A Jew defined

[Wimpy]

"Be careful people might accuse you of working for the jew or blaming whitey.

Yes The many Venetians[Arms dealers and Financiers] moved up to England and Netherlands after the fall of Constantinople [The City] aka Jerusalem, for fear of being next in line for the Allegedly Greek Sultan Turk. With them they brought the Venetian ship building knowledge and arms technology that ultimately allowed the protestant Netherlands to kick the imperial catholic UN like army out of the Netherlands and take over England. so you get The City of London charter at this time, and British East India tea company and the Dutch east Indies tea company both strong navel countries and explorers, among other things. You also have Shakespear propaganda trying to humanize these Venetians while Christopher Marlow and others try to warn against these foreigners. The rot childs are connected to this saga as well.

cheers"-John Savage

Since you are a stickler for "Sourcing", wouldn't it be prudent of you to provide some?  Whom might these "people" be to accuse me of working for the jew or blaming whitey?  

Even if this is your poor attempt at humor your insinuations are alarming.  I suggest that you either show proof or hit the road.

[Anonymous]

"Be careful people might accuse you of working for the jew or blaming whitey.

Yes The many Venetians[Arms dealers and Financiers] moved up to England and Netherlands after the fall of Constantinople [The City] aka Jerusalem, for fear of being next in line for the Allegedly Greek Sultan Turk. With them they brought the Venetian ship building knowledge and arms technology that ultimately allowed the protestant Netherlands to kick the imperial catholic UN like army out of the Netherlands and take over England. so you get The City of London charter at this time, and British East India tea company and the Dutch east Indies tea company both strong navel countries and explorers, among other things. You also have Shakespear propaganda trying to humanize these Venetians while Christopher Marlow and others try to warn against these foreigners. The rot childs are connected to this saga as well.

cheers"-John Savage

Since you are a stickler for "Sourcing", wouldn't it be prudent of you to provide some?  Whom might these "people" be to accuse me of working for the jew or blaming whitey?  

Even if this is your poor attempt at humor your insinuations are alarming.  I suggest that you either show proof or hit the road.

Sure what do you need sourced. Many sources were provided with my shows. but I could certainly dig up stuff as needed.

You just need to read the many threads I have pointing out the British role and the British Israelite role in setting up Zionism and creating Israel to understand my joke

[Wimpy]

My question was direct and pertained to your post to me.  Why reply with obfuscation and evasion?  Again, my question:



    Since you are a stickler for "Sourcing", wouldn't it be prudent of you to provide some? Whom might these "people" be to accuse me of working for the jew or blaming whitey?

    Even if this is your poor attempt at humor your insinuations are alarming. I suggest that you either show proof or hit the road.



Your Answer:

Sure what do you need sourced. Many sources were provided with my shows. but I could certainly dig up stuff as needed.

You just need to read the many threads I have pointing out the British role and the British Israelite role in setting up Zionism and creating Israel to understand my joke

[LatinAmericanview]

My question was direct and pertained to your post to me.  Why reply with obfuscation and evasion?  Again, my question:



    Since you are a stickler for "Sourcing", wouldn't it be prudent of you to provide some? Whom might these "people" be to accuse me of working for the jew or blaming whitey?

    Even if this is your poor attempt at humor your insinuations are alarming. I suggest that you either show proof or hit the road.



Your Answer:

Sure what do you need sourced. Many sources were provided with my shows. but I could certainly dig up stuff as needed.

You just need to read the many threads I have pointing out the British role and the British Israelite role in setting up Zionism and creating Israel to understand my joke

Hey Whimpy, the blame White reference is an inside joke if you are following various arguments at TIU. However, one of the things that always seems to be overlooked is the geopolitical and military importance of creating a base in the heart of the old Ottoman empire.

We do not support Executive Intelligence Review however, we cite this article as primer. This is badly written propaganda but it mentions some very intereting historical events.

This article appears in the January 23, 2009 issue of Executive Intelligence Review.
IT IS TIME TO BURY THE BRUTISH EMPIRE!
British Deception Responsible for Palestinian Bloodshed Today

by Hussein Askary

[PDF version of this article]

Preface: The history of the British manipulation of Arabs and Jews is, as the incredible suffering of the people of Gaza attests to today, a sad story. It is a pathetic one too, because the world, and the involved parties, who have failed to understand the evil nature of the British Empire, and thus, failed to react decisively to its machinations, before, during, and after World War I, have failed even now to correct that mistake. The British Empire and its servants in the consecutive British governments have been masters of deception, as we will see in the brief report below. Can you imagine the "Butcher of Baghdad" Tony Blair as a peace broker in Southwest Asia now? How could the U.S.A., Europe, Russia, and the UN (the Quartet on the Middle East) be so collectively insane as to accept Blair as their guide through the dense underbrush of the British-created "Middle East"?

