A strong WARNING about the disinformation coming from John Alan Martinson Jr, Prothink & some others

[sirbadman]

Timmy are you a JAm affiliate? Have you met him? Why do you love him so much?

JAM is an a-hole. I liked a lot of his vids back when he was WW3News on youtube, when he started, but then i simply commented on some militia vid he had because it showed these militia guys using a car as "cover" in their training.

Just said that bullets can go through the doors so it was a bad idea using a car for cover. JAM calls me a "keyboard commando", i reply that mythbusters did an episode on it and that was it - no f-ing sorry or admission he was wrong or anything.

The guy has an out of control ego and is too fcking arrogant to ever get a solid group of supporters. But yeah i think he is cointel anyway.

Poor Timmy doesnt want a show on whether jews are a race but he is sure they are a race. Poor Timmy, dont worry another ten comments each day and you will be an "elder" here in no time.

[mgt23]

Tim there are two reasons why im dubious about JAM; one is that i think Cointel is a possibility and it removes my attack on Israel as a Racist state. I base this on proposition 9 of the Global Antisemitism Review Act and my position that Israel bases citizenship on genetic descent and use genetic decent as a definition of race.

On October 16th, President Bush signs into law the Global Anti-Semitism Review Act

This Act defines a person as being anti-Semitic if they purport any of the following beliefs:

1.Any assertion, "that the Jewish community controls government, the media, international business and the financial world."
2.The expression of, "Strong anti-Israel sentiment."
3.Expressing, "Virulent criticism," of Israel's leaders, past or present. The State Department gives an example of this occurring when a swastika is portrayed in a cartoon decrying the behaviour of a past or present Zionist leader.
4.Any criticism of the Jewish religion or its religious leaders or literature with the emphasis on the Talmud and Kabbalah.
5.Any criticism of the United States Government and Congress for being under undue influence by the Jewish-Zionist community, which would include Jewish organisations such as American-Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC).
6.Any criticism of the Jewish-Zionist community for promoting globalism or what some call the, "New World Order."
7.Placing any blame on Jewish leaders and their followers for inciting the Roman crucifixion of Christ.
8.Citing any facts that could in any way diminish the, "six million," figure of holocaust victims.
9.Claiming that Israel is a racist state.
10.Making any claim that there exists a, "Zionist Conspiracy."
11.Offering proof that Jews and their leaders created Communism and the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia.
12.Making, "derogatory statements about Jewish persons."
13.Asserting that spiritually disobedient Jews do not have the biblical right to re-occupy Palestine.
14.Making any allegations of Mossad involvement in the 9/11 attack.

Where as on Travis's point a Zionist could be GOY but be considered Jewish if their soul was jewish. Last time i checked the soul was not in a DNA molecule.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

OK MGT, you continued to evade my question on the alleged differences between Zionism and Judaism.

I am getting tired of these games. I have asked it several times now and you haven't answered, and you and others like you are obsessed with the race thing and dont appear to want to let it go.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Timmy are you a JAm affiliate? Have you met him? Why do you love him so much?

JAM is an a-hole. I liked a lot of his vids back when he was WW3News on youtube, when he started, but then i simply commented on some militia vid he had because it showed these militia guys using a car as "cover" in their training.

Just said that bullets can go through the doors so it was a bad idea using a car for cover. JAM calls me a "keyboard commando", i reply that mythbusters did an episode on it and that was it - no f-ing sorry or admission he was wrong or anything.

The guy has an out of control ego and is too fcking arrogant to ever get a solid group of supporters. But yeah i think he is cointel anyway.

Poor Timmy doesnt want a show on whether jews are a race but he is sure they are a race. Poor Timmy, dont worry another ten comments each day and you will be an "elder" here in no time.

Oh I see, since you can't refute my response to MGT on the Jewishness of Zionism, you have to resort to schoolyard tactics and as always, back to the race card.

You guys are so predictable.

[mgt23]

my offer stands.

[Rockclimber]

Save this for the audio debate guys before it gets to ugly. I think your questions can be properly addressed and answered then.

maybe? maybe?

[mgt23]

no rock it wont wait. choose two cases in the affirmative Tim, I gave you a choice.

[THE AQUARIAN 1]

I believe a question has been posed by Timothy_Fitzpatrick on a few different occasions toward people who discuss his belief that Judaism is a race.  Apparently Timothy has discarded this belief...?

