Learned helplessness and my problems with Daryl

[active_indolent]

Let´s get one thing straight: I think Daryl is a good guy. If it weren't for him I´d still be asleep. I appreciate all his efforts to disclose the truth. And I don´t think that he does the things I will write about on purpose.

That being said (as he use to say), there are some things that I actually think he do in a wrong manner.

I´m been  listening to his latest shows and he never points to any real solutions. There´s no message of hope or any signs of a positive way forward a constructive goal. Things are bad and they are going to get worst. Get a gun, dig a trench, store food and live in a cage. The wolfs are all over the place and there´s nowhere to hide. So stockpile your groceries and don´t trust anybody but your nearest friends and put a fence around your house. That´s pretty much sums it up for me.

Again, note that I don´t think he does this on purpose. I do think that thats the way he perceive the reality – and I have sympathy for that: He´s been having a tough time and have exposed some terrible things. It´s easy for me, being anonymous, to judge him and demand that he shouldn´t be afraid. Shit – I´m afraid, even though I´m anonymous. So I don´t blame or judge him.

But having that his approach can lead to  learned helplessness. And I think this psychological tool is one of the "master race" most efficient ones.

"Many years ago, long before some of the legislation regarding harm of animals, some psychologists conducted research projects. In one of them, they placed a dog in a cage which was fitted in the middle with a vertical grate that rose to half the height of its walls. The psychologists had rigged a device that would give the dog a small electric shock. When the dog received the shock, it would jump over the center grate to the other side of the cage. The psychologists would then move the dog to the original side of the cage and give it another shock.

This process was repeated over and over again. Then the researchers decided to change the rules.

The dog was placed on the original side of the cage and given a shock. When it jumped over the grate, however, it was then given another shock on that side of the cage. It didn't take long until the dog didn't bother to jump over the grate. It knew that no matter which side of the cage it was on, there would be a shock over which it had no control.

The dog lay down in the corner of the cage and just took the shocks as they occurred.

Finally, the researchers opened the door of the cage to let the dog out. How surprised they were to watch the dog continue to lie in the corner and not even try to leave. The dog had developed what we term as "learned helplessness"."

http://ezinearticles.com/?What-is-Learn ... id=1728114

Here´s a video showing how easy this technique is to apply:

[youtube-uk:10ji2i3c]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=p6TONVkJ3eI[/youtube-uk:10ji2i3c]

So what I´m trying to say is that dispite all his good sides, Daryl actually indirectly and not knowingly make people feel helpless and continue to stay in the cage dispite increasingly higher doses of voltage from the master. And I think it´s dangerous to be lead by  a authority figure that have very few ideas on how to get out of the cage. I hope this forum can be a constructive way to show alternatives and hope for the future. I think we will otherwise will continue to be locked in the cage even though the gate is open . It´s easy to be a prisoner by your own choosing as the "Stanford prison experience" shows (note how they make references to  Hollyhoax):

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 3481&hl=sv

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

I'd say that DBS is doing all that he can do at this point.  And he's done a lot in warning people. Actually, if you read a lot of economics, you might find situations developing that are actually quite worse than what DBS describes.  Also, if a "MadMax" type of environment develops (particulary in the USA) it will be very racial in character, since most AAs are prone to riot and loot when the food cashflow dries up.  The act of buying a gun is the very opposite of "learned helplessness". I think this is a good recommendation, not for the need to point a gun at anybody who approaches your home, but for the need to actually go hunt your food and be even marginally self-reliant if the day comes where you are "living off the land" as DBS has warned.  Major cities and most suburbs will not be pleasant places to be if the logistics and distribution systems break down. Or, if you have to go to APC carrier on corner to get your meal ticket.  If anything, DBS is warning people not to go the APC as commanded but to be marginally self-reliant and to look for like-minded people that will help out.

My grandfather told me stories of how he and his brothers fed my relatives during the Great Depression by hunting deer, rabbits, squirrels and pheasant.  Accurate shooting was "eat" or go hungry. If you do what you need to do to survive without a Government truck coming by, you take care with your aim and ensure you don't miss.  Sadly, he would later used his exceptional shooting skills on a lot of Germans in the Ardennes Forest as a sniper. DBS is warning us to take careful aim.
Just read the headlines to get a perspective:

Bursting Bubble Economy Watch:

December 11 – Bloomberg (Timothy R. Homan and Shobhana Chandra):  "The number of Americans filing first- time claims for unemployment benefits surged more than forecast last week to a 26-year high... Initial jobless claims increased 58,000 to 573,000... the highest level since November 1982... The number of workers staying on benefit rolls reached 4.429 million, also the most since 1982."

December 11 – Bloomberg (Kevin Reynolds and David Mildenberg):  "Bank of America Corp., the third- largest U.S. bank, said it plans to cut 30,000 to 35,000 positions over the next three years because of its acquisition of Merrill Lynch & Co. and the weak economic environment."

December 11 – Bloomberg (Bob Willis and Timothy R. Homan):  "U.S. exports slid to a seven-month low... The export slump... spurred a widening in the trade deficit to $57.2 billion in October..."

December 10 – Bloomberg (Beth Jinks):  "Las Vegas Strip casino gambling revenue declined for the 10th straight month in October...  Gambling proceeds from the Strip fell 26% to $475 million from a year earlier, Nevada's Gaming Control Board said..."

December 10 – Bloomberg (Shobhana Chandra and Andy Burt):  "The biggest slump in U.S. consumer spending since 1942 will extend the recession and push the jobless rate to the highest level in a quarter century, according to economists surveyed by Bloomberg News.  Household spending will drop 1% in 2009, the biggest decline since after the attack on Pearl Harbor... By the middle of next year, the economy will have shrunk for a record four consecutive quarters, the survey showed."

[active_indolent]

I fully agree with you that Daryl is a good man and he should be honoured for all his done. No dispute there.

But the rest you wrote was the same "get a gun, dig a trench, store food and live in a cage" rhetoric that I think that will paint ourself in a corner if we don´t find alternative views of seeing things.

 You  make a lot of assumptions about for instance the government that seems to be axiomatic for you and perhaps aren´t. For me a government is not by it self inherently bad or good, it´s what we make into. So for me the problem is to get the bad guys out and finding ways to inform and the good  and misinformed ones to take control (cause I actually think most of the people in government and the army are good but misinformed people). Not trying to influence the government is the same as leaving the government, which will be there no matter what we think of it, to these criminals without a fight.

