Sibel edmonds controlled opposition?

[Large Sarge]

what do all the smart folks at TIU think?

I confess I do not know her whole story, but the geist is that she points at turkey for 9/11, and blames the bush/bin laden connection


she is getting tons of free press, and of course no mention of Israel....

[LordLindsey]

...and she is JEWISH.

LINDSEY

[GordZilla]

Simple enough, if they are Jewish  and in the 'trooth' movement don't trust them, you will not be later disappointed. That doesn't mean they are not capable of being truthful, it only means they are less likely to be truthful if they happen to be Jewish. I'm sure by now most of us have been disappointed by believing in one Jewish 'troother' or another only to be later let down ...there are countless examples of these 'troothers'. However there are merely but a handful of them who's words have stood the test of time, only a tiny handful. Sure seems odd to me, when in all other courts of activism they always comprise the loudest voice, that so few have openned their mouths and spoke on behalf of perhaps the greatest of all movements; ours.
 i.e.; Where the f$#k are they?

[MikeWB]

What's the source on her being jewish? I haven't heard that one before...

This is an interesting tid-bit from her husband:

Sibel Edmonds - Turkish-American

I am Matthew Edmonds, Sibel Edmonds' husband of 15 years, and would like to put this issue to rest. Sibel's birth cetificate was issued by the "Republic of Turkey", as was her passport before she became a U.S. citizen. Orrin_73 has it exactly backwards; rather than, as he claims, being an Iranian who lived a few years in Turkey, Sibel is a Turk, who lived a few years in Iran. Over the years we have traveled many, many times to Turkey, visiting her Turkish family and friends, and making many new Turkish friends of our own. It is wonderful country, full of natural beauty, history, and the most generous, friendly people one could ever hope to meet, and Sibel is understandably very proud of her Turkish heritage.
Orrin_73 is apparently Turkish, and I can't understand why he & other like-minded Turks try to brand her as somehow being "un-Turkish". Criminals & corruption exist in all countries & all governments - neither the United States nor Turkey is exempt. When, because of what Sibel has experienced and what she has done to try to bring the corruption & criminals to light, her case points to corruption & criminality by U.S. citizens, she is viewed in the U.S. as the heroic patriot that she is - not as being un-American. Why is it then, that when this same information points to corruption & criminality of some Turkish persons, those such as Orrin_73 try to brand her as un-Turkish, or by some, even as a traitor to Turkey? Do they condone corruption & criminality by Turks?
Lmedmonds 17:12, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[sullivan]

...and she is JEWISH.

Source?

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=5954&p=24927&hilit=Sibel+Edmonds#p24927

She's an agent for Western media consumption.

[kolnidre]

There's been no proof offered that she's Jewish, and we're all smart enough to observe actions over states of being and words.

What has always kept me a good distance from her is that she's been promoted by gatekeeping liars like Jon Gold, avid cheerleader for the Patsystan LIHOP fable of 9/11. And then she gives her "breakthrough" interview to Brad Friedman, another lefty and effective gatekeeper. I like antiwar.com, but Justin Raimondo knows way too much about Israhell's involvement in 9/11 to justify his continued references to Muslim hijackers and Osama. He even wrote a book about the art students and other intrigue, so either he's afraid or being used.

She's easy on the eyes and quite articulate, but strikes me as a sideshow intended to feed truthers hope in little measured bites.

[LordLindsey]

Re: Sibel Edmonds Post on Narco News on Bogata Connection
by maz » Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:00 pm

Sibel Edmonds is a Turkish Jew. There are a few interviews with Anti-War.com's Scott Horton where she get's into the AIPAC American Turkish Council stuff. Don't forget though, she is gagged for a reason.
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She is very well-known to be Jewish, so if you NEED to prove it, you can spend the time searching for the source.  I don't have time now to do it, but she IS Jewish because at the time I was investigating this angle of information about the Edmonds red-herring for Rep. McKinney.

LINDSEY

[LordLindsey]

http://www.rense.com/general54/ffroe.htm



"The FBI Agents Who Tried
To Stop 911
APFN.org
7-16-4
 
The FBI's field agents are "the good guys". It's the ass kissing, spineless careerists at the top who have corrupted the agency. In the critical weeks and months leading up to that fateful day, numerous clues were picked up by loyal FBI field agents. Some of these agents were so alarmed at what they thought was an unfolding terror plot, that they tried to convince their superiors to investigate deeper. These agents were either ignored, threatened, or fired.
 
Each of these FBI agents thought that they were on the trail of an Arab terror plot and unless they've read this paper, they probably still believe so. We can forgive them their ignorance if they haven't realized yet that the trail they were on was not that of Arab terrorists, but rather Mossad agents impersonating Arab terrorists. (much more on that later!) The essential point is that these agents were on to something big that someone didn't want them to digging into.
 
