A strong WARNING about the disinformation coming from John Alan Martinson Jr, Prothink & some others

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John Alan Martinson Jewnjor, ProThink . . .
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A strong WARNING about the desinformation coming from John Alan Martinson Jr, Prothink, Adam Austin (Subverted Nation)  and some other people/sites, they are trying to trick you when they are saying that you must refer to the jews like they are a race, first they are not (more about it later), and second and the main point here, when they trick you to define the zionist or the jews as a race then the judicial machinery can INMEDIATELY put you under arrest because then it is "Hate Speech" by law.

Even when in some documents they are speaking about the rabbis/Cohen DNA-strings, that doesn't represent the whole Ashkenazi or other parts of judaica, just the priesthood.


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Points in which Jewish groups differ is largely in the source and proportion of genetic contribution from host populations.[10][11] As examples, the Teimanim differ from other Mizrahim, as well as from Ashkenazim, in the proportion of sub-Saharan African gene types which have entered their gene pools.[10] Among Yemenites, the average stands at 35% lineages within the past 3,000 years.[10] Yemenite Jews, as a traditionally Arabic-speaking community of local Yemenite and Israelite ancestries,[11] are included within the findings, though they average a quarter of the frequency of the non-Jewish Yemenite sample.[10] In Ashkenazi Jews, the proportion of male indigenous European genetic admixture amounts to around 0.5% per generation over an estimated 80 generations, and a total admixture estimate around 12.5%.[5] The only exception to this amongst Jewish communities is in the Beta Israel (Ethiopian Jews); a 1999 genetic study came to the conclusion that "the distinctiveness of the Y-chromosome haplotype distribution of Beta Israel Jews from conventional Jewish populations and their relatively greater similarity in haplotype profile to non-Jewish Ethiopians are consistent with the view that the Beta Israel people descended from ancient inhabitants of Ethiopia who converted to Judaism."[12][13] Another 2001 study did, however, find a possible genetic similarity between 11 Ethiopian Jews and 4 Yemenite Jews from the population samples.[14]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_eth ... ies_of_DNA
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Within the world's Jewish population there are distinct ethnic divisions, most of which are primarily the result of geographic branching from an originating Israelite population, and subsequent independent evolutions. An array of Jewish communities were established by Jewish settlers in various places around the Old World, often at great distances from one another resulting in effective and often long-term isolation from each other. During the millennia of the Jewish diaspora the communities would develop under the influence of their local environments; political, cultural, natural, and populational. Today, manifestation of these differences among the Jews can be observed in Jewish cultural expressions of each community, including Jewish linguistic diversity, culinary preferences, liturgical practices, religious interpretations, as well as degrees and sources of genetic admixture.[29]

Jews are often identified as belonging to one of two major groups: the Ashkenazim, or "Germanics" (Ashkenaz meaning "Germany" in Medieval Hebrew, denoting their Central European base), and the Sephardim, or "Hispanics" (Sefarad meaning "Spain/Hispania" or "Iberia" in Hebrew, denoting their Spanish, and Portuguese, base). The Mizrahim, or "Easterners" (Mizrach being "East" in Hebrew), that is, the diverse collection of Middle Eastern and North African Jews, constitute a third major group, although they are sometimes termed Sephardi for liturgical reasons.[30]

Smaller groups include, but are not restricted to, Indian Jews such as the Bene Israel, Bnei Menashe, Cochin Jews, and Bene Ephraim; the Romaniotes of Greece; the Italian Jews ("Italkim" or "Bené Roma"); the Teimanim from Yemen and Oman; various African Jews, including most numerously the Beta Israel of Ethiopia; and Chinese Jews, most notably the Kaifeng Jews, as well as various other distinct but now almost extinct communities.[31]

The divisions between all these groups are approximate and their boundaries are not always clear. The Mizrahim for example, are a heterogeneous collection of North African, Central Asian, Caucasian, and Middle Eastern Jewish communities that are often as unrelated to each other as they are to any of the earlier mentioned Jewish groups. In modern usage, however, the Mizrahim are sometimes termed Sephardi due to similar styles of liturgy, despite independent development from Sephardim proper. Thus, among Mizrahim there are Iraqi Jews, Egyptian Jews, Berber Jews, Lebanese Jews, Kurdish Jews, Libyan Jews, Syrian Jews, Bukharian Jews, Mountain Jews, Georgian Jews, and various others. The Teimanim from Yemen and Oman are sometimes included, although their style of liturgy is unique and they differ in respect to the admixture found among them to that found in Mizrahim. In addition, there is a differentiation made between Sephardi migrants who established themselves in the Middle East and North Africa after the expulsion of the Jews from Spain and Portugal in the 1490s and the pre-existing Jewish communities in those regions.[31]

