John's "The Myth of the Good Jew"

[AK3N470N]

Speaking of Satan, here is a video series from a Jewish contact I exchange info with. Certain subjects are taboo and understand when I at least, say good Jew I mean it in the sense of exposing the story. Not in terms of a Jewish neighbor who is a good guy.

Wonder how the religious posters will react to this:
[youtube:1tzdb0zb]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnDMz7cpNnU[/youtube]1tzdb0zb]

[blueocean]

John I know what you mean:


I have criticsed people's of all kinds of creeds and doctrines and pointed out the shit in their camp.


99% of them got defensive and didn't want to follow the truth, maybe that is just psychology.  Maybe it is loyalty or benefit that prevents them.

people don't want to be wrong.  People don't weant to be learned a lesson.  People guard against 'outsiders'

etc etc.   A lot of psychology involved here.  

The question then is: What is wise?   What is a wise approach?  

So far You yourself are actually proof that the 'HEAD-ON' approach only activates people's defenses.  Your Video is therefore a: too broad (thereby hurding individuals into one blob-group)
b: a bad approach with low yield of succes.

Maybe you can proof too everyone that the head-on approach DOES work and do the 'good satanist' thing that I asked you for in my previous post. (and before)

[Anonymous]

John is a good satanist, so I love to see John Outing other 'bad' satanists and their practices, organisations and bad doctrines.

   I'm not a Satanist. I'm a Christian.

   As for some of the more disgusting Satanists, there was Anton LaVey (a Jew) whose real name is Howard Levi. His daughter, who disowned him, accused him of child molestation and severe mistreatment of animals. I never met or spoke to LaVey/Levi. I did exchange words with Rev. Andre Schelsinger (Jew). I think he's also dead now but I may be mistaken. Then there's Magister Boyd Rice who leads a pack of White Nationalists. Some surface Intel says that Rice is a crypto-Jew but the Church of Satan is littered with crypos so that's no surprise. Stanton LaVey (son of Zeena LaVey) is said to be an abuser of women and in my attack on him I found that he couldn't argue his way out of a paper bag. I believe Zeena has also disowned her son.

   Then there's the First Church of Satan, which is/was run by John Dewey Allee. I'm unaware of his bloodline, but he is a homosexual and said to be a supporter of NAMBLA. That may just be empty slander against him. However, NAMBLA (promoting pedophilia) is run by a Jew.

   Mentioning anything about Jews on Satanic message boards will quickly get you banned. Which is the same with White Nationalist forums. It's pretty clear who runs both.

[Anonymous]

I'm not dumb enough nor free enough to argue the illogical idea of good and bad jews as defined by someone else.

Are all muslims who don't expose honor killings, bad muslims?

Are all blacks who don't expose the crack selling in their neighborhoods bad blacks?

Are all catholics who don't expose pedophilia in their ranks bad catholics?

Are all afghanis who don't expose rape of little boys in Afghanistan bad afghanis?

[Anonymous]

So far You yourself are actually proof that the 'HEAD-ON' approach only activates people's defenses. Your Video is therefore a: too broad (thereby hurding individuals into one blob-group)
b: a bad approach with low yield of succes.

  Actually it's working just fine. I invite you to read through the comments on the video and I'll be glad to share more emails with you. Here's one:

"Would just like to say that it is a breath of fresh air to see someone speaking the truth."

. . .and another:

"I have been banging on about this for years in truth forums where people continue to put out the  story of jews assisting gentiles. My favorite question was to ask how many criminal jews have yet been disclosed and brought to justice by other jews for their crimes against gentiles. I've yet to hear any one to give me a single person. On this point [DELETED] is silent and he has fails to respond to a single email to him on this subject. I've even asked him to name a single living jew who has provided for certain FRESH information to him or someone else, but still he stays silent."

   I get plenty of calls from elderly folks (World War II era, etc.) and they love my work, among many many others. One location I had the privilege of training at was owned by a gentleman who was a guard at the Nuremberg trials. Great to a see an old timer roll out on a four-wheeler with a hat that says "MILITIA" on it.

[blueocean]

Thank you for the response John.


Wherever the facts (therea are a lot of those) say that criminal jews are guilty or accomplices to the many many crimes we all know about I will shout hard and point out these criminal mispoche (maffia) jews and their crimes.


We need to device strategies to get people from the jewish community to do the same.

I understand were Khanverse is coming from, as i also understand your point.


I have an example of good jews: Benjamin Freedman and Jack Bernstein.    