The same goes for the economy. I don´t agree with the concept that this is a planed crash. They would like to keep the pyramid scheme going but the debt based system inherently is doomed to crash when there´s no more debt slaves to throw in. They where aware of that flaw and they tried to make it into a digital money system before it happened (there can´t be any bank runs in a digital money system since there´s no "exit").

Trying to explain this inherent flaw in the debt money system:
When a bank create a loan, let say 1 million dollar, it simultaneously create a debt and an asset (in dollar) on the same amount. So the debt always equals the created dollar asset. Together they cancel each other , hence: if the newly created debt was amortized (morte= kill in latin) the debt as well as the money would disappear, cease to exist.

This is probably basic for all on this forum. But let continue with the consequences. Let's say the bank issue a new loan, lets say 1 million dollar again, and thus create the equal amount in dollar as an asset. The person who already holds an asset in dollar would not be likely to borrow that money because he would pay of the loan and the money would be destroyed  and hence destroy a part of the money supply (reverse FRB). So in order to make as much new money as possible the bank has to find someone that don't have a money asset but an asset in real goods or future labor. Hence: the only way the credit expansion can continue is by sucking up people that don't have any dollar assets. This has an finite limit since sooner or later there will be nor more suckers to suck into this pyramide scheme. I USA the poor and unemployed where the last resource for this parasitic scheme that pumps up money to those at at the top with money assets, collecting more an more with the help of interest. In USA 1% of the population owns 70% of the wealth (and we know who they are) according to economy professor Michael Hudson.. 1% of the worlds population owns 80% of the wealth.

What is needed is a new monetary system, for instance social credit. Money  don´t equals the real economy – it´s just the medium of exchange and finding alternatives are not something you will be doing hiding in the forest hunting rabbits. Discussions and planning for a new systems (even temporally local currencies as LETs) is more constructive. Gesells money system with negative interset, implemented i Wörgl, is another interesting alternative.

When municipals and states defaults the shit really hits the fan. According to Basel 2 banks don´t need anything to coverage a loan to  municipals and states. So the leverage to them are extreme. So when for instance Carlifornia (that´s considered as one of the ten  largest economies in the world) default, they are on the brink, the whole thing will be tumbling down.

[sullivan]

I have no beef with DBS in particular, but long ago gave up on his site and shows as a waste of my mental energy. I too find that he presents little in the way of solutions or hope and these days I am more likely than not to shy away from anything that offers nothing but fear, hopelessness or despair.

These so-called elites are almost exclusively a bunch of inbred cretins drunk on power handed to them through their inheritance. What they are trying to do is to exercise power and control over those they wrongly consider lesser beings. Given the sheer number of such lesser beings, there are few methods guaranteed to offer that control. Indeed, there is only one, the same method that keeps the sheep in order when the sheepdog is around. That method is fear.  FDR was correct when he stated in his inaugural address that the "only thing we have to fear is fear itself".  

Terrorism = fear
Health Issues = fear
Global Warming / Climate Change = fear
Economic Crises = fear
Gun crime / knife crime = fear

The message constantly barked at us by the elite-controlled media is that we should be afraid... very afraid.

I sincerely believe their plans will not come to fruition and that they will ultimately bring about their demise. The longer they persist with their power grab and its attendant repressive/repulsive behaviour, the more powerful the final backlash will be.Their reliance on fear, and to a certain extent the use of repressive technology, to exercise their control, will be their Achilles heel.  Like the Wizard of Oz, they will eventually be unmasked as the pathetic individuals they truly are.

[active_indolent]

I agree!

Terrorism = fear
Health Issues = fear
Global Warming / Climate Change = fear
Economic Crises = fear
Gun crime / knife crime = fear

And it seems as they have to increase the voltage because people tends to refuse to lay down i the cage and comply any longer, You could see that as a bad sign but you could also see it as if they are loosing the grip.

[Free Truth]

Good post.

I agree, NOBODY offers any REAL solutions!

Why can't Americans just ORGANIZE and arrest a neo-con Zionist?! Get the marines and police woken up and work together with them. Are we so far gone that this will never happen???  

(DBS could/should be saying things like this more. He surely doesn't put out doom and gloom and learned helplessness type messages intentionally... Perhaps somebody should give him more suggestions and/or show him this thread.)

Fucking do/plan SOMETHING. Shit!

[Free Truth]

He surely doesn't put out doom and gloom and learned helplessness type messages intentionally...

Or does he???

 

 :mrgreen:

[MikeWB]

I have no beef with Daryl either but he does irk me with some silly stuff he says. He recently said something in Ognir's interview... something along the lines of: "anyone who doesn't believe that Russia is controlled by Israel is an idiot." And then he proceeded to offer zero evidence. He mentioned that Putin was photographed with some rabbi or something... heh. Come on, any president will have pictures & meet with a lot of people. That's what his job is. It doesn't mean he supports them just because he meets with them! To me, talk like that is insulting and reduces the effectiveness of his persuasion. I'm, for example, of the opinion that anyone who claims that Putin  is a Jew or that Russia or Iran is controlled by Jews is paranoid delusional. Daryl should stick to facts a bit more but when you talk for hours on a radio show, you're bound to say some silly stuff. Everyone would do the same thing.

But overall, Daryl offers some good info. I give him credit for waking me up to Zionist threat fully. I suspected their power before but he really clarified it for me & I will always be grateful to him for doing that.

Daryil is definitely NOT an agent, he's not controlled by Zios, he's not cointel and he's definitely on our side.

As for not offering solutions... it's hard to offer solutions that are credible. I mean, if you think that joining militia, for example, will solve anything... you're foolish. That's what they want you to do! They want you to attack them with sticks and stones while they have the latest arms that they've created. Best way to fight them is through non-violent means and through spreading of information. Soviet Union was not taken down through armed revolution but by spreading of info.

[active_indolent]

No, I don´t think he does it on purpose .

But I think his approach lead to learned helplessness.

I haven´t advocated violent and the primary tools ought to be information, I agree. But what sort of information? Repeating the mantra "It´s the jew stupid  and theres nowhere to hide" don´t lead to anything more then a sense of being powerless. It´s important that newcomers get all this historical information, all the deeds done by this group and so on. But if we at the same time give them impression that there´s nothing we can do, we actually induce learned helplessness  into them.