As was the case in 1919, before the British put their Sykes-Picot knives to use against the people of Southwest Asia with the help of the French imperialists, people in the region are pleading to, and giving the new U.S. Presidency another chance to help mend what has been broken. Although a lot of blood has been spilled, and although the Sykes-Picot agreement and the Balfour Declaration cannot be reversed, there is still a chance for another Peace of Westphalia to preserve and promote the true nature of the human race, in place of the bestiality of the Brutish Empire which is being exhibited on the television screens every day.

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2009/3 ... nians.html

The Blame Whitey thread

viewtopic.php?f=34&t=6116

[Rockclimber]

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2009/3603brit_deceive_palestinians.html

Good grief I hope that was a joke...3 or 4 editorials and this is your guys proof that the whities did it?

This web site is a testament to the people who are in control today (primarily) so get busy disputing every article of proof first before running this Larouche rag by us. :roll:

[LatinAmericanview]

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2009/3603brit_deceive_palestinians.html

Good grief I hope that was a joke...3 or 4 editorials and this is your guys proof that the whities did it?

This web site is a testament to the people who are in control today (primarily) so get busy disputing every article of proof first before running this Larouche rag by us. :roll:

We do not support Executive Intelligence Review however, we cite this article as primer. This is badly written propaganda but it mentions some very interesting historical events.

I cite this as an intro to a counter position. I put a disclaimer. You however, to not make effort for the sake of argument. I could research all links then put up a my research only to met with a one line response. Effort wasted.

[Rockclimber]

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2009/3603brit_deceive_palestinians.html

Good grief I hope that was a joke...3 or 4 editorials and this is your guys proof that the whities did it?

This web site is a testament to the people who are in control today (primarily) so get busy disputing every article of proof first before running this Larouche rag by us. :roll:

We do not support Executive Intelligence Review however, we cite this article as primer. This is badly written propaganda but it mentions some very interesting historical events.

I cite this as an intro to a counter position. I put a disclaimer. You however, to not make effort for the sake of argument. I could research all links then put up a my research only to met with a one line response. Effort wasted.

As is this whole 'whitey' did it nonsense. I mean where is all this fantastic truth? Build a thread a prove it. Hell I will even read it.

Most of what I have found is nonsense-the big smoking gun at Prison planet is the sykes-picot agreement. I'm like is that all you have? This is the whole basis for saying the the British are in control and are the top so to speak? Not that I don't think they have their share of elite who are in on the plot, but where is this evidence that shifts the focus away from who most of us (here) believe to be the primary culprits?

[LatinAmericanview]

There is no shifting involved. I merely suggest that the Zionist movement may have been created as justification for colonization and imperial intrigue. The "game" merely becomes more complicated if one were to take this position.

[Rockclimber]

There is no shifting involved. I merely suggest that the Zionist movement may have been created as justification for colonization and imperial intrigue. The "game" merely becomes more complicated if one were to take this position.

Well maybe I confused you with John. My apologies.

The "game' is complicated. I'm willing to look at new info but (and not you) when some people have made this leap that it's a British conspiracy I would hope that they could back it up with more than a few editorials. But I shit you not, that's what they do and they imply that it is enough.  :roll:

[LatinAmericanview]

There is no shifting involved. I merely suggest that the Zionist movement may have been created as justification for colonization and imperial intrigue. The "game" merely becomes more complicated if one were to take this position.

Well maybe I confused you with John. My apologies.

The "game' is complicated. I'm willing to look at new info but (and not you) when some people have made this leap that it's a British conspiracy I would hope that they could back it up with more than a few editorials. But I shit you not, that's what they do and they imply that it is enough.  :roll:

It is not a British conspiracy. The creation of a religious argument for the sake of creating a justification for Jews to steal land appears to be a British intelligence scheme. Some have suggested that British Intelligence was are ready comprimised by Jewish inflitration when British Iraelism was created.  However, the real point is he creation of a religious argument for political purposes and military purposes.

[Rockclimber]

There is no shifting involved. I merely suggest that the Zionist movement may have been created as justification for colonization and imperial intrigue. The "game" merely becomes more complicated if one were to take this position.

Well maybe I confused you with John. My apologies.

