Caroline Yeager VS Charles Giuliani

[checkitb4uwreckit]

LOL Gordzilla is still too afraid to quote me and has regurgitated the same garbage for the 50th time over again. You have been debunked and discredited the world over.

in your mind only.

Everyone can see that when you respond you refuse to quote me because you are scared that your pitiful responses to my logic will make you look even dumber than you already look.

And if you read my last post to you I demonstrated, yet again, you still can't know. Have any more sites? That one failed.

No that site didn't fail. You fail and will continue to fail. And you cannot define nothing because you are defining something by defining nothingness. Fail.

Which blatantly still proves that you are a hypocrite.

I've proven you to be a hypocrite countless times in this thread. Simply by being a Christian defending blind faith and then asking for proof for other things is hypocritical. CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT MORON?

So one more time for you MSMD; if you can't disprove it, than you can't know, if you can't know then with every insult you throw you prove to be more and more of a hypocrite.

You can't disprove that I can't fly. So are you saying you can't know that I can't fly and that since you can't know that I can't fly there is a good probability that I can fly? That is equivalent to what you're saying. Pure idiocy.

"afraid" pfft, no more than you are, apparently, of showing us how you know -without any doubt- that there is no creator. You have not been able to do this yet. (I'll keep reposting the same un-debunked argument for as long as I need to until you either STFU or actually debunk it proving once and for all that there is no creator.)

I have shown without any doubt that everything you claim about this god you believe in is nonsensical, ridiculous, outrageous, absurd, physically impossible, contradictory and downright mentally ill. You are essentially saying that because I cannot debunk that you can't fly (because you can't prove a negative), then that is enough evidence for someone to have faith that you can fly.

ROFLMFAO!

[checkitb4uwreckit]

You must be a puny little shit in real life.

Actually I work out daily, tough guy.  

Plenty of nerds at the gym I go to.

You must be the coolest nerd on the block.  

[Moe Foe]

I know you're a brain-dead Catholic who helps immigrants over-run Europe while claiming to oppose Jews at the same time.  .

My being a Catholic has no bearing on any political position I hold.  All there is is hot-air from you.  

But I'm the hypocrite?  

Yes you are.  Absolutely.  Unless you have split-personalities or have some kind condition where you post in your sleep. Instead of attacking strawmen and abusing people and just generally having an ego-wank here why don't you try to maturely explain your Saul-like conversion...?

If you can refute what I say about your idiotic religion then let's see you do it. Since you haven't even tried yet, I must assume victory. Now get an argument  or fuck off.

"Assume victory"?  In what?  I just pointed out your a hypocrite.  I was actually interested in this thread until the interventions.  Is that your game?  Or you purposely trying to draw attention away from Giulliani or Yeager for some reason?

[GordZilla]

"Everyone can see that when you respond you refuse to quote me because you are scared that your pitiful responses to my logic will make you look even dumber than you already look."

no, it's because I did address them however you didn't like that answer. However without disproving there's a creator, you are still stuck with it.

"No that site didn't fail. You fail and will continue to fail. And you cannot define nothing because you are defining something by defining nothingness. Fail."

Keep, telling yourself that. But metal plates,  particles and anti-particles, and 'space' itself are not nothing. Nothings is the absence of everything. I broke down -quite accurately- just how that site failed, and even the fact that they even admitted as much. Good try though. No surprise at all that that peice was written by a man named Ethan Siegel.  

"I've proven you to be a hypocrite countless times in this thread. Simply by being a Christian defending blind faith and then asking for proof for other things is hypocritical. CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT MORON?"

'Countless times', but not once proving there is no creator, which you will have to do first to give yourself licence to proclaim it, and insult others who happen to beleive there is. You have never proved your assertion yet continue to insult others if they happen to believe. Hypocrite, you can't know better. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YET MORON?

"You can't disprove that I can't fly. So are you saying you can't know that I can't fly and that since you can't know that I can't fly there is a good probability that I can fly? That is equivalent to what you're saying. Pure idiocy."

