EgyptAir flight 804 disappears en route from Paris to Cairo with over 60 onboard

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An EgyptAir flight carrying at least 59 passengers and 10 crew members went off the radar after departing from Paris and heading to Cairo, the airline said in a brief statement.
"An informed source at EGYPTAIR stated that Flight No. MS804, which departed Paris at 23:09 (CEST), heading to Cairo has disappeared from radar," the airline said on its Twitter.

Flight MS804 left Charles de Gaulle Airport at 11:09 pm on Wednesday Paris time and was expected to arrive in Cairo by 3 am on Thursday. A direct flight usually takes just over four hours.

The Egyptian government has released no comment on the incident so far.

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An informed source at EGYPTAIR stated that Flight no MS804,which departed Paris at 23:09 (CEST),heading to Cairo has disappeared from radar.
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#MS804 operated by an Airbus A320-232 (SU-GCC), delivered in 2003. http://www.jetphotos.net/aircraft/A32X-2088 ...
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EgyptAir tweeted out that the flight disappeared from radar at 2:45 am Cairo time, when the plane was at an altitude of 37,000 feet (11,300 meters) and around 10 miles (16 kilometers) inside Egyptian airspace.

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EgyptAir confirmed that all authorities have been informed of the missing plane, which disappeared near Greece. Rescue efforts are underway.

Egyptian rescue teams are reportedly working with their Greek counterparts to locate the plane.

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Egypt military: Plane fuselage, passenger belongings found
The statement said that debris was discovered about 180 miles off the coast of the Egyptian city of Alexandria
and came after authorities here were forced to retract earlier claims that wreckage from the EgyptAir plane with
66 people aboard had been found Thursday.
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After the Netherlands, also Egypt's Government has now joined that new international air-travel club.
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The Main Dutch Tabloid Telegraaf reports about a Egyptian Stewardess who posted
a strange picture on her Facebook page in 2014 :

Bizar: stewardess postte crashfoto
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Missing EgyptAir 804 plane crash: Flight stewardess feared dead posted bizarre Facebook image of jet crashing into sea
By Anthony Bond   * 12:04, 20 May 2016   * Updated 18:58, 21 May 2016
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-egyptair-804-plane-crash-8012385

  "Samar Ezz Eldin shared the image showing a plane with its nose in the sea on her
   Facebook page

   
   Facebook/Samar Ezz Eldin

   A flight stewardess feared dead after an EgyptAir jet crashed into the
   Mediterranean posted this bizarre image of a plane crash on her
   Facebook page.
   
   The image appears to show a female flight attendant emerging from the
   sea with the wreckage of a plane crash behind her.
   
   It was shared by Samar Ezz Eldin who is thought to have been one of the
   crew members onboard the doomed airliner.
   
   Experts fear it crashed into the sea while travelling from Paris to
   Cairo following a terror attack.
   
   The image shows a plane with its nose in the water and an air
   stewardess walking unfazed from the sea with her luggage.
   
   READ MORE: Live updates as world searches for missing 66 passengers
   
   
   Flight attendant Samar Ezz Eldin
   
   It was posted by Ezz Eldin on Facebook in September 2014 - two months
   after flight MH17 was shot down in Ukraine.
   
   All 66 passengers and crew are believed to have died when the EgyptAir
   plane crashed. There was no distress call before the jet vanished off
   the radar while flying in clear weather.
   
  READ MORE: Heartbreaking stories of the passengers and crew feared dead
   after 'terror attack'
   
   While there is no suggestion that Ezz Eldin is in any way responsible
   for the crash, a leading aviation expert has raised concerns that the
   EgyptAir plane could have been downed following an inside job by a
   member of staff.
   
   Mike Vivian, who is the former head of flight operations for the Civil
   Aviation Authority, said concerns that somebody on the plane or at the
   airport helped launch a devastating terror attack was "a major worry".
   
   
   
   His comments come as officials in France focus on whether a possible
   breach of security happened at Paris' Charles de Gaulle airport.
   
   Speaking on Good Morning Britain, Mr Vivian was asked if it could be
   "an inside job".
   
   He replied: "Well, that is a really interesting question and it is a
   worry that has been in security minds for a long time now.
   
   
   
   
   A still image from video released May 19, 2016 shows EgyptAir Airbus
   A320 SU-GCC taking off at Brussels, Belgium, September 26, 2015.
   
   "It is a major worry and I do not think it is insignificant that lots
   of people at Paris Charles de Gaulle lost their airside pass because of
   radicalisation.
   