Has anyone ever seen the movie: "They Live"?

[Anonymous]

if you can't watch it online download it:

http://www.khanverse.com/interviews/the ... 201988.avi

don't know how the website will handle it but you're welcome to try

[sullivan]

Speaking of Satan, here is a video series from a Jewish contact I exchange info with. Certain subjects are taboo and understand when I at least, say good Jew I mean it in the sense of exposing the story. Not in terms of a Jewish neighbor who is a good guy.]

The video sounds like Kabbalistic / Talmudic nonsense to me, and I am NOT in any way religious.

[Anonymous]

I'm not dumb enough nor free enough to argue the illogical idea of good and bad jews as defined by someone else.

  I don't see why not. The Quran speaks about the Jews and their evil ways quite plainly. Doesn't it say something about anyone being a friend of a Jew is among them?
 

Are all muslims who don't expose honor killings, bad muslims?

Are all blacks who don't expose the crack selling in their neighborhoods bad blacks?

Are all catholics who don't expose pedophilia in their ranks bad catholics?

Are all afghanis who don't expose rape of little boys in Afghanistan bad afghanis?

As for your questions the answer is "yes" to all of them per the parameters laid out in my video. As the definition of "good" being used in the video is clear (one who speaks out against the evils committed by people of his particular group). "Good" is subjective but it is objectively defined within the video.

Regardless of whether you use the term good or not--I'll be more than happy to remove the word from language in this thread--can you please produce a list of Jews who speak out fully against the things mentioned in my video? Just "Jews", not "good Jews" or Jews from Mars or any other kind of Jew. Just a Jew who speaks out wholeheartedly against the evils set forth in the video.

So lets do that; lets throw the term "good Jew" right out the window and just use the word "Jew," because you seem to be unable to move beyond the word "good". The word "good" must be blocking whatever mental processes are necessary for you to produce a list of Jews that preach out against the things mentioned in the video. So I don't care whether they're good, bad, evil or painted with polka dots. So long as they speak out against the things mentioned in the video I'll be glad to retract my statements and apologize to these Jews.

Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Calling out the Good "Jew"s to help us with the message is strange to me. If we look at just after 911, mainly Jewish people were telling the so called truth, they lead the truth movement and still are, case in point the LC crew.

I agree. Even if you knew of good Jews exposing these crimes, you sure wouldn't trust him. You would probably say that he is infiltrating or is an agent, etc. And not that you have to trust him but its kind of hard to explain what I mean. (Not directed at Ognir, just agreeing with what he said above.)

Not true. I would certainly give Bobby Fisher and Freedman a pass. I feel if someone who WAS a Jew denounced themselves as being one and called out the entire deception would merit them being proved to be innocent of being complicit with them. Also I believe if we are to push harder on this issue it will put all these so called 'good Jews' to make their play instead of sitting by getting a free pass from cowards out here because they didn't do anything. I am going to make a video podcast about this issue and blast a the whole lot of people on here nay saying. Its been awhile since I have done one but its time for me to stop pulling punches with Jews and their 'protectors' alike...  Til then....

[Anonymous]

Freedman didn't talk about their control over sex slavery, african slavery, the smut peddlers, penis mutilation or the drug trade.

I can't give him a pass.  I mean, how could he not know?  There's no way he didn't know because of course, everyone knew.

Fagan never renounced being jewish

Thus, both were obviously crypto-jews designed to control the message.

& Fischer never elaborately exposed any crime not already known by gentiles... He just denounced judaism

So did this guy:

[youtube:3ce5fwj0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DabIO_gwRgo[/youtube]3ce5fwj0]

Speech (first part)

[youtube:3ce5fwj0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MIeLoTJO8Q[/youtube]3ce5fwj0]

you didn't know? But of course, I'm a 'cowardly protector' of the jew, plus a crypto-mizrahi, so don't listen to me.

[blueocean]

Looking forward to seeing the next prothink video "denouncing all jews and all coward protectors of the jews."  :roll:


the definiton of a protector of jews is?:  "Anyone that disagrees with the statement that All Jews are bad, and that all jews should completely denounce themselves and everything about jewness"


Your following in the white/black nationalist movement will increase exponentially if you plug this video for sure.


Too bad these two groups will fight themselves off too................   0h well comes with the territory I guess.


With a message like this how many people from the jewish community will do as you ask?


The mind likes to (over)- simplify things in order to gain clarity on complex issues..................................

