Leaked election results show Mahmoud Ahmadinejad came 3rd!

MikeWB · June 15, 2009, 07:13:49 PM

QuoteIran protest cancelled as leaked election results show Mahmoud Ahmadinejad came third
Iran's reformist presidential candidate Mir-Hossein Mousavi has called off a major rally to protest last Friday's election results, amid claims police had been cleared to open fire on protesters.

By Colin Freeman, Daily Telegraph
Published: 11:21AM BST 15 Jun 2009

Supporters had been due to turn out en masse in Tehran on Monday afternoon, despite government warnings to stay off the streets.
But this morning, a statement on Mr Mousavi's campaign website announced that the demonstration had been postponed – although it said Mr Mousavi would go to the site to ensure any supporters who showed up remained calm.

Mr Mousavi's wife and co-campaigner, Zahra Ranavard, was reported as warning that riot squads would be equipped with live ammunition, raising the prospect of serious bloodshed.
Iran's Interior Ministry said Mr Mousavi would be responsible for any consequences if he went ahead with the protest.
Mr Mousavi's cancellation of the protest came as sporadic disturbances continued around the Iranian capital, and reports circulated of leaked interior ministry statistics showing him as the clear victor in last Friday's polls.
The statistics, circulated on Iranian blogs and websites, claimed Mr Mousavi had won 19.1 million votes while Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had won only 5.7 million.
The two other candidates, reformist Mehdi Karoubi and hardliner Mohsen Rezai, won 13.4 million and 3.7 million respectively. The authenticity of the leaked figures could not be confirmed.
Mr Mousavi has accused Iran's government of "fraud" after Mr Ahmadinejad was declared on Saturday to have 62.6 per cent of the vote, making him the landslide winner. The capital has been rocked by disturbances for the last three days.
It was not clear whether Mr Mousavi's supporters would heed his call to stay indoors. About 200 relatives of people arrested during protests over the weekend staged a brief protest outside Tehran's main revolutionary court.
"You can beat us as much as you can, but take us to our children," shouted one woman, as a policeman was seen beating a man in a bid to disperse the crowd. Around 170 people are believed to have been detained so far, and are thought to have been taken to Tehran's Evin prison.
In an effort to quell the rising tensions, the country's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, has ordered an investigation into claims of fraud in Friday's disputed vote, according to Iranian state television.
Meanwhile, David Miliband, the British Foreign Secretary, raised concern over the implications of the disputed elections for Iran's engagement with the West and for efforts to curb its controversial nuclear programme.
"Our serious concern is about the implications of recent events for the engagement the international community seeks with the government of Iran," Miliband told reporters as he arrived for a meeting with European Union counterparts in Luxembourg today.
"The implications are not yet clear."
Mr Mousavi had previously threatened to hold a sit-in protest at the mausoleum of the late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, founder of the 1979 Islamic Revolution, if the authorities banned his followers from holding their rally. It is thought the government would be reluctant to forcibly break a demonstration in what is considered a holy place.
A reformist activist close to Mr Mousavi, Shahab Tabatabaei, said his supporters were determined to hold rally despite the interior ministry's rejection.
Overnight, squads of police and their allies in Iran's basiji gangs, a plain clothes militia made up of civilian hardliners, stormed the campus at the city's biggest university, ransacking dormitories and arresting dozens of students.

sullivan · June 15, 2009, 07:46:05 PM

QuoteSupporters had been due to turn out en masse in Tehran on Monday afternoon, despite government warnings to stay off the streets.

More ZOM (Zionist Owned Media) propaganda. Their favoured puppet didn't get elected, and boy are they pissed off. I know you have issues with the way Iran is run, Mike, but the reality is that every time the United States or the United Kingdom get their guy into power there, things end up being a hundred times worse.

mgt23 · June 15, 2009, 08:22:15 PM

werent the CIA last year given shit loads of cash too forment opposition within iran? i will try and dig it out unless someone could get it first. it might be on cryptome.

