The Off Tangent Show #8 with your host Latin

[LatinAmericanview]

Special guest Agent Joe Blow discusses the linguistic roots of Yiddish. Part two of the show deals with the abstract nature of history. What is history?

Topic covered

Jewish Kingdom

Yiddish Roots

Agent Joe Blowman

TwiceBorn

TIU

History

Orwell

Arthur Koestler

Propaganda

Leo Strauss
ftp://truthdb.org/pub/lav/revisedofft8(1).mp3

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[joeblow]

The link doesn't work, by the way, I'll show you how have a nicer distribution technique with internet radio sites.

[Canard]

It works fine you filthy liar!!!

[LatinAmericanview]

It is working Agent Joe Blow!  By the way you sound great!

[joeblow]

I'm sorry, it's work, but not in Firefox 3, it's fine in Internet Explorer.

[Anonymous]

LMAO... eoowoeowoe we are the sons of avraham eoeoeooeheo.  You so sexy!  hehehe  IMF Agent BlowMan report.

And yes, Khazar/Chazar is pronounced Cos(tume)Czar.

About the covering on the head, specifically the meaning canopy, canopy is very important in philology, I will explain in the next post.

Here is what Mr. Benjamin Freedman has to say in "Facts are Facts" about the "Yiddish" (so-called self-styled "Jews") (my notes):

-Khazar language, "Asiatic dialects without any alphabet or any written form"
-Hebrew characters become the alphabet for the Khazar language, providing a written record of their speech, much like western European uncivilized nations adopted Latin alphabet.  Romans invaded western Europe brought their culture to French, English, Spanish.  Although using the same base for their alphabet, the languages were foreign from each other.  Hebrew was introduced in the same way with rabbis and the letters used in the Talmud.
-since Russian conquest, Yiddish became the language of the Khazars
-for 600 years, "identified themselves as "Yiddish" rather than as Russian, Polish, Galician, Lithuanian, Rumanian, Hungarian or by the nation of which they were citizens."
- "Khazars added many words to its limited ancient vocabulary"
-" adapted words to their requirements form the German, the Slavonic and the Baltic languages"
-" great number of words from the German language"
-" "Yiddish" must not be confused with "Hebrew" because they both use the same characters as their alphabets. There is not one word of "Yiddish" in ancient "Hebrew" nor is there one word of ancient "Hebrew" in "Yiddish"."
-" they are as totally different as Swedish and Spanish which both likewise use the same Latin characters for their alphabets."
-AS English is a cultural tie in the USA for the people, so is Yiddish for the so-called Jews of eastern Europe.
-" "Yiddish" is the modern language of a nation which has lost its existence as a nation. "Yiddish" never had a religious implication, although using Hebrew characters for its alphabet. It must not be confused with words like "Jewish"."
-820ad, Slavic state created near Gulf of Finland.  10-13th centuries expanded, conquered many, including Khazars and neighbors, over 9million sq miles.  Yiddish into Russia.
-13thC, wars caused Russia to cede terrirtory to "Poland, Lithuania, Galicia, Hungary, Rumania, and Austria acquired from Russia territory originally a part of the Khazar Kingdom."  Yiddish in those countries.
-Khazar conversion did for Talmudism what Rome did for Christianity. Without Khazaria, the Jewish religion would only be a fraction of what it is today.


I hope you can get a hold of twiceborn. He was willing to do an interview with Og when I last PMed him, I passed it over to Og but apparently it didn't go anywhere...

And as usual, good show

[Anonymous]

I am not doing justice to the work by Allegro.  The book has too much info, I can only post briefly some of the connections and their relation to each other symbolically or philologically.  I recommend you get the book and read it.

From:
"The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross"; John Marco Allegro; Doubleday & Company; Inc.;  Garden City, New York; 1970.

