A Question for "Scorpio" About Allegation of Ron Paul Being 33rd Degree Mason

[LordLindsey]

So, is it true or not that you, "Scorpio", witnessed with your own eyes in The Grand Lodge Hall a painting of Dr. Ron Paul, along with all of the other men commemorated for their "honor" of being 33rd-degree Freemasons?  I am forced to ask for a definitive clarification because from the research that I have put into getting-to-the-bottom of this issue, it was you who was the source of the allegation against Dr. Paul, and there is ZERO corroborating evidence to back-up this claim against him.

So...what is the whole story of your eye-witness account, where EXACTLY did it occur, when, and if not true, WHY DID YOU MAKE THE CLAIM?

Lindsey

[LordLindsey]

http://theinfounderground.com/smf/index.php?topic=9007.msg34340#msg34340

"I happen to know for a fact that Ron Paul is a 33rd degree mason.
Through a strange series of events, I took a tour of the Scottish Rite Supreme Council Building in Washington DC.
One of the rooms was the 33rd degree room. It was a room full of the pictures of famous 33rd degree masons.
Kramer from Seinfeld, Burl Ives, J. Edgar Hoover, and RON PAUL's photos were all displayed."

That was from "Scorpio", posted on January 1, 2010.  I need to know if he/you still stands-by that story, and if so, why it is that I, and EVERYONE ELSE WHO HAS RESEARCHED THIS ISSUE, is not able to verify that Dr. Ron Paul is a Freemason, PERIOD, let-alone a 33rd-degree Freemason.  In-fact, it was Dr. Paul, himself, who has denied being a Freemason, period, so I am very troubled by this allegation.

I know that this may seem like a trivial matter, but it is NOT to me, and I want to know, definitively, what the truth of this situation is, and if it is not true, then why it was said.  We can not call ourselves "the REAL truth-movement" if we propagate things that are not, so I, and really everyone else who cares about the TRUTH, needs to know what the absolute truth is on what "Scorpio" absolutely did say/allege, and can not just let this be ignored or forgotten. 

Lindsey

[yankeedoodle]

Yankee Doodle doesn't remember reading any posts by Scorpio, so he checked the TiU records, and, apparently, Scorpio was "Last Active:  January 24, 2013" on TiU.

[Idaho Kid]

Don't know if he's a Mason or not, but Dave Martin wrote this excellent piece on Paul's campaign which should be read:

Ron Paul's CPAC and Virginia Cop-outs: The Last Straw
http://www.dcdave.com/article5/120314.htm

[Christopher Marlowe]

http://theinfounderground.com/smf/index.php?topic=9007.msg34340#msg34340

"I happen to know for a fact that Ron Paul is a 33rd degree mason.
Through a strange series of events, I took a tour of the Scottish Rite Supreme Council Building in Washington DC.
One of the rooms was the 33rd degree room. It was a room full of the pictures of famous 33rd degree masons.
Kramer from Seinfeld, Burl Ives, J. Edgar Hoover, and RON PAUL's photos were all displayed."

That was from "Scorpio", posted on January 1, 2010.  I need to know if he/you still stands-by that story, and if so, why it is that I, and EVERYONE ELSE WHO HAS RESEARCHED THIS ISSUE, is not able to verify that Dr. Ron Paul is a Freemason, PERIOD, let-alone a 33rd-degree Freemason.  In-fact, it was Dr. Paul, himself, who has denied being a Freemason, period, so I am very troubled by this allegation.

I know that this may seem like a trivial matter, but it is NOT to me, and I want to know, definitively, what the truth of this situation is, and if it is not true, then why it was said. We can not call ourselves "the REAL truth-movement" if we propagate things that are not, so I, and really everyone else who cares about the TRUTH, needs to know what the absolute truth is on what "Scorpio" absolutely did say/allege, and can not just let this be ignored or forgotten. 

Lindsey

Lindsey, I appreciate the fact that you want to know THE TRUTH about this matter. It is important, and Ron Paul was supported by many in the Truth movement.

But looking at your post objectively, it sounds a little accusatory:

there is ZERO corroborating evidence to back-up this claim against him.

... and if not true, WHY DID YOU MAKE THE CLAIM?

