11pm CET time to do my thing with Phelps

[Travis]

If it emerged that this guy debated from an asylum for the mentally ill I would not be surprised.

[equilibriummike]

nice job Ognir; Zionist are notoriously good on their feet, but you held your own. God that pope shit is annoying, this guy is category 5 moron.

[Magnetar]

This black pope - as you asked in the debate Noel - how and by whom was he 'elected' into power?

Phelps never answered that.

You did a great job exposing this guy at the end. He claims the Pope confesses to the 'Black' pope who runs the CFR that runs the world economy? BULLSHIT - !! That "greater Israel" (the whole Middle East) is or will will be the property of the 'Black' Pope?

I wonder who coaches this zionist?

His despicable comments about the terrorist state of Israel proves, to anyone that knows the real history, he is a shill and an ACTIVE participant in the CRIMINAL jew network.

Did you get the questions prior to the debate?

[Ognir]

Yep the black pope was "Selected"

[Ognir]

ognir2@gmail.com
Dear Brother Eric (& Ognir - I have just come across your email address; please excuse my wording below, exclusively addressed to Eric, as I was going to ask him to forward it to yourself, as this was not just for his benefit)

Due to my heavy workload & extreme hours at the moment, I only just finished listening to your Ognir debate this morning. This was an interesting exchange, not so much from either of your info (most points I was familiar with that you both used - though not all, I am happy to say), but in the way you both related to each other & the questions & assertions put to you both. Two hours was not long enough & the format had its strengths & weaknesses. If you do another one, then I would suggest a less structured one, but one where one of you gets to make a whatever statement you want & then this is turned over to the other to comment on until you both naturally go onto different mattters of discussion. The "times up" subject-change structure is frustrating albeit probably necessary in an initial debate.

I applaud Ognir's restraining himself & keeping within the bounds of politeness, unlike in his "pre-debate rant" & internet postings, which I am sure turn more people off then onto listening to what he has to say, despite what he may think. He had some quite reasonable questions, but I don't think that there was enough time to really provide a full response of how & why you had reached certain conclusions. There were too may "loose threads" left hanging as a result. My main issue with Ognir is that he was dishonest in painting himself as not anti-Jew. One inspection of his comments on the thread related to yourself at Outlaw Forum shows this to be fallacious, as does a listen to his "pre-debate rant". Daryl Bradford Smith is the same. At pains to say that he's not anti-Jew, but at the same time he had, "9/11 was a Jew Job", as well as "9/11 was a Zionist Job".

Also, I should add that I came away far less convinced that he was a paid-up agent (though I still believe him to be wrong in his assessment about the true nature of covert global manipulation). I would be interested though to know how he came to be in Switzerland, as there can't be many Irishmen in Switzerland. This is something that many probably find a little odd shall we say. I'm sure that I'm not the only one who has this thought.

I would like to hear you both further discuss these matters that you touched on in the debate. Matters like the Palestinian Arabs predicament would be good to further expand on & I was surprised that you didn't go into greater detail as to how they & the Jews are both caught between a rock & a hard place when we consider the background of the King of Jordan for example, but I guess that you had time limits, etc.

Masonic & Papal & Papal-loyal Knighthood connections of prominent Jewish traitors were glossed over by yourself & (for those who may not have established these connections through their own research - or lack of it) was not convincingly answered I felt, despite the fact that I know that you could have produced verifiable connections & named more names to illustrate your point. This is the kind of detail that needed further expounding on, particularly those Rabbis & inter-religious dialogue Jews (& Arabs!) who are Knights of St Gregory (& St Sylvester). The French Constantinian Order's associated Royal Order of Francis I is a great example of this interface too.

Ognir's weakpoints I felt were his constant referencing of the Jews controlling finance, but his lack of a comprehensive collection of names & organisations that they control within finance (or to do with the 9/11 operational structure's connection to a "Jewish" agenda that he contends). This was something that you didn't press him on, but I blame the format for this.

There were many missed examples of Jesuit trained individuals & Roman Catholics within the elite policy management groups & even the full extent of Roman Catholics & Jesuit-trained individuals associated with 9/11 that for me make it a solid case that Rome were the ultimate initiators & directors of 9/11 & the subsequent events. From both sides the specifics were not as detailed as they could have been to make a watertight case, although you did present far more as far as this was concerned. Both placed a little too much weight on theory, than presentation of names & connections as evidence. You may disagree, but this was my impression, especially after having listened to your mostly excellent recent financial show(s), where your presentation of facts was far stronger.