There is FBI Special Agent Robert Wright. The public interest law firm Judicial Watch is representing agent Wright. Wright claims that he was met with retaliation and threats from his bosses and from the Justice Department who told him they wanted his probes to go no further.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/article ... 4339.shtml 124
Wright maintains that if his investigation had been allowed to continue, the attacks could have been prevented.
 
There is FBI agent Coleen Rowley. The gutsy Rowley wrote a 13 page letter to FBI Director Robert Mueller in which she actually accuses the director of her own agency of "a subtle skewing of the facts".
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article ... 97,00.html 125
 
Rowley's letter also charged that the agency refused to react to evidence of a pending terror plot. According to Rowley the FBI's obstruction was so blatant that her and some of her fellow agents jokingly speculated that key FBI personnel must have been moles working for Osama Bin laden!
 
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article ... 97,00.html 126
Rowley's main point of contention was the agency's failure to go after Zacharias Moussoui, the "20th hijacker", even after his flight school instructor reported his suspicious behavior to the FBI. Moussoui you will recall was the French Algerian who couldn't speak French to his flight school instructor.
 
There is FBI agent Sibel Edmonds. Edmunds was an FBI wiretap translator. She claims that another FBI translator was working for the Mossad and that the Mossad also tried to recruit Edmonds to make phony translations for the purpose of misdirecting investigations. When agent Edmonds refused, the Mossad threatened her safety! http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/javascript/ch
annelnav/nav_imagemap.map?385,17 127
 
When she brought these allegations to the attention of her superiors, she was fired for being "disruptive". The Washington Post briefly reported this story without mentioning the name of nation that tried to recruit Edmonds. But The Post did reveal that Edmonds and the other translator "trace their ethnicity" to this certain "Middle Eastern" country. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/java
script/channelnav/nav_imagemap.map?385,17 128
 
Agent Sibel Edmunds is not an Arab. Edmonds is jewish. Therefore we know that the "Middle Eastern" nation which the Post chose not to name is Israel. (No big surprise there!) Sibel Edmonds deserves a lot of credit for defying the Mossad and blowing the whistle to her superiors. Instead, she was fired for her patriotic efforts, proving once again that Zionists are willing to hurt innocent jews.
 
There is FBI agent John M. Cole, program manager for FBI intelligence investigations covering India, Pakistan, and Afgahinstan. In the same Washington Post story about Edmunds, it was reported that Cole also wrote a letter to FBI chief Mueller warning him about lax security procedures in the hiring of translators. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/
javascript/channelnav/nav_imagemap.map?385,17 129
 
Dedicated agents such as Wright, Rowley, Cole, Edmonds and others who have spoken anonymously, had to be stopped from going after "Muslim terrorists". If not so obstructed, they would in time come to discover that they weren't really Al Qaeda terrorists!! Not only were investigations blocked before 9-11, but they continue to be blocked after 9-11. The cover up is so blatant that members of both the House and Senate Intelligence committees complains directly to CIA Director George Tenet and Attorney General John Ashcroft. The Los Angeles Times reported:
 
"Lawmakers leading the investigation of intelligence failures surrounding the 9-11 attacks are increasingly concerned that the CIA and Justice department are actively impeding their efforts....The flare up centers on obstacles congressional investigators say the agencies have strewn in their path."
http://www.intellnet.org/news/2002/05/04/9205-1.html 130
 
That's exactly what FBI agents Wright, Rowley, Edmunds, and Cole said happened to them when they tried to investigate before the attacks! By the way, did I mention that the FBI is under the jurisdiction of yet another Zionist named Michael Chertoff? Chertoff is the Director of the Criminal Division of the US Justice Department. FBI chief Robert Mueller has to answer to Chertoff. Perhaps that explains Mueller's highly pathetic, and highly revealing, speech before the Anti Defamation League's 24th Annual National Leadership Conference held in May of 2002:
 
"I have long admired and respected the work of ADL, and I appreciate your longstanding support of the FBI. I know that under my predecessor, Louis Freeh, this partnership reached new heights. . . . I am absolutely committed to building on that relationship. We in the FBI tremendously value your perspectives and your partnership. Your insights and research into extremism are particularly helpful to us, shedding light on the changing nature of the terrorist threats facing America. Your support of hate crime and terrorist investigations, which are now front and center in the work of the FBI, is essential to us. And the training and education you provide for the FBI and for law enforcement have never been more relevant. That includes the conference on extremist and terrorist threats you are sponsoring later this month at the FBI Academy." http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/speeches/speech050702.htm 131
 