LordLindsey · June 15, 2009, 09:20:21 PM

The Zionists REALLY fucked this up because there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY that a "third-tier" candidate got over TWICE as many votes as the CURRENT leader!! :lol: :lol: Jesus CHRIST, do these people truly believe that the world is THIS stupid!? I am asking a very serious question here...

The Zionists were looking to cause unrest, no matter WHAT happened, but the absolutely ridiculous claims that are being made are doing nothing but show how absurd this entire world theater has become; it is not even worthy of argument any longer what is happening as it is too obvious.

LINDSEY

MikeWB · June 15, 2009, 10:47:14 PM

BIG PICTURE slideshow of Iran's protests:

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/0 ... ction.html

LatinAmericanview · June 16, 2009, 12:40:19 AM

QuoteHundreds of thousands in Iran protest vote result
Los Angeles Times - ‎24 minutes ago‎
Ben Curtis / AP The supreme leader orders the hard-line Guardian Council to examine challenger Mir-Hossein Mousavi's claims of fraud in the vote reelecting President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Video: Obama: Iranian Voters Should Be Heard The Associated Press
Social Networks Spread Iranian Defiance Online New York Times
Voice of America - AFP - Bloomberg - Wikipedia: 2009 Iranian election protests
all 17,408 news articles »

http://news.google.com/nwshp?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hl=en&tab=wn

MikeWB · June 16, 2009, 03:13:22 AM

Quote from: "LatinAmericanview"
QuoteHundreds of thousands in Iran protest vote result
Los Angeles Times - ‎24 minutes ago‎
Ben Curtis / AP The supreme leader orders the hard-line Guardian Council to examine challenger Mir-Hossein Mousavi's claims of fraud in the vote reelecting President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Video: Obama: Iranian Voters Should Be Heard The Associated Press
Social Networks Spread Iranian Defiance Online New York Times
Voice of America - AFP - Bloomberg - Wikipedia: 2009 Iranian election protests
all 17,408 news articles »
http://news.google.com/nwshp?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hl=en&tab=wn

Initially, CNN didn't even report it! They don't want US population to see how you should react when the elections are stolen. Now, this is the top story since nothing else is happening.

blueocean · June 16, 2009, 10:50:10 AM

Lord Lindsey makes the best statement here!

Mike maybe time to cancel your 'official news' subscription?

LatinAmericanview · June 16, 2009, 11:25:56 AM

Quote from: "MikeWB"
Quote from: "LatinAmericanview"
QuoteHundreds of thousands in Iran protest vote result
Los Angeles Times - ‎24 minutes ago‎
Ben Curtis / AP The supreme leader orders the hard-line Guardian Council to examine challenger Mir-Hossein Mousavi's claims of fraud in the vote reelecting President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Video: Obama: Iranian Voters Should Be Heard The Associated Press
Social Networks Spread Iranian Defiance Online New York Times
Voice of America - AFP - Bloomberg - Wikipedia: 2009 Iranian election protests
all 17,408 news articles »
http://news.google.com/nwshp?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hl=en&tab=wn

Initially, CNN didn't even report it! They don't want US population to see how you should react when the elections are stolen. Now, this is the top story since nothing else is happening.

And then someone thought it would b a good idea to get the US reaction. They turn on the propaganda machine and magically 17,000 news stories! Poof! Just like magic.

Travis · June 16, 2009, 12:47:07 PM

Quote from: "mgt23"werent the CIA last year given shit loads of cash too forment opposition within iran? i will try and dig it out unless someone could get it first. it might be on cryptome.

Mgt23 a link is below to one such article.

Mike MB how do you define freedom?

Also if the majority of people voted for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is this not the will of the people, and what right have you to oppose the regime when the majority of the Iranian people supported it?

I am against the Iranian regime as I am against the UK and US regimes, however, what I can not stand is hypocrisy and double standards.

