Links between Jesuits and criminal Khazar Jewry?

[Tratzman]

I've seen a lot of adamant people in certain chatrooms claiming the Jesuits are behind the New World Order/Illuminati cabal.  Can someone please sort out the fact from fiction for me with respect to these Jesuits?  Are there Crypto Jews within the Jesuit order who are running the Catholic Church or am I way off?  I do recall reading a little snippet (in the Synagogue of Satan series) about the Rothschilds taking over the Catholic Church's banking interests in the 1800's so I figure there's got to be some kind of serious involvement by international Jewry in Catholic affairs.

Chad

[Wimpy]

Proof.  Demand supporting documentation.

Should it be so difficult for anyone to connect the historical dots, follow the money trail and look around to discover that Jesuits are small time players compared to the Zionists.  The FED, Media, Education, Drugs (legal and illegal), Medical, Legal, Oil, and I'm certain I missed a few, are not owned and controlled by Jesuits.  

Jesuits were infiltrated by Jews, yes, as were other Catholic groups and Christian sects.  

I think Alex Jones' website(s) is the primary distribution point of this Jesuit falsehood.  Spend a week here reading and then arrive at your own conclusions.

[high_treason]

There was a post earlier about the Templars originating from a Jewish convert, maybe the same could be said about the Jesuits especially after reading Disraeli regarding Jewish influence on secret societies and also Henry Ford's International Jew or even listening to Benjamin Freedman's speech. But as far as money goes yes, the Rothschild bank controls the vatican bank and whoever controls the money also makes the rules.

Here are a few links and quotes regarding that issue:

Disraeli—British Premier, Portrays the Jews

http://www.jrbooksonline.com/Intl_Jew_f ... n/ij37.htm

It is a curious fact that just as the Jews have sought to operate through the Masons and then leave that Order to take the brunt of the ensuing assault, so also have they at times sought to operate through the Jesuits, playing the same trick with that name and Order. If the Jesuits and the Masons would compare notes, they could both report the same thing. Jews have sought to use both, and have been frustrated, although in consequence the names of both Orders have suffered for a time.

And now for the most illuminating lines Disraeli ever wrote—lines which half compel the thought that maybe, after all, he was writing to warn the world of Jewish ambition for power:

"You never observe a great intellectual movement in Europe in which the Jews do not greatly participate. The first Jesuits were Jews. That mysterious Russian Diplomacy which so alarms Western Europe is organized and principally carried on by Jews. That mighty revolution which is at the moment preparing in Germany, and which will be, in fact, a second and greater Reformation, and of which so little is yet known in England, is entirely developing under the auspices of Jews." (p. 250.)

Also check this out Jewish Jesuits a list of them all compiled on a website

"We Jesuits take pleasure in admitting those of Jewish ancestry."

J. Nadal Morey


http://www.jewishjesuits.com/

Forgot to mention there is a book called

The Jesuit Order as a Synagogue of Jews  by Robert Aleksander Maryks

Which details how the Jesuits were created by Jews and they were then supposedly expelled from it but with the website I also offered you can see that not all were expelled.
If you want to buy the book

http://www.brill.nl/default.aspx?partid=210&pid=31314

and here is a review of it:

In The Jesuit Order as a Synagogue of Jews the author explains how Christians with Jewish family backgrounds went within less than forty years from having a leading role in the foundation of the Society of Jesus to being prohibited from membership in it. The author works at the intersection to two important historical topics, each of which attracts considerable scholarly attention but that have never received sustained and careful attention together, namely, the early modern histories of the Jesuit order and of Iberian "purity of blood" concerns.
An analysis of the pro- and anti-converso texts in this book (both in terms of what they are claiming and what their limits are) advance our understanding of early modern, institutional Catholicism at the intersection of early modern religious reform and the new racism developing in Spain and spreading outwards.

Hope this helps

[thirdeyewise]

"The Illuminati Order was preceded in the 1500's in Spain by the "Alumbrados," a Christian heresy started by crypto Jews called "Marranos." The founder of the Jesuit Order, Ignatius of Loyola, was a Marrano/Alumbrado. Thus when people today argue whether it is the Jesuits or Zionists who are responsible for our troubles, they are really talking about the same beast. " David Livingstone, author of "Terrorism and the Illuminati"


" You never observe a great intellectual movement in Europe in which the Jews do not greatly participate. The first Jesuits were Jews that mysterious Russian diplomacy which so alarms Western Europe, is organised & principally carried on by Jews; that mighty revolution which is at this moment preparing in Germany & which will be in fact a 2nd & greater Reformation & of which so little is as yet known in England. "

-Englands Jewish PM, Benjamin Disraeli Ch 24 Lord George Bentinck: Political Biography, 1852

Jesuit founder Ignatius Loyola Marrano Jew
Jesuit co-founder Francis Borgia Marrano Jew
Jesuit 2nd General James Lainez Marrano Jew
Jesuit 4th General Eberhard Mercurian Belgian Jew
Jesuit (most famous) Adam Weishaupt Jew (son of rabbi)

[Tratzman]

Thanks for your guys' replies.  It's starting to make more sense now.  

