Sandy Hook Connecticut state police hold a news conference in Newtown

[Krag]

I haven't seen this posted here yet, was over at the MHB on the broken glass at the entrance of the school, 50 seconds into the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... P1jNwGWNA#!

[Michael K.]

I think the only part of the story left to conjecture about without dishonor, is where they expect us to believe that Adam Lanza had no motive.  The detail which unquestionably points to motive is the message made by allegedly and apparently shooting one person's car full of holes in a deliberate manner before entering that school, and then killing that person once inside the school.  This shows deliberate forethought and a certain knowledge about the victim, Lauren Rosseau.   Anyone who sees that and says that Lanza had no motive is in denial.  



It actually has "motive" written all over it in 9mm.  The shooter was NOT schizophrenic, or it would have been made public by now, so the idea that he was maybe whacked out on his own disassociated dream-state has no support as yet.  He was autistic, not "crazy" in the certain texbook, lithium and thorazine eatin' fashion.  If he was crazy, then Nancy Lanza is not a "victim" but an accessory to manslaughter, for teaching him to use weapons after he'd been diagnosed incompetent.  But nobody is saying that; so if he wasn't crazy, he sure was darn mad about something concerning Laren Rosseau and Sandy Hook School, right?

So nothing is for nothing in the real world, and the real cover-up done by selling the "no bodies" story to everyone as the real conspiracy, directly concerns Lanza's motive for shooting Lauren Rosseau's car.  And if you want to doubt slightly Satanic Jeff Prager, who was prescient in his prudence, predicting pre-planned pillory for people parading picture puzzles in public, then notice how he manged to yet steer all conspiracy talk away from Lanza's motive, and focus on a conspiracy starting, "from the moment Adam Lanza stopped shooting."

[Amanda]

This is an excellent audio--highly recommended.

Joyce Riley Interviews Mike Powers 1-16-13 TPH Sandy Hook Special Investigation

Published on Jan 16, 2013

Former US Naval Law Enforcement Veteran and US Army Infantry/Reconnaissance Military Veteran MIKE POWERS has found glaring inconsistencies regarding the Sandy Hook shooting and will be breaking it down for us. We must understand that this is the elephant in the living room and must be shared with everyone that you know. This is a CAN'T MISS SHOW and of the utmost importance that we understand what is really going on.

[Amanda]

This sort of follows up on the info posted by Dr. K here:  <!-- m -->http://nodisinfo.com/Home/2013/01/16/th ... andy-hook/<!-- m -->

Okay, this whole thing makes absolutely no sense to me. If this was a real emergency, I refuse to believe that they would have the ambulances parked so far away from the location of the actual shooting and have emergency workers walk the stretchers all the way up the road from the firehouse to the school and then back---this makes no sense!! 


Rare Footage Of Sandy Hook Victim Being Rolled Half A Mile To The Firehouse In Stretcher

video description:

Published on Jan 15, 2013 -Why they felt the need to roll this stretcher almost a half mile to the firehouse, instead of just loading her in an ambulance at the school and booking it, I do not know. This doesn't appear to be very realistic.

here are some of the comments:

Oscar Meyer 1 day ago - Were not ambulances already at the school?

HistoricalRecordsVLT 1 day ago - No I don't think they could get up there because the road was blocked with a bunch of police cars and police tape.  For some reason, instead of pulling up into the school parking lot, they decided to park mostly all their cars up by the firehouse to block Dickenson road. Probably to keep the press from going up by the school and seeing them tamper with the crime scene and what not.

psykopanther 1 day ago - this is TOTALLY against the first responder guidelines. funny something as serious as this with SO many broken guidelines. Standard order of procedures went out the window.

HistoricalRecordsVLT 1 day ago - That's what happens when you try to fake a live event. On TV it's different, a lot more controllable and you can take a lot of takes to get it right. Plus you can edit too. Not sure why they felt like they could pull this off. This is a really sloppy operation, they must think we are really really dumb.

willease 1 day ago - She survived the shooting. I find it odd there have been no interviews with her.

Lobo Texican 1 day ago - Isnt there usually a person or persons attending to the patient while they are pushed on a stretcher?

Here's another video of them walking the stretcher to the ambulance parked at the firestation:

Sandy Hook's Lone Survivor Being Taken to Ambulance on Gurney 12-14-12 KMOV
[youtube:v1bcw6rc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf1T6o2_7NA[/youtube]v1bcw6rc]

here are a couple of good comments:

newportmarina 2 weeks ago - Having worked in EMS I've treated and transported hundreds of patients. A trauma gunshot victim would have an IV established and usually not placed on gurney in this position. They would usually be secured on a backboard first. There is no way that I believe that this is one of the two critically injured children who ultimately died at the hospital. I thought that the 3rd person transported was an adult with a foot wound.

dianedurden9 3 weeks ago - having been an EMT and FF for many years, IF there was a gunshot victim on that stretcher, there would have been multiple EMS with the stretcher all working on the victim....sorry that is more bullshit footage!

And this video below really gives you a good overview of the distance between the firehouse (where all the emergency vehicles were gathered) and the school, so you can get a
feeling for how far they are walking those stretchers. 

