TALMUDIC BLACK MAGIC KABBALAH RITUALS/SYMBOLISM

[blueocean]

This is about the Lucifer Project, which basically is an occult project.

This has more to do with the symbolism than with the actual reality or the viability of it (even though it can be crap the occult symbolism still stands), just as with the occultic importance of the fake moonlandings.

0 http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=GmiaL-0MnIM [/youtube]


check out the occult hints: 216 tubes of plutonium (216 is the Number for the Kabbalist Name of God/Jahweh/Kronos/Saturn   etc.)

On Saturn a big hexagon pattern has been discovered, right were they want to crash the cassini spacecraft.

this and many more Zionist occultic symbolism (Cassini/Cassiopaea) is found in this cassini "Lucifer Project".

[Canard]

Yes,

these Talmudic Kabbalists love Sacred Geometry, which they use to 'BOX IN' Life.

The tree of life actually is a double cube or hypercube, connecting it to the 4th dimension of Timespace (different from our spacetime).

Some say that the hexagram is actually a 3d representation of a 4th dimensional hypersphere.

Can I get a visual on that?

[blueocean]

Canard,

Look at this link:

http://www.halexandria.org/dward001.htm

Look at the first tree of life picture and see that it is a double cube.

This page is also clarifying:  http://www.fotthewuk.co.uk/newperspecti ... ctive.html

[Anonymous]

These Satanic SOB's actually USE these so called revelations to MAKE that shit happen.

AND then you have all the believers that add their dime to it by then believing in that stuff and creating self-fullfilling prophecies, and also telling people that there is nothing you can do about it because it has been revealed in the bible or Quran.

Exactly.  People need to let go of the age old control mechanism of all religions.  Maybe the stuff that is prophecised is accurate, but it just can't be substantiated and proven with evidentiary fact.  So hold onto the beliefs if you choose, but I choose not to hold it as true.  Choice is what we all have in accepting one form of reality over another.

And yes, Freemasonry is a creation of Judaic/Cabbalic mysticism.

The Lucifer Project is scary shit.  They tried it with Jupiter, but it didn't work, so next is Saturn (or Saturn was first, then Jupiter, I forget, read it a while back).  Pretty sure it was Jupiter the first test, as it seems the huge spot on Jupiter that appeared was in the general area that the probe/satellite crashed into.

Can I get a visual on that?

The Cabbalic Sephiroth tree of life in rotating 3 dimensional - 4th dimensional mode:



Peace.

[blueocean]

To see High Level Occult Deception in Action go to: http://www.cassiopaea.org/

With Zionist Laura Knight Jadzcyk.  Main info is in an article series called: The Wave (What Wave? a F'in Tsunami? A Photon Belt? )

anyway: Most of the stuff is channeled from a ouija Board and that is then combined with some personal Intelligence. (Her man is a very high/intelligent Physics Professor)

Some of the Info is world class but it definitively is a bait to lure people in.

Some basics: 1 They Talk about the left hand and the right hand Path of god and that the only thing that is important is to polarize to either one of them and then do it good, for Both Extreme Polarized paths lead directly to Source/The One at Density Level 7. Aka The Harvest...........

Also the All Overiding "god"-principle is "The Balance". This means practically that it doesn't matter what one does it all gets balanced anyway.  AKA THE ULTIMATE ZOHAR PRINCIPLE for an absolute "Do as thou Will" phylosophy/justification.

I once send them a letter asking: Aren't batteries charged up when they are polarized?   :lol:   (reference to the matrix)

3 Knowledge is the holy grail all the rest doesn't matter. Most of the Knowledge is gotten from these "mysterous realms" .

4 you have two brotherhoods, that actually work together behind the scenes.

5 This is one of the funny things, when one is connected to their shit and stuff then all kinds of 'funny synchronicities' start to happen to sway once opinion in favor of their information and those they support.
quote:
"If you do not understand that the Kabbalah has nothing to do with interpreting the Torah, then you miss the point. It is the science of Time, and yes both sides have been using it. The C's want you to grok this. Eleven is the number of the Star Goddess Nuit, as well as the non-location sepheroth of Daat. "


"So, all our measurements on our globe are based on the number 9, and this is NOT a friendly number! The ancient gods were known as 'they who measure,' and this imposition of a 360 degree circle on our world, and a 12 sign zodiac, is part of a system that imposes a frequency or vibration on our reality that is quite destructive. It perpetuates the negative existence."

"When we consider the number 11, or the 3-5 code, which is 3 8's, and 8 plus three equals 11, we find that the cube decomposes into the tesseract, or the cross. The cross is the symbol of the "bad guys." It is inscribed in the circle as evidence of the effect of the negative forces on the cycle of creation... the attempt to "nail Christ to the cross" or "restrict" the spirit... etc etc."


Funny things, at one point there was a direct correlation between their info and doctrine and the Star wars Movie in Which The Sith (Left hand) and the Djedi (Right hand) went at each other. Aka a false dichotomy/hegelian dialectic.
Both serv knowingly or unknowingly the same force.

[vaultkeeper]

Wow..........   a thread full of well informed, well researched facts about the occult.   That is pretty rare for a political conspiracy forum!  

I see a common trend though............ please correct me if I am wrong, but this is the overall feeling I get from this thread...........

The left hand path is "bad" and the right hand path is "good"

lol

What many fail to see, or at the very least, did not choose to mention, is that the dark side actually does have a purpose, and it is not a cosmic accident.  

The left hand path and the right hand path are BOTH valid paths that are necessary for the overall function of the universe.    

The difference between red and green, or any other two colors - is perceivable by the senses - but at another level of existence beyond the sense prism, they are both reflections of the same light.............

blueocean said:
 They Talk about the left hand and the right hand Path of god and that the only thing that is important is to polarize to either one of them and then do it good, for Both Extreme Polarized paths lead directly to Source/The One at Density Level 7. Aka The Harvest...........

Also the All Overiding "god"-principle is "The Balance". This means practically that it doesn't matter what one does it all gets balanced anyway.  AKA THE ULTIMATE ZOHAR PRINCIPLE for an absolute "Do as thou Will" phylosophy/justification.

This is only used as a justification for evil by the same state of mind where the imposition of their will upon the will of others is not given a second thought.   Focusing on the negative side of this maxim does not mean that it is not true - it is simply a matter of perception.

