John Savage and Latin American View: Illusions in History

[LatinAmericanview]

Over past several years many researcher have suggested that they have a firm grasp of history. Most awaken persons scoff at the limited knowledge of those we collectively call the MASSES or the sheepeople. But very few of us question our own assumptions and we take for granted that we know enough to have a general grasp of many of the problems the world faces. However, very few of have ventured into this topic because of its taboo nature and the corrosive effect it  has on deeply seated notions of history and beliefs. This is part one of an uncompleted collaboration between my friend John Savage and myself. If there is interest we may continue to discuss this rather bizarre topic- History in future shows. We hope that this will spark your curiosity. LAV

Note: I count seven faces in the painting and five nudes. There a few other things also. How many  faces and nudes do you see?

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[Anonymous]

Being Latin

[Aztec_Ghost]

It's nice to see you are still active Latin. I really appreciate all the efforts you make to keep the good fight going, along with all the truth warriors here at TIU. I have almost all of your past audios, and all of the "BeingSavage" shows too. Both of you deserve all my respect. Keep them coming gentlemen.

[Ognir]

Nice one gentlemen, downloading now
Good to have LaV doing audios again

[memory hole]

good show guys, like the 1984 clips, plese do some more!

[LatinAmericanview]

It's nice to see you are still active Latin. I really appreciate all the efforts you make to keep the good fight going, along with all the truth warriors here at TIU. I have almost all of your past audios, and all of the "BeingSavage" shows too. Both of you deserve all my respect. Keep them coming gentlemen.

Thank you. Our hope was to give food for thought. Although not included in the audio, we postulate that there are various groups with there own historical time lines. Consider this: 911 has created to alternative histories or two time lines. The government sanction fairy tale or various unverified alternative accounts. Think of the psychological impact this has on the believers of these divergent accounts. Think about the cost in Blood and treasure this has had in the Middle east. Anyway, History is complicated.

[LatinAmericanview]

Nice one gentlemen, downloading now
Good to have LaV doing audios again

Thank you. I am still writing my book. I have about 90 pages written so many audios may no be possible. But thank you for the compliments.

[LatinAmericanview]

good show guys, like the 1984 clips, plese do some more!

Orwell is an interesting fellow. He was a child of a high ranking administrator in India. He Kings Scholar at Eaton College where we was tutoured in French J. Huxley. He was a propagandist. He wrote the fourth great dystopian novel compared to Huxley's brave new world. Orwell work was published by Warburg press. 1984 was censored in America. Doubtful we has ever seen the author's Original work.

[keeptruthfree]

congratulations - another wonderful show, especially wonderful.

btw, quit listening to hate mail about BS#11 - that one was exceptional too.

Could we please get LAV's shows posted here?
He used sendspace and similar services and the files have all expired.
I ran through the LAV threads recently (a show I missed)
and found I could not download any of the shows.

apparently he has a file section like you have (speaking to John)
I guessed - http://theinfounderground.com/ftp/lav/
yet the audio directory does not contain the show files
but merely some ancillary files he must have posted in reference

again - a wonderful show

(John, I have half-written a promising article to explain some things we've discussed privately -  which I think make sense to the show - and which relate to Fomenko and his description of Byzantium... so I'll post it in a thread here somewhere - I have some AF book four scans to go with it too.)

[LatinAmericanview]

congratulations - another wonderful show, especially wonderful.

btw, quit listening to hate mail about BS#11 - that one was exceptional too.

Could we please get LAV's shows posted here?
He used sendspace and similar services and the files have all expired.
I ran through the LAV threads recently (a show I missed)
and found I could not download any of the shows.

apparently he has a file section like you have (speaking to John)
I guessed - http://theinfounderground.com/ftp/lav/
yet the audio directory does not contain the show files
but merely some ancillary files he must have posted in reference

again - a wonderful show

(John, I have half-written a promising article to explain some things we've discussed privately -  which I think make sense to the show - and which relate to Fomenko and his description of Byzantium... so I'll post it in a thread here somewhere - I have some AF book four scans to go with it too.)

Thank you. John and I have enough information to complete the second half of the show. The second part deals with A little more of Scaliger and his methods of history fabrication. Fomenko et al how they have developed methods of analysis for the current historical model. Limitations to the model and limitations on our knowledge. And Finally over arching conclusions about the fate of humanity.

[rmstock]

John Savage and Latin ask themselves how in Treblinka II
could 850,000 people have been exterminated, without a
trace? where's the biomass? 99,5% of these were Jews.

