Being Savage # 54 - The Black Plague

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Anonymous

Jewish customs with regards to Hygene
Jews to blame for the Black Plague?
When did the Black Plague occur?
Saturn in Scorpio - a bad omen - sign of famine and plague
are parts bible [old and new] written during the time of the plague

Interesting write up

Jewish History Sourcebook:
The Black Death and the Jews 1348-1349 CE

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/jewish/1 ... death.html

QuoteThe confession of Agimet is found in the Appendix to Johann S. Schilter's 1698 edition of the Middle High German chronicle of the Strasbourg historian, Jacob von Königshofen (1346-1420).

once again the source of an earlier age is found closer to our time.

QuoteI. The Confession of Agimet of Geneva, Châtel, October 20, 1348

The year of our Lord 1348.

On Friday, the 10th of the month of October, at Châtel

amazing dates considering that the time line was created in the 15th century. I wonder how Jacob von Königshofen knew what the timeline was going to be

Anonymous

photo's of the manuscripts of TWINGER VON KÖNIGSHOFEN, JAKOB, Chronik

http://www.textmanuscripts.com/manuscri ... 20cat=p4&#

QuoteCalled the "first German prose history of the world in Upper Germany," this engaging work fuses the world chronicle with the local history of Strasbourg and Alsace. It was written expressly for the cultivated laity and achieved great success in the later Middle Ages. There is no modern critical edition, taking into account the c. 82 manuscripts, and the present copy combining features of all three versions of the text and original, perhaps unique, additions merits further study. Copies are exceptionally rare on the market.

QuoteWritten in Alsace in the middle of the fifteenth century according to the script and the watermarks

QuoteJacob Königshofen

More properly JACOB TWINGER VON KÖNIGSHOFEN.

Chronicler, b. in 1346 at Königshofen, a village near Strasburg, in Alsace; d. at Strasburg, 27 December, 1420.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08689a.htm

Quotethe manuscript remained in Alsace until at least the second half of the sixteenth century, according to the additions that concern the region.

QuoteOne onwer, already in the fifteenth century, who knew Latin, added two passages (f. 65v, life of Saint Maternus, incipit, "Anno Domini lxxxiiij sanctus Maternus migravit ad Cristum, sepultus in Colo[nia]..."; and f. 156v, epitaph of Sigismond, incipit, "O Roma nym war / das ich Sigmunt din keyser zwar...").

QuoteNot a great deal is known about Jakob Twinger von Königshofen. Born in 1346 Königshofen, a village near Strasbourg in Alsace, he died in Strasbourg on December 27, 1420. He became a priest in 1382, for a time being in charge of the Church of Drusenheim. In 1394, he became notary Apostolic, and in 1395 a canon of St.-Thomas in Strasbourg. There he was placed in charge of the archives, and he kept the stock books and registers. Among his writings, there is a Latin Chronicle, which never achieved great circulation, perhaps because it was not highly original, containing extracts from various authors, as well as a Latin-German grammar, sometimes attributed instead to Closener.

QuoteTwinger von Königshofen's chronicle fits in the tradition of the German universal or world chronicle that begins with the Latin work of Ekkehard of Aura completed in 1125, which he certainly knew, and continues with the German versions of Eike von Repgow and Rudolf von Ems of the thirteenth century. By the fourteenth century, when Twinger von Königshofen wrote, the world chronicle was especially popular and versions written in Lubeck, Ulm, and Nuremberg already existed.

QuoteComposed of five chapters, Jakob Twinger von Königshofen's Chronik begins with the Creation of the World and a history of Jews and Orientals, mainly from the Bible (Ch. 1), and continues with the history of the Emperors, beginning with Julius Caesar (Ch. 2) and the Popes (Ch. 3). It concludes with two chapters on Strasbourg, a history of the Bishops (Ch. 4) and of the town and region (Ch. 5). The mythical founders of Strasbourg, Trebeta and Saint Maternus, are joined to the world history.