We ought to study the system and see where the weaknesses are. Cause their power is mostly mental and their primary tool – the monetary system- is definitely all mental, entrapping us in a world where we think that  there´s nothing we can do. But their monetary system is fragile (specially at this time in history) and really easy to break, you actually don´t need more then  some  thousands   of people to withdraw their cash from the banks and the banks would be tumbling down. Thats because cash is a vital part of the monetary base they use for leverage it into their fantasy credit (which is, again, totally dependent on our belief that they really exist).

Promoting that it´s the end of the world if this usury system breaks down leads nowhere. This usury system has to go if we are going to build something new. It´s falling is not the end of the world but something that is a necessity. We can´t build a free world built on usury and we can´t  mourn that it is going to fall. We need alternatives for replacing this main repressive instrument these crimals have at their disposal. And we won´t be doing that by  lying in the cage thinking that there´s nothing we can do.

And there are plenty of alternatives, social credit, Gesells work ,Bernard Lietaer, Margrith Kennedy and so on , setting up local currencies  like LETs, that will cushion the impact of this system falling apart. We need to study them and make plans how to implement them.

There´s lot we can do. The first step is thinking that we can do it.

[blueocean]

Getting full control of the message and the medium is the next step.


Daryl's show on CII is a good step.  We need to get the full islamic + 2nd and 3rd world countries and populations to become fully aware of the zionists.    from there the controlled western/1st world can be taken too.


India and Pakistan is the current infowar battle ground.  That is why mumbai happened for infowar reasons..........

[active_indolent]

I agree, Daryl does a  great job exposing these criminals, dispite a overwelming media disadvantage and should have full credit for that.  Perhaps our part is trying to find ways to deal with the problems he expose. I don´t blame or judge him.

Can´t but wonder if someone at  "What really happened" read this site( I use to check WRH for economic news , a perhaps bad habit, but occasionally there´s some interesting articles)  -  but it could be a coincidence. Never the less, this article about "Learned helplessness" was posted on his site today, interesting:
http://www.docpotter.com/boclass-25helplessness.html

[GordZilla]

I have no beef with Daryl either but he does irk me with some silly stuff he says. He recently said something in Ognir's interview... something along the lines of: "anyone who doesn't believe that Russia is controlled by Israel is an idiot." And then he proceeded to offer zero evidence. He mentioned that Putin was photographed with some rabbi or something... heh......

What? You believe Russia, after dropping the wall and 'ending' communism/bolshevikism that they just handed the reigns over and just disappeared? Really? And this from the guy who called us naive for not reading between the lines in the "Best video on global warming " thread...

..which was hardly that ...

 He was only selling a unique perspective on it, but nonetheless he bought into the fallacy that it is a predominately man-made issue.

But back to Russia; You must be kidding, there is more Jewish influence there than in America, and even still today. They never voluntarily surrender power, it can only be taken from them by force and that did not happen there. The idea that they just went away after communism publically ended is tantamount to believing Obama will now save America , all a show and it always has been. I don't agree with everything Daryl says, but on the quote above, he's right.

-Gord

P.S. it doesn't take long to find lots of evidence for Jewish control over Russia.


"It's winter time the house is solitude with options, and loosening our grip on the fake cold war. Isn't it amazing what you can accomplish when you don't have the nation get in your way?" – The Tragically Hip –Fireworks

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

But the rest you wrote was the same "get a gun, dig a trench, store food and live in a cage" rhetoric that I think that will paint ourself in a corner if we don´t find alternative views of seeing things.

Have you ever been shot at or had people threatening you with a gun? Or been in a "life and death" situation?  How did you react? Did you sit down, put your hands on your head and cry?

1. First off, I'm 95% skeptical of Behavioral Psychology and comparing human and animal behavior.  Most of it is B.S. and a waste of time.  Seligman sounds like a typical Jew with his little lab experiments. He would likely get a slug from my rifle if he approached me in the event "things break down". It is amazing how many Jew professors made livings out of this kind of crap.  Believe me, however you want to call acting "helpless", you'll get over it.  You either kick back or take the punches. Believe me, DBS is not trying to soften his audience up - he's describing some of the methods of fighting.  I think you equate "helpless" with being on the dole or something or saying "can't"  as in "we can't stop it".  Well, it is kind of  like watching the armed drunk across the street beat his wife day afer day -- you could either step up and take action one day or slink away day after day - it's your decision. There are risks in either choice. You make your future bets with your current point of view.  Having seen "things blow up" up close and personal, I believe in family insurance with a gun and tradeable goods more than in people just surfing the internet without deeper knowledge of  "international Jewish Finance".  I guess it all depends on how you see groups of people in extreme situations.  

2.  There is a lot of crime in the USA that never makes the news. People attacked, beaten up and raped without it making the news.  I prefer to believe in crime increasing in the event of economic trouble hitting the "real" economy. I remember the early 1990s in the USA not fondly in terms of personal safety.  In fact, DBS and Rafik just warn people to think in terms of the 'real' economy as the financial one goes into long-term ruin.

3.  If you lived in Argentina in the early part of this decade, you might give DBS a serious listen and take some precautions. Again, it's your choice. DBS just calls it as he sees it -- it not a pleasant message but I believe it is honest. Call it behaviorally whatever you want to.  Robbers in Argentina became skilled at killing dogs before sneaking up for a farm attack.

4.  How do you want to "fight back"?  Form a political movement? Maybe a Secret Society?  Start your own local currency? These are options. You could take these steps if you think your day to day food supply and personal safety won't be affected that much.

5. At the end of the day, it is good to know how to fight from undercover with good weapons and tactics if the hoodlums come knocking and are looking to steal your food. But thinking this way if only necessary if you know how JITTED UP this system really is.

6. On Russia: Putin is a Jew puppet of rather curious sort. He is smart, a bit independent, and a bit nationalistic, and makes peace with the powers that be until it is time to strike. If Putin acted directly against Jewish criminality while he was mayor of St. Petersburg, the Jew Oligarchs would have iced him. He knows it too. So, Putin partnered with a few of them to create national economic champions - but the alliance came at a price. He's not a Czar that could really put Russia on sound footing.

[active_indolent]

I agree with you that humans can get over "learned helplessnesses". I´ll try to outline why later. Seems like disproving everything that don´t suits your view of seeing things by calling it  jewish is somewhat a  sort of a conditioned reflex, or something similar, from your part. I think it´s either dishonest or very narrow minded. If you want to disprove something. do it by logic and reasoning.

I also note that your promotion of violents and fear also is in line with the anarchy the jews always try to stir up. I don´t know if this is intentional or a conditioned behavior in this case either.

