"....but they are God's chosen people!"

[Roy Hobs]

This is a true story that just happened to me yesterday.  Quick back ground information:  I started speaking out about 9-11 in 2003.  Then, in 2003, I had 30-40 hours of business.  Today....I have less than 10.  My business allows the 'personal' to interact with business.  And I have repeat customers.  I decided out of pure survival to never speak of things outside of business.  However.....I currently have a client who has a 1) Fish on her car; 2) support our troups sticker; 3) and an American Flag sticker.  

I just couldn't take it anymore.  I warmed her up with some small talk about government corruption and other things and then asked her what she thought of the information that is coming out regarding 9-11.  Immediately she looked at me with disdain.  Before I said anything, she accused me of being a Conspiracy Theorist.  I asked her to tell me what one would look like.  She thought about it for a moment and then suggested that a conspiracy is something people do in secret to destroy or disrupt things.  I asked her if 18 Arab highjackers made up a conspiracy.  

"What are you trying to say?" she asked.  

Long story short................in carefully crafted words and phrases, I suggested to her that Israel conspired to commit 9-11.  

"..........but they are God's Chosen People!"  she exclaimed.  

End of discussion.  I dropped it right there.  I won't say another word to her unless she brings it up first.  I figure I probably lost another customer.

My point...................................

This is the world in which I live.  I hear others say that people are waking up.  I just don't see it.  Maybe in other countries, but not here.  I have a circle of influence through family and friends that extends to 4 States and probably equals somewhere upwards of 3000 people.  Not one of them is onboard with the truth.  Neither do they know of anyone who understands the truth.  They all consider me to have a mental illness and they ignore me.  

Where are the truthseekers?  I can't 'personally' name one.  

Sorry to sound depressing.  But I am....it is.

[kolnidre]

I'm on a sports-related forum that has a separate chat room for political and off-topic discussion. You should see how they talk about Pastor Wright, practically falling over themselves to call him a "racist America hater" and describe everything he's said as "hate speech." They're also 90% on board with the global warming hoax.

I posted on there yesterday on a candidates' health care thread, relating that the medical system as it currently stands has totally failed (witness the skyrocketing diabetes, cancer, autism), and stating that I don't want an inefficient and corrupt government mandating anything about my health. I added that McCain, Obama, and Hillary are all controlled and have skeletons spilling out of their closets. I gave sources for everything, but all anyone could do was joke about tin foil hats.

In the real world, I have a local acquaintance whose father has a military background (likely intelligence), has been involved in democracy movements and risked safety and future to do it. Yet I was introduced to a friend of this person as a "conspiracy theorist."

People love to wear those uniforms with their labels. The devil's best trick is convincing you he doesn't exist, I suppose.

[Roy Hobs]

How has this happened???!!!  

Why (speaking of Americans) are we so gullible?  I can't totally buy the "flouride" argument as I was drinking flouride and brushing my teeth with flouride, but yet my eyes were opened.  I can't buy the flawed educational system because I too was a product of it.  And I can't totally buy the Spiritual/Religious argument because I have my doubts about that as well.  

We are we (humans) so ignorant and gullible?  I have yet to hear a plausible explanation.

I am embarrassed to be apart of the 'human race'.  

There is a cute and great documentary about a Hippo called, "Jessica the Hippo".  If you love animals, you will love this documentary.  I don't cry anymore, but I cried watching this.  The owner of the Hippo towards the end of the documentary says.....

"The biggest mistake God made was creating Humans."

I believe it.

