Live Catch 22 // Jew Cult, Zio Ad, DisinfoJoe

[mgt23]

Talking mainly on cults, cults of personality, jewish marriage advertising, disinfojoe, will finish off maths conspiracy and infiltration points next week or sooner maybe.

http://theinfounderground.com/mgt2323/catch22040909.ogg


New ad campaign targets Jews 'abducted' by intermarriage
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1111929.html


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Erhard

Landmark Forum: An Insider's Final Perspective
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5hkbrjwidY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR7qdZXrJuA

Another jewish cult method
http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed ... y-345.html

Infiltration points
http://www.londoncapitalclub.com/
http://www.iacworldwide.com/

[memory hole]

great show mgt23, one of favourite ones so far, very measured and interesting analysis on the....... forum cult, never heard of them before.

Keep 'em coming. :arrow:

[evanlong]

Re: cults

[youtube:3b7ppxme]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnNSe5XYp6E[/youtube]3b7ppxme]

"Mind Control Made Easy: How to Be a Cult Leader"

[googlevid-:3b7ppxme]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6700984289963923033[/googlevid-:3b7ppxme]

"Scientology: Friend of Mankind" (anti-Scientology video)

[mgt23]

evan long that is an amazing youtube vid and would apply to most jewish zionists amongst others as well

[youtube:34mw4xui]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7sHmlGbVqw[/youtube]34mw4xui]

note how he talks about dependence on euphoria(endorphin release)

finally these guys have been watching me(seriously)
Thoth and the Temple of Them
http://www.occultcorpus.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6145

they believe mainly in the order of the nine angles, whatever the hell that means.

[evanlong]

finally these guys have been watching me(seriously)
Thoth and the Temple of Them
http://www.occultcorpus.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6145

they believe mainly in the order of the nine angles, whatever the hell that means.

Nine angles is the trapezoid order of the Temple of Set, I believe.

[mgt23]

it seems some mac users are having problems with .ogg so in future i will post both versions
[mp3:glrln95l]http://deathflag.com/download/catch22040909.mp3[/mp3:glrln95l]

[mgt23]

it seems some mac users are having problems with .ogg so in future i will post both versions
[mp3:1tz4iqgz]http://deathflag.com/download/catch22040909.mp3[/mp3:1tz4iqgz]

http://deathflag.com/download/catch22040909.mp3

[mgt23]

"Landmark education" is a world-wide personal transformation business-cult that evolved out of the discredited "Est".

The video report to which this transcript pertains was uploaded to YouTube, the Internet Archive, and Google video, but which has been subsequently removed. Landmark Education has previously falsely claimed copyright over this video, which the company did not produce, in a blatant abuse of the US DMCA. The Electronic Frontier Foundation successfully defended the Internet Archive and an anonymous individual against Landmark Education. See Landmark v. Internet Archive.

This file is important because it shows psychiatrists, psychologists, legal experts, politicians, and experts on cults discussing the dangers of Landmark Education and its course the Landmark Forum. Landmark Forum is the successor course to the 'est training' developed by guru Werner Erhard. Landmark Education is run by CEO Harry Rosenberg, who is Werner Erhard's brother, and General Counsel and Chairman of the Board of Directors Art Schreiber, who has acted as Werner Erhard's lawyer. Werner Erhard's sister Joan Rosenberg also sits on the Board of Directors of Landmark Education.

The likely audience for this material includes researchers of the "est" and Landmark Education / Landmark Forum movement - including psychotherapists, psychologists, and psychiatrists, as well as those researching the controversial life of Werner Erhard. The audience also includes potential clients/customers of the company Landmark Education - who may not be aware of some of the controversial things that go on inside the course itself. The video report had a huge impact in France - and Landmark Education pulled out all of its operations from France shortly after the program broadcast in 2004, after being investigated by the French government for labor violations (Landmark Education has also been investigated in the United States for labor violations, see US Department of Labor investigation into Landmark Education).

The material it was originally broadcast on the Pieces a Conviction program on France 3 on May 24, 2004.