[Ralph Furely]

im jewish.

[AK3N470N]

who, or what groups wrote the Talmud.  and who wrote the Zohar.  which type of 'jew' wrote these pieces of work.  i think the answers could help in this debate.

I'm Jewish

"I have a hard time believing you are Jewish, unless you hate your own kind" - Quoted from someone who said something in a similar sense to me earlier.

How is the video Prothink did useless? I've got nothing but good comments from it and most people have been to Prothink's site. The only people bad mouthing the video are you guys and the Jref forum... interesting.

Well at least now you don't have to worry about promoting it, assuming you even were in the first place.

[Ralph Furely]

i was actually just kidding.  i felt the thread needed a little humour just for a second.  now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

[Ralph Furely]

.. anyway im going to the bar now to see my man Skratch Bastard, anyone comin?  anyone??  Eustace?  Ferris?  anyone??  ok, ill meet yas there.

[Anonymous]

But to come up with this shite right after the video's relief -- it strikes me rather suspect...

  Very few actually bother to call us and hear the inner workings of our minds. For this reason hysterics find fertile ground in the things we put forth.

 The video in question was released after Missing Links because even the most supposedly hardcore investigator or preacher against the "New World Order" failed to promote it. Even DBS promotes the video with a disclaimer. Which is completely fine with us. If you don't like us, fine, but please put the information out there. Rense.com, Henry Makow, David Icke, Peter Shank, DBS and a few others stepped up to the plate, while others gave obvious "I'm controlled by you-know-who" rhetoric, outright banned us or supporters of the film from their forums, or altogether avoided mention of it.

  The following quote was said by Mark Twain and I think anyone here would praise him for this simple piece of wisdom:

   "In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

    Yet Mark Twain was a member of Bohemian Grove and would be called a Satanist by the most modern definitions held by avowed Satanists today. He is also quoted as saying:

  "I have always felt friendly toward Satan. Of course that is ancestral; it must be in the blood, for I could not have originated it."

   The point is, that even if a you think a person is vile and they say something of wisdom there should be no shame or cause for concern in quoting them. Those who take the messenger to the stake are of little consequence. I would suggest a careful review of Kay Griggs' work as it concerns this very subject. Real insiders have terrible things in their closets. Everyone here is a witness to how I am slandered and pushed away for my prior involvement in Satanism. Do you expect that an insider would have a clean slate? The leaders you seek are sinners, as like the Saints and Apostles, and even the Prophets.

  "Persons in power should be very careful of how they deal with a man who cares nothing for sensual pleasure, nothing for riches, nothing for comfort or praise or promotion, but is simply determined to do what he believes to be right. He is a dangerous and uncomfortable enemy, because his body, which you can always conquer, gives you so little purchase upon his soul." Bryan E. Carr

[Anonymous]

I'm not dumb enough nor free enough to argue the illogical idea of good and bad jews as defined by someone else.

Are all muslims who don't expose honor killings, bad muslims?

Are all blacks who don't expose the crack selling in their neighborhoods bad blacks?

Are all catholics who don't expose pedophilia in their ranks bad catholics?

Are all afghanis who don't expose rape of little boys in Afghanistan bad afghanis?

I'd have to say this was certainly one of the most elementary and ignorant retorts I have ever heard you come back with Khanverse. You can do far better than this unless the truth is hitting home and your cognitive dissidence is kicking in trying to search for some 'good Jews'. BTW, the anti-whiteman shit has to go.

[Ognir]

As I wake up this morning and start to watch the Kosher version of Fabled Enemy
http://tracker.conspiracycentral.net/to ... hp?id=1372

I suggest people shut up with this Satan shit on my forums, argue about it elsewhere and let the rest of us get back to work on our research.

John take a hike!

[Anonymous]

who, or what groups wrote the Talmud.  and who wrote the Zohar.  which type of 'jew' wrote these pieces of work.  i think the answers could help in this debate.

I'm Jewish

"I have a hard time believing you are Jewish, unless you hate your own kind" - Quoted from someone who said something in a similar sense to me earlier.

How is the video Prothink did useless? I've got nothing but good comments from it and most people have been to Prothink's site. The only people bad mouthing the video are you guys and the Jref forum... interesting.

Well at least now you don't have to worry about promoting it, assuming you even were in the first place.

lol.