[Ralph Furely]

totally feel you.  i get frustrated and disappointed on a weekly basis.  i have a lot of friends, im a DJ, i party every weekend with lots of ppl.
we stay up all night and morning and for the past 4 yrs i almost always get into these discussions at some point throughout the
morning/night.  mind you loaded drunk and up all night probably isnt the best time to be talking/debating on these topics...  or
maybe it is.  i dont know, but i used to sometimes feel like not even going out anymore.  i always end up opening my mouth and
always have to deal with debating multiple dummies at once.  shit gets annoying.
back then it was pretty much just me, telling stories, letting ppl know whats goin on.  but i will say these days i have back up now.
its usually us being the majority now, and just a cpl ppl are clueless and/or trying to argue.  so around here in the 25-35 age bracket, give or take,
it seems like ppl are waking up slowly but surely.  

but i find with a lotta ppl around me, they all accept it, they all see the lies and generally have a somewhat basic
understanding of shit (9/11, JFK, the obvious shit) after i and others have explained it to them enough.  but i dont know if they really give a shit,
or really grasp the seriousness of it all.  im not talking the close friends around me who are all like minded and totally know whats up.  
i just mean ppl in general, around these ages.  my friends, their friends, my little brothers friends.  they all seem to somewhat know.  but it seems to end there.
no real interest or drive or real awareness of just how dire it is.
its like they know, and its kinda just sitting there in the back of their minds...but they just go on as usual with life.
they arent trying to really wake anyone else up, they arent doing any research looking further into shit.  they just know, and thats about
the end of it.


another thing about the sheep who deny anythings up with 9/11 and that kinda silliness.  i think most of them in the back of their minds.. if
they were given a lie detector test or some shit, they know about the lies.  theyre aware that shit was set up.  they know JFK was assassinated.  
they just wont let themselves accept reality.  cuz once they do, its like goodbye to their cozy picture of what their futures gonna be like.  most ppl have
gone to college or university whatever, have great aspirations of whats to come.  got their education, got out into the working field, started their career, wait
for retirement and overall have a fabulous life.  the white picket fence and family shit.  the retirement yrs down the road, the RRSP's they cant wait to cash out
when theyre old.  
if they accept whats really going on and whats obviously to come, they cant think of that shit anymore.  they know that great future just aint
gonna happen.  and that disrupts everything.  so its a lot easier and a lot more fun to pretend like its not going on.
and deny all the obvious evil insanity happening in front of their faces.


anyway, good thread

[Roy Hobs]

Ralph --

Are you in the States?  I sincerely hope that the younger generations, as you say, are indeed waking up.  I am in my 40's.  The people I interact with on a daily basis are not waking up.  

The person I speak of in this post recently made another comment via Email.  I sent her a link to a little movie called, "The Meatrix".  It is about Corporate Farming.  The point of me sending the link was to introduce her to an idea of taking a pill that would open her eyes to the real world.  

This is what she wrote:

very cute movie - and in some areas I definitely think I can handle the red pill - other areas - maybe - I like my life - it's very blessed, safe, calm, peaceful, easy, happy, fun, fulfilling - why would I want to turn my back on all of that?  Sometimes ignorance is bliss. What benefit is it to me to "learn the truth", or "have my eyes opened"?  How will my life be affected/changed if I believe I am being lied to and seek to learn "the truth"?  


I believe this statement says much about the American Psyche.  And also this person advertizes her christian faith.  Can you imagine Jesus saying something such as this???!!!  These people claim to believe in Jesus but have no idea of who he was, and what he proclaimed.  

I believe until America sees troubled times, she will never rise up, nor wake up.  And I believe the Jewish/Zionist Cabal is very aware of this.  

There is no question in my mind now that this Continent will see another Civil War in my lifetime.  I just hope that the people will then wake up and know their true enemy.  Rather than fighting one another.

Think about how stupid those Americans were during the Civil War.

How did they pull that off?!!!!!!!!!!!

How did the Jews create that kind of environment where they get brother killing brother??!!!!!!!!!

Amazing.  

I'm still waiting to hear someone tell me how humanity transformed itself into Sheep.  It blows my mind.

[kolnidre]

Speaking of the chosen people crap, can someone please cite the relevant passages of the Bible (Old and/or New Testament) that are supposedly used as the basis of that ridiculous claim? Scofield Bible doesn't count, hehe.