Additionally, cult expert Rick Ross of The Ross Institute for the Study of Destructive Cults, Controversial Groups and Movements maintains a large database on Landmark Education[1], est[2], and The Forum[3], and his attorneys are also quite educated as to the organization's methods[4]. The Electronic Frontier Foundation can also be contacted about the attempts of Landmark Education to remove the video from the Internet through abuse of the DMCA (Landmark and the Internet Archive).
Landmark Education currently appears to be on another campaign of attempting to remove all critical material and news videos about its company and its founder Werner Erhard (see Suppressed CBS News 60 Minutes on Landmark cult leader Werner Erhard, 3 Mar 1991)
http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Suppressed_CB ... 3_Mar_1991

http://88.80.16.63/leak/suppressed-fren ... y-2004.txt

[MikeWB]

Very interesting show! Never heard of this Landmark forum before. Looks like a giant mindfuck cult like all those other quasi-relgious cults of the self-help form. It reminded me of the Dianetics crap.

[mgt23]

http://www.gold.ac.uk/psychology/staff/french/   (i was wondering if he was jewish)
i was investigating this guy, since it was skeptic mag that was debating david cole on a previous show and a skeptic mag editor is again attacking the 999 date in the  media today.

anyway i bumped into this investigating french
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q= ... rt=10&sa=N
and weirdly just below french on google was thothweb.com......
http://69.93.31.250/index.html (now defunct)
did some background whois checks and hey presto....
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gauiscaecilius/3325719873/
http://www.lostchord.org/den_gallery/pa ... s5_jpg.htm
http://id.tixik.com/image-433867.htm

now i must say that it is a coincidence that i have a thoth member who has just signed up checking my site;
i look at a possible (jew) propagandist

Oliver Kamm
Professor Christopher French has an apparent monopoly of wisdom on this story. ... particularly inhibited about expressing criticism of the Jewish state. ...
timesonline.typepad.com/oliver_kamm/page/4/ - Similar

maybe there is a connection between satanism and the jews, i dont know. it's just i smell a rat and i trust my instincts.

for the record joe-i am an agnostic logical positivist. but you wouldn't know what that means would you?

[joeblow]

for the record joe-i am an agnostic logical positivist. but you wouldn't know what that means would you?

From your record, it seems as though you are on some sort of religious quest to stamp out non-satanic elements in this forum. As usual, whenever I have had the misfortune to come across a militant atheist (or any other pseudo-scientific sounding label used to hide one's true hatred of God), they always have a deep interest in the occult and love to frequent such sites:

MTG Salvation - Magic: The Gathering Articles, Rumors & Community
http://mtgsalvation.com



Of course, designing and selling one's "magical" cards has nothing at all to do with theism, it is just one of those quirky and fun things that "atheists" like to do.



The more I find out about you, the more disappointed I am that TiU has allowed itself to be infiltrated.

[mgt23]

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yes indeed, I knew you would sooner or later do a mgt google search. It is the ultimate strategy game ever and i rate it above chess. People should definitely play it. I suppose it makes me a nerd but hardly an interest in the occult. Again your ignorance of my interest in all things strategy shows. You will note i was kicked from the site for questioning 911 and trying to push conspiracy to these guys and was stomped on by the admins there who support BUSH neo-cons(wouldn't surprise me if they were zionists). That's when i left being a geek and decided to declare war on stupidity. Like I said you can always go on a live debate with me to ask any questions and for me to challenge you on your critical method-anytime anyplace anywhere with a neutral mod.

[mgt23]

Agnostic Logical Positivism(I have no utterable propositional truth criteria)
"i DO NOT KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT, ANYTHING IS NONSENSE OR NOT"

ALP destroys these three epistemological systems and was the central reason my work was suppressed at the jewish controlled southampton Uni's centre of analytical philosphy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Jules_Ayer
Ayer was born into a wealthy family of continental origin. His mother, Reine Citroën, was from the Dutch-Jewish family who founded the Citroën car company in France. His father was a Swiss Calvinist financier who worked for the Rothschild family.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Popper
Karl Popper was born in Vienna (then in Austria-Hungary) in 1902, to middle-class parents of Jewish origins, both of whom had converted to Christianity.[5] Popper received a Lutheran upbringing and was educated at the University of Vienna

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Wittgenstein
Ludwig Wittgenstein was born in Vienna on 26 April 1889, to Karl and Leopoldine Wittgenstein. He was the youngest of eight children, born into one of the most prominent and wealthy families in the Austro-Hungarian empire. His father's parents, Hermann Christian and Fanny Wittgenstein (who was a first cousin of the famous violinist Joseph Joachim[7]), were both born into Jewish families but later converted to Protestantism, and after they moved from Saxony to Vienna in the 1850s, assimilated into the Viennese Protestant professional classes.