I just typed the words "ron paul freemason" into a search engine and found several sites that offer some corroborating evidence. I don't have a picture of Ron Paul swearing a blood oath in the blood of a virgin, but it is certainly more than ZERO.

http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2012/01/09/ron-paul-and-freemasonry-ritual-and-the-scottish-rite/
This one starts off saying to

Look at his voting record, look at what he promised and at his actions!

ALL the others are pathetic liars, hypocrites and elite puppets of the worst kind.

Which is a very good RP argument.

The other argument would be that RP was a false hope, selected by TPTB, to organize the learned opposition, and then drown it in a bathtub. Like Alex Jewns. And as Ognir pointed out in the post you referenced above:

F**k Ron Paul and all his "The Arabs attacked us on 911"
Playing games as always with us

Israel did 911 Ron and you f*ckin know it, then why keep talking shite ya prick :lol:

Ah, the Irish are so colorful...

That first site references this one:
http://secretsun.blogspot.com/2012/01/ron-paul-race-ritual-and-scottish-rite.html

There is a screen-shot of the hand-written note by Ron Paul denying that he is now or that he has ever been a freemason. But the post says there is a difference between being a "mason" and a "freemason". 

And here's where we come to the classic non-denial denial. A "Free" Mason is a member of the Ancient, Free and Accepted Masonic Order. There are other Orders that do not define themselves as "Free." Several, actually.

And as longtime Secret Sun readers know, the Free-masons are the low men on a much bigger Masonic totem pole in which Masonic-inspired and Masonic-created fraternities and secret societies wield the true power. And here's where we hit paydirt...

Apparently, RP was in a masonic fraternity in college:

Paul is a proud member in good standing of Lambda Chi Alpha, yet another Masonically-created fraternity that is classified as a "secret" fraternity.

The founder of the frat, Dr John E Mason  recently died, and they held a masonic service:

https://www.lambdachi.org/blog/candc/history-honoring-our-spiritual-founder/

Funeral services were held on Wednesday, June 5, at the Oliver H. Bair funeral parlors in Philadelphia. Cremation and private burial were in Woodland Cemetery. Masonic services were conducted by Lodge 51, of which he was a past master, the preceding evening with his close friend and associate, past Grand High Alpha Fischer, in his station of senior warden.

Another interesting fact. It has been alleged that

Ron Paul's wife is Eastern Star and his daughters are Rainbow, an arrangement essentially unheard of for a man who is not in fact a Mason himself.

I have also read that Ron Paul's father was a freemason.  And that RP admits to having attended many open meetings.

I could go on with the proof that is not conclusive, but more than zero, but it all amounts to more of the same.

Researching this topic, I also saw evidence trying to show that RP was a mason because he was associated with the Jesuits. When I see that, my BS antennae pop up.  While the current state of the Jesuits is pathetic, and a complete betrayal to their former order, anyone who thinks the Jesuits are running things has sh*te for brains. 

Another similar attack was made on RP by associating him with white nationalists and dixiecrats. This is more retardation. I am greatly troubled by the state of affairs where anyone is allowed to have racial pride EXCEPT white people. Personally, I am white, but I don't really subscribe to race pride. I would marry a black girl and have black babies. I don't care.  But I don't attack black people for joining black orgs, or similarly, asian orgs or latino orgs, etc....   This whole situation is so Jewish and Marxist. There is a war on white people.

Finally, the one topic that these sites do not mention is the Jews. No one seems to care if the Jews are behind the Masons or the Freemasons, or the secret societies.  What I have learned is that the Jews are running the show, and everything else is incidental.  If the Jews hate RP, then I would vote for him. I consider that to be an endorsement. 

My conclusion is that RP might be involved in a secret society, with the stupid handshake crap and the finger signs. I consider RP to be a far sight better than 99% of whatever else we could vote for.  If RP is controlled opposition, then it just goes to show how dire things are. I agreed with most of what RP was saying. His campaign was totally mismanaged, and it was ignored by the media. RP denied 9/11 Truth, but he lets more truth out than most.  Was it all a show? Who can tell?

Scorpio is NOT a shill or a liar. You really shouldn't take an accusatory tone towards people who are on the same side as you.