It was curious to hear William Cooper, at some conference, specifically say that it's not the Zionist Jews behind the NWO but the Jesuits and Catholic Church.  I said to myself "How can he be that stupid, it's so blatantly obvious who controls the central banks, media, education system, etc..."  I thought William Cooper was one of the most knowledgeable people on the planet concerning these things and it got me to thinking that maybe this guy knows something I don't.

Anyway, thanks for some of the leads.  I figured there was some kind of role these marranos or crypto-Jews had in the whole Jesuit thing and now it's confirmed.

[thirdeyewise]

Rabbi Marvin S. Antelman shows in his book "To Eliminate the Opiate" (New York, 1974) that there was a clear connection between Frankism and Weishaupt's Illuminism. The goal of the Frankists was to work in secret to establish Jewish world supremacy. Professor Scholem has clearly documented that they achived extensive political power.


Jacob Frank stressed heavily in his teaching to his followers that they should deliberately undergo false conversions to various faiths (principally Christian faiths) so as to 'rot' these religions from the inside out. mainstream historians are confused about these issues to this day, and dismiss the significance of his movement, precisely because it was 'absorbed' into the Catholic church after his death, when there was a mass 'conversion' of his followers.


Bernard Lazar, a well-known Jewish author, wrote in his "L'Antisemitisme" in 1894, that exclusively Cabbalist Jews surrounded Weishaupt. Confiscated documents show that of 39 Illuminati holding lesser leading positions, 17 were Jews (i.e., 40%.) The higher one looked in the ranks, the larger was the percentage of Jews. Even the fact that the Illuminati headquarters in Ingolstadt were later converted into a synagogue was symbolic of this conspiracy. Lazar stated that all these Jews became the agents of revolution because they had "revolutionary souls."

[high_treason]

It was curious to hear William Cooper, at some conference, specifically say that it's not the Zionist Jews behind the NWO but the Jesuits and Catholic Church. I said to myself "How can he be that stupid, it's so blatantly obvious who controls the central banks, media, education system, etc..." I thought William Cooper was one of the most knowledgeable people on the planet concerning these things and it got me to thinking that maybe this guy knows something I don't.

While I respect William Cooper's work, the guy was naive to some extent. Some examples come to mind like UFO's when he believed them and kept saying he saw the documents up until he realized he was being used, then with Jordan Maxwell when he interviewed him for Mystery Babylon series only to realize he is a newage guru and a Freemason. William Cooper is a good introduction especially his Mystery Babylon series is great with a wealth of information, but like everything else it is not 100% accurate you have to dig deeper and do your own research to get to your own truth no one can claim that they have the whole picture or the abosulte truth and whoever says so is lying. Its a process of continuous learning, you have to get to your own conclusions.

[Anonymous]

Thanks for your guys' replies.  It's starting to make more sense now.  

It was curious to hear William Cooper, at some conference, specifically say that it's not the Zionist Jews behind the NWO but the Jesuits and Catholic Church.  I said to myself "How can he be that stupid, it's so blatantly obvious who controls the central banks, media, education system, etc..."  I thought William Cooper was one of the most knowledgeable people on the planet concerning these things and it got me to thinking that maybe this guy knows something I don't.

Anyway, thanks for some of the leads.  I figured there was some kind of role these marranos or crypto-Jews had in the whole Jesuit thing and now it's confirmed.

I would like to see that conference, do you have a link.

consider the catholic church as the Romans and the jews as Roman slaves. During the catholic reformation, the Catholics changed gods from Saturn to Jupiter. The jews and Islam held on to the old God Saturn.

The Jesuit's did crowd are protestant zionists.  To ignore the Vatican role in History in the battle for world control would be ignorant.

If you look carefully at these so called Jesuits or Jews etc.. they have a common theme, the brotherhood.

The Khazar myth has more holes then swiss cheeze.  it was propaganda created to justify the creation of Israel in 1923.