The question is as follows: How does Jewishness differ from Zionism?

I believe Timothy is of the belief that Jewishness is identical to Zionism.  My belief is that it most certainly is not the same thing.  

To begin, if Jews are a race, as I believe Tim believes, than there are many Jews, who have Sephardic/Ashkenazic etc ancestry, who do not support the zionist state of Israel, nor do they support a hypothetical messianic Jewish state either.  This is a fact of life that Timothy needs to come to terms with.  This is a fact because these people do not practice nor do they believe in the Jewish religion, they are only connected to Judaism through ancestry.  There are many Christians who are in this situation.

And then we get to Christian Zionists.  Zionism is positively different from Judaism simply because many Christians support the state of Israel.  One might conclude that the ideology of Zionism sprung from Jewish text, well, so did Christianity and in a basic sense, if you call Zionists Jews, you are excluding Zionist Christians, Muslims, and a slew of other races and religions that support the Zionist state.  So, this is basic logical reasoning that people are having trouble understanding.

Now, I will give Timothy this, anyone who practices the Jewish religion is waiting for a messiah, most likely.  There are very few, if any, branches of Judaism that do not believe a messiah is coming.  So he is pretty much correct in saying that Jews who practice the religion Judaism believe in and support either the current state of Israel or a future state of Israel ordained by God.

Hopefully this can put an end to this silliness.

Yours,

THE AQUARIAN 1

[THE AQUARIAN 1]

Also, Zionism is not completely religious either.  Many people support the State of Israel simply because of the Holocaust.  Zionism has become political, even though it is overtly religious.

Yours,

THE AQUARIAN 1

[mgt23]

Zionist jewish mentality is twin Stranded from obviously Talmud AND Zohar.

Time ref 44:08 Reefeeg The darker of the two is the Zohar with no respect for any humanity. As I claimed they want the GOY exterminated.
http://iamthewitness.com/audio/Muhammad ... 2-2010.mp3
[mp3:2krnnms1]http://iamthewitness.com/audio/Muhammad.Rafeeq/TFC.SMITH.RAFEEQ.03-02-2010.mp3[/mp3:2krnnms1]

Not only are your views on Racism false which you are trying to avoid. But you are also trying to force a view onto me which is not of my making.

I did not say that Zionism did not come from Judaism
post 10

if they worship the talmud then yes we have a problem.

i agree with most of Hoffman but
post31

The end game according to my reading of the Zohar is the total and utter extermination of the goy so that the chosen will inherit the earth and future.

This comes from the Zohar belief that in order for the jewish messiah to arrive there must be a purification of the gentiles(extermination)

So my point is not that Zionism does not come from the Talmud as you are so eager to stuff in my mouth, but that modern Zionism is a synthesis of the two often competing amongst each other within jewish culture. The Zohar being the more severe of the two.

So for instance I agree that the chabad lubavitch is present and is primarily Talmudic and responsible for much of the enforcement of social crime. However the cult of saturn(or Satanists as is commonly mistunderstood") are the ones via I believe the Rothschilds in control of the banking in London. And furthermore I think it is a Germanic Ashkenazi line marrying in the establishment via the Rothschilds that push this. Im still researching this at the moment. So please stop pushing that i deny Zionism coming from Talmud.........what I am saying primarily is that it comes from both the Talmud and the Zohar(and only that)

now are you going to accept my debate offer or not? I grow tired of you a little bit and i want to know now so i have time to prepare my affirmatives and will be ready for a classical format debate.









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[mgt23]

now weirdly JAM seems to have not just that racist edge but an Occult one that the casual listener to venom might miss. So is it a coincidence that Saturn's Symbol was used on the German Rothschild shield? or maybe JAMS involvment with Satanism(as its understood in the vernacular).............

http://www.communitas-saturni.de/Englis ... nosis.html

Saturngnosis


"Saturngnosis" is supposed to be the occult, cosmological concept, recognized and developed by Gregor A. Gregorius. With the doctrine of the aeons and Demiurgs this complex system describes the just beginning Age of Aquarius which is subject to the Law of Thelema. "Saturngnosis" was also the name of an occult periodical which was published within 1928-1930 by Gregor A. Gregorius, in his capacity as Grand Master of the Grand Lodge FRATERNITAS SATURNI. This periodical and the following "Blaetter zur okkulten Lebenskunst" (scripts of the occult art of living) from the years 1950-1954 were dealing with the approaching Thelemic Age on nearly 4000 pages. For this reason only a few important points of this ideology can be considered in this article.