Just shoot me now! The FBI is in "partnership" with the Zionist ADL and relies upon this criminal smear group for "insights and research", and "education and training!" Didn't anyone ever tell FBI chief Mueller that when the FBI raided the California offices of the ADL in 1993, they found that the ADL had computerized files on nearly 10,000 people across the country, and that more than 75 percent of the information had been illegally obtained from police, FBI files and state drivers license data banks? http://www.rense.com/general24/adl.htm 132 Isn't Mueller aware that the San Francisco Superior Court awarded $150,000 in court judgments against the Anti-Defamation League in connection with this FBI bust?
http://www.rense.com/general24/adl.htm 133
 
What other group in America could get away with not only stealing FBI files (a Federal offense!!!), but then becoming "partners" with the FBI? So why would FBI Director Mueller disregard the fact that the ADL is a criminal group that was caught spying on US citizens by his own FBI? Why does Mueller ignore the "insights" of his own agents while thanking the criminal ADL for it's "advice"? It's because Mueller and his kind are empty, career minded "yes men" who understand that it doesn't pay to defy the Zionist Mafia. Ass-kissers like Mueller get promoted. Honest agents like Wright, Rowley, Edmonds and Cole go nowhere fast!
 
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm "

Elsewhere it was admitted that she is a Jewish Turk, but it has been so damned long ago and she has been going back-and-forth with her ability to reveal ANYTHING WORTHWHILE that I stopped wasting my time with anything that she has to say because we all are facing the reality of the final war involving Iran, brought to the planet by the same cast-of-characters responsible for the planet's misery now.  The point is that if you want to dwell on whatever it is that she has to say, that is fine, but this entire situation that the Zionist Jews have wrought on planet Earth goes far, far beyond 911 and Turkish intrigue that we had better focus on what is happening NOW as far as I am concerned.  If she had anything at all contradictory to say, waves would have already been made YEARS AGO by her.

LINDSEY

[sullivan]

Agent Sibel Edmunds is not an Arab. Edmonds is jewish. Therefore we know that the "Middle Eastern" nation which the Post chose not to name is Israel. (No big surprise there!) Sibel Edmonds deserves a lot of credit for defying the Mossad and blowing the whistle to her superiors. Instead, she was fired for her patriotic efforts, proving once again that Zionists are willing to hurt innocent jews.

Of course she is not an Arab. Turks are not Arabs. Her maiden name Deniz is certainly 100% Turkish. Merely claiming she is Jewish doesn't make her so.  Just because her message is potentially compromised or weakened doesn't make her Jewish.

[LordLindsey]

Ask her or a representative of her if she is Jewish, because she SAID IT at some point-in-time; it is truly that simple.

EOD

LINDSEY

[sullivan]

Ask her or a representative of her if she is Jewish, because she SAID IT at some point-in-time; it is truly that simple.

Then there'll be a link or reference to that particular interview, won't there?  I have done a considerable amount of searching and I can't find any such reference. I'm not saying it does not exist, what I am saying is that hearsay is not admissible evidence when uncorroborated.  

EOD

WTF? You can't just decide when a discussion/debate ends. It doesn't work like that!

[abduLMaria]

it's hard to tell if she has "skin in the game", i.e. if she's actually risking anything with her disclosures.

she could be working for Israel to deflect attention to Turkey.

or she might be the real deal, a genuine whistleblower who if brought to court (as a witness, not a defendant) will name names including Zionist & Israeli names.

[MikeWB]

Ask her or a representative of her if she is Jewish, because she SAID IT at some point-in-time; it is truly that simple.

EOD

LINDSEY

We need proof. Currently, there's zero evidence that she's Jewish. get her or her husband or her associate to say she's Jewish and I'll believe it.

or she might be the real deal, a genuine whistleblower who if brought to court (as a witness, not a defendant) will name names including Zionist & Israeli names.

If you read the released grand jury testimony, that's precisely what she has done. Named names and many are Jewish/israeli.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

The Problems with Sibel Edmonds:

1. If what she had to say could have stopped the G*dd*mned Jew War in Iraq in 2003, then screw the Jews, the NeoCons and their F**KING GAG ORDERS -- go straight for the kill... Do it Sylvie Stolz style and just dump the buckets of CRIMINAL IDIOT JEW SH*T in a deposition -- and wait for the JEW F*CKED PRESS to GO APE SH*T.
--- But no, she sits on her hands and mumbles for years as she's supposed to... "I've got a secret... but I can't tell it. It's very official and important!"  

-- Okay, it's 200X now who the f*** cares now?
The Sh*ts have achieved their objectives.