Furthermore it is a matter of fact that the US is funding backing opposition groups in Iran to destabilize the regime.

QuoteThe Telegraph By William Lowther in Washington DC and Colin Freeman
Published: 12:01AM GMT 25 Feb 2007 In a move that reflects Washington's growing concern with the failure of diplomatic initiatives, CIA officials are understood to be helping opposition militias among the numerous ethnic minority groups clustered in Iran's border regions... In the past year there has been a wave of unrest in ethnic minority border areas of Iran, with bombing and assassination campaigns against soldiers and government officials... Funding for their separatist causes comes directly from the CIA's classified budget but is now "no great secret", according to one former high-ranking CIA official in Washington who spoke anonymously to The Sunday Telegraph

Full article here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -Iran.html

LatinAmericanview · June 16, 2009, 12:51:43 PM

QuoteAlso if the majority of people voted for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is this not the will of the people, and what right have you to oppose the regime when the majority of the Iranian people supported it?

Hey Travis Just for shits and giggles what if the the Iranian People were subjected to merciless propaganda and they eventually loved Mahmoud but it was not there first inclination but rather the development of their opinions and attitudes after a long marketing campaign?

Travis · June 16, 2009, 03:34:34 PM

Quote from: "LatinAmericanview"
QuoteAlso if the majority of people voted for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is this not the will of the people, and what right have you to oppose the regime when the majority of the Iranian people supported it?

Hey Travis Just for shits and giggles what if the the Iranian People were subjected to merciless propaganda and they eventually loved Mahmoud but it was not there first inclination but rather the development of their opinions and attitudes after a long marketing campaign?

LatinAmericanview, do not misunderstand I am not a supporter of the democratic system. In addition to the floor you pointed out I have many other issues with the democratic system. In fact many pro democrats have issues defining what they actually mean by the term democracy.

MikeWB · June 16, 2009, 05:29:33 PM

Quote from: "blueocean"Lord Lindsey makes the best statement here!

Mike maybe time to cancel your 'official news' subscription?

Not everything is conspiracy. Maybe you should order some meds. :roll:

Go to Iran and try to live there! If dare you! It's easy to beat the bushes with someone else's' dick. It's easy for monday morning quarterbacks to tell Iranians that it's good for them to live in a dictatorship because that's expedient to YOU while YOU live in a western "democracy" that's run by the Zios.

Instead of telling Iranians how they should run their country, why don't you work harder on solving our own problems? Why should Iranians sacrifice and be the only opposition to Zionists?

But this uprising has little to do with Zionists. They don't have that kind of a power in Iran to stage an uprising and if you think they do, the pure ignorance and hate has clouded your thinking since clearly Iran is not run by Zios. This has everything to do with oppression of people. Iranians are one of the most advanced societies in Middle East and they know very well how people live outside Iran and what freedoms they enjoy and they want more of that.

Ahmedinejad bribed poor people with potatoes and food and yet that wasn't enough.

The fact is that even if Moussawi won, NOTHING, I repeat, NOTHING would have changed with Iran's stance towards Israel and Zionists. Only thing that would have changed is internal structure and people would be more free. Foreign policy and Military is not under the president's command.

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sullivan · June 16, 2009, 06:54:14 PM

The election wasn't won through fraud and Mousavi's apparent connection to the CIA is certain worthy of concern.

Some related posts...
WaPo: The Iranian People Speak
Some Dots You May Want To Connect

§N9sh2bj · June 16, 2009, 07:14:51 PM

democracy is mob rule

two wolves and a sheep deciding what is for dinner.

mgt23 · June 16, 2009, 08:49:35 PM

bingo travis!