[joeblow]

This thread really depresses and reminds me why I left America. In real life, I'm really rude and agressive, but for many years I tried to kindly wake people up. It was only near the end (like around 7 years ago) that I got mad and went crazy on the uninformed. I didn't care how I sounded or even if I was helping them. Now, I think I have a good mix and have been alot more successfull.

[Ralph Furely]

Im in Canada, the east coast.  maybe its cuz ppl are a lot more laid back here than id imagine them to be in the states. ive never
been but i have been fed a steady diet of americanism my whole life.  but i really dont know.  then again, i see the same with older ppl.
like my parents for instance.  they certainly dont seem interested.  well my dad does, but not overly.  he just retired from a life in the Navy,
so when i told him shit about the USS Liberty yrs ago, he was definitely interested and couldnt believe hed never even heard of this
situation.
but i also gave them a copy of 9/11 Mysteries like 3 yrs ago for christmas, and im pretty sure it has sat in the same spot since.

what that woman wrote back to you i think was exactly what i was saying.  pretty uncanny actually.  i think this is the main problem with these ppl.
they dont give a fuck.  why should they?  leave them alone and let them go on living their comfy life.  thats the idea im getting from them.

what a shame that is.


as for the public being transformed, i suspect it has a lot to do with television.  that has raised all of us, old and young alike, and installed a certain
mind frame/moral code that is pretty disgusting and pathetic.  and we all have it.  just some of us were able to snap out of it a bit i guess.
i dont know im just tryin to come up with reasons here.  they obviously know what they are doing on a mental aspect and have fucked all our minds up, some
to the point of no return i suspect.

[sullivan]

Speaking of the chosen people crap, can someone please cite the relevant passages of the Bible (Old and/or New Testament) that are supposedly used as the basis of that ridiculous claim? Scofield Bible doesn't count, hehe.

The Bible is full of ready excuses for racial supremacy and so-called backing for the ridiculous claim and the attendant concept of the divine real-estate agent! Ummm.... let's see....

From the  Old Testament/Covenant:

Exodus 19, verses 5 and 6 'Now then, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be My own possession among all the peoples, for all the earth is Mine; and you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.' These are the words that you shall speak to the sons of Israel."

(trouble is, they didn't keep the covenant)

Deuteronomy 7:6 "For you are a holy people to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth."

Isaiah 43:20 "The beasts of the field will glorify Me, The jackals and the ostriches, Because I have given waters in the wilderness And rivers in the desert, To give drink to My chosen people."

From the New Testament/Covenant:

1 Peter 2:9 But you are A CHOSEN RACE, A royal PRIESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, A PEOPLE FOR God's OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;

[mastermg]

Im in Canada, the east coast.  maybe its cuz ppl are a lot more laid back here than id imagine them to be in the states. ive never
been but i have been fed a steady diet of americanism my whole life.  but i really dont know.  then again, i see the same with older ppl.
like my parents for instance.  they certainly dont seem interested.  well my dad does, but not overly.  he just retired from a life in the Navy,
so when i told him shit about the USS Liberty yrs ago, he was definitely interested and couldnt believe hed never even heard of this
situation.
but i also gave them a copy of 9/11 Mysteries like 3 yrs ago for christmas, and im pretty sure it has sat in the same spot since.

what that woman wrote back to you i think was exactly what i was saying.  pretty uncanny actually.  i think this is the main problem with these ppl.
they dont give a fuck.  why should they?  leave them alone and let them go on living their comfy life.  thats the idea im getting from them.

what a shame that is.


as for the public being transformed, i suspect it has a lot to do with television.  that has raised all of us, old and young alike, and installed a certain
mind frame/moral code that is pretty disgusting and pathetic.  and we all have it.  just some of us were able to snap out of it a bit i guess.
i dont know im just tryin to come up with reasons here.  they obviously know what they are doing on a mental aspect and have fucked all our minds up, some
to the point of no return i suspect.

