably most enduring of the genre, The Morning of the Magicians by French journalists Louis Pauwels and Jacques Bergier. A vast farrago of misquotations, sheer fabrications and exclamation points, this opus touched base on the major points that were to become standard for the type:

The rise and early success of National Socialism were due, not to sober choice by the German electorate, followed by hard work of a capable people, but to supernatural forces;
    The forces are described as either discarnate, like Bulwer's vril , or as the doings of godlike "ascended masters" in some remote and exotic location, usually Tibet;
    It is possible to get into contact with this power, identified by Pauwels and Bergier as "the Master of the World or the King of Fear," and as it were plug in on the current for one's own ends in the mundane world;
    Such liaison was a top-priority project of the German government, despite its other distractions;
    The government's channel was the Thule Society, which in turn was the creature of the two evil geniuses, the playwright and early Hitler friend, Dietrich Eckart, and a professor of geopolitics at the University of Munich, Dr. Karl Haushofer. They used the Thule Society to control the state through Hitler, who is invariably described in the canon as a semi-hysterical "mediumistic" personality.

    Later savants, such as Dietrich Bronder in his Before Hitler Came (1964), with its title rather crassly lifted from Sebottendorf's 1933 memoir, introduced the Ariosophical dimension of List and Lanz, including the pair in the Thule clique, along with Hitler, Mussolini, Göring and a who's who of Axis luminaries. With this, the menu was complete and numerous others could begin rehashing it, most notably Michel-Jean Angebert, The Occult and the Third Reich (1971); Trevor Ravenscroft, The Spear of Destiny (1972), and J.H. Brennan, Occult Reich (1974).

    Placing his magnifying glass on the "MOM" genre, Goodrick-Clarke reports as follows:

There was no Vril Society or "Luminous Lodge," as the fabulists call it, although there was a "Lumenclub" in Vienna for some years after 1932, acting as a front for the banned National Socialist Party;
        Prof. Haushofer did endorse a thrust to the east, into Soviet territory, but strictly for obvious geopolitical reasons; his alleged goal of reaching the ascended masters in the Orient is "entirely false;" according to Goodrick-Clarke;
        Dietrich Eckart (who died in 1923), along with the young Alfred Rosenberg, attended a few early Thule meetings as guests but there is no evidence linking other Party leaders, or List, Lanz or Haushofer, with the group;
        The Thule Society was disbanded around 1925 because of declining membership and was never reorganized.

    We certainly owe something to Goodrick-Clarke for so expertly skewering this pernicious nonsense, which has even tripped up major-league historians like Joachim Fest, although he does not follow through on the truly important question. The inimitable Holocaust, spotlighted by all these "schlock" authors as the result of the national demonic possession, still sits enshrined in its increasingly shopworn hideousness, even here.

    Source: Reprinted from The Journal of Historical Review, vol. 11, no. 1, pp. 121-127.

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v11/v11p121_Grimstad.html

Timothy_Fitzpatrick wrote:mgt23, excellent video. It ties it up nicely on Hitler as controlled opposition. So, Anton Lavey's son in law is not joking when he calls him a "black magician."

:lol:


Mgt23, your fav Jew made video lifts directly from these sources:

Michel-Jean Angebert, The Occult and the Third Reich (1971); Trevor Ravenscroft, The Spear of Destiny (1972), and J.H. Brennan, Occult Reich

Read this again:

    Later savants, such as Dietrich Bronder in his Before Hitler Came (1964), with its title rather crassly lifted from Sebottendorf's 1933 memoir, introduced the Ariosophical dimension of List and Lanz, including the pair in the Thule clique, along with Hitler, Mussolini, Göring and a who's who of Axis luminaries. With this, the menu was complete and numerous others could begin rehashing it, most notably Michel-Jean Angebert, The Occult and the Third Reich (1971); Trevor Ravenscroft, The Spear of Destiny (1972), and J.H. Brennan, Occult Reich (1974).

    Placing his magnifying glass on the "MOM" genre, Goodrick-Clarke reports as follows:

     

There was no Vril Society or "Luminous Lodge," as the fabulists call it, although there was a "Lumenclub" in Vienna for some years after 1932, acting as a front for the banned National Socialist Party;
        Prof. Haushofer did endorse a thrust to the east, into Soviet territory, but strictly for obvious geopolitical reasons; his alleged goal of reaching the ascended masters in the Orient is "entirely false;" according to Goodrick-Clarke;
        Dietrich Eckart (who died in 1923), along with the young Alfred Rosenberg, attended a few early Thule meetings as guests but there is no evidence linking other Party leaders, or List, Lanz or Haushofer, with the group;
        The Thule Society was disbanded around 1925 because of declining membership and was never reorganized.

    We certainly owe something to Goodrick-Clarke for so expertly skewering this pernicious nonsense, which has even tripped up major-league historians like Joachim Fest, although he does not follow through on the truly important question. The inimitable Holocaust, spotlighted by all these "schlock" authors as the result of the national demonic possession, still sits enshrined in its increasingly shopworn hideousness, even here.

    Source: Reprinted from The Journal of Historical Review, vol. 11, no. 1, pp. 121-127.