[thirdeyewise]

The Khazar myth has more holes then swiss cheeze.  it was propaganda created to justify the creation of Israel in 1923.

really, how is that, please explain?

[Anonymous]

The Khazar myth has more holes then swiss cheeze.  it was propaganda created to justify the creation of Israel in 1923.

really, how is that, please explain?

well, since you asked

The evidence is as such

in 1923ish a letter appeared from a spanish Rabbi from Joseph the King of Khazars alledgedly 1400's - propaganda to show that the jews once had a homeland. much like the dead sea scrolls were discovered just in time of Israel's creation in the 1940's. The timing is impeccable.

the references of Khazars converting are copies of copies of copies of an Arabic scholar's writings. that allegedly appear 300 years after the fact. They made the movie the 13th warrior from the same writer, who they claim must have had knowledge of the writings of the original writer, whose original documents don't exist.

the Khazars were a buffer for romans at Constantinople against the Turk invaders and since history repeats itself the cossacks of the very same region that the Khazars once lived served the same purpose, but many years later of coarse.

and finally Constantinople princesses were married off to Khazar kings, and left their palace life to go live in tents.



the sources of Arthur and those before him all trace back to the same Arabic writers or poets whose account is not first hand and is some 300 years after the fact.

if you have evidence of the contrary I would love to see it.

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[Hans]

Thanks for your guys' replies.  It's starting to make more sense now.  

It was curious to hear William Cooper, at some conference, specifically say that it's not the Zionist Jews behind the NWO but the Jesuits and Catholic Church.  I said to myself "How can he be that stupid, it's so blatantly obvious who controls the central banks, media, education system, etc..."  I thought William Cooper was one of the most knowledgeable people on the planet concerning these things and it got me to thinking that maybe this guy knows something I don't.

Anyway, thanks for some of the leads.  I figured there was some kind of role these marranos or crypto-Jews had in the whole Jesuit thing and now it's confirmed.

I think Cooper's point was that Jews ("chosen") and Freemasons ("initiated") were  stormtroopers for the Satanists of Babylon.

[joeblow]

Moved to the appropriate forum.

[Scotty]

I've seen a lot of adamant people in certain chatrooms claiming the Jesuits are behind the New World Order/Illuminati cabal.  Can someone please sort out the fact from fiction for me with respect to these Jesuits?  Are there Crypto Jews within the Jesuit order who are running the Catholic Church or am I way off?  I do recall reading a little snippet (in the Synagogue of Satan series) about the Rothschilds taking over the Catholic Church's banking interests in the 1800's so I figure there's got to be some kind of serious involvement by international Jewry in Catholic affairs.

Chad

I was having this exact discussion today, "Jesuits or Jews" - but this conspiracy began long before The Jesuits were founded (by Crypto-Jews) and even before Jesus was born, who condemned the 'Synagogue of Satan' and the Catholic Church was infiltrated from it's inception!

'The irony of this charade is that the popes who condemned forced conversions to Christianity, such as Gregory I, and the rulers who compelled the Jews to convert, such as Dagobert and the House of Anjou, were all Merovingian Jews! The foreseeable consequence of coercing whole populations of Jews to convert to Christianity was massive infiltration of the Roman Catholic Church by European Jewry.' (Barbara Aho)

http://watch.pair.com/mystery-babylon.html


Usury for Power...

    "The human causes of [the persecution of Jews], unique in history, are witnessed by the Jews' insatiable appetite for turning to usury to gain power through betrayal in order to dominate, and whenever possible, to take over and overthrow the State.

    "In every country, this immutable law of Hebrew prosperity in every country is always to the detriment of the well being and liberty of the inhabitants. Many years before Rome fell into the claws of history, the famous Lemann brothers, who converted from Judaism and became priests of the Catholic Church, in one of their works, which merits meditation, wrote:

    "'O Israelites of Rome, we understand the attitude of our people. If you are conceded the right of possession which you invoke, we wager that, within thirty to fifty years from now, Rome will be in your hands.' (ff. Rome et les juives. 'Rome and the Jews')

     "And so the prophecy came to pass. The city of Rome fell quickly into the abyss, and was economically and materially subjugated to the Jews, as were all of the major cities of the great nations of Europe." (La Civilta Cattolica)

[Anonymous]

