"The U.S. is a corporation; the Vatican owns the world"

[Helphand]

Of the annoying memes circulating on the internet there are 3 in particular getting more exposure which are detailed below. They crop up in numerous apparently unconnected places, including as diversely as David Icke's site, the British Constitution Group/UK Column and linked BBC5TV video site (not the BBC) and in YouTube hosted videos such as "Empire of the City" and E.C. Knuth's "Empire of the City" book.

Three memes:

1. The 3 Cities/City States: the Vatican, the City of London, and Washington DC are independent states and together govern the world. Also book the by E.C. Knuth published around 1945/1948 that tries to lay the blame on the "International Financiers" and more frequently, the Pilgrims Society ("The Pilgrim Partners" by Sir Harry Brittain [that name at least suggests a sense of the absurd]).

2. The USA is a corporation and the War of Independence never resulted in economic or legal independence.

3. Common law has been displaced in the US court system by Maritime law (the tassels edging the flags in the court rooms) which latter system applies on a contractual basis and can be repudiated by withholding of consent.


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David Icke: The Biggest Secret (1999)

[Page 193]

After the original 13 (again!) American colonies
won their 'independence' and an 'independent' country was formed after 1783, the
Virginia Company simply changed its name to... the United States of America. You see
there are two USAs, or rather a USA and a usA. The united states of America with a
lower case 'u' and 's' are the lands of the various states. These lands, as we have seen,
are still owned by the British Crown as the head of the old Virginia Company, although
there is something to add about this in a moment. Then there is the United States of
America, capital 'U' and 'S', which is the 68 square miles of land west of the Potomac
River on which is built the federal capital, Washington DC and the District of
Columbia. It also includes the US protectorates of Guam and Puerto Rico. The United
States of America is not a country, it is a corporation owned by the same Brotherhood
reptilian bloodlines who owned the Virginia Company, because the USA is the Virginia
Company! When Americans agree to have a social security number the citizens of the
united states surrender their sovereignty and agree to become franchisees of the United
States (the Virginia Company of the British Crown). So why do they do it? Because
they have no idea that this is what they are doing. They are led to believe that there is
only one United States and the Federal government is the rightful government. There is
no law that says that Americans must pay federal income tax, but they go on paying
because they think they have to.

[Page 194 ]

On October 3rd 1213, King John, as 'King of England Corporation Sole' claimed autonomy
over all the sovereign rights of England and assigned them to the Pope, who, as
Vicar of Christ, claimed dominion over the whole world. In return, the Pope granted
executiveship to the English Crown over all these dominions. In other words, the Crown
is the chief executive and the Vatican is the owner, although, of course, the true owner
is whoever controls the Vatican.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Note the absence of any documentation/footnotes or cites for this.
On what basis does Icke say this?

[VoltaXebec]

"In other words, the Crown is the chief executive and the Vatican is the owner, although, of course, the true owner
is whoever controls the Vatican."

I guess that's why a Catholic cannot be monarch

[LordLindsey]

Not everything contained herein is "nonsense."  Although the facts are found elsewhere on TIU, basically I can't really dis-agree with any of this except, OF COURSE, that "The Chosen" are not mentioned as the ones controlling the whole God-damned show, from the media all the way to banks that control the nations across this occupied planet.

95% truth and 5% lies is STILL a lie.

LINDSEY

[VoltaXebec]

Not everything contained herein is "nonsense."  Although the facts are found elsewhere on TIU, basically I can't really dis-agree with any of this except, OF COURSE, that "The Chosen" are not mentioned as the ones controlling the whole God-damned show, from the media all the way to banks that control the nations across this occupied planet.

95% truth and 5% lies is STILL a lie.

LINDSEY

So you believe the Vatican controls the Queen of England, yes or no?

[LordLindsey]

I'm not going to dignify a bullshit question like that with a response, but there is no way to do that without saying it like this.   :lol:

LINDSEY

[VoltaXebec]

Well many do unfortunately, and Icke promoting "the Crown is the chief executive and the Vatican is the owner" crap is giving them credence.