Back to "learned helplessness". Since you don´t accept behaviorism (and I can have some understanding for that) lets take another , neurological, approach (which you most likely will categorize as jewish as well). Humans have an extreme cortex compared to other species. This cortex is able to "overwrite" the more primitive parts of your brain, call it the "reptile brain" if you like. But only when we are calm and not stressed by fear or anger.  When something stressfull happens adrenaline is kicking in and  the cortex is turned of and the three primitive reactions that where originally wired into the "reptile brain" kick in - run, fight or play dead. There´s no time to think logical and blood is pressured from your cortex to muscles preparing for actions.

A consequence  of the above is that if you constantly flood people with fear they never have a chance to get calm and reasoning with their primitive feelings and "overwrite" them, so it´s important to have a constant disturbance and feeling of insecurity in order to get their cortex to shut down. (the same tactic can be used when arguing with people – by getting them pissed offed, for instance by mocking them, their cortex is turned off and you get a upper hand – partly my plan with this writing – no offence, he,he)

And yes , I have been in life and death situations and for me the above make sense. For you it´s probably just more jewish propaganda.

[jai_mann]

1. First off, I'm 95% skeptical of Behavioral Psychology and comparing human and animal behavior.  Most of it is B.S. and a waste of time.  Seligman sounds like a typical Jew with his little lab experiments. He would likely get a slug from my rifle if he approached me in the event "things break down". It is amazing how many Jew professors made livings out of this kind of crap.  Believe me, however you want to call acting "helpless", you'll get over it.  You either kick back or take the punches.  

Being skeptical is great but skepticism should be based off of facts. IE: Most of the evidence which you have examined indicates that something is wrong. Expressing skepticism based purely upon a superficial analysis without examining the issue in depth is not a productive way to perceive phenomena. As for me, I'm 100% convinced of the principles of behavior given the 100+ years of empirical studies. It's not like psychoanalysis which is subjective. The principles of behavior are what we use in functional brain imaging. It's a hard science like, physics, geology, or math. Humans and animals express certain behaviors that are very similar which includes basic emotions. Which is one thing that pisses me the fuck off when in introductory to Psych classes they introduce the term "anthropomorphize" which means to assign "human" traits to animals. It's my personal opinion that this is a means of desensitizing students to the fucked up things they do to animals in the name of science. What they can not openly do to humans, they openly do to animals.

Any way, you are right that there are TONS of Jews in the area of Psychology and I don't think that this is an accident. They want to control the goy. What better way than to understand human behavior. Things like psychoanalysis are still widely taught which is annoying because it's mostly theoretical bullshit which has no basis in empiricism. On the other hand, the area of behavior analysis is not as widely taught and what they do teach avoids certain issues such as mental conditioning.

Active_Indolent, if you have access to journals look up Bruce Weiss's 1968-69 study on conditioning attitudes. That's the exact procedure being used in the media. Take an emotion eliciting issue (anger), pair it with a neutral issue, repeat numerous times and those who engage in superficial analyzes will begin to exhibit the same emotion (anger) when the neutral issue is presented alone. That's why the mainstream news repeats the same superficial soundbytes 24/7 on all the stations. It's hard core conditioning. They will never teach that to any students because they'll notice exactly what is going on in the media (at least the smart ones will). They absolutely NEVER mention the issue of brainwashing in classes even when they go over ethics. I brought up the issues in a class where we submitted questions and my teacher skipped right over it.

Have you ever been shot at or had people threatening you with a gun? Or been in a "life and death" situation? How did you react? Did you sit down, put your hands on your head and cry?

Your reaction is a result of your previous history of consequences given that kind of situation. Most people go into fight or flight mode. Let's look at a different example. One of my dogs was a rescue dog. He had been abused by the ex boyfriend of the owner and he exhibited learned helplessness. He was timid around me compared with my girlfriend. He would urinate if startled or if you raised your voice such as saying "NO". He had a squeak and did not bark for over three months. He had been beat by the ex and he learned that he could not defend himself or avoid the beatings. It's taken me over a year to condition confidence back into him. It took 3 months before I got one single bark out of him. The bark occurred when I was playing a stare down with him. When I learned that a stare down could evoke a bark I started staring him down more and after barks I rewarded him with affection. Now he freely barks. He will bark when I say speak because I have reinforced that. Women who have abusive spouses either leave or they exhibit learned helplessness. As an individual, you may have had success in fighting back in any situation where you were assaulted. Thus your fighting back reinforced because you avoid a beating and humiliation.

Don't be so quick to judge. Keep an open mind about everything and base the strength of your opinions off of the depth of your knowledge on a subject.

[active_indolent]

Hi jai_mann!

I haven´t  studied psychology at university level but I have been reading a bit on my own (I would very much appreciate if you have any suggestions on books you can recommend; thanks i advance).

Is it the same tactic the good cop, the  bad cop in interrogation's uses? The bad coop intimidates the accused  making him afraid and shutting down his cortex, then the good cops steps in and the accused get more relaxed and gradually put his cortex on under the good cops guidance in the "right" direction .

I´m been listening to Alex Jones and I tend to see the same pattern in his "shows" (I actually don´t listen to much to what he says, rather the way he says it – it´s perhaps easier for me to close down the actual meaning of the words since my native language is Swedish). If you listen to him he got this  pattern were his first work up this anger, frustration and tells you frightening things that these "New world order" guys are doing – isn't that basically the bad cop trying to scare the shit out of you?
Then from there he shift rather fast and calms down (that sort of expose him – because when I get pissed off I need a rather long landing strip . He just cuts it off – as if it was controlled anger – which I think it is). He then becomes the good cop that guide you into how you should perceive the reality.
Sadly I often even find this pattern in Daryls rhetoric as well.

Another annoying similarity is the tendency to talk very fast. Both Daryl and Alex talks very fast when they furiously tell frightening things. I can´t but associate to John Coltrane, the jazz saxophone player, who made very fast jazz , playing fast tones, and one day decided to record a slow paced record (Ballads – his best). He said afterwards that it was the hardest thing he ever done. When he was playing fast nobody would here when he hit the wrong tune but playing slow meant that all the false tunes could be heard. Can it be the same strategy when Alex (and Daryl) talks?  Do they try to hide the lack of logic with a fast pace so no one will notice?

I prefer reasoning shows where the speker give me time to think on my own while listening. I can´t help feeling that Daryls way is as assertive as Alex Jones.

