Sandy Hook Connecticut state police hold a news conference in Newtown

[Christopher Marlowe]

Another interesting point that Mike Powers mentioned on the Power Hour show, posted a few pages back, was that media had reported that Nancy Lanza had legally possession of all of her guns.  But Powers pointed out that Connecticut's gun laws are very strict concerning assault rifles, and that Lanza could not be in legal possession of that so-called "assault rifle".  I just checked, and it seems that Powers is correct:

Sec. 53-202c. Possession of assault weapon prohibited. Class D felony. (a) Except as provided in section 53-202e, any person who, within this state, possesses any assault weapon, except as provided in sections 29-37j, 53-202a to 53-202k, inclusive, and 53-202o and subsection (h) of section 53a-46a, shall be guilty of a class D felony and shall be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of which one year may not be suspended or reduced; except that a first-time violation of this subsection shall be a class A misdemeanor if (1) the person presents proof that he lawfully possessed the assault weapon prior to October 1, 1993, and (2) the person has otherwise possessed the firearm in compliance with subsection (d) of section 53-202d.

      (b) The provisions of subsection (a) of this section shall not apply to the possession of assault weapons by members or employees of the Department of Public Safety, police departments, the Department of Correction or the military or naval forces of this state or of the United States for use in the discharge of their official duties; nor shall anything in sections 29-37j and 53-202a to 53-202k, inclusive, and subsection (h) of section 53a-46a prohibit the possession or use of assault weapons by sworn members of these agencies when on duty and the use is within the scope of their duties.

      (c) The provisions of subsection (a) of this section shall not apply to the possession of an assault weapon by any person prior to July 1, 1994, if all of the following are applicable:

      (1) The person is eligible under sections 29-37j and 53-202a to 53-202k, inclusive, and subsection (h) of section 53a-46a to apply for a certificate of possession for the assault weapon by July 1, 1994;

      (2) The person lawfully possessed the assault weapon prior to October 1, 1993; and

      (3) The person is otherwise in compliance with sections 29-37j and 53-202a to 53-202k, inclusive, and subsection (h) of section 53a-46a.

      (d) The provisions of subsection (a) of this section shall not apply to a person who is the executor or administrator of an estate that includes an assault weapon for which a certificate of possession has been issued under section 53-202d, if the assault weapon is possessed at a place set forth in subdivision (1) of subsection (d) of section 53-202d or as authorized by the Probate Court.

The impression I got from the JMSM reporting was that Nancy Lanza had purchase her weapons much more recently than 1993, so that exception would not apply.  Also, NL was not a cop or military...to my knowledge.

The Bushmaster rifle is defined under this statute as an assault rifle:

Sec. 53-202a. Assault weapons: Definition. (a) As used in this section and sections 53-202b to 53-202k, inclusive, "assault weapon" means:

      (1) Any selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic, semiautomatic or burst fire at the option of the user or any of the following specified semiautomatic firearms: Algimec Agmi; Armalite AR-180; Australian Automatic Arms SAP Pistol; Auto-Ordnance Thompson type; Avtomat Kalashnikov AK-47 type; Barrett Light-Fifty model 82A1; Beretta AR-70; Bushmaster Auto Rifle and Auto Pistol; Calico models M-900, M-950 and 100-P; Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88; Colt AR-15 and Sporter; Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max-1 and Max-2; Encom MK-IV, MP-9 and MP-45; Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FN/FNC; FAMAS MAS 223; Feather AT-9 and Mini-AT; Federal XC-900 and XC-450; Franchi SPAS-12 and LAW-12; Galil AR and ARM; Goncz High-Tech Carbine and High-Tech Long Pistol; Heckler & Koch HK-91, HK-93, HK-94 and SP-89; Holmes MP-83; MAC-10, MAC-11 and MAC-11 Carbine type; Intratec TEC-9 and Scorpion; Iver Johnson Enforcer model 3000; Ruger Mini-14/5F folding stock model only; Scarab Skorpion; SIG 57 AMT and 500 series; Spectre Auto Carbine and Auto Pistol; Springfield Armory BM59, SAR-48 and G-3; Sterling MK-6 and MK-7; Steyr AUG; Street Sweeper and Striker 12 revolving cylinder shotguns; USAS-12; UZI Carbine, Mini-Carbine and Pistol; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson "Linda" Pistol;

      (2) A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (1) of this subsection, or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (1) of this subsection, may be rapidly assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person;

      (3) Any semiautomatic firearm not listed in subdivision (1) of this subsection that meets the following criteria:

      (A) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:

      (i) A folding or telescoping stock;

      (ii) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

      (iii) A bayonet mount;

      (iv) A flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and

      (v) A grenade launcher; or

      (B) A semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:

      (i) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;

      (ii) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip or silencer;

      (iii) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;

      (iv) A manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and

      (v) A semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; or

      (C) A semiautomatic shotgun that has at least two of the following:

      (i) A folding or telescoping stock;

      (ii) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

      (iii) A fixed magazine capacity in excess of five rounds; and

      (iv) An ability to accept a detachable magazine; or

      (4) A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (3) of this subsection, or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (3) of this subsection, may be rapidly assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.

      (b) As used in this section and sections 53-202b to 53-202k, inclusive, the term "assault weapon" does not include any firearm modified to render it permanently inoperable.

[Amanda]

Okay, for those interested, John Friend has a new post on the Sandy Hook situation:

And here's what he posted in the comments section:  http://johnfriendsblog.blogspot.com/201 ... dates.html

Hey everyone, no time to respond to any comments right now, but thanks, great input. Here is a revealing article in The Jewish Daily Forward that showed up in my inbox this morning. Read the whole thing to get a picture of the meme they are trying to push - the internet fuels extremism, "anti-Semitism", and "conspiracy theorists"; these people are sick and twisted and need mental help; questioning the government is dangerous and evil; etc.

The Jewish Victim of Newtown Conspiracy Theorists(JF: of course poor old Gene Rosen is a "victim"; the Jews are always the "victims", right?)

http://forward.com/articles/169490/the- ... z2INRx9f2q

Gene Rosen was walking out of his house to get lunch at a diner in his hometown of Newtown, Conn., when he came across six children and an adult sitting in his driveway. Confused, the retired psychologist asked them what they were doing.

The date was December 14, 2012. Less than a mile away, a shooter had just opened fire at Sandy Hook Elementary School. The adult was a school bus driver who had just driven the children away from the scene of the violence.

Rosen, 69, who happens to be Jewish, did exactly what any normal person would do, nothing more, nothing less. He took the children into his house and allowed them to stay there until their parents and authorities arrived to pick them up.

The simple act of kindness isn't really remarkable. But in a startling and disturbing twist, it has somehow landed Rosen in the middle of a storm of hatred. He has now been targeted by hate-fueled conspiracy theorists who claim the Newtown shooting either didn't actually happen or was somehow concocted for political gain.

