Senator Assasinated?

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Father Brown

I was over at Daryl's site and saw this intriguing headline.

QuoteTop US Senator Assassinated As Obama "Weather War" Plunges World Into Chaos

Unfortunately, when I click on it, Internet Explorer won't let me go to the page.

Can anyone post the contents?

Thanks.

Whaler

Top US Senator Assassinated As Obama "Weather War" Plunges World Into Chaos
Posted on Pakalert on August 21, 2010

http://www.pakalertpress.com/2010/08/21 ... nto-chaos/

A new report prepared for Prime Minister Putin by Russia's foreign military intelligence directorate (GRU) states that a former top United States Senator, Ted Stevens, was assassinated this week after he attempted to gather evidence "proving" that President Obama has unleashed America's devastating "weather weapons" against the World.

As we had previously reported on in our  reports titled "PakistanFlood: HAARP Used in Pakistan?" and "Russia Burns, China Drowns: US To Blame?" Russian research scientist Dr. Andrey Areshev has joined the ranks of International scientists and experts stating their belief that the extreme weather chaos currently battering our Planet is being caused by the Tesla technology based weapons systems directed from Alaska's High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program, otherwise known as HAARP.

Now according to this GRU report, Senator Stevens was approached less than a fortnight ago by his longtime friend and Alaskan bush pilot Theron "Terry" Smith whose son-in-law, Alaskan Air National Guard Major Aaron W. Malone, was killed on July 28th after having his C-17 US Military aircraft "targeted" by a HAARP "Tesla Beam" while in the air over Anchorage, Alaska causing it to crash and explode upon impact killing all aboard. [Note: The Russian translation for "targeted" as used in this report does not assign HAARP blame as it includes an "accidental" verb component.]

Upon Senator Stevens beginning his investigation into HAARP's causing the crash of the Major Malone's C-17, this report continues, he enlisted the aid of two powerful Washington power brokers, oil fortune heir William "Bill" Phillips Sr. and former NASA administrator Sean O'Keefe.

Phillips was a longtime ally and supporter of Senator Stevens and as the heir to the Phillips Petroleum fortune is said in these reports to have in the past used his vast fortune to privately finance US intelligence "activities" to support his countries efforts to gain access to Global oil reserves.

Phillips had long warned Americans that the United States does not have any big oil companies. And it's true: the largest American oil company, Exxon Mobil, is only the 14th largest in the World and is dwarfed by the really big oil companies — all owned by foreign governments or government- sponsored monopolies — that dominate the World's oil supply.

With 94% of the World's oil supply locked up by foreign governments, most of which are hostile to the United States, the relatively puny American oil companies do not have access to enough crude oil to significantly affect the market and help bring prices down. Thus, ExxonMobil, a "small" oil company, buys 90% of the crude oil that it refines for the US market from the big players, i.e., mostly-hostile foreign governments.

O'Keefe was the former administrator for the Untied States space agency NASA from 2001-2005, and whose reign included the Space Shuttle Columbia disaster that occurred on February 1, 2003, when upon its reentry into Earth's atmosphere disintegrated over Texas, and which this report says O'Keefe "always" blamed on HAARP because at the exact time of this tragedy it had begun transmitting in what is called "deep sea communication mode".

[Note: During the "Navy Deep-Sea Communication" operational mode, the shortwave radio pulses are all, with military precision, exactly 6.25 seconds long with either exactly 15 or 30 second spaces between pulses. Those long and short binary spaces in between the pulses are actually the coded message. Something like the dits and dahs of very slow Morse code. In this mode, the power is usually at maximum. Unlike the research mode, which mostly runs at night, the US Navy communication mode can be at any time of the day or night, any month of the year. The transmissions may run continuously for about 10 to 30 hours, or from one to several days.

Following the 9-11 World Trade Center attack, and just minutes after the President declared the highest Defense Condition Four (DefCon4), HAARP began transmitting at highest power for 18 hours in "deep-sea communication" mode. This is the only way to communicate the DefCon4 condition and updated battle commands to the US nuclear submarines on station miles deep in the ocean.]

The various transmission ranges of HAARP are important to note, this report says, as "immediately prior" to Senator Stevens plane going down Russian satellites orbiting over the Arctic detected a "powerful" 3.39 megahertz signal emanating from HAARP's Copper Valley Area, Gakona, Alaska base and "directed" over the region this tragedy occurred in.

According to US news reports Phillips was killed in this crash [photo above] and O'Keefe is in hospital in critical condition, and with Senator Stevens being killed also means their investigation into HAARP has died along with them.

To the chaos erupting all over the World as the result of Obama's allowing the use of these catastrophic HAARP "weather weapons" it can only be described as being "biblical" in the apocalyptic destruction it is causing, and which includes:

    * The greatest heatwave and destructive fires Russia has experienced in over 1,000 years.
    * The greatest flooding Central Europe has experienced in over 800 years.
    * Flooding in Pakistan so epic the United Nations has named this megadisaster as being worse than the 2004 tsunami that shattered the Indian Ocean basin.
    * Flooding so catastrophic in China the death toll is soaring into the thousands.
    * A heatwave so terrible in Japan it has caused its hospitals to be flooded with over 21,000 heatstroke victims.
    * A heatwave of unprecedented proportions that has gripped the eastern and southern parts of the United States this summer and shows no signs of abating.
    * Temperatures so low in the western United States that farmers in California are now reporting their fruits and vegetables are being destroyed.
    * A catastrophic drought hitting Africa that has put over 10 million people in immediate danger of starvation death.
    * A catastrophic winter occurring in South America that has killed in Bolivia alone between 3-6 million fish and thousands of cattle in Brazil, and hundreds of people.

To what is linking these Global weather catastrophes we can read as reported by Britain's Channel 4 News science correspondent Tom Clarke who in his video report titled "Turbo-Charged Monsoon Confounds Forecasters" states:

"Normally the jet stream is a giant loop of high speed winds that whip round the upper atmosphere. The jet stream isn't involved in day to day weather – it's too high up – but because it pushes the atmosphere around it's very important in steering large scale weather patterns below.

The stream has split in two. One arm has gone north, another south. The patch in the middle is Russia's drought. A circulating pattern of air has been sitting over Russia for far longer than normal, causing the extreme temperatures and wildfires they've had there.

But what's happening over Pakistan is even stranger. The southern arm of the Jet stream has looped down so far it has crossed over the Himalayas into north western Pakistan. Experts at the Met Office tell me this is very unusual.

And the result is that the fast moving jets stream winds high up has helped suck the warm, wet, monsoon air even faster and higher into the atmosphere – and that has caused rains like no-one can remember. It has turbo charged the monsoon if you like. They're not sure that's ever happened before."

To HAARP's ability to affect our Earth's jet streams we can further read from a report prepared in the 1990's by the US Air Force and which, in part, states:

"HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program), being constructed for the Air Force and Navy by an ARCO subsidiary, is such a project. Touted as scientific research, HAARP is a thinly disguised project to "perturb" the ionosphere with extremely powerful beams of energy to see what military uses it can serve. According to the HAARP RFP, these energy beams will be used to "control ionospheric processes in such a way as to greatly enhance the performance of C3 systems (or, to deny accessibility to an adversary)." That sounds like a weapon to this writer. Other such projects go by the code names BIME, RED AIR, CRRES, EXCEDE, CHARGE IV, WISP, ACTIVE, HIPAS, RADC, AIM, etc..

Nuclear bombs exploded in high altitude tests in the late fifties and early sixties by both the U.S.S.R. and the U.S. caused weather and jet stream changes that lasted almost 20 years. Do the HAARP heaters offer the same potential as they "perturb" the ionosphere? The ionosphere is home to many beneficial natural phenomena among them filtering the sun's harmful rays and reflecting radio waves used for communications. Although not totally understood, the ionosphere also directly effects the weather systems and the jet streams."

To the reasons for Obama unleashing of HAARP weapons upon our World we had touched on in our reports "Pakistan Flood: HAARP Used in Pakistan?" and "Russia Burns, China Drowns: US To Blame?" and though not conclusive contains:

    * The catastrophic flooding in China and apocalyptic heat and fires in Russia put both of these US enemies in the position of having to ask the Americans for food aid as their summer crops are being destroyed on an unprecedented basis.
    * The epic flooding occurring in Pakistan is effectively destroying that Nations ability to both feed and defend itself and whom Obama has labeled as one of the Americans number one enemies.
    * The devastating heat occurring in the United States will enable Obama to push through the US Congress a "Global Warming" tax agenda many believe will be the "final nail" needed to destroy the United States as a major World Power.

Alert: The 2010 Food Crisis IS HERE – Are We Ready?

To the "unintended consequences" of Obama's "weather war" against the World we can now only glimpse as the wholesale destruction of summer crops in the Northern Hemisphere is now warned will cause food riots as inflationary pressures upon what little food is left to feed our Planet can very well push us all into Total Global War.

And finally, though we do not know what the outcome of these momentous events will be, it is in our knowing to warn, that above all else, everyone reading these words should make the storing of food their top priority as this Summer of Woe will surely become a Winter of Discontent.

Father Brown

Thanks much, Whaler.

This is very interesting indeed. I did not even know about the rains and flooding in Pakistan for a good ten days. I have been on personal media blackout for awhile. But, still you would think I would hear of this even when tuning in to sports radio, and the limited radio I do tune into as of late.

Either way, when first I heard of this devastating flooding, my first thought was that either weather may have been created, or sewer systems sabotaged, or both. Ironic that when they are talking about going after Pakistan, all of a sudden it becomes incapacitated.

Now this story puts a whole new level of intrigue on to the immediate situation.

Looks to me that India is going to be headquarters on one side, a bookend if you will, and Israel will be the other bookend. And this scum will not rest until they have everything in between and take away Pakistan's nukes.

Whaler

Yeah, very fishy.

I believe the US military(controlled by the Jewish crime syndicate) has a few secret weapons. I hear about "secret weapons" being alluded to in the MSM and the alternative news media. The question always is, "why don't they use it in Iraq or Afghanistan? The answer is: Afghanistan and Iraq are insurgent and guerrilla wars. The objective in these wars is to control the population and set up stable puppet governments.  Weather weaponry would be close to useless because the goal in these wars is to stabilize the country, not to destroy infrastructure and create chaos.(that's Mossad's job  :) )    

However in an old school super power war(ww1 & ww2) the weather weapon would be absolutely devastating. Shutting down food supply, flooding, wildfires. The US( just hessian soldiers for the Rothschild crime syndicate) could render an opponent impotent before a missile was fired. All the enemy could do was speculate and accuse without any hard evidence. In my opinion, this is why the Zionist Israeli Jews are acting so bold in regards to Iran. They have a Jew zio puppet president, control both the house and the senate, control the US media and control the printing of the money...and apparently have control over a devastating weather weapon that can destroy countries.