The "game' is complicated. I'm willing to look at new info but (and not you) when some people have made this leap that it's a British conspiracy I would hope that they could back it up with more than a few editorials. But I shit you not, that's what they do and they imply that it is enough.  :roll:

It is not a British conspiracy. The creation of a religious argument for the sake of creating a justification for Jews to steal land appears to be a British intelligence scheme. Some have suggested that British Intelligence was are ready comprimised by Jewish inflitration when British Iraelism was created.  However, the real point is he creation of a religious argument for political purposes and military purposes.

The key word being infiltration. But don't the British Israelists (for lack of a better word) believe they are the true Israel and 'chosen' ones per se? If that's the case than shouldn't they be saying that the Israel is illegally occupied and it's theirs? Don't get me wrong, your point is valid and it still becomes a religious argument. I think Scofield did his part as well and for the dispensationalists. Scofield with his Untermeyer connection. (a rabid zionist and Rothschild agent).

[LatinAmericanview]

The key word being infiltration. But don't the British Israelists (for lack of a better word) believe they are the true Israel and 'chosen' ones per se? If that's the case than shouldn't they be saying that the Israel is illegally occupied and it's theirs? Don't get me wrong, your point is valid and it still becomes a religious argument. I think Scofield did his part as well and for the dispensationalists. Scofield with his Untermeyer connection. (a rabid zionist and Rothschild agent).

This seems to be a really interesting point. According to some Jim Condit Jr. there was a group of Brits that consider themselves true Israelites. They called or call themselves the Avalon group. Just as a bit of trivia the Yale university Holocaust history (online) is called the Avalon project. Inflitration?? I think the problem should be looked at from both sides.

[Anonymous]

There is no shifting involved. I merely suggest that the Zionist movement may have been created as justification for colonization and imperial intrigue. The "game" merely becomes more complicated if one were to take this position.

Well maybe I confused you with John. My apologies.

The "game' is complicated. I'm willing to look at new info but (and not you) when some people have made this leap that it's a British conspiracy I would hope that they could back it up with more than a few editorials. But I shit you not, that's what they do and they imply that it is enough.  :roll:

Hey Rock

I tried to start a discussion with you but you never responded. Anyway I maintain  that the British and British Israelite conspiracy are elements to the puzzle, and should not be ignored. Maybe people think I am trying to shift focus, but I am actually filing in the pieces of the puzzle. Nothing occurs in a vacuum.

Hope this clarifies my position

[Anonymous]

The key word being infiltration. But don't the British Israelists (for lack of a better word) believe they are the true Israel and 'chosen' ones per se? If that's the case than shouldn't they be saying that the Israel is illegally occupied and it's theirs? Don't get me wrong, your point is valid and it still becomes a religious argument. I think Scofield did his part as well and for the dispensationalists. Scofield with his Untermeyer connection. (a rabid zionist and Rothschild agent).

This seems to be a really interesting point. According to some Jim Condit Jr. there was a group of Brits that consider themselves true Israelites. They called or call themselves the Avalon group. Just as a bit of trivia the Yale university Holocaust history (online) is called the Avalon project. Inflitration?? I think the problem should be looked at from both sides.

It is an interesting point, I have tried to explain this. The British Israelites change their story as often as I change my underwear about 20 years or so. After the 1920's a faction of British Israelites broke off from the pack after they had worked so hard to get Palestine as a home for what they called the Hebrews, but later Jews and later Jews who are not Jews. Either they felt duped by a geopolitical intrigue or were meant as a dialectic. Ultimately British Israelism is Zionism in nature since they believe the same things - Such as rebuilding the temple etc..

Richard Brothers movement  was taken over and used as a political weapon

You will see the pic of the freemasons dressing in hebrew garb among other things.

viewtopic.php?f=40&t=6064

I should also point out that the location of Jerusalem depends on a person's historical beliefs.

here is is abstract from something I ran across last night

http://muse.jhu.edu/login?uri=/journals ... yuval.html

Israel Jacob Yuval - The Myth of the Jewish Exile from the Land of Israel: A Demonstration of Irenic Scholarship - Common Knowledge 12:1 Common Knowledge 12.1 (2006) 16-33 The Myth Of The Jewish Exile From The Land Of Israel A Demonstration of Irenic Scholarship Israel J. Yuval [Erratum] More than that of any other nation, Jewish identity is based on the imaginaire of a collective memory rather than on a common territory. I intend to examine here the sources of one myth that has had critical influence on the establishment of Jewish collective memory and modern Israeli identity. In doing so, I find myself treading a thin line. On the one hand, I am a Zionist loyal to awareness of the need for the existence of the State of Israel. On the other hand, I am deeply troubled by the price paid by the Palestinians for the fulfillment of this dream. Like many others, I desperately seek a fair solution that will minimize the pain and suffering for both sides. I am presenting these remarks out of recognition that the historian -- especially a historian who deals with his own culture -- cannot evade the responsibility of clarifying the political, moral, and social significance of his research. I belong to the generation of Israeli historians who turned their back on Zionist historiography, which was characterized by the dominance of grand national narratives. My generation has preferred to cover itself in the warm, protective blanket of "professional history," of...