@latin

QuoteBut this uprising has little to do with Zionists. They don't have that kind of a power in Iran to stage an uprising and if you think they do, the pure ignorance and hate has clouded your thinking since clearly Iran is not run by Zios. This has everything to do with oppression of people. Iranians are one of the most advanced societies in Middle East and they know very well how people live outside Iran and what freedoms they enjoy and they want more of that.

how an earth are you basing this claim? last time i checked iran uses money as does the rest of the world and per the link travis is refering to-money talks as long as it can buy resources to quench human greed. until i see you produce a list of every one of the B.I.S central bankers of confirmed zionist leanings i remain skeptical of your position and that is not based on hate or ignorance. paranoia helps one to see the true scope and magnitude of the conspiracy in context of what is possible and how much deception is realistically possible. bear in mind you are working on an entire alternative chronology of fomenko, rejecting the entire western historical tradition. there seems to be a schism in your perspective.

QuoteThe fact is that even if Moussawi won, NOTHING, I repeat, NOTHING would have changed with Iran's stance towards Israel and Zionists.

again incorrect-zionists work on a long term infiltration plan, incrementally and imperceptibly. this happens over time and many generations later.

rmstock · June 16, 2009, 10:42:02 PM

Ahmadinejad is the best President Iran ever had. His speeches in
America and at the U.N. are today still silenced to death. Iran under
Ahmadinejad has evolved into a free and independent country, with its
own oilsales, which apparently is a thorn in the eyes of Western
Government rulers who after the 1st Iraq war declared their New World
Order. Not a single Dollar/Euro will be saved to incorporate Iran as
well.

blueocean · June 17, 2009, 03:45:21 PM

Quote from: "MikeWB"
Quote from: "blueocean"Lord Lindsey makes the best statement here!

Mike maybe time to cancel your 'official news' subscription?
Not everything is conspiracy. Maybe you should order some meds. :roll:

Uhhh ever heard of healthy scepticism? :roll:

When the media magicians keep on hand on one side for you to follow, ya better be sure that you know where the other hand is and what it is doing.........................

Quote from: "MikeWB"Go to Iran and try to live there! If dare you! It's easy to beat the bushes with someone else's' dick. It's easy for monday morning quarterbacks to tell Iranians that it's good for them to live in a dictatorship because that's expedient to YOU while YOU live in a western "democracy" that's run by the Zios.

Maybe you go to israel? They have a western "democrazy" too............

Quote from: "MikeWB"Instead of telling Iranians how they should run their country, why don't you work harder on solving our own problems? Why should Iranians sacrifice and be the only opposition to Zionists?

Good that there still is opposition to the zionist! If Not the wratched face of it would have come out into the open.

By the way can't remember telling the iranians how they should run their country! :?:

It seems to be the WEST and the western media that is telling them how to run their country, just like they did with oekrain, Georgia, Irak, etc. etc. etc. You follow suit.

The fact that it is the rich iranians that mostly support mousawi tells a lot too, for when this organised revolution would succeed, ya can bet that they will get much richer and the poor much poorer.

Quote from: "MikeWB"But this uprising has little to do with Zionists. They don't have that kind of a power in Iran to stage an uprising and if you think they do, the pure ignorance and hate has clouded your thinking since clearly Iran is not run by Zios. This has everything to do with oppression of people. Iranians are one of the most advanced societies in Middle East and they know very well how people live outside Iran and what freedoms they enjoy and they want more of that.

Ignorance Hate? again not sure where you got these words from? two sentences has caused a lot of spur......

Quote from: "MikeWB"Ahmedinejad bribed poor people with potatoes and food and yet that wasn't enough.

The fact is that even if Moussawi won, NOTHING, I repeat, NOTHING would have changed with Iran's stance towards Israel and Zionists. Only thing that would have changed is internal structure and people would be more free. Foreign policy and Military is not under the president's command.

Per my view Iran's stance towards the zionists is poor at best (better than the west though) , they have never come out openly with hard hitting information on 911, zionism etc etc.

Internal structure changes because of presidential change/election? :lol: that's a good one.

Gotta love these Ukrain style uprisings.