If Ted Stevens was really going to look into this HAARP program, then he would have been eliminated instantly. These black op shadow government programs are the play things of the international Jewish bankers ...even presidents don't have access to some of them.

jai_mann

I would like people to note that the Soviets had the Tesla atmospheric systems in place back in the 50's. It was associated with what radio operators, in a certain band, called the wood pecker signal. They have had this technology in place far longer and could damn well be the ones using it on the public.

Let us keep in mind that the Bolsheviks were led by Jews. The soviet union run by Jews/Masonic network. The best technology from US inventors, and other countries has been put to use in the communist regimes (where jews/ masons rule with an iron fist). People are WAY WAY too focused on the US HAARP program and treat it as if it is UNIQUE. It is not unique, nor is it the only system of that type in use.

The hierarchical systems which are literally "corporations" need to be torn to the ground. When mega systems are put into place which allows for control over people they will always be targeted by sociopathic pieces of shit like the talmudists and masons and others, who are FULL OF ARROGANCE.

CrackSmokeRepublican

After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

CrackSmokeRepublican

Hurricane Erin:

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/erin/erin2.html

Keep an eye these two:

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphic ... 0#contents


Interesting Physics:



QuoteFigure 17. None of these three silver cars appear to have tumbled. The silver car on the far left appears totally unharmed. The silver car on the right appears to have a broken back window, but no other damage. How could the first and third cars be virtually undammaged if the middle car had blown in from elsewhere? If that middle car had been parked there, how could it have been flipped up and rotated while the other cars remained virtually undamaged? And, where did that wood structure come from? Why didn't it damage the parking lot if it had been blown through there? (Hurricane Wilma)
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/erin/erin3.html

Electrical Origination? Mars has dust devils without much atmosphere...




Dust devils may pose a threat by themselves, but they are also a symptom of a bigger problem - atmospheric turbulence. During the Martian day, sunlight heats the surface of Mars, which heats the air near the surface and makes it rise. Rising columns of air can knock a spacecraft off course in the same way they jolt an airplane in flight here on Earth. "When astronauts are trying to land on or takeoff from Mars, they will want to know the atmospheric conditions as accurately as possible. An instrument based on our LIDAR system will tell them," said Farrell.

This eye toward future Mars exploration is what is driving the team's research. "By observing dust devils here on Earth, we hope to get detailed requirements for an instrument that will measure them on Mars. This will give us a lot more data on Martian dust devils, so we can accurately estimate how much of a problem they will be for human explorers," said Bos.

http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/sol ... devil.html
QuoteElectrical Discharges inside Tornados

Any farmer from America's "tornado alley (Oklahoma and Kansas, primarily)" will testify to the extreme violence of a tornado vortex.

Tornados are associated with electrical storms. Scientists have been arguing for years as to whether storm electricity helps spawn tornados and whether electrical effects are important attributes of the funnels. The first eyewitness account is descriptive of obvious electrical activity inside a funnel. The second bit of testimony is even more interesting since it describes long vertical light columns (like "neon tubes) associated with tornado funnels. The tubes tie in with occasional observations of aurora-like columns above distant thunderstorms.

A farmer living near Greensburg, Kansas on 22 June 1928 had the rare "privilege" of looking right up into a tornado funnel while standing at the entrance of his cyclone cellar.

"As I paused to look I saw that the lower end, which had been sweeping the ground, was beginning to rise. I knew what that meant, so I kept my position. I knew that I was comparatively safe and I knew that if the tornado again dipped I could drop down and close the door before any harm could be done.

"At last the great shaggy end of the funnel hung directly overhead. Everything was as still as death. There was a strong gassy odor and it seemed that I could not breathe. There was a screaming, hissing sound coming directly from the end of the funnel.

"I looked up and to my astonishment I saw right up into the heart of the tornado!

"There was a circular opening in the center of the funnel, about 50 or 100 feet in diameter, and extending straight upward for a distance of at least 1&Mac218;2 mile, as best I could judge under the circumstances. The walls of this opening were of rotating clouds and the whole was made brilliantly visible by constant flashes of lightning which zigzagged from side to side." (Monthly Weather Review, 58: 205, 1930)

Figure 46.
Source: webpage:

The 25 May 1955 tornado at Blackwell, Oklahoma, was a particularly strong tornado. Lee Hunter saw the light-column effect vividly.

"The funnel from the cloud to the ground was lit up. It was a steady, deep blue light - very bright. It had an orange color fire in the centre from the cloud to the ground. As it came along my field, it took a swath about 100 yards wide. As it swung from left to right, it looked like a giant neon tube in the air or a Bagman at a railroad crossing. As it swung along the ground level, the orange fire or electricity would gush out from the bottom of the funnel, and the updraft would take it up in the air causing a terrific light - and it was gone!" (Journal of Meteorology, 14:284, 1957)

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QuoteII.4. Mechanism of tornado The absence of answers in the limits of traditional conception sets us to turn to  a new conception of tornado.
The numerous evidences of the association tornado with ball lightning, which is according to our conception nothing else as a defect of the physical vacuum, allow to  attract the same model of a polarisation medium for an explanation of tornado. In this case a spin polarisation will play the greatest role among all possible polarisation properties of a physical vacuum.

    In this connection let us recall  the experiment of Einstein-de-Haas where  rotation of a  ferromagnetic placed in a constant magnetic field was demonstrated. This effect is explained by the fact that spins of a ferromagnetic initially oriented in an arbitrary way, under the action of a magnetic field have obtained a  primary orientation in a field direction. And if in an initial state  a  summary momentum of all spins  equaled to zero then in a magnetic field  it  had some non-zero value. According to the momentum theorem this leads to the rotation of a crystalline lattice in a direction opposite to spins. Beyond that point the inner moments of spins cause tangential stresses generating the torsional deformation of a ferromagnetic.

 It is interesting to note that in this experiment the microscopic processes which are studied only by the quantum mechanics manifested themselves in a macroscopic process.

    This well known effect didn't draw attention of neither physicists nor  technicians for the reason that the torsion stresses are very small. A completely different  situation obtains when a medium is a vacuum domain. According to our model a parent cloud of tornado beside its observable part has an unobservable part in the form of a vacuum domain. Under a joint action of gravitational and electrical field, which in a  storm-cloud achieves a value in a hundreds of millions of volts, thin long vacuum domains  with high density of defects are being stretched out from a domain. Spin polarisation of such a domain causes the rotation of a tornado's funnel. The calculations made by V.L.Dyatlov as applied to a vacuum with 100% defect density show that tangential stresses can achieve in it  hundreds of kilograms per centimeter [11].

In the air when a funnel doesn't touch solid objects, unstable momentum is compensated by the rotation of a funnel and the air connected  with this funnel. And in a solid body these momenta cause the large tangential stresses which are sufficient for cutting off the wheels of a car or for turning a brick church from the west to the east.

    A positive mass localized on a lower end of a funnel explains a fast extension of a funnel and a subsequent blow against the surface of the earth or water.

    A vacuum domain as well as a vacuum doesn't have the conductivity of  self-gravitational current, it doesn't possess  a free gravitational charges. Therefore while touching the surface only the surface gravitational charges go in the ground. At that a funnel is detached from the ground. Whereupon the process of polarisation again extends  a funnel and it again touches the ground. In such a way it may be explained an observable dotted contact of a funnel with the earth.

The energy source as in the experiment of Einstein-de-Haas  is  energy of the magnetic field, in this case -  energy of the polarisation. Thus a gravitational energy is transformed into a spin energy.

    A cloud always rises through a height of 20 km above a funnel of tornado. Since an upper boundary of  the troposphere passing in a middle latitudes at a height of 10-11 km confines all thermobaric processes in the atmosphere, a manifestation of tornado at such a height can't have a meteorological explanation, but it can have a gravidynamical explanation. A stretched and strongly polarized vacuum domain contains at its upper end a large positive mass and positive electrical charge. And  both charges repel from the earth and rushes together with the air outside the troposphere. The entrapped moisture makes a domain visible.
   
   
Figure 56 (Figure 5).

    The most widespread and the most inexplicable manifestation of tornado as a picking of  solid objects by soft ones

(straws pick  boards, chips pick trunks, a board penetrates a wall of a house, a thick steel plate) also can be explained by the accepted model, see Figure 5.



 Under the action of the gravitational field of the Earth a gravitational charge is accumulated on the thin ends of different objects. It rushes to the gravitational charge created by the Earth on the surface of a house or  tree. The charge density at some concentration of defects can be sufficient for a puncturing the firm objects. A charge carrier is carried along in a made aperture. It's solidity  doesn't play any role.

By the same mechanism may be explained the fact why a maple leafe was found to be pressed in a hard stucco. If one could set a laboratory experiment for the demonstration of gravitational charges, one can't  invent the better way of manifestation of their effect than in this experiment.

    The probability that  a board by its end hits  a palm trunk is very small but howerever it differs from zero, but the probability that all boards pick  palms in such a way that a palm is always in the middle of a board equals to zero.

But if to accept that an equipotential of a gravitational field passes along a palm, then a hit of a board in a palm and a stop of a board just in its middle  becomes no longer accidental.

    The positive gravitational charges originating on the lower surface of a parent cloud allow to keep and to transport not only silver coins and Amphibia but also large masses of water extracted from reservoirs.

    The gravitational polarisation of a tornado's column allows to explain why fast rotated bricks from the destroyed school were stacked  in a high hillock in a center of the area formed by a school foundation.

            The positive gravitational charges originated on the lower end of a column cause the same polarisation on the earth surface, in this particular case -  in the  foundation of the school. The attraction of these charges  has compensated a centrifugal force and gathered all bricks in a center of a column.

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/erin/erin4.html


After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

Negentropic

Of course he was assassinated. No senator or politician ever dies in a plane crash without there being some assassination plot involved. That should be a rule of thumb by now.  Bullet in the head suicide, sabotaged plane crash, what the hell is the difference?  More plausible deniability with the stupid plane sabotage, that's all.