I have worked for two weeks at a pig slaughter house,
as a holiday job. My task was to use a electric saw to
saw open the pigs from tail to head. Guess what? In a
single day, being a inexperienced student trying to payoff
some open debts, i sawed open 2,500 pigs a day. If i would
have worked 340 days at that factory, i would
have processed 850,000 pigs for wholesale consumption.

[LatinAmericanview]

I am not sure that answers the question what happened to the bio-mass? How much diesel fuel did it take to murder those people? Why would the Germans choose gas over bullets in a time time when fuel was short? Additionally once the people where gassed then who or how was the bio-mass transported from point A to point point B?

[LatinAmericanview]

Here is another interesting point: Where the pigs you processed on hooks and a conveyor belt?  Another point is how wide spread was the use of chain saws during WWII? Again where is the beef ?

Andreas Stihl - Father of the Modern Chainsaw
In 1926, German mechanical engineer, Andreas Stihl patented the "Cutoff Chain Saw for Electric Power". Born in 1896, Andreas Stihl founded a company that manufactured steam boiler prefiring systems in Stuttgart, Germany. In 1929, Stihl patented the first gasoline-powered chainsaw called the tree-felling machine. These were the first successful patents for hand-held mobile chainsaws designed for woodcutting. Andreas Stihl is most frequently credited as being the inventor of the mobile and motorized chainsaw. He invented what we today recognize as being the modern chainsaw.

[Anonymous]

I think the point of The treblinka example was that with every story there should be a way to scientifically prove it true, false or unknowable.

[blueocean]

I have worked for two weeks at a pig slaughter house,
as a holiday job. My task was to use a electric saw to
saw open the pigs from tail to head. Guess what? In a
single day, being a inexperienced student trying to payoff
some open debts, i sawed open 2,500 pigs a day. If i would
have worked 340 days at that factory, i would
have processed 850,000 pigs for wholesale consumption.

2500 pigs a day    :?    very unlikely              


on another note:  Nice to have a mass slaughterer on this site?   :evil:      :shock:

[GordZilla]

I have worked for two weeks at a pig slaughter house,
as a holiday job. My task was to use a electric saw to
saw open the pigs from tail to head. Guess what? In a
single day, being a inexperienced student trying to payoff
some open debts, i sawed open 2,500 pigs a day. If i would
have worked 340 days at that factory, i would
have processed 850,000 pigs for wholesale consumption.

2500 pigs a day    :?    very unlikely              


on another note:  Nice to have a mass slaughterer on this site?   :evil:      :shock:

Another point; this pigs are CONSUMED , the bodies at Treblinka were assumed not to have been consumed. So if you had to bury or burn 850,000 pigs a year, where would the bodies go, if not consumed? How about the ash and bones? (and remember the Germans allegedly only used wood to burn the dead, then they buried the ashes and bones)  


There's no comparison to be made here, between the two, except that Talmudic Jews are very comparable to pigs.  

[LatinAmericanview]

I have worked for two weeks at a pig slaughter house,
as a holiday job. My task was to use a electric saw to
saw open the pigs from tail to head. Guess what? In a
single day, being a inexperienced student trying to payoff
some open debts, i sawed open 2,500 pigs a day. If i would
have worked 340 days at that factory, i would
have processed 850,000 pigs for wholesale consumption.

2500 pigs a day    :?    very unlikely              


on another note:  Nice to have a mass slaughterer on this site?   :evil:      :shock:

Another point; this pigs are CONSUMED , the bodies at Treblinka were assumed not to have been consumed. So if you had to bury or burn 850,000 pigs a year, where would the bodies go, if not consumed? How about the ash and bones? (and remember the Germans allegedly only used wood to burn the dead, then they buried the ashes and bones)  


There's no comparison to be made here, between the two, except that Talmudic Jews are very comparable to pigs.  

Ole' Gordo makes an interesting point the German allegedly used wood to cremate the bodies. How much wood would it take to render 850,000 human beings to ashes? Again the point is to think critically of the official fiction. The real point of all this is to perceive that the official story line is merely a model of the past. It is not the past itself. And those familiar with the conspiracy are fully aware that at any given point in time particular interest groups have hijacked the "HISTORY MODEL"  and used it for political gain. The Holocaust is a good example.

[LordLindsey]

Latin, why did you delete all of your audio files from TIU?  I can't find any of the originals and it doesn't make any sense to me why you would get rid of many hours of your work.

