Shaman Said

[Ognir]

Sullie it's this new movement (Axizz, LaV)

[LatinAmericanview]

The claim is made that the great wall of China is over 2000 years old. However, Evidence for the existence of the wall does not become readily available until the 1950's. So there seems to be a great gap. The Roman Empire seems to be a rather recent development. Various researchers put the date at roughly 1325AD.

Perhaps they had some utterly laborious but accurate methods learned from the Etruscans that we are not aware of?

This seems reasonable but rather naive because we are searching for things to fit to our established chronology. Science does not work that way.

Real History may not be knowable at least not by us. I only suggest that somethings are obvious fabrications and as such should be discounted. For example the official 911fairy tale,the man on the moon,Genghis Khan and the golden horde, and the holocaust.

Lastly, Azzix did not comment on this thread and therefore does not need to be dragged under the bus with me.

[Anonymous]

Latin

Good to see you bro.

I actually have several people helping me locate pre 1950 photo's of the great wall.

we actually found 1 from 1940's so I let the evidence speak for itself.

What they are saying if I am correct is that the idea of a great wall has been around in literature for the past 200 years or so, and there may be fortifications that existed previously from medieval times, but not a complete wall until the communists built it in 1950's. and even that is questionable

here is the 1940's photo of the great wall

[ShamanSaid]

LatinAmericanview Joined: Wed Apr 23, 2008
JohnSavage            Joined: Thu  Apr 24, 2008

Funny how little details like this, but when you get two idiots getting each others back on some ridiculous Team JEW nonsense propaganda... well, draw your own conclusions.

[LatinAmericanview]

I have done some 20 hours of shows and some 500 posts. And Savage has done 28 shows plus 685 posts. And I have to take this from a person with 54 posts.

Shaman Logic

Don't know anything about what you're talking about but I believe he was right - specifically it's about the Amanita Muscaria mushroom. Was the guy's name Donald Teeter by any chance?

How valuable is this opinion? Does not know and yet believes that he was right!

People can disagree. This does not mean that they are Jew AGENTS.

[ShamanSaid]

Typical Jew tactic, taking a quote out of context for a classic strawman ad hominem attack - Jew troll wingman.

[Anonymous]

LatinAmericanview Joined: Wed Apr 23, 2008
JohnSavage            Joined: Thu  Apr 24, 2008

Funny how little details like this, but when you get two idiots getting each others back on some ridiculous Team JEW nonsense propaganda... well, draw your own conclusions.

You throw accusations about like a kid shooting spit balls on the ceiling hoping some will stick. I will discuss anything that I present with you in a reasonable and logical manner without resorting to defamation or name calling. If you have proof that I am some sort of Jew agent or what not present it. If you have proof that the information I am discussing is Jew disinfo prove it.

show me the proof!

thanks

p.s. It is funny that Latin and I joined around the same time. thanks for pointing that out, It's kind of cool in a way.

[Ognir]

LOL Savage & LaV jew agents, funny but hardly likely

[ShamanSaid]

Well I see how they might seem like just like a couple of empty babblers but... examine the following and then examine their posts carefully and I think you might see a pattern - I've looked carefully at Savages uploads and posts and I stand by my conclusion along with his Latin Jew wingman..

Copied from that other forum. Now more relevant than ever. Please report anyone who is using this against us. One warning and they'll be banned after that.

COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum..

There are several techniques for the control and manipulation of a internet forum no matter what, or who is on it. We will go over each technique and demonstrate that only a minimal number of operatives can be used to eventually and effectively gain a control of a 'uncontrolled forum.'

Technique #1 - 'FORUM SLIDING'

If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum - it can be quickly removed from public view by 'forum sliding.' In this technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to 'age.' Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon at will to trigger a 'forum slide.' The second requirement is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called upon, to ensure that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a 'forum slide' and 'flush' the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of logging into each account both real and fake and then 'replying' to prepositined postings with a simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting 'slides' down the front page, and quickly out of public view. Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the readers of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.

Technique #2 - 'CONSENSUS CRACKING'

A second highly effective technique (which you can see in operation all the time at http://www.abovetopsecret.com) is 'consensus cracking.' To develop a consensus crack, the following technique is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks legitimate and is towards the truth is made - but the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof to back the posting. Once this is done then under alternative fake accounts a very strong position in your favour is slowly introduced over the life of the posting. It is IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made the stronger 'evidence' or disinformation in your favour is slowly 'seeded in.' Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting will be most likely dropped. However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then 'abort' the consensus cracking by initiating a 'forum slide.'