Big advantage of HAARP over nuclear weapons: they trash the place, kill all the useless eaters but don't leave the place radioactive. That way they can go in and rebuild and use that as an excuse to take over.  Do you want money and support to rebuild? Here are our conditions: bend over, learn it, live it.

jai_mann

Judy Wood is completely untrustworthy. I just spent the last 10 minutes trying to find a link to the youtube video with Dr. Greg Jenkins interviewing Dr. Judy Wood. I can't even find the video now but there's a ton of heavily edited videos of the original defending judy wood in a deceptive manner. Those two facts should send a very clear message about who's a spook.

Quote from: "CrackSmokeRepublican"
QuoteFigure 17. None of these three silver cars appear to have tumbled. The silver car on the far left appears totally unharmed. The silver car on the right appears to have a broken back window, but no other damage. How could the first and third cars be virtually undammaged if the middle car had blown in from elsewhere? If that middle car had been parked there, how could it have been flipped up and rotated while the other cars remained virtually undamaged? And, where did that wood structure come from? Why didn't it damage the parking lot if it had been blown through there? (Hurricane Wilma)
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/erin/erin3.html

Here's the main problem with her entire commentary. Her commentary is based upon assumptions which she poses as facts. Why should we assume that all of those cars should have tumbled? Clearly we don't know what occurred in the scene, so if we don't know what happened why would we assumed all 3 should tumble? Where is her PROOF supporting her ASSUMPTION that the car had BLOWN in from elsewhere? This photo is from one angle, we have no clue what damage isn't displayed in these pictures. Hurricanes have huge water surges. Is there something that she knows that we don't which eliminates the possibility that a water surge lifted and flipped the middle car, while only lifting up with out flipping the other cars? If you look at those whites poles in between the cars, they are poles which once held a typically metal roof. These cars were all under a car port. How do we know there weren't multiple surges and in between the surges the front of the one car dipped low enough that the rear was pushed over it in the next surge.

Here's another thought. How do we know the two cars that are upright were in those spots when what ever happened to flip the other car happened? We don't know that. It's entirely possible that the damage seen on the two unflipped cars occurred some where else during the storm.

Why would wood damage asphalt? I don't understand why she thinks it would?

This woman is a snake in the grass and not to be trusted. If I could have found her interview with Gregg Jenkins with out all the blasted editing, which was done to attack him and hide her miserable and telling interview, then I would post it.

Quote from: "CrackSmokeRepublican"Electrical Origination? Mars has dust devils without much atmosphere...




It should not in any way be assumed that humans have a 100% comprehension of natural events around them. I've been studying tornado's for some time. It's clear they occur in areas where you don't extreme hot and cold air differences. If you look on youtube you can see tornado's happening in places like manitoba in canada. I'm personally of the opinion that these vortexes  are a result of aether in rushes. You can see electrical activity around many of these tornado's which indicates clearly the rarification of the air in between. The energy driving vortexes such as whirlpools and tornados and hurricanes and ultimately black holes, is the aether. It is finer than air, or water, but what we perceive, in motion, is water,or air that has so many particulates in it that we are permitted to perceive the motion. The aether permeates everything and hence no atmosphere is required for the swirling effects.

Farrell is another guy I don't trust one bit. I peg him as an intel operative. Just like that Bob Lazar fellow.

CrackSmokeRepublican

Actually I think Dr. Judy Wood is kind of interesting Jai Mann.  Don't trust her if you don't want to... but I find some of her photos on her website Extremely Strange in the larger picture.

 Like just how did those 9/11 photos with the Fire Engine melted through come about?  Like I said, interesting physics that don't get mentioned by many other 9/11 truth sites or even "explained" for that matter.  I think Thermite was used but maybe a DEW as well since things did get "dusted" as she points out.  Not a lot of building was left at the twin towers and people didn't die in massive burning "clouds of dust" with bits of thermite-thermate as they ran down streets.  She actually has given several interviews on several shows-- and her message has been fairly consistent.   I don't see really what she has to gain in pushing her beliefs... in fact she likely has lost a lot by promoting this. And I don't see a bunch of Jew types hovering around her in the background as far as I know.   I think she is the third-rail for Jews-A.J. Israeli 9/11 deniers.

What is most disconcerting is if the J-Tribe and their puppets in Black Ops have a weapon of this magnitude.  

So, consider now that we do have another Hurricane, Earl,  snaking up East coast which may hit in early Sept. Keep an eye open if they use a DEW,  with this massive Hurricane which can provide sympathetic ElectroStatics in the air -- and it all gets blamed on Iran this time around.

The Tornado theory is interesting since other Planets have tornadoes but very little of the dynamic atmosphere of the Earth. Large air bodies can form vortexes but these rapidly moving bodies can also charge the atmosphere or particles flying in their maelstroms. What is most interesting is that there isn't a definitive explanation for what causes interplanetary tornadoes. Or pieces of "straw" stuck through 2x4 boards -- which I've seen personally for that matter.

Here's one "weird" phenomenon. If it was only "thermite" or just "an internal collapse" there probably should be a lot of toilets and pieces of toilets in the rubble:

QuoteO. Toilets
Where were the toilets from the buildings? There should have been nearly 10,000 toilet fixtures in the "rubble pile." (But there wasn't a "rubble pile," either!)

commercial toilet
   
Required minimum number of fixtures per occupants:
Number of toilets expected
25,000 each tower
approx. 6,000 each for WTC 3,4,5,6 = 24,000
50,000 + 24,000 = 74,000 people.

Not including WTC7

Approximately 2876 toilets
Why can't we find even ONE of them?


The WTC towers were over 1/4 mile tall. Because of the enormous head as well as the problem of line siphoning, water is pumped in stages to intermediate tanks, then pumped from the intermediate tank to higher floors. Therefore, there were many water tanks in the TWC building as well as pumping systems.

To conserve water, many businesses and households use "turbo toilets."

To reduce the amount of water that must be pumped up in the building, it is likely they would have had a lot of "turbo toilets." These greatly reduce the water needed as well as having extra robust flushing power that keeps the toilet clean.

For single-tank fixtures, water is pressurized with air in a pressure vessel that is installed within a normal-looking tank. The pressure system for multiple-fixture restrooms would have a larger tank that would serve multiple fixtures like those shown above.

Turbo toilet

More interesting physics:





(probably used a slow sweep...)

Figure 66(a). Cars along FDR drive were randomly toasted. These cars are at least 1/2 mile away from the WTC. Note the waviness of the tire tracks. What happened?



Figure 66(l). The front half of car 2723 is toasted, but check out the new wax job on the back. Notice the missing front door handle and the untouched back door handle.

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/ ... ml#peeling

http://www.drjudywood.com/wtc/
After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

jai_mann

Quote from: "CrackSmokeRepublican"Actually I think Dr. Judy Wood is kind of interesting Jai Mann.  Don't trust her if you don't want to... but I find some of her photos on her website Extremely Strange in the larger picture.

The problem is, as I tried to point out, she is creating the context in your mind. Those engines were no doubt close to the towers and the excess thermate melted it. The firefighters said there were molten pools of steels in the subway area for months. Those cars under the freeway were moved there. That photo has popped up so many times. All of those things are easily explainable with out exotic weaponry being involved.

The handle on the cop car could have come off after the entire incident during removal and cleanup. There's way WAY too much being inferred from those photos to go from them, as evidence, to a conclusion of scalar weapons. Where is the evidence demonstrating the effects of a scalar weapons upon a non-biological entity? There's absolutely nothing. It's pure and utter speculation to assume that what is seen is what scalar weapons would do. Explosions create dust. Those clouds you saw were the result of reacted thermate. You only get the reaction when the required elements come into contact and as the volume of space increases, in which the particulate elements, responsible for the reaction, reside, they move away from each other. In all likelihood, there would probably be only a few cubic feet at the initiation of the reaction, after that it's all spreading out exponentially across a massive space.

Just because you can't see where some one might gain, doesn't mean that the gain is not there. Neither one of us has access to all of her bank accounts. Who knows if she's being paid?

I don't see how a generated hurricane could be blamed on Iran? I could see staged dirty nukes from some of the material the jews have stolen from reactors around the globe. I don't think they'd want the public to know about the capacity for weather weapons. It's showing part of their hand that permits extreme plausible deniability.

I don't see why there would be toilets if the advanced grade of thermate used was explosive?

I just located a copy of the interview between Jenkins and Wood. Of course some asshole has gone and planted seeds in the viewers mind by inserting at the beginning narrated video of stills and video. They are very carefully framing certain facts to help bolster her argument which is shown after that. For instance, they try to make it sound as if the smoke coming off the tower which didn't collapse, should have wafted in different directions as the other tower fell. But why should it if the air, as can be seen in the view, is flowing radially out and away from the building?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 694803017#

I'm sorry but all of my training in reading people via their facial expressions, body language, tone of voice, manner of response are giving me massive red flags with Judy Wood, whereas those same factors indicate an honest individual in Greg Jenkins. That's not even going into my own intense three years of studying this event. Suit yourself if you put trust in her.

CrackSmokeRepublican

Well... in this photo she says that it is on 9/11. Do you believe her?  These photos are from Firefighters, basically they are hard to fake with thermite... if thermite fell on this truck then wouldn't the tires have blown out?  I'm not saying Thermite-Thermate wasn't pre-planted and used, I'm just saying the "physics" involved are difficult to explain if this is truly a "Same day" photo. The lady is a geek and reminds me of one... I just don't see her as a "Hoax" artist like some in the truth movement.  If anything, I think she's found something that has evidence without a good "known" theory to back it up so she sounds a little 'squirrelly' when she hits certain topics. This is definitely a "funky truck" in the physics world and materials science world.   :think:  

I think the J-Tribe and J-Puppet criminals that pulled off 9/11 used something like an "Ark of the Covenant" weapon as the master trick. That's why the idiots running the cameras seemed so sure of themselves during the attack and in follow up. They were collectively ticking off the successful stages of the plan. They all seemed to know it was already a done deal IMHO. The towers fell without thousands of burned up people in the streets from massive pyroclastic clouds of thermite-thermate rolling down streets from the explosions. I do think the thermite was probably used in the floors where the Planes (or whatever) hit and maybe to cut out girders in certain areas-- pre-planted by the loading of those areas over the months prior by the renovation crews.  But I have doubts about it doing all of the effects.   Buildings brought down by demolitions and thermite usually don't start fires blocks away do they?