Ognir's statement about Jews controlling the media was allowed to slide by, despite the fact that we have a very comprehensive list of the overwhelming Gentile control that is far more accurate & comprehensive than that half-baked Ted Pike "Jews control the media list". Ognir also missed his opportunity to name names & orgs here. He didn't need to though, as this wasn't really challenged.

I also would have liked for you to fully discuss the race separation issue too, including optional race mixing nations, & the relative merits of having the freedom for such choices. Ognir's "pre-debate rant" (I believe he described it as a rant himself) made it clear that he has strong feelings about your unashamed statements concerning race. This is largely due to him not being fully aware of the nuances of the case that you present in this regards, including the many respectable blacks who have advocated this position (& paid the price for it). I have no issue with his stance on this, that is his own business, but if he is going to use this against you , then it is best to dedicate some time discussing this.

Things started to pick up in the last quarter I felt, but by then time was running short.  

If Ognir is happy for a "round two" in the near future, then I recommend that you both take this opportunity. No one is seriously expecting either of you to be won over by the others arguments, but the listener, whether a relative newcomer or a slightly more seasoned reseacher can only benefit from such an exchange.

In truth & awareness -

Troy

[Ognir]

Ognir <ognir2@gmail.com>    Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 9:15 AM
To: "troy_space@hotmail.com" <troy_space@hotmail.com>
Cc: Eric Phelps <eric@vaticanassassins.org>
I'd have no problem doing a second show but not in the same format or on the same station.

Yes I respected the rules of the debate as I'm a man of my word, I made a promise and I stuck to that.

If someone speaks out out about the Zionists/Jews we get labeled Anti-semitic, yet you guys can say anything about the vatican/pope and no one says anything, probably because we can't take you guys seriously.

As for being a Paddy in Switzerland, simple answer is I met a Swiss girl in 84 and moved in 85 and as far as Geneva goes, we have around 2000+ Irish.

As for my pre-show rants and postings, I still believe Eric is a SHILL for Israel, blood diamonds and all and to tell your lies that the banking & media aren't controlled by Zio-Jewish forces make you both look like morons, excuse my French.

Troy you have already wasted way too much time with Leo, wake up and smell the coffee.

Noel

[joeblow]

http://tracker.conspiracycentral.net/co ... nt&id=2929

In this audio, the Beast (Eric Jon Phelps) tries to sound reasonable, but of course he still spouts his regular nonsense. They admit that in their OWN POLL that Ognir (Noel) crushed them as is apparent by their cult-followers starting to attack TiU.

Well, now that the Beast has suffered a mortal wound :lol: , I can now give you a background about myself. I am not Catholic, but I did go to a Jesuit College Preparatory (=Jesuit-trained :lol: ) and have know many Catholic priests and still have found memories of my time there and will always be greatly appreciated to these fine Catholic people.

I have been working in the shadows destroying you Black-Popers, some of my work you recognize: Leo Zagami, Phil, Troy, EJP, et al. The battle has been won, by the anti-Zionists, and the war will end when America falls and the Goyim will take care of anyone who even tries to spread this disinformation in front of them.

I must thank tkra, for without him, it would not have been possible to completely discredit EJP.

Gracias!

P.S.
Does this finally make me a Temporal Coadjutor? :lol:

[joeblow]

http://tracker.conspiracycentral.net/co ... nt&id=2930

Interesting, these two are complaining about how good old AJ and Texe have joined the anti-EJP crusade. Isn't it funny that EJP seems to be attacked around the same time that I started to publicly denounce him?

By the way, did I mention that I grew up in Texas? :lol:

[high_treason]

JoeBlowMan "The Jesuit trained Persian Moslem Texan" Man I loved your Leo Zagami videos "I'm a gangsta, mike man from concen is a dead man walking dry powdered donuts"..... Anyway about the debate I find it painful to listen to EJP's lies and his whole conspiracy is based on fallacy with no concrete proof, everything for him is "oh he is a Catholic" one simple fact erases his entire arguement we don't hear about criminal Jews in mainstream media but all we hear about are Catholic priests molesting children and constant attacks on Christianity and Islam. Great work Og, you crushed the bastard keep it up!