[Helphand]

The meme is not only pervasive but resistant to destruction...
There's more here for those who want... personally I started losing the will to live.

http://www.civil-liberties.com/books/index.html

The United States is Still a British Colony (Part I)
Bend Over America (Part II)
Will the Real Government Please Stand Up (Part III)

        Additional Reading

 America's subjection to Britain, in a nut shell.
 Because the Queen says so, that's why.
 A King's Charter Refuses to Die.
 Common Law vs. Conquest
 Research on Corporations
 How Long Can a Corporation Live?  
 American Land Ownership, a True Oxymoron
 Appendix - The Land Still Belongs to the King

"Jonathan Williams recorded in his book, Legions of Satan, 1781, that Cornwallis revealed to Washington during his surrender that "a holy war will now begin on America, and when it is ended America will be supposedly the citadel of freedom, but her millions will unknowingly be loyal subjects to the Crown."...."in less than two hundred years the whole nation will be working for divine world government. That government that they believe to be divine will be the British Empire."

See thread elsewhere in TiU Sanctum about Legions of Satan. Also see Amazon you will see someone's findings which suggest it doesn't exist:

http://www.amazon.com/Legions-Satan-Jonathan-Williams/dp/B000VBGEUI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1275767007&sr=8-1

[Helphand]

"Do Not Feed The Memes!"

OK sorry but I cannot resist this one further infraction...

There is some quite cosmic reading over at:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/3046737/USCongressionalRecord1940BritishIsraelWorldGovernment-OCRv0-1

"Steps Toward British Union, a World State, and International Strife—Part I.
REMARKS of HON. J. THORKELSON OF MONTANA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.
Monday, August 19.1940"

- concerning the Pilgrims Society, Rothschilds and moves by the British-Israelism elements to arrange circumstances most favorable to the re-absorption of the USA into a new British Commonwealth.

Any US constitutional lawyers/analysts out there who can give a reasoned assessment?

(Document may also be on fugaziquo.com somewhere but I can't remember).

[Helphand]

Dr John Coleman (Committee of 300 etc etc) was on Alex Jones the other day (sorry to mention that blood oath round here - I only listen once or twice a year). Interestingly, in the intro, Jones described Coleman as a constitutional lawyer - interesting because Coleman is a proponent of the "US is a corporation owned by the British Crown" thesis. So presumably he has done the original research on all this???
Mind, it is Spiridovich who NAMES the 300 as Jews - AND cites his authority for this (Jewish source).

[Whaler]

I thought this was pretty interesting.

Col Barry Turner - Committee of 300 John Coleman - Critique (LR)
[googlevid:20n0whlw]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2191969406738083635[/googlevid:20n0whlw]

Some Illuminating Background On The Character "John Coleman", Agent-Agitator Finally Exposed
http://www.scribd.com/doc/23871679/Eust ... ns-1991-97

[maz]

Very Important Info: IRS belongs to IMF and UN

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php ... msg1061271

[Helphand]

Hmm thanks for that.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=178939.msg1061271#msg1061271

[among others:]

"22. America is a British Colony. (THE UNITED STATES IS A CORPORATION, NOT A LAND MASS AND IT EXISTED BEFORE THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR AND THE BRITISH TROOPS DID NOT LEAVE UNTIL 1796.) Respublica v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43, Treaty of Commerce 8 Stat 116, The Society for Propagating the Gospel, &c. V. New Haven 8 Wheat 464, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80, IRS Publication 6209, Articles of Association October 20, 1774.) "

-- looking at the extensive list and cites I reckon there's plausible grounds there for meaningful research work by a  US qualified attorney, however as it would be unpaid it will never happen.

[maz]

Hmm thanks for that.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=178939.msg1061271#msg1061271

"22. America is a British Colony. (THE UNITED STATES IS A CORPORATION, NOT A LAND MASS AND IT EXISTED BEFORE THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR AND THE BRITISH TROOPS DID NOT LEAVE UNTIL 1796.) Respublica v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43, Treaty of Commerce 8 Stat 116, The Society for Propagating the Gospel, &c. V. New Haven 8 Wheat 464, Treaty of Peace 8 Stat 80, IRS Publication 6209, Articles of Association October 20, 1774.) "

-- looking at the extensive list and cites I reckon there's plausible grounds there for meaningful research work by a  US qualified attorney, however as it would be unpaid it will never happen.