Rosen has been harassed by phone and by email. Fake social media accounts have been created in his name. His story has been the subject of dozens of YouTube videos, one of which is mocked as an "audition tape" for his TV debut. The video shows Rosen, distraught and sobbing, explaining to a reporter what happened from the moment he saw the Sandy Hook children in his driveway.

"[The children] said, 'What are we going to do for a teacher? Our teacher is dead,'" Rosen says in the video, his voice cracking between sentences.

Rosen's hesitant manner of speech has been flagged by those suspicious of a cover-up as proof that he is an actor attempting to learn his lines.

"I don't know what to do," Rosen told Salon.com in an interview on January 15. "I'm getting hang up calls, I'm getting emails with, not direct threats, but accusations that I'm lying, that I'm a crisis actor, 'how much am I being paid.'"

[FrankDialogue]

"We have a very serious problem with all these shootings," said Frantz. "I would like to see some very strict laws written."

Thus spake "Irish Catholic" Frantz.

Lindsey

Well, everybody's getting in on the act: And remember, rock musicians aren't geniuses.  <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->

Frantz and Weymouth, of course, were with the Talking Heads from the beginning of that band, but quit around 1980 because apparently David Byrne was shorting them on money...I remember reading an article with them at that time where Frantz mentioned that he and his wife had just done a 4-5 month world tour with the Talking Heads and THEIR net take when they got back to NY was something like $3000!...They were selling out 15000 seat venues every show...This definitely happens in the music business, and the Talking Heads were like one of the 5 top rock groups at that time.

That's when they formed the Tom Tom Club and had a #1 record with this:

They have roots in the New England area.

I only liked maybe 2-3 Talking Heads songs, and David Byrne always gave me the creeps.

[Travis]

Another interesting point that Mike Powers mentioned on the Power Hour show, posted a few pages back, was that media had reported that Nancy Lanza had legally possession of all of her guns.  But Powers pointed out that Connecticut's gun laws are very strict concerning assault rifles, and that Lanza could not be in legal possession of that so-called "assault rifle".  I just checked, and it seems that Powers is correct:

Sec. 53-202c. Possession of assault weapon prohibited. Class D felony. (a) Except as provided in section 53-202e, any person who, within this state, possesses any assault weapon, except as provided in sections 29-37j, 53-202a to 53-202k, inclusive, and 53-202o and subsection (h) of section 53a-46a, shall be guilty of a class D felony and shall be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of which one year may not be suspended or reduced; except that a first-time violation of this subsection shall be a class A misdemeanor if (1) the person presents proof that he lawfully possessed the assault weapon prior to October 1, 1993, and (2) the person has otherwise possessed the firearm in compliance with subsection (d) of section 53-202d.

      (b) The provisions of subsection (a) of this section shall not apply to the possession of assault weapons by members or employees of the Department of Public Safety, police departments, the Department of Correction or the military or naval forces of this state or of the United States for use in the discharge of their official duties; nor shall anything in sections 29-37j and 53-202a to 53-202k, inclusive, and subsection (h) of section 53a-46a prohibit the possession or use of assault weapons by sworn members of these agencies when on duty and the use is within the scope of their duties.

      (c) The provisions of subsection (a) of this section shall not apply to the possession of an assault weapon by any person prior to July 1, 1994, if all of the following are applicable:

      (1) The person is eligible under sections 29-37j and 53-202a to 53-202k, inclusive, and subsection (h) of section 53a-46a to apply for a certificate of possession for the assault weapon by July 1, 1994;

      (2) The person lawfully possessed the assault weapon prior to October 1, 1993; and

      (3) The person is otherwise in compliance with sections 29-37j and 53-202a to 53-202k, inclusive, and subsection (h) of section 53a-46a.

      (d) The provisions of subsection (a) of this section shall not apply to a person who is the executor or administrator of an estate that includes an assault weapon for which a certificate of possession has been issued under section 53-202d, if the assault weapon is possessed at a place set forth in subdivision (1) of subsection (d) of section 53-202d or as authorized by the Probate Court.

The impression I got from the JMSM reporting was that Nancy Lanza had purchase her weapons much more recently than 1993, so that exception would not apply.  Also, NL was not a cop or military...to my knowledge.

The Bushmaster rifle is defined under this statute as an assault rifle:

Sec. 53-202a. Assault weapons: Definition. (a) As used in this section and sections 53-202b to 53-202k, inclusive, "assault weapon" means:

      (1) Any selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic, semiautomatic or burst fire at the option of the user or any of the following specified semiautomatic firearms: Algimec Agmi; Armalite AR-180; Australian Automatic Arms SAP Pistol; Auto-Ordnance Thompson type; Avtomat Kalashnikov AK-47 type; Barrett Light-Fifty model 82A1; Beretta AR-70; Bushmaster Auto Rifle and Auto Pistol; Calico models M-900, M-950 and 100-P; Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88; Colt AR-15 and Sporter; Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max-1 and Max-2; Encom MK-IV, MP-9 and MP-45; Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FN/FNC; FAMAS MAS 223; Feather AT-9 and Mini-AT; Federal XC-900 and XC-450; Franchi SPAS-12 and LAW-12; Galil AR and ARM; Goncz High-Tech Carbine and High-Tech Long Pistol; Heckler & Koch HK-91, HK-93, HK-94 and SP-89; Holmes MP-83; MAC-10, MAC-11 and MAC-11 Carbine type; Intratec TEC-9 and Scorpion; Iver Johnson Enforcer model 3000; Ruger Mini-14/5F folding stock model only; Scarab Skorpion; SIG 57 AMT and 500 series; Spectre Auto Carbine and Auto Pistol; Springfield Armory BM59, SAR-48 and G-3; Sterling MK-6 and MK-7; Steyr AUG; Street Sweeper and Striker 12 revolving cylinder shotguns; USAS-12; UZI Carbine, Mini-Carbine and Pistol; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson "Linda" Pistol;

      (2) A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (1) of this subsection, or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (1) of this subsection, may be rapidly assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person;

      (3) Any semiautomatic firearm not listed in subdivision (1) of this subsection that meets the following criteria:

      (A) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:

      (i) A folding or telescoping stock;

      (ii) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

      (iii) A bayonet mount;

      (iv) A flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and

      (v) A grenade launcher; or

      (B) A semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following:

      (i) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;

      (ii) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip or silencer;

      (iii) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;

      (iv) A manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and

      (v) A semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; or

      (C) A semiautomatic shotgun that has at least two of the following:

      (i) A folding or telescoping stock;

      (ii) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;

      (iii) A fixed magazine capacity in excess of five rounds; and

      (iv) An ability to accept a detachable magazine; or

      (4) A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (3) of this subsection, or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (3) of this subsection, may be rapidly assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.

      (b) As used in this section and sections 53-202b to 53-202k, inclusive, the term "assault weapon" does not include any firearm modified to render it permanently inoperable.

The term assault rifle is confusing and can mean different things in different contexts. I think the law you mention is in reference to fully automatic weapons. The Bushmaster in question is a semi automatic M4 replica. The M4 used by the military is fully automatic. Currently they are trying to ban all semiautomatic rifles.