QuoteThere are three versions of the Chronik: Version A, dates 1390 ; Version B, dates 1391 and circulates from c.1393. In 1400, the author undertook a third revision of the chronicle continuing its text to 1415, Version C. Version C was never placed in circulation and the author's original manuscript, which was left to Notre-Dame de Strasbourg, burned in 1870.

QuoteAlready in the incunable period, the Chronicle of the Emperors and Popes (Chs. 2 and 3) was published by Johannes Bämler in Augsburg from 1474 to 1487 (GW 3163-3165), attesting to the early success and importance of the work. It was not until 1698 that Schilter published the entire text, but this edition is full of inaccuracies. A nineteenth-century philological edition by Hegel relied on about forty manuscripts (another nineteenth-century edition, that of Mone, includes only selected transcriptions after a few manuscripts of interest for local history). Evidently approximately eighty (82) manuscripts now survive (cf. Klein and Melville, 1995), and these are located mainly in Germany, Switzerland, and eastern France (Alsace). There are at least three copies in Paris, and apart from one copy at the Beinecke Library, Yale University (MS 421, see B. Shailor, Catalogue of Medieval and Renaissance Manuscripts, vol. 2, this is an abbreviated form of Version A), there are none in North America.

Anonymous

http://openlibrary.org/b/OL16987074M/St ... he-Chronik

QuoteStrassburgische Chronik
von Fritsche Closener.
by Fritsche Closener
Published in 1842, Literarischer Verein (Stuttgart)

1842?????

in German and translated to english

http://www.another-view-on-history.de/2 ... ruar-1439/

http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... ry_state0=

QuoteFritsche closer strassburgische chronicle pogrom of Jews in Strasbourg, February 14, 1439

Fritsche Closener, Strassburgische Chronik in: Bibliothek des Literarischen Vereins in Stuttgart (Bd. 1), Stuttgart, 1843 (nicht fiktiv)

notice article uses an 1843 source to describe an event described by Fritsche on 1439 that is attributed to 1349 by the auther of the first article  of this thread. The article head is most likely a mistake

I. The Cremation of Strasbourg Jewry St. Valentine's Day, February 14, 1349 - About The Great Plague And The Burning Of The Jews

QuoteCHIPS FROM A GERMAN WORKSHOP

BY

F. MAX MÜLLER, M. A.,

FOREIGN MEMBER OF THE FRENCH INSTITUTE, ETC.

VOLUME III.

ESSAYS ON LITERATURE, BIOGRAPHY, AND ANTIQUITIES.

NEW YORK:

CHARLES SCRIBNER AND COMPANY.

1871.

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/26572/26 ... 572-h.html

QuoteThe age of chivalry was gone, and there was nothing great or inspiring in the wars which the Emperors had to wage during the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries against their vassals, against the Pope, against the precursors of the Reformation, the Hussites, and against the Turks. In Fritsche Closener's "Chronicle" there is a description of the citizens of Strassburg defending themselves against their bishop in 1312; in Twinger's "Chronicle" a picture of the processions of the Flagellants and the religious enthusiasm of that time (1349). The poems of Suchenwirt and Halbsuter represent the wars of Austria against Switzerland (1386), and Niclas von Weyl's translation gives us a glimpse into the Council of Constance (1414) and the Hussite wars, which were soon to follow

I can not find the original manuscript of Fritsche Closener, so if you can find one post it here