Lol, I didn't try nor claim it; remember this; "Asking you to prove a negative? Yes I suppose I am but only because it is you that insists you know there is no creator..." YOU made the claim, the onus is on you. And to add to that it is you who continues to insult others even though you cannot know yourself. Again; hypocrite.

"I have shown without any doubt that everything you claim about this god you believe in is nonsensical, ridiculous, outrageous, absurd, physically impossible, contradictory and downright mentally ill. You are essentially saying that because I cannot debunk that you can't fly (because you can't prove a negative), then that is enough evidence for someone to have faith that you can fly."

Ah, no you haven't. And again the onus is on you. YOU are the one who pisses and shits on everyone who claims to have faith in a creator when it is YOU who cannot prove this negative. Bad choice perhaps, and that's fine, if you can't prove the negative then you cannot prove the positive, which in your case is the proclamation you made before; that there's no creator.  I have shown, again without being debunked by you nor that website you provided, the very necessity of something supernatural to have made the first move to kick start the big bang.  If supernatural, as science itself dictates, then just what is it limited to? How can either you or I claim to know all about it? But yet there it is, and here we are. The Big bang 'started'. Nothing still comes from nothing (despite your best effort, a mason jar full of a vacuum -which is essentially what we have before the big bang - will never turn into something - over billions of years if you like - inside that vacuum will remain nothing. - oh right unless you introduce metal plates, or particles or energy,  then you just might create something out of nothing )

Still waiting....

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

An old story...from one of the original "A"s:


An early engraving of philosopher Spinoza, captioned in Latin, "A Jew and an Atheist".

Spinoza's "God or Nature" [Deus sive Natura] provided a living, natural God, in contrast to the Newtonian mechanical "First Cause" or the dead mechanism of the French "Man Machine." Coleridge and Shelley saw in Spinoza's philosophy a religion of nature[1] and called him the "God-intoxicated Man." Spinoza inspired the poet Shelley to write his essay "The Necessity of Atheism."

Spinoza was considered to be an atheist because he used the word "God" [Deus] to signify a concept that was different from that of traditional Judeo–Christian monotheism. "Spinoza expressly denies personality and consciousness to God; he has neither intelligence, feeling, nor will; he does not act according to purpose, but everything follows necessarily from his nature, according to law...."Thus, Spinoza's cool, indifferent God  is the antithesis to the concept of an anthropomorphic, fatherly God who cares about humanity.

.........

"As a love of truth is the only motive which actuates the Author of this little tract, he earnestly entreats that those of his readers who may discover any deficiency in his reasoning, or may be in possession of proofs which his mind could never obtain, would offer them, together with their objections to the Public, as briefly, as methodically, as plainly as he has taken the liberty of doing."

    — Percy Bysshe Shelley, The Necessity of Atheism

Shelley made a number of claims in Necessity, including that one's beliefs are involuntary, and, therefore, that atheists do not choose to be so and should not be persecuted. Towards the end of the pamphlet he writes: "the mind cannot believe in the existence of a God." Shelley signed the pamphlet, Thro' deficiency of proof, AN ATHEIST, which gives an idea of the empiricist nature of Shelley's beliefs. According to Berman, Shelley also believed himself to have "refuted all the possible types of arguments for God's existence," but Shelley himself encouraged readers to offer proofs if they only possess them.

Opinion is divided upon the characterization of Shelley's beliefs, as presented in Necessity. Shelley scholar Carlos Baker states that "the title of his college pamphlet should have been The Necessity of Agnosticism rather than The Necessity of Atheism," while historian David Berman argues that Shelley was an atheist, both because he characterized himself as such, and because "he denies the existence of God in both published works and private letters" during the same period.

A revised and expanded version was printed in 1813.

[Anonymous]

Ognir,

This board is infiltrated worse than a rotting moldy house infested with cock roaches.

ZS

[Moe Foe]

Ognir,

This board is infiltrated worse than a rotting moldy house infested with cock roaches.

ZS

In fairness it was you who kicked off all this bad blood.

[checkitb4uwreckit]

Gordzilla, prove there are not invisible leprechauns in my shoes.

p.s. You're retarded, a clown and a bullshit artist.