QuoteFigure hazmat. A FDMY Hazmat truck in front of WTC6 on West Street. The remaining upper part of the truck has been peeled and evaporated in areas. The upper part of the cab is gone and the engine block seems to have disappeared. The photo was taken on 9/11 after WTC1 disappeared but before WTC7 collapsed.
(9/11/01) Source:

Consider these cars... if it was only thermite... wouldn't these temperatures have burned at least hundreds of people alive all over the area?
These cars are not all that close to the towers...  :think:
After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

rodin

The 911 toasted car effects are best explained by em radiation

However a DEW would have to aim vertically down the building. It would have to be mounted on a geostationary satellite platform. Easy to check if one exists or existed above WTC.

Note that the nuke theory is being pushed towards one big blast underground. But 3rd or 4th generation SADM's in multiples down the core is most logical given the 'impact level' down collapses AND radiation effects AND the molten rock evidence AND the hot spot outside the Israeli Embassy AND the massive tritium residues found AND the inclusion of Steven 'fusion' Jones on the thermite bench

Wheras big nukes require USA to be complicit, smaller portable nukes allow for Israeli sabotage

Somewhere I read 'Artists' were all over WTC 1 and 2 YEARS before 911 - being 'creative' in unlettable space. Plenty time to install cutting thermite around perimeter columns. Then nearer the day bring in the charges to set off the thermite - be sure to sack the sniffer dogs before doing this

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Ok back to Tesla/HAARP and similar and the weather over Pakistan and Russia - possibly ionosphere heating can indeed influence weather. But I doubt it can cause huge-scale changes over entire continents. And is doubt even more it can cause earthquakes. False flag quakes are much more likely to be nukes down drill shafts or ocean trenches

CrackSmokeRepublican

Here's pretty much were I stand on all of this:


Boyd Bushman from Lockheed Martin's Skunkworks on Hutchinson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sv8WwnWJDmw

Previous points:
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=11192

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=8701&start=15

They likely have weather control or weather shaping of sorts... IMHO...
QuoteBirkeland was the good guy in a 50-year dispute involving the idea that electrons streaming along magnetic field lines caused the Earth's auroras. His opponent was the astronomer Sydney Chapman who maintained that the Earth moved through a vacuum. In 1974 space probes found in Birkeland's favour. Chapman and others then promptly made space plasma superconducting, which relieved them from the complications of dealing with electric fields. Birkeland actually demonstrated his theory long before in an experiment called a "terrella." It consisted of an electromagnet contained within a sphere and placed in a large vacuum chamber. By initiating an electric discharge in the chamber he was able to reproduce a light show with many of the odd features of auroras. The importance of this simple experiment cannot be overstated because it demonstrates that aurorae and lightning seem to require an electrical power source external to the Earth! That would explain the puzzle raised by Bering: "The charge that produces sprites is not below in the cloud, it's in the mesosphere itself."

The Electric Universe model suggests that the Earth plays a cathode role in the Sun's discharge and therefore is in the business of supplying negative electrons to space and receiving positive ions from the solar wind. It is interesting therefore that the presence of solar wind ions inside the earth's magnetosphere has puzzled scientists. Thunderstorms are not electricity generators, they are passive elements in an interplanetary circuit, like a self-repairing leaky condenser. The energy stored in the cloud "condenser" is released as lightning when it short-circuits. The short-circuits can occur either within the cloud or across the external resistive paths to Earth or the ionosphere. The charge across the cloud "condenser" gives rise to violent vertical electrical winds within the cloud, not vice versa. By creating a short-circuit to high altitudes in the storm the lightning effectively "throws the switch" connected to the glow discharge "tube" in the upper atmosphere. It then makes perfect sense that the much taller positive cloud-to-ground discharge will be more effective at providing power to the glow discharge than will low-level negative cloud-to-ground lightning because the circuit resistance is lower. Ultimately, lightning on Earth is driven by electric power focused on the Sun but minutely intercepted by the Earth. So lightning on Earth is a pale imitation of what is happening on the Sun.

It is not surprising, therefore, that it took a man who was an electrical researcher, astronomer, and expert on the effects of lightning, Dr. Charles E. R. Bruce of the Electrical Research Association in England, to recognize the fact. That was in 1941! Such is the inertia of science.

http://plasmascience.net/
After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

PookztA

Dear Jai_Mann,

If Dr. Wood is a spook as you claim, then why did she file federal cases against the corporations which had massive conflict-of-interest relationships with NIST, the group these corporations hired to do the 9/11 "investigations"? Her Qui-Tam federal case was successfully appealed all the way to the level of the U.S. Supreme Court in October 2009, so why are you claiming Dr. Wood is a spook, but you do not at all mention Dr. Steven Jones, who has still not filed his 'peer-reviewed' scientific nano-thermite study with a court of law to this very day?

Furthermore, why haven't you filed any legal cases? Perhaps you are a spook?  :)
 
Also, why must you remind us that Greg Jenkins claims the Twin Towers fell into a HUGE rubble pile and that none of it turned to dust?  Also, Jenkins claims it would take more 5 times the worlds output of energy (whatever that means) to destroy the towers.  So, why aren't they still there?  But most of all, vandalizing a photo of someone does not address the evidence they have brought forth.  It is a wonder to behold just how extensive the efforts are to divert attention away from the evidence on Dr. Wood's site.  Calling Dr. Wood names is not a valid substitute for explaining the toasted cars, the unburned paper, the lack of debris, the mid-air pulverization, the flipped cars...  

Here is a brief listing of some of the key points of evidence which must be explained by any successful, cohesive, scientific conclusion:

•   How come most of the Twin Towers' steel and concrete was transformed into a fine dust, while large quantities of aluminum exhibited strange electrical burns, yet paper was unharmed? Extreme heat from jet fuel (or explosives) does not selectively damage certain materials, so how come some materials turned to dust, while other materials were bent or burnt, and yet other materials were completely unharmed?
•   Why was Hurricane Erin at its closest point to NYC on the morning of September 11th, yet it was not reported on by the major corporate media stations?
•   How come there were statistically significant magnetosphere readings in Alaska at the very same time of the 9/11 attacks? Why were the 6 Alaskan magnetomer stations detecting normal readings until the 9/11 attacks commenced, when there was suddenly a huge surge in electromagnetic activity?
•   How come there are many reports of power outages and electrical failures in the areas surrounding ground zero just as the attacks commenced?
•   How were the Twin Towers turned to dust so fine, that the dust floated high up into our atmosphere. The satellite photos show a clear distinction between the black smoke and the whitish-grey dust, so what turned such a large portion of these buildings to dust so fine that it floated high into our atmosphere?
•   How come 1,400+ vehicles located several blocks away (some up to ¼ a mile away) from ground zero experienced metal warping and electricity-like burns and holes during the attacks? If you think the building debris caused these things, then how come that same debris did not burn the clothing or skin of the nearby pedestrians it covered?
•   How come countless vehicles located several blocks away from ground zero were flipped upside down or on their side, next to trees which still had all of their leaves on them?
•   How come several steel beams were observed to be bent and/or shriveled up in very unusual ways, ways which have only been observed during The Hutchison Effect experiments?
•   How come spontaneous rusting of materials occurred all around ground zero? In some instances, entire front-halves of cars were rusted, while the back-halves appeared to be virtually untouched?
•   How come various debris at ground zero was still observed to be fuming and being hosed down well into 2008, as video evidence clearly shows? Do fires last for 7+ years? Do debris from fires need to be hosed down 7 years later?
•   How come circular holes were observed in the windows of virtually all the buildings near ground zero, when holes like these are known only to be caused by longitudinal waves of energy? If building debris smashed the windows, they would have shattered in a predictable way, so how come these countless windows did not shatter, but instead, developed circular holes characteristic of the effect of longitudinal waves of energy on glass?
•   How was the 'bathtub', the area directly beneath the Twin Towers, left virtually unharmed? How could thousands of tons of falling building debris not damage the 'bathtub' beneath the WTC buildings?
•   How was the 'Looney Toons' gift shop in the basement of the WTC buildings left virtually unharmed, so dramatically that the 'Bugs Bunny' statue and other statues were not even scratched or dented? How could these figurines survive thousands of tons of falling building debris?
•   How was the unharmed PATH Train beneath the WTC buildings left virtually unharmed? Shouldn't falling building debris have crushed that train, or at the very least, knocked it off the tracks?
•   How could thousands of tons of rapidly falling steel and concrete building debris leave the 'Bath Tub', the basement gift shops, and the PATH train, virtually unharmed? Shouldn't thousands of tons of falling steel and concrete cause significant damage to at least one of these?
•   How come Dr. Wood has already filed evidence-based legal cases against suspected 9/11-involved defense and weapons companies based on their conflict-of-interest relationship with N.I.S.T., yet other 9/11 "truth" researchers have not? How come Dr. Steven Jones has not officially filed his scientific 'peer-reviewed' nano-thermite evidence with Congress or the U.S. Courts?
•   Why are groups like AE911Truth and PilotsFor911Truth just now claiming to be "pursuing a new 9/11 investigation" when Dr. Judy Wood has already filed many legal cases to pursue such an investigation, one which was successfully appealed to the level of the U.S. Supreme Court in October 2009?
•   Why did Dr. Jones ban Dr. Wood from his 'Scholars for 9/11 Truth' group long ago, just because they had different conclusions about what destroyed the towers? Shouldn't Dr. Jones and his 'Scholars for 9/11 Truth' group be supporting the 9/11 investigation that Dr. Judy Wood has already demanded with her legal cases, even if he does not agree with her conclusions?
•   Why was I silently removed from the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth) petition simply for asking Richard Gage if he would examine the research of Dr. Judy Wood? Why didn't AE911Truth just reply to my email question, but instead, silently removed me from their petition? I have donated over $100 to AE911Truth, so why was I silently removed from the petition simply for asking Richard Gage about Dr. Judy Wood? Why was I later contacted by AE911Truth when they discovered I was telling people about what they did to me? They could contact me to offer me a refund to stop telling people about how I was silently removed from their petition, but they couldn't have just response to my email which asked Richard Gage if he had heard of Dr. Judy Wood?
•   Why did United States Army Major Doug Rokke (retired) spontaneously contact me to try and convince me that explosives were the only things used on 9/11, and to convince me to stop talking about Dr. Judy Wood, yet he never provided any proof to back up his negative accusations against her?
•   Why did Soviet Nuclear Intelligent Officer Dimitri Khalezov (retired) spontaneously contact me to try and convince me that underground nuclear explosives were what turned the buildings to fine particles of dust on 9/11, and to convince me to stop talking about Dr. Judy Wood, yet he never provided any significant proof to back up his negative accusations against her?
•   Why did these high-ranking retired military officials randomly contact me, an insignificant medical student, when they should be contacting members of the U.S. Congress, and other high-ranking members of our government, with their concerns and the "evidence" they claim to have?