   "The question has to be how did they get there in the first place and
   what sort of screening is going on vis-a-vis these airport employees."
   
   Mr Vivian said he believes the plane could have been downed because of
   a hijack situation or a struggle.
   
   He also admitted that despite security around cockpits hardening since
   9/11,they are not completely secure.
   
   READ MORE: Was EgyptAir flight MS804 hijacked? Two sharp swerves
   'suggest struggle in cockpit'
   
   "I would be dishonest if i said it was 100% secure because it isn't."
   
   The attention of security experts is now turning to Paris Charles de
   Gaulle.
   
   Security at the airport was already under review after ISIS launched
   its devastating terror attacks last November.
   
   Wales News Service
   
   Richard Osman, 41, is believed to be among the dead
   
   Speaking to the BBC, Eric Moucay, a lawyer, said militants had
   attempted to recruit airport staff.
   
   "That is clear. There are people who are being radicalised in some of
   the trade unions etc. The authorities have their work cut out with this
   problem," he said.
   
   The missing EgyptAir flight MS804 made two sudden swerves before
   plunging into the sea.
   
   The Airbus A320 fell 38,000ft out of the sky during its doomed trip
   from Paris to Cairo after being downed by a suspected terrorist attack
   , ­aviation experts fear.
   
   British geologist Richard Osman , 40, from Tanerdy, Carmarthenshire –
   who had just recently had a second child – was believed to be among the
   dead.
   
   Egyptian officials said Flight MS804 made a sudden swerve to the left
   then to the right before diving into the sea near the Greek island of
   Karpathos.
   
   
   
   One aviation analysts claimed the sharp movements could indicate there
   was a struggle in the cockpit before the pilot lost control at 12.30am
   yesterday.
   
   But others feared the jet could have been brought down by a timer bomb
   planted before it arrived in Paris – similar to the one the blew up Pan
   Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie in 1998.
   
   As focus shifted towards al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula as the main
   suspects behind the tragedy, former UK air accident investigator Phil
   Giles said: "It's a real mystery.
   
   Read more: What we know so far about the downed jet
   
   "But it sounds like there could have been a device, placed on the plane
   earlier at another airport in some kind of Lockerbie ­situation. It may
   have been placed on board at Paris, though security is very tight there.
   
   "We may see a focus on the airside staff there in the coming days."
   
   
   The route taken by the doomed flight
   
   Aviation expert Jean-Paul Troadec added: "There's a strong possibility
   of an explosion on board from a bomb or a suicide bomber."
   
   But aviation analyst Paul Charles said the plane's sudden ­movements
   before crashing point to an on board struggle. He added: "It wasn't
   ­necessarily a device on board. It would suggest the pilot has been
   involved in some sort of an ­incident in the cockpit."
   
   Getty
   
   Relatives wait for news at Cairo airport
   
   The tragedy came just days after Islamic State ­terrorists, who were
   behind last year's Paris massacre, issued a fresh attack warning to
   France "

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EgyptAir Flight 804: Airline official says debris not from plane
By Michael Pearson, Faith Karimi, Ian Lee and Steve Almasy, CNN
Updated 0549 GMT (1349 HKT) May 20, 2016
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/18/middleeast/egyptair-flight-disappears/index.html

Egyptian authorities: Debris is not EgyptAir wreckage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSksctyFYts

  "Cairo (CNN) — The search for EgyptAir Flight 804 is continuing after
   reports that the plane's wreckage had been found turned out to be false.
   When searchers got close to debris found in the Mediterranean Sea they
   realized it didn't come from the missing airliner, EgyptAir's Vice
   Chairman Ahmed Adel told CNN.
   The Airbus A320, which had 66 people on board, disappeared early
   Thursday as it flew from Paris to Cairo. Earlier, Adel told CNN's
   Christiane Amanpour that the plane's wreckage had been found.
   
   "We stand corrected on finding the wreckage because what we identified
   is not a part of our plane. So the search and rescue is still going
   on," Adel told CNN's "The Lead with Jake Tapper."
   Adel said EgyptAir is not involved in the search and is getting its
   information from Greek authorities and the Egyptian military, but he
   didn't give details on why the debris found in the water was said to be
   from the plane or how that information was gathered.
   The plane was carrying 56 passengers and 10 crew and security officers.
   Earlier, a spokesman for Greece's Hellenic National Defense general
   staff had said an Egyptian search aircraft spotted two floating objects
   210 nautical miles southeast of Crete. It's unclear whether those
   objects were part of the wreckage described by Adel.
   