One path seeks to individualize and become co-creators with the infinite and the other path seeks to be assimilated back into the generating pool.  

Which one would you choose?  

The "individualized" get to mold the substance of the generating pool into infinite creation.   But without the generating pool (the souls assimilated into the black sun), the "individualized" have no purpose, and without the "individualized", the generating pool would be just a swirl of possibilities not capable of manifestation.   From this perspective, neither path is "bad" in the absolute, only different.

blueocean said:

Ever studied what these zionist Talmudists say?

1 Death is the origin of life
2 Non-consciousness is the origin of consciousness
3 everything is random
4 Consciousness does not exist
5 people have no power but are slaves to memes and genes
6 morality does not exist aka Evil is also Good.

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE - however, thanks to DUALITY - everything is symmetrical in design and so the opposite is just as true:


1 Life is the origin of Death
2 Consciousness is the origin of non-consciousness
3 everything is predetermined
4 Consciousness is the only thing that exists
5 people have all the power because the mind of the people created the memes in the first place
6 Morality does exist and Good is also Evil.


The question becomes, will you choose to perceive a "white light" god, or a "dark" satan, or perhaps a greater realization of the ultimate unity of both on a deeper level.    Positive and Negative always swirl in conflict, but the only thing that stops the "conflict" is the equilibrium found in the unity of both.

I have met many sanctimonious white magicians and other spiritually minded bigots who are totally oblivious to the fact that "black magic" and what most people label as "white magic" ARE ACTUALLY THE SAME THING with a different name.  

Many of those who believe themselves to be the whitest of the white "good guys" are unwittingly playing the part of the darkest of the dark "bad guys" and vice versa.   The church is certainly a great example of this juxtaposed duality.   Inversions, inversions, inversions....................

Black and white mindsets are only different according to the degree to which ones will seeks to overpower the will of others.

Those who delineate between good and evil often have the tendency to think of themselves as good.   What an illusory prism to see the world through!   Instead of seeing unity, they see division.   There you have the first step in the raising of a demonic macrobial force.............

I have not yet met a person that considered themselves to be evil, but I have met many who deny their own inner darkness and then project it on others.  This is the seed of true "evil".  They have subconsciously created a witch to hunt, so they are content in their purpose of "fighting" the evil.........  If everyone set aside their quest to save the world from their own inner fears, we might just have peace for a while.

Even the act of praying is, for many people, a selfish act that is influenced by "magic".   Think about that for a second.  

Many spiritual people speak of praying as if it is something pure........... but there would be no reason to pray - unless you are trying to exert an invisible force for the purposes of securing a favored outcome.

Many people pray for themselves and loved ones.   What do they prey for?   More often than not, they prey for the relief of a burden of some sort, or assistance with earthly goals.   What if that perceived burden was actually something that, if endured, would forge a better, stronger character and facilitate personal evolution?

Struggles are half the fun of existence!   Difficulty, obstacles, and even pain can assist in deeper realization in many cases, so why would you wish the pain away from someone you love when it might have something valuable to teach them?

The energies of fear and love entangled create this sacred geometry that "boxes in" consciousness, and the physical crystallized world would cease to exist if either energy did not exist in relative equilibrium.   The "Dark" Occultists know this and they use controlled imbalances to benefit themselves at the expense of others.   That does not mean that the knowledge they possess is not valid........

Here is a little story that I would like to share with you : It is my own little version of the longest story ever told.   It is about me, you, and everyone........

"All that is" is everything. "All that is" is all consciousness.

"All that is" declared: All is possible. All will happen. All will be known.

In order to fulfill the omniscience of all-knowing, "all that is" had to loose itself and experience not knowing.

And so it was that "All that is" decided to forget everything and become "All that could be".

"All that could be" then became subjected to ----------- all that could possibly happen.

The "luciferian" state of being were are currently experiencing is but one of infinite possibilities.

However, even the very luciferian principle itself is only a catalyzing agent for experience, conflict, and entertainment for the great mind of "All that is".

That is the completion, which itself, is never complete............. gotta love the essence of infinity.

Disclaimer:

I only utter a defense of the dark side because within me you will find both light and dark, and I can relate to them both equally.   In that subtle truth, I have lost the ability to get irrationally angry, and I can now truly forgive others for their "sins" against me.   If I continued perceive them as "wrong" and myself as "right", I would be fighting them forever - thrashing at the reflection of my own inner darkness......

[blueocean]

Hi Vaultkeeper,

thank you for providing the opportunity to clarify some things to you..............

Wow.......... a thread full of well informed, well researched facts about the occult. That is pretty rare for a political conspiracy forum!

This is not a political conspiracy forum, THIS is a Forum of Facts about The Zionist Talmudic Control of this world!

I see a common trend though............ please correct me if I am wrong, but this is the overall feeling I get from this thread...........

The left hand path is "bad" and the right hand path is "good"

Nope..........., What I am trying to make clear is that all these are hegelian dialectics and controlled opposites.  The Rotchilds are of the 'third way', they control BOTH sides.  The same thing goes for the occult shit!

What many fail to see, or at the very least, did not choose to mention, is that the dark side actually does have a purpose, and it is not a cosmic accident.
The left hand path and the right hand path are BOTH valid paths that are necessary for the overall function of the universe.

Sorry to say but.....brainwashed you have become  :[     It is a fucking lie that somehow both paths are necessary for the overall function of the universe.
In practical terms you are saying: Kiddieporn and pedophelia are necessary for the function of the universe.  Zionist parasites are necessary also.  War is necesssary, Evil is somehow necessary for without evil there is no good  (Say what? what the F!!!).  It is like hearing a catholic priest saying to a boy he is raping: "it is okay son, all this is good and necessary.........and supposed to happen, don't complain just accept it"

The difference between red and green, or any other two colors - is perceivable by the senses - but at another level of existence beyond the sense prism, they are both reflections of the same light.............

You are basically saying: "it is all the same it doesn't matter".   :bs:

This is only used as a justification for evil by the same state of mind where the imposition of their will upon the will of others is not given a second thought. Focusing on the negative side of this maxim does not mean that it is not true - it is simply a matter of perception

You are basically saying: "Truth does not exist, it is all a matter of perception"   :bs:  

This kind of confusion is a very strong mind control tool actually, people like Alan Watt are experts at it.