[sullivan]

I would be interested though to know how he came to be in Switzerland, as there can't be many Irishmen in Switzerland.

What sort of clueless moron wrote this? For starters, it is none of his business. I'm sure he would be more than surprised to know how many Irish people there are in Switzerland, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Poland, Russia, Argentina, China, Japan. We do get around quite a bit.

This is something that many probably find a little odd shall we say. I'm sure that I'm not the only one who has this thought.

No, what I find odd is that you feel the need to ask such silly and irrelevant questions, Troy.  Its a case of "must Troy harder", I'm afraid.

[sullivan]

Leo Zagami videos

I was having a great evening until you mentioned *that* name... pffft!  

[joeblow]

Dang! I just remember something about that dumbass Troy, remember when he use to seriously believe that I was actually Ognir? I mean he was really fucking serious about it and was talking to people like "joeblowman used to be an admin at ConCen and did some interviews with Leo".

[joeblow]

http://web.mac.com/secondlieutenant/Chr ... ebate.html

My Analysis of Eric's Debate

According to the highly suspect and unverifiable poll on this site regarding Eric Phelp's debate with "Noel" yesterday, Noel, a.k.a "Ognir", won the debate overwhelmingly.  I was the moderator and I played devil's advocate against both sides even though I support Eric's position that the Vatican runs the New World Order. So allow me now to weigh in and explain why I believe Eric won the debate hands down.

First, let's examine all the qualifications of the people involved in yesterday's broadcast.  I have a Master's Degree in English and my specialty is Composition and Rhetoric.  I have also taken doctorate level  courses in linguistic analysis and composition theory. I have taught composition at the university level both here in America and abroad in Asia.  I also recently spent nine years teaching writing to high school students--the toughest audience of all.  In total, I have a combination of over 25 years of instructional experience, mostly in the realm of constructing and deconstructing the English language as it pertains to grammatical, argumentative, and syntactical soundness.  I know what a good thesis is and what adequate supporting statements are.

Eric has a degree from a bible college and is well versed in theology and Christian doctrine.  He is also a published researcher and historian.  I have read much of his work and listened to many of his broadcasts.  Although, I find some of his prophecy purely speculative and mostly untested, I have repeatedly checked and double checked his claims about biblical history and Roman Catholic history and have found them to be true.  He is very painstaking in his fact gathering and uses a variety of resources and does not rely solely upon the Internet for information.  While books can also be a source of misinformation, they are less likely to be so because publishers do not want to invest in a venture that will be easily repudiated.  That would kill sales instantly.

Noel, on the other hand, who even refuses to tell us his last name (what is he hiding?), seems to rely solely upon the Internet for his information.  When I asked him a couple of times yesterday to identify his sources, he replied that you can easily "Google the facts."  I have spent hours in the classroom teaching students about the fallibility of Internet sources.  I also found Noel evasive in response to a couple of my questions, especially with regards to Zionist expansion in the Middle East.  He redirected my question by launching into a barrage of philosophical positions totally unrelated to the topic at hand.  Remember: these were topics agreed upon before hand between all parties involved.  Also, with regards to the subject of presidential candidates Obama and McCain, he began his position by saying that "he wasn't following the elections that much."  Why then did he also agree to this topic?

If you can believe the results from the unscientific poll on my site, then you must conclude that the people who voted for Noel as the winner were either not listening carefully, or did not know how to dissect a debate, or were just prejudiced against Eric and his position regarding the Vatican and the New World Order.  I am inclined to believe the latter.  We have in argumentation a rhetorical device which is called an "emotional filter".  It is a barrier that prevents the listener or reader from fully embracing the soundness of an argument because of his strong feelings against it.  The debate about abortion would be a good example.  Finally, although we all agreed before the debate that no personal attacks would take place or any mention of Eric's miniscule business dealings with individuals in Israel would be mentioned, Noel, most likely sensing that he had lost the debate, broke these rules and swung below the belt at Eric and brought up the topic which Eric coolly disregarded.  And because of that swipe I can't help but throw my own now.