   
   
   Speculation has centered on the possibility of a terrorist attack.
   "It's very difficult to come up with a scenario that jibes with some
   sort of catastrophic failure. (The evidence so far) leads us down the
   road to a deliberate act," CNN aviation analyst Miles O'Brien said.
   Egyptian Civil Aviation Minister Sharif Fathi said technical failures
   and terror each are possible explanations.
   "But if you analyze this situation properly, the possibility of having
   a different action aboard, of having a terror attack, is higher than
   having a technical problem," Fathi said.

   What happened? Four scenarios

   Latest developments

  -- The pilots have been identified to CNN as Mohamed Said Shoukair and
      Mohamed Mamdouh Ahmed Assem, according to an official close to the
      investigation and a security source. The sources said Shoukair was the
      captain and Assem was the first officer. The head flight attendant was
      identified as Mirvat Zaharia Zaki Mohamed.
   -- Maintenance checks on the plane had been done on time and "no snags
      were reported," Adel told Amanpour.
   -- Checks of the passenger manifest have so far resulted in no hits on
      terror watch lists, officials with knowledge of the investigation told
      CNN.

Search for EgyptAir Flight 804

Countries involved: Egypt, Greece, France, United States, United Kingdom, Cyprus, Italy

Vessels they're using: Military aircraft and boats

Location: Mediterranean Sea, southeast of Greece's Karpathos island
   
   -- U.S. government officials are operating on an initial theory that
      the plane was taken down by a bomb, two U.S. officials told CNN.
      Officials said the theory could change, with one senior administration
      official cautioning it is not yet supported by a "smoking gun."
   -- Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called Egyptian President
      Abdel Fattah el-Sisi to express his condolences.
   -- The airplane "swerved and then plunged" before descending into the
      Mediterranean, Greek Defense Minister Panos Kammenos told reporters.
   -- Greek controllers tried to reach EgyptAir Flight 804 about 10 miles
      before it left the country's airspace and for about 90 seconds after
      and received no response, the head of the Hellenic Civil Aviation
      Authority told Greek broadcaster ANT1 TV.
   
   Donald Trump doesn't wait for investigators to call missing EgyptAir flight act of terror
   
   What happened

   
   11 photos: Search underway in EgyptAir MS804 crash
   
   At 2:27 a.m., shortly before the aircraft was scheduled to exit Greek
   airspace, controllers tried to reach the pilots to transfer control to
   Cairo authorities. Despite repeated attempts, they received no
   response, the Hellenic Civil Aviation Authority said.
   Radar soon lost the plane's signal, just after it entered Egyptian
   airspace, the authority said.

   Timeline: The final moments of EgyptAir Flight 804

   At some point before dropping off radar, the plane swerved 90 degrees
   to the left, and then made a 360-degree turn to the right before
   plunging first to 15,000 feet, then 10,000 feet, Kammenos, the Greek
   defense minister, told reporters
   
   Weather conditions were clear at the time, CNN meteorologist Pedram
   Javaheri said.
   
   More about the flight

   The flight left Charles de Gaulle Airport in Paris at 11:09 p.m.
   Wednesday for what should have been about a 3½-hour flight.
   The passengers were predominantly Egyptian -- 30 in all -- but also
   aboard were 15 French citizens, including an infant; two Iraqis; and
   one from each of the following: Britain, Belgium, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia,
   Sudan, Chad, Portugal, Algeria and Canada, according to Fathi, the
   Egyptian aviation minister.
   The government of Canada said two of its citizens were on the plane.
   The reason for the discrepancy wasn't clear.
   Australian Foreign Minister Julie Bishop said the British passenger
   also was an Australian citizen. It is unclear whether any other
   passengers were dual citizens.
   The Airbus A320 had routine maintenance checks in Cairo before it left
   for Paris, an airline official said. Earlier Wednesday, the jet was
   also in Eritrea and Tunisia, data from flight tracking websites show.
   
   
   
   There was no special cargo on the flight and no notification of any
   dangerous goods aboard, according to Adel of EgyptAir.
   The plane has been part of EgyptAir's fleet since November 2003,
   according to Adel. It had about 48,000 flight hours. The plane's
   captain had about 6,000 flying hours, he said.
   A distress signal was detected at 4:26 a.m. -- about two hours after
   the jet vanished -- in the general vicinity where it disappeared, Adel
   said. He said the distress signal could have come from another vessel
   in the Mediterranean. Egyptian armed forces said they had not received
   a distress call.