Its not only the TV that sets up a moral frame. There were ignorant close-minded sheeple in the 1800's as well im pretty sure. Its the people that choose wheather to open their eyes or not. No one can force them to ignore real world problems. TV, the media, the education system, multimedia and entertainment, all these things can be used by the devil to make a person ignorant of whats really going on, but the person chooses which side to take. For Americans to wake up, make gas $9 a gallon and have the US government send 3 nukes to different countries and MAYBE they will start to realize that something is wrong.

[Ralph Furely]

word.  i was being lazy and quick with my post.  definitely TV is not the only thing, but all of this shit together is enough to cloud anyones mind.
no education, mind control media all around, and on and on.

[Roy Hobs]

mastermg wrote:

"TV, the media, the education system, multimedia and entertainment, all these things can be used by the devil to make a person ignorant of whats really going on"



So.................it's a "spiritual" blindness in your opinion?  

I'd really like to solve this whole problem without speaking in abstract things.  I'm not discounting what you believe.  I just don't want to make our problem something spiritual.  

If it is the "Devil".  Then whose devil?  The christian version?  The Islamic version?  Etc., etc.  

I'd like to believe that this is a human problem that can be solved by humans.

Thanks for your opinion, however.

[joeblow]

I know atheism is very cool now, I live in Europe and on Sundays the church is the most empty place you can find. It is encourage by our masters, the elites (and this is 100% proven, don't make me paste hundreds of links/sources!) know that God exists and hate him, therefore they love Satan.

[mastermg]

mastermg wrote:

"TV, the media, the education system, multimedia and entertainment, all these things can be used by the devil to make a person ignorant of whats really going on"



So.................it's a "spiritual" blindness in your opinion?  

I'd really like to solve this whole problem without speaking in abstract things.  I'm not discounting what you believe.  I just don't want to make our problem something spiritual.  

If it is the "Devil".  Then whose devil?  The christian version?  The Islamic version?  Etc., etc.  

I'd like to believe that this is a human problem that can be solved by humans.

Thanks for your opinion, however.

All the devils are the same. The Muslim version of the devil is the same as the Christian's. I know some people dont believe in the devil, but it makes logical sense to me and its in all three monotheistic religions so I dont doubt it. I do have my theories on the devil, I believe they are from a different dimension which explains why they can see us but we cant. I believe they are made of electricity like how we are made of Earth, which explains their instant travel. In the Quran, it says that He created the Jinn from a smokeless flame, which I theorize to be electricity. They influence us subconsciously, in religious words, they speak in our hearts.

[Rockclimber]

Speaking of the chosen people crap, can someone please cite the relevant passages of the Bible (Old and/or New Testament) that are supposedly used as the basis of that ridiculous claim? Scofield Bible doesn't count, hehe.

The Bible is full of ready excuses for racial supremacy and so-called backing for the ridiculous claim and the attendant concept of the divine real-estate agent! Ummm.... let's see....

From the  Old Testament/Covenant:

Exodus 19, verses 5 and 6 'Now then, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be My own possession among all the peoples, for all the earth is Mine; and you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.' These are the words that you shall speak to the sons of Israel."

(trouble is, they didn't keep the covenant)

Deuteronomy 7:6 "For you are a holy people to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth."

Isaiah 43:20 "The beasts of the field will glorify Me, The jackals and the ostriches, Because I have given waters in the wilderness And rivers in the desert, To give drink to My chosen people."

From the New Testament/Covenant:

1 Peter 2:9 But you are A CHOSEN RACE, A royal PRIESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, A PEOPLE FOR God's OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;

Food for thought since you only posted those refereneces. I posted this on another forum some time ago. It's worth reading even if you aren't a Christian, because it's my belief that Christians have been duped, and this explains in part why. (I took notes and typed this down after listening to a man by the name of Steve Wohlberg):

Galatians 3:28

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Ephesians 2: 14-16
For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16and that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Romans 10: 12, 13
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

In John 3:16 he was talking to the Jews:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

1948 Israel
Did God really give his seal of approval so to speak?

The belief today is (and since the time of 1948) that God regathered Israel, even though they were in unbelief.