The gnostical doctrine and its history began with Mani (Manicheism) and Zarathustra. The central statement of the Gnosis was and still is that the world is devided into polarities, in brightness and darkness, positive and negative. The creative energy which is the first cause of existence was perfect and consummate. The creators of the universes and ages, the so-called Archonts and Demiurgs emanated from this source.
But then arose a separation of the original, creative energy and so the duality of the world. From this philosophic starting point various doctrines were developed in the course of the centuries, so that today "Gnosis" is a collective name for different kinds of currents. But duality still is a central topic, as well as the question of brightness and darkness. Within the Christian Gnosis, it was always a question of "good" and "evil".

In the following I do not want to consider those Christian categories, but Gnosis within the meaning of knowledge and perception. The opposite of that is Pistis (belief) which the abrahamical religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islamism) require of their followers.

The Saturngnosis implies that man or woman as microcosm is the reflected image of the macrocosm, thus possessing the complete creative potentiality of the universe. This is expressed in the sentence "Every man and every woman is a star". Now it is necessary to evolve this powerful and mighty potentiality within and to find the own true will. This is expressed in the Law of THELEMA which goes: "Do what thou wilt is the whole of the Law! There is no Law but: Do what thou wilt!"
In the past quite a few people were able to recognize and follow that, whereas in the Age of Aquarius exists a collective interest that will enable people to translate the Law of Thelema into action.

The alternative is slavery and suppression by the dying Christian god, whose image has been maintained by the agony of his followers during the last 2000 years. The fading Age of Pisces has been ruled astrologically and/or astrosophically by the spheres of Jupiter and Neptune. But this craft, or in the diction of the Saturngnosis, this Demiurg has come to an end.

The dawning Age of Aquarius is influenced by Saturn and Uranus. Uranus as revolutionary is the symbol for the upheaval of the dogmata and self-made laws. The Demiurg Saturn symbolizes limits as well as the expansion of the human ego and its evolution. Furthermore, Saturn shows the individual path of the ego according to the Law of Thelema. The Saturngnosis also describes that the solar principle, the ego, is an essence of Saturn. To say it metaphorically, the essence of Saturn is the sun, and the essence of the sun is Saturn. This analogy reminds of the symbol of Yin and Yang, each including the contrary principle within. Herewith we came to brightness and darkness which are central gnostical subjects. But the Saturngnosis is about to unite and to rule the principles of duality up to highest standards.

For that reason chelates (students) try to follow the path of the dynamical balance and to wake up all the cosmical qualities, beyond religious and moral dictions as good and evil. The principle of counterpolarity finds its expression in brightness - darkness, sun - Saturn, and the diction of the Black Light. The Law of Thelema means the same in the sentence: "Love is the Law! Love under will! Pitiless love (or love without compassion)." Love means here not only that everything is interlaced, but also the permanent act of creation from dual principles, the union of male and female. In the Greek Qabbala, the number of Thelema is 93, and the Greek word is Agape (love). Qabbalistically the words will and love are cognated. For this reason sexual magic represents the strongest magic concept because ultimately it means to work with the polarities.

Again it is to emphasize that Saturn is attached to the causal principle which means the evolution of the ego towards increasing perfection. Saturn is not meant to be a divinity on abrahamical model, but rather a principle of knowledge and perception in full karmical self responsibility. This principle may help us to liberate from own bounds and may let us become gods or otherwise show us the reflection of our own prison when lacking in maturity.
In the first case we say higher octave of Saturn, and in the last case lower octave of Saturn. The higher octave of Saturn is often called Lucifer, whereas the lower octave is equated with Satan, within the meaning of the Tarot card The Devil (see Tarot by Crowley/Harris). Certainly it is the aim of the saturnic path to recognize one's own divinity and to increase the ego towards perfection by the perception of the true will.

Thus this concept represents the Left-Hand Path. This principle obviously is diametrical to what the abrahamical religions require such as obedience, blind faith and devotion. But regardless of the way of karmic self responsibility the reader will choose, at the end of the aeons everybody will stand before the strict tribunal of Saturn. When the person kindled the flame of Lucifer inside, the threshold of the Abyss to divinity will be crossed. In the other case the person will be a slave of his own and thrown into the Abyss.

The decision is up to you!