[LordLindsey]

I called then-Representative Ron Paul's office and spoke to the aide/receptionist who answered the phone back in early-2010--a few months after this "news" from "Scorpio"--, and she said that she had received several people asking the same thing--if Dr. Paul was ever a Freemason--and she EXPLICITLY and DIRECTLY, with ZERO ambiguity, said that he has said that he was NEVER, EVER a Freemason, and that there is no truth to these "allegations"--her word.

Not only that, but there IS ZERO evidence that I have found from the internet; however, there is a TREMENDOUS number of people making this allegation, and the absolutely vast majority come after January, 2010.

It is absolutely incumbent upon "Scorpio" to come-out and openly address this very severe "discrepancy", and why he panicked and became angry at me after I revealed on-air with Michael Bernard Piper, what he had said/written about Dr. Paul, sometime in February or March, 2010, and used his moniker of "Scorpio from TheInfoUnderground".  I would think that a person who publicly said something like this would not mind-at-all being given-credit for his "eye-witness anecdote"...

If we do not hold the people within this "movement" to the highest standard, then we are no better than the cabal-controlled media we all abhor.  I want you to think very seriously about that before you say that this is "no big deal", because it is a HUGE "deal" if it is not true, and I do not believe that Dr. Ron Paul is/was a Freemason, and CERTAINLY DO NOT believe that he is/was a 33rd-degree Freemason.

Lindsey

NB:  There was ZERO ambiguity in "Scorpio's" statement/"eye-witness" anecdote, so either this is the truth and Dr. Paul is a liar, or it is not true, and Dr. Paul is not a Freemason--there is no other option, as there is no room-for-error.  As for you attempting to down-play, for WHATEVER reason, the seriousness of this situation and what was said, and trying to say that "Scorpio" may have meant MASON, instead of "Freemason", there is a huge problem with that...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_the_Temple

"The House of the Temple is a Masonic temple in Washington, D.C., United States that serves as the headquarters of the Scottish Rite of FREEMASONRY, Southern Jurisdiction, U.S.A. (officially, "Home of The Supreme Council, 33°, Ancient & Accepted Scottish Rite of FREEMASONRY, Southern Jurisdiction, Washington D.C., U.S.A.")"...

[yankeedoodle]

Just now seeing Scorpio and Lindsey on line at the same time makes Yankee Doodle ask if a referee is needed.   

[LordLindsey]

I have been waiting for "Scorpio" to respond, and settle this matter with real evidence and a real explanation of his claim against Dr. Ronald Paul, but I have seen nothing at all coming from him.  He originally said that "someone" had deleted his user-name and posts, and then must have realized that is simply an untrue statement, or an error, and then removed his comment from a chat-room.  He has been online at TheInfoUnderground for about 45 minutes, as of this writing, and there has been nothing posted by him explaining the very real discrepancies between what "Scorpio" has said, very directly, and what ANY kind of evidence provides, including my absolutely truthful anecdote of having called Dr. Ronald Paul's Congressional office in Washington, DC, asked the aide about this issue, and received a categorical response to my question--Dr. Paul is not only not a 33rd-degree Freemason, but he is NOT A MASON/FREEMASON, PERIOD.

This is not going to just "go-away", but absolutely deserves a full explanation, and if none is forthcoming, then it is what it is.

Lindsey

NB:  Until just a very short time ago, this guy had not been at TIU as a member--not having logged-in--for well-over one and one-half YEARS, just so that people are aware.

NBB:  "Scorpio" has logged-off for the third time since he logged-in for the first time in over one and one-half years, just now.  Let me tell you all something:  If I was being asked about something that I said, and I absolutely stood-by every word that I said, I would not hesitate for ONE MOMENT to respond.  That is just how "I" am, but it is also how a person who believes what he/she is saying should do, as well, or at least that is my very strong opinion.

[Christopher Marlowe]

Lindsey, who are you quoting when you say,

I want you to think very seriously about that before you say that this is "no big deal", because it is a HUGE "deal" if it is not true, and I do not believe that Dr. Ron Paul is/was a Freemason, and CERTAINLY DO NOT believe that he is/was a 33rd-degree Freemason.

You realize those are quotation marks, right?  Who said that, besides you when you quoted yourself?