One path seeks to individualize and become co-creators with the infinite and the other path seeks to be assimilated back into the generating pool.

Apart from the left-right hand thing being a hegelian dialectic, you are now basically advocating the left hand path for it leads to individualisation and becoming a co-creator with the infinite?  :bs:

New age driffel  :headbang:

Which one would you choose?

And you are now giving me a satanic non-choice of: choose the left hand path or be assimilated.   :smrant:

Am I talking to a mainstream zionist? People get these kinds of democratic non-choices all the time!

 

The "individualized" get to mold the substance of the generating pool into infinite creation. But without the generating pool (the souls assimilated into the black sun), the "individualized" have no purpose, and without the "individualized", the generating pool would be just a swirl of possibilities not capable of manifestation. From this perspective, neither path is "bad" in the absolute, only different.

Are you on acid or have you been given the Whitley Strieber treatment?  Getting axxFxxxxd by    
'' grey aliens and then hailing them and their doctrine for saving the planet.

blueocean said:

Ever studied what these zionist Talmudists say?

1 Death is the origin of life
2 Non-consciousness is the origin of consciousness
3 everything is random
4 Consciousness does not exist
5 people have no power but are slaves to memes and genes
6 morality does not exist aka Evil is also Good.

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE - however, thanks to DUALITY - everything is symmetrical in design and so the opposite is just as true:.

Which masonic black and white lodge are you from?  (interesting choice of words....AB-solutely true)



1 Life is the origin of Death  (Life is the origin yes)
3 everything is predetermined (nope)
6 Morality does exist (yes) and Good is also Evil. (can be but is NOT an AB-solute)

The question becomes, will you choose to perceive a "white light" god, or a "dark" satan, or perhaps a greater realization of the ultimate unity of both on a deeper level. Positive and Negative always swirl in conflict, but the only thing that stops the "conflict" is the equilibrium found in the unity of both..

I know all about this kind of enlightenment talk crap from the new age. It all says Truth does not exist, all truth are relative (zionists and satanists actually came up with this philosophy in the first place).
I actually confronted one of these enlightenment teachers who was teaching the same crap as you, with a hypothetical question: "What would you do if I show up in your Satsang/Darshan meeting with a knife and try to stab you?"  "Would you defend yourself? Or just see the Knife as something relative and happy in the bgger scheme of things? "  

( he woke up for  10 seconds, and then went to sleep again....................)

I have met many sanctimonious white magicians and other spiritually minded bigots who are totally oblivious to the fact that "black magic" and what most people label as "white magic" ARE ACTUALLY THE SAME THING with a different name. ..

Yup Hegelian dialectic...........thanks for proving my point

Many of those who believe themselves to be the whitest of the white "good guys" are unwittingly playing the part of the darkest of the dark "bad guys" and vice versa. The church is certainly a great example of this juxtaposed duality. Inversions, inversions, inversions....................

Truth has been inverted allright.   (in china white is the color of death, both black and white are inorganic and achromatic colors, no wonder they mirror one another)

Those who delineate between good and evil often have the tendency to think of themselves as good. What an illusory prism to see the world through! Instead of seeing unity, they see division. There you have the first step in the raising of a demonic macrobial force.................................

Seems to me you are on of these 'ILLUSION-stooges' buying into that.......... ;(    (go follow the cult of David Icke)
You made it clear that Truth does not exist for you or matter.

I have not yet met a person that considered themselves to be evil, but I have met many who deny their own inner darkness and then project it on others. This is the seed of true "evil". ..............

Everyone should work upon their own inner darkness and learn from it.  But true evil is something entirely different....... :rubhandsl:

They have subconsciously created a witch to hunt, so they are content in their purpose of "fighting" the evil......... If everyone set aside their quest to save the world from their own inner fears, we might just have peace for a while..

again tidbits of truth but mostly  :bs:    practically you are saying: "stop identifying the criminals, just do nothing and then we might have peace for a while.   What kind of zionist double speak are you using?

Many people pray for themselves and loved ones. What do they prey for? More often than not, they prey for the relief of a burden of some sort, or assistance with earthly goals. What if that perceived burden was actually something that, if endured, would forge a better, stronger character and facilitate personal evolution?..

do me a favor and give that same speach to the palestinians and to the inmates of guantanamo bay and to the iraqi uranium deformed children and their families...........let me know how it went.

The energies of fear and love entangled create this sacred geometry that "boxes in" consciousness, and the physical crystallized world would cease to exist if either energy did not exist in relative equilibrium.

:bs:  :bs:  :bs:

Here is a little story that I would like to share with you : It is my own little version of the longest story ever told. It is about me, you, and everyone........

"All that is" is everything. "All that is" is all consciousness.

"All that is" declared: All is possible. All will happen. All will be known.

In order to fulfill the omniscience of all-knowing, "all that is" had to loose itself and experience not knowing.

And so it was that "All that is" decided to forget everything and become "All that could be".

"All that could be" then became subjected to ----------- all that could possibly happen.

The "luciferian" state of being were are currently experiencing is but one of infinite possibilities.

However, even the very luciferian principle itself is only a catalyzing agent for experience, conflict, and entertainment for the great mind of "All that is".

New age  :bs:   !!!

I only utter a defense of the dark side because within me you will find both light and dark, and I can relate to them both equally.

Simple question to you: Does the light need the shadow to exist?  Or is it the shadow that needs the light (and something blocking the light) to exist?


BLUE

[Anonymous]

What many fail to see, or at the very least, did not choose to mention, is that the dark side actually does have a purpose, and it is not a cosmic accident.

The left hand path and the right hand path are BOTH valid paths that are necessary for the overall function of the universe.

... neither path is "bad" in the absolute, only different.

The question becomes, will you choose to perceive a "white light" god, or a "dark" satan, or perhaps a greater realization of the ultimate unity of both on a deeper level. Positive and Negative always swirl in conflict, but the only thing that stops the "conflict" is the equilibrium found in the unity of both.

Those who delineate between good and evil often have the tendency to think of themselves as good. What an illusory prism to see the world through! Instead of seeing unity, they see division. There you have the first step in the raising of a demonic macrobial force.............

That is such fracking bullshit.  That new age 'laisse faire' 'matter-of-perception' is malarkey.  Evil is evil, and it shouldn't be happening.  Full stop (As HHQ says).  You may be a knowledgeable guy who knows much about the occult and philosophical spectrum of information, but please do not start pushing this type of stuff (even if it is only to be a devils advocate).  People need to stop pushing this 'duality' nonsense that permits people to accept evil/bad in our world.