Despite this diversity, Ashkenazi Jews represent the bulk of modern Jewry, with at least 70% of Jews worldwide (and up to 90% prior to World War II and the Holocaust). As a result of their emigration from Europe, Ashkenazim also represent the overwhelming majority of Jews in the New World continents, in countries such as the United States, Canada, Argentina, Australia, and Brazil. In France, emigration of Mizrahim from North Africa has led them to outnumber the Ashkenazim and Sephardim.[32] Only in Israel is the Jewish population representative of all groups, a melting pot independent of each group's proportion within the overall world Jewish population.[33]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew#Ethnic_divisions

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[Ognir]

Strange that /tab, have had that question on my mind for the past 2-3 days

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Add Austin to your list as well so

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[rodin]

Ashkenazi Jews represent the bulk of modern Jewry, with at least 70% of Jews worldwide (and up to 90% prior to World War II and the Holocaust).

After what Holocaust?

BTW if the Rothschilds bred at the rate of the originals there are 10m now

Blair for example was son of illegitimate father

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Ashkenazi Jews represent the bulk of modern Jewry, with at least 70% of Jews worldwide (and up to 90% prior to World War II and the Holocaust).

After what Holocaust?

BTW if the Rothschilds bred at the rate of the originals there are 10m now

Blair for example was son of illegitimate father

Blair's family is stil matter of debate, for me it is just enough to know that Blair allways implementing the Zion agenda, remember that one of the first things he did as Primer Minister was to make the Bank of England autonomous :
 [. . .] In 1997 it became an independent public organisation, wholly-owned by Government, with independence in setting monetary policy

http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:a_W ... en&ct=clnk

Holocaust?

Yes, that is a whole debate in its own, you see, I took the quotes from Jewikipedia, and that what you get from there, by the way, I was writting about it recently :

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=9563#p36084


I recomend this video as a good reply to the issue :

[googlevid:1oov590n]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6759022809518563654[/googlevid:1oov590n]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 518563654#

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[rodin]

In mother's side the Jewish Lipsetts (Wikipedia)- on fathers...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost ... stcount=51

Holoco$t

http://www.historiography-project.com/misc/faq.html

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Disagree, I don't see any disinfo coming from the prothink-JAM group.

I may disagree wtih JAM's Satanism but I still dont see disinfo. Sorry.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Tab, you seem to be basing your accusation on the erroneous "fake Jews vs. Real Jews" debate.
Jews are a race. they are a culture, they are a law religionized, they are a religion. Get over it, and move on.

A Jew has only truly renounced Zionism when he has also renounced Judaism. If he hasn't, he is still a Jew, whether he be Khazar, Ashkenazi, Sephardim, atheist, liberal, or Orthodox.
Judaism is Zionism, despite anything you have heard.

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 . . . the main point here, when they trick you to define the zionists or the jews as a race then the judicial machinery can INMEDIATELY put you under arrest  because then it is "Hate Speech" by law.

We agree to disagree then, Timothy, could you please adress the point I was making above about the judicial machinery implications of calling jews a race ?

Would you call catholics a race ?

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[mgt23]

jews are a compound ethnic group. judaism = zionism is utter shite. if they worship the talmud then yes we have a problem. for example in the UK sikhs want to be registered as a race. what a stupid notion. jews are only a race if they are genetically linked of which particularly in jews case they are not. in my definition judaism does not = zionism and in a way the term jew loses information value. agreed tab they do indeed want it as hate speech and yes catholics are not a race neither are sikhs and neither are jews. zionism is the intolerable sickness and only that. people can think whatever disgusting thoughts they want.....what matters in law is what they do. Anyone who is anti JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO is COININTEL or just pig ignorant.

[satya]

Judaism is NOT Zionism.  That's a Zionist argurment i.e. criticizing Israel is anti-Semitic.

[Seppuku]

John and Mike made Missing Links, which has countered the Alex Jones' kind of disinfo and helped spread the most vital facts about 911 and some other essential issues.
Even if they made serious mistakes after that major achievement (OWNP for John, endorsing a guy like Quest on the bus tour for Mike) there was nothing produced by anyone here or elsewhere as useful and powerful than their film since its release.
So please stop bashing them until you've created such a mind opening tool.