[Free Truth]

Your reaction is a result of your previous history of consequences given that kind of situation. Most people go into fight or flight mode. Let's look at a different example. One of my dogs was a rescue dog. He had been abused by the ex boyfriend of the owner and he exhibited learned helplessness. He was timid around me compared with my girlfriend. He would urinate if startled or if you raised your voice such as saying "NO". He had a squeak and did not bark for over three months. He had been beat by the ex and he learned that he could not defend himself or avoid the beatings. It's taken me over a year to condition confidence back into him. It took 3 months before I got one single bark out of him. The bark occurred when I was playing a stare down with him. When I learned that a stare down could evoke a bark I started staring him down more and after barks I rewarded him with affection. Now he freely barks. He will bark when I say speak because I have reinforced that. Women who have abusive spouses either leave or they exhibit learned helplessness. As an individual, you may have had success in fighting back in any situation where you were assaulted. Thus your fighting back reinforced because you avoid a beating and humiliation.

Don't be so quick to judge. Keep an open mind about everything and base the strength of your opinions off of the depth of your knowledge on a subject.

Nice!

Good thread,  and getting even better.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Guys...

I think DBS's negativity and "fear mongering",  which is the original topic of conversation, is fully justified in light of recent events.      Seeing Zionist Jews running the US Government at the highest levels gives me zero comfort in looking at the future.  These are times to decide what you are going to do. Seriously. Are you going to let Communist Jewry round up your uncle or are you going to grab a shovel to attack.  You don't have to take any direct action right now, but just make preparations.  This is like July 1917 in Russia - are you supporting the Czar and his war or supporting the revolutionaries?  If you let the Jews really get power completely you will have ZERO freedom and they will let loose tons of propaganda at you. Yes it is the J.E.W.S.  I vote not to become an unarmed-unfed Palestinian in the event the Jews have their eyes on ruling larger prizes - and the do.  THIS IS WHAT DBS IS WARNING ABOUT in his RANTS.  A Rant is a Rant to inform and castigate those who need public denunciation for their crimes.    Personally I think Humans are very FAR from behavioral conditioning in the real world. But I have been attacked by people looking to rob me because they were hungry and wanted booze, drugs, etc.  I didn't act helpless and I kept my cool.  I thought with my fists and was able to condition the robbers face with learning event.  Every one has a plan until they get hit.  

Now remember the words of the Famous Jew Idiocy Fighter Alexandar Solzhenitsyn (paraphrased):  "If they just had the courage to fight, they could have overwhelmed the Cheka Agents with their pitchforks and shovels and liberated themselves".  Now if you let the Idiot Jews run things, you will become "helpless" like a Palestinian or a Ukrainian farmer.   JUST TELLING PEOPLE ABOUT WHO IS COMING JUST OVER THE HORIZON IS BRAVE AND GOOD.  Screw the psychology of it - think of Historical Examples and what the hell you would have done to rise up as a leader to stomp on the criminals before they could bring about their evil schemes.  

BTW, I don't care if I offend, but I'm probably going to be the most difficult on this board with "respecting" Jews because in my book, Jews would not be Jews if they were really honest with themselves and had reasonable understanding of Jewish-Gentile history over the last 3000+ years. They have to come clean. Overall, I see Jew psychology just like that idiot book "Who moved my Cheese?" - You want to know who moved the F***ing Cheese? The Jewish Rats did in Finance from HQ! And their Freaking Cheese Ponzi scheme did too! This isn't fondue kids.    

DBS is simply warning you. Believe him or not, it is your choice but I think he hits the mark.  If you believe in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as an actual historical work, you wouldn't treat his warnings as "all Negative" at all.  I've gotten thrown of my psychology courses when I challenged more than one old Jew professor with simple deductive logic as to why certain events unfolded in his handout examples - the guy tried to savage me and it was plainly obvious he was spouting some needless J*W SH*T nonsense.  With a Zionist run government, you will learn more from History and Economics than you will from any other course. That's why Jews hate history - because history shows Goyim waking up to their money and cultural corruption schemes and then throwing their sorry unapologetic asses out their country. REMEMBER IN RUSSIA 1924 - YOU WOULD BE EITHER KILLED OR PUT IN A PRISON CAMP OR PSYCH WARD FOR LIFE HEADED BY JEW COMMISSARS FOR READING ANY WEBSITE LIKE THIS OR EVEN THIS PARAGRAPH I JUST TYPED.  Idiot Jews are still pushing for this today.  Get a gun.    

I firmly believe the crap is hitting the fan again right now (at least in the US/UK/EU)  and it's being squirted from criminal Zionist asses in the ZioBush-ZioBama Administration, Sarkozy and company, Putin and Jew Co.  .    History proves, these are the times when they make the goyim put up or shut up.  I'm putting up and I'm not shutting up - and personally I thank DBS-Ognir-Iraq-war.ru-WakeupFromyourslumber-Tex Marres for this.  Long held hunches are only being confirmed for me as events unfold. It puts me in a "F*CK'EM" I'm going to make sure they get a taste of this themselves. I want the Dumbass Jews in the US government to really know the full price for bankrupting the USA and pulling off 9/11.

[active_indolent]

Lets start with things we can agree on:

1) It´s the jews (but they couldn´t do it without the "help" of criminal elements of us gentiles, bribed or blackmailed gentiles,  misinformed gentiles, useful idiots and so on)

2) Thier main parasitic tool is the usury monetary system (which provides them with money for nothing so they have been able to buy up all the real assets, media to indoctrinate us,  start wars, put countries in debt slavery and suck out all the wealth and so on)

3) Thier power lies mostly in the mental room. They are few and they are forced to bend our minds in the direction they want.

4) They use the media, the school system to condition our thoughts.Condition us to be wage slaves, instigate racial hate, get us fearful and afraid of the great wizard of Oz, make us believe life is all about competing and see other gentiles as competitors  (they among them self help each other and  have the opposite agenda), condition our concept of money as something that by nature euquals debt, conditioning us to believe that money has any other qualities than being a medium of exchange (read Tolkiens word below) and many more conditioning ways to  make us percieve the world that fits their agenda.

5) Feel free to fill in

Now over to the solution side of the equation. As you pointed out:

1) Get the information out that it´s the jews. I totally agree

2) Prepare for physical actions. I totally agree.

3 )We have to stand united. I totally agree.