to say ALP is pseudo "atheist" shows your ignorance in the extreme. I suggest you talk to LAV, who happens to be a philosopher graduate as well and might take the time to explain it and why judaism and for that matter any systematic belief system fear me.

also read
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_godel

Gödel is best known for his two incompleteness theorems, published in 1931 when he was 25 years of age, one year after finishing his doctorate at the University of Vienna.

with my solipsistic idealism attack on Wittgenstein "private language argument" i was ready to incorporate transcendental evolution into the remnants of ALP's epistemological wasteland.

ALP's conclusion is that any epistemological system is based upon an intuitive emotional response to a proposition, interpreted by the will via a personal non-transferable aesthetic.  This would be the sound basis for any analysis of a conspiracy theory(or any theory).

it maybe useful to read
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dewey

was an American philosopher, psychologist, and educational reformer whose thoughts and ideas have been highly influential in the United States and around the world. Dewey, along with Charles Sanders Peirce and William James, is recognized as one of the founders of the philosophical school of pragmatism. He is also one of the founders of functional psychology and was a leading representative of the progressive and progressive populist[1] movements in U.S. schooling during the first half of the 20th century

I am currently attacking dewey's model of a public consensus opinion and support for a system(or any system) as this would annihilate conspiracy theorists like myself(and probably you too).

Once you understand ALP, you can understand that i am more (even than a anti-zionist) an anti-supremecist than anything else. I doubt joe that you could claim the same with you views on islam, regarding nonbelievers.

[sullivan]

From your record, it seems as though you are on some sort of religious quest to stamp out non-satanic elements in this forum. As usual, whenever I have had the misfortune to come across a militant atheist (or any other pseudo-scientific sounding label used to hide one's true hatred of God), they always have a deep interest in the occult...

You seem to be mistaken. This is not a forum exclusive for those who practise Islam, or for those who believe in Christianity. If you can't cope with sharing this space with 'the infidel', then that's your problem.  Your suggestion that those who don't share your belief in a deity are somehow automatically attracted to the occult is as offensive as it is ludicrous.

Drop the personal attacks. They won't be tolerated here.

By the way, as an agnostic and an avowed libertarian, I will fight for your right to believe what you want and to live your life as you would like - provided that your beliefs don't negatively impact on others. Please accord those who don't share your beliefs the same level of respect.

[Anonymous]

Hear! Hear!

[AHNUBIS]

Hey MGT, why do you hate me and diss me on your show? I make people laugh man...

And whats up with the magic cards dude? Thats embarrassing.

[mgt23]

Hey MGT, why do you hate me and diss me on your show?

i don't hate you. i dislike joe claiming truth without data.
so one dissing fomenko, whean it turns out he had something to say was a bad mistake.
so two that the battle is spiritual rather than temporal is another terrible mistake, absolute voodoo bullshit. where is your proof of this? this is even more frightening in that it misleads people that they don't need to fight because god will save them in the end somehow. this is a strategical mistake which does the anti-zionist movement a great disservice.

I make people laugh man...

this is fine until you start pushing disinfo(see above)
note that i said for people to listen to your show but not to take it seriously.

and on that note

And whats up with the magic cards dude? Thats embarrassing.

i dont think i shall take this seriously....huhuhuhu
you have obviously never had a good game of last man standing multiplayer. i love MTG period and quite frankly this comment makes you sound like a fascist dork.

[mgt23]

[youtube:3gi4yalw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emq94B17zXo[/youtube]3gi4yalw]
for ahnubis and joe......this guy is obviously in on your conspiracy then you dumbarses, courtesy of imsamhi(great find)

[sullivan]

so one dissing fomenko, whean it turns out he had something to say was a bad mistake.

Putting any store in Fomenko's fundamentally flawed work is the next best thing to religious faith, in my opinion.

[mgt23]

Putting any store in Fomenko's fundamentally flawed work is the next best thing to religious faith, in my opinion.

interesting you say that sullivan if only because he hasn't finished it. as far as im aware he has only released 5 of the 7 volumes. unless you speak Rrussian and have read the originals.

point number two you obviously haven't read my previous thread/show either.....

My official on the record view is to reject the new chronology but to try and extract value out of it's negative criticism of consensus chronology.