2.  CIA-FBI Types dig her as something special.  MAJOR RED FLAG.

3. Get the story straight. List the Scams in a very clear and easy to follow presentation from Jewish Scams, to Turkish Payoffs, to NeoCon Drug Running, etc.
Her association with Michael Ruppert gave me a bad vibe. COME ON LADY SAY EXACTLY WHO DID 9/11 IF YOU KNOW... DO a SYLVIA STOLZ and just drop all formalities and freaking pretenses.  Don't "AJ - the truth away" if you've got it.

4. Don't look for "Good People" in the Intelligence communities.  I think this alone gives me the worst vibe about her and her story.    It's just an endless story involving the "cast" of 9/11 State Department people and their failures, etc.  If it is a coverup -- THEN SAY IT IS A COVERUP AND THIS IS WHO IS DOING IT.  Hit'em and don't back down!!!! And don't wait.    It's like she never really quit.  That's why I automatically assumed she's probably Jewish and probably still working as an agent (Turkish or whatever).  It seems like she is doing something for somebody in some country.
http://www.breakfornews.com/Sibel-Edmonds-Story.htm

Here's her partner--Daniel Ellsberg... yeah..now that's another "truthteller".
Edmonds & Daniel Ellsberg

Daniel Ellsberg was born in Chicago in 1931, to Jewish parents with a passion for Christian Science
Appendix I: Daniel Ellsberg, Another false prophet from the left (?)
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/app_i.htm

5. Finally, What does she provide to really tell how 9/11 went down?  What does she provide to even give a hint that it wasn't 19 Arabs? Prove that.  She's a MAJOR DISTRACTION IN THE FIGHT AGAINST THE CRIMINALS. Do you think she will help convince anyone that the ZioTards carried out 9/11?  No, she only confirms the official story and I'm not holding my breath to hear her attack like a Samurai.  

6. WHERE IS THE WORD "JEW" in all of this, Sibel??  

This puzzles me, knowing the detailed information, I, myself, provided to the commission during a three and a half hour tape-recorded briefing; yet, finding only one footnote (footnote 25) briefly stating insufficient translation capability within the Bureau. It is highly curious that the report mentions nothing regarding the 'intentionally blocked translations by certain Middle Eastern Translators, who also breached FBI security, as confirmed by the Senate Judiciary'; nothing regarding 'adamant resistance to investigations of certain terrorist and criminal activities; refusing to transfer them to Counterterrorism from existing counterintelligence investigations, solely based on the vague notion of protecting certain foreign relations'; nothing regarding 'continued efforts to cover up certain highly specific information received prior to September 11, even now, years after 9/11,'; or nothing regarding 'knowingly allowing certain individuals, directly or indirectly related to terrorist activities, to leave the United States months after 9/11, without any interrogation, and per the State Department's request.'

I've assumed she's still been an intelligence player all these years.  

Sorry for the caps and profanity but I'm rather not pleased to see her overpromoted as some sort of suffering "Truthteller".  If you are going to blow the whistle, then aim true at the enemies while they are still in the act.  Go for it and don't get nervous feet.

Here's a sympathetic "CIA" interviewer:
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"Who's Afraid of Sibel Edmonds?" Giraldi


"GIRALDI: And Grossman received money as a result. In one case, you said that a State Department colleague went to pick up a bag of money...

EDMONDS: $14,000

GIRALDI: What kind of information was Grossman giving to foreign countries? Did he give assistance to foreign individuals penetrating U.S. government labs and defense installations as has been reported? It's also been reported that he was the conduit to a group of congressmen who become, in a sense, the targets to be recruited as "agents of influence."

EDMONDS: Yes, that's correct. Grossman assisted his Turkish and Israeli contacts directly, and he also facilitated access to members of Congress who might be inclined to help for reasons of their own or could be bribed into cooperation. The top person obtaining classified information was Congressman Tom Lantos. A Lantos associate, Alan Makovsky worked very closely with Dr. Sabri Sayari in Georgetown University, who is widely believed to be a Turkish spy. Lantos would give Makovsky highly classified policy-related documents obtained during defense briefings for passage to Israel because Makovsky was also working for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC).

GIRALDI: Makovsky is now working for the Washington Institute for Near Eastern Policy, a pro-Israeli think tank."  Giraldi

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A remarkable interview.  Giraldi is a very respected retired CIA field man.

What emerges from the article is a picture of the Washington of the "K Street Project," the revolving door, consultants sold out to foreign governments, foreign national intelligence agencies doing their duty in seeking to learn American government secrets, foreign connected lobbies working hard to suborn the US Congress.  Hanging over the whole thing is a miasma of endless, meaningless, boring symposia, conferences, power lunches, etc.  I think it was probably ever thus.

I am disappointed to think that Scowcroft is really like this.