Now over to other solutions that don´t necessarily exclude yours:

4) Study, plan and find forms to implement another monetary system (I want to stress that whats falling apart is not the production capacity or the real economy: it´s the medium of exchange, it´s the jewish usury system thats falling apart. Not seeking other alternatives leaves us to thinking that this jewish usury system is the only one and they will trap us again)

5 ) Inform and try to overthrow the jews control of the government. Some sort of grassroots movement combined with rebellion within the system. And I don´t think thats impossible, they are few and they can´t handle us all. Not trying to get the military, the police and so on our side will leave the government into the jews control (as today). So we need to study how they bends people thoughts and come up with counter actions.

6) Feel free to fill in

I don´t see any reason for us arguing when we have the same cause and our objective is the same. But thinking there' s nothing we can do more then flee into the woods shooting deers and stockpiling in a cottage leads nowhere (actually, I think thats what they want us to do).

[sullivan]

it´s the medium of exchange

You are right, but I would put it differently. We have moved over time from a situation where we had only two primary factors in commerce - supply and demand - mediated by a medium of exchange, to a situation where there is a third player - currency. The medium of exchange has ceased to be just that, and has become a product in and of itself.  The proof of this is that the likes of the Federal Reserve and ECB are paid to produce it, ergo it is a product. It (currency) is bought and sold like a product, it is subject to the forces of supply and demand - just like a product.  Money is no longer a means of carrying out transactions involving commodities, it has become a commodity, indeed some would say the most important commodity.

[active_indolent]

Usury require the money to be a commodity. How else can you earn money on money? Money can´t work, can´t produce anything.

This "globalism" shit is a way to make products as far a way as possible from the consumption so we are forced to use their usury currency. That´s a clever way to make us dependent on  usury that suck out our labor and efforts.

Nevertheless, I think that the US (for instance) has the capacity to produce more then enough for their own population even though they have outsourced a lot of manufacturing capacity. Todays productivity is awesome and if we can replace the falling  usury monetary system with a fair system the production would be no problem. The problem is the concept of making money on money, hence (as you pointed out) the concept that money is a commodity). Money should only abstractly represent labor and goods.
I strongly recommend:
"The War of Private Vs Public Control of
Society's Money Power
The Order of Battle: Adam Smith vs Aristotle "
http://www.monetary.org/bromsgrovetalk04.htm

Perhaps this piece can put some light to why Hitler got to be the jewish bankers enemy;

"THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX:
HOW A BANKRUPT GERMANY SOLVED ITS
INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEMS"
http://www.webofdebt.com/articles/bankrupt-germany.php

Quote:
"We were not foolish enough to try to make a currency [backed by] gold of which we had none, but for every mark that was issued we required the equivalent of a mark's worth of work done or goods produced. . . .we laugh at the time our national financiers held the view that the value of a currency is regulated by the gold and securities lying in the vaults of a state bank."
 - Adolf Hitler

[jai_mann]

Hi jai_mann!
I haven´t  studied psychology at university level but I have been reading a bit on my own.

That is always the best way to learn, IMHO.

Is it the same tactic the good cop, the  bad cop in interrogation's uses? The bad coop intimidates the accused  making him afraid and shutting down his cortex, then the good cops steps in and the accused get more relaxed and gradually put his cortex on under the good cops guidance in the "right" direction .

As far as that tactic I would say it probably does increase emotional behavior more than logical behavior so yeh we could hypothesize that the limbic system (emotional circuit/ "reptilian brain") is exerting more influence over Bx at that point. It would need to be assessed in some fMRI or other imaging studies + lesion studies to assess it (if it hasn't already been done, the Jews would love to know the best way to control the Goy).

I´m been listening to Alex Jones and I tend to see the same pattern in his "shows" (I actually don´t listen to much to what he says, rather the way he says it – it´s perhaps easier for me to close down the actual meaning of the words since my native language is Swedish). If you listen to him he got this  pattern were his first work up this anger, frustration and tells you frightening things that these "New world order" guys are doing – isn't that basically the bad cop trying to scare the shit out of you?
Then from there he shift rather fast and calms down (that sort of expose him – because when I get pissed off I need a rather long landing strip . He just cuts it off – as if it was controlled anger – which I think it is). He then becomes the good cop that guide you into how you should perceive the reality.
Sadly I often even find this pattern in Daryls rhetoric as well.

Alex is disinfo. He hasn't touched Zionism until it's impossible for him to avoid it. He's promoted Loose Change which has been good and bad (woke up people so they asked questions/presented horrible logic&evidence for certain claims). His "fiery" speeches are the kind of thing that will appeal more to someone who is engaging in the same emotion that he is expressing (anger,etc.) and the truth and logic that he throws in can help to attract those engaged in logic and get them into the same emotional state (thereby reducing their rational control of assessing the rest of the information he presents).

I think Daryl is a good guy and has done a great job at getting out information. I don't think that he intends to deceive anyone when he becomes passionate. I am not aware of any instances of him attempting to deliberately deceive people. I am aware that Eric Hufschit attempted to smear both Daryl and Chris Bollyn who discuss The Zionist criminals so I think both writers are legit. I DO think that because it is a complex issue he hasn't decided how to safely deal with it. I like Mark Koernke's approach and I try not to miss any of his shows (http://www.theintelligencereport.tk). He is ex army intel, trained in counter intelligence. He fingers the Mossad and Talmudic Jews constantly. I have never heard him speak a lie. He did time for 7 years on trumped up charges so the ADL could shut down his radio station. The ADL abso-fucking-lutely hates him (http://www.adl.org/Learn/Ext_US/koernke ... em=koernke) because he is so vocal and points out historical examples of the activities which they are repeating in the USA. Mark's solution to this mess? Create 5-10 man militia units (militia is simply any man, woman or child who can bear arms appropriately, ie: any of the common folk) and prepare for guerilla war. He hasn't said any thing about "us" initiating actions but he strongly advocates being armed, selecting targets, knowing your enemy, food/water/bug out preps. As far as I'm concerned, actions should be planned ASAP so that people can take back the government. Otherwise we will continue towards further sovietization. Mark's solutions will work any where because they involve empowering the people with self-sufficiency. He's not shy about saying if they break down your doors "shoot the buggers", "take out as many of them as you can". He is actively involved in coordinating with/between state militia's who are swelling with numbers right now. Guns sales went off the charts around the Presidential election. People know there is going to be a war and are getting ready for it.