Technique #3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION'

Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a 'gossip mode.' In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to 'drive in the wedge.' By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.

Technique #4 - 'INFORMATION COLLECTION'

Information collection is also a very effective method to determine the psychological level of the forum members, and to gather intelligence that can be used against them. In this technique in a light and positive environment a 'show you mine so me yours' posting is initiated. From the number of replies and the answers that are provided much statistical information can be gathered. An example is to post your 'favourite weapon' and then encourage other members of the forum to showcase what they have. In this matter it can be determined by reverse proration what percentage of the forum community owns a firearm, and or a illegal weapon. This same method can be used by posing as one of the form members and posting your favourite 'technique of operation.' From the replies various methods that the group utilizes can be studied and effective methods developed to stop them from their activities.

Technique #5 - 'ANGER TROLLING'

Statistically, there is always a percentage of the forum posters who are more inclined to violence. In order to determine who these individuals are, it is a requirement to present a image to the forum to deliberately incite a strong psychological reaction. From this the most violent in the group can be effectively singled out for reverse IP location and possibly local enforcement tracking. To accomplish this only requires posting a link to a video depicting a local police officer massively abusing his power against a very innocent individual. Statistically of the million or so police officers in America there is always one or two being caught abusing there powers and the taping of the activity can be then used for intelligence gathering purposes - without the requirement to 'stage' a fake abuse video. This method is extremely effective, and the more so the more abusive the video can be made to look. Sometimes it is useful to 'lead' the forum by replying to your own posting with your own statement of violent intent, and that you 'do not care what the authorities think!!' inflammation. By doing this and showing no fear it may be more effective in getting the more silent and self-disciplined violent intent members of the forum to slip and post their real intentions. This can be used later in a court of law during prosecution.

Technique #6 - 'GAINING FULL CONTROL'

It is important to also be harvesting and continually maneuvering for a forum moderator position. Once this position is obtained, the forum can then be effectively and quietly controlled by deleting unfavourable postings - and one can eventually steer the forum into complete failure and lack of interest by the general public. This is the 'ultimate victory' as the forum is no longer participated with by the general public and no longer useful in maintaining their freedoms. Depending on the level of control you can obtain, you can deliberately steer a forum into defeat by censoring postings, deleting memberships, flooding, and or accidentally taking the forum offline. By this method the forum can be quickly killed. However it is not always in the interest to kill a forum as it can be converted into a 'honey pot' gathering center to collect and misdirect newcomers and from this point be completely used for your control for your agenda purposes.

CONCLUSION

Remember these techniques are only effective if the forum participants DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM. Once they are aware of these techniques the operation can completely fail, and the forum can become uncontrolled. At this point other avenues must be considered such as initiating a false legal precidence to simply have the forum shut down and taken offline. This is not desirable as it then leaves the enforcement agencies unable to track the percentage of those in the population who always resist attempts for control against them. Many other techniques can be utilized and developed by the individual and as you develop further techniques of infiltration and control it is imperative to share then with HQ.

[LatinAmericanview]

Well I see how they might seem like just like a couple of empty babblers but... examine the following and then examine their posts carefully and I think you might see a pattern - I've looked carefully at Savages uploads and posts and I stand by my conclusion along with his Latin Jew wingman..

ShamanSaid on Fri Mar 13, 2009 10:11 am

I have done some 20 hours of shows and some 500 posts. And Savage has done 28 shows plus 685 posts.

The Shamster would not have believe that he was capable of doing the necessary analysis of Mr. Savage's body of work and my formidable body of work in less than 12 hours!

ShamanSaid on Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:45 pm

ShamanSaid on Fri Mar 13, 2009 10:11 am

The Shamsters recent (dropping) postings


Simple logic! I have over 18 hours of radio show and he posted a conclusion based on careful observation in roughly 12 hours! Clearly he did have the time to research my posts and listen to my shows.

Additionally, the Shamster has post a grand total of 57 posts. Seven of those posts have been directed at me, Mr. Savage and or both. Roughly 12.28% percent of the Shamsters work is direct attack on a TIU member.  I say the Shamster is a Sham! And please don't squeeze the Shaman on the way out.

[GordZilla]

I gotta say, this is getting a little ridiculous. I have had confrontations before with Latin and I've said many nasty things about him in the past but frankly to think he's a disinfo Jew is a little much ... I'd have to defend Latin on this one ... we don't always see eye to eye, but he's on the same page as the rest of us... this little squabble here is really unnecessary .... Look at some of his work ... He knows about the Talmudic Jew and has tried repeatedly to expose them ... I think that should speak for itself , no?

