Russian airliner with 224 aboard crashes in Egypt's Sinai, all killed

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Egypt's Prime Minister Sherif Ismail looks at the remains of a Russian airliner after it crashed in central Sinai near El Arish city, north Egypt, October 31, 2015.
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World  | Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:29pm EDT Related: World, Russia, Egypt
Russian airliner with 224 aboard crashes in Egypt's Sinai, all killed
ISMAILIA, Egypt/CAIRO  | By Yusri Mohammed and Ahmed Mohamed Hassan
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/31/us-egypt-crash-idUSKCN0SP06V20151031

"A Russian airliner carrying 224 passengers crashed into a mountainous
   area of Egypt's Sinai peninsula on Saturday shortly after losing radar
   contact near cruising altitude, killing all aboard.
   
   A militant group affiliated to Islamic State in Egypt, Sinai Province,
   said in a statement it had brought down the plane "in response to
   Russian airstrikes that killed hundreds of Muslims on Syrian land", but
   Russia's Transport Minister told Interfax news agency the claim "can't
   be considered accurate".
   
   The Airbus A321, operated by Russian airline Kogalymavia under the
   brand name Metrojet, was flying from the Red Sea resort of Sharm
   el-Sheikh to St Petersburg in Russia when it went down in central Sinai
   soon after daybreak, the aviation ministry said.
   
   "I now see a tragic scene," an Egyptian security officer at the site
   told Reuters by telephone. "A lot of dead on the ground and many who
   died whilst strapped to their seats.
   
   "The plane split into two, a small part on the tail end that burned and
   a larger part that crashed into a rockface. We have extracted at least
   100 bodies and the rest are still inside," the officer, who requested
   anonymity, said.
   
   Both black boxes of the plane had been found, Mohamed Hossam Kemal, the
   civil aviation minister, told a news conference.
   
   Kemal said communications between the plane and air traffic control
   before the crash had been normal and that nothing irregular had
   occurred before the accident.
   
   "The plane did not request a change of route," he said.
   
   Egyptian Prime Minister Sherif Ismail also told the news conference
   that there did not appear to be any unusual activity behind the crash
   but the facts would not be clear until further investigations had been
   carried out.
   
   Ismail said 129 bodies had so far been removed and the chances of
   finding survivors were now near-impossible.
   
   Bodies were being transported to various hospitals with 34 arriving in
   the Zeinhom morgue in Cairo early in the evening.
   
   Islamic State, in a statement on Twitter, said it had brought down the
   aircraft.
   
   Sinai is the scene of an insurgency by militants close to Islamic
   State, who have killed hundreds of Egyptian soldiers and police and
   have also attacked Western targets in recent months. Much of the Sinai
   is a restricted military zone.
   
   Related Coverage
   › Egypt says finds both black boxes from crashed Russian plane
   › Egyptian PM says no 'irregular' activities believed behind crash
   
   Militants in the area are not believed to have missiles capable of
   hitting a plane at 30,000 feet. Islamic State websites have in the past
   claimed responsibility for actions that have not been conclusively
   attributed to them.
   
   Russia, an ally of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, launched air raids
   against opposition groups in Syria including Islamic State on Sept. 30.
   
   Two of Europe's largest airlines, Lufthansa (LHAG.DE) and Air
   France-KLM (AIRF.PA), said they would avoid flying over the Sinai
   peninsula while awaiting an explanation on the cause of the crash.
   
   Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi promised Russia's President
   Vladimir Putin he would allow Russian experts to join the
   investigation.
   
   The prime minister said a Russian team would arrive in Egypt later on
   Saturday night. The country is also preparing to receive the families
   of the victims.
   
   TELEPHONES RINGING
   
   Putin declared a day of national mourning for Sunday. The passengers
   included 214 Russians and three Ukrainians.
   
   A middle-aged man in a gray overcoat, who gave his first name as
   Nayeel, wept as he spoke to reporters as he came out of a hotel near St
   Petersburg's Pulkovo airport, where a special reception center has been
   set up for families of the victims.
   
   He said that his wife had been on the plane.
   
   "At six am she sent me a text message saying: I'm boarding. God be with
   me.' And that was it," he said. The man said the rest of the family had
   already returned from a holiday in Egypt, but his wife had opted to
   stay on, which is why she was on the Saturday morning flight.
   
   The A321 is a medium-haul jet in service since 1994, with over 1,100 in
   operation worldwide and a good safety record. It is a highly automated
   aircraft relying on computers to help pilots stay within safe flying
   limits.
   
   Airbus said the A321 was built in 1997 and had been operated by
   Metrojet since 2012. It had flown 56,000 hours in nearly 21,000 flights
   and was powered by engines from International Aero Engines consortium,
   which includes United Technologies (UTX.N) unit Pratt & Whitney and
   Germany's MTU Aero Engines (MTXGn.DE).
   