Mstr.
Communitas Saturni

 

Nowadays following lodges are dealing with the concept of the Saturngnosis and its evolution:

Grand Lodge COMMUNITAS SATURNI

Grand Lodge FRATERNITAS SATURNI

ORDO SATURNI

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_Saturn

It represents the oldest surviving structure in that area, having been established between 501 and 498 BC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexagram

The six-pointed star is commonly used both as a talisman and for conjuring spirits in the practice of witchcraft. In the Book The History and Practice of Magic, Vol. 2, the six-pointed star is called the talisman of Saturn and it is also referred to as the Seal of Solomon.[4] Details are given in this book on how to make these symbols and the materials to use.

note the german line the Rothschilds married into.......

Dr. John Dee, the court astrologist of Queen Elizabeth I, in his book Hieroglyphic Monad, includes the following quote:

    "'Mahatma Letters,' page 345: 'The double triangle viewed by the Jewish Kabbalists as Solomon's Seal is...the Sri--Antana of the Archaic Aryan Temple, the Mystery of Mysteries, a geometrical synthesis of the whole occult doctrine. The two interlaced triangles are the Buddham-Gums of Creation. They contain the 'squaring of the Circle,' the 'Philosophers' Stone,' the great problems of Life and Death--the mystery of Evil. The Chela who can explain this sign from every one of its aspects is virtually an Adept.'"[5]

The Greater Ritual of the Hexagram Invoking Saturn
http://www.rahoorkhuit.net/library/cere ... aturn.html

http://www.angelfire.com/nm/spiritualwa ... x.683.html

The Universal Kabbalah

author: Leonora Leet, Ph.D.
Inner Traditions
2004
ISBN #089281189-7

At 8/1/2" by 11", and 528 pages, this is no small effort. It does not, however, fall into the area of "coffee table" books, although the presentation carries such taste that it certainly qualifies on that merit alone. It is a major effort to combine numerology, sacred geometry and the teachings of the Kabbalah into a new paradigm. As is my way, I started with the front cover, flipped the book over to read the back cover, and then opened the book to read the back inside flap (I go through books from back to front before reading them). I came to an absolute, shocked standstill - there was a very professionally done photo of Leet, followed by her date of birth ... and date of death. Dr. Leet died unexpectedly before her book came out. I was stunned, and tears came to my eyes. Her picture radiated health, dignity and a sense of peace. How could she be gone!

In his foreword, Julian Ungar-Sargon, M.D., Ph.D., talks a bit about Dr. Leet, and about the fact that she was able to see the final stages of publication of her book before her death. (Dr. Ungar-Sargon was involved with Dr. Leet's work in translating and reviewing Hebrew citations from original material, and researching obscure resources.) Included in the foreword are synopsis of Dr. Leet's previous books on the Kabbalah. I felt that this was a very "nice" thing for him to do ... apropos of laying the groundwork for understanding her current book.

When I got to Dr. Leet's introduction, I realized that his contribution was much, much more than kindness and respect. This truly monumental work was first offered to Inner Traditions "in toto" (three volumes totaling 2,600 pages) in 1994. The sheer volume of material would have been overwhelming for one book, or even for a two volume book. As a result, the material was broken down into more narrowly defined topics, and smaller books published. Material contained in the first three books that helped build the foundation for the final work has been included in this final book.

Dr. Leet received her Doctorate in the field of Literature from Yale University, and, until the time of her death, was a professor of English at St. John's University, specializing in Renaissance English literature. Her previous publications in the field of Kabbalah include Renewing The Covenant (1999), The Secret Doctrine of the Kabbalah (1999), and The Kabbalah of the Soul (2003). Dr. Leet studied the Kabbalah under noted kabbalist Aryeh Kaplan and Zalman Schachter-Salomi, and Pythagorean geometry under Robert Lawler at the Lindisfarne Institute.

In the preface to The Universal Kabbalah, Dr. Leet talks about "stumbling" upon the discovery of the geometric pattern that would become what she named the "Sabbath Star Diagram" in 1978. For the next twenty years, Dr. Leet's work would be based around the sacred geometry of the "Sabbath Star Diagram" (a configuration of seven Star of David hexagrams) and the sacred geometry of the Jewish Kabbalistic "Tree of Life". The "Sabbath Start Diagram" itself holds a very important place in Kabbalistic work, as it is based on both the emanationist cosmology of the earlier Zoharic Kabbalah and the more future oriented leanings of the later Kabbalah of Isaac Luria. Her work would involve the four worlds of classical Kabbalah, extended to include three higher levels of evolving consciousness.