I always wondered what lay behind Grossman's supercilious arrogance.  There usually is something, something.  pl

Download The American Conservative -- Who's Afraid of Sibel Edmonds

http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semp ... raldi.html

[MikeWB]

Here's her partner--Daniel Ellsberg... yeah..now that's another "truthteller".

Do you even know who Daniel Ellsberg is and what he has done?!

He's one of the greatest whistleblowers in US history! He risked his life to expose Vietnam War scam and lost his career over it and was jailed and prosecuted. He was enemy #1 of Military Industrial Complex.

Just because a person is of jewish background doesn't make them bad!

If you're of the opinion that everyone who has some jewish blood in them is bad, then please don't post on these forums again. We're not a hate forum.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

MikeWB... dude you are so far out of your league in this one... you don't even have a F***king clue of where the wall is when you go for some of these long balls... do you think we can all just "get a long"?  She's got Zio written all over her dude.. Wake up and smell the bagels...
As for Ellsberg, since you ask, Ellsberg was a Jew Flunkie that saved Kissinger's ass.  Yes. Now where's the wall Mike? Kissinger got his Jew Flunkies Rumsfeld and Cheney their first jobs after Nixon... Ellsberg could have put that IDIOT JEW F*CKHEAD AWAY FOR GOOD!!! BUT HE DIDN'T? HMMMMM>>>>>>>>>>>> WHY IS THAT?

Katharine the Great (1979)

In 1969 Daniel Ellsberg was a man tormented. After months of working with Kissinger, having seen his real peace plan, which was to pressure Hanoi through the Soviet Union and Communist China (hence détente and the China initiative), and to destroy Cambodia with bombs, rather than to talk sincerely in Paris; having been invited to San Clemente three times to tell Kissinger about "options" and urging him to read the Pentagon Papers, which, incredibly, he had not looked at, Ellsberg felt he had to repudiate everything he had done for the previous ten years. He became obsessed with breaking the deadly silence (the Cambodia bombing would remain secret until April 1970), with ending the deception and the self-deception of the national security types who were still, in spite of the Pentagon study, keeping that ridiculous war going out of more self-deception, desperation, and pride. In September he and his daughter and son and Anthony Russo (a RAND fellow who had analyzed Viet Cong "motivation and morale" for the government by interviewing prisoners in Saigon jails) made copies of the Pentagon Papers in a small Los Angeles advertising agency. The papers had been in private circulation at RAND, and Ellsberg, one of their authors, had legitimate access to them.

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The GI's Rabbi
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Edited by Greg Palmer and Mark S. Zaid
Introduction by Doris L. Bergen

November 2004
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book cover imageWe saw 39 boxcars loaded with Jewish dead in the Dachau railway yard, 39 carloads of little, shriveled mummies that had literally been starved to death; we saw the gas chambers and crematoria, still filled with charred bones and ashes. And we cried not merely tears of sorrow. We cried tears of hate.

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[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Here's a "Scandalous" list of stories about Sibel Edmonds --- I ask, WHERE IS THE JEW 9/11 IDIOT CONSPIRACY?  It's like an idiot Jew written "24" Show with "Terrorists".
http://www.wanttoknow.info/sibeledmondsnewsarticles

[abduLMaria]

MikeWB... dude you are so far out of your league in this one... you don't even have a F***king clue of where the wall is when you go for some of these long balls... do you think we can all just "get a long"?  She's got Zio written all over her dude.. Wake up and smell the bagels...
As for Ellsberg, since you ask, Ellsberg was a Jew Flunkie that saved Kissinger's ass.  Yes. Now where's the wall Mike? Kissinger got his Jew Flunkies Rumsfeld and Cheney their first jobs after Nixon... Ellsberg could have put that IDIOT JEW F*CKHEAD AWAY FOR GOOD!!! BUT HE DIDN'T? HMMMMM>>>>>>>>>>>> WHY IS THAT?

how did Ellsberg save Kissinger's ass ?

[MikeWB]

MikeWB... dude you are so far out of your league in this one... you don't even have a F***king clue of where the wall is when you go for some of these long balls... do you think we can all just "get a long"?  She's got Zio written all over her dude.. Wake up and smell the bagels...
As for Ellsberg, since you ask, Ellsberg was a Jew Flunkie that saved Kissinger's ass.  Yes. Now where's the wall Mike? Kissinger got his Jew Flunkies Rumsfeld and Cheney their first jobs after Nixon... Ellsberg could have put that IDIOT JEW F*CKHEAD AWAY FOR GOOD!!! BUT HE DIDN'T? HMMMMM>>>>>>>>>>>> WHY IS THAT?

how did Ellsberg save Kissinger's ass ?