Sandy Hook Hoax Explained Sesame St style

[FrankDialogue]

I haven't seen this posted here yet, was over at the MHB on the broken glass at the entrance of the school, 50 seconds into the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... P1jNwGWNA#!

Hmm, haven't seen this one before, haven't heard these words from Lt.Vance and company before, but really hard to make a judgement with more hearsay.

Michael K posts:


I think the only part of the story left to conjecture about without dishonor, is where they expect us to believe that Adam Lanza had no motive. The detail which unquestionably points to motive is the message made by allegedly and apparently shooting one person's car full of holes in a deliberate manner before entering that school, and then killing that person once inside the school. This shows deliberate forethought and a certain knowledge about the victim, Lauren Rosseau. Anyone who sees that and says that Lanza had no motive is in denial.

I hear your words, but I don't understand your speech.

Conjecture without dishonour?

We have no evidence that Adam Lanza fired any shots.

[Amanda]

Okay, here are just a few random pieces of info.

In case some missed it, it looks like we have no weapons registered in Nancy Lanza's name:

No Gun Permit Under Nancy Lanza's Name In Public Records, Says TIME Magazine

video description:  Published on Jan 11, 2013- So gun permit records are public knowledge, and major news outlets are unable to find any for Nancy Lanza. Not even for the AR-15 rifle? The police are saying that those guns were registered to her and she had permits for them, but apparently the public records themselves are not supporting their theories.


Now in the video posted a couple of comments back w/Joyce Riley and Mike Powers (<!-- m -->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK8tLX6VQp4<!-- m -->) at some point in the second hour, Joyce mentions the Wall Street Journal article (posted earlier on this thread) that stated they couldn't find any evidence of Nancy or Adam Lanza going to any of the shooting ranges in that local area.  Also, on Charlie's show yesterday (<!-- m -->http://grizzom.blogspot.nl/2013/01/trut ... ni_16.html<!-- m -->) his guest, Greg Kalina, mentioned toward the end of the show that a contact of his also called all the shooting ranges w/in 50 miles of Newtown CT and no one had heard of Nancy or Adam Lanza. (so, although the controlled media has told us Nancy took Adam for shooting practice, nobody can find any evidence to support this)


Also, on his show yesterday, Charlie read this interesting quote from the 1972 book called "The Change Agent":

Power is viewed as a means of achieving change. During a period of a perceived crisis, the pace of change can be speeded up tremendously.  It matters more that a crisis is perceived than whether a crisis is actually taking place.

[LordLindsey]

Sen. "Ayn" Rand Paul speaks on gun-control executive-orders...

ALL WITH israHELL'S FLAG IN THE BACK-GROUND.

For those of you who wanted desperately to believe that this fraud would be any different than the other traitors the masses continue to send to further destroy our nation and do the bidding of the demons walking-on-two-legs, you are as stupid as these creatures believe you to be.

Lindsey

NB:  Whatever he says is nothing but a dog-and-pony-show so that those who STILL support the Pauls after all of this shit can having something to which to point to try to convince themselves that he is not the sell-out piece-of-shit that he is.

[Travis]

Thank you all for the information on this subject. Something is not normal with this event, what are the causes of that I am not sure but as a principal I don't trust the JMSM's narrative. On a side note, what's up with Mark Glenn and his attack on those who have put forward alternative theories on this issue?

Travis

[Ognir]

I've not listened to the audio yet, but I will this evening

[Amanda]

For those interested...

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/ ... -massacre/

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/ ... -massacre/

[Christopher Marlowe]

On a side note, what's up with Mark Glenn and his attack on those who have put forward alternative theories on this issue?

I am kind of tired of listening to Mark Glenn's show, and now his stance on this issue only makes it worse. This editorial decision over at TUT is a little reactionary, I think.  The feeling I get is that Glenn et al. felt that the independent investigators on the net were spiraling out of control over this Sandy Hook incident, and making connections where there weren't any; They were acting like conspiracy theorists.

And there has been a lot of that, no doubt. 9/11 investigations are rife with that kind of stuff. But 10 years after the fact, we see that those people who doubted the official story of 911 were correct. And in fact, one of the craziest theories, that there were no planes, to my mind seems to be the most accurate.  

I think the story that set TUT off was the one that aired on PressTV about the israeli death squad at Sandy Hook. There didn't seem to be any proof for any of that, but that guy went on the air and made that claim anyway.  A false story of that type is bound to hurt any sort of truth movement that asserts grand conspiracies.

Glenn wants to be taken seriously, and he seems to think that the juice are laughing at the "Truth" movement over this because of all of these wild assertions. And that is part of the psy-op, I believe. People who are kept in the dark will reach out for anything. Those in the know can hand them any number of false leads.

Look at the audio of the police scanner. First of all, it's scrambled. Is that normal? Then they say that there was a bleed in from another routine traffic stop in another town. The Power Hour show reports that this is nonsense, and that they would have picked a reserve channel to avoid bleed in.  

Just at that one starting point we already have the tree of deduction breaking off into many different branches. I don't know what to think. In the instant case, the obvious answer is to run down the plate. That could answer several questions at once. If it is Rodia's plate, then the story about the bleed in is a lie. If it is not Rodia's plate, and it is Lanza's, the bleed in story could be correct.