You've attempted to pass off some astonishing bullshit as fact in this thread. Your arguments are worse than a holocaustian trying to defend the claim that 6,000,000 Jews died in the holohoax. You're worthless.

[Anonymous]

Ognir,

This board is infiltrated worse than a rotting moldy house infested with cock roaches.

ZS

In fairness it was you who kicked off all this bad blood.

But this is how it goes all the time no matter the subject.  No one is focusing on the one and only thing they should be. Thats the point.

ZS

[Moe Foe]

An old story...from one of the original "A"s:


An early engraving of philosopher Spinoza, captioned in Latin, "A Jew and an Atheist".

That's a good example.  It goes without saying that atheism/agnosticism can exist without any form of Jewish influence but as a movement they've been all over militant atheism which tiptoes around Judaism, is indifferent to Buddhism and actively villifies Christianity and more recently Islam.  Sam Harris, Jewish, is a perfect example of this.  He hypothetically advocates a pre-emptive nuclear strike on any Islamist nation (read Iran) that gets nuclear armed.  There is only one tribe in the US that wants war with Iran, nevermind killing hundreds of thousands in Hiroshima III, not even the US army wants war.  So I have my suspicions where his shekels are coming from.

I think anyone who thinks that Christianity has always been a tool of Jews is a fool I think.  It may have been co-opted or infiltrated to a greater or lesser degree at different stages throughout history and to be perfectly honest I have no idea of the situation currently but the notion that Judaism = Christianity can be rubbished without even scratching the surface.  That is if you accept that Bolshevism was a Jewish construct, as I do and that Masonry is a Jewish construct, as I do.

Masons, Jews and Jewish-masons were behind the overthrow of the Catholic monarchies in Europe.  Pope Leo XIII essentially declared war on masonry in his encyclical Humanus Genus in the 1890s http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanum_Genus.  Alta Vendita was a secret document published by Italian masons around the same time which was discovered, it detailed masonic plans to infiltrate the Catholic Church and take it down from the inside.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alta_Vendita

This article is another good example http://www.catholicnews.com/data/storie ... 100135.htm  It details the war between the Soviets and the Vatican.

If this doesn't sound like A J-plot I don't know what does,

In 1983, Weigel recounted, the Polish security police even decided to blackmail Pope John Paul. The instrument chosen was a fake diary said to have been written by a deceased female employee of the Archdiocese of Krakow, in which the diarist reported she had been the future pope's lover. The plot fell apart when one of the conspirators, after successfully planting the diary in the home of a Krakow priest, got drunk, crashed his car and blabbed to police about what he'd just done.

[Moe Foe]

Ognir,

This board is infiltrated worse than a rotting moldy house infested with cock roaches.

ZS

In fairness it was you who kicked off all this bad blood.

But this is how it goes all the time no matter the subject.  No one is focusing on the one and only thing they should be. Thats the point.

ZS

I dunno, the hydra has many heads.  Things are not always black-white, tunnel vison is ill-advised. If you focus to keenly on a a single point then you miss seeing everything else in the peripherary.

[Moe Foe]

[
Me and prothink were having a good laugh about this clown. This douchebag claims that anyone and everyone who talks about israeli involvement in 911 rips off his work. He claims Missing Links did too, and actually accused prothink of swiping William Pierce's "Who Rules America" piece and using it in the missing links script which is complete b.s. I've conversed with this tard and he doesn't even know what he's claiming anymore. He teamed up with a Jew named Bob Tuskin to slander me and prothink because he wants all the glory for Israel/911 research. Dawstein is probably the most arrogant clown one earth who is still blaming "neocons" for things instead of naming the Jews behind these agendas. On skype he was actually trying to blame 'Russians' and 'Americans' for the holohoax lies, instead of the Jews who invented that crap. The man is an apologist for jews. So I can see why you would be supporting him.


all my work can be found here: http://zioncrimefactory.com/

Let's see you match that Moe Fart.

Who said I support him?  If anything you do! War by deception is linked to on your own blog.   For what it's worth I don't see him as an apologist for Jews, but doesn't play pin the tail on the Jew. I don't know  too much about him but I did watch War by way of deception, and it is without a doubt the best 9/11 film I've seen and he does name names, lot's of them.