   More about EgyptAir
   
   The search

   The area being searched is about 130 nautical miles south-southeast of
   Karpathos, the Greek Hellenic National Defense General Staff said.
   The Greek military was sending two aircraft, two helicopters and a
   frigate to the area where the plane was last seen on radar. The U.S.
   Navy deployed a P-3 Orion aircraft to assist in the search. Egypt's
   military was also involved, and France said it had tasked a
   surveillance plane to help.
   
   https://twitter.com/MarineTraffic/status/733199957486927872
   
   A storm system could affect conditions in the region as early as Friday
   afternoon, Javaheri said.
   As crews searched, somber relatives gathered in Cairo and Paris
   airports, seeking word on their loved ones.
   They were taken to special centers at both airports, where translators
   and psychiatric support awaited. In Cairo's airport, dozens of
   relatives paced anxiously in a building set aside for families. Some
   shouted at photographers taking pictures of them, while others berated
   officials over the perceived lack of information.
   
   Analysts weigh in

   CNN aviation correspondent Richard Quest: "Planes just do not fall out
   of the sky for no reason, particularly at 37,000 feet," he said, noting
   the aircraft vanished while cruising -- the safest part of the journey.
   David Soucie, a CNN aviation safety analyst: The first priority is to
   find survivors. "Find the plane, find the people, see if there are
   folks that could be rescued," he said. "Safety people are looking at
   safety issues, maintenance people looking at maintenance issues,
   security people looking at security issues."
   CNN aviation analyst Les Abend: He said there are three possibilities:
   an explosion, something nefarious or a stall situation. "We're in the
   very early stages of the investigation. Any good accident investigator
   will tell you, just put on the brakes a little bit and let this thing
   unfold. The 360-degree turn, that seems very abrupt. It's not something
   I would do in any major emergency unless I was losing control of the
   aircraft," he said.

   Egypt's aviation incidents

   Egypt is no stranger to aviation disasters.
   In March, an "unstable" man diverted an EgyptAir flight from Alexandria
   to Cyprus. The suspected hijacker later released all hostages and
   surrendered.
   Last year, a Russian plane exploded midair over the Sinai Peninsula,
   killing all 224 people aboard. Egyptian officials initially downplayed
   Islamic militants' claim that they brought down the jet, saying
   technical failure caused the crash.
   And in October 1999, an EgyptAir passenger jet made a rapid descent,
   plunging almost 14,000 feet in 36 seconds.
   The Boeing 767, en route to Cairo from New York, crashed into the
   Atlantic Ocean off the Massachusetts coast.
   Its debris was later found, but speculation remains on the cause of the
   crash that killed all 217 people on board.
   @faithcnn
   CNN's Michael Pearson, Steve Almasy and Faith Karimi wrote from
   Atlanta, and CNN's Ian Lee reported from Cairo. CNN's Euan McKirdy,
   Hamdi Alkhshali, Nic Robertson, Lindsay Isaac, Schams Elwazer, Chris
   Liakos, Elaine Ly, Catherine E. Shoichet, Oren Liebermann and
   journalist Sarah Sirgany contributed to this report. "

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Last updated: 11:02 AM ET, Fri May 20 2016
Officials: EgyptAir 804 Swerved Then Crashed
Impacting Travel | Donald Wood | May 19, 2016
http://www.travelpulse.com/news/impacting-travel/officials-egyptair-804-swerved-then-crashed.html
  "
   
   Photo courtesy of Thinkstock
   
   UPDATE: More details on this developing story can be found here
   
   UPDATE: 12:30 p.m. ET 5/19/16
   
   CNN.com is reporting that several countries are getting involved in the
   search for the missing EgyptAir Flight 804, including Greece, France,
   England, Cyprus and Italy.
   
   Reports have suggested that terrorism is likely to blame for the
   incident, but terrorism analyst Paul Cruickshank told CNN.com that no
   terrorist group has yet taken credit for the plane's disappearance.
   
   In addition, EgyptAir's official Twitter said it could not confirm the
   reports of debris from the plane being found by search teams:
   
   https://twitter.com/EGYPTAIR/status/733320226629165057
   
   ---
   
   UPDATE: 11:55 a.m. ET 5/19/16
   
   According to two sources who spoke with CNN.com, government officials
   from the United States are operating under the theory that EgyptAir
   Flight 804 was taken down by a bomb. The sources said the theory could
   change, as it is not yet supported by any "smoking gun" evidence.
   