Glenn's policy at this point is ultra-conservative. But I think they are reacting too strongly. I say to keep an open mind, and try to ferret out the garbage.  Build up a pile of facts, and be certain not to add false leads into the mix.  

This policy of TUT's is confusing to me. I really find the whole Adam Lanza story difficult to swallow. The mechanics of a scrawny little guy carrying all those rounds and weapons into the school doesn't make any sense. There are way too many inconsistencies in the story: how did Rousseau's car get shot up? Was the front shot out? (Power's claims that he saw a photo where the front was not shot out. I have seen a video of the school front (here?) where the glass was shot out.) Did Lanza even exist?

The JMSM is sitting on all the pictures and audio, while we scramble in the dark, reaching for whatever we can. TUT's answer is to ignore the issue, and to mock the doubters? Because Glenn doesn't want the Jews to laugh at him?  

I don't see any problem in asking questions. It is only in making bold assertions where we get ourselves into trouble.

[Amanda]

Newtown United rebranded as "Sandy Hook Promise" Group - Controls Access to Families, Center Stage of Gun Control and Staging a News Conference 1/14/13

http://sherriequestioningall.blogspot.c ... -hook.html


There is a new group and they rebranded themselves from Newtown United to Sandy Hook Promise. (the media is using the word "rebranded")

They plan on giving a news conference on Monday January 14th.



Newtown United Rebranding As 'Sandy Hook Promise'
The group is taking its message to a national audience in hopes of preventing another tragedy like the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School on Dec. 14, 2012.

Their main purpose from my understanding is gun control.

And today, Newtown United announced it will now be known as Sandy Hook Promise, a change its Newtown-based founders hope will reinforce its mission of preventing another tragedy by becoming a catalyst to effect meaningful policy change on a national level.

This coming Monday, on what will be one month to the day since the Newtown school shooting, Sandy Hook Promise will kick off its national effort with a press conference on the steps of Edmond Town Hall.

It seems that anyone who wants to speak with the families of the Sandy Hook shooting has to go through this group first.  Even the Vice President has to go through them.  He wants to speak with the families and the Sandy Hook Promise group is the one who is acting as the in-between.

I find that a little strange.  No one can speak with the families unless it is through this group?

The group, Sandy Hook Promise, has been working to help the families whose loved ones were killed in the Dec. 14 massacre of 20 first-graders and six women at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown. It said in an email to the families that it could arrange a call or put the families in touch directly with Biden's office.

"If you choose to wait a few weeks, or months, the offer is still there," the group wrote.
White House officials have said they are communicating with local groups and the families in Newtown.

 Sandy Hook Promise co-founder Tim Makris said it passed along Biden's offer as part of its mission to aid the families.

WHY in the world would a group be in control of who speaks to the families?  Did the families put this group in charge?  They changed their name from Newtown United to Sandy Hook Promise to have more of a gut reaction/emotional trigger from people?   Also what is the "Promise" part of their name?  What are they promising?  Gun Control?

(for the rest:  http://sherriequestioningall.blogspot.c ... -hook.html)

http://www.sandyhookpromise.org/


Shooting Victims' Families Offer Sandy Hook Promise
http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/newtown- ... e-18211909  (video at link)

[Amanda]

Okay, here are some notes on the Joyce Riley/Mike Powers audio (video posted a few comments back or links below)

January 16, 2013 (hour 2) – Joyce Riley interviews Mike Powers –professional investigator w/a mile long law enforcement resume...a true pro

http://archives2013.gcnlive.com/Archive ... 116132.mp3

January 16, 2013 (hour 3) - Continuation of guest Mike Powers

http://archives2013.gcnlive.com/Archive ... 116133.mp3


Chris Rodia/Black Honda

On the whole issue of the black honda, this Mike Powers guy is not buying the correction offered by the Greenwich police. He seems to have some understanding of how radio communications work in law enforcement and says all of these places have special frequencies set up for communications during emergencies (?) So, he's not buying the whole "radio traffic/confusion" explanation as to why the guy recording the transmissions supposedly got things confused. (It really would help if someone who has access could look up the license plate numbers and confirm this one way or another).

More info on the black honda/Chris Rodia situation is here:
 
Sandy Hook Shooting:Suspect Car Linked to Christopher A Rodia and Drug Family of Norwalk
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/12 ... f-norwalk/

(now one of the reasons I wasn't totally convinced by the Greenwich police info was b/c the link above has a google earth photo of the residence of Chris Rodia and it kind of looks like a black car in the driveway...but I know that means/proves nothing)

Sandy Hook Shooting: Hearst Owned Paper Clears Rodia – See? Case Closed
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2013/01 ... se-closed/


Also, there are still others who are continuing to question the whole issue around the police radio and calling in of the license plates. Now I honestly don't understand anything about police radios, but here's what some are asking:

Why Is Chris Rodia's Name Showing Up On Newtown Police Radio, 50 Miles Away
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDhfxcj_GyM

video description: Published on Jan 5, 2013- So his name showed up on a police radio recording from the next county over? Does that make any sense?

(okay, I'm pretty sure they are both in Fairfield County, but Greenwich and Newtown are about 45 miles apart)

Comments:

HistoricalRecordsVLT 1 week ago - And if Rodia is lying about being in Greenwich why is a cop backing up his story? It almost seems like they are digging themselves a deeper hole with this Rodia thing. I don't get why his story doesn't seem to be adding up. Now Vance seems to be back peddling on that even bein Nancy lanzas car in that same article

Scott Walker 1 week ago - There's no way in hell those radio signals came from 50 miles away!