The book is broken down into four sections:

# Part One: Introducing A New Model For The Kabbalah

# Part Two: A New Model For Kabbalistic Cosmology

# Part Three: A New Model For Kabbalistic Soul Psychology

# Part Four: A New Model For The Infinite

Part One focuses on Hebraic and Pythagorean Sacred Science and the Hexagram as an esoteric key to Genesis and the Zohar. Dr. Leet states that on one level, the Sefir Yetzirah (the Tree of Life) describes the process of constructing the cube of infinite space. She also goes into the structure of the Pythagorean Tetractys (an equilateral triangle made up of ten points), and that practicing Kabbalists of medieval Provence and Spain were aware of this symbol. Throughout the book are wonderful presentations of old graphics, such as the Hexagram of Creation on page 17. Filled with readily understood esoteric symbols, this graphic alone is worth a great deal of study. We also see first hand in this section the construction of the "Star of Sabbath" diagram, based on the hexagram. A geometric concept that may be hard to grasp is easily understood when viewed in progression. An interesting comparison is done with the Cordovero Tree of Emanation and the Luria Tree of Return. To see how the Tree of Return fits into the "Star of Sabbath" diagram is incredibly fascinating. Once you see it, the thought is "Why did I not see that before!" Okay - without knowledge of the "Star of Sabbath" diagram, there would have been no cause for even wondering about this - what I am saying here is that when you read this material it is very, very exciting, and you wonder why you haven't thought of things like this yourself! (This being said by a person who has a very hard time understanding mathematics, and has to actually "work" with something to grasp the concept - namely me!) There's more - there is also a schematic of the Menorah within the "Star of Sabbath" diagram.

In Part Two Dr. Leet covers the fourth through the sixth world diagrams, the Sabbatical Model of Redemption, and the Trivalent Logic of the "Star of Sabbath" diagram. Watching the hexagrams build, one upon another, and seeing how they resemble the expanding lotus format just sucks the reader into this gigantic time warp of knowledge. You do not want to put the book down!

In Part Three Dr. Leet covers the fourth world model of the Nefesh Soul, the fifth world model of the Ruach Soul, the sixth world model of the Neshamah Soul, and the world beyond the matrix of these borders.

In Part Four Dr. Leet covers the seventh, eighth and ninth worlds, extrapolating the matrix to infinity, the periodic decimal sequence, the converging decimal sequence, and convergence and the law of complex magnitudes.

There are four extensive appendices at the end of the book:

# Scientific Implications of the Hexagram Matrix

# A systems Model of Sociology

# Systematic Linguistics

# A Gender model of Human History

I found The Universal Kabbalah to be a stunning work done with great integrity, and presented by Inner Traditions in a manner befitting the material, including a wonderful note from the publisher preceding the preface. I have reviewed material for Inner Traditions for over two years now, and have never really had the chance to tell them, or the publicist that I work with, Jody Winters, how much I admire the work that they do. I am going to take this time to do that. I am incredibly impressed with this book, and with Dr. Ungar-Sargon's closing thought: "I looked forward to Leonora Leet's scholarship to come: her bringing to bear on the works of classical English literature her experience with and understanding of the Western esoteric tradition. But it was not to be. She has left that kind of connection for us, her students, to continue." 1

I came to this work through a back door - the study of Tarot, with related studies of numerology, Kabbalah and sacred geometry. I highly recommend this book as a tool of learning, as well as an invaluable resource, to students in all of these areas, as well as students of literature. This is a work that will definitely lead to future studies - it is the culmination of one person's life work, and sets the foundation for the life work of others.

Footnotes:

1. Ibid page XI.

© January 2005
Bonnie Cehovet

[mgt23]

Again JAM's more occult side shares Saturnism.

If you want my opinion who it was that spread Saturnism through the european essoteric court it was not just the sabbateans but earlier with
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view. ... haril#2442

Name of a family of Mayence. The name , which, according to D. Kaufmann ("Der Grabstein des R. Jacob ben Moses ha-Levi," in "Monatsschrift," xlii. 26), is to be read "Molin" rather than "Mölln," is not intended to indicate the place from which Moses came, but is a personal name, as is evidenced by the fact that one of the sons of MaHaRIL is called simply "Molin," after the name of his grandfather. "Molin" is usually considered to be a pet name for "Moses"; the correctness of this theory, however, is doubted by Salfeld ("Martyrologium," p. 406).