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MikeWB · June 17, 2009, 04:05:42 PM

Here we go. The guy who leaked the above results was killed (err... 'had a mysterious accident').

Quote11am:
The man who leaked the real election results from the Interior Ministry - the ones showing Ahmadinejad coming third - was killed in a suspicious car accident, according to unconfirmed reports, writes Saeed Kamali Dehghan in Tehran.

Mohammad Asgari, who was responsible for the security of the IT network in Iran's interior ministry, was killed yesterday in Tehran.

Asgari had reportedly leaked results that showed the elections were rigged by government use of new software to alter the votes from the provinces.

Asgari was said to have leaked information that showed Mousavi had won almost 19 million votes, and should therefore be president.

We will try to get more details later.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/200 ... n-uprising

Finally, Ahmedinejad was caught photoshopping crowds in a newspaper picture to make it look like he has more supporters.

From Iranian site: http://kheirkhah.ir/media/Image/Weblog% ... ehtics.jpg
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And to all those claiming that Soros was behind it, how about some proof! Let's see it!

When Soros is behind something, he has Open Soc Institute branch in the country few years in advance. I haven't heard of Soros' OSI having permission to be in Iran. Also, none of the staff listed on his site are Iranian.

This is a research forum, folks. We persuade people by proving things and showing evidence. Other forums engage in speculation, talking out of your ass, make shit up stuff. This is what separates us from the rest.

MikeWB · June 17, 2009, 04:16:37 PM

Quote from: "blueocean"
Quote from: "MikeWB"
Quote from: "blueocean"Lord Lindsey makes the best statement here!

Mike maybe time to cancel your 'official news' subscription?
Not everything is conspiracy. Maybe you should order some meds. :roll:

Uhhh ever heard of healthy scepticism? :roll:

LOL... so when I'm skeptical of the results that crazy religious mullahs and clerics release, that's bad. But when you doubt that people in Iran want freedom, that's good? LOL... blueocean, your logic is faulty.

QuoteWhen the media magicians keep on hand on one side for you to follow, ya better be sure that you know where the other hand is and what it is doing.........................

Yeah, especially those magicians in Iran that managed to give rise to millions of people who protested :lol:

Quote
Quote from: "MikeWB"Go to Iran and try to live there! If dare you! It's easy to beat the bushes with someone else's' dick. It's easy for monday morning quarterbacks to tell Iranians that it's good for them to live in a dictatorship because that's expedient to YOU while YOU live in a western "democracy" that's run by the Zios.

Maybe you go to israel? They have a western "democrazy" too............

Israel is a democracy? LOL... right. That's why you can marry a goyim there and Palestinians have full rights.

Quote
Quote from: "MikeWB"Instead of telling Iranians how they should run their country, why don't you work harder on solving our own problems? Why should Iranians sacrifice and be the only opposition to Zionists?

Good that there still is opposition to the zionist! If Not the wratched face of it would have come out into the open.

By the way can't remember telling the iranians how they should run their country! :?:

It seems to be the WEST and the western media that is telling them how to run their country, just like they did with oekrain, Georgia, Irak, etc. etc. etc. You follow suit.

What? I don't get what you're saying.

QuoteThe fact that it is the rich iranians that mostly support mousawi tells a lot too, for when this organised revolution would succeed, ya can bet that they will get much richer and the poor much poorer.

Where's YOUR PROOF that West was behind this? PROVE IT DAMMIT! Let's SEE IT! You're just talking out of your ass!

Fact is, Iranians rose up on their own and West found it beneficial and started 'supporting' them by covering their side of the story. That's different from West stirring it up and creating opposition! That's something that you don't seem to be able to comprehend.

If you start fighting with your wife and a neighbor or friend sides with her, that neighbor of friend is not the cause of the rift! Get it?