   Emergency services and aviation specialists searched the wreckage for
   any clues to the crash. Wreckage was scattered over a wide area.
   
   Related Coverage
   › Islamic State claims responsibility for Russian plane crash in Egypt
   › Lufthansa, Air France avoid flying over Sinai after crash
   
   "We are hearing a lot of telephones ringing, most likely belonging to
   the victims, and security forces are collecting them and putting them
   into a bag," the security officer at the scene said.
   
   Russia's Investigative Committee said it was checking fuel samples from
   the aircraft's last refueling stop, in the southern Russian city of
   Samara, according to RIA news agency. Searches were being carried out
   at Moscow's Domodedovo airport where the airline that operated the
   plane is based.
   
   Kogalymavia was founded in 1993, and was earlier called Kolavia. Its
   fleet consists of two A320s and seven A321s.
   
   Russia and other former Soviet republics have relatively poor safety
   records, notably on domestic flights.
   
   Some Russian air crashes have been blamed on the use of aging aircraft,
   but industry experts point to other problems, including poor crew
   training, crumbling airports, lax government controls and neglect of
   safety in the pursuit of profits.
   
   The aircraft took off at 5:51 a.m. Cairo time (10:51 p.m. EDT) and
   disappeared from radar screens 23 minutes later, Egypt's Civil Aviation
   Ministry said in a statement. It was at an altitude of 31,000 feet
   (9,400 meters) when it vanished from radar screens.
   
   Accidents at cruising altitude are one of the rarest categories of
   accidents but also among the most deadly, accounting for 13 percent of
   fatal incidents since 2005, according to Boeing.
   
   Investigators would be looking into, among other things, the weather at
   the time, the pilots' experience, maintenance records, signs of a stall
   and any evidence of an explosion.
   
   Experts consistently warn air accidents are usually caused by a
   cocktail of factors, both human and technical.
   
   According to FlightRadar24, an authoritative Sweden-based flight
   tracking service, the aircraft was descending rapidly at about 6,000
   feet (1,800 meters) per minute when the signal was lost to air traffic
   control.
   
   France's civil aviation safety agency (BEA) said it would send a team
   to Egypt on Nov. 1 to join investigators from Germany and Russia. The
   United States Secretary of State John Kerry offered U.S. assistance, if
   needed, a spokesman said.
   
    (Additional reporting by Ehab Farouk, Ahmed Aboulenein, Lin Noueihed
   and Abdelnasser Aboul Elfadl in Cairo, Jason Bush and Christian Lowe in
   Moscow, Tim Hepher in Paris; Writing by Michael Georgy and Lin
   Noueihed; Editing by Ralph Boulton and Raissa Kasolowsky)"


Egypt's Prime Minister Sherif Ismail looks at the remains of a Russian airliner after it crashed in central Sinai near El Arish city, north Egypt, October 31, 2015.
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Egypt's Prime Minister Sherif Ismail (R) listens to rescue workers as he looks at the remains of a Russian airliner after it crashed in central Sinai near El Arish city, north Egypt, October 31, 2015.
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Clothes are pictured on the ground at the site where a Russian airliner crashed in central Sinai near El Arish city, north Egypt, October 31, 2015.
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Egyptian army with police and rescue crew transfer bodies of victims of a plane crash, from a civil police helicopter to an ambulance at Kabrit airport in Suez, east of Cairo, Egypt, October 31, 2015. .
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An Egyptian soldier and rescue crew transfer the body of a victim of a plane crash, from a civil police helicopter to an ambulance at Kabrit airport in Suez, east of Cairo, Egypt, October 31, 2015.
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Police open the way for ambulances carrying the bodies of passengers of a Russian airliner which crashed in Sinai, into a morgue in Cairo, Egypt, October 31, 2015.
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An Egyptian soldier asks the media to back off as rescue crews transfer the bodies of victims after a plane crashed in Sinai, from a civil police helicopter to an ambulance at Kabrit airport in Suez, east of Cairo, Egypt, October 31, 2015.
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A man prays as Egyptian soldiers and rescue crews wait to transfer the bodies of victims of a plane which crashed in Sinai, from a civil police helicopter to an ambulance at Kabrit airport in Suez, east of Cairo, Egypt, October 31, 2015.
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Police open the way for ambulances carrying the bodies of passengers of a Russian airliner which crashed in Sinai, into a morgue in Cairo, Egypt, October 31, 2015.
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The Metrojet's Airbus A-321 with registration number EI-ETJ that crashed in Egypt's Sinai peninsula, is seen in this picture taken in Antalya, Turkey September 17, 2015.
Reuters/Kim Philipp Piskol