 

The mushroom has always been a thing of mystery. The ancients were puzzled by its manner of
growth without seed, the speed with which it made its appearance after rain, and its as rapid
disappearance. Born from a volva or "egg" it appears like a small penis, raising itself like the
human organ sexually aroused, and when it spread wide its canopy the old botanists saw it as a
phallus bearing the "burden" of a woman's groin. Every aspect of the mushroom's existence was
fraught with sexual allusions, and in its phallic form the ancients saw a replica of the fertility god himself.  It was the "son of God", its drug was a purer form of the god's own spermatozoa than that discoverable in any other form of living matter. It was, in fact, God himself, manifest on earth. To the mystic it was the divinely given means of entering heaven; God had come down in the flesh to show the way to himself, by himself.

pp. xv

The most forceful spurting of this "seed" is accompanied by thunder and the shrieking wind.3 This is the "voice" of God.4 Somewhere above the sky a mighty penis5 reaches an orgasm that shakes the heavens. The "lips" of the penis-tip, the glans, open, and the divine seed shoots forth and is borne by the wind to earth. As saliva can be seen mixed with breath during forceful human speech, so the "speaking"6 of the divine penis is accompanied by a powerful blast of wind, the holy, creative spirit,7 bearing the "spittle" of semen.8

pp. 20-21


5- Sumerian ISKUR "the storm god"  = Semetic Adad "Mighty Father"

The fertility aspect of divine and royal shepherding can be seen in another Sumerian word for
"shepherd" which appears right across the ancient world in names and epithets. It is SIPA,
literally, "stretched horn", or "penis".18 We may now recognize it in the biblical phrase Yahweh
Sabaoth, from SIPA-UD, penis of the storm •19 The Sumerian storm-god, Iskur, has a name with
much the same meaning, "mighty penis".So Among the Semites he was known as Adad,
"Mighty Father", with the same general idea of the great fecundator of the skies.21
...
Over in Asia Minor, this Old Testament divine title appears in classical times
as an old cultic cry to the Phrygian deity Sabazios, euoi saboi. The name of the god itself is
composed of the same Sumerian SIPA to which has been added the element ZI, "erect".23 This is
just one example of how we can now span the whole area of our study and bring together
apparently quite disparate religious cults simply through being able to decipher the names and
epithets of the respective gods.

pp. 24


Hebrew Tsabaot -> Greek Sabaoth "military epithet of God"

Hebrew Tsabah, "swell, specifically to array an army against"
Num 5:27, "her belly shall swell"
Swell, having to do with the womb, penis and the mushroom.

"The olive, fig, and vine are too busy giving of their fruits to men, and in desperation the trees ask the diminutive mushroom (as we may now most probably identify the plant), who insists that in that case they must all take refuge under its canopy, that is, that they treat him as their protector, king indeed."

pp. 38

Judges 9:14-15, bramble plant as canopy to protect, shade:

Jdg 9:14  Then said all the trees unto the bramble, Come thou, and reign over us.
Jdg 9:15  And the bramble said unto the trees, If in truth ye anoint me king over you, then come and put your trust in my shadow: and if not, let fire come out of the bramble, and devour the cedars of Lebanon.

Jon 4:6  And the LORD God prepared a gourd, and made it to come up over Jonah, that it might be a shadow over his head, to deliver him from his grief. So Jonah was exceeding glad of the gourd.
Jon 4:7  But God prepared a worm when the morning rose the next day, and it smote the gourd that it withered.

Jonah has significant meaning, Bar-jonas (Peter's surname) to Greek Barionas and Paionia, Paeony "Holy Plant", title of Apollo Paian.

In seeking for mushroom folk-names and epithets, one of our main sources obviously will be its
distinctive shape of a slender stem supporting an arched canopy, like a sunshade. This
characteristic was made much of in mythology, like the Jotham and Jonah stories already referred
to. Extended to gigantic proportions this figure is reflected in such imagery as huge men like
Atlas holding up the canopy of heaven, or of mountains like Olympus serving the dual function of
supporting the sky and providing a connecting link between the gods and earth.2°
One of the ways we can now identify the Mandrake as the mushroom is that one of its
Greeknames, Antimimon, is traceable to a Sumerian original, meaning "heavenly shade", a
reference to the canopy of the opened fungus. Incidentally, the same root,* GIG—AN-TI, gave
the Greek gigantes, and in English, "giants", in pursuance of the imagery of the "giant" holding
aloft the arch of heaven.21

pp. 40



Other mushroom allusions are things forming a T, such as certain birds wings and the relation to hermaphrodites:

The swan is another of the fertility birds. Possibly its long curved neck seemed to represent the vaginal passage, whilst its white body was the uterus and its outstretched wings were the Fallopian tubes. The Greek and Latin names for the bird, through which we received our "cygnet", are pod-names, derived from a Sumerian *GUG...NU,25 "seed pod". In classical mythology, Zeus takes the form of a swan to mate with Leda, and from the union she was delivered of an egg from which came the heroine-goddess Helen and her twin brothers Castor and Pollux. The whole of this story is mushroom-inspired as we shall see, and the very common twin mythology of the ancient world comes directly out of the mushroom cult.
When the egg or volva of the mushroom splits into two, one half is left in the ground, the other forced upwards by the expanding stem or phallus, borne aloft as a canopy towards the sky. In those simplified terms, anyway, the old myth-makers saw the development of the fungus, and from that conception they formulated many stories and characters having to do with twin children, bearing names related to the "womb" and the "penis". When the offspring are combined into one person, like Adonis, Apollo, Dionysus, and so on, he is often pictured as a beautiful, rather effeminate youth, a favourite theme of the classical sculptors. On occasion, this person is a Hermaphrodite, a mixture of both sexes, the prime example of which was, as the name implies, the offspring of Hermes (Sumerian *ERUM..US1I, "erect penis")26 and Aphrodite (*A_BURU_DA_TI, "organ of fecundity", that is, the "womb").27 In the following chapter we shall look at some "twin" stories derived from the "hermaphrodite"28 mushroom, and at the symbolism it evoked.

pp. 96


The palm-tree has philological roots with the mushroom canopy concept as well.

Sumerian's common name for the palm-tree, GIShIMMAR, like the cognate Hebrew tamar, contains the element MAR, representing an inverted "V" shape. So it appears in words for the head of a double-axe or mattock, for a rainbow, and for a woman's crutch, or womb.'3 The Hebrew word and its cognates extend to forms like a sign-post, a column of smoke spreading into a "mushroom-cloud" at the top. The "small palm-tree" forms a significant part of the Temple decorations (I Kgs 6:29).14
The close relationship in imagery between a mushroom and a palm- tree may help us to understand a curious reference in Pliny's description of the Essenes by the Dead Sea. He says that having renounced all sexual pleasures in their ascetic existence, they contented themselves with the "company of palm-trees" (socia palmarum).'5 Even the female variety of the palm one would have thought was hardly adequate consolation for celibacy. It is more likely that our author had heard that the cult centred around the "Phoenix-fungus" or "-gourd" and he knew the name only as referring to the tree.

Accadian marru = mattock, T-shaped tool.
Accadian marratu = rainbow


Heaven is also a canopy or arch above protecting the earth.  Mount Hermon is the Canaanite equivalent to Mount Olympus that held up the heavens, supporter of the heavenly arch.  Jerusalem is also connected as a heavenly supporter.


I hope you can see the point I am trying to make in the connection between languages such as Sumerian, Accadian, Hebrew and Greek.  All the "religious", theological, deity worship, etc, is all tied together.  It all started with fertility/phallic and mushrooms.  Secret teachings made into stories, and then the meanings got lost as the mystery teachings are held back due to human greed and ego for power of such teachings.  Get the book, since my explanation is probably so shitty for someone to read these concepts for the first time.  http://egodeath.com/ is a great site with this type of stuff relating to entheogens and religions, and more.

[kolnidre]

It was great to hear Agent Blow's voice. Nice work, too.

I'm especially fascinated by the Bavarian connection you touch on, especially as concerns the "Goth" element. Couldn't that be the origin of the "Gotha" element of the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (Windsor) family? That could serve as the basis for the royal family's claims to the bloodline of David (British Israelism), in which case it would be fraudulent as it would have a Khazarian origin. Hence the royal family's own mohel...