Hebrews 13:8 states Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Bible history always shows that God would not fight for Israel when they were in unbelief, and would not bring them in the land when they were in unbelief.

Moving forward to 1948, are we saying that God changed? Israel is in unbelief today and roughly 99% of the people are secular.

People believe that because Israel won battles that God somehow had a hand in it. If that were the case, couldn't the same be said about Hitler? Germany won many, many battles did they not? That doesn't mean that God was behind Hitler, nor does it mean he was behind Israel. (and on that note, we have been taught a different history about Israel's battles, the first battle in 1948 there were 90,000 + Israeli's fighting 60,000 + arabs...so who was over-matched? In 1967, Israel pre-emptively struck their enemy and had the backing of the U.S., a super power.)

Did God use the U.N., who openly wants a NWO, to fulfill Bible prophecy?

Deuteronomy 30: 1-3 is are the verses referenced by people to suggest this is the 1948 prophecy. Let's have a look at those verses:

1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,


2 And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul

3 That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.

Ok, looking at verse 2, is Israel really obeying God, and with all thine heart and soul? If 99% of it's people, primarily Jewish Zionists, are secular, and the remaining percentage are Orthodox, or Talmudic Jews, aren't they still rejecting Christ, who is God? This is where Christian Zionism started and it is my belief that Christian's are not reading scripture.

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

I would highly suggest Wohlberg's book at this point as it shatters the 1948 doctrine and I can hardly do it any justice. The book goes in depth to explain this false doctrine with clarity.

Ezra and Nehemiah both followed God and the scriptures when God brought them back.

It is a superficial theology to believe that God would show favor to a secular theology (zionism). Jesus said if you don't repent you will perish. How could a secular people be the apple of God's eye? They live in as much sin as the United States, hardly the apple of God's eye.

In John Chapter 8, verse 44, speaking to the Pharisees and Sadducees:

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

He denouced their beliefs then, so if he doesn't change, he denounces their beliefs now.They are not a spirit filled people.

Something else the Christian Zionists need to understand is the fact that it is against the law to proselytize in Israel. Is God behind this? Preventing people to bring him to His Son? Jesus is the Lamb of God.

Do not worship your pastors. James 3 states that those who teach wil be judged more strictly. Worship Christ. Your pastors and preachers are teaching a false doctrine.

Ephesians 2: 14-17 (repeated)

These verses break down the wall between Jew and gentile and through the cross brought us together as one:

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

Hal Lindsay believed that Matthew 24:32 (fig tree parable) refers to the 1948 delusion and he also believed that 40-years after 1948 that the rapture would come. Didn't happen, but as Steve points out in his book, there is only 1-coming and that the rapture is another delusion.

However he, (Lindsay) only looked at one verse but there is another. Lets compare the two:

A reference to just Israel?

Matthew 24:32
Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

Luke 21:29
And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;

Jesus also said in Matthew 24, "Let no man deceive you" but apparently Lindsay and many, many others glossed over that.

It is Steve's contention, among others, that the rapture, tribulation and 1948 are all false prophecy due to mans misinterpretation.

Genesis 12:

Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

2And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

First off, God was talking to Abraham. Many use this as a way to hinder us from cursing Israel. Steve suggests that the meaning here is that: all families of the earth shall be blessed since Jesus is the blessing coming through the blood line of Abraham. We cannot ignore this part of the scripture either:
and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

[Roy Hobs]

I was really hoping that this Post would not turn into a Religious discussion.

My problem with "settling" on our problem being "Spiritual", or "Religious", is that I believe this makes people powerless.  

If you are a Christian, as an example, then everything that is happpening to us is "meant to happen", therefore there is nothing I/we can do about it.  