This is just my perception of things.  This forum was to be focused on exposing crimes of the evil fuckers (as I understood it).  Discussing this type of occult philosophical stuff gets us no where fast and detracts from the actual issues by somewhat being apologetic to their evil behavior and actions!

I'm not saying to not post here vaultkeeper.  But how about posting actual relevant stuff that shows the wrong being committed all around us in the form of evidence instead of coming up with existential rhetoric.  I believe this is why there should not be a symbolism/occult section to begin with, as it is but a distraction that never ends and is ultimately useless.  It is good info to know about, but it gets you nowhere in the battle of stopping this evil shite.

If any admin here differs from my stance on this, please express it.  I don't see any need for this kind of apologetic discussion of "dark", evil or bad people.

Peace.

[Anonymous]

bluecoean... WELL SAID.  I stand by your statements.  Too bad I didn't read them before I was typing mine up  I would have said "what blueocean said, and..." LOL

Peace.

[blueocean]

aZiXX,

Well said broh


Mr Vaultkeeper in another thread said:  "  I do not think that zionists are the ultimate power, they are just another group that poses great influence during our present era. "  



Furthermore: The Occult Dialectic Doctrine he is spouting is actually the BS-nonsense that people get fed to keep them docile and under the control of The Talmudic Zionist satanic Elite.


I am trying to expose their Occult Stuff and their lies, AND Provide Stuff that will undo all their shit.

True 'Spirituality' (or whatever label you use) shows the obviousness of their crap and Knows Truth from Lies.

It isn't all that complicated really once the curtain has been pulled........

[Anonymous]

Mr Vaultkeeper in another thread said: " I do not think that zionists are the ultimate power, they are just another group that poses great influence during our present era. "

I agree with him there.  Zionism is just another concoction for our new (or relatively new) era of time.  Groups come and go, the evil stays.  Call it a "brotherhood", whatever, it was created to further the ultimate agenda.  Its just easier to call them Zionists as they are what we currently see as being the top notch guys because of their support for Israel, etc.  Zionism is just a tool for them to use.  Tamludic-Occult-Satanic-Lucifarian-Cabbalistic-Zionist-(Jews) is too long a phrase for me LOL.  Too bad we can't come up with an accurate name... I'd remove Zionist because its too new relative to the other epithetic terms, but is usefull to identify them in our current days I suppose.

[HammerHead]

Great answer blueocean !

How can vaultkeeper expect us to beleive that bad is good ?
Just let's bend over and keep getting it in the ass.
Give up and eventually be assimilated because it's part of the plan.

NEVER

[vaultkeeper]

Matters of perception....... all of it.    

Funny thing is........... I agree with all of you about most things.   You are all right about many things..........from your center of perspective.

This forum has many great facts about zionist agenda, the occult powers underlying the power structure, but how can one judge the old knowledge when it has always been in the hands of those who have misused it?

There are those who are definitely "evil" by most definitions of the word.

I am not excusing pedophiles, murderers or mass genocidalists of any kind.  

How do I define evil? - anyone that forces their will on another.   period.   no imaginary lines drawn.   They are only evil because they are unconscious, and if the reaction of their deeds is ultimately death at the hands of an angry mob, so be it............. they brought the reaction on themselves......  

Pardon me for calling this forum a political forum but it does happen to have many political articles about Israel and their political agenda.   I realize that it is all supporting the central theme of zionist domination.

Zionism, Freemasonry, and Talmudic theology have been distorted the same way all major philosophies have been -   at the hands of sociopaths and the ignorant sheep that play into them.  Any philosophy can be twisted to fit an agenda of self-serving individuals.

AND - the Rothschilds are not the sole proprietors of  "OCCULT SHIT"- what a narrow point of view that reveals.   The uncreative social leaches of the world did not create the material that they use to spin their web, they just twist the winding threads into silvery traps.

You can attack me, but all I will ever do is share a limitless perspective.........

Words and thoughts are themselves very limited, so I guess I cannot totally accomplish that last statement........

[vaultkeeper]

That is such fracking bullshit.  That new age 'laisse faire' 'matter-of-perception' is malarkey.  Evil is evil, and it shouldn't be happening.  Full stop (As HHQ says).  You may be a knowledgeable guy who knows much about the occult and philosophical spectrum of information, but please do not start pushing this type of stuff (even if it is only to be a devils advocate).  People need to stop pushing this 'duality' nonsense that permits people to accept evil/bad in our world.

This is just my perception of things.  This forum was to be focused on exposing crimes of the evil fuckers (as I understood it).  Discussing this type of occult philosophical stuff gets us no where fast and detracts from the actual issues by somewhat being apologetic to their evil behavior and actions!

I'm not saying to not post here vaultkeeper.  But how about posting actual relevant stuff that shows the wrong being committed all around us in the form of evidence instead of coming up with existential rhetoric.  I believe this is why there should not be a symbolism/occult section to begin with, as it is but a distraction that never ends and is ultimately useless.  It is good info to know about, but it gets you nowhere in the battle of stopping this evil shite.

If any admin here differs from my stance on this, please express it.  I don't see any need for this kind of apologetic discussion of "dark", evil or bad people.

Peace.

Honestly - politics has never gotten the world very far.........  these social cancers are only given power because the people give it to over to them, and politics is the twisted mess that keeps you just distracted enough not too see the underlying reality..........

One glaringly obvious fact that many never seem to think about or do not choose to mention : If people stopped joining the militaries of the world, the powers of the elite would be NOTHING!!!!!   really...........  and why do you think it is that people keep enlisting in the armed forces?  

They think there is evil they need to be fighting!  

While this is true on a certain level, they are unable to see that they evil they seek to fight controls every military force.   Also the thought of "well, if we dont have an army, the evil ones will surely raise one......."  that attitude also keeps the powers that be - in power.  

The main three things that lead to the situation we are in:

1.   There is evil in the world that you need to help clean up.
2.   You are on the side of the good guys.
3.   Go get em!

Even the powers that be are convinced that they are doing the world a great service by ridding the world of evil.    The freedom of the public is evil to them.   Many of those who fight against our true spiritual freedom and oppress us -  they think they are really saving us.