[Ognir]

What about the injured, haven't heard much at all

[Christopher Marlowe]

The term assault rifle is confusing and can mean different things in different contexts. I think the law you mention is in reference to fully automatic weapons. The Bushmaster in question is a semi automatic M4 replica. The M4 used by the military is fully automatic. Currently they are trying to ban all semiautomatic rifles.

I don't know anything about guns, and I was careful to use "assault rifle" in quotes, as I know this term to be ambiguous.

However, the law does define weapons which were banned. And that law specifically mentions semiautomatics.

Any selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic, semiautomatic or burst fire at the option of the user or any of the following specified semiautomatic firearms: .... Bushmaster Auto Rifle and Auto Pistol

As I said, I don't know anything about guns, but this law seems to cover the rifle that allegedly was owned by Nancy Lanza.  As you said, the gun in question was a semi-automatic. (Whatever that means.   ) Further, it is a replica of one brand that is specifically banned. I would not want to be the lawyer writing the appeal which explains why this law does not cover that weapon.  It very clearly does. I'm not sure, but the ensuing list of descriptive terms is also used a a catch-all for any custom weapons of this type:

(4) A part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (3) of this subsection, or any combination of parts from which an assault weapon, as defined in subdivision (3) of this subsection, may be rapidly assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.

Notice that I am citing Connecticut law.  This is not federal law, which is what is currently being considered.  

The point of my post was to confirm what that Mike Powers was correct in saying that the weapon which the JMSM had said Nancy Lanza was in legal possession of, would have been illegal for her to possess.  

I am making this assessment under the understanding that NL came into possession of that weapon well AFTER 1993.  Also, NL was not a cop, or agent that is excluded under the law.

[Amanda]

Okay, I'm reposting the audio below, in case some missed it.

This Mike Powers on Freedom Link Radio from a couple of weeks prior to the Joyce Riley audio. Though there is some info overlap, he also brings up info in this audio that he didn't get to in the interview w/Joyce.

Again, he's a US Naval Law Enforcement Veteran and US Army Infantry/Reconnaissance Military Veteran.  He seems to have lots of expertise when it comes to guns/weapons. Plus he seems very knowledgeable about police procedures. Also, either in this audio or the one w/Joyce Riley, Mike Powers mentioned that he has participated in mass casualty/emergency drills (i.e. he knows what they're about and knows them when he sees them!!)

And for those who don't have time to listen or go through all the notes below, Mike basically states that he believes that this was a District Wide Disaster and Emergency Services Mass Casualty Incident Practice. He seems to think this was staged and explains why.

Mike Powers on Freedom Link Radio-- Investigating the Sandy Hook Narrative and Asking the Hard Questions

-Opens w/quote from CT Gov. Malloy saying something like "we were spoken to and told to prepare for something like this happening in our state

-Mike Powers says inconsistencies don't start w/Sandy Hook, but go back to Columbine, Sikh Temple, Giffords/Loughner, etc.

-Says post 911 most communities have had upgrades in local/community security procedures, including "mass casualty incident protection drills," where they practice mobilizing all of their law enforcement, emergency medical, fire, etc. These people practice these things in great detail and have gone to such lengths as to hire "crisis actors" to add the "human dynamic" that often gets missed in ordinary drills. 

-Why was Chris Rodia's car at the school and why is the media continuing to pass it off as Nancy Lanza's?  And how did Adam Lanza get to the scene of the crime??

10 min- Mike talks about the problems w/the bullet holes in Rousseau's car. He also says there's a problem w/the trajectory. Says something about Rousseau being the only teacher not given a key to lock her door (you would think that if this was true, then there wouldn't there be lawsuits or something? why aren't the parents of the kids who were allegedly murdered suing the school for not giving her a key to lock the door?) Why did the police/media lie by saying the bullets were fired from inside the school? He says "trajectory alone eliminates this from being truth."

23 min- Mike also has major problems w/how  they could have established probable cause to get a search warrant for Nancy's home, especially since Ryan was the suspect for most of the day and his address is in NJ.  (Also there are major problems w/the timeline of them announcing Nancy Lanza as being dead. That info came out pretty early and we were told she was dead at the school where she was a teacher. But, as we now know, she was found dead at her home, so how did they know that she was dead so early? Like Mike was saying, it seems like they only would have been able to establish probable cause for a search warrant after they figured out that the ID of the supposed shooter was Adam , with his address being in Newtown  CT. And that info was not established until much later in the day. All of this seems to speak of foreknowledge IMO)

Mike also has a problem with them saying that within an hour of the 911 call being placed they were able to get SWAT teams on the scene and complete an "agonizing search of the building."  He says that this is simply not possible--you have to factor in travel time, prep time, and execution of the physical search and there's simply NO WAY that all of that could have been accomplished w/in an hour of the 911 call (unless everyone was already on the scene prior to the 911 call as part of a drill???) 

24/25 min- Mike says that by distinction of their uniforms, he counted 5 different SWAT assets, which suggests to him that this was a DISTRICT WIDE DISASTER AND EMERGENCY SERVICES MASS CASUALTY INCIDENT PRACTICE.  He adds that this is still speculation, but this is what it looks like to him.

37 min- talks about the problem of the police at Sandy Hook putting the shooting suspect in the front seat of the car. This is simply NOT done and he explains all the reasons why. He says if this was a real situation you would not get all of these critical mistakes. None of these make sense. 

39 min-Mike says he's NOT convinced that anything happened at Sandy Hook, he's not convinced that there are any victims. He said it seems like an exercise. He has NOT seen anything to make him believe that this incident actually happened.  He says IT SEEMS LIKE A DRILL SCENARIO!!

At some point he also asked questions about why those emergency vehicles were parked so closely together. In his opinion, they did this to "get the drama photo as the helicopter flew over, to get them all into the frame of the photo." (so, again, he seems to think this whole thing is STAGED)


Okay, here are the 30 questions that he went over in this audio. Apparently he developed these questions w/about 20 other individuals have a background in law enforcement/weapons/military similar to his own:

The 30 questions:
1. What was Christopher A. Rodia's car doing at the scene?
2. Why was it reported as Nancy Lanza's car to begin with?
3. Why was a weapon in the trunk?
4. Why did the media and cops LIE and say that Adam had that car?
5. Why was the Canadian sub teacher's car the ONLY one in the parking lot that was shot up?
6. Why did media and the cops LIE and say that Nancy was a teacher at SHE when she NEVER WAS?
7. What happened to all of the other people arrested?
8. What happened to the reddish purple van with the windows shot out?
9. Were the parents allowed to see the bodies?
10. How come we've not seen so much as ONE crime scene photo when the media loves NOTHING more than to constantly show us evil's face?
11. Why do they keep claiming that the AR was in the school when SEVERAL cops reported ALL MORNING that it was FOUND in the BACK SEAT of the car?
12. How many guns DID little Adam manage to carry around with him? With all that weight, how was he able to remain mobile and dynamic?
13. Why do Peter and Nancy Lanza only show Ryan on Spokeo as a son?
14. Why or how was Adam in possession of Ryan's ID when they'd not seen one another since 2010?
15. How was Probable Cause established to search the mom's home when RYAN was the primary suspect all day? The WARRANT was searched on Nancy's home less than 1.5 hours after the first police dispatch?
16. Why did the media report Peter Lanza as having been found dead in NYC? ALL....DAY....LONG?
17. What is Rodia's connection to all of this? Or his 19yr old niece?
18. How DID Adam GET to the school? And WHY? What made him select SHE as his target?
19. Is it not odd that the sub teacher's body was also not allowed to be seen, and HER car was the ONLY one shot up?
20. Why was HER classroom the one with all the victims?
21. What was up with Robbie "Daytime Emmy" Peters and his performance?
22. What was up with Dr, CARVER, and HIS performance?
23. He's seen THOUSANDS of people shot? WHERE?
24. What did HE mean by "you can control a situation with the right photographer"?
25. Why does the name J Paul Vance show up as both a CT State Police Lt AND the Commissioner to which the 100M lawsuit was filed to? Would that not constitute a conflict of interest?
26. Why is now the MOTHER of one of the pic's VICTIMS coming out saying that her daughter is ALIVE AND WELL?
27. What was with the Gene Rossen dude and HIS performance? Stating he was a "psychologist"? Not with only 2yrs of college there, Pet Boy. (He runs a pet love business)
28. Why were all of the fire trucks BLOCKED IN and BACKED UP to the school?
29. Who IS Roy Low, and how is he SO informed as to appear in three interviews?
30. Why WOULD cops place a SUSPECT - in cuffs - in the FRONT SEAT of a police car during an ACTIVE SHOOTER event that is NOT yet over?

[Amanda]

Looks like they are going after Professor Tracy:


Professor James Tracy says he's facing university probe over Newtown conspiracy

http://wemustknow.wordpress.com/2013/01 ... onspiracy/

January 17, 2013

 
A tenured professor who controversially claimed the mass shooting in Newtown, Connecticut never happened is worried that he may now lose his job.
 
Florida Atlantic University professor James Tracy told the university's student newspaper that the university plans to have a meeting with him later this week regarding his conspiracy theory, which he published online.

"They're getting people calling them saying that this person shouldn't be teaching, he's an awful person and what have you, so I think that they have to do something," Tracy told University Press.
 
"I don't know what there's going to be. I don't know if that would involve stripping me of my tenure and dismissing me, or what. That's something that's ultimately for them to decide."
 
Last month, Tracy claimed the tragic shooting of 20 young schoolchildren in Newtown could be part of a conspiracy to push for gun control. He went so far to question whether the shooting even actually happened, or was just an invention of Obama and the media.
 
His conspiracy theory gained national attention after numerous media outlets, including CNN's Anderson Cooper, reported on it.
 
On Wednesday, Tracy raised questions about the recent shooting at Taft Union High School in California, suggesting it could have been orchestrated by the government.
 Raw Story (http://s.tt/1yyBd)

[Amanda]

Okay, this interview of Pozner on the Ed Schultz show is a bit nauseating, but the info at the end is kind of interesting. The guy making this video says that Noah is never in family photos w/the Pozners, apparently the Pozner father took off for Florida, the Pozners run all these corporations but are interested in getting donations (to plant trees in Israel!!), and the mother has some meetup photos w/other family members, but no Noah.

Veronique Pozner FULLY EXPOSED- Noah Pozner Gun Control SCAM Sandy Hook Newtown School Shooting

Be sure to check out the comments. One commenter noted that lots of the photos of the Sandy Hook kids look like professional photos for modeling or acting portfolios (I was kind of thinking the same thing)

[Amanda]

Well, if anyone interested in getting to the truth about Sandy Hook is on facebook, then they might want to get in touch w/this guy, Jason Vega  
(https://www.facebook.com/jason.vega.545), who posted some comments over on a recent veterans today article (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/01/18 ... da-civics/) and claims to be from Sandy Hook.  Obviously, there's no way of proving right now that he's from Sandy Hook, so people are just going to have to judge for themselves.

Here are a couple of his comments:

"Guys I live in sandy hook. I just want to say thank you for what your doing here" and "I cant believe how many of my friends are just asleep to the glaring holes in this narrative. its a friggin shame. to the guy who wanted to know if those were CT plates on cryin genes car the answer is yes."

"ive got my eyes on everything i can find. im not a ballistics expert but if this car and the other green car are riddled with bullets doesnt that suggest there was a firefight in the parking lot? who was doing the shooting? were some agents kill teams and others "just" agents who went buck wild when the s went down and tried to stop it? Was it lanza in a fit of nerd rage? was it a teacher who shot back? I know im speculating. one of my friends told me he was in his backyard about a half mile from there and was out the night before and a military helicopter flew over and flashed him with a searchlight. i cant prove it but it is what he said take it or leave it. now thats spooky. imho people around here are starting to wake up and know about libor and the actors BUT there are people who just dont want to hear it and want to shoot the messenger if you distrub the trance they are in. i dont want to make this about me but its no fun seeing my friends bow up on me for asking them to look deeper into this."

[Moe Foe]

I was listening to the Piper/Glenn/Fetzer show and I've got to say I agree with them,  I don't say much but I read the forum often and I'd just preface this by saying that Frank and Amanda you have been like a breath of fresh air with your contributions to the forum and excellent research and C.Marlowe you are probably the member here that I'd respect most, extremely principled, intelligent and humourous.  However, I think you have been barking up the wrong tree with regards to Sandy Hook being a hoax.  I certainly don't rule out foul play or government involvement but I think we are all getting manipulated and ushered into the direction of it being a hoax so as to discredit investigations into future terrorism carried out by the state.

Black Propaganda

What better way to discredit and eliminate"conspiracies theorists" than to give them enough rope to hang themselves? What better way is there to drive a permanent wedge between groups 2 and 3 above than allowing them to hoist themselves by their own petard? What better time to do this than in the emotionally charged aftermath of a national tragedy when the world is in mourning? What better way to do this than manipulating them into accusing the grieving parents of "acting" on spurious grounds? This can surely only lead to derision and ostracisation and the reinforcement of the negative "conspiracy theorist" narrative.

The application of this manipulation would be relatively straightforward and without risk. You bide your time until an "inevitable" heinous crime is committed, a crime that you have had absolutely no involvement in and so horrific that it results in a state of collective grief and an outpouring of sympathy for the victims. When this opportunity arises you control the release of information, such as not releasing the crime scene photos or allowing the parents of the children to see their murdered children or otherwise misleading information that will direct those who seek to false and ideally offensive conclusions. This will send the "conspiracy" community (from groups 1 and 2) who take the bait into overdrive and those mildly sceptical due to the inconsistencies in the official narrative (group 3) to the blogs and sites of groups 1 and 2.