Another note. You wrote:

NB:  There was ZERO ambiguity in "Scorpio's" statement/"eye-witness" anecdote, so either this is the truth and Dr. Paul is a liar, or it is not true, and Dr. Paul is not a Freemason--there is no other option, as there is no room-for-error

There's actually another option: that Scorpio's anecdote is true, but that the Freemason hall had it wrong. Or that Dr Paul is a Mason, but not a Freemason, and that the temple doesn't make a distinction whereas Dr Paul does.  Your wikipedia quote does not make this an impossibility. You haven't considered all the options, and there is always room for error.

As for you attempting to down-play, for WHATEVER reason, the seriousness of this situation and what was said, and trying to say that "Scorpio" may have meant MASON, instead of "Freemason", there is a huge problem with that...

Are you addressing me? I don't think I was down-playing this. I thought I was trying to argue both sides. Maybe you should go back and read my post again, more slowly and with a dictionary.  See at the beginning where I said, "It is important..."  I supported Ron Paul.  I registered Repug just to vote for him.  See the part where I said:

I consider RP to be a far sight better than 99% of whatever else we could vote for.  If RP is controlled opposition, then it just goes to show how dire things are. I agreed with most of what RP was saying. His campaign was totally mismanaged, and it was ignored by the media. RP denied 9/11 Truth, but he lets more truth out than most.  Was it all a show? Who can tell?

You need to dial back the drama dial just a wee bit.

Also I might point out that, regardless of whether Dr Paul is a Mason or a Freemason or neither, he really is irrelevant because it's all going to be about RAND Paul now. And RAND Paul is just another kiss-ass to the Jews.

[scorpio]

Lindsey - What the hell is wrong with you? The post in question is from 2009.
You spend your time combing through old posts from 5 years ago and then proceed to filing accusations around? Get a life, man.
I haven't even posted on this forum for years.  Aren't you the one always bemoaning  the "infighting within the truth movement"?? Now, here you are stirring the shit from 5 years ago? LOL

Ron Paul's wife has admitted being a member of The Order of the Eastern Star, a club whose membership is almost exclusively reserved for the wive's of Freemasons.  My post was about a personal experience I had back in the early 2000's. Either you believe me or you don't. I frankly don't give a shit. Furthermore, haven't gone around the internut trashing Ron Paul or yourself.

You called Ron Paul's offce and asked if he was a freemason. So what? What did you expect them to say? "Why, yes Ron is a longtime and loyal member of the order." - lol. Get real. Do you honestly think it's an accident that his son, Rand Paul is a rising star in the Republicrat party and that he is a staunch supporter of Israel? Ron Paul is irrelevant now anyway. He's retired.

Respond however to you want. I won't be interacting with you again. Your behavior is pathetic yet slightly humorous. 

[LordLindsey]

The TRUTH has no "expiration date".  The reason that this is important to me is because it is something that has bothered me since I was told that he was NOT a Freemason, and then spent quite a bit of time attempting to track-down the truth of the situation, only to find that there was absolutely no evidence that Dr. Ronald Paul was EVER any kind of Mason/Freemason, let alone a 33rd-degree Freemason.

The issue for me is that I am finding myself having more and more questions about things that I was told over the years within the REAL truth-movement, and some of these questions that I have are because I feel that I have been spreading some information that may not be factually-correct. 

What I want you to do, "Scorpio", is provide any kind of evidence--and if you really did see his portrait/photograph at The Temple, then there certainly should be SOME evidence of Dr. Paul EVER having been a Freemason--so that a rather large number of people have something TANGIBLE to present when talking to people about why Dr. Paul did the things that he did, that did not make-sense, especially during his campaigns.

The bottom-line is that people take what you say very seriously, and should be able to believe what is told to them, without having to worry about whether or not it is the truth as it is, or if there could be some question as to the veracity of what is presented; that, to me, is something that is not acceptable.  The TRUTH, no matter what that TRUTH is, is the absolutely most important thing to me, and is the primary reason why after all of the times that I have tried to walk-away from the REAL truth-movement, I have not been able to do it.  My life is all about finding the truths as they are, and eventually, the ULTIMATE truth of what has been done to our world, and, and but, to do that, I have to be secure that the information that I have been provided is the best information available, and is not full of "errors", or WORSE.