It might be an interesting read or more crap

but it certainly corresponds with this book

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=6183

Chapter 3 is filled with tidbits of info

http://www.newjerseysolidarity.org/reso ... ter03.html

I do believe that the cruelest joke is that Jerusalem is actually Constantinople and the Palestinian have suffered because of this Joke

[Rockclimber]

There is no shifting involved. I merely suggest that the Zionist movement may have been created as justification for colonization and imperial intrigue. The "game" merely becomes more complicated if one were to take this position.

Well maybe I confused you with John. My apologies.

The "game' is complicated. I'm willing to look at new info but (and not you) when some people have made this leap that it's a British conspiracy I would hope that they could back it up with more than a few editorials. But I shit you not, that's what they do and they imply that it is enough.  :roll:

Hey Rock

I tried to start a discussion with you but you never responded. Anyway I maintain  that the British and British Israelite conspiracy are elements to the puzzle, and should not be ignored. Maybe people think I am trying to shift focus, but I am actually filing in the pieces of the puzzle. Nothing occurs in a vacuum.

Hope this clarifies my position

Hi John,

I would never deny that the British are involved (whether that be intelligence or the elite/royals) so please don't misunderstand me. I will follow the pieces of puzzle it's just that I didn't really have enough info at that time to carry on the debate. I find British Israelism to be annoying (more supremacy) so I would like to see the links so bring it on John as I have truly enjoyed yours and LAVs inputs/research/shows over the past year. Perhaps I took what you where saying earlier out of context so thanks for the clarification.

[Anonymous]

will do, it will take me a few days to put it all together in a coherent sort of thing, will try to provide the info and sources as best i can.

but for now we start here north of Venice Italy.

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Lombard_banking

the money changer

[Wimpy]

On topic with the discussion of British Israel Israelism:


                                                Exerpt from "British Israelism: A Mirage"