With this in place you release disinformation in drips and drabs for "conspiracy theorists" to get excited about. Disinformation that ultimately discredits the researcher and by association their other research. Essential to this would be the government shills who would be already in place posing as "conspiracy theorists" pushing with all their might their black propaganda. These are the people who frame the debate and from whom the most absurd and offensive memes develop amongst the "conspiracy" community.

Once out there it develops a life of it's own and a chain-reaction begins and honest people begin to spread the disinformation and the meme is firmly in place as representing the "conspiracy" or alternative viewpoint.

The next phase is something that has already come to pass - the demonisation of "conspiracy theorists" in the MSM which focused on the most vile and off-putting "conspiracy theories" and invite a boorish idiot onto Prime Time talkshows to disgrace himself and those that are perceived to be associated with him and his ideas. The part is perceived to represent the whole and this by design extends itself in the minds of the audience to other alternative theories such as 9/11 and JFK.

I would predict the endgame to be the release (or leak) of irrefutable evidence which confirms that the attack took place such as crime scene photographs along with calls to shutdown alternative blogs and sites.
http://theflowerthrowers.wordpress.com/ ... hoax-trap/

[Krag]

We are just dealing with incompetent law enforcement as well as media with many questions remaining unanswered.  Even the victim families are calling out for clarity regarding the alleged shooter's history as the Newstimes has reported.  

How long would it take for a competent FBI head to get salient details of Lanza's internet and other records and then connect the dots?  Why haven't they released pictures of the crime scenes or provable information?  Are they evil or stupid?

[FrankDialogue]

Banality of Evil, Government and Citizens Sprung from Pods




I will try to explain what I feel is happening here from my POV, in the sociological sense.

I earlier posted that what we have here is a form of spiritual warfare, a confrontation with what Christians might call 'The Beast'...But 'The Beast' is nor some big devil slinking up and being a bogeyman or some 'superman of evil'...The Beast is simply 'the system' and all of it's components...Some would also refer to it as 'the matrix', movie and video fans.

What is occurring is the 'banality' and normalization of evil, deceit, and the relinquishing of personal responsibility through fear, coercion & peer pressure, dressed up with 'green ribbons'.

We have a system of control and fear put in place with the 911 event...We now have a large security apparatus in the DHS, and this apparatus has mucho money at it's disposal...One of the things they do with this money is give it to local law enforcement and government officials in return for participating in certain DHS exercises and drills...These drills are designed to be realistic, like movie sets, with various actors, props and written scripts, and you also have directors...The people at the very top of this DHS are the producers, the ones dealing out the money, and their goal is control through conspiracy, through fear.

Now what appears to have happened in Newtown CT is a drill that was tweaked in this and that way, and, in cooperation with mass media, was sold to the public as an actual event.

The town of Newtown CT appears to be a perfect place for such a production: a blank slate, a community of transients and yuppies who don't know each other, and whose mentality is almost totally shaped by the hypnosis of the 'authorities' and the media, who don't think that such things 'can happen in a place like this'.

I have yet to see what I would consider one real person with real emotions in all of the media coverage of this production: Seeing and hearing these people, it's like they were hatched from pods...It is shocking and frightening in implication.

The 'authorities' who have spoken include a police lieutenant who is a well paid PR man, admittedly; the coroner who is a $300000 a year government employee with nobody else speaking about the case.

No one has seen the bodies, no one has seen the alleged gunman, now 'suicided', nor his mother, supposedly murdered by her son.

There is no evidence, whether physical, video, photographic or otherwise substantiating that a crime occurred...None...At least on September 11, we know SOMETHING happened.

In closing, we all know 911 and many government operations are based on lies...So why is this any different?...Because children were supposedly killed?...It simply was a 'different script' for this one...In any case, why would a government such as ours, which has murdered countless thousands of Muslim children in Asia, hesitate in staging a 'virtual massacre'?

Anyone out there who doesn't believe that governments, bureaucrats and their employees will do such things doesn't know history.

If you find it inconceivable that the 'authorities' would do such a thing, then explain to me why 'Adam Lanza' would shoot his mother in the head, kill 20 children and then kill himself...Just use the known FACTS/EVIDENCE as a basis for your explanation.



Frank Dialogue is a writer, composer & conspiracy illuminator...

[Ognir]

Let me ask again,  what's the story with the injured?

There must have been some

[Ognir]

Mainstream, try as you wish, but we caught you at it again and of course, who do they ask? Alex Fat Bastard Jones team member

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/18/why_we_ ... _truthers/

We've been writing a lot about the conspiracy theories surrounding the Sandy Hook school shooting — some say too much. "Why you're giving these Sandy Hook truther media whores the time of day. Ignore them and they go away [sic]," one reader emailed.

Unfortunately, that's probably not the case. The genie is already out of the bottle and this myth will likely only heat up as the debate over gun control does. "It's by far the hottest topic of the moment," David Mikkelson, the co-founder of the myth-debunking website Snopes.com told BuzzFeed. As the site's Ben Smith and CJ Lotz wrote today, "Some of the factors that can bring theories in from the fringe appear to be driving its unexpected surge this month: A connection to America's intensely polarized political culture in general, and a message that appeals to a longstanding fear among gun owners, in particular."

"This has gone super viral. It even surprised me how crazy insane the interest in this stuff is," Paul Joseph Watson, a guest host for conspiracy theorist Alex Jones' radio show, said today.

And thanks to the Internet, the media can no longer suffocate a smoldering conspiracy theory by ignoring it. "The biggest problem for theorists was always getting their message out," Robert Goldberg, a University of Utah historian who studies conspiracy theories, told Salon. "The Internet has completely changed that. Often, they don't even bother trying to get their theories in the mainstream media anymore." So even if the the few media outlets that have covered the theories give them a bit more exposure, it's unlikely conspiracists would have a problem reaching their audience on their own anyway.

Indeed, they've already been tremendously successful. The numbers alone are staggering.

The most popular video on YouTube, "The Sandy Hook Shooting – Fully Exposed," produced by ThinkOutsideTheTV, already has nearly 11 million views. There are at least 40 other Sandy Hook conspiracy theory videos on YouTube with over 100,000 views. Alex Jones' conspiracy websites, which get 11 million visitors a month, are publishing new stories about the Newtown massacre every day.

Mentions of "Sandy Hook hoax" have exploded on Twitter in the past week. This graph shows the spike in Google searches for "Sandy Hook hoax," which mostly come from conservative states like Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Oklahoma and Kentucky:

Then there's the increasing flirtation with the hoax theory among presumably credible people. On top of Florida Atlantic University professor James Tracy, and popular Ohio TV anchor Ben Swann, there's Denard Span, a centerfielder for the Washington Nationals. He tweeted this week, "I was watching some controversial stuff on YouTube about the sandy hooks thing today! It really makes u think and wonder." (He later apologized and walked back his comments.)