I know this to be true because my entire family believes this!  They are all "powerless" to stand up and fight.  And "fighting" could simply mean educating your neighbor.  They won't even do that!

If we constantly point to the Bible, or some other religious text to explain the Evil Monster of Talmudic Judaism, then they will win.  Because the people will do nothing.  It becomes a power beyond our own capabilities.  When I fully believe that we can stop them.  If the mass knew, it would be as simple as ordering the Military and the Police to round them all up and try them.  Period.  Simple.  These are just men.  Men who have connived their way into authority, power and wealth.  


By the way.................in regards to Steve Wholberg (not that it makes null and void those passages referenced), this is also what he wrote in the book that is quoted here:

"....In the wake of the September 11 attack on the World Trade Center in New York City, Americans are now acutely aware of the frightening power of militant Islam and its Al Qaeda terrorist network. Considering the global influence of

[Ralph Furely]

great post.

[humanparable]

Humans transformed into sheep when they declined into the current state of consciousness.  I would say approximately 3,000- 4,000 years ago.  This fall from to total awareness into blindness gave rise to the control of the masses through religion and eventually politics.  Any truth seeker that still spills the vile puke of religion is still in blindness for god does not need the words of man to communicate, and has no need for a Holy Book.  If this offends anyone personally I apologize, but truth tells no lies.  There have always been a few awake people to the true realm of the universe but the current consciousness of humanity looms in darkness.  There is hope as we come out of the dark and back into the light, for we are all a part of a collective consciousness and each mind that is awakened brings more light to the whole of humanity.  I personally have found more and more people are slightly aware to whats going on and more open to discussing facts and letting go of fiction.  It is not an easy battle because it is a personal battle that must be fought on a daily basis in ones own mind.  Just one man's opinion.

[Roy Hobs]

Humanparable...................

thanks for trying to 'solve the riddle' for a lack of a better term.

"How did/do people become sheep?"  That was/is the question.  

I have a feeling however, that your answer/response will open up a can of worms that I'm really not willing to discuss on this particular Post. It's too abstract of a concept.  Although I would be curious to ask you a few questions.  Perhaps I will PM you.  

Thanks Humanparable for responding.

[high_treason]

I'm in the Middle East, most people here know of the zionist conspiracy but fail to do anything about it which IMO is even worse than not knowing or not wanting to know. There is even a trend these days for the "anti-semitism" thats been going around with the youth being brain washed into believing that israel can co-exist with us!!

For instance I open up a topic about banks since most people I know are indebted to them with credit cards and loans, I tell them how banks work and how bad it is but most of them just go like "yes we know" but no action. But I did manage to convience my family and a few friends so I do have a few small victories.

[Roy Hobs]

High-Treason.............


Are you a Muslim, if I may ask?  

Something that makes my head spin more than anything else is the lack of response by the Muslim community.  I don't know how "Islam" can take this???!!!  

Being blamed for all the woes in the world, and not sticking up for yourselves (Muslims), just blows my mind.  

For example...........

Where is Cat Stevens (sorry I don't know his Muslim name)??

I think even once he was refused entry into the States because he was on a 'no-fly' list.  

Surely by now he (Cat Stevens) must have heard of an Israeli conspiracy in 9-11.  

Where is his outrage???  He must have money enough to go against the Zionist/Jewish media.

How about the Saudi's???  

Surely they are rich enough to by-pass Zionist/Jewish media...............

Why are they not flooding the airways/markets with documentaries and information about Israeli crimes?  I just don't get it.   If I was being falsely accused of something, I would die defending my innocence.  And I would fight to maintain my dignity.  

High-Treason...............if you are not a Muslim, surely you are surrounded by them.  Can you start asking Muslims why they are not totally outraged?  

