The Power of Conformity

MikeWB · September 13, 2009, 06:00:17 PM

An example of our overwhelming need to conform to a social paradigm. On a larger scale, many of us can be manipulated to cheer on atrocities in the name of patriotism/nationalism.
[youtube:l5s9h3fh]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dChRZIUiTyA[/youtube]l5s9h3fh]

MikeWB · September 13, 2009, 06:19:13 PM

This video details 3 experiments.

This is exactly how religions work.

[youtube:28g87dcb]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwdHyaDdl9s[/youtube]28g87dcb]

GordZilla · September 14, 2009, 12:29:25 AM

Quote from: "MikeWB"This video details 3 experiments.

This is exactly how religions work.

It is, but its NOT how God works.

MikeWB · September 14, 2009, 01:11:00 AM

Quote from: "GordZilla"
Quote from: "MikeWB"This video details 3 experiments.

This is exactly how religions work.

It is, but its NOT how God works.

God actually works? An example?

mgt23 · September 14, 2009, 05:05:51 AM

great stuff more of this critical science please. highly relevant to a hierarchical dogma in maintaining power.

GordZilla · September 14, 2009, 08:43:17 AM

Quote from: "MikeWB"God actually works? An example?

I will answer that as soon as you or MTG answer how, thru critical scientific reasoning, you believe the evolution theory is fact. :ugeek:

Opps, I may have just inadvertently answered your question.

mgt23 · September 14, 2009, 09:28:57 AM

I specifically believe in a Kant's transcendental evolution as a fact, but i believe you are talking about physical evolution
see
Evidence for evolution
http://www.deathflag.org/index.php?page ... a3c4bb32c1
see also
viewtopic.php?f=34&t=4632&start=75&hilit=bible+is+repulsive
thread for anti-creationist arguments/debates

to be fair tho gord i would consider it courteous for you debate mikeWB rather than ask me to debate on his behalf. I would like to hear what mike has to say as well as you.

edit
its MGT, dammit :lol:

GordZilla · September 14, 2009, 06:37:26 PM

Quote from: "mgt23"I specifically believe in a Kant's transcendental evolution as a fact, but i believe you are talking about physical evolution
see
Evidence for evolution
http://www.deathflag.org/index.php?page ... a3c4bb32c1
see also
viewtopic.php?f=34&t=4632&start=75&hilit=bible+is+repulsive
thread for anti-creationist arguments/debates

to be fair tho gord i would consider it courteous for you debate mikeWB rather than ask me to debate on his behalf. I would like to hear what mike has to say as well as you.

edit
its MGT, dammit :lol:

Ah no worries, me and Mike been down this road before, there is no end. I just hate when people throw God out the window with religion, I will occasionally point out that there is a difference. I think we need to make that known every so often, many of us here to have faith in God, I doubt you'll find many however that have faith in religion (on this board anyways)

Free Truth · September 15, 2009, 09:04:49 PM

Quote from: "MikeWB"God actually works? An example?

Existence

MikeWB · September 15, 2009, 11:20:19 PM

Quote from: "GordZilla"
Quote from: "MikeWB"God actually works? An example?

I will answer that as soon as you or MTG answer how, thru critical scientific reasoning, you believe the evolution theory is fact. :ugeek:

Opps, I may have just inadvertently answered your question.

WHat the heck does mgt23 have anything to do with this? I asked YOU how YOU know that there is God.

If you really knew, you could start your own religion.

PS: What God (or Gods) do you believe in?

MikeWB · September 15, 2009, 11:20:44 PM

Quote from: "Free Truth"
Quote from: "MikeWB"God actually works? An example?

Existence

Existence of what?

Free Truth · September 15, 2009, 11:29:27 PM

Quote from: "MikeWB"
Quote from: "Free Truth"
Quote from: "MikeWB"God actually works? An example?

Existence

Existence of what?

Ahhh... Existence of EVERYTHING
Existence itself :idea:

veritasvincit · September 16, 2009, 12:15:45 AM

I definitely believe there is a God however, religion (which was created by man) has jaded most people about this higher power. You can call this higher power whatever you like, nature, allah, jehovah but if we are to believe that no man is superior to any other man then the common element of superiority is God. by believing in a higher power, there are things of this world and of our very existence that no man will ever in a million lifetimes being to understand, create, know or control. by believing in a higher power, we as men and women will never believe that any other man is superior to ourselves and that we are superior to anyone else unlike the zionists who believe they can control other men and the world with the tangible things of this world. Once we look to men as our saviour & messiah - we have sold our souls.