One reason for the explosive growth of the movement is that it builds on existing conspiracy theories, especially classic "black helicopters" anti-government paranoia and theories surrounding 9/11. Not only do Sandy Hook truthers share an epistemological foundation with existing theorists, but the believers are often the very same people. On online message boards dedicated to swapping conspiracy theories, many of the commentators who argue that Sandy Hook was a "false flag" operation actually see it as merely the latest in a long line of other government operations aimed at disarming Americans, such as the shooting in Aurora, Colo., and the Oklahoma City bombing.

Meanwhile, 9/11 truthers were quick to jump on the Sandy Hook bandwagon. One popular YouTube video purportedly offering "absolute proof" that the shooting was a hoax (338,000 views and counting) was produced by Operation Terror, a group that produced a series of 9/11 truther videos. Let's Roll, an Internet forum created for discussing 9/11 theories, is rife with Sandy Hook threads.

Even birthers have gotten in on the mix. Orly Taitz, the dentist/attorney/real estate agent who helped push questions about Barack Obama's birth certificate into the mainstream, has written a series of blog posts about how police are "lying" about Sandy Hook. Gary Wilmott, a paralegal from Los Angeles who has run a number of birther websites, has also "confirmed" that Sandy Hook was a "scam."

And a number of readers have written in with their own stories. "My sister is a pretty smart person. She's in med school, went to [a good Northeast liberal arts college], is reliably liberal ... and yesterday she texts me asking if i had heard about these conspiracies and whether they're true," one said. A woman from Orange County, Calif., told us how a fellow mother on her children's swim team told her that Peter and Nancy Lanza worked for the CIA and trained Adam to be a suicide gunman because President Obama wanted them to. "This was a typical suburban mom ... I was thunderstruck," she said. Another wrote in about his stepfather, who "believe that Sandy Hook was some sort of operation." "My step-dad is usually fairly logical, once shown proof he is able to change his mind, hence trying to weed out all these 'alternative' theories," he added.

Of course, it's impossible to get any kind of real handle on how many people out there actually believe this stuff, but studies show that belief in conspiracy theories is far more common than most people probably assume. For instance, we reported yesterday on a new survey showing that over 60 percent of Americans believe one conspiracy theory or another.

The true believers will probably never come around — confirmation bias will make them deaf to any conflicting evidence — but experts say the way to fight conspiracy theories is to prevent them from spreading. The only way we can do that is by first acknowledging that we have a problem.

[Christopher Marlowe]

Let me ask again,  what's the story with the injured?

There must have been some

There was supposedly two teachers and an some students who were wounded and taken to the hospital.
https://twitter.com/BreakingNews/status ... 4192944129
There was a story about a student who pretended to be dead, and survived. But now I don't know what happened to her. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/1 ... 15947.html

Two students were supposedly pronounced dead at the hospital:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/1 ... 04756.html

The lead teacher, Natalie Hammond, was supposedly shot.
http://www.newstimes.com/local/article/ ... 125396.php
since then, I haven't heard anything about her.

And another teacher was supposedly shot, but I don't know what her name is. http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12 ... vived?lite

[FrankDialogue]

Let me ask again,  what's the story with the injured?

There must have been some

Only one survivor was named: Natalie Hammond, supposedly a teacher at the school who was shot in the foot, and possibly the arm.

There are no interviews or any information about her, except that she was mentioned in a few media accounts...No information about what hospital treated her, zilch...No pictures either.

The 'other survivor' has never been identified.

Good luck.  :shock:

Let me mention something else: While gun control has been floated as a reason for this Newtown event, my gut feeling is that the reason d' etre here is simply psychological warfare:
Guns are big business in the USA, and there will be no ban...In any case, control the mind, then you have better control of the gun.

[Ognir]

Also covered up nicely for the TV channels on the run in to Christmas.

So what did we really miss, what was that left hand doing?

[FrankDialogue]

I was listening to the Piper/Glenn/Fetzer show and I've got to say I agree with them,  I don't say much but I read the forum often and I'd just preface this by saying that Frank and Amanda you have been like a breath of fresh air with your contributions to the forum and excellent research and C.Marlowe you are probably the member here that I'd respect most, extremely principled, intelligent and humourous.  However, I think you have been barking up the wrong tree with regards to Sandy Hook being a hoax.  I certainly don't rule out foul play or government involvement but I think we are all getting manipulated and ushered into the direction of it being a hoax so as to discredit investigations into future terrorism carried out by the state.

Black Propaganda

What better way to discredit and eliminate"conspiracies theorists" than to give them enough rope to hang themselves? What better way is there to drive a permanent wedge between groups 2 and 3 above than allowing them to hoist themselves by their own petard? What better time to do this than in the emotionally charged aftermath of a national tragedy when the world is in mourning? What better way to do this than manipulating them into accusing the grieving parents of "acting" on spurious grounds? This can surely only lead to derision and ostracization and the reinforcement of the negative "conspiracy theorist" narrative.

Thank you for the kind words...Amanda has done a 'yoewomans' job on this, and I try to ask basic questions, and give a little insight on psychology...In fact, 95% of the posts have been relevant and insightful...Thank the moderators, too.

On the 'Black Propaganda' point, it is certainly in play here, but if you stick to trying to get to the truth, it doesn't matter, as those seeking the truth have no part in any scheming 'narrative'.

[Amanda]

Okay, here are some more notes on the MIkePowers/Joyce Riley audio:

Joyce Riley Interviews Mike Powers 1-16-13 TPH Sandy Hook Special Investigation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK8tLX6VQp4

- Powers talks about how in his opinion it was impossible for Adam Lanza to have performed the military/shooting operation ascribed to him.  He bases this on Adam's physical stature, lack of training/expertise in weapons, weight of the gear he was carrying, etc.

FYI- early in this audio "Sandy Hook: Cop in CT on Contradictions, Inconsistencies & Gun Grab - Part TWO" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYBDsGLNfNw  the CT cop says the same thing about this being an impossible task for someone of Adam's build and lack of experience w/shooting


- Powers said that based on the info in the official story (about the type of guns used, number of rounds, etc) this would have been a 165 decibel impact on the human nervous system in an enclosed space and that it is simply NOT POSSIBLE that Adam (or anyone?) would have been able to do this.  Powers consulted two audiologists and both indicated that the damage to hearing and the impact on the cochlear tubes of the inner ear would have been "devasating."  Anyone is such a situation would have lost balance and become disoriented.  (So, I'm kind of wondering whether this is the reason we later heard that Adam was wearing earplugs...Was this some kind of rewriting of the script to make the narrative more plausible? Kind of reminds me of the rewriting of the script around the bullet proof vest. We heard about the bullet proof vest for at least a week and then it changed to fishing/utility vest-- are we supposed to believe a bunch of cops and SWAT people can't tell the difference between a bullet proof vest and a fishing vest?? I can't help but wonder if they had to make that change b/c they realized that CT law forbids sale of bullet proof vests to non-military or police http://www.bulletproofme.com/Quick_Answers.shtml )

Also, for what it's worth, I just found this comment posted in response to the Joyce Riley/Powers audio (seems like another person w/expertise in this area agrees w/his assessment):

I too have been trained in Mass Casualty Incident Command and Disaster Management with 15 yrs. experience. Mike Powers is 110% on point with his assessment at Sandy Hook.  Having worked in one of the busiest EMS services in America, you can spot things most will miss and Mike didn't miss one shred regarding this debacle. Kudos to you and Mike on a great interview, THANKS!