   ---
   
   UPDATE: 10:30 a.m. ET 5/19/16
   
   The search for the missing EgyptAir Flight 804 is on in full force, as
   ships and other vessels in the Mediterranean Sea continue to look for
   debris from the aircraft. Two pieces of orange debris have been
   spotted, but they have not been confirmed to be from the missing plane,
   according to NBCNews.com.
   
   United States President Barack Obama was briefed by his Homeland
   Security adviser about the incident and will be given updates
   throughout the day regarding the situation. Officials from the U.S. are
   reaching out to countries impacted by the incident to offer support and
   assistance.
   
   In addition, Russian officials spoke to local media about the crash,
   suggesting it was likely a terrorist attack.
   
   "Unfortunately, another incident with an aircraft of Egypt airlines
   took place today. It was most likely a terrorist attack that killed 66
   people from 12 countries," Russian Federal Security Service director
   Alexander Bortnikov said.
   
   ---
   
   More information continues to pour in about the disappearance of
   EgyptAir Flight 804 and the 66 people onboard. CNN.com is reporting the
   plane "swerved 90 degrees left and then 360 degrees to the right" and
   then crashed into the Mediterranean Sea.
   
   EgyptAir officials say the last contact they had with the aircraft was
   173 miles from the Egyptian coast.
   
   "We do not deny there is a possibility of terrorism or deny the
   possibility of technical fault," Egyptian Civil Aviation Minister
   Sherif Fathy told CNN.com. "I will continue to use the term missing
   plane until we find any debris."
   
   READ MORE: EgyptAir Flight 804 Goes Missing
   
   "The fact that there was no communication — followed by erratic
   movement — leads us down the road to some sort of terror activity --
   that's a high probability," Aviation expert Miles O'Brien told CNN.
   "It's likely that you have some sense here that the plane was disabled
   in some way or there was some sort of struggle."
   
   Speaking to Greek broadcaster ANT1 TV, officials from Greek Civil
   Aviation said they had tried to reach flight 804 just a few miles
   before it left the country's airspace and for another minute and a half
   after it left Greek airspace, receiving no response.
   
   "At 3:37 a.m. local time, immediately after the aircraft entered Cairo
   airspace at 37,000 feet, the aircraft swerved 90 degrees left and then
   360 degrees to the right and descended from 37,000 feet to 15,000 feet
   and then 10,000 feet, when we lost the signal," Greek Defense Minister
   Panos Kammenos told CNN.com.
   
    @DonaldWood "

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News World news Egyptair MS804
Missing EgyptAir MS804 'plane crash conspiracy theory' emerges as it's revealed it's 804 days since MH370 vanished
10:38, 20 May 2016 |  UPDATED 11:01, 20 May 2016 | BY STEPHEN JONES
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-egyptair-ms804-plane-crash-8011492

  "In an apparent incredible coincidence there are exactly 804 days
   between the two flights vanishing - the same call sign as the jet in
   the latest disappearance
   
   
   First picture to emerge of missing EgyptAir Flight MS804 which vanished 804 days after MH370
   
   A bizarre link has emerged between missing EgyptAir Flight MS804 and
   Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370.
   
   In an apparent incredible coincidence, there are exactly 804 days
   between the two flights disappearing - the same call sign as the jet in
   the latest disappearance.
   
   Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 last made voice contact with air traffic
   control at 5.19pm on March 17 2014, before vanishing without trace.
   
   EgyptAir Flight 804 last made voice contact with air traffic control at
   around 2.30am on May 19 2016, before disappearing without explanation.
   
   There are exactly 804 days between the two incidents.
   
   
   Malaysian Airlines MH370 vanished in March 2014, exactly 804 days before EgyptAir MS804
   
   MH370 was a scheduled international passenger plane flying from Kuala
   Lumper International Airport in Malaysia to Beijing Capital
   International Airport in China with 239 people on board. It disappeared
   over the South China Sea in southeast Asia.
   
   Read more: EgyptAir 804 plane crash mystery deepens as there's still NO
   confirmed signs of explosion
   
   It vanished from radar and nothing is still known of its fate, despite
   the largest and most expensive search in aviation history,
   
   
   Wreckage found on the Indian Ocean island of La Reunion is claimed to be of the missing MH370 jet
   
   Many - including families of the passengers - dispute that wreckage
   claimed to have been found as far afield as Mozambique in Africa and
   Reunion Island near Madagascar was from the jet.
   