The only person who has explained all of this evidence with one, scientific, cohesive conclusion, is Dr. Judy Wood, and that is why I support her.

Have a good evening,

Abraham Hafiz Rodriguez
M2 Medical Student
B.S. Biology / Neurobiology

http://facebook.com/AbrahamHafizRodriguez
http://youtube.com/pookzta

CrackSmokeRepublican

Pooztka,

Keep in mind 9/11 was a criminal terrorist act done by people with political objectives.  It wasn't an experiment to prove one thesis over another. Take care if you subscribe to Dr. Judy Wood's explanation since it entails recognizing those responsible for the murders of not just 3,000 Americans but over 1.3 million people in Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan and Afghanistan.  

For other sources on weather control:

http://everythingselectric.com/forum/in ... topic=57.0

http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?art ... 3aj&pf=YES

Quotehttp://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/environ ... s-blessing

Electric Rainmaking Technology Gets Mexico's Blessing

But for now, doubters prevail north of the border.

From at least the early 1940's to the end of the 20th century, it always rained more in the state of Jalisco, in central Mexico, than in its neighbor Aguascalientes. But in 2000, on a patch of parched pasture in Aguascalientes, workers from Mexico City-based Electrificación Local de la Atmósfera Terrestre SA (ELAT) erected a peculiar field of interconnected metal poles and wires somewhat resembling the skeleton of a carnival tent. Since then, about as much rain has fallen on the plains of Aguascalientes as on its more lush neighbor.

The brainchild of a fractious group of Russian emigré's, the poles and wires are in fact a network of conductors meant to ionize the air. If the technique is done properly, the thinking goes, the natural current between the earth and the ionosphere is amplified, leading — through a mechanism that is not fully understood — to rainfall. There are now 17 such installations in six states in Mexico, and in January, federal government agencies decided to back construction and operation of 19 more by 2006, potentially altering the weather in much of parched north and central Mexico. Meanwhile, by May, ELAT's competitor Earthwise Technologies Inc., of Mexico City and Dallas, could win the right to establish ionization stations in southwest Texas's water-starved Webb County, which would make it the first such installation in the United States.


>>STORM CLOUDS GATHER: Scientists and authorities differ over whether ionizing the air can bring on big weather changes.

But some atmospheric scientists aren't so sure the Russians aren't selling snake oil. "[Ionization] is highly unconventional and in my realm of experience, I have seen no concrete evidence published in a refereed journal, nor have I seen sufficient credible eyewitness verification that the technology works as touted," says George Bomar, the meteorologist charged by the Texas government with licensing the state's weather modification projects.

Comment: This is the common phenomenon of cognitive dissonance in science. The Russians are performing a weather experiment which should fail according to accepted theory. So the scientist complains that he has "seen no concrete evidence published in a refereed journal." But the complaint reduces to a matter of belief. Scientists do not believe electrical power is input to weather systems. Referees who believe atmospheric electricity is an effect, rather than a cause of weather, would almost certainly find grounds for rejecting funding for, or publication of, such an experiment. The same applies to the publication of reports from credible eyewitnesses. For decades airline pilots witnessed strange lightning above storms but were discouraged from reporting it. The objection is unfair and unscientific. Advances come from challenging established beliefs.

Ionization technology is called either IOLA (ionization of the local atmosphere) by Earthwise or ELAT (electrification of the atmosphere) by the company ELAT. IOLA and ELAT compete with conventional cloud seeding, which — though it also remains scientifically unproven — is used in more than 24 countries and 10 U.S. states. Cloud seeding usually involves dispersing a chemical agent such as silver iodide into cloud formations, which helps ice crystals form, leading, it is thought, to bigger clouds and more precipitation than without seeding. The ionization approach, according to Bissiachi, now ELAT's vice president of R&D and operations, does a similar job but twice over. Ions attract water in the atmosphere, creating the aerosol that produces clouds, and they also charge the dust already in the air, making particles become more attractive nuclei for water droplets, which coalesce and fall to the ground as rain.

Comment: It seems that the basic problem in gaining acceptance for ionization technology is the facile description of what causes rain. And that is a problem inherited from the experts –' the meteorologists and atmospheric scientists. The water molecule is fascinating because, unlike the nitrogen and oxygen molecules in the air, it is electrically polarized.


>>The oxygen (blue) side of the water molecule is more negative than the hydrogen side (red), forming an electric dipole.

In an electric field, the water molecule will rotate to line up with the field. When it condenses in a cloud the average electric dipole moment of a water molecule in a raindrop is 40 percent greater than that of a single water vapor molecule. This enhancement results from the large polarization caused by the electric field induced by surrounding water molecules. In the atmospheric electric field the water molecules will be aligned with their dipoles pointing vertically and in a sense that is determined by the charge polarization in the cloud. It is interesting to note that the tops of storm clouds are positively charged and the base is negative. That is the reverse of the radial charge polarization within the Earth itself. And it is this charge polarization that gives rise to the low-order attractive force we call gravity. So it is proposed that water droplets in clouds experience an antigravity effect. It appears to be related to the 'Biefield-Brown Effect,' where a charged high-voltage planar capacitor tends to move in the direction of the positive electrode. That effect may explain how millions of tons of water can be suspended kilometres above the ground, when cloud droplets are about 1,000 times denser than the surrounding air.

Of course, this raises the issue of charge separation in clouds. The conventional 'isolated Earth' view is that positive and negative charge is 'somehow' separated by vertical winds in clouds and that this process in thunderstorms is responsible for charging up the ionosphere and causing the atmospheric electric field. But this begs the question of cause and effect. Recent high-altitude balloon flights find that charge is not built up in the cloud, it already exists in the ionosphere above. In January 2002 I argued the electric universe model: "Thunderstorms are not electricity generators, they are passive elements in an interplanetary circuit, like a self-repairing leaky condenser. The energy stored in the cloud 'condenser' is released as lightning when it short-circuits. The short-circuits can occur either within the cloud or across the external resistive paths to Earth or the ionosphere. The charge across the cloud 'condenser' gives rise to violent vertical electrical winds within the cloud, not vice versa."

This view accords with a recent report (17 November 2003) in Geophysical Review Letters by Joseph Dwyer of the Florida Institute of Technology, which says that according to conventional theory electrical fields in the atmosphere simply cannot grow large enough to trigger lightning. "The conventional view of how lightning is produced is wrong." And so "the true origin of lightning remains a mystery."

Water vapor in rising air cools and condenses to forms clouds. The conventional explanation for rising air relies upon solar heating. The electrical weather model has an additional galactic energy source (the same that powers the Sun) to drive the movement of air. It is the same energy source that drives ferocious high-level winds on the giant outer planets, where solar energy is extremely weak. Once the water vapor condenses into water droplets it is more plausible that millions of tons of water can remain suspended kilometres above the Earth by electrical means, rather than by thermal updraughts. The clouds would act to reduce thermals.

Returning to the article, can we explain how "the natural current between the Earth and the ionosphere is amplified" and how that might increase rainfall? It seems to follow naturally from the electric weather model because the ion generators are supplying mobile charge carriers into the dielectric or atmosphere, which increases the leakage current between the Earth and the ionosphere. The vertical leakage currents drive vertical motion of the air. In some instances these invisible currents are probably responsible for that unseen danger to aircraft — clear air turbulence. And we find the most severe vertical winds in thunderstorms, where electrical power is dramatically evident.

Earthwise's installations are structures about 7 meters high, shaped like short open-topped air-traffic control towers, that house proprietary ion generators and blowers to lift the ions. Separate antennas amplify the ionization by manipulating the local electric and electromagnetic fields. ELAT's installations work in the same manner but are more primitive in appearance, consisting of a 37-meter high central tower surrounded by 8-meter posts arranged hexagonally at a distance of 150 meters. The tower and posts are interconnected by wires, which when set to a high dc voltage by a 2-kilowatt generator, ionize air molecules such as nitrogen and oxygen. According to Bissiachi, as the ions waft upward, they produce about 1 milliampere of current. This current swamps the Earth's natural current — about 1 picoampere — and can affect the weather up to 200 kilometers from the station, he says.

Summing up all its tests from 2000 to 2002, ELAT and its U.S. and Canadian counterpart Ionogenics, in Marblehead, Mass., claim that ionization led to about double the average historical precipitation stimulating, among other things, a 61 percent increase in bean production in Mexico's central basin in the last three years. Cloud seeding, in comparison, typically claims only a 10-15 percent improvement in rainfall.

Despite the claimed successes, ionization has its critics. Atmospheric scientists contacted for this article noted that even the four years of testing was too brief a period to prove that the effects seen were not due to some sort of extraordinary variability in the local weather. Bissiachi claims that the criticism goes to a deeper prejudice. "Meteorologists are not used to thinking that electrical phenomena could be important to the normal hydrodynamic model," he says.

Weather modification technology has always had a hard time standing up to rigorous scientific scrutiny. Ross N. Hoffman, a vice president at Atmospheric and Environmental Research Inc. in Lexington, Mass., helped complete a scientific review of cloud seeding, which was released by the U.S. National Research Council, Washington, D.C., in November 2003. It found that even after more than 50 years of use, cloud seeding remained unproven from a scientific standpoint. "[Ionization] faces the same problems cloud seeding does," he says. Among those are uncertainty about the natural variability of precipitation, the inability to accurately measure rainfall,and the need to randomize and replicate experiments. The last is particularly troublesome, since weather modification companies are typically hired to induce rain whenever they can. Randomly turning on or off the system to prove a point is not in the customer's interest, Hoffman notes.