[Amanda]

Latest from Professor Tracy on the term "Conspiracy Theory":

CIA Document 1035-960: Foundation of a Weaponized Term

http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/01/20/ci ... ized-term/


"Conspiracy theory" is a term that at once strikes fear and anxiety in the hearts of most every public figure, particularly journalists and academics. Since the 1960s the label has become a disciplinary device that has been overwhelmingly effective in defining certain events off limits to inquiry or debate. Especially in the United States raising legitimate questions about dubious official narratives destined to inform public opinion (and thereby public policy) is a major thought crime that must be cauterized from the public psyche at all costs.

Conspiracy theory's acutely negative connotations may be traced to liberal historian Richard Hofstadter's well-known fusillades against the "New Right." Yet it was the Central Intelligence Agency that likely played the greatest role in effectively "weaponizing" the term. In the groundswell of public skepticism toward the Warren Commission's findings on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, the CIA sent a detailed directive to all of its bureaus. Titled "Countering Criticism of the Warren Commission Report," the dispatch played a definitive role in making the "conspiracy theory" term a weapon to be wielded against almost any individual or group calling the government's increasingly clandestine programs and activities into question.
 
This important memorandum and its broad implications for American politics and public discourse are detailed in a forthcoming book by Florida State University political scientist Lance de-Haven-Smith, Conspiracy Theory in America. Dr. de-Haven-Smith devised the state crimes against democracy concept to interpret and explain potential government complicity in events such as the Gulf of Tonkin incident, the major political assassinations of the 1960s, and 9/11....
http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/01/20/ci ... ized-term/

[LordLindsey]

[youtube:2vy6m5ix]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKSUs569Y-k[/youtube]2vy6m5ix]

"Published on Jan 2, 2013

Joe Joseph, Tim Watts, and John King welcome Mike Powers to the broadcast to discuss the various holes in the Sandy Hook shooting narrative and ask relevant questions that our Press should be asking. These are perilous times and this incident is clearly being used to usurp the 2nd amendment and our God given natural rights!

http://www.thefreedomlink.net
http://www.oriontalkradio.com

The 30 questions:
1. What was Christopher A. Rodia's car doing at the scene?

2. Why was it reported as Nancy Lanza's car to begin with?

3. Why was a weapon in the trunk?

4. Why did the media and cops LIE and say that Adam had that car?

5. Why was the Canadian sub teacher's car the ONLY one in the parking lot that was shot up?

6. Why did media and the cops LIE and say that Nancy was a teacher at SHE when she NEVER WAS?

7. What happened to all of the other people arrested?

8. What happened to the reddish purple van with the windows shot out?

9. Were the parents allowed to see the bodies?

10. How come we've not seen so much as ONE crime scene photo when the media loves NOTHING more than to constantly show us evil's face?

11. Why do they keep claiming that the AR was in the school when SEVERAL cops reported ALL MORNING that it was FOUND in the BACK SEAT of the car?

12. How many guns DID little Adam manage to carry around with him? With all that weight, how was he able to remain mobile and dynamic?

13. Why do Peter and Nancy Lanza only show Ryan on Spokeo as a son?

14. Why or how was Adam in possession of Ryan's ID when they'd not seen one another since 2010?

15. How was Probable Cause established to search the mom's home when RYAN was the primary suspect all day? The WARRANT was searched on Nancy's home less than 1.5 hours after the first police dispatch?

16. Why did the media report Peter Lanza as having been found dead in NYC? ALL....DAY....LONG?

17. What is Rodia's connection to all of this? Or his 19yr old niece?

18. How DID Adam GET to the school? And WHY? What made him select SHE as his target?

19. Is it not odd that the sub teacher's body was also not allowed to be seen, and HER car was the ONLY one shot up?

20. Why was HER classroom the one with all the victims?

 21. What was up with Robbie "Daytime Emmy" Peters and his performance?

22. What was up with Dr, CARVER, and HIS performance?

23. He's seen THOUSANDS of people shot? WHERE?

24. What did HE mean by "you can control a situation with the right photographer"?

25. Why does the name J Paul Vance show up as both a CT State Police Lt AND the Commissioner to which the 100M lawsuit was filed to? Would that not constitute a conflict of interest?

26. Why is now the MOTHER of one of the pic's VICTIMS coming out saying that her daughter is ALIVE AND WELL?

27. What was with the Gene Rossen dude and HIS performance? Stating he was a "psychologist"? Not with only 2yrs of college there, Pet Boy. (He runs a pet love business)

28. Why were all of the fire trucks BLOCKED IN and BACKED UP to the school?

29. Who IS Roy Low, and how is he SO informed as to appear in three interviews?

30. Why WOULD cops place a SUSPECT - in cuffs - in the FRONT SEAT of a police car during an ACTIVE SHOOTER event that is NOT yet over?"

Lindsey

[Amanda]

LIndsey- FYI- I posted notes on that audio w/Mike Powers and Freedom Link radio back on comment #398. I HIGHLY recommend that audio--I listened twice!! Definitely worth it!


Also, I was just thinking about how Mike Powers w/Joyce Riley asked why we didn't get any 911 calls from any of the neighbors around the school.  He seemed to think that someone should have called b/c there were supposedly shots fired outside (we have bullet holes in Rousseau's car, plus we were told the shooter shot his way into the school). So does the same question sort of apply to the situation at the Lanza residence?? I honestly know NOTHING about guns, but should someone in the neighborhood have heard the four shots??


Ognir- on the injured, back in comment #365 I posted some info and videos of a supposedly injured person being taken on a gurney to the ambulance parked at the firestation. Again, the ambulances were parked at the firestation 1/2 mile away, and these emergency workers walked the gurney 1/2 mile to the school to get the alleged victim and 1/2 mile back to the ambulance.  Also, note the comments w/the videos--people w/emergency svcs. background notice that nobody is working on the patient, no IV has been set up...at minimum, it seems reasonable then to assume that the person is not that seriously injured, so why haven't we heard from him/her?

[Amanda]

Okay, I don't know how to bring the charts w/all the radio changes over here, so you just have to go the site and check it out.

33 Changes To The Connecticut Statewide Emergency Radio Network Hours Before the Newtown Shooting?

http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/3 ... ing/31981/

The Newtown truth tug of war is getting stranger with each day. Below you will see some screenshots from radioreference.com of information on the Connecticut Statewide Emergency Radio Network (CSERN). There is a list of changes made beginning approximately 5 hours before the shooting at Sandy Hook. The system is briefly explained from the same site.