Also, it seems like this whole issue of the black honda really needs to get resolved b/c if it is registered to Chris Rodia and NOT the Lanzas, then how did Adam get to the scene of the crime?  


Rousseau Car/Bullet Holes

Mike Powers points out that these bullet holes show that there was obviously gunfire outside the school (plus the shooter was supposed to have shot his way into the school too, right?), so he wants to know why there were no 911 calls from anyone in the surrounding neighborhood. He seems to think that someone should have/would have heard something. (Is it possible that the bullet holes are from another incident?)

Now, this guy George Freund (he's a retired cop from Toronto) has some info on the Rousseau car bullets here:  http://www.conspiracy-cafe.com/apps/blo ... ive-my-car

He has some close up photos and says this:

Then there is an issue of teacher Lauren Rousseau's car being riddled with bullets on the outside of the school. Whoever said there was shooting outside?
Her Honda was green.  There was a gunfight at the O.K. corral in the parking lot. It may very well be that a drug deal went south and they shot it out. One of the 'second' shooters has been identified as well. If we look at the above pictures of Rousseau's car, pay attention to the upper image. Call me stoopid, but that looks like an exit hole. It craters out not in. Baby you can drive my car, but try NOT to shoot your gun off from inside please because then people will want to ban them.

Also, on George's site, if you scroll down, he seems to question whether Nancy Lanza actually owned any guns:

NOW THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION?  The only proof we have that Nancy Lanza owned firearms was the media saying she did. There is no documentary evidence from the police who would have had to issue a permit after a serious application process that includes a fingerprint check. DID NANCY LANZA OWN ANY GUNS? As a case for comparison I can show you Eleanor Roosevelt owned and carried a firearm.(image of license application at the site)

(Also, I've already posted this, but here's more info on lack of gun permits in Nancy Lanza's name: No Gun Permit Under Nancy Lanza's Name In Public Records, Says TIME Magazine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2CJVaYHqBw )


Okay, back to the car bullets. The site below has some photos of the car in the parking lot and info on what would have been the trajectory of the bullet. Does it look like they are saying the gun was fired from the roof of the school?? If so, then how did the supposed shooter, Lanza, get up there? The only people I saw up there (video) were law enforcement types.

Lauren Rousseau's Car Riddled With Bullet Holes In Sandy Hook Parking Lot?
http://usahitman.com/lrcrbh/ (photos here)

The official story: Lauren's car was struck by bullets shot from inside the building. There was no record of any bullet holes in the windows of the school... Here is another image that shows the angle which the gun had to be fired... Now with your knowledge of the angle her car would have been parked at in relation to the shooter, how is it possible for a bullet hole to penetrate the side of her car at the trajectory shown above? Was there no car beside her? This is just one of the many mysteries about the official story. More research coming in different articles, stay tuned.

So, since the Toronto cop is saying that one of the bullet holes looks like it's from the inside and this article seems to suggest there's a problem w/the trajectory, all of this makes me wonder whether the bullet holes are even from this incident.


Broken Glass Issue

Okay, Mike Powers seems to have a problem w/the story about the shooter breaking into the school through the glass door. He gets into details about glass doors, etc. and also says he hasn't seen any photos of broken glass. Now this video below shows bit of broken glass, but if you listen carefully, it seems like Vance is suggesting/implying that the police might have broken glass as well when they were trying to access the building. So do we even know who broke the glass shown  in this video?

The Broken Glass At The Front Of Sandy Hook School
[youtube:1hnzt099]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUP1jNwGWNA[/youtube]1hnzt099]

Also at about the 20 sec mark, there's a question from a reporter that I couldn't make out, but then Vance responds "well, if you take that out of context, that sounds suspicious..." Can anyone make out what the reporter asked? From the direction Vance takes it, it kind of sounds like the question had to do w/the windows or broken glass.

And then there's this:

Attorney Says Sandy Hook School "Was Supposed to Have Bulletproof Glass"
[youtube:1hnzt099]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5xt3C4c5XQ[/youtube]1hnzt099]

video description: Published on Jan 2, 2013
01/02/2013

Irving Pinsky, attorney for the student who survived the Sandy Hook elementary school mass shooting in Newtown, appeared on CNN's Starting Point this morning to discuss his reasons for dropping the lawsuit against the State of Connecticut for the time being.

What I found interesting about the interview, was when Brooke Baldwin mentioned the recent security system/measures put into place by the school, and how Adam Lanza allegedly shot through the glass to get in, Pinsky replied, "Which was supposed to be bulletproof glass."

I have noticed the mainstream media has reported him as saying the school SHOULD HAVE HAD bulletproof glass, but that's not what he said. He said the school "was supposed to have bulletproof glass."

He also gave a look to Baldwin after he said it, opening his eyes wide, twice, as if what he just said was shocking information. I thought it may be some sort of nervous twitch he had, but I don't notice him doing it anywhere else in the interview.

Did Sandy Hook elementary school already have bulletproof glass installed BEFORE the shooting?