This belief is not about praying to God to help us but looking at every other man as an equal in the sense of humanity. God has given us the power and consciousness of how to treat other men - the most basic of tenets is "do unto others". We keep screwing this message up - probably why Jesus was sent to us in the form of a man to set the message straight - especially most of the hogwash and blasphemy in the old testament

MikeWB · September 16, 2009, 12:45:42 AM

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Quote from: "Free Truth"Ahhh... Existence of EVERYTHING
Existence itself :idea:

So where does the God of Bible fit into this? Does this God of yours meddle in human affairs? Does he answer to your prayers?

MikeWB · September 16, 2009, 12:47:42 AM

Quote from: "veritasvincit"I definitely believe there is a God however, religion (which was created by man) has jaded most people about this higher power. You can call this higher power whatever you like, nature, allah, jehovah but if we are to believe that no man is superior to any other man then the common element of superiority is God. by believing in a higher power, there are things of this world and of our very existence that no man will ever in a million lifetimes being to understand, create, know or control. by believing in a higher power, we as men and women will never believe that any other man is superior to ourselves and that we are superior to anyone else unlike the zionists who believe they can control other men and the world with the tangible things of this world. Once we look to men as our saviour & messiah - we have sold our souls.

This belief is not about praying to God to help us but looking at every other man as an equal in the sense of humanity. God has given us the power and consciousness of how to treat other men - the most basic of tenets is "do unto others". We keep screwing this message up - probably why Jesus was sent to us in the form of a man to set the message straight - especially most of the hogwash and blasphemy in the old testament

So you believe in God. Can you prove that it exists?

Belief in God doesn't help humanity with a sense of equality... just like belief in Santa doesn't help humanity believe in charity.

GordZilla · September 16, 2009, 08:54:22 AM

Quote from: "MikeWB"
Quote from: "veritasvincit"I definitely believe there is a God however, religion (which was created by man) has jaded most people about this higher power. You can call this higher power whatever you like, nature, allah, jehovah but if we are to believe that no man is superior to any other man then the common element of superiority is God. by believing in a higher power, there are things of this world and of our very existence that no man will ever in a million lifetimes being to understand, create, know or control. by believing in a higher power, we as men and women will never believe that any other man is superior to ourselves and that we are superior to anyone else unlike the zionists who believe they can control other men and the world with the tangible things of this world. Once we look to men as our saviour & messiah - we have sold our souls.

This belief is not about praying to God to help us but looking at every other man as an equal in the sense of humanity. God has given us the power and consciousness of how to treat other men - the most basic of tenets is "do unto others". We keep screwing this message up - probably why Jesus was sent to us in the form of a man to set the message straight - especially most of the hogwash and blasphemy in the old testament

So you believe in God. Can you prove that it exists?

Belief in God doesn't help humanity with a sense of equality... just like belief in Santa doesn't help humanity believe in charity.

You must be a complete fool to follow this study of Zionists and not by now realized that God is a big part of the puzzle, what the Jew 'evolved' that way? Under a different sun were they?

I've addressed this many times on this forum, Mike, to which you have mostly left unanswered, cept once you copped out and called it "circular logic'

I'm not gonna go down that road with you again. If you want to answer your question Mike, try to answer some of mine here;

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=6771

and here;

viewtopic.php?f=34&t=4632&start=60

or in this thread;

viewtopic.php?f=35&t=1508&start=15

veritasvincit · September 16, 2009, 10:54:28 PM

QuoteMIke wrote:
So you believe in God. Can you prove that it exists?

Belief in God doesn't help humanity with a sense of equality... just like belief in Santa doesn't help humanity believe in charity.

Mike,

I cannot prove there is a God, just as I can't prove that I love someone. It is a feeling, or maybe it is in my soul, or maybe it's instinct. The difference between the belief in God and the belief in Santa is that one is man made and worldly, whose only agenda is monetary and tangible and the other, GOD, is intangible, spiritual and not man made.

God gave us all the tools we require. The greatest thing God gave us was the freedom of choice. This is where our true freedom comes from.

