Desperate world leaders cosy up to Putin to get him to join the fight IS

[MikeWB]

This reads like it was written by some cold war propaganda but no... it's written by UK's Daily Mail.



Putin comes in from the cold: Desperate world leaders cosy up to Russian President to get him to join the fight against ISIS

    * Barack Obama seen sharing a joke with the Russian President at G20
    * David Cameron meets Vladimir Putin one-on-one for the first time in a year
    * British PM strikes a conciliatory tone in a bid to win backing of Russia
    * Putin accused of using airstrikes to target opponents of Assad and not ISIS
    * Deal agreed to cut off terrorist financing and tackle extremist ideologies
    * See full coverage of Vladimir Putin at www.dailymail.co.uk/putin 

By Matt Chorley, Political Editor for MailOnline

Published: 09:34 GMT, 16 November 2015 | Updated: 15:45 GMT, 16 November 2015

Desperate world leaders cosy up to Russian President to get him to join the fight against ISIS

Desperate world leaders today lined up to try to woo Russian President Vladimir Putin to back global efforts to defeat ISIS.

For more than a year relations with Moscow have been in the deep freeze over Russian incursions in Ukraine.

But now Mr Putin is seen as holding the key to resolving the bloody civil war in Syria which has given rise to ISIS fanatics.

It has led to the spectacle of US President Barack Obama, British PM David Cameron and Saudia Arabia's King Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud posing for photos with the Russian President.

The Kremlin has been accused of using a campaign of airstrikes to target opponents of Syrian president Bashar Assad and not ISIS strongholds.

But world leaders now accept there is little hope of degrading and destroying ISIS without the co-operation of Russia.

Mr Cameron today offered 'compromises' to Russia on the future of Syrian dictator Assad in return for help targetting ISIS.


The British Prime Minister held urgent one-to-one talks with the Russian President over how to resolve the bloody civil war in Syria which has given rise to ISIS fanatics

Mr Cameron and Mr Putin posed awkwardly for photographs at the start of this morning's meeting at the G20 summit in Turkey, the first time the two men have met face-to-face for a year.

Britain, together with the United States, France, Germany and Italy, is trying to reset relations with Moscow which were badly damaged by Russian incursions into Ukraine.

It is hoped the the death of 224 on board the Russian Metrojet Airbus in Egypt last month - thought to have been brought down by an ISIS bomb - will help to secure Russia's help in targetting ISIS.

Mr Cameron offered Mr Putin his condolences for the Metrojet attack and told him: 'We are meeting together after the appalling terrorist attacks in France, and it is clear to me that we must work together to defeat this scourge of terrorism that is a threat to Britain, a threat to Russia and a threat to us all.'

Following the hour-long meeting, the Prime Minister insisted that the refusal of the UK, US and Saudi Arabia to give ground on the need for Assad's removal was not a matter of 'pride or stubbornness' but a recognition of the political reality that he would not be accepted as leader by many Syrians who had suffered under his rule.

'The gap has been enormous between those of us who believe Assad should go immediately and those like President Putin who have been supporting him and continue to support him. I think everyone recognises the need for compromise,' he said.

'That's the gap we have. I think it has been reduced and the talks in Vienna between foreign ministers, I hope, can close the gap still further.

'There is still a very big gap, but I think there's some hope that this process could move faster in the future than it has in the past.'

Mr Putin told Mr Cameron that UK-Russian relations were 'not in the best shape', but thanked him for sharing UK intelligence in a phone call following the Sharm crash and added: 'The recent tragic events in France show that we should join efforts in preventing terror.'

WORLD LEADERS TAKE 'IMPORTANT' STEPS TO CUT OFF ISIS CASH

World leaders have agreed 'important steps' to cut off terrorist financing and tackle extremist ideologies in the wake of the Paris attacks, David Cameron has said.

At a press conference at the G20 summit in Turkey, the Prime Minister said the atrocities in the French capital had 'underlined the threat we all face to our values and our way of life'.

The countries had signed up to measures to bolster protection against the 'threat of foreign fighters, by sharing intelligence and stopping them travelling', as well as strengthening aviation security.

Mr Cameron said he had used talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin to urge him 'to work with the international community and support a transition in Syria away from' President Bashar Assad.

Britain will co-host a donors' conference in London next year to raise 'significant new funding' to address the crisis in Syria, he added.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3320174/Russia-offered-compromises-future-Syrian-dictator-Assad-return-joining-fight-against-ISIS.html

[yankeedoodle]

The trap has been laid.  Headline tells it all.  It says the "west" wants Putin to join them.   Yeah, right...   