[GordZilla]

Might as well post this here and let John speak for himself;

[youtube:1tf9agg7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGKDS4X1Yqo[/youtube]1tf9agg7]

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Those who deny Judaism = Zionism fail to see the fallacy in their argument.

Their argument apepars to be merely reactionary. "I want to avoid being called an anti-semite, so by not defining Judaism as Zionism clears me of this."

These people go fruther and say that Jews want us to make that equation so that they can further brand and demonize us. This is contradictory on so many levels. Yes, Jewish orgs like the ADL foment anti-semitism, but not legitimate anti-semitism. They foment strawman anti-semitism.

Saying Judaism and Zionism are the same, which can be demonstrated quite easily, is not strawman anti-semitism.

Bullshit, be a fucking man and call it what it is.

Jews are a race. But they are also many other things, of which I have already explained in my last post in this thread.

If Judaism isn't Zionism, than someome please explain to me in great detail what the fuck the difference between Judaism and Zionism is.

Pretend I am 10 years old, and explain it to me.

For fucks sake, Zionism is extracted right form the Old Testament, specifically the Pentateuch, A JEWISH BOOK.

Now how the fuck is Zionism not Jewish in this sense?

Tell me.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

jews are a compound ethnic group. judaism = zionism is utter shite. if they worship the talmud then yes we have a problem. for example in the UK sikhs want to be registered as a race. what a stupid notion. jews are only a race if they are genetically linked of which particularly in jews case they are not. in my definition judaism does not = zionism and in a way the term jew loses information value. agreed tab they do indeed want it as hate speech and yes catholics are not a race neither are sikhs and neither are jews. zionism is the intolerable sickness and only that. people can think whatever disgusting thoughts they want.....what matters in law is what they do. Anyone who is anti JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO is COININTEL or just pig ignorant.

Excuse me? I say Judaism and Zionism are the same. Am I "cointel?" If so, who do I work for?

Where did you learn this? Where were you educated? What is your religious background?

mgt, you say the same kind of shit Alex Jones followers say.

[joeblow]

Bullshit, be a fucking man and call it what it is.

Jews are a race. But they are also many other things, of which I have already explained in my last post in this thread.

If Judaism isn't Zionism, than someome please explain to me in great detail what the fuck the difference between Judaism and Zionism is.

Pretend I am 10 years old, and explain it to me.

Mr. TalmudTimmy, I am taken aback, you have never had such a tone in all of the comments in your torrents concerning the subject of Judaics trying to take over the world (for at least the last 300 years). Jews are not a race for many reasons:

1. Genetics: There are far too many differences at a genetic level between the many subcultures that unite against the Goyim and worship the Talmud. We had a humongous thread concerning the subject.

2. Conversion: Within the Bible, there are many examples of people converting to Judaism. For hundreds of years after the fall of the Second Temple, Jews were still proselytizing (and publicly stopped after the conversion of the Khazars).

3. Nazis: It was the Zionists (who promoted the Nazi Party and Hitler) who took a mistake made by a Nationalist German (calling them Semites) and ran with it. Beforehand it was generally the desire of Christians in Europe to convert the Khazars in their mist to Christianity.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Joe, are you telling me that Jews are not typically Semitic? Are Jews not typically Khazar, Ashkenazi, and Sephardim?

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Joe, my tone (all the swearing) is largely due to my shock that I am seeing such ignorance on a forum such as this.

[joeblow]

Joe, are you telling me that Jews are not typically Semitic? Are Jews not typically Khazar, Ashkenazi, and Sephardim?

To put it bluntly, it is the failure of the Occidental Mind to differentiate between religion and race. I am a Muslim living in Europe and hear people say "That guy looks Muslim!".

Yes, the majority of today's Jews are Ashkenzai, just like the majority of Amish are Germans and Druze are Arabs, but that does not make them a race.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

John Allan Martinson gets it. He tells it better than most I have heard of. He is not disinfo and definitely not cointel as far as I can see.

He, like so few, is not taken in by the likes of orgs like "Jews Against Zionism." Even Jeff Rense doesn't get this.

Anti-Zionists Jews are liars. pure and simple.

[joeblow]

Joe, my tone (all the swearing) is largely due to my shock that I am seeing such ignorance on a forum such as this.

That is okay, I still remember how cool and well-mannered you were interacting with Jewish Mafiosos on ThePirateBay who attacked you while they were distributing torrents full of Child-Pornography. Other than your superb torrents, it made me recognize how genuine you are.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Joe, are you telling me that Jews are not typically Semitic? Are Jews not typically Khazar, Ashkenazi, and Sephardim?