It might be time for me to start my own forum where you can talk as much smack about these Jews as you like without people wanting to bow down and protect some mysterious sector of "good Jews'. Also some places in the USA have laws that state if you see a crime going on and you don't report then you are complicit and just as guilty... Hmm, I like that law. I love how Khan and Og blew my support for John's video far out of proportion. Very cute. I have to get this video done of myself blasting back at my stance about these issues to make things very clear, even if you dont agree with them.

PS: to all the insulting comments that John would even have the capability to influence me, you better consider the tables turned on that idea. I might sound like some nice midwest fellow, but I'm no fool. I've had my own very flavored background too that has given me the experience to see what I see. I would say more but I am more reserved than John is and therefore do not display my cards as easily.

Jew-free forum by Prothink? I think so other than I have a problem with people spending time bickering on forums instead of hitting the streets and alarming other non-Jews about the blood thirsty Jew masters, lol.

And thanks again AK3N470N for promoting the film, I noticed how much work you put in going all over the net to get it out there.

[Anonymous]

I suggest people shut up with this Satan shit on my forums, argue about it elsewhere and let the rest of us get back to work on our research.

I'm not here to talk about "Satan shit", but hysterics seem to want to bring it up at every opportunity they get.

As for taking a hike, as a guest in your lair I'll respect your wishes. Feel free to delete my account.

I wish you all the best.

Stay strong!

[Ognir]

You missed the point Mike,  these fuckers have been around for 1000's of years, you know the story as well as I do,  I'll be fighting them today, tomorrow and after that hopefully until we have a better understanding and more of us in numbers.

When the colonists stood up to the English, less than 4% were involved in the very beginning. We are not even there yet.

Out time will come.

[Ralph Furely]

When the colonists stood up to the English, less than 4% were involved in the very beginning. We are not even there yet.

thatsa good point

[Anonymous]

I'd have to say this was certainly one of the most elementary and ignorant retorts I have ever heard you come back with Khanverse. You can do far better than this unless the truth is hitting home and your cognitive dissidence is kicking in trying to search for some 'good Jews'. BTW, the anti-whiteman shit has to go.

Cognitive Dissonance.

Truth is hitting home?

You trying to educate me on something I taught before you learned it, brother?

I suggest you answer those questions with a yes or no answer like you expect people to do with the jews.

Or at least,

reflect on why you don't want to.

The white man concept is totally accurate and in fact encompasses more crimes than just the jew and includes the white skin jew as you can not blame the holocaust of 130 million africans and 90 million native americans on the white jew alone.

However, I'm obviously not THAT STUPID.

I'm just utilizing it now to put the mirror up to you because you can't truly understand how you sound to others until you hear it like that.

Guilt based on something you never were involved with or condoned.  Don't feel good does it?

It's not a mistake at all that the ones with the most wide open ears to this 'new message' are white supramacists.

Glenn put it best,

If you are truly dedicated to bringing out the truth, fight like a smart soldier, which means NOT shooting at everything that moves, and especially if it happens to be people on your own team.

I never attacked you.  I attacked the concept.  The "backstabber", "coward" and "protector of the jew" comments came from you.

It's Ramadan for me, so I'm not gonna be dealin with this irrelevent stupidity and drama for the following month.  

Just some food for thought from a humble pashtun.

Peace & Blessings

[Ognir]

Feel free to delete my account.

No problem, dis-activated

[Anonymous]

Henry Makow, Christopher John Bjerknes

Two "Jews" who have been exposing the "Jewish" conspiracy.  Not 'good' enough for certain people's criteria of 'goodness'?  Doesn't surprise me...

[Rockclimber]

I'm not dumb enough nor free enough to argue the illogical idea of good and bad jews as defined by someone else.

Are all muslims who don't expose honor killings, bad muslims?

Are all blacks who don't expose the crack selling in their neighborhoods bad blacks?

Are all catholics who don't expose pedophilia in their ranks bad catholics?

Are all afghanis who don't expose rape of little boys in Afghanistan bad afghanis?

I'd have to say this was certainly one of the most elementary and ignorant retorts I have ever heard you come back with Khanverse. You can do far better than this unless the truth is hitting home and your cognitive dissidence is kicking in trying to search for some 'good Jews'. BTW, the anti-whiteman shit has to go.

Yes, in my opinion they are all bad. I would love to kick every person in the balls who doesn't expose a known pedophile, a rapist, a crack dealer or a terrorist.