Ionization also suffers doubts about its basic plausibility. Brian A. Tinsley, a physicist at the University of Texas, Dallas, and an expert on the effects of ions and current in the atmosphere, points out that the ionosphere is about 250,000 volts positive compared with the ground. But the effect of the resulting current, and changes to it from cosmic rays and other phenomena, on droplet formation and precipitation is "relatively small" and restricted to certain types of clouds in specific locations, he says. Considering the size of the natural voltage and the modesty of its impact on rainfall, effective weather modification using ionization, he believes, would require enormous power input and hundreds of square kilometers of antenna arrays.

SAMUEL K. MOORE

Comment: If conventional theory fails to explain electrical storms it cannot be used to discount the results of ionization experiments. Instead, conventional theory suffers doubts about its basic plausibility. Weather experts have a limited view of the electrical nature of the Earth and its environment. The "enormous power input" is freely available from the galaxy. That galactic electrical power drives the weather systems on all of the planets and even the Sun. So the ionization experiment is rather like the control gate in a transistor, where a small current into the control gate influences the entire power output of the transistor. This method of weather control should eventually force the critics to think again.

Wal Thornhill


Quotethe earths plasma ball with auroras

the image above shows the earths plasma ball with the auroras which bring in plasma to the earths global electrical circuit. if it is an electric earth you will need a plasma/energy circuit

http://www.everythingselectric.com/foru ... 251#msg251
After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

jai_mann

QuoteDear Jai_Mann,

If Dr. Wood is a spook as you claim, then why did she file federal cases against the corporations which had massive conflict-of-interest relationships with NIST, the group these corporations hired to do the 9/11 "investigations"?

The same reason Philip Berg represented victims and currently represents the tea party. "They couldn't possibly be taking the lead in order to intentionally blunder thereby rendering the support and behavior of the common masses entirely impotent...NAAAAAH!"

QuoteHer Qui-Tam federal case was successfully appealed all the way to the level of the U.S. Supreme Court in October 2009, so why are you claiming Dr. Wood is a spook, but you do not at all mention Dr. Steven Jones, who has still not filed his 'peer-reviewed' scientific nano-thermite study with a court of law to this very day?

And what happened after all the time which was spent in between appeals? What did those who claim some sort of legitimacy in making claims and "laws" do ? I can't speak for Dr. Jones, but if he's like me then he understands the waste of time and resources that go with attempting any thing in this legal system. Woods interview, which I've posted in this thread and one other on this site, is all the evidence that I need to know she's a plant. If you read what I base my assessments off of then you should understand this isn't an issue of opinion for me. I'm a trained behavior analyst professionally and I have years of education in empirical sciences. I could be bullshitting you all but if you take the time to put aside your personal theories of what occurred on 9/11 and study the behavior and character of the responses from people in the "truth" movement, then you will have a whole other aspect of phenomenology on which to help bolster your comprehension of the big picture.

You can continue pretending as if the courts are legitimate but I've moved way beyond that at this point. Filing any thing is a complete waste of time. There are other options but the foundations for most of those options are not in place and I'm not a physically capable person to carry out half the shit that needs to be done any way.

QuoteFurthermore, why haven't you filed any legal cases? Perhaps you are a spook? :)

Again, you think the court system holds some sort of legitimacy, I do not. If you're going to make guesses or claims that some one is a spook at least have some thing of substance supporting your view. For instance, look at people like Wood, Dr. Jones (not to say he is a spook), AJ, Rense, DBJ, etc. These people have large followings and most of that is because of exposure. In the scheme of it, I'm a fucking total nobody with too much time on his hands because of a crippling and chronic injury. No one is out there shouting "Hey look what Jai Mann is saying!!". You don't see that do you? Intelligence operatives take advantage of other connections and the controlled alternative and main stream media to spread their message. Sure you get Jews and Israeli's and Masons spreading bullshit but they tend to stand out based on their views. Seriously. Put more thought in to it before calling some one a spook. And for fucks sake watch the interview of Wood with Jenkins. If her responses and clear cut anxiety and lack of substance in her responses don't give you evidence of dishonesty then you're fucked. I know people have let basic skills like observing facial expressions slide over the decades and centuries but this interview seals it. Emotional attachments to the DEW theories is the only reason people won't let go. They can't seem to keep their DEW theory and dismiss a clearly dishonest person who has been hawking the idea. It's like people who get attached to Alex Jones. Present them with evidence of his dishonesty via obfuscation and selective omission and they ignore it. He says every thing else they support and that's good enough for them.

QuoteAlso, why must you remind us that Greg Jenkins claims the Twin Towers fell into a HUGE rubble pile and that none of it turned to dust?

Where did I make this reminder? Don't bullshit and create issues where none should exist. It's dishonest.

QuoteAlso, Jenkins claims it would take more 5 times the worlds output of energy (whatever that means) to destroy the towers. So, why aren't they still there?

I don't know if he claims this or not and I don't have the time to confirm it. Just because some thing happened, it doesn't mean that it had to happen as per your pet story. This is the same logical basis for the morons who ask "Well if the planes didn't hit the buildings then where are the passengers?". How the fuck should I know? That's the point of empirical inquiry. You look at things and don't make assumptions. You work with only what you can tell via facts.

QuoteBut most of all, vandalizing a photo of someone does not address the evidence they have brought forth.
???  :wtf:
 
QuoteIt is a wonder to behold just how extensive the efforts are to divert attention away from the evidence on Dr. Wood's site.

No, what is a wonder is the length that some will go to trying to prove a pet theory when it is functionally a complete fucking waste of time. Did you know that jews and masons and their kin are all engaged an unconventional war upon the masses? Are you doing any thing to address that? Learning about what's actually going on is important but it's no good if all of one's time is spent on that and none on solutions.

QuoteCalling Dr. Wood names is not a valid substitute for explaining the toasted cars, the unburned paper, the lack of debris, the mid-air pulverization, the flipped cars...

Calling her a spook is not the same as calling her something with emotive conditioning attached, ie: shithead, jew, nazi, anti-semite. Spook describes a PROFESSION. It is not a pejorative. The problem is that you're ignoring completely and utterly the explanations that I gave. Ie: Things being moved after the fact. What is the chain of custody for the photos in order to confirm the date & time? Can you tell me why you think the paper should be burnt? If you posit a claim you need to support it. I acknowledge unburned paper, but for me to think it should be burnt I need evidence to think so. I don't know what you mean by lack of debris as the area was called the "pile", by the clean up teams for a reason. Explosions pulverize things. Explosions can flip cars and explosions were reported in the lobby of WTC7 and either WTC1 or 2 (don't remember which). Did you forget this? If things were being moved for clean up it's possibly they were flipped then.

Think what ever you want. I've already accepted that most of the population doesn't rely on logic, even if they are clued in to shenanigans. It's not like some one can be made to do something they can't.

I just wasted 30 minutes on this response when I should have been doing other things. Oh well too late now.

jai_mann

Here's a reminder. I remembered this thread after seeing Pooktza's signature line.

viewtopic.php?f=40&t=10412&p=39957#p39957

God damn it if I just wasted my time.  :evil:

Negentropic

#18
I agree with Pookzta and CSR. What the hell is all this bashing of this woman for? I even heard DBS call her a piece-of-crap one time on air without bothering to clarify why he felt that way. Maybe because she associated with Morgan Reynolds, a former French Connection guest, DBS now thought was an agent? The same DBS who thought Bollyn (where the hell are the Bollyn audios on DBS's site by the way?), Kaminski and Michael Collins Piper were agents? What the hell? All of these theories, including the directed energy weapons and no-planers have more evidence supporting them than the main pile of dog-crap about 19 arabs from a cave with box-cutters and magical hi-jacked planes on impossible flight paths that overcame the most guarded air space in the world and hit their targets ever did.  Some of these theories make the mighty Alex Jones-Loose-Change-based Yes-planes-plus-thermite theory look a bit foolish or scared-of-deep-investigation, that's about it.  They don't discredit the entire 'truth movement' as nutcase any more than AJ and Loose-Change do and besides what could possibly be more discredited and nutcase than the official conspiracy story?   Bottom line, whatever the hell way the endless mysteries of how they carried out that operation unravel, the criminals who carried it out are already way more than busted. Why? Because no one on either side is disputing that the buildings came down and people got killed and only the people who controlled both full access to the WTC buildings and had the entire media machinery in their hands, lock, stock & barrel could have possibly carried the whole operation out, period, end of story.


Comprehensive charts of who owns the media:
http://theunjustmedia.com/Media/Six%20Jewish%20Companies%20Control%2096%25%20of%20the%20World%E2%80%99s%20Media.htm
https://pantherfile.uwm.edu/woodsa/www/chart.html


Larry Silverstein, Nazee and Joseph Moinian at Purim Ball
http://www.newyorksocialdiary.com/node/236068





UJA-Federation Of New York Honors Women In Philanthropy
NEW YORK - MAY 29: Real estate investor Larry Silverstein and Lisa Silverstein attend the UJA-Federation of New York luncheon honoring Women In Philanthropy at the Grand Hyatt New York May 29, 2008 in New York City.


NEW YORK - SEPTEMBER 11: (L-R) Speaker of New York State Assembly Sheldon Silver, real estate investor Larry Silverstein, and Governor of New York David Paterson speak during the 7th annual 9/11 memorial ceremony September 11, 2008 in New York City. Family and friends of the victims, heads of government and others gathered at the annual ceremony to remember the attacks that killed more than 2,700 people with the destruction of the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001.
Larry must have studied Method Acting for this performance, Cry me a river on cue Larry. He must be channeling the horrors of the holycost.




Who Owns the Net?



§N9sh2bj

thanks CSR for the post. That really ties it together.

As far as the paper not being burnt yet all sorts of funny things happening to the conductors (metal) and what this has to do with Senator Stevens and air turbulence, CSR's post filled in some badly needed information.

There is a video as I was perusing some threads...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 757457294#
http://www.meyl.eu/go/index.php?dir=10_ ... sublevel=0
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable ... ard-3.html

These seem to be on static electricity. In particular an official MIT video, a demonstration of a capacitor which can be disassembled. The capacitor is charged, the inner metal removed and set aside, the glass removed and set aside, and the inner metal brought into contact with the outer metal - No discharge.
Put the dielectric back in place, the outer, the glass, and the inner components, then short them and there is a big arc: the electrical charge is stored in the dielectric, not in the metal. The metal is only a means to get the charge to the dialectric.