He didn't. CSR is just too full of hate to realize that.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

MikeWB? Full of what? Truth? Dude you are so "Dumbed Down" on these issues it astonishes, really.... are you a real researcher here or a stooge of some sort?  America is ZOG dude... ALWAYS has been in the 20th Century and AT ALL TIMES -  REMEMBER THAT... it sucks but it is true. Ellberg is just another little Jew pushing gears in the ZOG machinery... remember that.  

Read the whole thing.... and join the "Dark Side"...  :lol:
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Ellsberg COULD HAVE EASILY PUT KISSINGER IN PRISON.... But he didn't.... Hmm... why is that?  Jews sabotaging Nixon since they knew the Arab-Israeli wars would be on the horizon.. and maybe Nixon wouldn't be on board like ex-Zionistic President Johnson?  Maybe Ellsberg listened to Leonard Cohen before Cohen travelled to Israel to play before IDF soldiers in 1973... but hey, Mike loves Zionists that sing witty tunes in a gravel voice.  Oh, sorry MikeWB, you love Leonard "Zio" Cohen. I guess you like Spock and Star Trek too I imagine..  :geek:  ... Here's a Bagel... question for you.. who is Leslie Gelb?

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In September of 1970, Kissinger agreed to meet with Ellsberg at San Clemente. Why Kissinger did so is not clear—needless to say, Ellsberg was not mentioned in the first volume of Kissinger's memoirs. Whatever Kissinger's motive, there was nothing outwardly unseemly about their meeting: as of September, 1970, Ellsberg had yet to be linked to any leak of classified materials and was widely known inside the government as a leading theorist on decision-making. The appointment coincided with a burgeoning crisis over the PLO and Jordan in the Middle East. Kissinger began, Ellsberg recalls, by saying, "I'm afraid Rogers's policy is going to explode." Ellsberg responded, "Well, Henry, I'm here to talk about your Vietnam policy. I'm afraid it may explode. " For the next ten minutes or so, Ellsberg quickly summarized his view of the White House's threat strategy in Vietnam, which hinged on a series of escalations that included an invasion of Laos and the mining of Haiphong harbor. "I thought to myself," Ellsberg says, "if I'm right, he's got to be hemorrhaging inside." Kissinger said nothing, drumming his fingers on a table and staring intently as Ellsberg talked. When Ellsberg concluded, Kissinger said only, "I do not want to discuss our policy; let us turn to another subject." Ellsberg, who was not easily put off, turned the talk to the Pentagon Papers. He knew that Kissinger was aware of the history project and had been invited to be a consultant in its initial stages. Kissinger acknowledged that there was a copy in the White House safe but said that he had not looked at it. Should he? Ellsberg recalls that he urged Kissinger to read at least the summaries, the few pages condensing each volume. Kissinger said he did not want to do so. "Do we really have anything to learn from this study?" he asked. At this point, Ellsberg says, "My heart sank."
 

The special prosedution force had informally agreed with the White House early in the Watergate inquiry that all of the Nixon-Kissinger meetings were prima facie concerned with national-security matters, and none of their extensive conversations was ever subpoenaed. Prosecution files made available to me show, however, that Kissinger, who took part in the fifty-minute meeting on June 17, was inadvertently overheard expressing concern not only about Ellsberg's leak of the Pentagon Papers but also about other documents and secrets he might make public. On that day, or the day before, perhaps, the White House learned that Ellsberg had also provided Senator Charles McC. Mathias, Jr., a liberal Republican, of Maryland, with a copy of one of the administration's first studies on Vietnam. Mathias had brought the top-secret document to the White House Situation Room, where it was verified as authentic.

Nixon was most anxious about the Brookings Institution, a liberal think-tank in Washington to which Mort Halperin had gone after leaving Kissinger's staff. Also at Brookings was Leslie Gelb, who, many in the White House believed, was involved in the Pentagon Papers leak to the Times. At one point during the meeting, prosecution files show, Nixon and Kissinger spoke of the possibility that other top-secret documents were stored in Halperin's or Gelb's safe at Brookings, awaiting future release. "They've got the stuff over there," Nixon said. "Stuff that we can't even get out of there from the Pentagon." Kissinger responded: "Can't we send someone over there to get it back?"

http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/82may/hershwh3.htm

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

See Kissinger was portrayed as the "Peace Maker" that saved Israel from the "Soviet Union".. But, it really appears that the Soviet Union versus the USA was massive Jewish Hoax that succeeded for years.  Don't you see that the Jews between Israel-the USA-Soviet Union knew everything and coordinated to help Israel.  I know you will dismiss that thought -- that the Cold War was a massive Jewish Hoax on the world for Israel's growth, much like WWI planted the seed of Israel and WWII gave it birth.  You might not go that far but... do the research and you will come around.  Sibel Edmonds is a typical character they throw around during these scams.

http://books.google.com/books?id=BPW3KC ... ix+Day+war

[MikeWB]

CSR, you're just sandbagging the issue with different crap. You're pulling bullshit to somehow tie Kissinger with Ellsberg.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

CSR, you're just sandbagging the issue with different crap. You're pulling bullshit to somehow tie Kissinger with Ellsberg.