I have explained myself, now the-ball-is-in-your-court to explain why it is that there is absolutely nothing that "I", and many others, have found to substantiate your claim against Dr. Paul, which FRANKLY, is not that big-of-a-deal, in-reality.  If he really was a Freemason, or even a 33rd-degree Freemason, why would he have to lie and say that he is not, as there are very detailed records kept that would detail his progression through the degrees, and would show that he is not being truthful?  I hope that now you understand why this is such a big deal, and why this absolutely deserves a direct explanation as to why there is no evidence to corroborate what you claimed to have seen. 

Lindsey

[Christopher Marlowe]

[1]What I want you to do, "Scorpio", is provide any kind of evidence--and [2] if you really did see his portrait/photograph at The Temple, then there certainly should be SOME evidence of Dr. Paul EVER having been a Freemason--[3]so that a rather large number of people have something TANGIBLE to present when talking to people about why Dr. Paul did the things that he did, that did not make-sense, especially during his campaigns.

Lindsey, commas do not give you permission to make run-on sentences.  You have a lot of separate ideas that you shoe-horned together, and it is confusing to read. 

You originally wanted Scorp to affirm that he had seen a portrait of Ron Paul in the Freemasonic temple, attesting to the fact that RP was a 33rd degree mason. 

You found the Scorp quote and posted that.  Scorp has elegantly replied:

Either you believe me or you don't. I frankly don't give a shit.

That sounds like he is standing by his story.

Now you want Scorp to provide [1] "any kind of evidence".  You must realize that posting something on a blog about something you saw does NOT create some kind of warranty that permits random readers to compel the poster to provide more evidence.   

Skipping to point [3] you said: "so that a rather large number of people have something TANGIBLE to present when talking to people about why Dr. Paul did the things that he did, that did not make-sense..."
--> This does not make sense. If Dr Paul did something that does not make sense, then someone point this out doesn't need tangible proof. If something does not make sense, this would be SELF-EVIDENT, and therefore it would not be provable. 

I think you are referring to the post above, where the DCDave guy wrote about RP's boner move in the early stages of the 2012 election. RP handed away his strongest position, which was with the Conservative Caucus, and was a virtual no-show. This was a great help to Romnoid, and it certainly didn't make sense. 

But rather than acknowledging this as EVIDENCE that RP is not what he pretends to be, you instead are using this as an excuse to make a more forceful request for PROOF that RP is a freemason. 

Point [2] is a logical error: "if you really did see his portrait/photograph at The Temple, then there certainly should be SOME evidence of Dr. Paul EVER having been a Freemason".  Wrong. Aside from the the portrait itself, no there does not have to be any evidence. And what if the portrait was destroyed? The only thing Scorp said was that he saw the portrait. He is a FACT WITNESS. Now you are holding him to a higher standard as a means of refutation: 'if there is a portrait, then there is more evidence.'  But that is simply not true.

Lindsey, I'll let you in on a fairly obvious secret:
1. Masonic lodges have a long history of being secret organizations. Part of the induction rituals included the inductee swearing an oath that put a curse on them.  e.g. "If I should ever reveal these secrets, may my golf cart always konk out on the 13th hole... May my martinis always get warm..."
2. If an organization is secret, it is not a simple matter acquire tangible proof of its membership because the people involved are deliberately trying to obscure that info.

The bottom-line is that [1] people take what you say very seriously, [2] and should be able to believe what is told to them, [3] without having to worry about whether or not it is the truth as it is, [4] or if there could be some question as to the veracity of what is presented; that, to me, is something that is not acceptable.

Holy crap, Linds! What kind of sentence is this?  You just introduce commas, and you're off to the races stringing nonsense phrases together.  Tell me, what is the difference between points [1] - taking Scorp seriously; [2] - believing Scorp's statement; [3] - not worrying if it is true; and [4] - not worrying about the statement's veracity. You are just saying the same thing over and over.

I have explained myself, now the-ball-is-in-your-court to explain why it is that there is absolutely nothing that "I", and many others, have found to substantiate your claim against Dr. Paul, which FRANKLY, is not that big-of-a-deal, in-reality.

Whaaaaat? If someone sees a portrait of a person and reports on that, then the reporter is now under an obligation to explain why others cannot substantiate that claim?  Lindsey, I really don't believe you have thought this through all the way. 