V

mgt23 · September 17, 2009, 02:38:35 AM

QuoteI cannot prove there is a God, just as I can't prove that I love someone.

right about that

QuoteIt is a feeling, or maybe it is in my soul, or maybe it's instinct.

and should we base our behavior in real life purely on instinct? i personally base mine on intelligent thinking. pigs feel-humans think

QuoteThe difference between the belief in God and the belief in Santa is that one is man made and worldly, whose only agenda is monetary and tangible and the other, GOD, is intangible, spiritual and not man made.

what utter rubbish-prove god isnt man-made.......further more prove that all religion isnt manmade.

veritasvincit · September 17, 2009, 05:58:48 PM

Quotemgt23 wrote:
pigs feel-humans think

In case you hadn't noticed, humans feel and think. That truly is what sets us apart from the animals.

Peace
V

mgt23 · September 18, 2009, 06:01:47 AM

i was referring to Socrates.

QuoteI would rather be a human dissatisfied than a pig satisfied.

[youtube:p6uweavi]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1euWT3NZjY[/youtube]p6uweavi]

Free Truth · September 18, 2009, 09:35:12 PM

QuoteSo where does the God of Bible fit into this?

Are you referring to "Yahweh?"

QuoteDoes this God of yours meddle in human affairs? Does he answer to your prayers?

Mike, I don't think you're viewing it right...

I can't speak for others, but when I talk of God I refer to whatever it was that started the galaxies and existence and enabled life as we know it to come about in it.

Do you believe in the Big bang theory?

The consensus is that the Big bang started it all 13.6 billion years ago. I don't condone the theory because, IMO, we'll never know for sure whether it is correct; it's just too great for us. (And as people here will know, we can hardly verify events that allegedly happened several centuries ago let alone 13+ billion years ago- :lol: ) A mature individual's view of God should be somewhat of an agnostic one...

Worship of God is more about reverence of existence, creation of life-whatever it was-and thanks that you've received an opportunity to experience it. Feel me?

Unfortunately ridiculous religious explanations and stories combined with simplemindedness of the masses keep most from reaching such a realization.

veritasvincit · September 20, 2009, 09:38:41 PM

Quotemgt23 quoted socrates:
I would rather be a human dissatisfied than a pig satisfied.

what does a dissatisfied human have to do with belief or not in God? prove to me that there is no God?

what is love or hate? prove to me that either exist or not.

V

Free Truth · September 22, 2009, 07:05:50 PM

Quote from: "Free Truth"
QuoteSo where does the God of Bible fit into this?

Are you referring to "Yahweh?"

I can't speak for others, but when I talk of God I refer to whatever it was that started the galaxies and existence and enabled life as we know it to come about in it.

Do you believe in the Big bang theory?

The consensus is that the Big bang started it all 13.6 billion years ago. I don't condone the theory because, IMO, we'll never know for sure whether it is correct; it's just too great for us. A mature individual's view of God should be somewhat of an agnostic one...

Worship of God is more about reverence of existence, creation of life-whatever it was-and thanks that you've received an opportunity to experience it.

WB, thoughts???

mgt23 · September 22, 2009, 07:36:51 PM

Quotewhat does a dissatisfied human have to do with belief or not in God? prove to me that there is no God?

because pigs belief in something with only instinct to guide them and every brainwashed nut out there accepts their view with no critical thinking and starts claiming that their truth applies to all with zero qualification empirically

Quotewhat is love or hate? prove to me that either exist or not.

ask your mother on the first and then try to deny it
then ask me about my ex girlfriend for the second and feel it.(joking)
ask me about the second when an axe murderer savages your mother(which i hope it doesnt happen)

Free Truth · October 04, 2009, 09:30:42 PM

Quote from: "Free Truth"I can't speak for others, but when I talk of God I refer to whatever it was that started the galaxies and existence and enabled life as we know it to come about in it.

Do you believe in the Big bang theory?

The consensus is that the Big bang started it all 13.6 billion years ago. I don't condone the theory because, IMO, we'll never know for sure whether it is correct; it's just too great for us. (And as people here will know, we can hardly verify events that allegedly happened several centuries ago let alone 13+ billion years ago- :lol: ) A mature individual's view of God should be somewhat of an agnostic one...

Worship of God is more about reverence of existence, creation of life-whatever it was-and thanks that you've received an opportunity to experience it.

Unfortunately ridiculous religious explanations and stories combined with simplemindedness of the masses keep most from reaching such a realization.

Would anybody like to share any thoughts on this?
What is "God" to you?

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