LINDSEY

[LatinAmericanview]

Latin, why did you delete all of your audio files from TIU? I can't find any of the originals and it doesn't make any sense to me why you would get rid of many hours of your work.

LINDSEY

Basically because I did not want to become embroiled in controversy. Just a  point of clarification Mike Delaney created a movie called 911 Missing Links. He asked me to do a voice over for his production. I provided a voice over for him. At any rate then Mr. Delaney and John Martinson then when on an ultra-Jew bashing rampage. I disagree with there methods and their conclusions.  However, via the magic of the internet I am now linked to these future Patsies. This is problematic. So I took down most of my shows. About 50% of the shows could be found at the Truth data base. I was unable to delete them from there. The show I would most recommend is the one on Leo Strauss and Political Science.

[jai_mann]

I have worked for two weeks at a pig slaughter house,
as a holiday job. My task was to use a electric saw to
saw open the pigs from tail to head. Guess what? In a
single day, being a inexperienced student trying to payoff
some open debts, i sawed open 2,500 pigs a day. If i would
have worked 340 days at that factory, i would
have processed 850,000 pigs for wholesale consumption.

2500 pigs a day    :?    very unlikely              


on another note:  Nice to have a mass slaughterer on this site?   :evil:      :shock:

Assuming an 8 hour day that would be:
312.8 pigs an hour
5.2 pigs per minute

That does sound like a major exaggeration  :mrgreen: .

[LatinAmericanview]

I have worked for two weeks at a pig slaughter house,
as a holiday job. My task was to use a electric saw to
saw open the pigs from tail to head. Guess what? In a
single day, being a inexperienced student trying to payoff
some open debts, i sawed open 2,500 pigs a day. If i would
have worked 340 days at that factory, i would
have processed 850,000 pigs for wholesale consumption.

2500 pigs a day    :?    very unlikely              


on another note:  Nice to have a mass slaughterer on this site?   :evil:      :shock:

Assuming an 8 hour day that would be:
312.8 pigs an hour
5.2 pigs per minute

That does sound like a major exaggeration  :mrgreen: .

Don't forget you have shave the pigs heads, strip them naked,  check for gold in mouths, gas them and then break out the chainsaw and slice them in half. I don't RMSTOCK could do the "leatherface" routine that quickly.

[mgt23]

awesome collaboration, rightly or wrongly. really enjoyed it keep up the good work.

[LatinAmericanview]

awesome collaboration, rightly or wrongly. really enjoyed it keep up the good work.

Thank you but support your statements. We have given a definition for history and methods in which it was or could be fabricated. Ask us questions.

[mgt23]

i need to review formenko first more fully and consider my opinion. i think u can negatively attack history although your claims to facts get destroyed by your own arguments. You need to study agnostic logical positivism to see the true destructive power of philosophy on history. and any historical model put forward. Kurt godel incompleteness theorem and bertrand russells paradox would destroy any argument put forward by formenko. Personally i left uni because of ALP after 4 years after i realised its destruction on wittgensteins philosophy of language and its implications for epistemology and hence history. My current  view is the best guess argument combining science and instinct as to a workable framework for living life. My search for historical certainty continues but the most pressing concerns are more the survival of consciousness and humanity in the face of impending destruction of the universe.

[LatinAmericanview]

I will debate you any day of the week. PM me. You are a fool.

[mgt23]

i feel a show coming up......

[mgt23]

http://www.deathflag.org/index.php?page ... f50ef82649

you might want to check out Hume first and you'll see what i mean.

and aj ayer and the vienna circle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Ayer

[LatinAmericanview]

face of impending destruction of the universe.

Holy fucking crap! Do you have any evidence for this? Jewish domination certainly seems rather insignificant in light of this information.

[LatinAmericanview]

http://www.deathflag.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=e17833f1251c8081f08cd2cf453fecf50ef82649

you might want to check out Hume first and you'll see what i mean.

and aj ayer and the vienna circle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Ayer

I have a degree in philosophy.

[mgt23]

excellent, then we are on the same level. i think that IF Prof Tipler's view of baryon tunneling is correct then the implications of homo sapiens near future are vast. Not only would it collapse the universe, but depending on how far they take this it would fulfill the final protocol of the kabballah- the reunification with the light. (or in my opinion the creation of absolute nothingness)

my previous shows have looked into this and the physics are under review. am having a fight with amazon at the moment.