I would like to see supporting our brothers (common folk) around the globe such that every one can be armed. I'm not a big fan of government period but at the same time I understand power vacuums. I believe local communities should decide how to run things themselves and super structure governments need to be dismantled as they are nothing but machines for the ruling class. Guns are equalizers and good people have nothing to fear about them.

Another annoying similarity is the tendency to talk very fast. Both Daryl and Alex talks very fast when they furiously tell frightening things. I can´t but associate to John Coltrane, the jazz saxophone player, who made very fast jazz , playing fast tones, and one day decided to record a slow paced record (Ballads – his best). He said afterwards that it was the hardest thing he ever done. When he was playing fast nobody would here when he hit the wrong tune but playing slow meant that all the false tunes could be heard. Can it be the same strategy when Alex (and Daryl) talks?  Do they try to hide the lack of logic with a fast pace so no one will notice?

If some one is passionate about something they will speak rapidly. I don't think Daryl is trying to hide anything.

I prefer reasoning shows where the speker give me time to think on my own while listening. I can´t help feeling that Daryls way is as assertive as Alex Jones.

Look up Mark's programs. After a few shows you should get the feel that this guy has a good heart and is brilliant as far as identifying enemy operations and solutions.

[jai_mann]

Guys...

I think DBS's negativity and "fear mongering",  which is the original topic of conversation, is fully justified in light of recent events.      Seeing Zionist Jews running the US Government at the highest levels gives me zero comfort in looking at the future.  These are times to decide what you are going to do. Seriously. Are you going to let Communist Jewry round up your uncle or are you going to grab a shovel to attack.  You don't have to take any direct action right now, but just make preparations.

You're preaching to the choir brother. I just want to make sure that all of us utilize the most important tool for this battle, our intelligence. I know what I am going to do. I'm not about to reveal it on here where the enemy can read it. The idea is, as you said, make preparations (for guerilla war). There are free manuals on http://piratebay.org if you do searches. Search "total resistance" to find a swiss manual on G. warfare. Create militia units (family/neighbors). People can trust each other at that level and it is direct empowerment of the masses.

Personally I think Humans are very FAR from behavioral conditioning in the real world. But I have been attacked by people looking to rob me because they were hungry and wanted booze, drugs, etc.  I didn't act helpless and I kept my cool.  I thought with my fists and was able to condition the robbers face with learning event.  Every one has a plan until they get hit.  

You gave me a really good laugh last night with the "...was able to condition the robbers face with learning event".  :lol: You can think as you please but I would argue that if you come across information which is useful in comprehending events and phenomena occurring in reality, then it is worth using that info. You may find it to be more useful to learn in depth about issues other than the function of human behavior but should keep in mind that there MAY be useful info in that area of reality. Just don't be functionally fixed is all that I am saying. And above all else ALWAYS keep learning.

Some people more readily handle stressful events and emergencies. You only find out when you are thrown into the situation. About 5 of my friends and I were immediate witnesses to a ~55mph head on car collision in farm country. My friend who was driving and was ~50 ft behind it was in a state of shock and drove slowly past the vehicles. I was yelling at him to pull over. From that moment on my instincts had kicked in and I literally commanded the scene. I checked on both car passengers and was issuing orders to my friends. We were in serious bumfuck. I had one friend run to a farm house to call emergency crews. I got other friends to get paper towels to tend to one of the kids who was bleeding. The poor old lady (got hit by teenager who crossed the line) had a heart attack but lived until crews moved her. The entire time I was controlling things at 18 years old, there were 4 adults bickering on the side of the road over who's fault it was. I wanted to kick the shit out of them because there was an old lady and 3-4 16 and under kids who needed tending, meanwhile they were being fucking idiots bickering.

So my point is, I know I'm cut out for heavy situations and I know that there are heavier situations than that but at least I'm mentally ready. CrackSmokeRepublican, I would say that you are cut of the same material. And as such I hope that you have family and friends who you can rally to make preparations which includes logical assessment of your area of operation in order to flee or engage the enemy when the time comes. Staying at home and fighting them on their terms (many of them vs. just you OR getting torched as they did in Waco) isn't a good idea. Make sure you have 2 separate cache spots to flee to so you don't lose everything you've prepped for. You need to be the leader for those who can't emotionally handle what is going on (they may wake up too late, but if you have spare food/guns you can hand it out when they get their shit together).

BTW, I don't care if I offend, but I'm probably going to be the most difficult on this board with "respecting" Jews because in my book, Jews would not be Jews if they were really honest with themselves and had reasonable understanding of Jewish-Gentile history over the last 3000+ years. They have to come clean. Overall, I see Jew psychology just like that idiot book "Who moved my Cheese?" - You want to know who moved the F***ing Cheese? The Jewish Rats did in Finance from HQ! And their Freaking Cheese Ponzi scheme did too! This isn't fondue kids.

No offense taken regardless of your intent. As I said before, I just want to see all of us have at our disposal the most useful means of assessing things. I respect those who earn it and I change my respect if someone does something to lose it. The Jewish masses are just as brainwashed as the Gentile masses. The Jewish rulers would be nothing with out their loyal, brainwashed flock. To think that all Jews are incapable of being brainwashed is to think that they are some how different from every other human being. It may not be possible to wake them up since they have been so thoroughly brainwashed but it is still worth pointing out the criminality of their leaders and the mindset that non-jews are animals/slaves. I don't expect many to change their behaviors or beliefs but if I was brainwashed I know I would appreciate some one pointing out facts indicating it.

Idiot Jews are still pushing for this today.  Get a gun.    

I've got three =). I just wish spare parts and ammo didn't cost so much but I am sitting pretty good right now thanks to Mark Koernke's advice. I've had a full year and a half to learn and prep since stumbling on to his program. BTW if you aren't familiar with them, look into sabot's for rifle bullets. There ain't no body armor in the world that'll stop a FMJ sabot traveling 4200-4700FPS =). Get 'em while you can.

I firmly believe the crap is hitting the fan again right now (at least in the US/UK/EU)  and it's being squirted from criminal Zionist asses in the ZioBush-ZioBama Administration, Sarkozy and company, Putin and Jew Co.  .    History proves, these are the times when they make the goyim put up or shut up.  I'm putting up and I'm not shutting up - and personally I thank DBS-Ognir-Iraq-war.ru-WakeupFromyourslumber-Tex Marres for this.  Long held hunches are only being confirmed for me as events unfold. It puts me in a "F*CK'EM" I'm going to make sure they get a taste of this themselves. I want the Dumbass Jews in the US government to really know the full price for bankrupting the USA and pulling off 9/11.