Leaves one wondering what the charge was on those unburnt pieces of paper.
moved on.
the author does not adopt jewish \'race theory\' or \'darwinism\'.
and believes \'jewish culture\' is mostly one of supporting their organized crime syndicates, with a enough veneer and an organized system of destroying and reshaping other cultures, to obfuscate the truth to most people.

jai_mann

QuoteI agree with Pookzta and CSR. What the hell is all this bashing of this woman for?

I clarified why I believe she's a plant. If you're not going to watch the interview between her and Jenkins then I guess you'll never even have the opportunity to see what I've seen that gave me the concern. And then there's the fact that every single one of you can go to jew tube RIGHT NOW and search for that interview. You will not find the original. What the fuck happened to it? It's gone. The only thing you can find now are several copies of a heavily edited version that inserts attitude conditioning cues to make up for her shitty, blatantly deceitful interview. Is that coincidence? I guess it must be!

DBS's opinions are not relevant here. I have pointed out numerous problems and yet each one of you has failed to address them. Pooktza makes statements as if I said something which I did not and goes off on irrelevant tangents. Who actually thinks legal work is going to result in a single god damn thing in the favor of those who are attempting to get organized crime (who gives you their justice system to solve issues)? Seriously??

The nitty gritty details have their place but they certainly do not require the amount of time allocation as is being demanded by some.

Negentropic

QuoteI clarified why I believe she's a plant. If you're not going to watch the interview between her and Jenkins then I guess you'll never even have the opportunity to see what I've seen that gave me the concern. And then there's the fact that every single one of you can go to jew tube RIGHT NOW and search for that interview. You will not find the original. What the fuck happened to it? It's gone. The only thing you can find now are several copies of a heavily edited version that inserts attitude conditioning cues to make up for her shitty, blatantly deceitful interview. Is that coincidence? I guess it must be!


I've never seen the legendary Jenkins/Wood interview but one friggin interview that makes someone look bad does not necessarily prove the whole of someone's work garbage or even that someone's an agent either. If yes, does Arabs own Hollywood prove everything Alex Jones has done is worthless, the 80% good vs. the 20% poison?  Or better yet,  you have no better so-called 'proof' of DBS being an agent through very suspicious looking activity than that  famous recorded shitfit of a phone call to Hufshit about Bollyn this and Bollyn that and you better start busting on Bollyn immediately Hufshit or else you're not my pal and you can go fuck off, blah blah blah.  Even that didn't prove DBS was the bad guy to me or anyone else here on TIU who's heard it, because DBS's own information has been consistent enough to clear him of that one instance of psychotic personality disorder. Nor did that phone call recording alone prove Hufshit as a bad guy for that matter but only Hufshit's own uber-paranoid circular posts that lead nowhere on his website made me pull the plug on him. As for Bollyn, he's proven to be just as valuable to the movement as DBS but DBS has since hidden Bollyn's extensive audios done on French Connection somewhere. What the hell is that all about?


jai_mann

Quote from: "§N9sh2bj"thanks CSR for the post. That really ties it together.

As far as the paper not being burnt yet all sorts of funny things happening to the conductors (metal) and what this has to do with Senator Stevens and air turbulence, CSR's post filled in some badly needed information.

There is a video as I was perusing some threads...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 757457294#
http://www.meyl.eu/go/index.php?dir=10_ ... sublevel=0
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable ... ard-3.html

These seem to be on static electricity. In particular an official MIT video, a demonstration of a capacitor which can be disassembled. The capacitor is charged, the inner metal removed and set aside, the glass removed and set aside, and the inner metal brought into contact with the outer metal - No discharge.
Put the dielectric back in place, the outer, the glass, and the inner components, then short them and there is a big arc: the electrical charge is stored in the dielectric, not in the metal. The metal is only a means to get the charge to the dialectric.

Leaves one wondering what the charge was on those unburnt pieces of paper.

If you're going to assume that it was DEW and that's why the papers were unaffected, then why was the concrete effected? Concrete is not a conductor.

I don't agree with how things are being construed regarding the "charge" (current) being stored in the dielectric. The dielectric is where a field will exist based on a difference in between the potentials of the two plates. It is also called displacement current (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Displacement_current). Those people at MIT are taking advantage of a known trait to make people think that the charge is held within the dielectric. There is a field in the dielectric not charge. It is this difference in potential from one side of the dielectric to the other that allows the moving of electrons from one plate to the other.

I love the folks over at energeticforum, but there's a bunch of groupies and knuckle heads who don't do any experimentation even when you point them right to the specific tesla patents that they should be looking at and replicating. I think 5-10% over there are empiricist, the rest groupies.

jai_mann

Quote from: "Negentropic"
QuoteI clarified why I believe she's a plant. If you're not going to watch the interview between her and Jenkins then I guess you'll never even have the opportunity to see what I've seen that gave me the concern. And then there's the fact that every single one of you can go to jew tube RIGHT NOW and search for that interview. You will not find the original. What the fuck happened to it? It's gone. The only thing you can find now are several copies of a heavily edited version that inserts attitude conditioning cues to make up for her shitty, blatantly deceitful interview. Is that coincidence? I guess it must be!

I've never seen the legendary Jenkins/Wood interview but one friggin interview that makes someone look bad does not necessarily prove the whole of someone's work garbage or even that someone's an agent either. If yes, does Arabs own Hollywood prove everything Alex Jones has done is worthless, the 80% good vs. the 20% poison?  Or better yet,  you have no better so-called 'proof' of DBS being an agent through very suspicious looking activity than that  famous recorded shitfit of a phone call to Hufshit about Bollyn this and Bollyn that and you better start busting on Bollyn immediately Hufshit or else you're not my pal and you can go fuck off, blah blah blah.  Even that didn't prove DBS was the bad guy to me or anyone else here on TIU who's heard it, because DBS's own information has been consistent enough to clear him of that one instance of psychotic personality disorder. Nor did that phone call recording alone prove Hufshit as a bad guy for that matter but only Hufshit's own uber-paranoid circular posts that lead nowhere on his website made me pull the plug on him. As for Bollyn, he's proven to be just as valuable to the movement as DBS but DBS has since hidden Bollyn's extensive audios done on French Connection somewhere. What the hell is that all about?


Did I claim the whole of her work is garbage? That would encompass things outside of 9/11 wouldn't it? The real question isn't if every thing they have done then becomes "worthless", the real question is, why are they promoting the poison? Naivety or agenda? DBS is tangential to Woods and her behavior.  I still don't see a logical explanation for the continued access to the heavily edited video on jew tube versus zero access to the unedited original.

Here's a question: If one only exposes oneself to, or perceives, the "80%" good while avoiding/ignoring/not perceiving the "20%" bad, is that person going to be capable of making accurate appraisals of the character of the individual in question?

rodin

I do not see how 911 could be done using conventional explosives because of the way metal was melted and paper untouched

I do not see how a DEW could be used because it would have to be beaming vertically into the buildings (see symmetry of collapses) so as to melt (say) the core columns. What was the platform for this probably massive bit of kit?

I do not see how an underground or basement nuke could accomplish a collapse instigated from the impact levels in both towers

i do see how a string of nuclear devices placed inside the core could cause the observed effects - vapourisation of concrete, melting of steel (and some rock) radiation burns to cars. i also see how the SADM device of the 50's would logically develop into a civilian demolition of skyscrapers design. A smart design would induce eddy currents in metal via EMP melting it and instantly superheat water via microwave heating causing concrete to turn instantly to dust. Result? Very tall steel framed concrete floored structures can be brought down vertically in heavily built up areas.

Now some other points

S Jones was party to a malevolent operation to discredit the work of Pons and Fleishman on fusion reactions on a tiny scale. Precisely the kind of nuclear chemistry that scaled up may be behind clean fusion micronukes. Nuclear reactions by the way are not what we are told they are I think.

J Wood did come up with the 'free fall' analysis. However while DEW's are a logical 'secret weapon' they cannot be the prime candidate for WTC1 and 2 since a beam weapon would not fit the observed facts. Woods is IMO a suspect in the murder of her assistant. And she does have a big nose does Jewdy don't you think Abraham?

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5367

Now what other features would the underground nuke and DEW hypotheses have that would suit the criminals fingered @ the above link? well, both would require that the False Flags were essentially done by the USA herself and not the Jewish Internationale. However SADM nukes could be planted discreetly by an outside agency. The route for these SADM's was perhaps Dimona > Israeli Embassy > Jonathan Institute > WTC. I think the collapse was aided by thermite also - to control the perimeter wall collapses. this would be installed by the art Students who were rampant in the mostly empty twin towers in the years leading up to the planned event. Only at the last minute would the thermite detonators be placed and the SADM's. Hence security stand downs near the end with sniffer dogs being removed. Thermite residues then back up the Architects for Truth position, meanwhile the Tritium levels found are washed away by weather modification rainfall that deluges the site after a clear day gives a perfect photo op for the performance. That's where weather mod and WTC destruction come together

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A nuclear charge can be 'tamped' to convert (some of) the initial blast products into secondary radiation. This was the principle behind the neutron bomb also known as an Enhanced Radiation Weapon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron...n_bomb_tactics

Microwaves can also be tuned to melt steel directly. Also capture of alpha beta or gamma ionsing radiation. Quite a choice of heating vectors are available to the designers of the 21st century SADM

Negentropic

QuoteHere's a question: If one only exposes oneself to, or perceives, the "80%" good while avoiding/ignoring/not perceiving the "20%" bad, is that person going to be capable of making accurate appraisals of the character of the individual in question?