Was Delaney's BFF Hufschill on the conference call too?  That'd be a reality show I'd watch.  The supremacist, the Jew shill   and the angry monkey.

Judt to add in and to be fair I'm not saying you have actually stolen anyone's work.

[checkitb4uwreckit]

Masons, Jews and Jewish-masons were behind the overthrow of the Catholic monarchies in Europe.

And what's the central tenet of Freemasonry?

    "MONOTHEISM is the sole dogma of Freemasonry. Belief in one God is required of every initiate..."

    "By definition, Freemasonry is a fraternal organization, religious in character, based on the principle of the Fatherhood of God..."

    "The essential qualification for membership is a belief in a Supreme Being"

The kooks in this thread would fit right in with the Judeo Mason swine.

[Moe Foe]

Masons, Jews and Jewish-masons were behind the overthrow of the Catholic monarchies in Europe.

And what's the central tenet of Freemasonry?

    "MONOTHEISM is the sole dogma of Freemasonry. Belief in one God is required of every initiate..."

    "By definition, Freemasonry is a fraternal organization, religious in character, based on the principle of the Fatherhood of God..."

    "The essential qualification for membership is a belief in a Supreme Being"

The kooks in this thread would fit right in with the Judeo Mason swine.

Perhaps you could drop the insults?  Doesn't help anything. Anyway, you need to do your reading on the subject.  It was Grand Lodge Freemasonry that was behind the French Revolution.  It requires no belief in any god or architect or leprachauns in the sky i.e. atheists are welcome with open arms.

Otherwise you've ignored the most salient points - why would masonry and Bolshevism, both of which I assume we can agree were and are Jewish constructs actively try to infiltrate that which they already control  - The Catholic Church?

("grand lodge" should be "grand orient" above)

[Anonymous]

I dunno, the hydra has many heads.  Things are not always black-white, tunnel vison is ill-advised. If you focus to keenly on a a single point then you miss seeing everything else in the peripherary.

Are you f'in kidding me?

Thats like spending a decade wallowing on the fine details of 911. All we really needed to know was who actually did it.

The fine details of how they did it have been used at great length to distract from the who.  

The why is self evident when you define the who in this case.

Done.

We know who the culprit are. We know their stated goals. The EVIDENCE is overwhelming. WTF more do you want to go in circles about ??
Taking these people out of the equation is the only thing you should be focusing on at this point.

If that doesn't make perfect sense your heads not working correctly any longer. Or, your distracting on purpose.

You are completely incorrect. IT IS BLACK & WITHE AT THIS POINT.

Thanks for the TOTAL BULLSHIT advise though.

ZS

[Moe Foe]

:lol:  Yeah it was total bullshit to be fair.  I sounded like Mr Miyagi.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

You must be a puny little shit in real life.

Actually I work out daily, tough guy.  

Even if you're not the puny little bastard you appear to be on the outside, you certainly are a puny little shit on the inside. Just going to listen to your whiny-nerdy voice on the truth hertz show.

[checkitb4uwreckit]

I bet you're a wrinkly 65 year old geezer Titzpatrick. That's why you cling so desperately to your Christ-cult.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

I bet you're a wrinkly 65 year old geezer Titzpatrick. That's why you cling so desperately to your Christ-cult.

I'm not much older than you actually. And I heard your nerdy little voice on the Truth Hertz show; sounds more like you're 15 than 21. You must have been trembling at the knees talking to your cult leader Giuliani.

[checkitb4uwreckit]

That the best insult you can conjure Queerspatrick? Guess which show I heard your queer ass on? Oh, that's right, NOWHERE. Because nobody gives a damn what you have to say and, nobody even knows who you are since you haven't done a thing. Oh you run a pointless little blog where you post hollywood gossips. What a champ! :clap:

"not much older" means like 20 years older right Fagzpatrick? You're too scared to state your age because you are a wrinkly old geezer who's ashamed that it took him decades to figure out what I did in a few short years. No one in their twenties would be as fanatical about Christ-cultianity as you are.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

That the best insult you can conjure Queerspatrick? Guess which show I heard your queer ass on? Oh, that's right, NOWHERE. Because nobody gives a damn what you have to say and, nobody even knows who you are since you haven't done a thing. Oh you run a pointless little blog where you post hollywood gossips. What a champ! :clap:

"not much older" means like 20 years older right Fagzpatrick? You're too scared to state your age because you are a wrinkly old geezer who's ashamed that it took him decades to figure out what I did in a few short years. No one in their twenties would be as fanatical about Christ-cultianity as you are.