I hope this clarfies my position for now.

you are falling foul of the exact same own goals as joe.

out of interest why do you think it is flawed? I know why, but do you?
my intent is not necessarily to persuade but to get people to approach material critically.

[TarasBulba]

Joe uses a different approach in exposing our controllers.
 
You use more of an intellectual approach whereas Joe will use sarcasm and insults in a comedic fashion to get valid points across.

Just perplexes me why in the world you would resort to accusing him of being DISINFO !
I think he did a grand job in regards to Eric Hufshit and Lying Zagami. Not to mention a few others.
He does go over the top at times but that's just the way he delivers a message. Absorb the valid points and
throw the ridiculous stuff away !

You should be congratulating the guy instead of putting him down.
At least he's contributing and getting better at what he does !

[AHNUBIS]

Magic The Gathering 23,

You are just mad that Joe won't accept you and LatinAmerican's challenge to a debate. He didn't accept on purpose. Because he knew it would drive you guys insane. I guess he got mission accomplished.

[TarasBulba]

Hey ! What's the 23 about ?

23 = 2/3 = 0.666 = 666 = sign of the beast = deceiver = satan

Am I far off ?

[mgt23]

Just perplexes me why in the world you would resort to accusing him of being DISINFO !

Taras, i'm not backing down. Apart from calling every jew a kike(see above post on islamic jews), he is wrong as is sullivan on his approach to fomenko material(see post above on reply to sullivan). It's not that fomenko's new chronology is right, imho fomenko is wrong in his new chronology, it is his criticism of the old chronology we should pay close attention to. Also the claim the battle is spiritual is probably wrong unless he has something to back that up with. Has he had a conversation with tptb or allah on tape? I doubt that. As a consequence, duping people into a metaphysical struggle, instead of the here and now real life struggle is defeatist. Lastly a number of TiU'ers has contacted me to say they know that our history has been tampered with, its just they don't know how much. I'm always willing to entertain "just how much is how much" as long as its backed with qualification, because the implications are so vast if true. Consider that say fomenko's new chronology is wrong but what happens if his claim that all history(or the vast majority of the timeline) is fake is true? 1984 could have been more right than we are willing/dare to believe.

At least he's contributing and getting better at what he does !

agreed, i'll conceed that.

You are just mad that Joe won't accept you and LatinAmerican's challenge to a debate.

not mad, just disappointed he won't defend himself against LAV-it would have made great radio and could have set a good example on how to have a constructive debate. This was a lost opportunity for the listeners/joe and LAV is a good debater.

you guys can drive yourself nuts, trying to prove I'm a satanist-but i'm against every system including luciferianism/satanism.
(See ALP above) I happen to have a chip on my shoulder because of satanism, because i had a friend killed by them in glastonbury. So you'll excuse me if i dont find it as funny as you. Imo they represent a serious threat at the very top and is used as a control mech by the zionists. It is the main reason freemasonry is controlled by zionism via blackmail.

I'll state again that MTG is the greatest strategic game ever, but my login is not from that.

[sullivan]

interesting you say that sullivan if only because he hasn't finished it. as far as im aware he has only released 5 of the 7 volumes. unless you speak Rrussian and have read the originals.

I speak Russian (lived in Moscow for just over two and a half years). However, I don't have the originals. What I have read so far comes across as pure fantasy.

My official on the record view is to reject the new chronology but to try and extract value out of it's negative criticism of consensus chronology.

I hope this clarfies my position for now.

No, I didn't read your other thread. I take your point.

you are falling foul of the exact same own goals as joe.

What on earth are you talking about?

out of interest why do you think it is flawed? I know why, but do you?

Selective sampling for statistics, ignorance of scientific dating methods - in short, flawed scientific method. Fomenko is a brilliant mathematician though

[sullivan]

he is wrong as is sullivan on his approach to fomenko material(see post above on reply to sullivan).

If I am wrong, you certainly didn't show how I was wrong in the post you mention.

It's not that fomenko's new chronology is right, imho fomenko is wrong in his new chronology, it is his criticism of the old chronology we should pay close attention to.

Maybe I'm throwing the baby out with the bathwater here, but I find it difficult to accord him any credibility when the methodology behind the formulation of his new chronology lacks scientific rigour and could even be said to be deceptive and dishonest.

[mgt23]

If I am wrong, you certainly didn't show how I was wrong in the post you mention.

compare with....