Putin doesn't trust them, and he's right.  But, that sets the trap.  Then, somebody will invoke the "George W. Bush doctrine."  You remember, don't you?  "Yur either with us, or yur agin us."

Not cold-war propaganda, propaganda laying the stage for a hot war.

Fucking sick sick SICK SICK SICK...ad nauseum.

[MikeWB]

Hot war between whom? US/NATO will never go into a hot war against Russia. It would be the end of us all.

[yankeedoodle]

It would be the end of us all.

To paraphrase  Billy Clinton, it depends who "us" is.  If "us" is you and me, Mike, that's part of the plan.

Zionists are not one of "us," they believe.   

The zionists think they have it all planned out.  They are so deeply infiltrated in the US - and, Russia, too, perhaps - that they will be deeply involved in conducting the war, and will keep it non-nuclear, or, if nukes are used, they will be directed such that the zionists survive - or so they think.   

Their financial scams have generated so many billions of dollars that they could have used to build fantastic facilities that they intend to hunker-down in.   

The Pentagon, and others, have conducted all sorts of studies about surviving a nuclear war.

Might be wrong, of course.  We'll find out soon, perhaps.

[Michael K.]

 I am reading it a lot like you, YD.  The elite have already booked their passages through the nuclear wars, or so they think.  That's what gives them their exceptional hubris about nuclear sabre-rattling.  It seems as though America will be the focus of the nuclear war, and not the Middle East.  That is because the UN is antithetical to America as a concept, or so it has been much argued from both sides. 

And the UN could convey the legitimacy of its representative power to a leader who is capable of prosecuting a war to disestablish the US-Atlantic power, supported by all of the UN member states as well, a formidable challenge especially if a nuclear first strike leaves the continent practically defenseless.

So, as an American, I would bet dollars to donuts that the war will come home to roost with a vengeance, and my fellow American can forget about money and car and your hot girlfriend that you bang, and go put on sackcloth and ashes and go about fasting and preparing to meet death face to face.

This is still not what I would consider a hopeless situation.  It is only hopeless if we do not take the opportunity to see that we went astray and brought this down upon ourselves.  People have got to get back to the Golden Rule and being good neighbors.  There is hope in repentance.  Because it's clearly going to take a miracle to save us now.

[yankeedoodle]

Michael,
Found www.nukestrat.com - the nuclear information project - some months ago, and it had a pdf that had projections of spread of fall-out and radiation, etc., but, being a dumb-ass, only bookmarked it, instead of downloading it, and now the site is unavailable, perhaps because nobody is paying to keep it on line. 
http://www.nukestrat.com/china/Book-173-196.pdf

[MikeWB]

Nuϲⅼеаr war is not winnable. If it was, nutjobs like General Lemay and others would have started it long time ago. It's not winnable because of second strike capabilities and because of cobalt bоmbs.

There are some zionist think-tanks in DC who still push nuclear warfare as the best option to deal with Russia and China but those are not taken seriously anymore. If enemy struck Yellowstone Caldera, there would be several feet of ash across 80% of America. Other places around the world would get inches and that would be enough to start an ice age.

Unless they all want to live underground like rats for 1000+ years, nuclear option is not an option at all.

For example, recent article from BBC:  http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34797252

US 'real goal'

The US is developing the sea-based Aegis Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) system to counter the perceived threat of short- and medium-range ballistic missiles from Iran or another so-called "rogue" state. Under the plan, air defence missiles will eventually be sited on land in Romania and Poland.

Mr Putin dismissed that Nato argument, pointing to the international deal, agreed this year, imposing limits on Iran's nuclear programme.

"References to an Iranian or North Korean nuclear missile threat are just used to conceal the true plans - their real goal is to neutralise the strategic nuclear potential of other nuclear states... above all, of course, Russia," Mr Putin told the generals in Sochi, a Black Sea resort.

He said Russia would continue developing strategic offensive systems capable of penetrating any anti-missile defence.

According to state-run Rossiiskaya Gazeta, the destructive power attributed to the new torpedo's warhead would fit the description of a cobalt bomb.

That would be a type of thermonuclear warhead with a layer of cobalt-59, which on detonation would be transmuted into highly radioactive cobalt-60 with a half-life longer than five years.

Such a weapon would guarantee "that everything living will be killed", the paper said - there would not even be any survivors in bunkers.

A cobalt bomb has never been tested because of the devastating radiation it would unleash.

"But it can be considered as a means of deterrence - like the Perimetr system, which is on combat readiness, which guarantees retaliation with all of Russia's nuclear forces even if command posts and the country's leadership have been annihilated".