One more thing to add to the long list of questions about the official narrative.

[FrankDialogue]

Amanda posts:
On the whole issue of the black honda, this Mike Powers guy is not buying the correction offered by the Greenwich police. He seems to have some understanding of how radio communications work in law enforcement and says all of these places have special frequencies set up for communications during emergencies (?) So, he's not buying the whole "radio traffic/confusion" explanation as to why the guy recording the transmissions supposedly got things confused. (It really would help if someone who has access could look up the license plate numbers and confirm this one way or another).

The police transmissions came from police radio, which is a form of Citizens Band radio...But when police run a license plate check, they usually do it from a laptop right in the police car...The laptop has access to the state Dept of Motor Vehicles registration/Licensing database.

A few cop cars these days don't have laptops, so the cop wanting the tag/registration info can radio to another car that does have a laptop and request the info, or he can radio to the police dispatcher, who will have a PC connected to the DMV database.

The radio transmissions we have heard between cops seem to clearly identify the car as belonging to Chris Rodia.

So, the question becomes: What was Chris Rodia's car doing at the school?...This has never been answered by Rodia or the police, and the police towed the car, removing evidence from the scene.

Why would Nancy Lanza have a old beat up car?...Supposedly, the Lanzas had bucks...If the car was Rodia's, why did 'Adam Lanza' have access to it?...Simple questions that nobody asked and nobody answered...Chris Rodia was a convicted felon...Also, 'Rodia' appeared in one of these TV interviews...It seems like Rodia had bench warrants on him...Why was he walking around free to give TV interviews?

Basic stuff/questions.

As far as calling Connecticut DMV to check on the Rodia plate, state DMVs do not do checks like this for third party 'private citizens' (by phone anyway: Most states have a form you can send in for about $10 that's called a 'Vehicle Abstract' that might give info)...An exception might be if YOU could give evidence that you were the car's owner, and had the title number, the VIN number, and a driver's license that linked to that particular car.  :cry:



What is a Police Scanner: Short explanation

A scanner is a radio receiver that can automatically tune, or scan, two or more discrete frequencies, stopping when it finds a signal on one of them and then continuing to scan other frequencies when the initial transmission ceases.

The terms radio scanner or police scanner generally refer to a communications receiver that is primarily intended for monitoring VHF and UHF landmobile radio systems, as opposed to, say, a receiver used to monitor international shortwave transmissions.

More often than not, these scanners can also tune to different types of modulation as well (AM, FM, WFM, etc.). Early scanners were slow, bulky, and expensive. Today, modern microprocessors have enabled scanners to store thousands of channels and monitor hundreds of channels per second. Recent models can follow trunked radio systems and decode APCO-P25 digital transmissions. Both hand held and desktop models are available. Scanners are often used to monitor police, fire and emergency medical services. Radio scanning serves an important role in the fields of journalism and crime investigation, as well as a hobby for many people around the world.



Simple 'home' scanner with touch screen like an 'Android' cell phone

You know what the tuner is on your radio right?...You either turn the knob, or press buttons that tune to the frequency of the radio station you want...A 'scanner' is an automatic, roving tuning knob that sweeps between TWO frequencies, high and low, until it picks up a stong signal...It then pauses or locks on that frequency, and you can hear whatever it is that's being sent: music, talk etc...

[Ognir]

Where is the audio with Fetzer?

Listening to Mark in the show after that one

[Amanda]

Here's the audio w/Tilawi/Piper/Glenn/Fetzer:
http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2013/ ... n-13-2013/

Lindsey posted comments. I attempted to do so (and I was not rude or obnoxious), but he refused to post my comment. I'm basically in agreement w/what commenter "Patty" posted:

Bravo Dr. Fetzer. You did an excellent job despite the hostile circumstances and I totally agree that whatever happened at Sandy Hook, it's sole purpose as a psychological operation is to disarm the American people beginning with the semi-automatic weapons which the govt. calls "assault weapons".
 
I was disappointed by the ridiculous reasoning presented by Tillawi/Piper/Glenn. They seemed to argue that no one should question or pose alternative theories regarding the latest false flag attacks on the American psyche, at least not on any mainstream forum, lest the mainstream make the entire truth movement into a bunch of kooks and that this would do irreparable damage to the 9/11 movement. This is truly idiotic logic.
 
First, who cares about anything the Jew media says. They are the kooks who disseminate only Jew/Govt lies and propaganda to further a sinister agenda. Any lie exposed will be ridiculed by them–Holohoax, 9/11, OKC, USS Liberty, JFK assassination, Pearl Harbor, Adolf Hitler, etc. Jim Fetzer did a great thing by using MSM to alert people there are other ways to look at the events of our day. Only those with ears to hear will hear.
 
Second, Tillawi kept on stupidly saying "But there are no facts, only questions and theories". After 9/11 and the "Holocaust" we were also not privy to hard-core evidence about what really happened. This extends to all historical lies. The inquiry begins with looking at all the inconsistencies and improbabilities in the official story and the lack of evidence to support the official story except for " the govt/authorities told me so". The official Sandy Hook story has so many holes in it that it unravels right before our very eyes. Go to http://www.carolynyaeger.net to hear her 2 radio shows on Sandy Hook, Sandy Hook Parts 1 and 2. Part 1 has 2 very interesting guests.