A woman reacts next to Russian Emergencies Ministry members at Pulkovo airport in St. Petersburg, Russia, October 31, 2015.
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A man reacts next to Russian Emergencies Ministry members at Pulkovo airport in St. Petersburg, Russia, October 31, 2015.
Reuters/Peter Kovalev


13 A couple embraces next to a flight information board at Pulkovo airport in St. Petersburg, Russia, October 31, 2015.
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A woman reacts at Pulkovo airport in St. Petersburg, Russia, October 31, 2015.
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Women reacts as they walk at Pulkovo airport in St. Petersburg, Russia, October 31, 2015.
Reuters/Peter Kovalev

[Michael K.]

I wouldn't be too surprised if this leads to an escalation.

[MikeWB]

US-made  missile took it down? Probably supplied by Saudis.

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[yankeedoodle]

Hey Robert,
They've already found the black boxes, and, presumably, they will tell if it was a mechanical failure, or pilot error, or a bomb or missile attack.  That depends, of course, on who gets - and, more importantly, gets to analyze and report on - the black boxes.

Here's a question for you, Robert, since you are in the Netherlands.   What happened to the black boxes for MH-17, which were taken there - right in the heart of NATO - on the justification that the flight originated there? 

Funny, isn't it, that we hear constantly about Buk Buk BUK BUK BUK, until you want to puke, but, you never hear about box box box, as in black box.

What have you heard in the Netherlands about the black boxes?  Maybe we will never hear anything more about them, since they might record the pilots screaming about being shot-up by Ukrainian jets, or NATO/CIA/Mossad jets disguised as Ukrainian jets.

Amazing how the propaganda media makes us forget about the black boxes, isn't it?  Must be something bad inside those boxes. 

[rmstock]

Hey Robert,
They've already found the black boxes, and, presumably, they will tell if it was a mechanical failure, or pilot error, or a bomb or missile attack.  That depends, of course, on who gets - and, more importantly, gets to analyze and report on - the black boxes.

Here's a question for you, Robert, since you are in the Netherlands.   What happened to the black boxes for MH-17, which were taken there - right in the heart of NATO - on the justification that the flight originated there? 

Funny, isn't it, that we hear constantly about Buk Buk BUK BUK BUK, until you want to puke, but, you never hear about box box box, as in black box.

What have you heard in the Netherlands about the black boxes?  Maybe we will never hear anything more about them, since they might record the pilots screaming about being shot-up by Ukrainian jets, or NATO/CIA/Mossad jets disguised as Ukrainian jets.

Amazing how the propaganda media makes us forget about the black boxes, isn't it?  Must be something bad inside those boxes.

The black-boxes of the MH-17 (at least two exist) were in fact orange color spraypainted.
Somewhere on this website we have the MH17 crash covered

http://theinfounderground.com/smf/index.php?topic=18569.0

(A Malaysian expert (left) examines a black box belonging to Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 during
its handover from pro-Russian separatists, in Donetsk July 22, 2014. ― Reuters pic)

So Malaysia did have one in its possession and the Kiev Government did have one.
Both wound up in London to be investigated. After that silence, after the Aug 8, 2014
"Non-Disclosure Agreement" signed by Holland, Belgium, Australia & Ukraine.

[yankeedoodle]

Thanks, Robert.

Well, that solves it, doesn't it?  Obviously, the Rooooskies did it, didn't they, and the NATOers and NATO-wannabes - the Ukrainians and the Aussies - are keeping it all VERY secret, because they don't want to slander Vlad, do they?   

But, wait, bet Michael K has some fucking shit from CNN or the "Mail on Sunday" or some other fount of truth that has the proof that Vlad pulled the trigger on the Buk, and they probably have photos and fingerprints, too.

Come on, Michael K...put up, or shut up.

[MikeWB]

US is saying they detected an infrared flash. That was probably the missile strike.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/satellite-detected-heat-flash-at-time-russian-plane-went-down/
ST. PETERSBURG, Russia -- Mystery and confusion surrounded the final moments of a Russian jetliner that plummeted suddenly from high altitude to the Egyptian desert, killing all 224 people aboard. The airline Monday ruled out pilot error or a technical fault, but Russian aviation officials dismissed those comments as premature.

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CBS News' national security correspondent David Martin reports a U.S. infrared satellite detected a heat flash over the Sinai at the time the Russian plane went down. The data is still being analyzed in an effort to determine what caused the flash. One possibility is a bomb, but an explosion in a fuel tank or engine as the result of a mechanical failure is also possible.

Some aviation experts raised the possibility that a bomb on board the Metrojet Airbus A321-200 brought it down, while others cited an incident in 2001 when the aircraft grazed the runway with its tail while landing.