Well, and I've got the impression somebody named MikeWB believes in Jewish Heros during the Cold War.  Dude, don't be a sucker.

Answer these questions with citations or documentation.
1. Why wasn't Kissinger removed from office? Even after Nixon stepped down?
2. What was the exact nature of the relationship between Kissinger and Ellsberg?
3. Is Kissinger a Dual National? Which countries?
4. In which sections is Kissinger cited in any of the Jew Scripted Pentagon Papers?
5. Kissinger's survival and the arrival of the Chicago School of NeoCons... what was his role?
6. According to US law, Ellsberg committed treason. Why did he get off scot free?
7. Define your crap/B.S. -- is a Jew conspiracy just randomness and happenstance particularly at the highest levels?

The fact is you have got to do some research here... but the Idiot Jews don't want you to pursue this line of inquiry MikeWB...
Seriously, this site is going downhill with this type of crap from you MikeWB. You seem to want to just have us post happy faces here all day... screw that. Where there is smoke, there is usually fire.  Are you getting a check from the ADL or something these days? I know the Irish economy crashed I hope you haven't stooped to begging from Foxman.  :shock:

[MonkeySeeMonkeyDo]

Seriously, this site is going downhill with this type of crap from you MikeWB. You seem to want to just have us post happy faces here all day... screw that.

I concur. It seems that if it were up to MikeWB this forums membership would consist of a bunch of MikeWB's. Let people have their own opinion. Constant threats of "don't post here if you talk or think like that" is the very essence of controlling dissent. I'm not accusing you of controlling dissent I'm accusing you of being stubborn in your beliefs and ways of going about things. You want everyone to be like you. Must we all share the same opinion or get out? Is that what this is turning out to be? I sure hope not.

[MikeWB]

If it were left up to CSR, this forum would be a neo-nazi forum. Full of "kike this", "idiot jew that" posts. CSR is of the opinion that a good Jew is only a dead jew. In his vocabulary there is no word "Jew" that stands on its own... it always must be prefaced by the word "idiot". I've had to change so many of his titles here on TiU because he's so filled with hate that he cannot write Jewish or Jew... it must be written as "Idiot Jew". That's why he got so many warnings but he still doesn't seem to get it.

He doesn't even think that any Jew can be a good person!  :lol:

Give me a break.... crap like that just takes away from our credibility and just retards our progress and puts us in the same category as those morons at nazi sites.

EXTREMISM OF ANY KIND IS THE CANCER OF THE WORLD! And it certainly won't be tolerated here. If I were an anti-Zionist Jew, I'd have hard time participating in this forum or even just reading because of hate-fileld posts.

I'm disappointed that you, MSMD, are taking CSR's stand... but I've duly noted your position. I'm surprised that you still think that posting here and exposing Zionists does us good considering your last essay how it's all over and how it's pointless to fight and how we should just give up. Have you changed your mind or are you back just to troll? Let us know please.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Published on Thursday, December 5, 2002 by the Baltimore Sun
Choice of Kissinger Discredits 9/11 Probe
by Melvin A. Goodman
 

WASHINGTON - The Bush administration's appointment of Henry A. Kissinger to head the commission to probe the intelligence and security flaws that allowed the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks is a cynical and dangerous maneuver.

The administration's explanation that "you need someone like a Kissinger because of his security clearance" is a puerile rationalization for an investigative position that calls for character and integrity.

Mr. Kissinger's government career was marked by significant lapses of judgment and calculated efforts to circumvent bureaucratic and even constitutional limits on the use of force and power. He was secretary of state to presidents Richard M. Nixon and Gerald R. Ford and was Mr. Nixon's national security adviser.

The secret bombing of Cambodia avoided constitutional checks and balances in order to expand the war in Southeast Asia, using a clandestine dual reporting system that was hidden from Congress, the public and most of the Pentagon for nearly five years. The secret bombing nearly became an issue in Mr. Nixon's impeachment inquiry in 1974, when the Senate Armed Services Committee conceded that it still had not learned how the dual bookkeeping system originated.

The same week that the government of Prince Sihanouk was overthrown in Cambodia, a direct result of the secret bombing, Mr. Kissinger approved a covert action to undermine the democratically elected government of Salvador Allende in Chile. He told the secret committee that approved all covert actions: "I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its own people."