   Read more: Flight MH370: 19 conspiracy theories about missing Malaysia
   Airlines plane after first wreckage found
   
   MS804 was flying from Charles de Gaulle in Paris to Cairo Airport with
   66 people on board. A search is yet to discover any wreckage.
   
   https://twitter.com/Kev_Andrew/status/733443433956806656
   
   The bizarre link was first spotted by Irishman Kevin Andrew on Twitter.
   
   He wrote: "Flight #MS804 goes missing exactly 804 days since #MH370
   disappeared?
   
   "Oh Christ, the conspiracy theorists are going to love that one."
   
   
   An Egyptian military vessel leads the search for missing Flight MS804
   
   Numerous people have come up with all kinds of suggestions as to the
   fate of the missing MH370 jet in the two years that have passed -
   largely wild speculation that conspiracy theorists have lapped up.
   
   They included:
   
   * The Malaysian PM alleging that the CIA knew the plane's whereabouts
   
   * Claims it landed at a US military base on the remote island of Diego Garcia
   
   * A Russian newspaper claiming it had been hijacked and flown to Afghanistan
   
   * A police chief who wouldn't rule out it being an elaborate insurance scam
   
   If they weren't bizarre enough, others included a predication by rapper
   Pitbull that it would vanish made two years beforehand, that it had hid
   behind another plane on radar, the emergence of a new Asian Bermuda
   Triangle and alien abduction.
   
   It is most commonly thought, although never proved, that the pilot
   'deliberately turned off passengers' oxygen supply' before ditching it
   into the sea. He had cleared his diary ahead before the ill-fated
   flight. "

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News World Africa
EgyptAir flight MS804 pilot spoke with air traffic control 'for several minutes before crash'
Account directly contradicts the official claim that there was no distress call
John Lichfield Paris 2 hours [Sun May 22 16:50:11 CEST 2016] ago 9 comments
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/egyptair-flight-ms804-pilot-spoke-with-air-traffic-control-for-several-minutes-before-crash-a7041936.html

   
   The Egyptian army published photos showing wreckage and debris from EgyptAir flight 804 on 21 May Egyptian army
   
   The pilot of the doomed EgyptAir flight spoke to air traffic control in
   Egypt for several minutes just before the plane crashed, a French
   television station has claimed.
   
   M6 said that the pilot told Cairo control about the smoke which had
   engulfed parts of the aircraft and decided to make an emergency descent
   to try to clear the fumes.
   
   This account directly contradicts the official claim that there was no
   distress call from the plane.
   
   READ MORE
   
   Man describes how 'lucky' he is to have missed the EgyptAir flight
   
   M6's story, quoting unnamed French aviation officials, was not
   confirmed by the French air accident investigation agency, the BEA.
   
   No such information had been passed by the Egyptian authorities to
   three BEA investigators who had flow to Cairo to take part in the
   official inquiry, the agency said.
   
   M6 said that the pilot of the Egyptair A320 had "a conversation several
   minutes long" with Cairo air traffic control after the plane ran into
   difficulties in the early hours of Thursday morning.
   
   As a result of the conversation, the pilot decided to make an
   "emergency descent", depressurising the cabin, in an attempt to clear
   smoke fumes which had invaded the front of the aircraft.
   
   Just after the Paris-Cairo flight vanished on Thursday, there were
   contradictory claims about distress calls or signals. An airline
   spokesman initially said that there had been a distress call from the
   airbus. This statement was denied by the Egyptian military and
   withdrawn by EgyptAir.
   
   In pictures: EgyptAir flight MS804 crash
   
   
   The claims follow reports of leaked flight data showing trouble in the
   cockpit and smoke in a plane lavatory just before the plane crashed.
   
   Officials have cautioned it's still too early to say what happened to
   the aircraft, but mounting evidence points to a sudden, dramatic
   catastrophe that led to its crash into the eastern Mediterranean.
   
   The Egyptian military on Saturday released the first images of aircraft
   debris plucked from the sea, including personal items and damaged
   seats. Egypt is leading a multi-nation effort to search for the plane's
   black boxes — the flight data and cockpit voice recorders — and other
   clues that could help explain its sudden plunge into the sea.
   
   

   Images of EgyptAir wreckage MS804
   
   If they lost the aircraft within three minutes that's very, very
   quick," said aviation security expert Philip Baum. "They were dealing
   with an extremely serious incident."
   
   Authorities say the plane lurched left, then right, spun all the way
   around and plummeted 38,000 feet (11,582 meters) into the sea — never
   issuing a distress call.
   