Just think of all the oppressive murderous things that the sociopaths of the world could not accomplish if we were not signing up for their armies.

just a thought...........

[Anonymous]

True, armies are tools for their goals.  In a perfect world there would be no need for armies.  But alas, we live in a fracked up world, where there are bad people who manipulate the minds of the sheeple into seeing enemies where there are none... the future enemies being us.  So we need militia/army type organizations in order to preserve and defend the righteous good that exists, or else we let it fall and die out, and then they win.  I for one choose to not surrender and let them win.  Evil must be stopped.

[vaultkeeper]

I suppose that as long as your militias remain in operation only for defense, there would not be a problem.  

It might be a good idea to only have a militia formed during times of imminent danger and disband when not in use.  

The trouble is - if you are convinced that you always need to be on the defensive, then the militia does not disband, and usually only grows.

Eventually the most established militia becomes larger and larger.   It gains pride and is respected by many who treasure its ideals and protection.   Then here comes the sociopath, attracted to all things that bring power and respect.  

The sociopath remains undetected, and eventually wins the respect of everyone through charismatic deceit.  Then the sociopath decides to invent conflict that the militia men must defend against............ the cycle begins a new........  and this is the way it always happens.   The seed of empire.  Rome was not built in a day........

[GordZilla]

I suppose that as long as your militias remain in operation only for defense, there would not be a problem.  

It might be a good idea to only have a militia formed during times of imminent danger and disband when not in use.  

The trouble is - if you are convinced that you always need to be on the defensive, then the militia does not disband, and usually only grows.

Eventually the most established militia becomes larger and larger.   It gains pride and is respected by many who treasure its ideals and protection.   Then here comes the sociopath, attracted to all things that bring power and respect.  

The sociopath remains undetected, and eventually wins the respect of everyone through charismatic deceit.  Then the sociopath decides to invent conflict that the militia men must defend against............ the cycle begins a new........  and this is the way it always happens.   The seed of empire.  Rome was not built in a day........

Yes and from observation of that very cycle was born the old expression; "History always repeats itself"  -now we know why.

-Gord

[vaultkeeper]

You are basically saying: "Truth does not exist, it is all a matter of perception"   :bs:  

Truth exists, but all too often, narrow minds want to have the "truth" boiled down to one convenient story to believe in a fight over.   The ability to feel empathy and see all sides of the story, but not necessarily agree with all sides, is the ability to truly transcend the pit of hate.

Apart from the left-right hand thing being a hegelian dialectic, you are now basically advocating the left hand path for it leads to individualisation and becoming a co-creator with the infinite?  :bs:

New age driffel  :headbang:

The left and right path of the occult can be further divided into two main types:   Those who would never consider forcing their will upon another, and those who do not think twice about it.   It does not matter if the latter group wishes to help you or hurt you, the key is that they have no problem seeking to override your free will.   Be it mass hypnosis, indoctrination, or outright economic domination, they are always seeking to divide us because that is key to their strength.  

I would say that the only way to judge a persons path and motives is to back off and ask - is he/she forcing anything on anyone or seeking to have dominant influence over others without or without their knowledge?

As for being a co-creator with the infinite - its an idea that can only be perceived by those who feel a connection to the infinite and do not feel estranged from it.   They usually feel estranged because they have been trained to fear everything.    

And you are now giving me a satanic non-choice of: choose the left hand path or be assimilated.   :smrant:

Am I talking to a mainstream zionist? People get these kinds of democratic non-choices all the time!

Very perceptive - you chose a wise answer.........   you do not have to choose either path!   There is an equilibrium that comes from the knowledge that there are infinite possibilities, so you should never look at things as being "black" and "white".

You can make your own path.......... and in this effort, if sustained in love without fear, you can become "co-creator" with the infinite.  Whether you chose to see that statement as metaphor or as a reality is up to you, but even then you could still choose to see it as something different entirely, that is the essence of creative mind........

You are not talking to a zionist.   I do not place a label on myself, although many people within this world seem to have no problem finding ways to label me  

Are you on acid or have you been given the Whitley Strieber treatment?  Getting axxFxxxxd by    
'' grey aliens and then hailing them and their doctrine for saving the planet.

I do not take psychedelics to experience my inner reflections on reality.  I have not been abducted - to my knowledge.   The greys do not appear to be here to save the planet.   At least - if you look around you with a trained eye, they would be doing a pretty lousy job.  

Which masonic black and white lodge are you from?  (interesting choice of words....AB-solutely true)

Again......... very perceptive, however, I hold an oath to no lodge - black or white.   I was once a student of the Rose Croix, but left of my own accord because my path of initiation is personal and ceremony in any lodge no longer interests me.  

I know all about this kind of enlightenment talk crap from the new age. It all says Truth does not exist, all truth are relative (zionists and satanists actually came up with this philosophy in the first place).
I actually confronted one of these enlightenment teachers who was teaching the same crap as you, with a hypothetical question: "What would you do if I show up in your Satsang/Darshan meeting with a knife and try to stab you?"  "Would you defend yourself? Or just see the Knife as something relative and happy in the bgger scheme of things? "  

( he woke up for  10 seconds, and then went to sleep again....................)

Perhaps it is was both of you who woke up for a few seconds and then returned to sleep.  

Truth has been inverted allright.   (in china white is the color of death, both black and white are inorganic and achromatic colors, no wonder they mirror one another)

True ......

Everyone should work upon their own inner darkness and learn from it.  But true evil is something entirely different....... :rubhandsl:

Please define true evil then............  I bet our definitions might be be very similar.

again tidbits of truth but mostly  :bs:    practically you are saying: "stop identifying the criminals, just do nothing and then we might have peace for a while.   What kind of zionist double speak are you using?

No that is not what I am saying.   I am saying that playing into the will to fight is the cause of perpetual fighting - period.

Simple question to you: Does the light need the shadow to exist?  Or is it the shadow that needs the light (and something blocking the light) to exist?

That is a very beautiful statement and poetically charges the point where our point of views actually meet....... for a brief second.  

The light does not need the shadow to exist, however, the instance light came into perception, shadow was a direct possibility.   And all possibilities will come to be eventually........

[blueocean]

The main three things that lead to the situation we are in:

1.   There is evil in the world that you need to help clean up.
2.   You are on the side of the good guys.
3.   Go get em!