As for Mr. Savage, I don't listen to his material perhaps as much as I should, but I'm like Sham on that one ...I'm not a big fan of the movie and music filler predominate in much of his material (or at least how it used to be  ...haven't listened for awhile) but this is personal taste, I can tell that the man does know what he is talking about, and does 'get it' as far as the Talmudic Jew goes.

In Short Sham, neither of these two are our enemy, and I'm not their biggest fan but I can discern at least that much for myself.  They are spreading the message in the style in which they choose. But none-the-less, they are still spreading the message, so why attack them for that? If you have a problem with their content, and you can prove that  it's  factually incorrect then let them know, they may even appreciate the correction, but accuse them of being disinfo-Jews is hardly justified.

[ShamanSaid]

Let the coincidence theorists pop off all they want to, but ladies and gentlemen, please meet Team JEW:

John Savage Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2008
LatinAmericanview Joined: Wed Apr 23, 2008
GordZilla Joined: Tue Apr 22, 2008

Note, the typical JEW tactic of trying to pull rank.. JEWS love to build up "credentials" and to hide behind them and to attack and discredit any who in their view have them that are not Team JEW. Despite how lame brained it is, they feel that putting out a lot of JEW garbage constitutes "credentials"..

THIS IS THE SAME EXACT CONCEPT THE JEWS HAVE USED FOR OVER 3 DECADES TO SUPPORT THE FALSE CLAIM OF THE HOLOCOST -- people wake up already and don't be so tolerant of snakes in the garden

[LatinAmericanview]

Dear Shamster,
If you had a little a background on the whole TIU community then you would know that most of the older timers joined around the same time. This is because many of members were listeners to DBS. DBS promoted TIU and we then joined in support. There is conspiracy but rather signs of a membership drive inspired by DBS. Honestly, you are insulting some really great guys. Shamster try posting information and not insults or accusations.

[ShamanSaid]

Lets pass that thru the prism of truth and see what comes out:

We were all monitoring DBS and when we heard him broadcast a new forum we wanted to jump right on it to monitor that as well..

JEWS are always quick to jump in early, for times like this when they need to try to pull some "seniority" rank bullshit argument.

Funny, he does that yet then tries to claim "oh, just stick to the facts" lmao - typical JEW hypocracy.

They can't help but being hypocryts because it invades every aspect of their being and moral fiber, they are nothing but lying cowards who shake in the face of truth. They love fascim because they know they cannot stand on their own two feet - hence Team JEW, they always operate in teams in the hope they with combined focus can obfuscate the truth enough that they may claim a hollow small victory and go on in search of more targets that may please their handlers.

Like Protocol 12. part 12 of the Protocols of Zion:

12. All our newspapers will be of all possible complexions -- aristocratic, republican, revolutionary, even anarchical - for so long, of course, as the constitution exists .... Like the Indian idol "Vishnu" they will have a hundred hands, and every one of them will have a finger on any one of the public opinions as required. When a pulse quickens these hands will lead opinion in the direction of our aims, for an excited patient loses all power of judgment and easily yields to suggestion. Those fools who will think they are repeating the opinion of a newspaper of their own camp will be repeating our opinion or any opinion that seems desirable for us. In the vain belief that they are following the organ of their party they will, in fact, follow the flag which we hang out for them.

These type of Jew shills are in here trying to blend in, build up credentials, perform minor deflection (not such as to arouse suspicion) and like fingers on the hand of Vishnu keep a pulse on the enemies of the hideous Jewish agenda of world domination.

[GordZilla]

Let the coincidence theorists pop off all they want to, but ladies and gentlemen, please meet Team JEW:

John Savage Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2008
LatinAmericanview Joined: Wed Apr 23, 2008
GordZilla Joined: Tue Apr 22, 2008

If I remember correctly the old site close it's doors around then and the new TIU started up, I'm sure you'll find quite a few people joining around then.  Coincidence ?? I think not.

Also if u have read anything I've posted here or on other forums, you would see your claim is next to ridiculous . I've been close to being kicked out this forum before for being a little too frank when it comes to the Jew, and siding too closely with opinions held  by Mike of Prothink fame -  amongst others. ...

The mere fact that I have to defend this claim of yours really has got me thinking;
If I have to defend myself as not being a Zio-shill  ...I think we ought to ask the same of you ... what work of yours can we look at to show you're genuine? After all your main motive here seems to be to spread the attacks far and wide, a little divide and conquer perhaps?

My record, Latin's and Mr. Savage's as well speak for themselves. If I am a shill, I'm the worst they got ... read something first before shooting your mouth off.

Check prothink.tv,  Mike created a channel for me, not by request but because I asked him to upload my favorite video,  IMHO the best video ever done on this topic. This video I feel is still one of the most powerfull voices against their kind. It has been repeatedly, then finally, permanently removed from Jewtube. Why on earth would I want to upload it? So I can gain trust with Mike? Or perhaps others? I mean seriously, I am one man, no posse, no real power... just a voice.  

But since you accuse us so willingly, perhaps you can link us to some of your posts (outside of this forum) or other work you may have done?

[veritasvincit]

Oh please, Shaman - this is exactly what they want us to do - fight and accuse one another.  This is a forum to find the truth and just because one person does not agree with one issue of another does not make them any sort of infiltrator.  The one thing we all have in common on this forum is that we all know who the manipulators and controllers are of almost every aspect of our economy, media, politicians etc.  I don't think anyone on this forum should have to defend themselves from such accusations.

Do not take personally, any debate on micro issues.  Debate is healthy to finding the truth and the solutions.  We learn from one another so that we may substantiate and enforce our knowledge of the enemy: those greedy, zionist whores.

[ShamanSaid]

WHO[/i] are you "Shaman Says"?

[youtube:8l1t3a90]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UuFHMnWMRo[/youtube]8l1t3a90]

[stoneskull]

this thread took a wrong turn at albuquerque

wha happened, china?

[ShamanSaid]

We got a pack of little dancing Jew parasites - so I decided play a little music for them. =)

It's funny, you see the hypocracy of these little maggots - trying to pull rank "seniority credentials" and every Jew trick in the book here on my intro page.

Ask yourself, why all the interest in Shaman's intro page?

Well, I'll tell you why I think all the interest. It's because I'm kicking little known or aired facts based on the research I did outflanking these JEW pricks and their falsification of history - these things are verifiable but no one else goes back as far as me and puts it in perspective so they try to bury the information by making unrelated posts and using other various trolling techniques.

It started by me exposing John Savage as a twit Jew shill - then his dancing Jew wingmen showed up. Also there have been others messaging me here that IMO are Jew ops/agents trying to find out who I am - asking me crap like "what type of high level encryption are you using?" heheh..

[Tomas O'Crohan]

SS: You're a troll. Fuck off scum. Anything you write is shiite and all should ignore this tripe. Go back to your sewer troll.

[ShamanSaid]

See what I mean lol.. This little trashbag does nothing - looking at his few hollow posts - but blow smoke up the admin's arses (likely trying to court favor) and then shows up here on my intro page trying get the back of these little Jew maggots.

Makes me wonder about this little bastard.

Go ahead and get your shilly dancing shoes on Thomas there's plenty room on the dance floor here if you care to make more of an arse o'yourself.

[Ognir]

I'm tempted to lock this thread
Don't see it going anywhere IMHO except into a shouting/slagging match

Calm down, refrain from the name calling please

Og

[Free Truth]

This whole thread should be deleted IMO...it just looks bad...

Can I be a jew shill too, Shaman?
If Shaman's right, he's brilliant, but, ummm...no.
Boot the clown...

[jai_mann]

I'm tempted to lock this thread
Don't see it going anywhere IMHO except into a shouting/slagging match

Calm down, refrain from the name calling please

Og

Lock it down daddio. There's nothing productive in here. I'd consider givin someone da' boot if disputes and nonproductivity continue but that's just me. Belligerent distractions are all I see...

[ShamanSaid]

What happened here Nierika is, John Savage showed up here popping nonsense about not being able to have books or knowledge of things more than 200 years old. After I stomped that off topic fraud disinfo out (with facts), he's back popping nonsense about China's history being falsified yada yada.. again totally off topic (typical troll tactic) finally saying that the Great Wall of China was built in the 1950's under the communists and other nonsense. When I asked him for a source he gives me an anonymous block of garbage with no sources.

So, I did some checking on his posts and other info and determined this guy is indeed a troll. When I confronted him on this - since it is MY INTRO THREAD HERE - his little wingmen came out (some of whom I believe to be unwitting dupes).

[jai_mann]

Ognir lock this thing down quick!! Before he outs us all as disinfo jews!  :lol:   OH NO'S!!!