And now it is NOT that big of a deal? Didn't you just say that it was a big deal? Is the size of this deal an objective variable, or is it contingent on your mood?  I guess you are right.  It's not that big of a deal.

If he really was a Freemason, or even a 33rd-degree Freemason, [1] why would he have to lie and say that he is not, [2] as there are very detailed records kept that would detail his progression through the degrees, and would show that he is not being truthful?  I hope that now you understand [3]why this is such a big deal, and why this absolutely deserves a direct explanation as to why there is no evidence to corroborate what you claimed to have seen.

[1] Because people don't trust freemasons, and RP is a politician; and if it got out RP is a FM then people would not be as likely to vote for him.
[2] Unproven assumption. Why don't you go to the freemason library and go to the reference desk and ask for the secret compendium of detailed records that detail degree progression of famous presidential candidates?
[3] It is a big deal again?  Damn it.  I just agreed with you that it wasn't a big deal.  Oh, okay, you're right.  It is a big deal. 


I found something just for you Linds! Some more proof!

A guy calls up the former secretary of the Eastern Star ladies Freemasonic lodgette and she confirms that RP's wife is a member of that order:

http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-90337/TS-457176.mp3

[LordLindsey]

This is not about Ron Paul's WIFE, this is about Ron Paul.  His wife's father apparently was how she was able to attain membership, as a family member of a Mason/Freemason is allowed to become a member, NOT NECESSARILY AT ALL A WIFE HAVING A HUSBAND BELONGING.

People who value the truth are forced to call-out BULLSHIT when it that is what the evidence provides, and I am calling BULLSHIT on what "Scorpio" claimed to have witnessed.  IF he truly did witness what he CLAIMS that he did, then all that he would have to do to verify it is call The Temple and ask directly why a portrait or photograph of Dr. Ronald Paul was commemorated at The Great Hall, and the matter would be settled; HOWEVER, not only has he not done this, but he has done NOTHING to provide ANY kind of verification of what I absolutely believe is an out-right lie meant to add credence to something that he wants to believe.

THERE.

I SAID IT.  I absolutely believe that "Scorpio" is lying about his anecdote, and if he lied about that, then I am forced to ask myself on everything that he has ever presented anecdotally what else is untrue.

If you are not able to be INTELLECTUALLY-HONEST about why this is so important, and how many foolish and gullible people have fallen for the "Ron Paul is a 33rd-degree Mason/Freemason" BULLSHIT that does nothing to help our collective credibility within the REAL truth-movement, then you need to re-evaluate your purpose within this "movement".

THE TRUTH HAS NO EXPIRATION DATE, AND I STAND-BY THIS CONCEPT:  "Falsus in Uno, Falsus in Omnibus".

"Falsus in Uno, Falsus in Omnibus is a legal maxim which means false in one thing, false in everything. A Roman legal principle indicating that a witness who willfully falsifies one matter is not credible on any matter. The underlying motive for attorneys to impeach opposing witnesses in court: the principle discredits the rest of their testimony if it is without corroboration."

http://definitions.uslegal.com/f/falsus-in-uno-falsus-in-omnibus/

You, "Christopher Marlowe", act like you KNOW this guy, personally, when as far as I know, NO ONE has ever personally met this "Scorpio", or knows jack-shit, IN-REALITY, about him.  I am so pissed-off because I helped perpetuate what absolutely appears to have been a God damned lie, and that will NEVER, EVER be acceptable to or for me, and should not be acceptable to anyone else, either. 

I am all about the truth, no matter what the truth is, and it is damned past time that this joke of a "movement" gets-its-shit-together, and starts being serious about dealing with the truths as they are, and to stop treating this effort like a fucking hobby, joke, or "entertainment".

I hope that this clarifies things much better, despite my very strong opinion that it all spoke-for-itself without the need for any clarification.

Lindsey

NB:  I want for anyone to say, honestly, that he/she knows anything about this "Scorpio", has ever met this guy, and/or can say with certainty that he and his "information" provided on anecdotal events can be trusted, because as far as I know, I know of NO ONE who knows anything for certain about this guy, and only knows what "Scorpio" has presented about himself, and about the details of his experiences and knowledge-base.

[yankeedoodle]

If the Masons are super secretive, it seems curious that the lady masons would be so helpful, as in this phone call.