Been on plenty of shows. You are too busy being enamoured with yourself to notice. It's not surprising, when you have a little man who moves up from his mother's basement to suddenly being spotlighted on pseudo-anti-Zionist talk shows, he suddenly feels big for once in his life. Still in my 20s, like you, Shlomo. And there are others on this board who are in their twenties, too. If you could pull away from your ego for 5 minutes, you might take notice.

Tell me something, did you grow up without a father?

[checkitb4uwreckit]

Sure you are tough guy. That's why you can't state exactly what age you are.

And which shows were you on (calling in doesn't count)? You have no work so why would anyone invite you on their show? There would be nothing to discuss.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

Sure you are tough guy. That's why you can't state exactly what age you are.

And which shows were you on besides as a caller? You have no work so why would anyone invite you on their show? There would be nothing to discuss.

Your work? It's just rehashed form others' research—you admit that yourself on Giuliani's show. And all you are doing is basically preaching to the choir. Who do you think Giuliani's audience is? Average Americans? Not a chance.

I have no problem with your various blogs and monikers. I have a problem with your unprofessional, unacademic character and your incessant condescending attitude. I actually became aware of the conspiracy when I was 17, shortly after I learned the truth about Waco. So, don't think you are the only young man to be woken up. The best thing you can do right now, MSMD, to earn our respect is to humble yourself. Until that happens, you are just going to come off as a pompous punk. You can blog all the information in the world, it won't get my respect. Because as you are right now, you are not likeable, regardless of your nihilism. Perhaps if you had a father figure in your life to show you the way, you wouldn't be the way you are.

[checkitb4uwreckit]

Sure you are tough guy. That's why you can't state exactly what age you are.

And which shows were you on besides as a caller? You have no work so why would anyone invite you on their show? There would be nothing to discuss.

Your work? It's just rehashed form others' research—you admit that yourself on Giuliani's show. And all you are doing is basically preaching to the choir. Who do you think Giuliani's audience is? Average Americans? Not a chance.

Typical claim from someone who has no work.

Videos, articles, time lines, I've covered all the topics: http://zioncrimefactory.com/ (I heard from Fredrick Toben recently. He likes my website.)

The most you've done is post other people's work on torrents. Pretty sly how you accuse me of ripping others work when that's precisely what you do without offering anything of your own. That's called Psychological Projection, and Jews are masters at it.

I have no problem with your various blogs and monikers. I have a problem with your unprofessional, unacademic character and your incessant condescending attitude. I actually became aware of the conspiracy when I was 17, shortly after I learned the truth about Waco. So, don't think you are the only young man to be woken up. The best thing you can do right now, MSMD, to earn our respect is to humble yourself. Until that happens, you are just going to come off as a pompous punk. You can blog all the information in the world, it won't get my respect. Because as you are right now, you are not likeable.

Why would I want to earn your respect? I could care less what you think. And I am pretty humble. The only time I'm not is when I'm responding to attacks from clowns like you who have put so much less effort than me in terms of exposing the truth despite being decades older than me. Not surprising that you have to resort to lies and blatant distortions every time you take a stab at me.

[Moe Foe]

MSMD perhpaps you could reel in your ego for a second? you've ignored this point twice now:

Otherwise you've ignored the most salient points - why would masonry and Bolshevism, both of which I assume we can agree were and are Jewish constructs actively try to infiltrate that which they already control - The Catholic Church?"

I'd add in the coverage of the clerical abuse scandals by the Jewish press as well vs reportage of Rabbis for the same reasons.  You even had Vatican officials calling out the "Zionist media".