They seem to be bringing back the Vatican ordered 9/11 and caused WW1 and WW2 memes too. I've noticed a third wave of this and it seems like it goes right along with the Vatican and Queen Elizabeth runs the world nonesense.[/quote}

[rmstock]

"The U.S. is a corporation; the Vatican owns the world"

should actually read :

"The U.S. is a corporation; God owns the world"

Here's how :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_England

John as a King had always been in want of money for his campaigns and wars and so it happened that he got a

Dispute with the Pope
Pope Innocent III and King John had a disagreement about who would become Archbishop of Canterbury which lasted from 1205 until 1213.

When Archbishop of Canterbury Hubert Walter died on 13 July 1205, John became involved in a dispute with Pope Innocent III. The Canterbury Cathedral chapter claimed the sole right to elect Hubert's successor and favoured Reginald, a candidate out of their midst. However, both the English bishops and the King had an interest in the choice of successor to this powerful office. The king wanted John de Gray, one of his own men, so he could influence the church more.[8] When their dispute could not be settled, the Chapter secretly elected one of their members as Archbishop. A second election imposed by John resulted in another nominee. When they both appeared in Rome, Innocent disavowed both elections, and his candidate, Stephen Langton, was elected over the objections of John's observers. John was supported in his position by the English barons and many of the English bishops, and refused to accept Langton.

John expelled the Chapter in July 1207, to which the Pope reacted by placing an interdict on the kingdom. John immediately retaliated by closing down the churches. Although he issued instructions for the confiscation of all church possessions, individual institutions were able to negotiate terms for managing their own properties and keeping the produce of their estates.[9] After his excommunication, John tightened these measures and he accrued significant sums from the income of vacant sees and abbeys: for example, the church lost an estimated 100,000 marks to the Crown in 1213.[10] The Pope, realising that too long a period without church services could lead to loss of faith, gave permission for some churches to hold Mass behind closed doors in 1209. In 1212, they allowed last rites to the dying. While the interdict was a burden to many, it did not result in rebellion against John.

Excommunication and Papal Supremacy

In November 1209 John was excommunicated, and in February 1213, Innocent threatened stronger measures unless John submitted. The papal terms for submission were accepted in the presence of the papal legate Pandulph in May 1213 (according to Matthew Paris, at the Templar Church at Dover);[11] in addition, John offered to surrender the Kingdom of England to God and the Saints Peter and Paul for a feudal service of 1,000 marks annually, 700 for England and 300 for Ireland.[10] With this submission, formalised in the Bulla Aurea (Golden Bull), John gained the valuable support of his papal overlord in his new dispute with the English barons.

[10] Harper-Bill, Christopher (1999). "John and the church of Rome". in Church, S. D. King John New Interpretations. Woodbridge, England: Boydell and Brewer. pp. 306–7. ISBN 0-85115-736-X.

The next section "Dispute with the barons" is a total phallacy and bullshit story, the real dispute with the Barons
was of course about King John's recently gained uber support of the papal overlord in all kind of English matters.
As a result the "Magna Carta" was issued by the Barons :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta

Magna Carta (also called Magna Carta Libertatum, the Great Charter of Liberties) is an English charter, originally issued in the year 1215, and reissued in smaller versions later in the 13th century. The later versions omit certain temporary provisions, including the most direct challenges to the monarch's authority, and passed into law in 1225. It is the 1297 version which still remains on the statute books of England and Wales.

Magna Carta of 1215 required King John of England to proclaim certain liberties, and accept that his will was not arbitrary, for example by explicitly accepting that no freeman could be punished except through the law of the land, a right which is still in existence today.

Magna Carta was the first document forced onto an English King by a group of his subjects (the barons) in an attempt to limit his powers by law and protect their privileges.

[Helphand]

Coleman-critique info on YouTube prompts me to follow up leads kindly supplied here and elsewhere and to place it here and in another Coleman related thread as it does seem to cast doubt upon him beyond merely impressionistic reservations:

Dr Barry Turner on Dr John Coleman

Col. Barry Turner (retired) – "Committee of 300" by Dr. John Coleman - Critique.
Some Illuminating Background On The Character "John Coleman"*, Agent-Agitator Finally Exposed.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2191969406738083635#


* Or should that be: Dr. John Coleman, alias John Clarke, alias Pavlonksy. See more at end.