   The Facebook page of the chief spokesman for Egypt's military showed
   the first photographs of debris from the plane, shredded remains of
   plane seats, life jackets — one seemingly undamaged — and a scrap of
   cloth that might be part of a baby's purple-and-pink blanket.
   
   READ MORE
   
     * EgyptAir flight MS804 crash: With no bodies to bury, families mourn
       their loved ones at memorial service in Cairo
     * EgyptAir flight MS804 crash: Egyptian military posts first photos
       of wreckage showing mangled plane parts and seats
     * EgyptAir flight MS804 crash: Smoke detectors in the toilet and
       window sensors were triggered
   
   The spokesman, Brig-Gen. Mohammed Samir, later posted a video showing
   what appeared to be a piece of blue carpet, seat belts, a shoe and a
   white handbag. The clip opened with aerial footage of an unidentified
   navy ship followed by a speedboat heading toward floating debris.
   
   Flight 804 left from Paris' Charles de Gaulle Airport on Wednesday
   night en route to Cairo with 66 people aboard. The first available
   audio from the doomed flight indicates that all was routine as the
   pilot checked in with air traffic controllers in Zurich, Switzerland,
   around midnight, before being handed over to Italian air traffic
   controllers in Padua (Padova): Pilot — "This is 0-7-2-5 Padova control.
   (Unintelligible) 8-0-4. Thank you so much. Good day er good night."
   
   The communication, taken from liveatc.net which provides live air
   traffic control broadcasts from around the world, occurred about 2 {
   hours before Greek air traffic controllers lost contact with the plane.
   
   Greek officials say at 2:24 a.m. local time the flight entered the
   Athens sector of Greek airspace. Twenty-four minutes later, controllers
   chatted with the pilot, who appeared to be in good spirits.
   
   In Greek, the pilot quipped: "Thank you."
   
   At 3:12 a.m., the plane passed over the Greek island of Kasos before
   heading into the eastern Mediterranean, according to flight data
   maintained by FlightRadar24.
   
   Less than 15 minutes later, about midway between Greece and Egypt, a
   sensor detected smoke in a lavatory and a fault in two of the plane's
   cockpit windows, according to leaked flight data published by The
   Aviation Herald.
   
   Messages like these "generally mean the start of a fire," said
   Sebastien Barthe, a spokesman for France's air accident investigation
   agency. But he warned against inferring too much more from the reading.
   "Everything else is pure conjecture."
   
   At 3:27 a.m. Greek time, air traffic controllers in Athens attempted to
   contact the plane to hand over monitoring of the flight from Greek to
   Egyptian authorities, according to Greek officials. There was no
   response from the plane despite repeated calls, including on the
   emergency frequency. At the same time, a sensor detected that smoke had
   reached the aircraft's avionics, the network of computers and wires
   that control the plane, according to the leaked flight data.
   
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EgyptAir: Flight MS804 Vanishes from Radar While Traveling from Paris to Cairo
by DAHBOO77 , Published on May 18, 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7OEwKM3cfg
  "http://undergroundworldnews.com
   Egyptair says a Boeing 737 carrying 59 passengers and 10 crew
   has disappeared from the radar."

EgyptAir Flight MS804 Vanishes from Radar with 69 On Board
by DAHBOO777 , Published on May 18, 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW7kaodRX5Q
  "www.undergroundworldnews.com
   An EgyptAir flight carrying at least 59 passengers and 10 crew members
   went off the radar after departing from Paris and heading to Cairo, the
   airline said in a brief statement.
   "An informed source at EGYPTAIR stated that Flight No. MS804, which
   departed Paris at 23:09 (CEST), heading to Cairo has disappeared from
   radar," the airline said on its Twitter.
   Flight MS804 left Charles de Gaulle Airport at 11:09 pm on Wednesday
   Paris time and was expected to arrive in Cairo by 3 am on Thursday. A
   direct flight usually takes just over four hours.
   The Egyptian government has released no comment on the incident so far.
   Learn More:
   https://www.rt.com/news/343502-egyptair-plane-paris-cairo-disappears/ "

CRAZY! EgyptAir MS804 Stewardess Posted FB Pic of Plane Crashing Into Sea
by DAHBOO77 , Published on May 20, 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6vYdKaHwFg
  "http://undergroundworldnews.com
   EgyptAir stewardess Samar Ezz Eldin posted a photshopped picture of an
   air hostess in front of a passenger jet crashing into the sea behind
   her on her Facebook page. The 27-year-old was among the first
   passengers and crew on board Flight MS804 to be named.
   Read more: dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3600761/..
   http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-egyptair-804-plane-crash-8012385
   "