The Origin of British Israelism
Tradition: That the ten tribes were distinct and maintained their identity after the Assyrian captivity is an old idea. It goes back to at least the second century B.C., the date of composition given to an apocryphal book called Tobit. The story in this book centers around Tobit, a member of the tribe of Naphtali, "who in the days of Shalmaneser, king of the Assyrians, was taken into captivity from Thisbe. ..." The action of the drama takes place primarily in Nineveh.
       In the pseudepigraphal 2 Baruch, a composite work produced in the latter half of the first century A.D., the author claims to be Baruch, the secretary of Jeremiah (cf. Jer. 36:4). In 2 Baruch 78:1 the author begins a letter "to the nine and a half tribes, which were across the river Euphrates. ..."
       In the apocryphal work 2 Esdras, composed toward the end of the first century A.D., there is mention of the ten tribes in 13:39-45: "These are the ten tribes which were led away from their own land into captivity in the days of King Hoshea, whom Shalmaneser the king of the Assyrians led captive; he took them across the river, and they were taken into another land. But they formed this plan . . . that they would ... go to a more distant region, where mankind had never lived . . . [to] Azareth." According to A. Cohen, it was generally believed by the rabbis of the Talmud that the ten tribes would come back and be united with the rest of Israel, usually through the work of the Messiah. There were a few rabbis, though —for example Tosifta (in Sanhedrin XIII. 12)—who stated that "The ten tribes will have no share in the World to Come." According to Jacob Meyers, writing in the Anchor Bible, 2 Esdras 13:45 evidenced the attitude of the Jewish people at the time of its composition, that the ten tribes were in a remote place, since for many years there had been no contact with them. The Mishna, in Sanhedrin 10:3, also expressed this idea.
       Rabbi Louis Isaac Rabinowitz mentions the interesting old legend (also in the Talmud and in Ginzberg's series, the Legends of the Jews, Vol. 4) of why the ten tribes were unable to rejoin their fellow Israelites: they were exiled beyond the river Sambatyon. During the six days of the week the water was rough and impassable. On the Sabbath, the water was quiet, but the laws of the Sabbath made it impossible for Israel to cross then.
       Josephus (first century A.D.) also mentions the ten tribes in his Antiquities: "Wherefore there are but two tribes in Asia and Europe subject to the Romans, while the ten tribes are beyond the Euphrates till now, and are an immense multitude, and not to be estimated by numbers" (XI, V, 2), Jerome, writing in the fifth century A.D., believed the ten tribes were still in the land of their captivity.
Why England? It is clear, therefore, that the belief in ten lost tribes has a long tradition behind it. Since the Middle Ages many works have been written "locating" the lost tribes among various peoples. But where exactly did the theory that the lost tribes are in England originate? Anton Damns writes that British Israelism can be traced back to a Protestant apologist, Dr. Abadie of Amsterdam who, in 1723, is quoted as stating: "Unless the ten tribes have flown into the air or have been plunged into the center of the earth, they must be sought for in the north and west, and in the British Isles."
Founders of the movement: Generally though, the British-Israel theory itself is traced back to Richard Brothers, born in 1757. Brothers was a lieutenant in the British navy for awhile, but quit the service in 1789. Because he refused to accept his half-pay on account of religious scruples, he found he was forever short of money; ultimately he was forced to labor in a workhouse.
       In 1790 Brothers says he received his first call from God. On May 12, 1792, he sent letters to the King of England, the ministers of state, and the Speaker of the House of Commons. In these letters he warned them that on May 17 he would declare the imminent fulfillment of Daniel 7. Sometime later Brothers proclaimed that the king would die and that the crown would be given to him, "the nephew of the Almighty, and prince of the Hebrews, appointed to lead them to the land of Canaan."
       Soon after predicting the king's death he was committed to Newgate, where he claimed to have received poor treatment. He did not remain there long, and the experience did not seem to hurt his career. He wrote fifteen books, most arguing for an Israelite ancestry for the English, including A Correct Account of the Invasion and Conquest of This Island by the Saxons. Because he made a series of political predictions, some of which came true, he was able to attract numerous followers. These he talked into selling their property so they could accompany him to his New Jerusalem, which he planned to build on both sides of the Jordan River beginning in 1795. Though his followers included mainly the poor and ignorant, he did attract a few educated and respectable people, such as Nathanial Brassey Halhed, the orientalist; a member of Parliament from Lymington; and Sharp, an engraver.
       Things did not continue to go well for Brothers, for by order of the government he was finally committed to Bedlam as a dangerous lunatic. Released in 1806, he lived for nearly two more decades, but when he died in 1824 his New Jerusalem was still unbuilt.
       In 1840, following the path blazed by Brothers, John Wilson of England published Lectures on Our Israehtish Origin. Apparently fairly popular, the book went through several editions, the fifth being issued in 1876.
       Five years before Wilson's fifth edition appeared, Edward Hine published his Identity of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel With the Anglo-Celto-Saxons, in which he expounded the basic tenets of British Israelism. Hine's book was very successful, selling more than 250,000 copies. Like Brothers, he occasionally got carried away with his own importance. While he was editor of a magazine called The Banner of Israel, a peculiar statement appeared on its pages: the reference in Isa. 60 which indicates a deliverer would come out of Zion to bring the glory of the Lord to Israel was applied to Hine himself—a rather strange exegesis of the Scripture, to say the least.
Its Modern Proponents
       Today there are many groups and individuals promoting British Israelism.
• One of the foremost proponents is Herbert W. Armstrong and his Worldwide Church of God. Armstrong's presentation is different from that of most teachers of the doctrine, as he is the head of a cult, and British Israelism is simply one part of his mixed-up theology. Therefore, some other peculiar doctrines are added to the standard British-Israel message. Armstrong's teachings are propagated through the Plain Truth magazine and on The World Tomorrow broadcast. His book, The United States and British Commonwealth in Prophecy contains the major elements of British Israelism as preached by Armstrong.
• Bertrand Comparet, a British Israelite who lives in San Diego, has a radio program and has written some literature on the subject of British Israelism.
• Howard Rand, head of Destiny Publishers, a firm that specializes in printing literature dealing with British Israelism, has written some literature on the subject.
       British Israelism is not a sect nor is it a cult in the normal sense of the term. The movement is interdenominational and normally does not try to persuade its members to abandon other beliefs. The movement is loosely organized, being divided into widely scattered groups, therefore there is generally little control over the members. According to John Wilson, British Israelism is "an appendage to orthodoxy, existing on the periphery of what is normally believed. , . ." Not too surprisingly, therefore, British Israelites will often remain members of orthodox churches.
       An examination of British Israelism and its dangerous errors will be made in the next issue.


http://www.theology.edu/journal/volume4 ... aelism.htm             "British Israelism: A Mirage