Like I said before, Mullahs and Ahmedinejad are idiots for allowing this to boil over like this. Their iron hand rule of population was bound to overflow. Iranians want more freedoms and they saw this election as a way to bring that up to the surface. The fact that it's also beneficial to the West is beside the point and not the actual root cause. Curtailing people's freedoms is the root cause and they should relax the rules so that they don't have these issues in the future. Ahmedinejad's 4 years in the office were a disaster for people who want more rights and freedoms and they saw many of their freedoms go away under his rule.

But people who are seeing JEWS behind every single evil/event in the world won't get that and will continue ignorantly just hating and blaming. And in the process this kind of stuff makes us looks bad. If you want to persuade someone, show them the evidence. Empty conjectures and claims mean very little today.

Fact is that Israel doesn't have any power in Iran and Iran is currently not under their control... no matter what some people say.

mgt23 · June 17, 2009, 04:28:33 PM

erm correction previous post was not @latin but at mike wb-misread the qoute dooooooooooooh!

blueocean · June 17, 2009, 06:07:51 PM

Quote from: "MikeWB"
Quote from: "blueocean"Lord Lindsey makes the best statement here!

Mike maybe time to cancel your 'official news' subscription?
Not everything is conspiracy. Maybe you should order some meds. :roll:

Uhhh ever heard of healthy scepticism? :roll:
[/quote]

LOL... so when I'm skeptical of the results that crazy religious mullahs and clerics release, that's bad. But when you doubt that people in Iran want freedom, that's good? LOL... blueocean, your logic is faulty.

In the USA when they fake rersults they use percentages like 51%-49% to make it believable. Such Big win for ahmenidjad is either too hard to fake or it is simply dummn. Just like in Venezuela the poor people apparently voted en mass for ahmenidjad. Perhpas people in Iran want more freedom, but not the freedom that the west wants to give them. The neocons were unable to pull off a strike against Iran. So maybe this time they try it differently. Moussawi apparently has connections to these neocons like ledeen etc. So No faulty logic here Mike, sorry man.

QuoteWhen the media magicians keep on hand on one side for you to follow, ya better be sure that you know where the other hand is and what it is doing.........................

Yeah, especially those magicians in Iran that managed to give rise to millions of people who protested :lol:

QuoteAre they really millions? have you checked? How did the press report the uprisings in Venzuala against chavez, millions too aye?

Quote from: "MikeWB"Go to Iran and try to live there! If dare you! It's easy to beat the bushes with someone else's' dick. It's easy for monday morning quarterbacks to tell Iranians that it's good for them to live in a dictatorship because that's expedient to YOU while YOU live in a western "democracy" that's run by the Zios.

Maybe you go to israel? They have a western "democrazy" too............

Israel is a democracy? LOL... right. That's why you can marry a goyim there and Palestinians have full rights.

Quote :lol: you missed the word : "demo-CRAZY" :lol: According to western media, which you are a fan of, Israel is termed as a democracy.

Quote from: "MikeWB"Instead of telling Iranians how they should run their country, why don't you work harder on solving our own problems? Why should Iranians sacrifice and be the only opposition to Zionists?

Good that there still is opposition to the zionist! If Not the wratched face of it would have come out into the open.

By the way can't remember telling the iranians how they should run their country! :?:

It seems to be the WEST and the western media that is telling them how to run their country, just like they did with oekrain, Georgia, Irak, etc. etc. etc. You follow suit.

What? I don't get what you're saying.

No? strange. Let me explain it again. It has been the western media supporting all of these regime changes around the globe get it? second, you started implying in your response that I said something about how the iranians should live. NOPE ME DID NOT. so basically you set up a point of your own and THEN attacked it...........mmmmmmmm :shock:

QuoteThe fact that it is the rich iranians that mostly support mousawi tells a lot too, for when this organised revolution would succeed, ya can bet that they will get much richer and the poor much poorer.

Where's YOUR PROOF that West was behind this? PROVE IT DAMMIT! Let's SEE IT! You're just talking out of your ass!