James Clapper, the U.S. director of national intelligence, said that while there is no direct evidence of any terrorist involvement yet, it couldn't be excluded that the plane was brought down by Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) extremists in the Sinai Peninsula.

"It's unlikely, but I wouldn't rule it out," he told reporters in Washington.

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An Egyptian military helicopter flies over debris from a Russian airliner which crashed at the Hassana area in Arish city, north Egypt, November 1, 2015.
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Asked if a terrorist attack could be ruled out, President Vladimir Putin's spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, said: "No versions could be excluded."

The Metrojet was flying at 31,000 feet over the Sinai when it crashed Saturday only 23 minutes after taking off from the Egyptian Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh for St. Petersburg with mostly Russian passengers.

Metrojet firmly denied that the crash could have been caused by either equipment failure or crew error.

"The only possible explanation could be an external impact on the airplane," Metrojet's deputy director Alexander Smirnov told a news conference in Moscow. When pressed for more details, Smirnov said he was not at liberty to discuss them because the investigation was ongoing.

Asked if the plane could have been brought down by a terrorist attack, he said only that "anything was possible."

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But Russia's top aviation official, Alexander Neradko, dismissed the company's statement as premature and unfounded.

In televised comments from Egypt, Neradko said it would be possible to draw conclusions about the crash only after experts examined the plane's flight data and cockpit voice recorders and studied the wreckage.

He said the large area where debris were scattered indicated the jet had broken up at high altitude, but he refrained from citing a reason for the crash pending the investigation.

Viktor Yung, another deputy director general of Metrojet, said the crew did not send a distress call and did not contact traffic controllers before the crash.

Egyptian officials have offered conflicting accounts on whether or not the plane issued any distress calls.

Experts say planes break up in flight usually due to one of three factors: a catastrophic weather event, a midair collision or an external threat, such as a bomb or a missile.

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Relatives react after a Russian airliner with 217 passengers and seven crew aboard crashed, as people gather at Russian airline Kogalymavia's information desk at Pulkovo airport in St.Petersburg, Russia, Saturday, Oct. 31, 2015.
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A local affiliate of the extremist Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) group has claimed it brought down the aircraft, which crashed in the northern Sinai where the Egyptian military and security forces have battled militants for years. Both Egyptian and Russian officials have dismissed that claim as not credible.

Still, the U.S., Germany and Britain all had overflight warnings in place for the Sinai. They advised airlines to avoid flying over the peninsula below 26,000 feet and to avoid the Sharm el-Sheik airport due to extremist violence and, notably, the use of anti-aircraft weapons.

British military analyst Paul Beaver said he thought the crash was most likely caused by a bomb on board, because the IS hasn't been known to possess surface-to-air missile systems capable of striking passenger planes at cruising altitude.

"That's a very serious piece of equipment, and I don't think they have that sophistication," Beaver said, adding that the Sinai desert is well-scrutinized by intelligence agencies, so a missile system would have been seen.

Robert Galan, a French aviation expert, said Metrojet's claim of an "external impact" pointed to two possibilities: a bomb or sabotage.

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"Either a bomb was placed during the stopover and programmed to explode after takeoff, or a mechanic sabotaged the plane," he said. "These are the two most probable hypotheses."

Sabotage would require familiarity with the electrical or fuel systems of the A321-200, but hiding a bomb would need less knowledge, he added.

Galan said an analysis of the plane's data and voice recorders -- the "black boxes" -- will not confirm either a bomb or sabotage, as it records only the pilots' communications and technical readings. But he said investigators could know within 48 hours whether a bomb downed the jet because the debris would show traces of explosives.

The plane's operator has a spotty safety record and was rebranded recently in the wake of another deadly accident. The airline, registered as Kogalymavia, changed its trade name to Metrojet after one of its Tu-154 jetliners caught fire in 2011 while taxiing before takeoff, killing three people and injuring more than 40 others.

The Airbus A321-200 that crashed Saturday was built more than 18 years ago and changed several operators before entering Metrojet's fleet in 2012.

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One area investigators will look at closely is whether the tail separated from the rest of the plane in-flight as the result of damage caused by a previous incident in which the tail struck the runway during a landing, said aviation safety consultant John Cox. Such "tail strikes" can cause extensive damage to the aircraft's skin in the region located by behind the rear lavatories and galley.

The incident occurred in Cairo in 2001. Metrojet said the jet underwent factory repairs and was safe to fly.

Cox said monthly maintenance checks typically can't spot a return of damage from a tail strike because the cracks are inside the plane in an area that's not normally accessible during visual inspections.

Instead, tail strike repairs are examined during heavy maintenance checks that typically take place about every four to five years, he said. Parts of the plane are disassembled so that inspectors can see inside. The plane's skin is checked for cracks using a device that employs low voltage electricity or special dye.