[Travis]

On a side note, what's up with Mark Glenn and his attack on those who have put forward alternative theories on this issue?

I am kind of tired of listening to Mark Glenn's show, and now his stance on this issue only makes it worse. This editorial decision over at TUT is a little reactionary, I think.  The feeling I get is that Glenn et al. felt that the independent investigators on the net were spiraling out of control over this Sandy Hook incident, and making connections where there weren't any; They were acting like conspiracy theorists.

And there has been a lot of that, no doubt. 9/11 investigations are rife with that kind of stuff. But 10 years after the fact, we see that those people who doubted the official story of 911 were correct. And in fact, one of the craziest theories, that there were no planes, to my mind seems to be the most accurate.  

I think the story that set TUT off was the one that aired on PressTV about the israeli death squad at Sandy Hook. There didn't seem to be any proof for any of that, but that guy went on the air and made that claim anyway.  A false story of that type is bound to hurt any sort of truth movement that asserts grand conspiracies.

Glenn wants to be taken seriously, and he seems to think that the juice are laughing at the "Truth" movement over this because of all of these wild assertions. And that is part of the psy-op, I believe. People who are kept in the dark will reach out for anything. Those in the know can hand them any number of false leads.

Look at the audio of the police scanner. First of all, it's scrambled. Is that normal? Then they say that there was a bleed in from another routine traffic stop in another town. The Power Hour show reports that this is nonsense, and that they would have picked a reserve channel to avoid bleed in.  

Just at that one starting point we already have the tree of deduction breaking off into many different branches. I don't know what to think. In the instant case, the obvious answer is to run down the plate. That could answer several questions at once. If it is Rodia's plate, then the story about the bleed in is a lie. If it is not Rodia's plate, and it is Lanza's, the bleed in story could be correct.

Glenn's policy at this point is ultra-conservative. But I think they are reacting too strongly. I say to keep an open mind, and try to ferret out the garbage.  Build up a pile of facts, and be certain not to add false leads into the mix.  

This policy of TUT's is confusing to me. I really find the whole Adam Lanza story difficult to swallow. The mechanics of a scrawny little guy carrying all those rounds and weapons into the school doesn't make any sense. There are way too many inconsistencies in the story: how did Rousseau's car get shot up? Was the front shot out? (Power's claims that he saw a photo where the front was not shot out. I have seen a video of the school front (here?) where the glass was shot out.) Did Lanza even exist?

The JMSM is sitting on all the pictures and audio, while we scramble in the dark, reaching for whatever we can. TUT's answer is to ignore the issue, and to mock the doubters? Because Glenn doesn't want the Jews to laugh at him?  

I don't see any problem in asking questions. It is only in making bold assertions where we get ourselves into trouble.

Hi Christopher Marlowe,

I am getting pretty confused about MG, he is the one who suggested on his website that Jews were responsible for the fukushima disaster but now he is calling those who say jews were behind Sandy Hook kooks. He could have just said this is a weak argument and left it at that but he had to mock and insult and draw from the JMSM to undermine the entire issue.

[FrankDialogue]

Old 'Skunk' over at Freedom Portal used to point out that people like Piper, Glenn, even Bollyn are just gatekeepers, and he was right to a degree.

See, human nature: You give someone a radio show, a forum, a job, then the person has an interest in protecting their position.

You can be a 'Jew hunter' or a 'Nazi hunter', but it gives you a niche, and sometimes, especially in this crazy world, you can make money or get free lunches from such activities.

Now, Sandy Hook, which involved young children, it brings up certain primal instincts and can cause problems if you ask too many or 'wrong' questions...Ask Professor Tracy, who seems a reasonable man.

But you will never get an answer if you don't ask a question.

[LordLindsey]

I agree and dis-agree with Mark on all of this.  There are just too damned many problems with this Sandy Hook thing, especially about the cameras apparently not capturing anything, or at least that is what I have heard or read in some of the articles.  This whole thing is beyond bizarre, but to say absolutely, on international television, that israHell/Mossad did this, and then to go on giving theories about HOW they carried it out by murdering the Lanzas the day before the attack, etc., is totally ir-responsible at this point.  There is absolutely no evidence for any of those claims, AND THAT IS WHY MARK IS AS UPSET AS HE IS ABOUT ALL OF THIS.

I am really torn on this one because I love Mark Glenn and all of the great folks at TheUglyTruth network, and I just wish that we could stick to what we can all see is terribly wrong and focus on that instead of things where there is no evidence because this is causing all kinds of in-fighting and consternation.

Another key point for me on which, I believe, we all agree is that he used PISTOLS to do the killings--as reported--BUT NOW WE ARE BEING TOLD THAT HE USED RIFLE(S) TO DO THE KILLING, THE SAME RIFLE(S) THAT WAS/WERE IN THE TRUNK OF THE CAR AS WE ALL SAW FROM THE HELICOPTER FOOTAGE!!!  Furthermore, there were only those pistols found in the building, and I have not read anything to do the contrary of that except what is NOW being said, which I find to be absurd.

I can go on and on and on, but my main point is that I have to admit that what Mike Harris did, and Dr. Fetzer carried forward on his own, is pre-mature, and can even be called ir-responsible, at this point, by laying the blame on israHell/Mossad.  Does anyone else REALLY dis-agree with anything that I have said?