Anonymous

http://www.bible-history.com/isbe/E/EMERODS/

Quoteem'-er-odz `ophalim, techorim): These words are used in the account of the plague which broke out among the Philistines while the captive Ark of the Covenant was in their land. `Ophalim literally means rounded eminences or swellings, and in the Revised Version (British and American) is translated "tumors" (1 Sam 5:6-12). In the Hebrew text of this passage the Qere substitutes for it the word techorim, a term which occurs in the next chapter in the description of the golden models of these swellings that were made as votive offerings (1 Sam 6:11-17). The swellings were symptoms of a plague, and the history is precisely that of the outbreak of an epidemic of bubonic plague. The older writers supposed by comparison of the account in 1 Sam with Ps 78:66 that they were hemorrhoids (or piles), and the older English term in the King James Version is a 16th-century form of that Greek word, which occurs in several medical treatises of the 16th and 17th centuries. There is, however, no evidence that this identification is correct. In the light of the modern research which has proved that the rat-flea (Pulex cheopis) is the most active agent in conveying the virus of plague to the human subject, it is worthy of note that the plague of tumors was accompanied by an invasion of mice (`akhbor) or rats. The rat is not specifically mentioned in the Bible, although it was as common in Canaan and Israelite times as it is today, a fact demonstrated by the frequency with which their bones occur in all strata of the old Palestinian cities, so it is probable that the term used was a generic one for both rodents.
The coincidence of destructive epidemics and invasions of mice is also recorded by Herodotus (ii.141), who preserves a legend that the army of Sennacherib which entered Egypt was destroyed by the agency of mice. He states that a statue of Ptah, commemorating the event, was extant in his day. The god held a mouse in his hand, and bore the inscription: "Whosoever sees me, let him reverence the gods." This may have been a reminiscence of the story in Isa 37:36. For other references see PLAGUE.
Alex. Macalister

yeah it is interesting!

remember Herodotus is 15th 16th creation.

Bubonic plague in the Book of Samuel

http://jrsm.rsmjournals.com/cgi/content/full/98/9/436

is this the Gothic war and Black Plague?????

Plague, rats and the Bible again: a postscript

http://jrsm.rsmjournals.com/cgi/content/full/99/4/169-a

Plague, rats and the Bible again

http://jrsm.rsmjournals.com/cgi/content/full/98/12/533

W M S Russell has trouble because he doesn't understand the geography of the bible.

1 Samu el for those interested

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt08a01.htm

Anonymous

quotes from MEI

QuoteHow was the life of the foreigners· the "Jews" - distinguished
from the life of the local inhabitants?
     In the first place, by strict autonomy, which amounted to self-
isolation. It is important to emphasize: it was not an isolation by
those around them, but primarily and mainly a self-isolation on their
own part. It is not for nothing researchers critically disposed to the
Jews emphasize that "the ghetto walls were built from both sides".
     Such a city had its own police force - the guild watch.

QuoteEach such city had its own government - the "kagal" (council),
headed by "cohen" and "mukadmin", who were independent of the
local authority and who did not report to it. All cohens in the
ghetto had only one ruler over them - a "Jewish bishop", a "court
rabbi". In Spain he bore the title Rab del Corte, in literal translation
"judicial slave".
     Add to this a treasury and a school· truly a state withln a state.
     And one more trait of this caste's life. Closed communities
had the right to their own flags and coats of arms. For example,
the Prague community had a banner decorated with a Star of
David. Note that the right to a pennon (a banner) and coat of
arms was secured only by the dictate of a monarch and given
either for service to the sovereign or for patrimonial services.
(Yaroslav Kesler)
     The local authorities had no jurisdiction in this territory.
The ghetto had its own court - a "lesser Sanhedrim" (from the
Aramaic "sanhedrin" - a "meeting") or "dayanim." It consisted of
23 members of the community and was subordinate only to the
Great Sanhedrin which was located somewhere far away, at the
Temple.
     The legislative base developed was collected in a code of
instructions under the name of the "Galaha" (or "Gamara"), that is
"The Way". The Mishna was the codified law which was created
on the basis of the Galaha. It included 63 treatises and the 6 parts
in them - the sedarim - spanned all facets of the society's life and
expounded the style of behavior of a caste member in all spheres of
his existence.
      1. Zeraim (Seeds) regulates Questions connected with
agriculture and contained a treatise on daily prayers.
     2. Moed (Period) is devoted to holidays, fasts and the Sabbath.
     3. Nashim (Women) touches on, in particular, questions of
marriage, divorce, matrimonial infidelity, nazareev (that is,
monasticism) and vows.
     4. Nezikim (Damages) explained Questions of damage, commercial
 law, judicial procedure, the death penalty and oaths. TillS section
also contains the treatise on ethics - Avot (Dicta of the fathers.)
     5. Kodashim (Holy Things) is about sacrifices, rituals and
service.
     6. Taharot (Purifications) is about problems of ritual

