Relationship between "The Corporation" and Talmudic Judaism

[abduLMaria]

the movie "The Corporation" is about how corporations use "corporate law" etc. to behave in a way that would be considered psychopathic or sociopathic if a person did it.
http://www.thecorporation.com/

from what i can tell about the Talmud and the Torah and the behavior of some Jewish people (e.g. the first time i was ever stabbed in the back in corporate America, it was a Jewish boss that did the deed), they have a 2-state version of morality - you treat the general public one way (you screw them over), and you treat other Jews in the normal moral honest way we are taught via teachings such as the Ten Commandments.

Given the influence of Jews in American business and American business law, somehow i am not surprised to realize - now that i have heard about the Talmud and the Torah - to see a parallel with the "privatize the profits, socialize the costs" behavior of American corporations.

i suppose in order to research this, i would need to study the history of our business laws.  my God, that could take 10 years.

in any case, i'm pretty familiar with American corporations, having worked in them for about 24 years.  and having been screwed over by them, as an employee and a customer and probably some other ways if i thought about it.  i got the basic idea, i just don't know "The Law" - i'm an engineer.

anyway, what do you think ?  is there a parallel between behavior proscribed by the Talmud and American business behavior ?  or perhaps even, a derivative relationship.  wouldn't it be an interesting discovery if some of the early business law scholars also happened to be Talmudic Jews.

now, what do i mean by Talmudic Jew, to define my term.

in ten words or less ... "Morals are for Morons", is how i would summarize their behavior and attitude.  i was already quite familiar with the personality type, i just hadn't made the connection with Zionism.  of course, the people that i've met that seemed to have an immoral approach in business and medicine - doctors that deliberately hurt patients, health clubs that make withdrawals from disabled customers bank accounts - i'm sure reserved their "good behavior" for other members of the club.

and i do see a parallel between that and Talmudic Judaism.

perhaps (sigh) such behavior is as old as mankind itself.

i just wish they would warn young kids about stuff like this.  i spent a whole year in college studying "Modern European History" and didn't hear ONE F*CKING WORD about Zionism or the Nakba of the Palestinian people.

[Yo Mama]

Well, what do you expect?  In the Torah(Old Testament) the Jewish tribal god Yahweh/Jehovah tells the Jews to take over the world through usury and money-lending.   :roll:

[GordZilla]

Well, what do you expect?  In the Torah(Old Testament) the Jewish tribal god Yahweh/Jehovah tells the Jews to take over the world through usury and money-lending.   :roll:

Too much ...


Do you have to wipe the corners of your mouth after you speak this crap?

Proof please ...oh yeah you have none.

[abduLMaria]

Well, what do you expect?  In the Torah(Old Testament) the Jewish tribal god Yahweh/Jehovah tells the Jews to take over the world through usury and money-lending.   :roll:

found 2 sources.  i didn't know the Torah or the Talmud had so much info on debt & business dealings.  this section almost reads like a business school textbook.

i don't know if i will ever have the time to read either document.  i appreciate the replies.  if anybody knows the Torah or Talmud well enough to reference excerpts that tell people how to behave in their business dealings, i'd love to hear them.

at this point i wouldn't be surprised if the Talmud has something about credit derivatives or mortgage backed securities.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view. ... 8&letter=U

Talmud Commentary - Torah

ARTICLE HEADINGS:
  Loss on a Debt.
  Usury and Increase.
  Case of Partnership.
  Possible Evasions.
  "Fixed" and Other Increase.
  Case of a Gentile.
  Views of Maimonides and the Shulḥan 'Aruk.
  —Medieval Doctrine:
  Amount of Interest.


http://radioislam.org/thetruth/04usury.htm
"  The vast gap between Christian and Jewish moral perspectives, per materialist self-aggrandizement, is evidenced everywhere in their respective traditions. In the Christian New Testament, for instance, Jesus enjoined values of humility and modesty to his followers, teaching that "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of heaven." [LUKE 18-25] Jewish religious tradition stands in drastic opposition. The [Talmudic] Mishnah, for instance, proclaims, "Who is rich? He who enjoys his wealth."

      "Judaism is a this-world religion," says Joshua Halberstam, "and making money is considered a natural human endeavor. Unlike Christianity, Judaism never considered poverty a virtue; the idea that the meek shall inherit the earth is a New Testament doctrine, not a Jewish one." [HALBERSTAM, p. 25]  "Judaism does not consider poverty noble," says Maurice Lamm, "... The Jew prays for parnassah, a respectable income." [LAMM, p. 108] As famed sociologist Max Weber wrote, "Pharisaic [i.e., rabbinic] Judaism was also far from rejecting wealth or from thinking that it be dangerous, or that its unqualified enjoyment endangers salvation. Wealth was, indeed, considered prerequisite to certain priestly functions." [POLL, S., 1969, p. vii]
 
     The Jews were not forbidden in medieval Europe to become usurers. Because they refused to convert en masse to the dominant religious faith and, to Christian belief, be spiritually saved, Jews were considered outsiders. Whatever its continuously decried immoral atmosphere, usury was an economic opportunity and the Jewish community gravitated to it. In historical perspective, this niche they were afforded was a great economic privilege and a springboard for Jewish economic expansion to our own day. (In the Islamic world too, where usury was religiously prohibited to Muslims, Jews again gravitated towards that generally regarded repugnant activity).  Of course there were, religious and legal injunctions or not, small numbers of Christian usurers too. But Jews had a distinct advantage in that they could be completely open in their profit-making activities.  "The picture of the Jew," says Jacob Katz,  "waiting at home for the Gentile to come to borrow money or pay a debt is a realistic one ... [but] many Jews also had also to call at the house of the Gentile to offer their services as traders or money-lenders." [KATZ, Ex, p. 38]