"That's a very complex repair and it requires very special expertise," said Cox, a former airline pilot and accident investigator. Investigators will "look not only at whether the repair done properly, but were the inspections of the repair done on a regular basis during the normal heavy maintenance checks."

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If damage from a tail strike returned, it would be in form of small cracks that grow larger with the normal stresses of repeated pressurization and depressurization.

In 2002, China Airlines Flight 611 disintegrated in midair while flying from Taiwan to Hong Kong, killing all 225 people aboard. Accident investigators cited metal fatigue caused by inadequate maintenance after an earlier tail strike as the probable cause of the accident.

The Irish Aviation Authority said the Metrojet plane was registered in Ireland and regulators there found its safety documentation in order earlier this year.

At the crash site in the Sinai, emergency workers and aviation experts from Russia and Egypt searched the barren terrain for more bodies and examined the debris.

Teams finished combing a 7.7-square mile area for bodies by afternoon and expanded the search to a 11.6 square mile area. Russian Emergency Situations Minister Vladimir Puchkov promised they will not rest until all victims' remains are found.

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A Russian Metrojet airliner crashed in the Sinai Peninsula killing all 224 people onboard on October 31, 2015

Investigators from France and Germany, representing Airbus, and from Ireland, where the plane was registered, were to join investigators in Egypt.

White House press secretary Josh Earnest said the U.S. offered support for the investigation, but he added that he's not aware of any resources that have been dedicated to it so far.

"Rather than speculating on what may have led to this terribly tragic incident, we're going to allow the investigation to move forward to try to get the bottom of what happened," he said.

A Russian government plane brought 130 bodies and partial remains to St. Petersburg. The city is holding three days of mourning through Tuesday.

In his first public appearance since the crash, Putin described it as an "enormous tragedy" and said his thoughts are with the families of the victims.

Mourners have been coming to St. Petersburg's airport since Saturday with flowers, pictures of the victims, stuffed animals and paper planes. Others went to churches and lit candles in memory of the dead.

Sunday was a national day of mourning, and flags flew at half-staff across Russia.

[yankeedoodle]

Seems pretty obvious that the jews planted a bomb on this plane, and timed the terror attack to occur when they were doing their "'Largest Ever' Air Combat Drill Nearby."

Surely the Russians were watching this drill very intently and...well, damn, isn't that an amazing coincidence that, just at that very time, one of their planes blows up nearby.

If you listen hard, you can probably still hear the degenerate kikes snickering.

Israel Held 'Largest Ever' Air Combat Drill Nearby, On Same Day as Russian Sinai Crash
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[rmstock]

Seems pretty obvious that the jews planted a bomb on this plane, and timed the terror attack to occur when they were doing their "'Largest Ever' Air Combat Drill Nearby."

Isn't it the case that all the major airports around the globe,
especially in the Middle East are run by Israeli Security companies ?
Is Airport Security not all Israeli companies ?

[rmstock]

Investigators probe crash of Russian passenger jet
by CBS Sunday Morning , Published on Nov 1, 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F_iavgGcHU
  "Russia is observing a day of mourning following Saturday's crash of a jetliner in the Sinai
   that killed all 224 people on board. Allen Pizzey reports the latest developments."

Analysis of Russian plane crash in Egypt
by CBS Evening News , Published on Nov 1, 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKzPB1Ru9eg
  "Michael Morrell, former number two at the CIA and CBS News senior security contributor,
   analyzes what we know so far about the Russian plane that broke up in mid-air over Egypt."

Questions remain after Russian airline crash in Egypt
by CBSN , Published on Nov 2, 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoToe94dcxE
  "An investigation into the cause of the mysterious crash of a Russian jet in Egypt is underway.
   CBS News foreign correspondent Allen Pizzey has the latest for CBSN."

How likely is terrorism in Russian plane crash?
by CBSN , Published on Nov 2, 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFNh5xY2dv4
  "There is no evidence yet of terrorism in the Russian airline crash in Egypt.
   However, investigator aren't ruling out ISIS involvement. CBS News national
   security correspondent David Martin joins CBSN to discuss."

How likely is terrorism in Russian plane crash?
by Amadora Amalea , Published on Nov 2, 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWpElplGfzk
  "There is no evidence yet of terrorism in the Russian airline crash in
   Egypt. However, investigator aren't ruling out ISIS involvement. CBS
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   news stream: all the latest news 24/7 Many factors make it . Russian
   jet broke up mid air Egypt Islamic State Claims shot down .  American
   Intelligence officials said no direct evidence has yet been found that
   would show Saturday's Russian plane crash was an act of terrorism. The
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Probe continues in Russian plane crash
by CBS Evening News , Published on Nov 2, 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPA73W2LMPk
  "U.S. intelligence says it's unlikely terrorism brought down the Russian
   plane that crashed Saturday, killing over 200 people. But the wide 
   swath of wreckage indicates the plane experienced something
   catastrophic. Allen Pizzey reports from Egypt."