Before narrating the main points from Col. Barry Turner (BT)'s critique of Coleman, let me say I found the following more illuminating than Coleman's "Conspirators' Hierarchy: The Committee of 300" book when I read it a few years ago:

"THE SECRET WORLD GOVERNMENT OR "The Hidden Hand: The Unrevealed In History" by Maj.-Gen Count A. Cherep-Spiridovich (1926)

"Read this book and the World will never again seem the same to you".[/i]

<< "Only 300 men, each of whom knows all the others, govern the fate of
Europe. They elect their successors from their entourage. These German
Jews have the means in their hands of putting an end to the form of any
State which they find 'unreasonable.' " (Walter Rathenau, on Dec. 24, 1912,
in the "Wiener Presse," see "Plain English," June 11, 1921).
... When these revelations of Rathenau began to be repeated, he "suddenly"
died, as perish "suddenly" all who expose the "300". >>

And while I support much of what BT says, I find him a little too biased to the establishment / accepted order of things to be himself 100% believable either although I attribute this not to deceptiveness on his part but to the effects of indoctrination by the environment in which he spent much of his life. He also seems to have some at least basic knowledge of Freemasonry.

If you just want to listen to the discussion in mp3 format (7.04MB) rather than listen and watch the two old buffers Robert and Barry by the fire in a chintzy salon via the YouTube flv (~114MB) then download the mp3 (~7.1MB) here:

http://www.datafilehost.com/download-41e617a0.html

Preliminary: BT says he was himself not in military intelligence but concerned with military engineering and he knows nothing of Coleman or his background, what he is a doctor of etc etc  other than what he gleans from Coleman's book.

BT thinks many people in the USA think the British Monarchy is at the heart of conspiratorial movements and that this accounts for much of the book's approach. BT does not say why the US obsession with the (apparent) Crown exists and seems dismissive of this "obsession". {What about the Pilgrims Society, Round Table, other groups pushing for USA/UK reunion which do exist...}

@3.20: the book's back cover says Coleman served with British MI6 secret intelligence service and BT thinks Coleman is South African. BT thinks Coleman was never an integral part of MI6 –book is at variance with the way a professional would have approached compilation and drafting of such a book. Thrown together with a haphazard fashion - if done properly, it would have been 1,000+ pages like "Tragedy and Hope" by Carroll Quigley.

@5:53: No bibliography and no references in the text unlike in Nesta Webster's books written in 1920s: World Revolution / French revolution. She gave presentations to officers of Royal Artillery in 1920 and officers of Brigade of Guards and officers of Metropolitan Police. {One or other of her books - World Revolution perhaps? - was reportedly required reading for the UK Security Services.} Coleman does not supply definitive proof of any connection he may have had with British Intelligence services.

@7:35: the book at its outset suggests not properly proofed or edited: BT criticises its spelling of Foreword as Foreward.

Trilateral Commission, Zionists, Rosicrucianists, Bolshevists, Bildebergers, CFR et al are NOT "secret societies" everyone knows about them and some are movements not secret societies. This is well known.

@9:00: Olaf Palm and Club of Rome's delivery of technology to USSR forbidden by USA Customs. Antony C. Sutton is a better appraisal of what happened. Coleman's statement is not substantiated.

@10:00 Committee of 300 (also known as the Olympians) instructed (through Royal Institute of International Affairs) Bush Senior to invade Iraq . Rubbish as written – where is the proof? No footnotes, no bibliography, no references. Killing of 12,000 Iraqi soldiers buried alive in their trenches – where did this info come from? BT says Ramsey Clark's In The Fire This Time is a better and obvious reference for this. {Conversely the likes of Freeman Fly have some interesting wordplay analysis on the Shock-And-Awe campaign slogan.}

@11:05: The Round Table has influence on US politics through the British Ambassador in Washington says Coleman. "Some even know..." is rubbish and unprofessional and this is not meticulously researched and reference-checked.

@11:57: Coleman says the former PM of Italy Aldo Moro was threatened by an agent of the Royal Institute of International Affairs - no proof of this statement.