Maybe I'm throwing the baby out with the bathwater here

that's precisely my point sullivan.
Look I think what is happening with fomenko is that he has an agenda which serves a NWO objective. So one asks the question what is the propaganda value of this and how is he trying to achieve this objective. His selective sampling of mythologies is wrong, I agree as it seems arbitrary-but more than that he is assuming the astrochronology information(eclipses) is contemporary. That is a massive assumption which i am not willing to concede.
 But in order to to pave the way for for this new chronology he has to demolish the catholic timeline, who were a traditional enemy of the jews. This flagged to me the possibility of extracting value, as he may have mixed truth with lies deliberately. Add to this that most people couldn't even read let alone write back in the dark ages(even king/emperors like Charlemagne) gives a window of opportunity in which narratives can be falsified. I for one would love to retest ALL given historical artifacts and texts, using recalibrated carbon-dating and to also reexamine the old chronology for inconsistencies or incompleteness in the conventional narrative. Does this mean that fomenko's criticisms of the old chronology is valid? I don't know yet because i need more time to think and analysis. I'm not concerned with his statistical method, so much as fomenko highlighting old chronology's weaknesses, which can be exploited with much more scientific reexamination.

[mgt23]

A real atheist-which I'm not .........some people will believe anything on TV

[youtube:3o8jxm8m]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzYGfd_emJQ[/youtube]3o8jxm8m]

[mgt23]

you will note recently he resigned after claiming he was a 911 truther in the vain of AJ. this guy is jew controlled.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abr ... y_id=46991

I just saw an email from The Washington Post explaining that Van Jones resigned from his post as the Green Jobs Czar in the Obama Administration. Sad news as I know Van and have known him as nothing but a good man committed to the betterment of society.

One of the staples of Van's life has been the pursuit of social justice. He's always worked to better the lives of those less fortunate and the creation of the Oakland-based Ella Baker Center is a great example of what he's tried to do to improve life for Oaklanders, especially those who are poor and black.

Van Jones stepped down from a post that was the logical end result of his tremendous growth as a person: a job in the White House. Moreover, those attacking his character themselves are people with questionable backgrounds or anti-social actors. I will not go into that here; but Van should fight back.

Glen Beck is the person Jones should fight back against. Beck's acting like a domestic thug, calling the President racist, then using the media to be the inspiration for others to make terrible statements and threatening acts, like the woman who camped out at a National Guard base, thinking it was a FEMA encampment.

But Beck's not the only one who's unfairly attacked Van Jones. There's a long list of conservatives. To be fair, they did go and get video of things Jones did say, but then posted part of the videos so the comments lack the proper context and have him sounding like a radical totally against America. (By contrast, I have an unknown cyberharasser that makes up total lies about my life online. If I learn who this person is, they will be arrested and prosecuted as they're breaking Federal law.)

I'm proud to be an American, but I'm not proud of the modern-day McCarthyite's run amok online. It's as if we're allowing them to get away with murder.

A Landmark graduate

Some of my friends who also know Van point to his enrollment in The Landmark Forum as a key reason for his amazing personal growth. The idea of Landmark, which I've not "done" but seem surrounded by people who have been in it, is to provide a person with mental tools that cause them to overcome their cognitive road blocks and achieve their desired objectives.

Can one say Van became a different person? No. I think it's more accurate to say he became a better version of himself. I met him after his time in the program; the Van Jones I know has never even come off as anti-American and always as one who cares about people.

Good people like Jones must vigorously fight back against their attackers. To me, it's as if he was mugged in broad daylight.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abr ... z0RCCFnzRW

http://www.abdpbt.com/personalfinance/2 ... can-faith/

[Anonymous]

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

So funny!

Anyway I am still waiting for Joe's Detailed study on the statistical analysis and review of Fomenko's work. it's been about 4 to 5 months now.

@ Sullivan

Selective sampling for statistics, ignorance of scientific dating methods - in short, flawed scientific method. Fomenko is a brilliant mathematician though

Dem is some pretty big statements

please expand on what you mean by
"Selective sampling for statistics"
please provide examples where Fomenko is selective.

and

"ignorance of scientific dating methods"
Please provide examples of where Fomenko is Ignorant.

"in short, flawed scientific method"
Please provide examples of the flaws.

@MTG2323

You effing nerd!