For the record I believe there are Jews with good intent. It boils down to something very simple for me. As a former Zionist Christian I was an ignorant fool duped into believing a pack of lies. Pro-Republican (but transformed into a neocon), pro Israeli, dont' speak ill will etc., But once I learned many truths I decided that I had to act upon that knowledge. That in my opinion is what makes one 'good' or 'bad'. In other words we are born into a world where we are propagandized, and indoctrinated to believe what is 'good'. But once you know the real truth, you can no longer sit back and keep doing what you have always done. With what you know, with these new truths and knowledge, through valid research a new view of good emerges. If you know the difference and yet in my case if I still act as a Christian Zionist than I am a part of the bad crowd, the duped crowd and I am even more guilty. So my point boils down to this: once you know you have to act on it, expose it and re-educate others. As much as religious words are despised on this forum, I do these things as a follower of Christ, not as a zio-Christian. If you don't act on any of this new knowledge, then yes you are part of the bad crowd and you are perpetuating the problem. But it's not as cut and dried as we would like to believe

Also, the anti-whiteman crap does have to go. Sure there are a ton of bad whites but those at the top call themselves Jews. Since they are neither semites (for the most part) this is about a very dangerous, proud and arrogant believe system. Not all whites fall into this camp. It is a special group, a self 'chosen' group of people who believe this is their world and all us cattle need to be controlled. The cattle-goyim whites are their puppets, period who get some fringe benefits. But the real money powers could destroy each and everyone of them. Hell if it's whites, there is a forum over at prison planet that has plenty of that to go around.

[Anonymous]

After seven pages of you guys bickering back and forth, I decided it was about time to put in my two-sense.  

Frankly, I can't believe all the bullshit spewing forth on this forum.  It would appear that our masters, or the Jews (Zionist or Orthodox), have us right where they want us - fighting amongst ourselves over trivial tripe that will be long forgotten once the siege begins.  And by that, I mean the Jewish dominated American government's version of the Gestapo, Stasi, whatever, begins rounding up all the dissidents.  It will not matter one hoot is you're anti-semitic or just another trouble-maker that disagrees with what the government is doing.

Regarding the subject of this thread, "John's The Myth of the Good Jew"; I watched the video twice and then decided to read John's actual words from his website and, subsequently, came away with a completely different interpretation once doing so.  Instead of using 'good', maybe what John actually meant is "decent."  Where are all the decent Jews?  The word 'decent' is first described as: conforming to the recognized standard of propriety, good taste, modesty, etc., as in behavior or speech.    On that note, aZiXx, I was just about to mention Christopher Jon Bjerknes and James Petras as my two choices regarding "good" Jews who I believe care for the survival of humanity, America as a continuing nation, and the right to choose which religion one follows, which is only available to citizens of a free and open society - as America once was.  The Noahide Laws are vastly approaching as the replacement religion of Christianity in this country once the Jews finally consolidate all their power.

But I have to ask, why all the beef about this video?  It is almost as if some of you fear the truth from certain individuals, specifically John.  He is first and foremost an American who by his own admission went down the wrong path for a time in his life, but eventually turned his life around and started over.  Yet, many here still condemn him for his past and the mistakes from that past.  America is the only country that I know of where one can truly turn their life around and start over.  So, why all the condemnation for this man?  Christ once said, "he who is without sin cast the first stone."  Well, I got news for everyone, we are all sinners and no one in this group or any other can throw stones  unless they have some self-righteous attitude that they are better than everyone else.  I have no such illusions, myself.

Now, do I believe that there are no good, or decent Jews.  Of course not!  I've already mentioned two and I might add Michael Hoffman in with them.  Jews have the same problems as Christians, Muslims, or any other religion, at least in Ameria.  They are insulated in their religious communities some more so than others.  Being Americans I would bet a good number are so wrapped up in their own lives and circumstances that they know little or nothing about what is really happening in the world.  I know for a fact, at least in my area of the country, that fundamental Christians are so involved in their faith that they are clueless of any Jewish conspiracy against them.  Does that make them bad?  Again, no.  It just means that they are ill-informed and don't even have the foresight to seek the truth since they are unaware of any malignant agenda aimed at them.

One last word, I think John may have also been referring to ordinary Jews.  Do we have any Jews on this forum?  We may, but I don't think they have identified themselves.  I've thought about this for some time, what it means to grow up being Jewish.  Can any of us even imagine the psychological bombardment it demands to basically turn a good, decent human being into a Talmudic Jew from birth?  Torture may not be an adequate description but it's close.  We know that there are converts from Judaism like Brother Nathanial from Real Jew News and Benjamin Freedman, but, not many appear to be speaking out against their former religion.  Fear maybe the primary reason, or, even doubt that even though abandoning the religion maybe some think it best not to mutilate their former faith in public.  Now, that the truth is moving forward regarding the criminal aspect of Judaism I firmly believe that we will see ordinary, regular Jews speaking out, not just journalists and academics such as Bjerknes, Makow and Hoffman, etc.