"The Illuminati Order was preceded in the 1500's in Spain by the "Alumbrados," a Christian heresy started by crypto Jews called "Marranos." The founder of the Jesuit Order, Ignatius of Loyola, was a Marrano/Alumbrado. Thus when people today argue whether it is the Jesuits or Zionists who are responsible for our troubles, they are really talking about the same beast. " David Livingstone, author of "Terrorism and the Illuminati"


" You never observe a great intellectual movement in Europe in which the Jews do not greatly participate. The first Jesuits were Jews that mysterious Russian diplomacy which so alarms Western Europe, is organised & principally carried on by Jews; that mighty revolution which is at this moment preparing in Germany & which will be in fact a 2nd & greater Reformation & of which so little is as yet known in England. "

-Englands Jewish PM, Benjamin Disraeli Ch 24 Lord George Bentinck: Political Biography, 1852

Jesuit founder Ignatius Loyola Marrano Jew
Jesuit co-founder Francis Borgia Marrano Jew
Jesuit 2nd General James Lainez Marrano Jew
Jesuit 4th General Eberhard Mercurian Belgian Jew
Jesuit (most famous) Adam Weishaupt Jew (son of rabbi)

To be fair I will investigate your claims with an impartial attitude as much as I can muster.

This article states that Ignatius Loyola was not a jew, but really really wanted to be one

http://www.mediafire.com/?lngyygzmgmu

full article
http://www.jewishjesuits.com-a.googlepa ... sevino.pdf

You know these mass conversions seem to occur shortly after the time of the catholic reformation when the Catholics changed from worshiping Saturn and moved on to worshiping Jupiter, leaving the jews and islam worshiping the old god saturn.

I do have to ask some questions:

If you prove someone was jewish and then converted and worked for the catholics, does this make them evil conspirators?

when did the phrase jew first appear in writing.

When did hebrews become jews?

Why did the popes and kings of france consider themselves Israelites as evidenced by the statues of Notre dame?

How do you convert a Race? I understand converting a religious person, but not a race.

Later in the same article

http://www.mediafire.com/?2emzduyytjh

[Anonymous]

p. 58

Of the zealous members of the Lodge Theodore the most conspicuous was Dr. Adam Weishaupt, Professor of Canon Law in the university of Ingolstadt. This person had been educated among the Jesuits; but the abolition of their order made him change his views, and from being their pupil, he became their most bitter enemy.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/sro/pc/pc05.htm

notice here that the author does not say that Adam was a Jesuit, but educated among the Jesuits and became their enemy

However, he is clearly outed as a Freemason and founder of the Illuminati

and Philo according to wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolph_Freiherr_Knigge

In 1780 Knigge joined Adam Weishaupt's Bavarian Illuminati and his work with the Illuminati gave the group a great deal of publicity. But in 1783 dissensions arose between Knigge and Weishaupt, which resulted in the final withdrawal of the former on 1 July, 1784. Knigge could no longer endure Weishaupt's pedantic domineering, which frequently assumed offensive forms. He accused Weishaupt of "Jesuitism", and suspected him of being "a Jesuit in disguise" (Nachtr., I, 129). "And was I", he adds, "to labour under his banner for mankind, to lead men under the yoke of so stiff-necked a fellow?--Never!"

As far as Adam Weishaupt being a jew, can you help me out with the source of this information, there are a lot of websites regurgitating this, but none listing sources.

according to wikipedia that does have sources although not in english

Adam Weishaupt was born on February 6, 1748 in Ingolstadt[1][5] in the Electorate of Bavaria. Weishaupt's father Johann Georg Weishaupt (1717–1753) died[5] when he was five years old. After his father's death he came under the tutelage of his godfather Johann Adam Freiherr von Ickstatt[6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freiherr

The German titles Freiherr (Baron)[1][2] and Freifrau and Freiin (Baroness) are titles of nobility, used preceding the names of people, or later (after 1919), before family names. They are titles of lower peerage rank in the former Holy Roman Empire (in German Heiliges Römisches Reich, HRR), and in its various German successor states, including Prussia, Bavaria, Württemberg, Hessen and others. In Austria-Hungary and elsewhere, such as in the Baltic and Nordic countries, "Freiherr" (literally "free lord")[1] was considered about equal to the title Baron. The original distinction from other barons was that a Freiherr's landed property was allodial instead of a fief. Barons who received their title from the Holy Roman Emperor are known as Barons of the Holy Roman Empire, Reichsfreiherr, although the title is sometimes shortened to Freiherr.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Weish ... ogle.com-4

so from what I a see
his father died when he was 5 and grandpa who was a baron raised him. Did they have Jewish Barons?