Jacob ben Moses Mölln (MaHaRIL):

Rabbi and teacher of Mayence; born about 1365; died in 1427. The fact that he is termed "Maharil," "Mahari Segal," or "Mahari Mölln" has caused much confusion. His father's name being Moses, his own name was really R. Jacob b. Moses ha-Levi. He was a pupil of R. Shalom of Austria, rabbi at Wiener-Neustadt, and won a reputation even in his youth for Talmudic learning and piety, while in problems of ceremonial law his responsa were sought. At Mayence he attracted many pupils, the most noteworthy of whom was Jacob Weil (MaHaRIN; rabbi at Nuremberg, Augsburg, and Erfurt), whose responsa were considered authoritative. Mölln and his teacher were the first two rabbis to bear the title "Morenu," which was at that time applied to scholars in order to put an end to the abuses practised by unauthorized persons in performing marriage ceremonies or in granting divorces (comp. in regard to this point David Gans, "Ẓemaḥ Dawid," ed. Offenbach, 30a, s.v. ).

Mölln lived during the period of the Hussite wars, which brought misery upon the Jews of the Rhine, of Thuringia, and of Bavaria, all of whom appealed to him to intercede with God for them. Accordingly he sent messengers to the neighboring communities (which were in their turn to commission others), urging them to institute a general season of fasting and prayer. The German communities, obeying the call, fasted for seven days (Sept., 1421). Soon afterward the imperial army and the mercenaries mobilized at Saaz, dispersed, and the very soldiers who had threatened the Jews now came to them to beg bread and received food from them (comp. G. Pollak, "Halikot Ḳedem," pp. 79 et seq.; Grätz, "Gesch." 2d ed., viii. 136; Zunz, "S. P." p. 48).

Works.

Jacob Mölln was considered the greatest authority of his time. Communities far and wide sought his advice; and his discourses and responsa, in which he emphasized the importance of tradition, and in general followed Alexander Süsslein ha-Kohen (d. 1349), the author of the "Aguddah" frequently mentioned in the codes, were regarded as authoritative in the congregations and exerted a decisive influence, not only on his contemporaries, but also on later teachers. His death occurred before he could publish his responsa, which he had collected carefully, but a part of them appeared at Venice, 1549, and frequently later. His chief work is the "Sefer ha-Maharil" or "Minhagim," published by his pupil Zalman of St. Goar at the request of his contemporaries. This book is frequently quoted in the codes and commentaries, and has become a valuable source for later scholars. In addition to sermons, regulations of the ceremonial law, and textual comments, it contains a detailed description of religious observances and rites within and without the synagogue, and outlines, therefore, a faithful picture of the life of the German Jews. It was first published, with various additions, at Sabbionetta, in 1556, and frequently later. It exerted great influence on the Jews of central Europe, being largely responsible for the high esteem accorded to religious tradition ("minhag") in the communities. Mölln frowns upon any changes, and demands implicit obedience to the time-honored observances, even in regard to the liturgical melodies and the piyyuṭim (comp. R. Moses Isserles to Oraḥ Ḥayyim, 619). According to tradition he composed most of the synagogal hymns, and his "Minhagim" actually contain many references to the use of certain melodies. A third work, "Bi'urim" to Yoreh De'ah, is extant in manuscript (comp. Wolf, "Bibl. Hebr." i. 604).

Bibliography: Grätz, Gesch. 2d ed., viii. 136;
Winter and Wünsche, Die Jüdische Litteratur, ii. 498 et seq., 661 et seq., iii. 515;
Güdemann, Gesch. iii. 17, 111;
Or ha-Ḥayyim, Frankfort-on-the-Main, 1891, pp. 497 et seq.S. E. N.

Moses ben Jekuthiel ha-Levi Mölln:

Rabbi in Mayence in the second half of the fourteenth century. In two ordinances concerning the administration of the three communities, Speyer, Worms, and Mayence ("Taḳḳanot ShUM"), dated respectively 1381 and 1386, his signature appears first (see Moses Minz, Responsa, ed. Lemberg, 1851, p. 11b; Neubauer, "Cat. Bodl. Hebr. MSS." No. 820). A responsum of his, dated 1369, is preserved among the responsa of his son MaHaRIL (ed. Hanau, 1610, No. 233), who succeeded him in the rabbinate of Mayence.