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Defense One Summit 2015 - James Clapper
by D1 Production , Published on Nov 2, 2015
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   Speaker: James Clapper - Director of National Intelligence
   Moderator: Kevin Baron - Executive Editor, Defense One"

[yankeedoodle]

This Russian says that it wasn't a bomb, but a computer hack or malfunction.

Airbus 321 in the Sinaï - only one hypothesis remains
by Valentin Vasilescu
http://www.voltairenet.org/article189255.html

Valentin Vasilescu demonstrates here the impossibility of the theory of a bomb placed in the plane. After having explored all hypotheses, there is now only one left – that of a failure in the software of the automatic pilot. We may therefore conclude that the accusations of the United Kingdom and the United States, as well as the claim for responsibility by the Islamic Emirate, are propaganda. The crash was not a terrorist attack. But the problems in the automatic pilot system may be either an accident or the effect of sabotage by an extremely specialised secret service.

Russian investigators brought with them to Egypt a complex apparatus designed to test the débris both inside and outside the plane. This equipment enables the detection of aerosol-based explosives to a level of sensitivity of 20 nanogrammes. If, in the test solutions, there appear traces of a brown-violet colour, the agent is revealed as TNT. If an orange precipitate appears, the explosive is Tetryl, or another explosive from group A (TNB, DNT, picric acid, etc.). The Russian device possesses a range of separate tests for explosives from group B. With this system, the appearance in test solutions of a rosy colour would indicate the use of dynamite, nitroglycerine, RDX, PETN, SEMTEX or nitrocellulose. If the chemical reactions do not identify explosives from groups A and B, the test equipment automatically checks for the presence of components containing inorganic nitrates, such as chlorine, bromine or peroxyde, used in the preparation of improvised explosive devices (ANFO).

The Egyptian daily Almasry Alyoum published a declaration from the team of investigators working on the accident of the Russian A321 in the Sinaï peninsula —the team affirmed that no trace of explosive had been discovered in the débris of the plane, or on the articles of clothing and tissues recovered from the passengers. Thus, the hypothesis conveyed by British civil servants - according to which the crash of the Russian plane had been caused by an on-board bomb, on the basis of the so-called 'interception' of a conversation between leaders of the Islamic Emirate – is proved to be false. The hypothesis of an attack by a missile, either ground-to-air or air-to-air, also collapses, since missile war-heads contain TNT, a substance which was not detected by the investigators. The hypothesis of an explosion in one of the motors must also be discarded, since the turbine blades were discovered to be intact.

The same is true for the theory of the explosion of one of the fuel tanks, since these are situated in the wings, and an explosion to the right or left would have detached the wing from the fuselage. But the wings fell to the ground intact, a few metres away from the anterior part of the fuselage, before catching fire. This fact indicates that they were not detached from the fuselage, and that there was no fire in the fuel tanks before contact with the ground.

Thus, the myth woven by the US television channel NBC, according to which the Pentagon declared that a US military satellite had detected, in the area and at the moment of the accident, a peak of heat and light, turns out to be a lie. Finally, at this point, the Islamic Emirate or any other terrorist organisation, is relieved of responsibility in the crash of the Russian Airbus A321 in the Sinaï,which, apparently, bothers the US and UK governments. Why?

Depressurisation in the plane remains one of the active hypotheses, but only as a result of the plane's chaotic manœuvres, and not as a cause in itself. As I pointed out in a previous article [1], the repetitive pitching movements, with negative and positive overloads beyond anything normal for a passenger plane, are what led to the separation of the exterior panels, the twisting and dislocation of certain resistance elements in the plane's basic structure (central girders, ribs, etc.) and rupture of the hydraulic pipes and hoses fixed to the exterior cladding. In the absence of hydraulic pressure, the plane's crew can control neither depth nor direction. The abnormal noise, discovered during the analysis of the black box, probably indicates depressurisation, followed by the dislocation of some of the plane's parts at an altitude of about 5,000 to 6,000 metres, as confirmed by the impact of large fragments of the plane over more than 2 kilometres in the direction of the flight.

Let's return to 06:12:59 in the progress of the accident, and attempt to decode each of the fluctuations in the flight parametres. It is essentiel to underline the fact that the plane was at that moment flying by automatic pilot. First of all, we note a 3-second descent, with a loss of altitude of 150 metres, which led to a negative overload of 2 G. This manœuvre is too sudden, producing an « air-pocket » sensation, to have been commanded by the flight crew.