[LatinAmericanview]

It was great to hear Agent Blow's voice. Nice work, too.

I'm especially fascinated by the Bavarian connection you touch on, especially as concerns the "Goth" element. Couldn't that be the origin of the "Gotha" element of the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (Windsor) family? That could serve as the basis for the royal family's claims to the bloodline of David (British Israelism), in which case it would be fraudulent as it would have a Khazarian origin. Hence the royal family's own mohel...

I don't know but the story becomes a little more than just the Jews or the Judaized Khazars.  BY THE WAY UPDATED -REVISED OFF TANGENT SHOW IS UP!  better sound quality

[joeblow]

http://home.swipnet.se/~w-66679/khazaria/khazdoc.html

Along with warfare, diplomacy, taxation and trade there was of course a great lingual and cultural as well as religious and ideological exchange. The Jewish Khazar Kingdom comprised a manyfold variety in combination with "hellenistic" openness in all aspects of human cultural life. A Khazar official could be of Turk, Slav, Greek, Rûs, Arab, Goth, Roman and Magyar ethnical origin. They then just had to be multilingual and capable of communicating with all these "nationalities". General Turkish, "lingua cumana", was surely used among the Turk tribes, as Roman-Greek in the Black sea region and Hebrew among Jewish scholars and rabbis. Every subgroup surely maintained their native tongue, but the demand for a general and common language gradually increased.

[Canard]

Great show Latin, im going to listen again, I really have too much praise so ill get back to you after the second listen.  Good job Agent Joe Blowman, would love to hear more of your research into the historic aspect of this story.  Good linguistic insight aswell. Shouts to my buddy Kol Nidre.

[joeblow]

http://home.swipnet.se/~w-66679/khazaria/khazdoc.html

Trading and administrative Jews and Jewish Khazars, and possibly other officials as well, in cooperation and interchange with Frankic, Hungarian-Austrian, Slavic, Rûs, Gothic and Greek merchantry, had already begun to develope a common "lingua comerca" consisting of mainly early "pre-German" influences from Gothic, Austrian, Rûs and "lingua franca", spoken by Franks and Radhanite merchant Jews. A major influx of Hebrew, Slavic and some "lingua cumana", of course, was also merged into this "synthetic" and, in many respects, neutral language.

[kolnidre]

Thanks for the links and food for thought, Blowman. Looks like I have some research to do.

[LatinAmericanview]

Don't forget to share! Maybe you could suggest some research topics and interests?  This is open to everyone

[Anonymous]

http://www.hebrewhistory.info/factpaper ... hazars.htm

Chinese tomb figure of a mounted foreigner, late 7th to early 8th century. The so-called "silk route" across Central Asia was pioneered a thousand years earlier by Persian Jews. Seventeen hundred years later Marco Polo followed the same route and achieved fame by relating his adventures in a Genovese jail to a fellow prisoner who happened to be a scribe. The statue depicts a "Ferghana" horse, a breed employed in Persia; the heavily bearded rider bears distinctly Semitic features (as interpreted by the Chinese sculptor). The Judaic/Persian entrepreneurs traded with the Turkic tribes at trading posts along the route. Among these nomadic tribes were the Khazars, who obtained agricultural and technological skills from the Judaic traders. The Khazar kings, nobility and many tribesmen converted to Judaism and the Khazars became a sedentary nation. Together with their Judaic compatriots they advanced civilization throughout Russia and Transylvania.
Photograph by courtesy of the Ontario Museum, George Crofts collection.

Oh, how silly of me.  Boy do I feel stupid not knowing this sculpture was obviously that of a Semite.  Especially since it is so clear that the Chinese scluptor was making it in that interpretation.  How dumb of me not to realize that.  Am I ever glad to have been educated there...  WTF is this moron talking about "distinctly Semitic features"... who the fuck is he kidding.  And this is "reputable" history?  When you invent intentions the sculptor was trying to portray in a sculpture... how deluded must you be!  Even if he was Semitic, as if a god-damn sculpture is going to tell you that!