Of Mölln's other children are known by name: Jekuthiel, Simon, Gumprecht, and two daughters, Simḥah and Bonlin or Bonchin.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Abramelin

The later English translation by Georg Dehn and Steven Guth, based on the earliest and most complete sources, is more scholarly and comprehensive. Dehn attributed authorship of The Book of Abramelin to Rabbi Yaakov Moelin (Hebrew יעקב בן משה מולין; ca. 1365–1427), a German Jewish Talmudist.

The German esoteric scholar Georg Dehn has argued that the author of The Book of Abramelin was Rabbi Yaakov Moelin (Hebrew יעקב בן משה מולין; ca. 1365–1427), a German Jewish Talmudist and posek (authority on Jewish law). (ref Georg Dehn, The Book of Abramelin: A New Translation, transl. by Steven Guth, Ibis Publishing, 2006)

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Also, Zionism is not completely religious either.  Many people support the State of Israel simply because of the Holocaust.  Zionism has become political, even though it is overtly religious.

Yours,

THE AQUARIAN 1

Wrong again Shlomo, the Holocaust is religious too. If you knew anything, you would know that the 6-million figure comes from Jewish prophecy, not from statistics.

Zionism is positively different from Judaism simply because many Christians support the state of Israel.

Hmmm, you are trying to compare apples with apples using pears. Very strange reasoning. Wait a minute, it's not reasoned.

One might conclude that the ideology of Zionism sprung from Jewish text, well, so did Christianity and in a basic sense

Funny that you find the need to bring up Christianity to avoid the obvious. I guess I need to start quoting the Torah showing where Zionism comes from.

There are very few, if any, branches of Judaism that do not believe a messiah is coming

Not true, Judaism is not predominately Messianic. The Chassidics for example, believe that Jews themselves are the Messiah.

[THE AQUARIAN 1]

I'm well aware that the holocaust is a hebrew term meaning 'burnt offering.'  Well aware.  

If you knew anything, ahem, you would know that most people who view the holocaust do not view it the way Jews do.  The killing of 6 million people is a moral issue for people, one that must be rectified, hence politics.

The Holocaust is the "problem, reaction, solution" event to create the State of Israel.  Most people who support Israel support it because they believe six million people were killed, period.  Whether they know it's from Jewish prophecy or not.  You're point is understood but it has no relevancy here.

And please, show me the Jewish prophecy of six million.

Yours,

THE AQUARIAN 1

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

most people who view the holocaust do not view it the way Jews do.  The killing of 6 million people is a moral issue for people, one that must be rectified, hence politics.

THE AQUARIAN 1

Again, how does Judaism going political separate it from its religious roots?

Listen, if we are going to debate honestly, you need to stop bringing up third parties (Christianity) or I refuse to waste anymore time discussing this with you.

[THE AQUARIAN 1]

Judaism is not Zionism.

[THE AQUARIAN 1]

I bring up Christianity because these are people who support Zionism and are not Jewish, but they're still Zionists.  That's the only reason.  If you can't handle that, then maybe I shouldn't be wasting my time either.

You have stated opinions and then retracted them on multiple occasions.

What is it that you are trying to bring to the table today?

Yours,

THE AQUARIAN 1

[THE AQUARIAN 1]

And just a tidbit to JAM and others who ask "show me one Jew who has exposed fellow Jews."  Is this really a question?  There are many Jews, that JAM knows about, who have exposed Jewish evils.

Jack Bernstein
Christopher Jon Bjerknes
Myron Fagan
Stanley Kubrick
Benjamin Freedman
Even Spielberg does with Munich.

I think that argument is ridiculous.

Yours,

THE AQUARIAN 1

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

I bring up Christianity because these are people who support Zionism and are not Jewish, but they're still Zionists.  That's the only reason.  If you can't handle that, then maybe I shouldn't be wasting my time either.

You have stated opinions and then retracted them on multiple occasions.

What is it that you are trying to bring to the table today?

Yours,

THE AQUARIAN 1

Great, anything but naming the main supporters of Zionism, Jews. Anything to avoid naming the Jew, eh Aquarian?

Most Zionists are Jewish, some are Christian. We are debating Jews, not Christians, so stay on topic Aquarian.