The second command was the aircraft's recovery, climbing 800 metres in 2 - 3 seconds, causing positive overloads of between 5 and 6 G, values which only exist for fighter aircraft in close combat situations, and lead to the pilot's loss of vision, known in aeronautical jargon as the « black veil » . In my opinion, it is impossible that this command could have been originated by the flight crew – only a defective automatic pilot could have generated such a climb. If the pilots had been at the controls, after the first brutal descent, they would have redressed the plane progressively, first of all horizontally for 8 to 10 seconds, then climbing slowly to return to their cruising altitude.

The third command consisted of switching from a 40° to 50° climb to a dive of 20° to 30°, with a negative overload of 4 G, and it is impossible for this manœuvre to have been executed by the crew of a passenger aeroplane, because everybody loses consciousness, with the appearance of what is called the « red veil ». The only moments in which the crew could apparently have intervened would have been during the brief moments of horizontal flight – 5 seconds and 3 seconds, if unhindered by further uncontrolled developments. In normal situations, the aerodynamic centre of the automatic pilot will not allow manœuvres which could lead to overloads close to material destruction, whatever commands may be operated by the pilot in manual control. The cause of these chaotic manœuvres can therefore only be due to a dysfunction of the mechanism of the automatic pilot.

Apart from the failure of the automatic pilot's computer, due to material exhaustion, I have explained, in a previous article, that it is possible to take control of the A321 from the outside, by hacking into the automatic pilot's software, either through a previously-installed programme, or via a ground-based transmission. By a strange « coincidence », from the first seconds that the plane's chaotic manœuvres were noted, both the transponder and the radio ceased transmitting. The transponder would have indicated the plane's flight parametres to the air traffic controllers and, via the on-board radio, the crew could have signalled the appearance of an emergency situation and described the plane's behaviour.

However, what led to the dysfunction of the automatic pilot at that precise moment, only the investigating committee will be able to determine.

Valentin Vasilescu
Translation
Pete Kimberley

[rmstock]

This Russian says that it wasn't a bomb, but a computer hack or malfunction.

Well not anymore, as Obama had all the dirty details on the intel at the G20 summit in Antalya, Turkey :

Putin & Obama hold talks on G20 sidelines
by RT, Published on Nov 15, 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3oZXo7cdEA
  "Russian President Vladimir Putin and US President Barack Obama have
   held talks on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Antalya, Turkey
   - READ MORE http://on.rt.com/6wlz "

World News Alert: Russia confirms Sinai plane crash was terrorism
Tue., Nov. 17, 2015 3:40 a.m.
Russia confirms Sinai plane crash was terrorism
"The crash of a Russian jetliner in Egypt last month that killed all 224
   people on board was the result of a terrorist attack, Russia's chief
   intelligence officer said on Tuesday.
   [ ... ]"

Putin announces that a bomb brought down Sinai plane
by rmstock , Published on Nov 17, 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GKmhcUD8ZA
On Monday night, Russia definitively announced that a bomb ripped apart the plane that crashed in Egypt last month. Putin promised to find those responsible, saying, "We will find them on any spot on the planet and punish them." (Reuters)
Europe
Russia confirms Sinai plane crash was the work of terrorists
By Andrew Roth November 17 at 1:03 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/russia-confirms-sinai-crash-was-the-work-of-terrorists/2015/11/17/496286f4-8d05-11e5-ae1f-af46b7df8483_story.html

  "MOSCOW — Russian officials on Tuesday confirmed that the midair
   explosion of a Russian jetliner over the Sinai desert last month that
   killed all 224 people aboard was the result of a terrorist attack.
   
   In response, Russia significantly stepped up its airstrike campaign in
   Syria, deploying long-range bombers from Russian soil to strike targets
   there, and President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday vowed that the culprits
   behind the bombing of the plane would be "found and punished."
   
   Putin also called for greater military collaboration in Syria with
   French forces launching airstrikes against the Islamic State. Putin and
   French President François Hollande are set to meet next week following
   a spate of recent terrorist attacks, including Friday's in France that
   left 129 dead.
   
   At a meeting with Putin, Federal Security Service head Alexander
   Bortnikov said traces of explosives found in the plane's wreckage
   indicated that an improvised explosive device was detonated onboard.
   
   The statement marked the first time Russian authorities have verified
   that the crash was the work of terrorists. Western leaders, including
   President Obama and British Prime Minister David Cameron, said just
   days after the Oct. 31 tragedy that a bomb may have been responsible.
   
   
   
   An affiliate of the Islamic State claimed responsibility for the plane
   crash in the days following the attack, although the claim could not
   immediately be verified.
   