Lindsey

[Ognir]

Hi Christopher Marlowe,

I am getting pretty confused about MG, he is the one who suggested on his website that Jews were responsible for the fukushima disaster but now he is calling those who say jews were behind Sandy Hook kooks. He could have just said this is a weak argument and left it at that but he had to mock and insult and draw from the JMSM to undermine the entire issue.

[/quote]

Am listening to Mark's follow-on show, 3/4 way in, another member of Mark's network calls and says he's been a pin-cushion for his shots? WTF Flu vaccine or what?

Don't understand why Mark had Fetzer on in the 1st place, Moon Beams and 911, would never read or watch anything Fetzer has to say, so why have him on, saying this, I've not heard the original Fetzer audio.

"People like Fetzer make AJ sound sane" not possible

Agree with Mark that VT Jews should never BE QUOTED, ever remember the 40% disinfo

Final comment, Mark should forget about what the Jewish media thinks about us and this didn't happen since 911, we have had our researchers long before Mark or myself were born.

Radio Debate, Og would think about it

[LordLindsey]

Noel, you SHOULD do a debate between John Friend or Dr. Fetzer, and this Jeff Prager cat.  THAT would be must-hear radio.  I will give you John Friend's contact information, and he can ask Dr. Fetzer how to contact Jeff Prager.

You are a great host/interviewer, and need to get back to doing shows, anyway.

Lindsey

[Amanda]

Okay, a few comments back I posted this info:

Now in the video posted a couple of comments back w/Joyce Riley and Mike Powers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK8tLX6VQp4) at some point in the second hour, Joyce mentions the Wall Street Journal article (posted earlier on this thread) that stated they couldn't find any evidence of Nancy or Adam Lanza going to any of the shooting ranges in that local area. Also, on Charlie's show yesterday (http://grizzom.blogspot.nl/2013/01/trut ... ni_16.html) his guest, Greg Kalina, mentioned toward the end of the show that a contact of his also called all the shooting ranges w/in 50 miles of Newtown CT and no one had heard of Nancy or Adam Lanza. (so, although the controlled media has told us Nancy took Adam for shooting practice, nobody can find any evidence to support this)

And I  just found more info that basically says the same thing:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/15/us/connec ... =allsearch

ATF Special Assistant Agent Gene Marquez said his agency "has not been able to uncover any evidence that the mother and the son were actively engaged in going to the gun ranges, practicing marksmanship, or anything of that nature."

So, even though the MSM keeps echoing the point about Nancy Lanza taking Adam for shooting practice, there's no evidence that this is the case.

[FrankDialogue]

Amanda posts:

So, even though the MSM keeps echoing the point about Nancy Lanza taking Adam for shooting practice, there's no evidence that this is the case.

I would say that there is really no hard evidence of ANYTHING in this case...Only clues and allegations, which haven't been explained followed up on by 'authorities', only on the Internet.

Put simply, the whole story doesn't jibe.

Unless you have 'boots on the ground' in Newtown Connecticut investigating this case, you are left with conjecture, or with what 'THEY said'...And, as I have previously stated, I think any 'boots on the ground' in Newtown would find themselves ending up as 'accidents statistics' rather quickly...Investigative journalism in the fundamental sense is dead.

Who are 'THEY'?...In this case, it would be Connecticut state authorities, such as Lt. Paul Vance, a 'PR specialist with the State Police' or the CT State coroner, Wayne Carver...Vance has said nothing with any hard evidence to back it up, and as for Carver, after his one 'performance', he has been taken out of the loop.

The other 'THEY' are the media, who have changed the story many times, or have been unable to get the story straight, led by the likes of Anderson Cooper or Wolf Blitzer, two notorious liars...Local media has been basically silent.

So, all we have are questions.

[Amanda]

Frank posts:

I would say that there is really no hard evidence of ANYTHING in this case  

EXACTLY!!!!!!!

[Amanda]

An Enraged Gene Rosen Wanted To Murder Sandy Hook Skeptic

Video description- Published on Jan 15, 2013 - This guy is getting really creepy now. As if he wasn't creepy enough before. Articles below in description.


here are a couple of interesting comments:

stinge68- 3 days ago - well the MSM said all the kids that ran from Soto's room were gunned down and killed...how did these dead children make it to uncle bad touch's house? He is either a bold face liar looking for his 15mins of fame or he is a bold face liar that has more to do with this story than we are aware of!

Survival4theFamily- 2 days ago - ...I would like to ask Mr. Rosen, who lives right next door to the Fire Station, how he did not see or hear the massive amounts of emergency vehicles roaring down his street. In the chopper video there are a minimum of 50 cop cars and 10 ambulances. That had to make some noise. Not to mention the 1000 cars stuffed down his street. 