There ya go using big words again........... All I have said is to be critical, and not run amok behind the wetsern media. The connections between Moussawi and certain people will come out................ Maybe ask Iranians what they think? Qui pro bono is a good question. keep it down on the ass fetish will ya? :lol:

Fact is, Iranians rose up on their own and West found it beneficial and started 'supporting' them by covering their side of the story. That's different from West stirring it up and creating opposition! That's something that you don't seem to be able to comprehend.

If you start fighting with your wife and a neighbor or friend sides with her, that neighbor of friend is not the cause of the rift! Get it?

"Fact is, Iranians rose up on their own" sources please. and No CNN please. These same type of uprisings happened in Oekrain, White Russia and many other countries................

Like I said before, Mullahs and Ahmedinejad are idiots for allowing this to boil over like this. Their iron hand rule of population was bound to overflow. Iranians want more freedoms and they saw this election as a way to bring that up to the surface. The fact that it's also beneficial to the West is beside the point and not the actual root cause. Curtailing people's freedoms is the root cause and they should relax the rules so that they don't have these issues in the future. Ahmedinejad's 4 years in the office were a disaster for people who want more rights and freedoms and they saw many of their freedoms go away under his rule.

But people who are seeing JEWS behind every single evil/event in the world won't get that and will continue ignorantly just hating and blaming. And in the process this kind of stuff makes us looks bad. If you want to persuade someone, show them the evidence. Empty conjectures and claims mean very little today.

There ya go bringing up the hating and the blaming again. Yet again bringing up stuff me never said and THEN attacking it. That's a crap way and you know it , I could use other words but won't..

"But people who are seeing JEWS behind every single evil/event in the world won't get that " You start to sound like one of those ADL-people, me never mentioned the word JEW so 3rd strike. lol

Fact is that Israel doesn't have any power in Iran and Iran is currently not under their control... no matter what some people say.[/quote]

You spout out these "facts" easily. There have been many dealings between Israel and Iran in the past, who knows what power Israel has in Iran? If Iran was free of all such influence why has it not been open about 911 and all these other topics?

scorpio · June 20, 2009, 10:52:40 PM

Well, maybe Ahmadinejad came in 3rd, or 2nd or whatever! Remember, there are many Masonic (Jewish) Lodges in Iran. They are EXPERTS in getting people into group think mode and fomenting this kind of 'uprising' There many 'leaders' in Iran that look to me to be crypto-jews. This seems to be part of the zionist media program of getting the world ready for an attack on Iran by Israel(occupied Palestine) or the USA. Ooooh...their elections are a fraud - well join the club!! Gee I guess we had better bomb them. After all they are trying to get a nuclear weapon! Never mind the fact that Israel(occupied Palestine) has several hundred nuclear bombs as well as chemical and biological weapons ready to go!! They have been chipping away at Iran for well over a year here in the USA, getting us ready for an attack on Iran, which might very likely end up starting WWIII....what a fuckin' joke!!

Simon · June 21, 2009, 09:20:31 PM

Great post Mike. I'm sick and tired of us not presenting facts. Anti-Zionist theory and ideology should never trump the facts. Instead of the seeing the facts for what they truly are, we're mistakenly seeing them for what we want them to be. Big mistake.

By analyzing American foreign policy since the WWII, could there not be the slightest possibility that that policy seeks to continue spreading/deepening fundamental Islam throughout the so-called Middle East? It seems that Zionist-dominated America has succeeded in removing the loyal pragmatic leaders of Islamic nations and replacing them with ideologist preaching death to Israel and America. As much as they might dislike Israel, is that really in the interests of the people of those countries?

A question that Iranian intellectuals were probably asking themselves prior to the election probably had to be: What has Ahmadinejad accomplished by preaching 'Death to Israel' through words rather than actions? All the facts thus far point to the possibility that he's boogeyman breeding instability in the region. I don't have enough facts to say this with complete certainty but at this point, this has to be a serious consideration to not be taken lightly.

Please, facts over theory.