   "We can say conclusively that this was a terrorist act," Bortnikov said
   Tuesday, according to an official transcript of the briefing.
   
   [Terrorism worries turn parts of Sinai into no-go zones]
   
   Meanwhile, in Egypt, authorities Tuesday detained two employees of
   Sharm el-Sheikh airport in connection with the downing of the Russian
   jet, two security officials told the Reuters news agency. The airliner
   was traveling from the Sinai resort city of Sharm el-Sheikh en route to
   St. Petersburg, when it exploded in midair and crashed into the desert.
   
   "Seventeen people are being held," said one of the officials, according
   to Reuters. "Two of them are suspected of helping whoever planted the
   bomb on the plane at Sharm el-Sheikh airport."
   
   Egypt has not confirmed that a bomb was responsible, saying it wants to
   wait until all investigations are complete.
   
   Putin, flanked by Bortnikov and other top advisers in Moscow at a
   briefing of Russia's National Anti-Terrorism Committee, said those
   behind the attack would be brought to justice.
   
   
   Russia mourns after airliner crashes in Egypt
   None of the 224 people on board survived the flight, which was headed
   toward St. Petersburg.
   
   
   [Obama on Nov. 5: 'There is a possibility' bomb was aboard Russian jet]
   
   "We will search for them everywhere, no matter where they are hiding,"
   he said in remarks that were later televised. "We will find them at any
   point on the planet and punish them."
   
   The Russian government offered $50 million Tuesday for information
   about those behind the attack. Neither Bortnikov nor Putin mentioned
   the Islamic State by name Tuesday, although Putin directed Russia's
   military to intensify airstrikes in Syria, where the group's
   strongholds are located.
   
   Russia launched an intervention in Syria in late September to back the
   government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad against its enemies,
   including the Islamic State and a hodgepodge of Islamist and
   more-moderate rebel forces. Dmitry Peskov, Putin's press secretary,
   ruled out a ground operation in Syria when questioned about Putin's
   statements Tuesday.
   
   [One clue: 'Noise' on flight recorder]
   
   Putin also said that Russia would invoke its right to selfdefense under
   the U.N. charter and called on other countries to aid Russia in its
   search for the culprits.
   
   "Anyone who tries to supply help to the criminals should know that the
   consequences for trying to harbor them will lie squarely on their
   shoulders," he said.
   
   The Russian government suspended flights to Egypt on Nov. 6 because of
   concerns of lax security at the airport in Sharm el-Sheikh. The jet
   went down shortly after takeoff.
   
   Russian tourism officials said this week that more than 70,000 tourists
   have returned from Egypt, Russia's most popular tourist destination
   outside the former Soviet Union. They have been ferried back to Russia
   under tight security controls, including a ban on checked luggage, to
   prevent a bomb from being smuggled aboard.
   
   Similar measures have been taken by a half-dozen European airlines.
   
   Russian officials initially urged patience until the investigation
   concluded, but experts said that Tuesday's news had probably been
   expected in the Russian government.
   
   "This will not come as too much of a shock to the Russians," said
   Dmitri Trenin, the head of the Carnegie Moscow Center.
   
   Trenin said that he did not expect the public to blame Russia's
   government for the crash, nor did he think the terrorist attack would
   sharply change Russia's foreign policy.
   
   "The Russians have been living in this atmosphere of potential
   terrorism for a long time, since the 1990s, nonstop virtually," Trenin
   said. "It's not the kind of revelation that the French have just
   experienced."
   
   [Russia bans flights to Egypt]
   
   In Moscow, many people said they believed the plane was brought down by
   an attack even before Tuesday's confirmation.
   
   "I was sure it was a terror act from the very beginning," said Aleksey
   Kalganov, 37, an engineer dressed in a dark blue jacket, checked scarf
   and gray cap. "A plane cannot just fall apart in the air."
   
   Metrojet, the airline managing the Airbus A321-200, made a similar
   argument at a news conference shortly after the crash, drawing a swift
   warning from Russian officials to "abstain from premature statements."
   
   Kalganov said he had always been afraid of flying because of the
   possibility of a terrorist attack and preferred traveling by car or
   train, even over long distances.
   
   "This is their response, and I think that there might be more," he
   said, adding that he believed the attack was tied to Russia's airstrike
   campaign in Syria. "But nevertheless I support the campaign. They are
   crazy there, and we should destroy them."
   
   Others opposed the airstrikes.
   
   "This is terrible," said Elena Lopatina, 44, a manager, when asked
   about the news of the terrorist attack. "But I am not surprised."
   
   "No, I do not support the airstrikes. I am against the operation in
   Syria," she continued. "I don't think we can stop now, but I wish we
   could."
   
   Daniela Deane in London contributed to this report."