Noel, a.k.a "Ognir" (without a last name) is Irish although he claims to be calling from Switzerland.  His accent betrays him.  Furthermore, he mentioned supporting the Green Party in the current election.  I was once an active member in the Green Party many years ago before I was saved.  The Green Party supports a far left, socialist, anti-nationalist agenda that attempts to counter capitalism with brute statism.  Remember the Battle of Seattle and the violence that took place there?  That's an example of Green Party activism in action.  Noel's implicit support of the papacy probably betrays his Irish Catholic sentiment, but like most betrayers of that corrupt faith, he embraces another corrupt ideology that makes him, and those of his ilk, ultimate losers unless they become part of the Body of Christ.

Finally, Eric's skilled presentation of his thesis yesterday, in comparison to amateur debates which he participated many years ago in the past, demonstrates his maturity as a debater and pursuer of truth.  I have watched him grow in strength and confidence recently in astounding leaps and bounds and I warn any of the "big" names in alternative media out there who are timidly toying with the prospects of  engaging this man publicly: You are already too late.  Christ is raising His army in the last days and Eric Jon Phelps is leading the charge with confidence, calmness, and sound logic.

[Ognir]

I support Eric's position that the Vatican runs the New World Order.

That was 2 on 1

I have my own recording from my side with the owner of that Mossad front coming in with comments to me that only I heard BUT RECORDED of course so it was a 3 on 1 and their own stupid poll didn't help them

That radio station needs to be looked into.  The owner has a history of land deal scams so one has to wonder about the whole outfit.

Shills for IsraHELL and the Jews, fuck'em

[kolnidre]

I listened while running and made some mental notes about certain claims and sources, but some specifics have blurred. If there's a round two I'll put myself through listening again to help out. Both sides could have done better, but the civil tone was definitely nice for a change.

EJP's sources were in many cases ridiculous, like William Grieder's writing on the Fed. Grieder either misses or ignores key people involved in the criminal financial system. G. Edward Griffin doesn't seem comfortable talking about "the Jews," but he can name the names when pressed. If EJP wants to quote one source's subjective opinions, there are thousands of quotes of Jewish supremacists to counter his, including the one in my signature.

BTW, I thought Ogster would take exception to the wording of the questions that stated his position that "the Jews" run this and that, or "the Jews" were behind 9/11. The distinction of criminal Jews usually known as Zionists, as opposed to people born into a group that believes to be descended from a desert real estate developer, should be made wherever possible.

Suggested reading:
-The First Holocaust - Don Heddescheimer http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/tfh/1.html
-The Jewish Utopia - Rabbi Michael Higger http://www.amazon.com/Jewish-Utopia-Mic ... B00086A542

Both of these are full of the proof of the messianic aims of a segment of self-claimed Jews who happen to be very high on the totem pole.

The Rothschild foundation of IsraHell would also be good ammunition. Texe Marrs did an audio a while back (maybe a couple years) in which he makes a statement like "Israel is the Rothschilds, the Rothschilds are Israel," and he's right. They were buying up land and railroads in Palestine nearly a century before that SLC was formally founded.

[Ognir]

Fuck it, I'm trying to setup a debate between reTARD Tkra from ConCentral and Joeblow, now that would be fun

What say you Joe my lad?

However, Moderator John I might like to deal with myself

Research that radio station and I'm sure we'll find them to be a Zio-Front to shill for IsraHELL
Find some dirt on these fuckers so we can put them out of business and send them all back to their homeland in Birobidzhan :lol:

[joeblow]

Well, now that I've been associating with all the fine folks here, my English is perfect again. I'd love to do it, but tkra might be a little angry at me now, I destroyed his entire Internet Social Network/Life. :lol:

[Ralph Furely]

BTW, I thought Ogster would take exception to the wording of the questions that stated his position that "the Jews" run this and that, or "the Jews" were behind 9/11. The distinction of criminal Jews usually known as Zionists, as opposed to people born into a group that believes to be descended from a desert real estate developer, should be made wherever possible.

yea, i agree.  it sounded like they were setting traps by using those words, and hwne it wasnt corrected, i felt like they were grinning from behind the microphone.
altho he did somewhat clear that up later on in the interview when they were talking about 9/11.  but yea, im sure they love that shit.

[Ognir]

Some *Jews* were involved in 911 just as *some* Jews running the banking system