Nope this is a simplification that only touches the surface of a small side issue truth, but does not get to the truth itself!

it comes from a faulty perception as described below by you.

Even the powers that be are convinced that they are doing the world a great service by ridding the world of evil.    The freedom of the public is evil to them.   Many of those who fight against our true spiritual freedom and oppress us -  they think they are really saving us.

Nope they are NOT convinced that they are doing the world a great service, and they do NOT think they are really saving us. This is freaking nonsense.  :smrant:

15 years ago when I still thought that the problems in this world were by accident and the result of good intentions going wrong,a nd that the elite only want to save us (aka the mainbstream sheeple-view of the world), that is what equates to this  'limitless viewpoint.........'  described by you here.

[blueocean]

As for being a co-creator with the infinite - its an idea that can only be perceived by those who feel a connection to the infinite and do not feel estranged from it.  

It is all about which 'infinite'you are connected to. I say that your 'infinite' is actually the collective subconscious or unconscious aka the ID.  Meaning that computerlike artificial non-intelligence and awareness is actually your ultimate absolute 'God' .  (wishmaster machine/cube).

The Rosecrusians 'Rose' actually is a spider........................... (yeeeh  spider and archons what would be the connection?)

Perhaps it is was both of you who woke up for a few seconds and then returned to sleep.  

This guy Tony Parson, his phylosophy is nothing more than veiled nihilism.  

Please define true evil then............  I bet our definitions might be be very similar.

For one thing this kind of evil is deliberate and premeditated.

No that is not what I am saying.   I am saying that playing into the will to fight is the cause of perpetual fighting - period.

yes and no.

The light does not need the shadow to exist, however, the instance light came into perception, shadow was a direct possibility.   And all possibilities will come to be eventually........

You are talking like a computer again (subsconscious/unconscious type of consciousness).

when a computer plots out a path from A to B it needs to calculate ALL paths in order to get from A to B.  (the more paths and possibilities the longer it takes ad infinitum)

A Human simply knows.

And for the rest Lets hope for you that not all possibilities come to be eventually, for I assure you you wouldn't want that, once you have thought it through real good.

[vaultkeeper]

Even those that are doing this for the purposes of enslaving a race for labor, generation of energy, etc, are still convinced that their way is the true way.   The path chosen by the ones you call "the zionists" is a path of limitation just like the mindset they seek to inspire.  

It is true that there are those who are so bitter that the only intentions they have are contaminated with contempt for mankind.    I now pose the question, how did this contempt for humanity come into existence? .......

[vaultkeeper]

You are talking like a computer again (subsconscious/unconscious type of consciousness).

when a computer plots out a path from A to B it needs to calculate ALL paths in order to get from A to B.  (the more paths and possibilities the longer it takes ad infinitum)

A Human simply knows.

And for the rest Lets hope for you that not all possibilities come to be eventually, for I assure you you wouldn't want that, once you have thought it through real good.

A human simply knows.......... that sounds like the exact thing a mystic or a rosicrucian/hermetic will tell you.

How is it that you think you "just know"?  

That "knowledge" is being drawn from that very pool of subconscious that you seem to demonize.

[vaultkeeper]

when a computer plots out a path from A to B it needs to calculate ALL paths in order to get from A to B.  (the more paths and possibilities the longer it takes ad infinitum)

A Human simply knows.

You hit the bulls-eye with your observation that the computer needs to calculate before it moves.   This is the essence of the what has the potential to stifle the creative part of our being.

This reminds me of a lesson that I learned a few years ago.  

I have been a guitar player since age 12.   I used to play only by ear and feel.   I wrote many songs and could improvise on the spot with my band for hours on end.   Then I studied music theory.   This just about destroyed my creativity.  For almost 2 years, I found it difficult to just let go and let the feeling flow.   My knowledge of all the possibilities caused me to stand still and my ability to create my own music was stunted.  

But eventually I learned to let it flow again.   The difference is that now I have the technical knowledge and finger dexterity to accomplish things that I would not have been able to if I had not learned the theory.   The combination of theory and inspiration give me a stronger ability because the patterns that my mind creates rise in complexity - but focusing on that same complexity in detail kills the moment.   Ah hah......... lightbulbs flashing everywhere.

Thanks!

[blueocean]

Even those that are doing this for the purposes of enslaving a race for labor, generation of energy, etc, are still convinced that their way is the true way.  

the way for THEM yes, and not THE true way.


 

I now pose the question, how did this contempt for humanity come into existence?

Do tell me........ (this was a retorical question was it not?   )

How is it that you think you "just know"?

That "knowledge" is being drawn from that very pool of subconscious that you seem to demonize.  

The subcoscious is just that: the sub-conscious.  It is the automated aspect of you, it stores knowledge and works very AI/computerlike, and is basically the target of the Occult Talmudic satanic Kabbalah Black magicians for mind control and hypnosis, enslavement etc.


Elevating that to 'god' is a deathly mistake........................ :beatcow:  ( Or am I now beating THE biggest sacred cow of All the mystic groups/freemasons/rosecrusians/zionists etc etc etc. ?)

[vaultkeeper]

Do tell me........ (this was a retorical question was it not?   )

Yes   - after the exchange we have had in these past two days, I know that you are certainly no fool.....

The subcoscious is just that: the sub-conscious.  It is the automated aspect of you, it stores knowledge and works very AI/computerlike, and is basically the target of the Occult Talmudic satanic Kabbalah Black magicians for mind control and hypnosis, enslavement etc.

yes - but the subconscious is not a useless non-being with no purpose.   The subconsious mind keeps your heart beating and the autonomic nervous system going.  Without it, you would return to unity and cease to exist in the crytalized world - which is not a bad thing in and of itself either.

The subconscious is used as a vehicle for mind control by those who manipulate it for their selfish ends, and most of the population who are unwittingly under the influence of subtle mind control are kept in this state because the lack of awareness of the true power of their subconscious.  

If people suddenly had access to the information stored within - the control mechanism of the puppeteers would fail instantly.  That is where maintream psychology, psychiatry, and other mind sciences come in to pick up the pieces and offer yet more limitations disguised as "truth" to further limit the access to this infinite storehouse.

 The powers that be attempt to influence the subconscious macro entity by "summoning" its power and using it to bind those who are unaware of this part of themselves.