I also heard the same info about Gene Rosen living next to the firestation, but haven't been able to verify it. Also, like Mike Powers said in the audio w/Joyce Riley, Gene Rosen is NOT a retired psychologist. The guy runs a pet sitting business (<!-- m -->http://genespetservice.com/services<!-- m -->) and people have found "Gene's Pet Service" on linkedin and he has two years of college (you need a doctorate to be a psychologist)

[Travis]

I agree and dis-agree with Mark on all of this.  There are just too damned many problems with this Sandy Hook thing, especially about the cameras apparently not capturing anything, or at least that is what I have heard or read in some of the articles.  This whole thing is beyond bizarre, but to say absolutely, on international television, that israHell/Mossad did this, and then to go on giving theories about HOW they carried it out by murdering the Lanzas the day before the attack, etc., is totally ir-responsible at this point.  There is absolutely no evidence for any of those claims, AND THAT IS WHY MARK IS AS UPSET AS HE IS ABOUT ALL OF THIS.

I am really torn on this one because I love Mark Glenn and all of the great folks at TheUglyTruth network, and I just wish that we could stick to what we can all see is terribly wrong and focus on that instead of things where there is no evidence because this is causing all kinds of in-fighting and consternation.

Another key point for me on which, I believe, we all agree is that he used PISTOLS to do the killings--as reported--BUT NOW WE ARE BEING TOLD THAT HE USED RIFLE(S) TO DO THE KILLING, THE SAME RIFLE(S) THAT WAS/WERE IN THE TRUNK OF THE CAR AS WE ALL SAW FROM THE HELICOPTER FOOTAGE!!!  Furthermore, there were only those pistols found in the building, and I have not read anything to do the contrary of that except what is NOW being said, which I find to be absurd.

I can go on and on and on, but my main point is that I have to admit that what Mike Harris did, and Dr. Fetzer carried forward on his own, is pre-mature, and can even be called ir-responsible, at this point, by laying the blame on israHell/Mossad.  Does anyone else REALLY dis-agree with anything that I have said?

Lindsey

Lindsey I have been reading your posts over at TUT. I have to say I think MG is going over the top on this issue and is not taking into account all factors. Yes I agree there is no proof that jews were behind the attacks but when you consider MG teaches Jews are behind most events that have a political angle including fukushima it's only natural people will blame the Jews when they start smelling a rat over the Sandy Hook JMSM narrative. Like it or not the Jews have become the boggy man for many on-line researchers, whenever shit goes down which matches their MO they get the blame.

[FrankDialogue]

Amanda posts: Gene Rosen...

There's something very wrong with this guy, and he is lying with every word...Watch this Barbie Doll interview him...Might just be media 'milking it', as all tragedies have 'witnesses' who seek to gain the spotlight...This boy a very sick pup, nonetheless.

[Amanda]

Anyone else find this a bit creepy/disturbing?? And those green ribbons are really starting to bother me--I've been suspicious of them from the start. Kind of gives it a bit too much of a campaign feeling (and we know what the campaign is for). And one of the charities involved w/this is the United Way of Western CT (they are the ones who had their fund page up  and ready a couple of days before the big event)

Ingrid Michaelson, Newtown Sandy hook school Children Perform 'Somewhere Over the Rainbow' on GMA

Children from Sandy Hook school record 'Over the  Rainbow' at home of former rockers

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Somewhere over the rainbow, skies are blue for the young survivors of the Newtown massacre.

Students from Sandy Hook Elementary School spent Monday recording their own emotional rendition of "Over The Rainbow" at the Connecticut home of former Talking Heads rockers Chris Frantz and Tina Weymouth.

"It was a great pleasure for us," Frantz told the Daily News. "It was emotional, absolutely. But the kids were resilient. They loved to sing and they were good at it."

"I think they might have a hit record," said the Talking Heads and Tom Tom Club drummer, who opened up the home studio he shares with his wife, Weymouth.

The 20 children, 6 to 9, most of whom were inside the Connecticut school when troubled loner Adam Lanza gunned down 26 of their friends and neighbors, sang their hearts out on the track, which will benefit their town.

The song will debut Tuesday on "Good Morning America" and all proceeds from its sale on iTunes and Amazon will go to Newtown Youth Academy, a local nonprofit, and to the United Way of Western Connecticut

The pint-sized vocalists recorded their "Song For Sandy Hook" at the homey studio in Farfield, Conn. with their proud parents looking on. They also played in the yard outside.

The angelic girls wore green ribbons in their hair and pinned to their sweaters to memorialize their slain classmates. They also spent a day at the studio last week.

"I told the kids to treat it like a prayer, so they were very well-behaved," said Newtown music teacher Sabrina Post, who coached the choir beforehand.

"The result sounds incredibly beautiful," Post added. "I played it for some musicians I know and they cried immediately."

New York indie pop singer Ingrid Michaelson sent a recording of herself singing the classic Judy Garland ballad and playing the ukulele to accompany the kids.

"I wanted to do something to help in some way," Michaelson said, labeling the track "a song of longing and hope to find peace."

Frantz called the Newtown tragedy a wakeup call.

"We moved up here from New York with the idea that our children would be able to have green grass and fresh air where the schools are good and the schools are safe," he said. "It just goes to show how wrong you can be."

"We have a very serious problem with all these shootings," said Frantz. "I would like to see some very strict laws written."

[LordLindsey]

"We have a very serious problem with all these shootings," said Frantz. "I would like to see some very strict laws written."

Thus spake "Irish Catholic" Frantz.

Lindsey

[Travis]

Perhaps those kids from Sandy Hook may want to mention all the kids that Americans have been killing in foreign lands.