[Amanda]

Just found this in the comments section over at Professor Tracy's:  http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/01/06/sa ... /#comments

In regards to the interview video of the little boy who saw a 2nd shooter, Notice the man in a bright yellow "flagging" vest working behind him throughout the entire interview. The man is doing something with the rocks and at one point looks up and notices the camera and immediately turns his back to the camera. His vest has Company initials L.R.M. I looked up L.R.M in Newton CT and it is a landscaping company in the Newton/Sandy Hook area. My question is – if, in fact, there was a major disaster that happened moments before, how could anyone continue to work as if nothing out of the ordinary was going on? Please check out the video and let me know your thoughts. Thanks

Sandy Hook Elem Witness Saw 2nd Shooter in Handcuffs
[youtube:65nnym8d]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUKlcvDgq4Q[/youtube]65nnym8d]

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Keep in mind....

-----------

All affidavits supporting the applications for numerous search warrants were sealed by court order for a minimum of 90 days after applications, so it will be mid-March at the earliest before lists of evidence may become public knowledge. As was the case with the Columbine situation, photographic evidence released to the public will be sparse.

All else is just endless speculation. Let's not feed that here, please.

http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/off ... dence.html

[FrankDialogue]

Keep in mind....

-----------

All affidavits supporting the applications for numerous search warrants were sealed by court order for a minimum of 90 days after applications, so it will be mid-March at the earliest before lists of evidence may become public knowledge. As was the case with the Columbine situation, photographic evidence released to the public will be sparse.

All else is just endless speculation. Let's not feed that here, please.

http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/off ... dence.html

OK, CSR...What should we talk about instead?

I understand about speculation, but many threads here are on different topics, but this one is on the Sandy Hook incident...So, we discuss Sandy Hook.  

Just found this in the comments section over at Professor Tracy's:  http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/01/06/sa ... /#comments

In regards to the interview video of the little boy who saw a 2nd shooter, Notice the man in a bright yellow "flagging" vest working behind him throughout the entire interview. The man is doing something with the rocks and at one point looks up and notices the camera and immediately turns his back to the camera. His vest has Company initials L.R.M. I looked up L.R.M in Newton CT and it is a landscaping company in the Newton/Sandy Hook area. My question is – if, in fact, there was a major disaster that happened moments before, how could anyone continue to work as if nothing out of the ordinary was going on? Please check out the video and let me know your thoughts. Thanks

Sandy Hook Elem Witness Saw 2nd Shooter in Handcuffs
[youtube:390qij0r]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUKlcvDgq4Q[/youtube]390qij0r]

Very good question.

BTW, this child didn't see a second shooter, although if there indeed was a shooting, the identity of other persons of interest are important....He see a guy handcuffed on the floor of the firehouse, which would just be part of the drill.

Also, the '30 questions' posted raise some important issues.

[Amanda]

Looks like the woman who runs http://sherriequestioningall.blogspot.com/ has set up a blog for that just for Sandy Hook research:  http://sandyhookresearch.blogspot.com/
(I actually first learned of her blog b/c RIvero used to link to some of her posts, but looks like he's not linking to her on Sandy Hook b/c he believes in the lone gunman narrative;)

From her site:

Sandy Hook Shooting Research

This is All the Various Sandy Hook Research/Information/Videos of Facts and Truth. This shows the Sandy Hook Shooting Could not have happened as the government and media have portrayed it to happen. We NEED Truth! People in forums, on blogs and alternative news site have become the journalist investigators for Truth.

Okay, there's definitely some info at her site that's worth looking at and it looks like she's going to be updating it on an on-going basis.  There's some stuff we've already posted on here, but there's also some new info that I haven't seen before, like this:

Adam Lanza Death Certificate says Dec. 13th 2012 NOT 14th (day of shooting) Nancy Lanza's Obituary !!!!!!!

Okay, you have to go to her site, click on that headline, then sign into some geneologybank.com (free) and you get this info:

Adam P. Lanza: Social Security Death Index (SSDI) Death Record

Name:  Adam P. Lanza
State of Issue:  New Hampshire
Date of Birth:  Wednesday  April  22, 1992
Date of Death:  Thursday  December  13, 2012
Est. Age at Death:  20 years, 7 months, 21 days
Confirmation:  Proven  

Just as Mike Powers said in his interview.... Nancy Lanza's Obituary does not mention Adam Lanza at all.

NEWTOWN, Conn. - Nancy J. (Champion) Lanza, 52, a former resident of Kingston, N.H. died Dec. 14, 2012, in Connecticut.

Born in Salem, Mass., the daughter of Dorothy (Huse) (Champion) Hanson and the late Donald Champion, she was raised in Kingston, N.H., and graduated from Sanborn Regional High School with the class of 1978.

She attended the University of New Hampshire and worked in the New Accounts Division of John Hancock Mutual Life Insurance Company of Boston until 1992.

A resident of Newtown since 1998, Nancy was involved as a volunteer in local charity work, especially the local women's shelters. She had many lifelong friends locally and around the world, and enjoyed flower gardening, travel, the arts, and museums. An avid Red Sox fan who shared season's tickets, she also enjoyed listening to jazz music.

She is survived by a son, Ryan J. Lanza of Hoboken, N.J.; her mother, Dorothy (Huse) (Champion) Hanson of Barrington, N.H.; two brothers, James M. Champion of Kingston, N.H., and Donald R. Champion of Colorado; a sister and brother-in-law, Carol A. Gould of Maine; her former husband, Peter Lanza of Connecticut; her special nieces and nephews, and several aunts, uncles, cousins, and many friends.

And here's Nancy Lanza's death info:

Nancy Lanza: Social Security Death Index (SSDI) Death Record

Name: Nancy Lanza
State of Issue: New Hampshire
Date of Birth: Tuesday September 06, 1960
Date of Death: Friday December 14, 2012
Est. Age at Death: 52 years, 3 months, 8 days
Confirmation: Proven

Donations for Sandy Hook through United Way (page created 3 days before shooting) - Sen. Joe Lieberman part of one controlling 8.5 million raised

full story here:  http://www.wtnh.com/dpp/news/fairfield_ ... Pw8DR3AfHQ

NEWTOWN, Conn. (WTNH) -- Since the Newtown tragedy occurred last month, millions of dollars have been donated to help in the recovery effort. On Friday officials addressed the best uses for those funds.

Newtown 2nd Selectman Will Rogers, former U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman, and United Way of Western CT official Kim Morgan discussed dealing with the millions donated to the Sandy Hook School Support Fund in a press conference Friday.

Rogers said once a foundation is created the transition team will no longer exist. However, Lieberman, one of the current transition team members, will continue to work with the foundation.

One of the keys to the foundation will be guaranteed public input in the distribution process.

According to Rogers, "Lieberman has a wealth of experience, specifically we're looking for the experience he acquired in the dark days after 9-11." (!!!!!!!!)

When asked to help, Lieberman said he "not only felt honored, but felt a sense of duty."

Lieberman said the transition team wants to quickly turn the responsibilities to a "broad-base, community foundation, which will be transparent, all inclusive to members of the community."

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