Elevating that to 'god' is a deathly mistake........................ :beatcow:  ( Or am I now beating THE biggest sacred cow of All the mystic groups/freemasons/rosecrusians/zionists etc etc etc. ?)

You will find no sacred cows here.  

I do not think of the subconscious as "god".   It is a piece of god, but so is the conscious mind.   In very crude terms you could say that they are two halves of the same whole.  The subconscious is not elevated to god status except by those who practice worship of themselves or an outside entity or idea.

The path of godhood is a BIG mistake if your purpose is nothing but becoming a god.   That is truly a disastrous path.  Many students of the occult study this path for self-aggrandizing reasons.  

I would compare it to those who go to school for no other purpose than to place into a higher paying job.  Their education is not real, and even though that pretty diploma may secure a higher paying job, they have not earned anything really.   They never were interested in real learning, only the idea of ascending or acquiring.  

Many occultists love to think of the day when utopia is reached and they become gods.   Ironically, they are then aligning themselves with thought centers that will lead them anywhere but the actual experience of being a creator.

Those who do not concentrate on the idea of becoming a god are the more likely candidates for such an existence.   Only through connection to true compassion and love does anyone stand a chance at wielding a  true multi-dimensional cosmic paintbrush.

[blueocean]

yes - but the subconscious is not a useless non-being with no purpose.          

Indeed it is not, ones subconscious has a purpose.


 

The subconsious mind keeps your heart beating and the autonomic nervous system going.  

The subconscious keeps a lot of processes going yes.

 

Without it, you would return to unity and cease to exist in the crytalized world -

Nah it doesn't work that way. Otherwise I could make a lot of money starting a company called "Subconscious removal inc."


 

The powers that be attempt to influence the subconscious macro entity by "summoning" its power and using it to bind those who are unaware of this part of themselves.

True     (insert Talmudic Satanic Black Magic Kabbalah fuckers for "The powers that be")



 

I do not think of the subconscious as "god".   It is a piece of god, but so is the conscious mind.   In very crude terms you could say that they are two halves of the same whole.  .

Proving my point/critique this statement does............Boxed in perception is.



 

Only through connection to true compassion and love does anyone stand a chance at wielding a  true multi-dimensional cosmic paintbrush.

Then drop the non-loving duality occult philosophies that you use.  
( saying that good is the same as evil and that it all doesn't matter in the big scheme of things is definitively non-loving.  Doing evil to bring out good is zohar left-hand anti-loving crap.  AND also contradicts your call for non-fighting, cause if the dark brings the light than starting fighting brings peace according to this duality occult philosophy).

[vaultkeeper]

Nah it doesn't work that way. Otherwise I could make a lot of money starting a company called "Subconscious removal inc."

I think I might be knit-picking your choice of wording, but excuse me - the whole concept of making money aligns your self with the "fuckers" that be.  I would hope you wouldn't ever venture for moneys sake - ever.

I think I need to reword what I said in my last post.   You wouldn't return to unity if you separated from subconscious, because unity would be becoming whole, not separating.   People being completely separated from their subconscious stream thanks to covert manipulation is part of the reason why self-serving people can influence this stream so easily.

I think that the very words we are using to speak with each other are labels that serve to confuse when trying to talk about subjects that are truly beyond words.  I think on some level we agree, but our use of different terms and ways to describe things is causing a veil between understanding.  Linguistic triggers are embedded within every syllable of the roman, english, and most spoken languages.   So every word we type to each other has the potential to mislead because of our own emotional strings that are attached to the labeling system.   The ideas are pure, but the labels have emotions attached and therefore confuse.   I am speaking for myself, not necessarily you......

Proving my point/critique this statement does............Boxed in perception is.

I am beginning to see what your main point is.   The very idea of limitless existence and duality can be limiting in and of itself -  if one allows it to polarize into "evil" creates good and this concept being OK.

Then drop the non-loving duality occult philosophies that you use.  
( saying that good is the same as evil and that it all doesn't matter in the big scheme of things is definitively non-loving.  Doing evil to bring out good is zohar left-hand anti-loving crap.  AND also contradicts your call for non-fighting, cause if the dark brings the light than starting fighting brings peace according to this duality occult philosophy).

let me step into a different angle for a second.....

Would you define love as a selfish attachment to the way another being makes you feel or would you define it as caring about them to a such a high degree that you simply allow them to "be".   Whether the person chooses to "be" something you approve of does not matter - if you really love them.

Example:

Which parent truly loves their child?

The parent who allows their child to ride his/her bike down a steep hill and get all banged up - the worst scenario being concussion and/or head trauma/death, or the parent who keeps their child inside for the sake of avoiding their own worries - ie - the pain and physical suffering of the child.  

One could argue that the parent who keeps their child from getting hurt loves them the most, but I totally disagree, it is the parent who lets their kids "be" and experience, not the ones who bury their children in their own fears that actually love.   The ones who over protect seem to love their own comfort more than the childs will to experience - that is NOT love.  

Back to the main subject.

Duality does exist at one level of reality, that is the funny part.   One should not use it to defend "evil" - the evil ones will always try to twist any principle or idea to their advantage.   All truth is distorted by those who use it for selfish reasons.   That doesn't mean that it the underlying "truth" does not exist - it has just been molded into a half-truth, which becomes a lie if one is not willing to scratch under the surface......

Witnessing outright evil acts (like witnessing a murder, etc...) can shock a sleeping soul into waking from its trance, but I think I would agree with you that the original evil was not necessary to do this.    Evil beings unwittingly give others the change to see light because - sometimes that just happens to be a consequence of their acts - they did not plan on it, but they cant keep all souls in subjectivity forever.   Witnessing things like this can also do the exact opposite - bury the soul.   I do realize that as well.

I do not stand in justification of evil, but I do advocate an understanding of it, which has helped me uproot my personal hatreds and biases.  If one wishes to have any chances of winning against the powers that be, harboring hate will only distort reasoning and make vital decisions unclear and even harder to make.

[blueocean]

Nah it doesn't work that way. Otherwise I could make a lot of money starting a company called "Subconscious removal inc."

I think I might be knit-picking your choice of wording, but excuse me - the whole concept of making money aligns your self with the "fuckers" that be.  I would hope you wouldn't ever venture for moneys sake - ever.

Sorry that you missed the sarcastic humor in my remark.