EgyptAir MS804 Went Right Through 'Phoenix Express' Exercise In Mediterranean Sea
by DAHBOO777 , Published on May 20, 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-KsA1_Vv90
  "www.undergroundworldnews.com
   Turns out, Egyptair Flight MS804's flight path took them right through
   the area they were holding the Phoenix Express 2016 joint naval drills
   in the Mediterranean Sea. #EgyptAir #MS804
   Learn More:
   http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=94747
   https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2016/05/19/egyptair-flight-ms804...
  "

Greece Issued NOTAM for Israeli Military Exercise On EgyptAir MS804 Flight Path
by DAHBOO777 , Published on May 21, 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSoH6h-stts
  "www.undergroundworldnews.com
   According to NOTAM A0992 / 16 issued by the Greek authorities, the
   Israeli air force has committed a large area within the Athens FIR, to
   do exercises from May until early June.
   More specifically, as you can see on the interactive map of Onalert.gr,
   Israel has committed a very great extent, which lies south of Crete and
   north of Africa line from Alexandria Egypt area up and Benghazi in
   Libya.
   According to NOTAM A0992 / 16 in Athens, Greece grants this periochig
   an Israeli exercise provided be filed normally flight plans by Israeli
   aircraft, in accordance with international regulations, to be in
   contact with Athens and continuously monitor the hazard rate in the
   event that something extraordinary occurred.
   This Puts the Israeli and US Military right underneath the flight path
   and the first ones on the scene. Once more, theses same two military
   groups were also on the ground in Egypt right under the Russian flight
   that went down in the Sinai. I think that speaks volumes! 2 Military
   groups caught under 2 flights that go down connected to Egypt! Actions
   speak louder than words!
   Learn More:
   http://www.triklopodia.gr/israil-askisi-athinon-notia-kritis-dipla-livii-notam/
   https://www.rt.com/news/343866-israel-seeds-fascism-barak/
   http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-and-israel-conducted-war-games...
  "

[rmstock]

The experts in analysis of Airplane Crashes and Disappearances are
of course Veterans Today. Sadly my comments as shown below were
not approved :

Prospective Terror Attacks in Europe and the US
By GPD on May 22, 2016
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/05/22/prospective-terror-attacks-in-europe-and-the-us/

   rmstock May 23, 2016 at 00:45 am cest

   ISIS is nothing but Flare Decoy propaganda to enable  the IDF to have a
   full cleared play- and shooting ground for target practice with their
   latest toys at anything that moves on the ground, sea or air, civil or
   military. That's all folks. MS804 nailed it. The Israeli's this time
   have been caught with their naval fatigue's and pants down. It doesn't
   predict much good for the relations between Putin and Israel as also
   downing of the Russian airliner with 224 aboard in Egypt's Sinai can
   now suddenly be explained by way of the same deceitful modus operandi
   through the same hands. Here's an overview
   http://theinfounderground.com/smf/index.php?topic=21319.0 and look at
   the video of DAHBOO7 mentioning NOTAM A0992 / 16 issued by Greece for
   the dates May : 18, 19, 20, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 30, 31 and June : 01,
   02, 03, 06 granting the IDF exclusive operational control of the
   Mediterranean sea. Guess what .... Egypt was never notified, not by the
   US, not by NATO and certainly not by Israel.

Another plane down – Here we go again
By Jim W. Dean, Managing Editor on May 20, 2016
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/05/20/another-plane-down-here-we-go-again/

   rmstock May 23, 2016 at 00:32 am cest

   It looks like the Israeli's this time have been caught with their naval
   fatigue's and pants down. It doesn't predict much good for the
   relations between Putin and Israel as also downing of the Russian
   airliner with 224 aboard in Egypt's Sinai can now suddenly be explained
   by way of the same deceitful modus operandi through the same hands.
   Here's an overview
   http://theinfounderground.com/smf/index.php?topic=21319.0 and look at
   the video of DAHBOO7 mentioning NOTAM A0992 / 16 issued by Greece for
   the dates May : 18, 19, 20, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 30, 31 and June : 01,
   02, 03, 06 granting the IDF exclusive operational control of the
   Mediterranean sea. Guess what .... Egypt was never notified, not by the
   US, not by NATO and certainly not by Israel.