"Kissinger's role in destabilising the US via three wars is well known as is his role in the Gulf War etc" - no proof notes BT. Korean War 1952-3 approx., Kissinger was a teaching fellow at Harvard 1950-4 so what diplomatic level influence could he have had on the Korean War? No evidence.

@13:10: LONRHO and Angus Ogleby. Coleman spells Oglebie which is wrong so not checked. If he had checked Who's Who Coleman would have found correct details.

@14:40: Club of Rome has own private intel agency and also borrows from David Rockefeller's Interpol says Coleman. How can Interpol be plausibly connected with Rockefeller? No definitive proof. Stasi misspelt as Stassi.  {LOL.}
Proof reading is terrible, and marred by sweeping unsubstantiated statements.

@15:27: Queen's palatial property in Deauville France - BT thinks she has none there, no documented royal family connection with the place.

@15:55: writers of this type of book have no concept of the Queen as a constitutional monarch (her real role) as opposed to the freewheeling plenipotentiary of their imagination. BT says he recalls reading something by Lyndon Larouche about the newly married/crowned Queen Elizabeth's alleged involvement in the international drugs racket – BT found absurd but LL has he says since grown up and has written excellent work and BT has met members of his team 20 years ago.
{But for earlier Crown involvements, see the likes of: Joshua Rowntree – "The Imperial Drug Trade" (1906) and Robert Trout – American Almanac (July 1997) – The Chinese Opium Wars: The Queen of England Pushes Dope" http://american_almanac.tripod.com/opium.htm  }

@16:45: Blueprint for Dictatorship {concerning the UK and its accession to the EU(?)} written by Larouche and is excellent. Mark Voerdman {Sp.?} who came over about the time of the UK 's Single European Act which confirmed UK acceding fully to the European Union terms told BT that the Queen entertained some bankers on the royal yacht in a way suggestive of her involvement in some cabal or global plot–what is so sinister about that, her constitutional role demands involvement with people at that level, too much being read into it.

@18:00: Kissinger was designated contact man with Moscow on behalf of Royal Institute of International Affairs/Chatham House says Coleman. BT asks how does he know?  Kissinger is honorary member of RIIA and may have an honorary knightship but did going to Moscow have connection with his membership? No supporting sources given.

@19:26 Solidarity leaders were mainly descendants of Jews from Odessa and not noted for hating Communism says Coleman – BT notes they are not listed by name. He says well known from Cmmd Paper 1919 #1 of April 1919 that Jewish element of Communism very strong. But such a statement should not be made unless substantiated. {Coleman is on the right track on this although BT is right that he should have provided references.}

@20:12: Lord Carrington top ranking member of Committee of 300 and linked to Henry Kissinger. BT says no question he was a member of the board of Kissinger Associates, but it does not make sense saying he was a member of the Committee of 300 - not proven - cannot make these sweeping statements using authority of a (professed) background of secret service unless documented. Coleman goes on to say Carrington was a long-term confidant of Labour politician Anthony Wedgwood Benn – BT says this is absurd and such a statement must be proved in a responsible work that people are going to follow.

@21:35: Coleman: "Anti-Defamation League/ADL is run by MI6 and JIO". BT thinks JIO is misprint for JIC / Joint Intel Committee. Another wild statement that makes no sense unless specifically justified and it was not.

@23:01: BP is a most important corporate member of committee of 300 in which Queen Elizabeth has a big stake - prove it says BT, how does Coleman know she has a stake and how does he know BT is a member and how can a company be a member of a committee?  Half-baked obsession with British Monarchy again.

@23:45: Bernard Levin was a journalist who wrote leading articles in Times newspapers says BT. {he was also a little Jew, a graduate of the Fabian London School /Schule of Economics and when he was on the TV show "That Was The Week That Was", one week a man came on screen and interrupted the live show saying words to the effect: Mr Levin, this will only take a moment... please take off your glasses... and then swung a punch at him before being manhandled off stage. Unfortunately the audience's composition of cheerleaders and its misplaced sympathy for the apparent underdog led to a round of applause when the impromptu visitor was removed...} BT says in p41 / p47 Levin / Lewin appear – are these references to the same man, appear separately in the index but Coleman seems to be talking about the same man! Not properly proof read and should not be put on the market in this condition.