You have a way with words . Just make sure you spend a substantial portion of your time planning the actions so you successfully engage the enemy. There's going to be more than one engagement and we need people like you around. With this I need to rest my fingers and wrists. Too much typing for me...

[active_indolent]

jai_mann
I might be over generalisng, that´s true.

But I will keep on being suspicious about anyone avoiding talking/writing about whats always been the jews primary parasitic tool - the usury monetary system and the necessity to replace it.

I´ll always be suspicious when people talk about violent means and promote economic Domesday scenarios but at all cost avoid describing how repressive the present debt based usury system is and what a blessing it would be removing it. For me the jews power primary lies in controlling the money system and making us slaves under it. I don´t thinks theres going to be all lot of jews running around the streets rounding up people in every corner of the world - I don´t think they are that many. They didn´t show up i Argentina, they didn´t show up in Iceland, and they will probably not show up in Ecuador now when they have defaulted on their debt.
The debt based monetary system has reached it´s maximum and the tower is falling - rejoice and plan for a better world. Don´t run to the forest with guns trying to survive by shooting deers because you are afraid the street will be flooded with jews.

I think, to be honest, that Daryl B knows this and the fact that he promotes fear instead of describing the monetary system  and how to replace it (cause he don´t) and see it as something good, something that brings hope. Instead he promote this Domesday scenario. So I will keep on being very suspios about him. He should be talking about how different monetary system have been proven successful when they broke from the jewish debt and usury: as Hitlers Germany when they started print money on their own and circumvent the bankers , as Wörgl in Austria, as Franklins model, the tally sticks in England and so on. The jewish usury has been over throned before with success and to  peoples benefit and it on the brink now.

[active_indolent]

Double posted, sorry

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

http://radio.goldseek.com/shows/2008/11 ... .08-cc.mp3


A good interview with Bob Chapman who's newsletter is read by a lot of people.  

He states "It's the beginning of the beginning" and then says "buy a gun".  Also HE IS A FORMER INTELLIGENCE OFFICER WITH THE US GOVERNMENT so take it for what it's worth to you.

http://radio.goldseek.com/roubinidec6.php

Always a good read:
http://news.goldseek.com/InternationalF ... 584320.php

on Jewtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd8B-EEP4V8

[active_indolent]

Who's been controlling gold all the time? Why is Ron Paul proposing a gold standard? Read the words from Hitler:

"We were not foolish enough to try to make a currency [backed by] gold of which we had none, but for every mark that was issued we required the equivalent of a mark's worth of work done or goods produced. . . .we laugh at the time our national financiers held the view that the value of a currency is regulated by the gold and securities lying in the vaults of a state bank."
Hitler got Germany up and running in two years by NOT using a gold backed currency. Why shouldn´t that be possible in the US? Germany was far worse condition than US today. The production capacity today is awesome compeered to Hitlers Germany.

http://www.webofdebt.com/articles/bankrupt-germany.php

The jews have always controlled the supply and demand for gold and falling back to a gold standard when their debt based system breaks (because they can´t bring more debt slave into it - the pyramide scheeme falls) is exactly what they want to. So if I trust this Chapman guy? NO!

Using gold as medium as exchange is something that the jews been pushing thousends of years in the west. When Marco Polo got to China  he got amazed by the efficiency  of their fiat system (the same system as Hitler used). The eastern countries didn´t use  gold standard.
 
When King Edward I expelled the jews with their usury and gold in 1289, England used tally sticks (backed by fiat) until Cromwell brought the jews back in 1649. The jewish bankers didn´t succeed in destroying the tally system untill 1834 when the tallies themselves were ordered to be burned in a stove in the Houses of Parliament, but the fire went out of control, burning down both the Houses of Parliament  and Palace of Westminster.

I could go on.

 I don´t trust people saying that the present system is falling because it´s  a fiat system not backed by gold - it´s falling because it´s a pyramid debt based system controlled by the jews,  (who also control the gold). The continuous input of new debt slaves in order to "feed" the parasites at the top with their compound interest is a parasitic system that has reached it´s limits. 1% of the worlds population owns 80% of the worlds wealth, how long do you think this accumulation is possible?

So I don´t trust people promoting gold controlled by jews.

[MikeWB]

I have no beef with Daryl either but he does irk me with some silly stuff he says. He recently said something in Ognir's interview... something along the lines of: "anyone who doesn't believe that Russia is controlled by Israel is an idiot." And then he proceeded to offer zero evidence. He mentioned that Putin was photographed with some rabbi or something... heh......

What? You believe Russia, after dropping the wall and 'ending' communism/bolshevikism that they just handed the reigns over and just disappeared? Really? And this from the guy who called us naive for not reading between the lines in the "Best video on global warming " thread...

..which was hardly that ...

 He was only selling a unique perspective on it, but nonetheless he bought into the fallacy that it is a predominately man-made issue.

But back to Russia; You must be kidding, there is more Jewish influence there than in America, and even still today. They never voluntarily surrender power, it can only be taken from them by force and that did not happen there. The idea that they just went away after communism publically ended is tantamount to believing Obama will now save America , all a show and it always has been. I don't agree with everything Daryl says, but on the quote above, he's right.

-Gord

P.S. it doesn't take long to find lots of evidence for Jewish control over Russia.


"It's winter time the house is solitude with options, and loosening our grip on the fake cold war. Isn't it amazing what you can accomplish when you don't have the nation get in your way?" – The Tragically Hip –Fireworks

Are you following ANY of the current geopolitical news? Are you able to see what's going on??? Go to Current News forum and start READING! Russia is funding & arming ALL of the anti-Israel regimes in the Middle East and beyond!

[Anonymous]

that learned helplessness experiment has been done on a ton of animals.

you got a problem though... humans are not dogs.

Palestine is a perfect example of this.  That's what I would call, "smash your head against the wall till it splatters syndrome", which is the opposite of "learned helplessness"

you push humans up against the wall, they will viciously strike back.

Americans and Europeans are way too comfortable for anything more than spreading information/spirituality to be useful at this point.

Real Talk.

[sullivan]

Americans and Europeans are way too comfortable for anything more than spreading information/spirituality to be useful at this point.

It's really nice the way you can categorise all Americans and Europeans into one neat little group. There are some on both continents who have a history of resisting tyranny and who did so for centuries before our Palestinian brothers and sisters were forced to do so. Nothing is as clear-cut as it might seem.