Race and Intelligence Thread

[mgt23]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence

A 1960 study of 1236 American teenagers calculated six IQ measures for Jews relative to white gentiles. The results found that the relative IQ of American Jews varied from a low of 91.3 (visual reasoning) to a high of 109.7 (Mathematics).  A recent review by Lynn (2004) used a 10 word vocabulary test to estimate the IQ of American Jews. The population of 150 Jews scored half a standard deviation above the 5300 white gentiles in verbal IQ.

^  Backman, M.E. (1972) Patterns of mental abilities: ethnic, socioeconomic and sex differences. American Educational Research Journal, 9,1-12.
 ^ a b Lynn, Richard (2003). The Intelligence of American Jews. Elsevier Ltd. doi:10.1016/S0191-8869(03)00079-​5.
 ^  Cochran, Gregory & Hardy, Jason & Harpending, Henry. Natural History of Ashkenazi Intelligence. Journal of Biosocial Science, Vol. 38, No. 05. (2005), pp. 659-693.

I was wondering what people think of the mathematics claim ..........

edit:What I'm trying to get at is are they bred for mathematics purposes? I don' think they are a race in the sense of other gentiles can become jews, but what i am willing to engage is whether they are better at producing people who use mathematics in applying will to power? indeed what this study is claiming is that the zio jew is superman in classic Nietzsche sense. i also want to introduce another point is mathematics essential in running power? id say yes a profound effect. Im not sure really on some points but id thought id open the floor with an interesting debate.

[mgt23]

now here is an example connection........

His two most influential teachers, Friedrich Gundolf and his doctoral supervisor at Heidelberg, Max Freiherr von Waldberg, were Jews. His intelligence and political astuteness were generally acknowledged even by his enemies.[6]

odd yes? it gets better.....

Gundolf, who was the son of a mathematician, studied art history and German language and literature at the universities of Munich, Berlin and Heidelberg. He received his doctorate in 1903 and completed his Habilitation  (attainment of professor's status) eight years later. His habilitation work about "Shakespeare and the German spirit" (Shakespeare und der deutsche Geist, 1911), marked a turning point in German language and literature studies.

Gundolf's works were banned by the Nazis in 1933.

banned ehhh.....

[mgt23]

The Science of Racism

http://infogenome.org/writings/The%20Sc ... ism.htmThe Science of Racism

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At the end of the "quotes" I will post my perceptions on the issue.

 

First read this article:

 

The Science of Racism

http://www.theroot.com/id/46680/page/1

http://www.theroot.com/id/46680/page/2

http://www.theroot.com/id/46680/page/3


 

Next I want to post a comment from a blog -- I am not posting the blog post itself as I find most of it pretty useless and doesn't really deal with the issues of what Watson said, as a large portion seems devoted to discrediting someone the blogger disagrees with, and in my view of arguing a point, doing so is a flawed way to disprove something as it is more a deceptive technique -- because this comment illustrates an important point about IQ, as did the above article by Mr. Gates.

 

The comment comes from here: http://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot. ... vs-james...

 

    E.C. said...

     

        First,

        Jewish people are the most intelligent. They win almost 40% of the Nobel Prize's and they have a small population of only 14 million. So by far they exceed the other races in intelligence. The other races having huge numbers and such small contributions.

     

        Second,

        IQ tests, test intellectual conformity, not creativity and originality. This would explain the Asian high IQ's. They as a people are the ultimate conformists.

     

        In IQ tests there is typically only one answer to the problem. That problem being a social conformity to reason. But everyone knows that Genius's and all of the greatest developments in the world are not the product of conformity. Conformity never breeds creativity. We can see this in the lack of influence the Asian population has had on Science. China used to be called the "sick man" of Asia. Their population is massive and their contribution to innovation is almost nil. We can see this lack of originality in their adoptation of European philosophies, I.e. Communism.

     

        Friedrich Nietzsche and other Philosophers have critized Asians. Nietsche used the words "Pallid osification" to describe Orientals.

     

        Pallid: lacking sparkle or liveliness.

     

        Osification: The process of becoming set and inflexible in behavior, attitudes, and actions. Inflexible conformity, rigid unthinking acceptance of social conventions.

     

        The reality is Asian people have yet to understand that laws and rules are arbitrary. Europeans make the rules and Asian's follow them.

     

        It also doesn't make sense that Asian's are considered smart because of the fact that they have destroyed their own countries. This is due to over-population and their basic lack of enviromental understanding.

     

        It is also common scientific fact that women who have many children are ignorant, and those who have less children are more intelligent. This has already been proven in studies. So it seems strange to say that Asians are smart when the obviousness of their backwards countries, and medieval lifestyle makes them contrary to that premise.

     

        Europeans have the most advanced civilizations and every other race has yet to meet these levels other than the Japanese. The Japanese only being good at copying other people's inventions and making them better. Other than that their original creativity is lacking as well. They took American cars and made them better. They took the German camera and made it better. And they took German steel and made it better. Otherwise the greatest advances still come from Europeans and Jews. Other than that the Orientals have yet to produce an Einstein or a Thomas Edison.

     

        When it comes to Black people. It makes sense that they have low intellectual comformity, I.e. IQ tests. They are far too creative to be trapped in this unoriginal form of conditioning. You can tell their creative capacity in their athletics, music, dance, and the way they talk. They by far exceed the Asiatic races in these areas. Being better singers, musicians ect. Blacks far exceed Asians in emotive expression. In all of North America there is only one or two famous high-paid Asian actors.

     

        Reality, Europeans rule the world and they have allowed others to exist only out of desire for economic bennifet. They, (Europeans) are also the physically strongest, winning the Strongest Man competitions again and again.

     

        The greater the conformity, the weaker the race. Thus we see the races as they are today. The wild animal being bred out of man, and the physically impotent, conformist thriving.

     

        Otherwise "Group psychology" is the most destructive thing in the world. All these stereotypes are false when it comes to the individual. Individualism is the most important thing for this time. All countries, Religions, groups need to dissolve for man to live in peace.

 

 

Now for my comment on this.

 

Although it may be perceived that racial genetics is the defining factor in categorizing Jews as having the highest IQ or Blacks as having the lowest, this is incorrect and is a result of short-sighted analysis on the parts of those making such claims.  As Mr. Gates mentions, Watson himself was what can be seen as a genius despite his low IQ.  IQ does not make someone "intelligent".  The reason the racial aspect is the primary identifier used by some to claim superior or inferior racial intelligence over other races is because they are only looking at the race and IQ.  The true motivational factor in determining what brings about an overall generalized description of any group, is the culture.  The confusion arises when people ignore culture or attempt to lump it into racial definitions.  They are different.  Ethnicities are made up of racial and cultural combinations.

 

Culture is the only reason why some have higher IQs than others.  The urban Black culture is not a conducive environment -- for the most part -- in giving the opportunities to develop and acquire the information needed to attain a higher IQ score.  The black people who value learning and gaining more knowledge will be smart, just as any white, asian or other racially identifiable person can be.  Mr. Gates himself is smart, as he is part of the Western or academic culture (the academic culture its not exclusively a Western characteristic, but he lives in a Occidental society so I will use Western to define it).  He went to university, etc.  This is part of Western culture (again a part of it, not exclusive to it), and he had the opportunity to become part of the overall design of Western culture.  Many black youths do not want to be part of the "white mans" culture and so rebel against its methods of education.  If the black youth -- as many white, asian and other youths -- prefer to not conform to the Western ideals of being "book smart", of learning the techniques and skills needed to develop an analytical and academically intelligent mind, then they will not be "smart" or have a high IQ when they choose another path -- such as being in a gang or other less productive social constructs.

 

IQ is based on a group conformity to the information, where all that is needed to get high IQ scores is to be a part of the collective line of thinking and knowledge.  It has nothing to do with creativity or originality.  All you need to do is learn and retain the skills and knowledge taught.  Anyone is capable of this if they are given the opportunity, and if they have the desire to do so.  You also do not need to completely conform to the Western culture to be intelligent -- and going to college or university is not a defining characteristic in making one intelligent, it only aids in developing intellectual abilities that can be defined or supposedly recognized through an IQ test.

 

The Jewish group mind or evolutionary tactic is more focused on the intellectual acquisition, as I see it.  The opportunities afforded them are more favorable in attaining greater intellectual characteristics to achieve the goals they want.  For some it may be honorable goals to better humanity as many other groups of people can do, or some may use their abilities for selfish or megalomaniacal goals -- again, as other individuals choose to do as well.  I use the term Jewish as the generally accepted/defined/perceived term for this group of people.  I have my own definition of what defines a Jew, but that would be too complicated to get into here, but I will present my conclusions in a later posting at some point in the future.

 

As far as I can tell, there is no scientific evidence to prove race is the defining factor in "intelligence".  This is demonstrable as I have shown above.  When you see that "white trash" or any other non-favorable group/racial-denomination is not as intelligent as the others of the same race, you can clearly see the validity of that conclusion, since the specific sub-culture is different from the rest who do better.

 

That is not to say there are not genetic differences that are based on race, I am only arguing for the ability of anyone to be "smart".  So far the ability to be "smart" cannot be demonstrated through empirical genetic evidence.  Until that day comes, making such claims -- as far as my limited repository of knowledge is concerned -- is false.  Feel free to correct me -- using logic or evidence hehehe

 

Thats my take on the issue.  I may be right, I may be wrong.  Let me know what you think

 

Peace.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

It all needs to fit with the Toba theory.  Africa, of all continents, survived this catastrophe with conditions that could lead to survival. However, Central Asia, also likely had survivors but this group likely faced a very real "survival of the fittest" which over a few 10,000 years produced the modern human. African Humans did not face this "test" and are likely more like humans prior to the Toba SuperVolcano and therefore not as "advanced". Europeans-Asians are a small part of the 1000 survivors.  This is just CSR's theory but it logically makes sense to me with the evidence of Toba.    
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_catastrophe_theory

The Toba supereruption (Young Toba Tuff or simply YTT[1]) occurred between 66,000 and 76,000 years ago at Lake Toba (Sumatra, Indonesia), and it is recognized as one of Earth's largest known eruptions. The related catastrophe theory holds that this supervolcanic  event plunged the planet into a 6 to 10 year volcanic winter, which resulted in the world's human population being reduced to 10,000 or even a mere 1,000 breeding pairs, creating a bottleneck in human evolution. Some researchers argue that the Toba eruption produced not only a catastrophic volcanic winter but also an additional 1,000 year cooling episode.

The Toba event is the most closely studied supereruption. In 1993 Michael R. Rampino of the New York University and Stephen Self of the University of Hawaii at Manoa first suggested a link between the eruption and a bottleneck in human evolution. The theory was then developed in 1998 by Stanley H. Ambrose of the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign.

Gene analysis of some genes shows divergence anywhere from 60,000 to 2 million years ago. This does not contradict the Toba theory, however, because Toba is not conjectured to be an extreme bottleneck event. The complete picture of gene lineages, including present-day levels of human genetic variation, allows the theory of a Toba-induced human population bottleneck.[27]

However, research by archaeologist Michael Petraglia's team cast doubt on Ambrose's theory. Petraglia and his team found stone tools at southern India, above and below a thick layer of ash from the Toba eruption. The tools from each layer were remarkably similar, and Petraglia says that this shows that the huge dust clouds from the eruption didn't wipe out the local population of people:[28]

    "Whoever was there seems to have persisted through the eruption."

[Free Truth]

Jewish people are the most intelligent.

 :roll:  

They win almost 40% of the Nobel Prize's

That's worth something  :roll:

and they have a small population of only 14 million.

Go figure... What ELSE could that entail?

So by far they exceed the other races in intelligence.

Right...

China used to be called the "sick man" of Asia. Their population is massive and their contribution to innovation is almost nil.

That doesn't sound right.

Blacks far exceed Asians in emotive expression.

Sounds very right.

Culture is the only reason why some have higher IQs than others. The urban Black culture is not a conducive environment -- for the most part -- in giving the opportunities to develop and acquire the information needed to attain a higher IQ score. The black people who value learning and gaining more knowledge will be smart, just as any white, asian or other racially identifiable person can be. Mr. Gates himself is smart, as he is part of the Western or academic culture (the academic culture its not exclusively a Western characteristic, but he lives in a Occidental society so I will use Western to define it). He went to university, etc. This is part of Western culture (again a part of it, not exclusive to it), and he had the opportunity to become part of the overall design of Western culture. Many black youths do not want to be part of the "white mans" culture and so rebel against its methods of education. If the black youth -- as many white, asian and other youths -- prefer to not conform to the Western ideals of being "book smart", of learning the techniques and skills needed to develop an analytical and academically intelligent mind, then they will not be "smart" or have a high IQ

I'd have to agree. I've actually been thinking just recently that, if placed in the right situation, any type of human could be just as "intelligent" as any other.

IQ is based on a group conformity to the information, where all that is needed to get high IQ scores is to be a part of the collective line of thinking and knowledge.

Yes!

It has nothing to do with creativity or originality. All you need to do is learn and retain the skills and knowledge taught. Anyone is capable of this if they are given the opportunity, and if they have the desire to do so. You also do not need to completely conform to the Western culture to be intelligent -- and going to college or university is not a defining characteristic in making one intelligent, it only aids in developing intellectual abilities that can be defined or supposedly recognized through an IQ test.

Yes.
I am not too concerned with intelligence anymore; what more is what has widely become viewed as intelligence than proficiency in indoctrination, yes?
What is smarts and power is WISDOM.

Is mathematics essential to control? I actually don't find that worth talking about...
But math is indeed a great subject and once again anybody (race) that would be able to receive the type of quality education the likes that the "elites" and their children get would be able to match any other (with time), I believe.

The Jewish group mind or evolutionary tactic is more focused on the intellectual acquisition, as I see it. The opportunities afforded them are more favorable in attaining greater intellectual characteristics to achieve the goals they want.

I think there is a designation factor that has to be considered amongst us all.

[Free Truth]

China used to be called the "sick man" of Asia. Their population is massive and their contribution to innovation is almost nil.

That sounds like something that somebody that says this would say:

Jewish people are the most intelligent. They win almost 40% of the Nobel Prize's and they have a small population of only 14 million. So by far they exceed the other races in intelligence. The other races having huge numbers and such small contributions.

And this:

"Group psychology" is the most destructive thing in the world.