Quotepurity and impurity.
     The text of the Mishna is distinguished by a diversity in language,
style and presentation. This shows that it was compiled over a long
time and by different authors; in a word, they corrected it over the
course of many decades. And, what is very important, it was renewed.
Supplemental collections of rules appeared, in particular, the Baraita -
a supplement to the Mishna. Its name in Aramaic, "baraita", is literally
"externa1." Afterwards the "Shulhan Arukh" (The "Set Table") arose -
a collection which explains the civil and criminal law and adjusts
the rules of everyday life, holidays and marriage. In this, questions of
the acceptability of food, of ritual purity and regulations concerning
mourning also are exanlined in it in detail.
     It is not difficult to understand why this was necessary if one
remembers the times when the "Set Table" was created. Epidemics
of the plague and cholera rebounded one after the other in the
Middle Ages in Europe, carrying away hundreds of thousands of
lives. Quarantine service laws were needed as much as air to
breathe. It was not considered possible to survive without them
in the overcrowded cities. Educated people, the Jews created these
laws. They more closely than anyone else approximated an
understanding of the nature of the deathly illness and worked out
special rules of hygiene and sanitation.
     It is no accident that, from those times on, emigrants from the
Jewish Ghettos had the reputation of being the best doctors. Any
feudal lord who respected himself had in his court or castle a
Jewish court doctor.

Anonymous

**** Official accepted history dating

http://www.loyno.edu/~history/journal/1996-7/Smith.html

QuoteThe Athenian plague occurred in [430-26 B.C.] **** during the Peloponnesian War, which was fought between Athens and Sparta from [431 to 404]****. Because of overcrowded wartime conditions in the city, the plague spread quickly, killing tens of thousands. <1>  Included among its victims was Pericles, the former leader of Athens. <2>  The only surviving source for the Athenian plague is the first-hand account of Thucydides in his History of the Peloponnesian War. Thucydides, who lived from c. [460 to c. 400]****, was an Athenian general and political critic.

Remember that Fomenko has calculated Thucydides eclipses as dating to

The first solution (NA Morozov): 1133 AD, 2 August (total solar); 1140 AD, 20 March (total solar); 1151 AD, 28 August (lunar)

The second solution (AT Fomenko): 1039 AD, 22 August (total solar); 1046 AD, 9 April (partial solar); 1057 AD, 15 September (lunar)

Anonymous

Bible quote that alerted me about the plague and customs of the Jews

Young's Literal Translation
Mark 7:1

Quote1 And gathered together unto him are the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, having come from Jerusalem, 2 and having seen certain of his disciples with defiled hands -- that is, unwashed -- eating bread, they found fault; 3 for the Pharisees, and all the Jews, if they do not wash the hands to the wrist, do not eat, holding the tradition of the elders, 4 and, coming from the market-place, if they do not baptize themselves, they do not eat; and many other things there are that they received to hold, baptisms of cups, and pots, and brazen vessels, and couches. 5 Then question him do the Pharisees and the scribes, 'Wherefore do thy disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but with unwashed hands do eat the bread?'

6 and he answering said to them -- 'Well did Isaiah prophesy concerning you, hypocrites, as it hath been written, This people with the lips doth honour Me, and their heart is far from Me;

7 and in vain do they worship Me, teaching teachings, commands of men;

8 for, having put away the command of God, ye hold the tradition of men, baptisms of pots and cups; and many other such like things ye do.'



Mark 7 - Aramaic Version

http://www.v-a.com/bible/mark.html

Quote1. And the Pharisees and scribes who came from Jerusalem, gathered around him,
2. And they saw some* of his disciples eating bread without washing their hands, and they were shocked.
3. For all the Jews and Pharisees, if they do not wash their hands, they do not eat, because they hold to the ritual* of the priests.
4. And if they [come] from the marketplace, if they do not bathe, they do not eat. And there are many other [rituals] that they accept and observe, the washing* of bowls and dishes and copper plates and mats.