To put it bluntly, it is the failure of the Occidental Mind to differentiate between religion and race. I am a Muslim living in Europe and hear people say "That guy looks Muslim!".

Yes, the majority of today's Jews are Ashkenzai, just like the majority of Amish are Germans and Druze are Arabs, but that does not make them a race.

End of story, most Jews are Askhnazi, therefore they are a race. Getting into silly little semantics over "true Jews vs. fake Jews" is irrelvant, incorrect, and a waste of time.

Jews are a race, religion, a culture, a people. It's quote simple.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Where religion doesn't make a Jew Zionist, culture does.

You show me an atheist Jew who would go against the motherland.

Another thing, it is unfair to put "Jews" in the same category as "Catholic" or "German." Hundreds of years ago, it would be fair because races were not religously diluted like they are today and the culture then reinforced the religion.

Today, Jews have maintained that although many Jews have fallen out of Jewish religion, but the strong Jewish culture has kept them Jewish.

This is so bloody simple to understand. I am shocked that so few are seeing it.

[joeblow]

Where religion doesn't make a Jew Zionist, culture does.

You show me an atheist Jew who would go against the motherland.

This is where I strongly disagree with you. Your statement should have been "You show me an atheist Ashkenazi who would go against the motherland.".

Unlike most of these Ashkenazis, I actually am from the Middle-East and hear a lot of news which even most anti-Zionists will not come across. I bet the Western Media never talks about all the non-Ashkenazi Jewish agents that spied against Israel?

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Where religion doesn't make a Jew Zionist, culture does.

You show me an atheist Jew who would go against the motherland.

This is where I strongly disagree with you. Your statement should have been "You show me an atheist Ashkenazi who would go against the motherland.".

Unlike most of these Ashkenazis, I actually am from the Middle-East and hear a lot of news which even most anti-Zionists will not come across. I bet the Western Media never talks about all the non-Ashkenazi Jewish agents that spied against Israel?

Bringing up the Ashkenazis again. Mere semantics Joe. It matters not what kind of Jew a Jew is, but just that he is a Jew.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

If a religious Jew believes that Jews are God in the flesh and an atheist Jew believes the same thing, what is the difference?

There is no difference!

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

John Alan Martinson Jewnjor, ProThink . . .
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A strong WARNING about the desinformation coming from John Alan Martinson Jr, Prothink, Adam Austin (Subverted Nation) and some other people/sites, they are trying to trick you when they are saying that you must refer to the jews like they are a race, first they are not (more about it later), and second and the main point here, when they trick you to define the zionist or the jews as a race then the judicial machinery can INMEDIATELY put you under arrest because then it is "Hate Speech" by law.
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Tab, what an infantile statement. Do you really think that by speaking out against Jews, but just not calling them a race, is going to save you from hate laws?

If they are going to get you, they are going to get you. Semantics will not save you. Stop being such a pussy.

[joeblow]

If a religious Jew believes that Jews are God in the flesh and an atheist Jew believes the same thing, what is the difference?

There is no difference!

They can believe whatever they want, it is written in that shit-stained book the Talmud that the Romans killed billions of Jews, that does not make it true.

Think about it for a second, and ask yourself the question that Ashkenazis always ask themselves. Is it good for Jews (Ashkenazis) that people say our religion is a race? Answer: Yes! That is why the Ashkenazis in Germany were jumping for joy when the German Nationalists started writing pseudo-scientific books on the subject matter.

As a Middle-Easterner, I am really sick and tired of people of European (English) / Turko-Mongolian (Ashkenazi) / African (American Blacks) descent being so desperate to have some sort of direct blood-lineage to the Prophets in the Bible.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Joe, I fail to see the significance of the Ashkenazis and how it is relative to discussion of Jews. Please explain.

[joeblow]

Joe, I fail to see the significance of the Ashkenazis and how it is relative to discussion of Jews. Please explain.

The Ashkenazis, like many converts to Monotheistic religions from the Middle-East, have some sort of deep-seated complex of not having had any direct lineage (whether biological or historical) to the origin of their faith. This is a simple case of Human Nature, the sense of wanting to be a part of something that occurred a long time ago.

When you support this lie (of the millions of the others they tell), you tell them exactly what they want to hear. When I meet Ashkenazis, I always make it a point to remind them that they are not Middle-Easterners like I am. If they really piss me off, I start calling them a bunch of Turko-Mongolian-Slavic Gypsies.