In the meantime, I think The InfoUnderground has lost a true American patriot because it's members could not, or, would not deal with alternative or differing opinions for the real reason we are here in the first place, which I thought was to expose the criminals in our midst that are destroying America and the world - be they Jewish or other.

Whitewraithe~    

[Ralph Furely]

i feel pretty dope myself...

[ThaTruth920]

After seven pages of you guys bickering back and forth, I decided it was about time to put in my two-sense.  

Frankly, I can't believe all the bullshit spewing forth on this forum.  It would appear that our masters, or the Jews (Zionist or Orthodox), have us right where they want us - fighting amongst ourselves over trivial tripe that will be long forgotten once the siege begins.  And by that, I mean the Jewish dominated American government's version of the Gestapo, Stasi, whatever, begins rounding up all the dissidents.  It will not matter one hoot is you're anti-semitic or just another trouble-maker that disagrees with what the government is doing.

Regarding the subject of this thread, "John's The Myth of the Good Jew"; I watched the video twice and then decided to read John's actual words from his website and, subsequently, came away with a completely different interpretation once doing so.  Instead of using 'good', maybe what John actually meant is "decent."  Where are all the decent Jews?  The word 'decent' is first described as: conforming to the recognized standard of propriety, good taste, modesty, etc., as in behavior or speech.    On that note, aZiXx, I was just about to mention Christopher Jon Bjerknes and James Petras as my two choices regarding "good" Jews who I believe care for the survival of humanity, America as a continuing nation, and the right to choose which religion one follows, which is only available to citizens of a free and open society - as America once was.  The Noahide Laws are vastly approaching as the replacement religion of Christianity in this country once the Jews finally consolidate all their power.

But I have to ask, why all the beef about this video?  It is almost as if some of you fear the truth from certain individuals, specifically John.  He is first and foremost an American who by his own admission went down the wrong path for a time in his life, but eventually turned his life around and started over.  Yet, many here still condemn him for his past and the mistakes from that past.  America is the only country that I know of where one can truly turn their life around and start over.  So, why all the condemnation for this man?  Christ once said, "he who is without sin cast the first stone."  Well, I got news for everyone, we are all sinners and no one in this group or any other can throw stones  unless they have some self-righteous attitude that they are better than everyone else.  I have no such illusions, myself.

Now, do I believe that there are no good, or decent Jews.  Of course not!  I've already mentioned two and I might add Michael Hoffman in with them.  Jews have the same problems as Christians, Muslims, or any other religion, at least in Ameria.  They are insulated in their religious communities some more so than others.  Being Americans I would bet a good number are so wrapped up in their own lives and circumstances that they know little or nothing about what is really happening in the world.  I know for a fact, at least in my area of the country, that fundamental Christians are so involved in their faith that they are clueless of any Jewish conspiracy against them.  Does that make them bad?  Again, no.  It just means that they are ill-informed and don't even have the foresight to seek the truth since they are unaware of any malignant agenda aimed at them.

One last word, I think John may have also been referring to ordinary Jews.  Do we have any Jews on this forum?  We may, but I don't think they have identified themselves.  I've thought about this for some time, what it means to grow up being Jewish.  Can any of us even imagine the psychological bombardment it demands to basically turn a good, decent human being into a Talmudic Jew from birth?  Torture may not be an adequate description but it's close.  We know that there are converts from Judaism like Brother Nathanial from Real Jew News and Benjamin Freedman, but, not many appear to be speaking out against their former religion.  Fear maybe the primary reason, or, even doubt that even though abandoning the religion maybe some think it best not to mutilate their former faith in public.  Now, that the truth is moving forward regarding the criminal aspect of Judaism I firmly believe that we will see ordinary, regular Jews speaking out, not just journalists and academics such as Bjerknes, Makow and Hoffman, etc.

In the meantime, I think The InfoUnderground has lost a true American patriot because it's members could not, or, would not deal with alternative or differing opinions for the real reason we are here in the first place, which I thought was to expose the criminals in our midst that are destroying America and the world - be they Jewish or other.

Whitewraithe~    

I have to say that I agree with you 100%...