@24:25: Dr John Rawlings Reese promoted to rank of brigadier-general – BT says this rank disappeared about 1930 - what period being discussed? Don't see this as factually plausible...

@25:10: Sir Peter Vickers-Hall – mentioned as son in law of Sir Geoffrey Vickers – BT tried tracing Sir Peter Vickers-Hall but not found, no trace in the references to him.

@25:50: BT assumed the reference is to D'Israel'is novel "Coningsby" and the 1848 European revolutions including Germany {see Cherep-Spiridovich above}.

@27:05: Coleman says the Queen of England confers honours on men in top positions of the drugs trade. BT says he doesn't know he, he "is not part of the system", but he thinks she bestows honours as recommended to her; the Queen just rubber stamps honours mainly. Some limited exceptions e.g. Royal Victoria Order may be in her sole gift.

@27:58: reference to opium trade in China being sanctioned by the British royal family who supported such trade and also supported the Beatles {pop group – que? This harks back to Coleman's idea that the Beatles did not write their songs but they were written for them by Theo Adorno as part of a Tavistock youth mesmerism and degrading ploy...}
Coleman says British soldiery was stationed in Khyber Pass to protect caravans of opium supplies. BT asks DID the royal family know? No proof whatsoever!
{BUT: see references to opium above.}

@29:20: British "Times" newspaper run by British Intel - proof? Doesn't hold water with BT.

@30:12: Prince Charles is one of the biggest slum landlords in London where pollution thrives says Coleman. BT says a wild statement which has no credibility and libellous.

@32:18: Coleman claims to be an authority on the Boer War says BT. Queen Victoria did not personally authorise the Boer War it was her Government as the relevant constitutional organ which did so. "BEIC opium trade" in China financed the Boer War says Coleman. BT says yes, the British evolved concentration camps in this cruel war. Sir Alfred Milner (Governor General of SA?) and his deputy was Sir William Butler who discovered a plot being formulated to precipitate the Boer War – Butler so informed Milner in London and after his return to South Africa Sir William Butler was sacked. Per BT a better explanation of the happenings Round Table /CFR etc etc is in Carroll Quigley's "Anglo-American Establishment"

@34:25: drivel about Scottish Rite Freemasonic principles being used in selection of members of the Round Table. BT says Coleman does not understand Freemasonry.

@35:10: Denis Healy and Lord Carrington set up Bildeberg Group in 1954, BT says  Duncan Sandys not known to have had any part in founding the group.

@36:45: SAS mentioned (SIS=Special Intelligence Services - BT thinks this a misprint). An intelligence operative would know the difference.  

@39:02: "MI6 funded privately and out of Queen's money" - no proof. Obsession with monarchy again.

@39:30: Committee of 300 connection with experiments with a royal family member of the Scottish Rite of Freemasons – more later...

@40:01: "a classic" says BT: having mentioned Ogilbie (misspelt again) goes on to mention the Duke of Kent leader of Scottish Rite of Freemasonry "and who takes place of Queen when she is outside UK". Rubbish! Says BT. {Here does BT misunderstand and Coleman meant Duke of Kent deputises for Queen as Head of Freemasonic Scottish Rite not as head of State?} Grand Orient Freemasonry ("Godless Freemasonry" per BT) split off from mainstream in c18th. Per BT Great Queen Street Freemasons main lodge (English Freemasons ) {NB symbolism of the street name: the Great Queen, Semiramis/Isis} are not encouraged or allowed to visit Grand Orient Lodges.  @43:36 BT says his recollection of Albert Pike ("Morals and Dogma") is that Scottish Rite Freemasonry is under the aegis of English Freemasonry not under the Grand Orient – Coleman is totally confused.

@44:00: BT asks what makes the Bronfmann family of industrialists and investors {Jews and owners of Seagram etc} "frontmen" for MI6?? No evidence and irrational.

@44:55: Sir Hartley Shawcross and the Order of Garter, he reported direct to the Queen – he was born 1902 and when this book was written in 1990 was well out of the reckoning another worthless statement. Confusion of de Rothschild and Rothschild.

@46:20: Robert Cecil a member of the Jewish Cecil family – proof? An old English establishment family and not Jewish to BT's knowledge he says.