[GordZilla]

Latin,

 What the heck was that? You left me absolutely nothing to debate you on!      ... Good show!

-Gord

P.S> Were those Orwell quotes from Homage to Catalonia? If so that's weird, I'm currently reading that novel. He wrote much about Spanish civil war propaganda ... much of which was similar to what you referenced.  You're right to be skeptical of Orwell, not sure of him myself either.

P.S.S> There is no Biblical claim, at all, for the Land of Israel - other than it was Jacob's. So Khazars or not, they don't belong there.

[Anonymous]

George Orwell: 'Looking back on the Spanish War'
Latin's Blog
Source

[LatinAmericanview]

Latin,

 What the heck was that? You left me absolutely nothing to debate you on!      ... Good show!

-Gord

P.S> Were those Orwell quotes from Homage to Catalonia? If so that's weird, I'm currently reading that novel. He wrote much about Spanish civil war propaganda ... much of which was similar to what you referenced.  You're right to be skeptical of Orwell, not sure of him myself either.

P.S.S> There is no Biblical claim, at all, for the Land of Israel - other than it was Jacob's. So Khazars or not, they don't belong there.

I will do a little segment o Orwell.  next show!

[kolnidre]

Don't forget to share! Maybe you could suggest some research topics and interests?  This is open to everyone

I presume that was directed at me. I have a research angle I'm working on that  look forward to sharing as soon as I can. I'm mostly interested in how China fits into this whole thing - especially going forward.

[GordZilla]

George Orwell: 'Looking back on the Spanish War'
Latin's Blog
Source

Yes I heard it was from one of his essay's but that novel is about the spanish civil war, I was wondering if Orwell was sourcing from that, or vice vera ... just to see if there were references to it. But it's irrelevant in the end.

-Gord

[Alloces]

Something is wrong with that link I guess.  I can see [url] bracketing it.  Maybe my IE is having trouble downloading it because of that?  No clue.  But can someone provide a sendspace link?  

Thanks!

[LatinAmericanview]

new link

ftp://truthdb.org/pub/lav/revisedofft8(1).mp3

[Anonymous]

I fixed the link on the first post

[Anonymous]

George Orwell: 'Looking back on the Spanish War'
Latin's Blog
Source

This was a really good book by Orwell, It opened my eyes to the Spanish Civil War and Orwell's molding

http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/we ... =olbp25600

Homage to Catalonia

[Anonymous]

Interesting show, I don't know what to make of it yet.

I heard that Arthur was a mi6 agent paid to write.

the red hair - struck a chord, i recall a show on a china mummy of a rich aryan type with red hair that was 6 foot plus



A National Geographic Special about the mysterious 4,000 year old Caucasian Mummies found in China will air on The National Geographic Channel

[LatinAmericanview]

Good I am glad!  We should have questions and problems.  I think very little research has been done to tie all these string together.  Side Bar: there is also a legend about christ living in China. I also should mention that there are legends discussing white men in the America´s well before 1492.  Remember there are stories of the vikings reaching the Americas about 1000AD.  Honestly we have no idea of the things we don´t know.

[Anonymous]

Good I am glad!  We should have questions and problems.  I think very little research has been done to tie all these string together.  Side Bar: there is also a legend about christ living in China. I also should mention that there are legends discussing white men in the America´s well before 1492.  Remember there are stories of the vikings reaching the Americas about 1000AD.  Honestly we have no idea of the things we don´t know.

Yeah the Jordan Maxwell and AJ show was discussing this. At the end of the day does it matter if they were huns or khazars or german death cult. many have Jewish names today and change names like underwear, and are not semites.  I like the Joe McCarthy term JACKALS - it covers everything.

Anyway interesting show.

[clark-kent]

if no one said anything to me and asked what I thought,  I would say it was a Mongul , thats just me

[clark-kent]

I can't download the show  :cry:

[joeblow]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 4882&hl=en

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