5. And the scribes and Pharisees asked him, "Why do your disciples not follow the ritual of the priests, except they do not wash their hands before they eat?"
6. However, he told them, "The prophet Isaiah prophesied beautifully about you, hypocrites, as he wrote,

'These people, with their lips they honor me,
...but their heart is very far from me.
7. " 'And they fear me through their vanity,
...as they teach the knowledge of humanity.'

8. "For you have discarded the commandments of God, and held on to the rituals of humanity, the washing of pots and dishes, and many similar things."

*7:2 Lit. Ar. idiomatic figure of speech: "Human [beings.]"
*7:3 Lit. Ar. idiomatic figure of speech: "Muslimation."
*7:4 Lit. Ar. idiomatic figure of speech: "Baptism," or "immersion."


Anonymous

phantom reflections of plague

http://theinfounderground.com/ftp/savag ... kdeath.pdf

So the plague most likely led to the fall of "the empire" The only questions is when and who?

when have mention of the black death in the 17th century and 16th century.

Anonymous

The Hebrew language adopted the square script alphabet of Imperial Aramaic, known as ketav Ashuri

http://biblescripture.net/Hebrew.html

NO VOWELS

BIBLICAL HEBREW = SQUARE ARAMAIC

http://www.adath-shalom.ca/history_of_h ... m#INF_ARAM

LordLindsey

I believe that it is critical to note that "Dracula" had as his entire plan to bring about the plague to destroy all of England; I find this to be EXTREMELY troubling considering how Count Dracula's entire agenda WAS this and how it can be inferred that there was some machination of control behind The Plague, and the plague that Count Dracula wanted to bring upon England, and most probably, the rest of the world.  I am NOT saying that these plagues were brought about by the actions of men; however, I WILL SAY WITHOUT A DOUBT that if men today use biological warfare against their enemies, then how can it be that the MONSTERS OF YESTER-YEAR DID NOT DO THE SAME THING?

LINDSEY
The Military KNOWS that Israel Did 911!!!!

http://theinfounderground.com/smf/index.php?topic=10233.0

LatinAmericanview

QuoteI WILL SAY WITHOUT A DOUBT that if men today use biological warfare against their enemies, then how can it be that the MONSTERS OF YESTER-YEAR DID NOT DO THE SAME THING?

Biological warfare has been used for a long time before people really understood the nature of problem. Dipping arrows in feces,giving small pox infested blankets. Providing Syphilis infected whores to important people.
DFTG!

LordLindsey

EXACTLY!  But what if you KNEW what was causing the disease affecting literally the entire known world--mice as is evidenced in statues and historical records--and you could play it for everything that it was worth to further whatever fucked-up agenda a psychotic mind could want?  More people than you know knew that this was not contagious and that rats/mice played SOME role in the transmission, but I think that it is highly likely that many other very well-educated and scholarly people knew very well what was happening and protected themselves and their INTERESTS from death.  After reading "Dracula" and understanding that this monster had a HORRIBLE and NIGHTMARISH desire to bring about a new scourge of "The Plague" upon England, I am seriously considering that Stoker knew full damned well that things are not as we are told that they are--what I mean is that if you extrapolate the story to the insane minds of people who believe that we are nothing but animals who don't deserve to be helped or saved, but that they are gods, then you can see the POSSIBILITY that there was a reason for 1/3 of THE HUMAN POPULATION TO DIE and that if certain people knew the cause and did NOTHING--then what more can you say except that this is the desire of the psychopaths who are in control NOW...   :idea:

Am I wrong?

LINDSEY
The Military KNOWS that Israel Did 911!!!!

http://theinfounderground.com/smf/index.php?topic=10233.0

LatinAmericanview

My memory is a little fuzzy on this but I or recall that Frankenstein (Gollem) and Dracula (Vampire/Blood sucking Jew parallel??) all came out of the same cocktail party. However, I am missing your point on Dracula. Please elaborate.
DFTG!

Anonymous

November 8, 1847 - April 20, 1912

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/sto ... ker_b.html

plague was still around during his time.

not to mention the whole identifying of Russia with Gog was same time frame.