@47:30: Frank Kitson one time head of IRA Provisionals and who started Mau-Mau insurgency in Kenya. Kitson was born 1926 and in Kenya 1950-55. BT recalls Kitson as being in charge of security in Northern Ireland and having written a book on security. No credibility at all.

@50:00: Quite frankly I think it's a load of drivel says BT.

BT does not understand how such a book which shoes no evidence of having been properly researched could have attained such popularity and status particularly in the USA. {Coleman had evidently been interviewed on the Jeff Rense Program some time before this interview}.

@56:20: BT says he spoke to Captain Bowes-Lyon in the mess years ago who said "not even the great Winston Churchill could get near them [the royal family]". They are into going to provide statements to the likes of Coleman.

@1:01:00: BT says he (BT) is a monarchist and he, Coleman can shut up (laughter) ....




From the document: 23871679-Eustace-Mullins-Exposes-and-legal-actions-1991-97.pdf


-- item #36.)
Some Illuminating Background On The Character "John Coleman" Agent-Agitator Finally Exposed

(Editor's note: Regular readers will recall that much space in the 9/8/92 LIBERATOR was devoted to explaining an insipid array of attacks from one "Dr. John Coleman" aka John Clarke and likely actually one Joseph Pavlonski, of Russian Khazarian origin. It seems that some of the excellent sources "Coleman" "borrowed" material from have seen fit to discuss this colorful character and in so doing, provide an illuminating -- if sadly destructive -- pattern of activity we would share with our readers. The following is an extract from an article purportedly by Eustace Mullins in Lawrence Patterson's publication Criminal Politics for July or August of 1992.)

Here are the results of my [Mullins'] study:
about 30% of his material was lifted from my own writings and about 70% was stolen from Lyndon Larouche publications. Principally, Coleman would rely on feature articles in the Executive Intelligence Review magazine. The material was simply rewritten by Coleman and crudely puffed up to five or six times its original length. Unfortunately, Warner never noticed.
...
Great Success... In Spreading Discord!
Coleman was achieving great success in spreading consternation and discord throughout the conservative network. I began to realize his true motives. Rather than a greedy confidence artist -- with an ability to rewrite other's materials as his own -- it became obvious to me and to those that knew him, that he was more than likely a highly trained double agent, whose handlers would unleash the "attack dog" on an unprepared patriot community a step at a time. One source I have spoken with claimed that he has been trained in Israel by a Mossad unit -- and had been known there as Joseph Pavlonsky.

We later discovered that he entered the United States on an English passport recorded by the INS as #A20211168 issued to "John Clarke." Interestingly, when Warner accompanied him to get a driver's license in Louisiana, he claimed he had applied for a social security number although none was forthcoming. Even though he had been in the United States for almost a decade, he had been driving in the Western states on a Louisiana license, and had never obtained a U.S. green card or work permit.
...
Under the auspices of George Green's Phoenix Journal Express, and America West publishers of Tehachapi, California, Coleman finally published his first and only book "The Committee of Three Hundred". After examining this book, it has proven to be the usual amalgam of his borrowings from my various textbooks and, again, from the Larouche magazine.
...
A Potent Agitator... Working Against America!
Whatever the truth or falsity of the claims of Dr. John Coleman (alias John Clarke, alias Pavlonksy), it is clear that he is a potent agitator working among American conservative publishers....

He has constantly sown seeds of discord and hate for his own devious purposes and will undoubtedly continue to pit patriot against patriot for as long as he is allowed to betray, impede and infiltrate without exposure. Hopefully, this article which has been submitted to Criminal Politics magazine of which I am a contributing editor, will help to expose John Coleman as a foreign agent.

Acknowledgments to CRIMINAL POLITICS, P.O. Box 37432, Cincinnati, Ohio, 45222, USA.
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[Whaler]

Coleman-critique info on YouTube prompts me to follow up leads kindly supplied here and elsewhere and to place it here and in another Coleman related thread as it does seem to cast doubt upon him beyond merely impressionistic reservations:

Dr Barry Turner on Dr John Coleman


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Cool, I posted this on my blog.

Dr John Coleman Debunked(again)
http://thewhaler.wordpress.com/