Several years later, Mr. Allende was overthrown and killed in a bloody coup. His successor, Gen. Augusto Pinochet, then sanctioned the assassination of Chilean dissidents, including a former Chilean foreign and defense minister on Embassy Row in Washington. Mr. Kissinger was familiar with Operation Condor, which sponsored such criminal violence, but he has consistently defended his record and that of General Pinochet in Chile.

At the time of Mr. Allende's ouster, Mr. Kissinger was being confirmed as secretary of state before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, where he denied any U.S. involvement in the upheaval. CIA Director William E. Colby officially corrected the record several months later, after his predecessor, Richard M. Helms, also lied to the committee and faced perjury charges as a result.

Finally, Mr. Kissinger called the shots in 1975 in a Marine rescue of a U.S. merchant ship, the Mayaguez, with a crew of 40 men. More Marines and airmen were killed in the rescue attempt - 41 - than there were merchant marines on the ship. Moreover, a foreign government had informed the White House that the Cambodians were about to release the Mayaguez more than 12 hours before the Marine invasion began.

The heel-dragging of the Bush administration, which has been opposed to an independent investigation of 9/11 for more than a year, suggests that the White House may have had sufficient warning to pursue preventive measures against a terrorist attack. The administration delayed the start of the congressional investigation even though the Senate and House intelligence committees have not exactly been junkyard dogs in monitoring the activities of the intelligence community, particularly the CIA.

And the last time Mr. Kissinger chaired a bipartisan committee, he produced the National Bipartisan Commission on Central America (1983-84), which provided cover for the Reagan administration's secret war in Nicaragua.

More recently, as we gain access to declassified transcripts of Mr. Kissinger's conversations with world leaders, we learn about the many deceits and obfuscations that abound in his multi-volume memoirs as national security adviser and secretary of state. These memoirs were produced during a period when Mr. Kissinger prevented scholarly access to his papers from the 1960s and 1970s in order to thwart any challenge to his official record.

And those who serve on the Kissinger commission should not expect trustworthiness or even collegiality. Mr. Kissinger is known for wiretapping his closest colleagues on the National Security Council and for referring to Mr. Nixon as "our drunken friend" and the "meatball mind."

It's no surprise that Mr. Kissinger was a fan of Austria's Prince Metternich, who was said to confuse policy with intrigue. The same can be said for Mr. Kissinger. His hostility toward the checks and balances of the American system and his consistent endorsement of secret government and secret war make him profoundly unsuited to head a commission on 9/11 at such a sensitive juncture in American history.

Melvin A. Goodman, an author and a former senior analyst at the Central Intelligence Agency, is a senior fellow at the Center for International Policy.

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/1205-03.htm

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

MikeWB,

Like I've said before, a Smart Jew disowns his faith in a Talmudic belief system, disowns Israel, disowns Rabbis, disowns Jew Group think, and becomes the "Other" or basically "Goyim" in the larger scheme of things. I've said this before. Idiot Jews continue to call themselves "Jewish" - that includes all them, across the board.  That's the definition of "Idiot Jew".  Judaism is in all regards an anti-humanity religion and Jewish religious scholars acknowledge this.  Only Idiots continue to follow it.

I don't use the work "Kike" that's what you think. I don't even use it in conversation with others.  I have a very specific definition of "Idiot Jew".

As long as Jews continue to scam on Wallstreet and in their day to day relations with "Goyim", I'll continue to call them "Idiot Jews" because frankly, that's what they are.  I don't say this from a Neo-Whatever perspective.  
With Idiot Jew Nukes pointed at American and European cities, I really don't care about the "Good Jews" anymore.  If the Good Jews give up supporting the anti-humanity religion they apparently belong to and bascially disown Judaism, then great!  But I'm not going to hold my breath.

Question for you MikeWB (and other Board Members) -- who are you trying to appear "Credible" for?  What's your definition of Credible? Do you want to be an Anti-Zionist Journal?  If so, then did a "Conspiracy of Smart Jews" going back for 200+ years create modern Israel in 1947?

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Pentagon Papers Timeline:

http://www.topsecretplay.org/index.php/content/timeline

[MikeWB]

Question for you MikeWB (and other Board Members) -- who are you trying to appear "Credible" for?  What's your definition of Credible? Do you want to be an Anti-Zionist Journal?  If so, then did a "Conspiracy of Smart Jews" going back for 200+ years create modern Israel in 1947?

For "normal" people who we want to attract to this site and get them to join us. Most of the people don't want to be a part of a hate site. Clearly, none of the mods want that. TiU is not a hate site. We don't hate people based purely on ethnicity. This site is not about Jew hating.

So leave the extremism and hate off this site. If you cannot make a post without name calling and attacking people purely based on their ethnicity, don't click Submit. It's as simple as that.