Thanks for responding to this post.  Roy

[high_treason]

I am a Muslim, but the most troubling thing here is that they have more control than they do in the West. Sure they let us print a few articles here and there or make a film about whats happening in Palestine but we can go no further than that. In the past they used to talk about war with israel now they talk about how to please them...allow me to demonstrate some examples of how our governments are controlled I will use Egypt since it is where I was born and raised and most familiar with.

- Any Egyptian exports in textiles have to have 12% of it made in israel.

- A crypto Jew minister of agriculture Youssef Wally bought tonns of DDT and other chemicals and  sprayed with it our lands causing catastrophic amounts of cancer especially to children.

- The only so called opposition to the government that gets any press are the socialist party (we all  know who these are) and the muslim brotherhood which is a CIA front.

- In the Arab the Friday Sermon is given to the Imams one day before so all would not deviate to any politics or world events and speak instead of other things that are logical like love your parents, neighbours and all that.

- Sinai was taken back after a long and bitter war that saw countless Egyptians bleed for it only to now be given back to israelis as investors

- israel has shot and killed Egyptian border guards on sooooooooo many occassions with no response from the Egyptian government and israel never apologized for any.

- The scholars for dollars (government Imams) say yes to anything the government says when there was a big stirr in the early 90s about the usury of the banks the grand mufti of Al Azhar came out and said no its different with no explaination.

Thats just some of it I could go on and on but we are living in advanced stages of control you guys still have a chance atleast.

P.S. Butrus Ghali the ex UN head is married to a member of the tribe and his son is now the minister of economy in Egypt no wonder it hasn't seen any improvement!

[Canard]

To my religions friends I apoligize but my argument is pretty simple.  This is not directed at them, but Im about to get blunt.  I tell them, the chosen assholes,  fuck that book and what it says, I don't adhere to the unprovable fantasy.  If your god said you can kill at will, which there's does, he's an asshole and I don't care for his politics.  Endorsing delusions is YOUR fault, if you engage in such activity, they have used this crap to get to where they are today.  You folks know everything must change if we are to make a dent in this; entertainment, politics, religions too.  It has to look like L.A after 2029 in the Terminator films thats what we are endorsing, get your heads right folks, this isn't gonna be, we write a few effective blogs and everyone stops claling us Anti-Semites and Cter's.  99% of the time it feels like this;  :headbang: .  It's not fun, it's not gonna be fun, I know many of you commented on ppl talk shit to you, me too plenty of people I respect(ed).  The truth isn't pretty, leave things how they are or do something to fight for a REAL future, both options are going to suck and none guarantee a hot fudge sundae at the end,...so to speak.
Be well fellow warriors.

[Roy Hobs]

High Treason.........

Thanks for the information regarding the 'climate' in the Middle East.  Unbelievable.  I can't get my head wrapped around it yet.  

It amazing to think about how much we outnumber them, but yet they are able to keep us down.  

Again..............goes back to the reason why I wrote this Post in the first place.

 --  "How did mankind become sheep so easy?" --

I'd like to think that our ancestors were smarter and braver than we.  But perhaps humankind has been 'sheep-like' since the very beginning.  

I'm embarrassed to be human.  I have so much more respect for the animal kingdom.  

I guess when the Creator created Man and Woman, he was joking.  

Thanks everyone for writing on this Post.  Roy.

[Canard]

I am a Muslim, but the most troubling thing here is that they have more control than they do in the West.

They sure do; we could list for days the puppet leaders they have installed, it's not really jew against gentile or muslim against west like they say, it's rich against poor with one elite group that gets the exception,($$$ prizes, minority status ((only when they want it)), uncensored hate speech, favortism in legal system, major influence of the supreme court) our friends da poor oppressed j00s.

[AbdulHaq]

How about the Saudi's???

Surely they are rich enough to by-pass Zionist/Jewish media...............

The Saudi's are Zionists, they are a Puppet family put in charge by Britain, there's even a rumor about them being cryptos.
Also, their Wahabi brand of Islam is a British creation.
All Arab governments, bar none are treasonous Zionist scum