You asked about Jewish prophecy concerning the "Holocaust"

In Rabbi Blech's book, The Secrets of Hebrew Words, we have found
our astounding discovery as to exactly how, where, and why the number of Jews
holocausted in Germany between 1933-1945 has to be 6 million . . . and not one
more or less. Blech demonstrates by Kabbalah that due to a pregnant, neveryet-
noticed fault in grammar in the Hebrew scripture, the missing 6 million had
all along been predicted or prophesied by that deliberate error in the scriptures.
He shows you where in the sentence from Leviticus 25:10: "and you shall return
every man to his own possession . .." that the Hebrew word for TaShuVu is
spelled incorrectly and lacks a vav, , which in numerical equivalence is 6.
And since millennia are ignored but assumed when the Jew consults his
calendar, the year 5708, or 1948 on the Christian calendar, was exactly the year
the State of Israel was founded IF you take into account the all-important
missing vav, or 6 (with the added millennia according to calendar usage). This
contorted logic proves to Rabbi Blech that God deliberately misspelled that part
of scripture to account for the missing 6 million people. Note, however, in his
logic that the year 708, or the sum total of the letters in the phrase "you shall
return," is the exact date of the founding of the State of Israel in 1948. If the
phrase had not been incorrectly spelled, by missing 6, it would not have been the
exact date or it would have been incorrectly prophesied. Since God never errs,
He deliberately spelled it incorrectly without the vav, or 6, to show that 6 would
be missing on that date. But how Blech transmutes the missing 6 to 6 years to
the 6 million persons escapes me. Because this prophecy came true, so Blech
firmly hopes that the Prophets are also correct concerning the Final Redemption.

Excerpt from The Holocaust Dogma of Judaism - Ben Weintraub

And just a tidbit to JAM and others who ask "show me one Jew who has exposed fellow Jews." Is this really a question? There are many Jews, that JAM knows about, who have exposed Jewish evils.

Jack Bernstein
Christopher Jon Bjerknes
Myron Fagan
Stanley Kubrick
Benjamin Freedman
Even Spielberg does with Munich.

You are putting words into the mouth of JAM and myself. Noone ever said SHOW ME ONE...Of course there are some that exposed the Jews. But very few.

I believe you are referring to JAM's short video "Where are the Good Jews" in which he simply says, where are these supposed Jews who speak out against the evils of Zionism. Obviously JAM knows the works of the likes of Benjmain Freedman and Jack Bernstein. But where are they in large numbers? Nowhere.
Stop misquoting people Aquarian.

Man, are you snakey.

[THE AQUARIAN 1]

Umm, no.  Zionism is obviously rooted in Judaism.  No one is arguing that.  Everyone knows the Rothschilds are Jews, the Warburgs are Jews, everyone knows this.  It's not anything revolutionary to say that rich Jews are the main supporters of Israel.  Stamp a big fat "NO SHIT" on your forehead.

Yours,

THE AQUARIAN 1

[THE AQUARIAN 1]

You keep posting and then revising your posts.  Which is congruent with how you present your opinions, in opposing pieces.

     

I just watched the JAM video posted on this website where he says "show me the Jew that..."

[THE AQUARIAN 1]

That holocaust prophecy is quite the stretch...

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

You keep posting and then revising your posts.  Which is congruent with how you present your opinions, in opposing pieces.

     

I just watched the JAM video posted on this website where he says "show me the Jew that..."

He doesnt say "Show me ONE."

You twisted his words to make it seem like he doesn't believe even one Jew has spoken out.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

That holocaust prophecy is quite the stretch...

Yeah, I figured that quotation would be a little difficult for you to grasp, but I tried.

[THE AQUARIAN 1]

It's not hard to grasp.  It's just not a prophecy.

[mgt23]

Zionism is obviously rooted in Judaism. No one is arguing that.

my point par previous post.....

Stamp a big fat "NO SHIT" on your forehead.

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:

The real issue is race which is why he wont discuss it and presents his views.....

in opposing pieces.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Judaism is not Zionism.

Keep saying that. It may just come true if you say it 6 million more times.

[THE AQUARIAN 1]

"There are no Jews speaking out against..."

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

The real issue is race which is why he wont discuss it and presents his views.....

in opposing pieces.

Oh, right on cue MGT. Throw the discussion of Zionism off with mindless nonsense about race.

[mgt23]

Keep saying that. It may just come true if you say it 6 million more times.

Swallow your own advice in your claim that jews are a race.