Ron Paul is/was a professional man - a medical doctor - and he most likely joined the AMA, and, as thousands and thousands do, particularly when young and ambitious to establish career connections through organizations, he may have joined the Masons.  Maybe he is still a Mason, or maybe he quit, or maybe he just doesn't give a fuck about the Masons any more, or, to repeat, maybe he is still a Mason.  But, for fuck sake, NOT EVERYBODY IS A FUCKING 33rd-DEGREE MASON.   

Of course, Ron Paul probably has handlers/advisors, and maybe one or more of them are 33rd-degree Masons.   He's an older man, and some say he is a fool, and perhaps he has been fooled into trusting handlers/advisors around him who don't have the wishes of Ron Paul supports at heart.  Perhaps all they want is the money they can collect on the Ron Paul brand.  Forget auditing the FED, maybe an audit of the Ron Paul organization would be in order.  Yankee Doodle seems to remember some people complaining that a lot of money was being raised, but that it wasn't being spent aggressively to achieve victory. 

Ron Paul seems to be a bit of a thorn-in-the-side to the Republican establishment, and it could be that, if he is/was a Mason, his personality would make him a thorn-in-the-side to the Mason leadership, as well, so they probably wouldn't let him into their little super-secret 33rd-degree club. 

[LordLindsey]

http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/ron-paul-not-a-freemason/comment-page-1/

Ron Paul, in a hand-written note:

"Dear Charlotte,

     I am not & never have been a Freemason.

     Carol is doing well.

     Thanks for your support.

                                   Ron Paul"

END OF DISCUSSION.

Lindsey

[Ognir]

Yankee Doodle seems to remember some people complaining that a lot of money was being raised, but that it wasn't being spent aggressively to achieve victory.

You mean the $20 million he kept after 2008 and we had such momentum and shill Paul fucked us, maybe Lindsey would like to remind us what RP said about 911 being an inside job when asked in front of the American people on some fuckin presidential debate

Fuck Ron Paul

[Ognir]

Ron Paul that piece of shit. on that presidential debate, asked if he believed 911 was an inside job or a conspiracy and I called it that night on a recording that he fucked the 911 movement in the arse

[LordLindsey]

I am going to say one more thing that is of up-most importance:  If Cynthia McKinney ever outrightly lied to me, and I could find evidence of that lie, then I would never again be able to fully trust her, and what she had to say to me, and my ability to share anything coming from her, or to promote her and her efforts, would be severely diminished to the point that I MOST LIKELY would never be able to have anything to do with her, ever again.

I am not talking about a "little-white-lie", but I am talking about something of very real consequence, like what I absolutely believe is the case here.  I hold the people within this REAL truth-movement to a very high standard, AS EVERY ONE OF YOU ALREADY KNOWS BECAUSE I AM NOT SOME "JOHNNY-COME-LATELY", and it is becoming increasingly necessary for those of us whom care about our futures to start acting like we are a serious movement with a very real agenda of educating the masses, TRUTHFULLY, or we are doomed to failure.

I really do not have much else to say, because, frankly, I have said all that I need to say.

Lindsey

[LordLindsey]

I DO NOT LIKE RON PAUL, and absolutely DO believe that he betrayed those who put-their-faith in him; however, it does us no good at all making-up stories about him, simply to fit an agenda, WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY WHAT I BELIEVE IS THE CASE HERE, with regard to the original point of this Topic.

There is a very, very real and serious issue of credibility with this REAL truth-movement that has been woefully ill-addressed, if addressed AT ALL, for the most part, and it is past time for people within this movement to realize that this is not a game, not for entertainment, and is not for bored Trolls and miscreants looking for an easy way to practice their malevolence, but IS for all-of-the-marbles for our collective futures, and for the education of the masses so that we have something to which we all have to look forward, besides the literal Hell-on-Earth that is planned for us by the cabal.

If people can't understand this, then that is not "my" problem; it is their problem.

Lindsey

[Christopher Marlowe]

Lindsey said: You, "Christopher Marlowe", [1] act like you KNOW this guy, personally, [2] when as far as I know, NO ONE has ever personally met this "Scorpio", or know jack-shit, IN-REALITY, about him.  [3] I am so pissed-off because I helped perpetuate what absolutely appears to have been a God damned lie, and that will NEVER, EVER be acceptable to or for me, and should not be acceptable to anyone else, either. 