I think that the very words we are using to speak with each other are labels that serve to confuse when trying to talk about subjects that are truly beyond words.  I think on some level we agree, but our use of different terms and ways to describe things is causing a veil between understanding.  Linguistic triggers are embedded within every syllable of the roman, english, and most spoken languages.   So every word we type to each other has the potential to mislead because of our own emotional strings that are attached to the labeling system.   The ideas are pure, but the labels have emotions attached and therefore confuse.   I am speaking for myself, not necessarily you.......

two things: 1 The english language (and maybe a lot of others to)  is actually a kabbalistic language completely designed by Francis Bacon and Co.  with lots of inverse meanings and strange annotations to demonology etc.
2 Go see the documentary "The Trap" download from concentral.  That way you will see that your precious rosecrucian/freemasonic etc. infinity freedom is used for your and others absolute enslavement.

Would you define love as a selfish attachment to the way another being makes you feel or would you define it as caring about them to a such a high degree that you simply allow them to "be".   Whether the person chooses to "be" something you approve of does not matter - if you really love them.

Example:

Which parent truly loves their child?

The parent who allows their child to ride his/her bike down a steep hill and get all banged up - the worst scenario being concussion and/or head trauma/death, or the parent who keeps their child inside for the sake of avoiding their own worries - ie - the pain and physical suffering of the child.  

One could argue that the parent who keeps their child from getting hurt loves them the most, but I totally disagree, it is the parent who lets their kids "be" and experience, not the ones who bury their children in their own fears that actually love.   The ones who over protect seem to love their own comfort more than the childs will to experience - that is NOT love.   .......

From your example I see you still have the mainstream blinders on.  This is an example one would give who is still into the fox/cnn daily reality. that all the problems in this world are natural and simple the result of good intentions and people with good intentions gone wrong or not working together very welll.  :bs:

I say 'Evil persists when good man do nothing' .   Allowing this kind of ridiculous satanic evil out of so called 'love' is really really fucked up :headbang:

I do not stand in justification of evil, but I do advocate an understanding of it, which has helped me uproot my personal hatreds and biases.  If one wishes to have any chances of winning against the powers that be, harboring hate will only distort reasoning and make vital decisions unclear and even harder to make.

You are a good candidate for doing 'the work' by Byron Katie.  After you have done 'the work' all is good and evil no longer exists.  You will be in great peace with all that is going on, it is all just happening in the now moment.  Enjoy the ride!


ps do you also have information that can really expose and undo these Talmudic Satanic Kabbalists?  :|

[vaultkeeper]

two things: 1 The english language (and maybe a lot of others to)  is actually a kabbalistic language completely designed by Francis Bacon and Co.  with lots of inverse meanings and strange annotations to demonology etc.
2 Go see the documentary "The Trap" download from concentral.  That way you will see that your precious rosecrucian/freemasonic etc. infinity freedom is used for your and others absolute enslavement.

I actually left the rosicrucian order because I could feel its limitations on thought and spirituality .   One key reason I left the lodge is because the order as a whole had become so overtly businesslike.   The principles I learned under the instruction of the temple never interested me.   I was only interested in the dark powers that control this world, and no one but the master of the lodge had the awareness speak to me on a higher level about that subject.   The qi gong healing techniques taught by the eastern mystics of the lodge were also a  focus of mine.   All the so-called insights the rosicrucians try to "teach" were already ideas I had had before.   The master of the lodge where I was resident used to speak about how the top of our order had been infested by the nephilim a long time ago and it was crucial to look within instead of looking into books and instruction.   He even mentioned John Dee, and Francis Bacon as being influenced by the dark star.   The old master and I talked many times about how the true forces of good would never form a hierarchical order, because they very nature of a hierarchy is opposed to that idea.  He left the order as well.  

I think you have given me some great insights.  

From your example I see you still have the mainstream blinders on.  This is an example one would give who is still into the fox/cnn daily reality. that all the problems in this world are natural and simple the result of good intentions and people with good intentions gone wrong or not working together very well.  :bs:

Good people with good intentions fucking things up because they are working with implanted limitation and thus causing a mess where ever they go - that is part of the design.   A BIG part of it.  That does not mean that there is not a force that steers the ship.   And yes - even some at the top of the pyramid do think that they are doing the world a service because they have been trained to think of humanity as "profane barbarians".   They believe that "the barbarians" must be rigidly controlled - otherwise all life on earth would be in danger.   How the masses became profane barbarians in the first place is not given much thought......... or they attempt to explain it in terms of evolution theory saying that the elite are simply more "evolved".   Genetically modified is more like it.     The level above these human elite is actually made of mostly non-humans........... and at this level - they know exactly what they are doing.

As for TV..........

Everyone probably already knows this, but TV is crucial to the systems propagation of mass hypnosis.  Black Magi have controlled the flow of energy on this planet for quite a while, but they reached the pinnacle of their hypnotic abilities when TV and electronic multi-media was introduced.  

I had a funny old substitute math teacher in Jr High.   His name was Mr. Tcorbia and he warned us that TV was a hypnotic device.  He said he knew this because the helped to design the modern cathode ray tube, which was designed for military propaganda.  We laughed at him back then....... I am no longer laughing.

Most monitors have a refresh rate of 60=75 hrtz  - this acts somewhat like a strobe light flashing just out of perception.  A lot of the ideas and situation/reaction scenarios seen on TV pass straight into the subconscious and form the basis of the persons personality.   This is why many people are nothing more than a frakensteinish composite of what they have seen on the tube.   It always annoys the piss out of me when people try to reference a movie or a show to explain a concept they are trying to convey.   It shows the level of boobtube implanted so deep they cannot even begin to reason without becoming TV.

Strike at this root and I have a feeling that it would put a huge crack in the auto-hypnotic shell.  The powers that be will be there with a replacement for sure - as we are dealing with grand improvisors.

The english language is now the main language being forced on nations for international communication.   This is no accident.   Undoing TV's damage might be somewhat easy compared to toppling the power of a cryptic language.

Most of the information that I have gathered about the dark powers - you probably already know, what I do not have is a practical method of dealing with them on a large scale.   Where to start..................?

[blueocean]

Language is like a programming code for computers.

English is a Black Magic Controlled language of angles (freemasonic kabbalistic etc., right eye of horus) and also very much inverted and separating. and 'cubing' in the minds of people and thereby .......................................................... trying to control human destiny from here till eternity......................... :rubhandsl: