'Oath Keepers' Leader Arrested for Child Rape; Cops Find Stolen Grenade Launcher In His House

[MikeWB]

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'Oath Keepers' Leader Arrested for Child Rape; Cops Find Stolen Grenade Launcher In His House
By David Neiwert Thursday Jan 21, 2010 6:00am

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We first noticed Marine Sgt. Charles Dyer, aka "July4Patriot," back in March, when we ran one of the first reports on the "Oath Keepers" bloc of the Tea Party movement -- an organization devoted to recruiting military and police-force veterans into a Patriot-movement belief system predicated on a series of paranoid conspiracy theories, especially the notion that the federal government intends to begin rounding up citizens and putting them in concentration camps.

Dyer played a prominent role in connecting the Oath Keepers to the Tea Party movement, speaking at a July 4 Tea Party rally in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma. And he's been involved in organizing militia "maneuvers" in Oklahoma.

Dyer cropped up again in the news -- this time in the police blotter for allegedly raping a 7-year-old girl:

An ex-military man has been arrested on charges of rape of a child and forcible sodomy.

Charles Alan Dyer, 29, of Marlow, was arrested Tuesday afternoon by Stephens County Sheriff's deputies, said Sheriff Wayne McKinney. Dyer served in the United States Marines in Iraq.

Oh, and guess what police found when they searched his home:

During the search the sheriff's deputies noted several firearms and a device believed to be a Colt M-203, 40-millimeter grenade launcher, a complaint filed in the United States District Court of Western Oklahoma by Alcohol, Firearms and Tobacco Special Agent Brett Williams said.

As the story from KAUZ-TV notes, Dyer had a history of making bizarre claims in his videos -- as well as violent fears of being arrested.

"We come home and those bastards want to talk about how we're domestic terrorists and a threat to this country. It makes me so angry," said Charles Dyer, who has been accused of committing rape.

... More incriminating evidence against Dyer has surfaced in a YouTube video. The video shows Dyer, a former U.S. Marine, talking proudly about domestic terrorism. "Join the military?", said Dyer. "Depends on what you want to do with it. Me? I'm going to use my training and become one of those domestic terrorists that you're so afraid of from the DHS reports."

... "I'm certainly not going to be hiding from my command anymore. I'm not hiding from ATF. Not hiding from FBI. Any organization. If they want to come get me I'm not going to be afraid," Dyer said.

"Patriots, we are not overpowered. If we united under one banner and fight for our children's liberity and the constitution, our resolve is invincible to any standing army," Dyer said.

GossipBoy is reporting that the rape victim was a close family member. They also report that Dyer had been in touch with a fellow militiaman linked to explosives dealing, and that when bomb-sniffing dogs searched Dyer's home, they indicated explosives had been stored there recently.

Meanwhile, unsurprisingly, the folks at American Resistance Movement -- a group Dyer was also prominently involved in -- are claiming that Dyer was set up, and the girl who accused him was "programmed" to do so. Accordingly, they've set up a "Free July4Patriot" fund, with a little button on their front page so you can donate.

Also, Dyer's YouTube page remains active.

Every movement attracts its freaks. But the Patriot movement attracts an inordinate number of them -- and particularly people with a pedophilia problem. (I can list at least 10 different prominent figures in the Northwest's Patriot movement in the 1990s who had a history of being charged with abusing and abducting children.) Evidently, being a pedophile leads to resentment of the government -- probably for its desire to lock you away.

We'll reserve judgment on Dyer's guilt or innocence for after the trial. But let's just say that the predictable claims that he's been arrested as part of a government plot to silence him are not exactly compelling in this case.

[Thanks to Susie for her help with this post.]

[LordLindsey]

In my very strong opinion this is fucking COINTEL all the way, and I am here to say it bluntly:  If ANYONE is talking about violence, run as far away as you possibly can and warn people you know that this is one of those tell-tale signs of COINTELPRO that we are alway warning people to watch out for, and it looks like OathKeepers was just as others have said--a way to catalogue those in ACTIVE military, ACTIVE police, ACTIVE government agencies, etc., etc., etc.  People, if Hal Turner beings PROVEN to be an FBI-informant/agent-provacteur did not make you understand that THIS SHIT IS REAL, then I pray to God that you finally get it NOW.

You people who have any association with these radicals are setting yourselves up for trouble via guilt by association, and you better start using your heads instead of your emotions because I don't want to see good people get caught-up in these apparent ops.

LINDSEY

[MikeWB]

Right on. Anyone advocating violence of any kind is COINTELPRO or a fucking idiot. We cannot win this war with weapons.. only with information.

[Tomas O'Crohan]

Right on. Anyone advocating violence of any kind is COINTELPRO or a fucking idiot. We cannot win this war with weapons.. only with information.

I think it's naive in the extreme to believe that this criminal organization, on the verge of its centuries old scheme to control the whole world, is going to be thwarted by words alone. When I hear people assert such a premise, I always ask them: "Identify one criminal organization in all of human history that has desisted from its criminality upon being politely asked to do so?" Perhaps you'll be the first to successfully identify such an organization. I know of none.

I agree that some groups that loudly proclaim the use of violence are sometimes or perhaps always front groups for the criminals themselves, using such tactics to identify those that will resist them. This does not alter the fact, however, that they are going to be stopped only when they are physically stopped and that nothing short of that will do so. Yes, getting the knowledge of the real enemy and real history spread far and wide (and fast) is critically important. This is necessary so that those involved in the physical opposition to this criminal organization receive the support of the populace. Physically stopping them will not be possible without such support. If we are to be saved in this country it will only be because we have the world's largest army represented by the armed American populace. While it's stupid to loudly proclaim the "virtues of violence" it's equally stupid not to have ample supplies of the tools that will be needed when the time comes.

"Speak softly but carry a big stick" is perhaps the best advice in confronting our current dilemma.

[maz]

For the record, I started this thread over at Prison Planet, but my thread has either been removed or buried in another part of a forum.

[MikeWB]

Right on. Anyone advocating violence of any kind is COINTELPRO or a fucking idiot. We cannot win this war with weapons.. only with information.

I think it's naive in the extreme to believe that this criminal organization, on the verge of its centuries old scheme to control the whole world, is going to be thwarted by words alone. When I hear people assert such a premise, I always ask them: "Identify one criminal organization in all of human history that has desisted from its criminality upon being politely asked to do so?" Perhaps you'll be the first to successfully identify such an organization. I know of none.

I agree that some groups that loudly proclaim the use of violence are sometimes or perhaps always front groups for the criminals themselves, using such tactics to identify those that will resist them. This does not alter the fact, however, that they are going to be stopped only when they are physically stopped and that nothing short of that will do so. Yes, getting the knowledge of the real enemy and real history spread far and wide (and fast) is critically important. This is necessary so that those involved in the physical opposition to this criminal organization receive the support of the populace. Physically stopping them will not be possible without such support. If we are to be saved in this country it will only be because we have the world's largest army represented by the armed American populace. While it's stupid to loudly proclaim the "virtues of violence" it's equally stupid not to have ample supplies of the tools that will be needed when the time comes.

"Speak softly but carry a big stick" is perhaps the best advice in confronting our current dilemma.

Uhm... no. Look what happened to USSR:

Samizdat (Russian: самиздат; Russian pronunciation: səmɨˈzdat) was a key form of dissident activity across the Soviet-bloc; individuals reproduced censored publications by hand and passed the documents from reader to reader, thus building a foundation for the successful resistance of the 1980s. This grassroots practice to evade officially imposed censorship was fraught with danger as harsh punishments were meted out to people caught possessing or copying censored materials. Vladimir Bukovsky defined it as follows: "I myself create it, edit it, censor it, publish it, distribute it, and get imprisoned for it."

Anyone who thinks that a bunch of patriots can go into a fight against the gov is nuts. Gov has 10000x more money and more arms than patriots and will win every time. They're just itching for a reason to start killing people.

You cannot win on THEIR terms. What we need is asymmetric warfare strategy and that's what the information is.

The way to win is to inform the population so that our message reaches the critical mass so that we can win without a single shot fired (yes, that's unlikely but it's what we should strive for). Guns should be used for a personal defense and for a last stand effort. Grabbing guns and going to war against these crooks is a sure way to lose... and that's precisely what they want.