[1] How did I act like I KNOW Scorpio personally? I know Scorpio only from TIU, just like I KNOW Lindsey... If that is your real name! How do I KNOW I'm really talking to Lindsey?  I like Scorpio's shows.  I like listening to his stories. He doesn't strike me as a liar, or as a drama queen as far as that goes.

[2] This doesn't follow at all, and it doesn't help to say that it goes only "as far as [you] know".  What I think you MEANT to say was that you don't know of anyone who knows Scorpio personally.  I don't know anyone on TIU personally. This is the internet. 

But I think you are onto something.  I don't think "Scorpio" is his real name. That lying bastard.  He's probably a Gemini or a Virgo.  Why oh why did I ever trust that slick-talker?  Why do I always fall for this?  You are so right, Linseed.  You were right all along. 

[3] Don't despair that, for the first time ever in your truth-loving life, you passed on some careless misinformation.  You might be WRONG, and RP might still be a freemason! Then you would be wrong right now, but you would have been right in the past! 

Like I said, I voted for RP, and that was after I heard Scorpio tell the story about the freemasonic temple portrait which you believe is false, and not true, and is not to be believed, and causes one to worry about its veracity.  In this world, there are very few things that you can be absolutely sure about.  And that is why I don't vote anymore.

[Ognir]

Lindsey WTF is all of this about Ron Paul, mason or not, who gives a fuck

2008 presidential debates, Ron Paul asked about 911 and he fuckin shilled his arse off, he could have blown the whole 911 investigation open
He shilled and kept 20 million fuckin dollars

Plus he brought this Israel firster Ran Paul to DC

[LordLindsey]

In-summation, we have to take much more responsibility for our individual parts in this REAL truth-movement than we are, and start doing a much better job in our attempts to reach the masses WITH THE TRUTHS AS WE KNOW/BELIEVE THEM TO BE, presenting the very best evidences for the myriad of issues that are keeping us from being the best that we can be in our lives.

That is all that I have to say, and consider this issue closed.  If you people take nothing else from this matter, TAKE THIS:  If we present something to someone that ends-up being completely false, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO BE THE RESULT FOR THE PERSON WHOM IS THE RECIPIENT OF THAT FALSEHOOD?  They are most likely going to just walk-away, believing the lie that we are all a bunch of kooks, liars, and "conspiracy-theorists", and that all that we are saying is a God damned lie because "we hate God's people"!

THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is why the truth is so important to what we do, and we can NEVER, EVER compromise on presenting the truths as they are.

And with that, I have said all that I have to say.

Lindsey

[altered]

Anyone who back-stab's a certain group of people at a certain forum and than joins them cannot be trusted.

[LordLindsey]

Why don't you explain who and what you mean?  I am curious to what you are referring, and to whom.

Lindsey

[Christopher Marlowe]

END OF DISCUSSION.

Lindsey

I really do not have much else to say, because, frankly, I have said all that I need to say.

Lindsey

And with that, I have said all that I have to say.

Lindsey

[LordLindsey]

http://freemasonsfordummies.blogspot.com/2011/07/ron-paul-not-freemason-really.html

Here is the personal hand-written note from Dr. Paul stating that he is not, and never has been, a Freemason.  The one that I previously linked has had the entire site changed, but it is here, and I saved the note's image, personally.

Lindsey

[LordLindsey]

This issue is as important, today, than it was, years, ago.

If you EVER accept a blatant-liar, whose blatant-lies spread, LITERALLY, world-wide, destroying-the-credibility of an unknown number-of-people, and caused SERIOUS harm to the REAL "truth-movement", then there is ZERO FUCKING REASON TO BE A PART OF SAID "TRUTH"-MOVEMENT.

Lindsey

[yankeedoodle]

Welcome back, Lindsey.

Guess you're talking about shit-for-brains shabbos goy Donnie-boy    when you say this:

...a blatant-liar, whose blatant-lies spread, LITERALLY, world-wide, destroying-the-credibility of an unknown number-of-people, and caused SERIOUS harm to the REAL "truth-movement",...

[LordLindsey]

I had consistent problems logging-in to my account, and just gave-up, and was gone for A LONG time, but I am back.

Lindsey