No, you can't make an accurate appraisal but it goes without saying that no one is going to be perfect or 'pure play' all the way. In fact,  very few people have better than 80/20 averages. It's also very important how serious the 20% poison is and how hurtful to the 80% good.  For example I would say that DBS has proven himself to be about 90/10  much better than Alex or Jeff Rense but more importantly DBS's problems are in his relations with and suspicions of people and unnecessary self-sabotage and not any of the serious garbage coming out of Alex Jones's shilling sell-out mouth. If someone like Judy Wood tried to run damage control for Israel when presented with the same set of facts AJ has, then she would go on the same level but not until then. So far she seems to have kept politics out of it and is only interested in the Science.  To further elaborate on this, if you take Jeff Rense's hardcore anti-Zionist-full-on-Revisionist-supporting-&-linking 80/20 with UFO's and Sasquatch dragging it down and compare it to Alex's softcore anti-Zionist-combined-with-Israeli-shilling-&-complete-ignorance-of-Holocaust-Revisionism 80/20, you realize how different those 80/20's are in quality.  I guess you could make it like baseball averages and add Runs-batted-in for anti-Zionism and non-shilling. Rense's runs-batted-in would far outweigh Jones's.  So in other words, even if you put Judy Wood at 60/40 and I wouldn't know why you would, just saying that her bad is because what she does is planned to discredit the 'real' 9/11 truth movement by making it all look like a bunch of nutcases, the same thing Alex Jones says about people like her and No-Planers (in fact, Alex broke with Fetzer because Fetzer would have No-Planers and Judy Wood and Morgan Reynolds on), that just doesn't seem all that bad to me to discredit all the incredibly fascinating stuff she has discovered and presented on her website. Even if you could prove her to be a disinfo agent, it would be quite irrelevant at this point because like I already said, the criminals are already busted: those who control the media and access to the towers were in on it every step of the way and are the main culprits along with the planners.  Besides any good disinfo agent has to use a lot of truth as bait, correct?  So when busted and ostracized  that would still leave the nutritious bait to chew on, de-poisoned or without the hook in it, just like Alex's or Ron Paul's un-hooked and de-poisoned baits.

Throw out the bathwater keep the baby.  I say there's a baby there worth keeping like CSR and Pootkza, you seemed to be saying it's all bathwater or only what looks like a live baby but really isn't live baby in there.



This is an image Hufshit and DBS used over at the French Connection during the height of their paranoia over Bollyn and practically everyone else.

http://www.iamthewitness.com/Bollyn/Bollyn-Broken.html


This is an interesting image. It's comical but can be applied to certain aspects of the truth movement. You use 'truth' bait but the fish you catch is too big or too smart and doesn't die, instead it turns around and eats you.  What unifies all aspects of the 9-11 truth movement into a big fish immune to truth baits to poison it, divide it and conquer? Some say planes, some say no-planes, some say thermite only some say energy weapons too. No-planers make Yes-planers look pretty stupid, that's why Yes-planers hate them so vehemently because they make them look bad, like gullible fools, not really the whole movement. All agree buildings were brought down, and that more-or-less media was 100% complicit. Therefore only those who had complete access and control of both could possibly even think they could pull something like this off. They already knew they had enough of a lock to pull the media charade off given previous mass successes since the moon-landing, what remained was access to the buildings to rig them which they also had and access to destroy the evidence afterwards. The bigger the lie, the more people believe it, so they didn't even try to present a plausible story, they made up some cockamamie story with so many holes you could drive a truck through it but idiots believed it anyway.

CrackSmokeRepublican

Guys my guess is they had some kind of radar styled beam weapon on a high flying C-130J, with pylons of some kind of the ground to shape wave forms. Probably a bunch of vacuum tubes in the pylons.  

They had big planes up in the air because of the Hurricane. When John Hutchinson had his effects going, he basically had a large "Static" electricity field present --on 9/11 the Hurricane acted as a sort of "Van de Graff" generator on a huge scale.
 
After looking at the photos, my impression of the Towers collapse is that the device (like radar) was beamed from directly above in a circular pattern. I think it involves a form of Interferometry.  I won't rule out satellites but that is pretty high up to beam down with.  

I have some doubts about Tom Bearden's stuff and his talk of "Scalars",  but a Telsa Howitzer is the kind thing they might have had running to pulse waves on the Towers. I'm pretty sure Lockheed looked at this during the Reagan Star Wars build up.  Possibly in plain site. I think if a person can use the "electric universe" principles, they can couple charges to bring directed anti-casimir/reverse-casimir effects in a local area.  http://prb.aps.org/abstract/PRB/v76/i3/e035338.

Hutchinson said that he could, with Tesla Vacuum tubes, bring about the effect at will and at fairly long ranges. I know the technicalities on this theory sound a bit flimsy. But the fact is that Hutchinson did have his equipment confiscated in the late 1990s, a few years before 2001.  I think the NeoCons and JewTards likely saw something and then black budgeted it for a day like 9/11/2001.  

http://www.cheniere.org/books/part1/teslaweapons.htm




QuoteMy lab contained 20 tons of equipment—Tesla coils, radar generators, signal generators, pulse generators, and phase inverters. It looked like the inside of a 1940 warship with a Frankenstein-making lab in the center! The levitation repeatability improved as I carefully eliminated equipment that wasn't needed, and also determined where each piece of equipment needed to be in relation to the target material.

By 1990, although I couldn't duplicate the effect every time, I could at least repeat it an average of five times an hour instead of the previous once a day. The national evening TV news showed a levitation, and government people even discussed keeping my activities secret in the interest of Canada's national security.

The "Hutchison Effect"

What is the Hutchison effect? Nobody knows at this point. The power was transformed to signal generators, radar systems, broadband systems, high voltage systems, and magnetic pulsed coils. These energies overlapped in a specific area where the item was to be levitated or the material transformed. Presumably, the effect works at the subatomic level, perhaps related to the zero-point field discussed in the May, 1994 issue of Scientific American.
After the Revolution of 1905, the Czar had prudently prepared for further outbreaks by transferring some $400 million in cash to the New York banks, Chase, National City, Guaranty Trust, J.P.Morgan Co., and Hanover Trust. In 1914, these same banks bought the controlling number of shares in the newly organized Federal Reserve Bank of New York, paying for the stock with the Czar\'s sequestered funds. In November 1917,  Red Guards drove a truck to the Imperial Bank and removed the Romanoff gold and jewels. The gold was later shipped directly to Kuhn, Loeb Co. in New York.-- Curse of Canaan

Whaler

Quote from: "CrackSmokeRepublican"Guys my guess is they had some kind of radar styled beam weapon on a high flying C-130J, with pylons of some kind of the ground to shape wave forms. Probably a bunch of vacuum tubes in the pylons.  

They had big planes up in the air because of the Hurricane. When John Hutchinson had his effects going, he basically had a large "Static" electricity field present --on 9/11 the Hurricane acted as a sort of "Van de Graff" generator on a huge scale.
 
After looking at the photos, my impression of the Towers collapse is that the device (like radar) was beamed from directly above in a circular pattern. I think it involves a form of Interferometry.  I won't rule out satellites but that is pretty high up to beam down with.  

I have some doubts about Tom Bearden's stuff and his talk of "Scalars",  but a Telsa Howitzer is the kind thing they might have had running to pulse waves on the Towers. I'm pretty sure Lockheed looked at this during the Reagan Star Wars build up.  Possibly in plain site. I think if a person can use the "electric universe" principles, they can couple charges to bring directed anti-casimir/reverse-casimir effects in a local area.  http://prb.aps.org/abstract/PRB/v76/i3/e035338.

Hutchinson said that he could, with Tesla Vacuum tubes, bring about the effect at will and at fairly long ranges. I know the technicalities on this theory sound a bit flimsy. But the fact is that Hutchinson did have his equipment confiscated in the late 1990s, a few years before 2001.  I think the NeoCons and JewTards likely saw something and then black budgeted it for a day like 9/11/2001.  
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...Big Hurricane coming to the east coast in a few days.  :(

[youtube:1d7se65b]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpoM3pjJYTg[/youtube]1d7se65b]

PookztA

Quote from: "rodin"I do not see how 911 could be done using conventional explosives because of the way metal was melted and paper untouched

I do not see how a DEW could be used because it would have to be beaming vertically into the buildings (see symmetry of collapses) so as to melt (say) the core columns. What was the platform for this probably massive bit of kit?



Gee... you've come up with some interesting and unfounded speculation that you've put unsupported requirements on.  It's the same sort of "logic" as saying "I do not see how a nuke could be used because it would have to glow bright green and beam down from outer space and be ignited by kitchen matches.  Kitchen matches may be difficult to ignite in outer space so this disproves your 'nuke theories'."  Also your wacky speculation about cooking the building with a nuke beam from outer space is also unsupported by the evidence.  But talking nonsense is a waste of time, so why do it?

Now, can we get back to the evidence?  After all, that is only what Dr. Wood discusses.  It's really pretty amazing how hard some folks work at tryig to divert attention away from the - toasted cars flipped cars round holes in windows...


Here is a list of some of the topics on which she has gathered quite a bit of evidence:

The Twin Towers were destroyed faster than physics can explain by a free fall speed "collapse."
They underwent mid-air pulverization and were turned to dust before they hit the ground.
The protective bathtub was not significantly damaged by the destruction of the Twin Towers.
The rail lines, the tunnels and most of the rail cars had only light damage, if any.
The WTC underground mall survived well, witnessed by Warner Bros. Road Runner and friends. There were reports that "The Gap" was looted.
The seismic impact was minimal, far too small based on a comparison with the Kingdome controlled demolition.
The Twin Towers were destroyed from the top down, not bottom up.
The demolition of WTC7 was whisper quiet and the seismic signal was not significantly greater than background noise.
The upper 80 percent, approximately, of each tower was turned into fine dust and did not crash to the earth.
The upper 90 percent, approximately, of the inside of WTC7 was turned into fine dust and did not crash to the earth.
One file cabinet with folder dividers survived.
No toilets survived or even recognizable portions of one.
Windows of nearby buildings had circular and other odd-shaped holes in them.
In addition to the odd window damage, the marble facade was completely missing from around WFC1 and WFC2 entry, with no other apparent structural damage.
Fuzzballs, evidence that the dust continued to break down and become finer and finer.
Truckloads of dirt were hauled in and hauled out of the WTC site, a pattern that continues to this day.
Fuming of the dirt pile. Fuming decreased when watered, contrary to fumes caused by fire or heat.
Fuzzyblobs, a hazy cloud that appeared to be around material being destroyed.
The Swiss-Cheese appearance of steel beams and glass.
Evidence of molecular dissociation and transmutation, as demonstrated by the near-instant rusting of affected steel.
Weird fires. The appearance of fire, but without evidence of heating.
Lack of high heat. Witnesses reported that the initial dust cloud felt cooler than ambient temperatures. No evidence of burned bodies.
Columns were curled around a vertical axis like rolled-up carpets, where overloaded buckled beams should be bent around the horizontal axis.
Office paper was densely spread throughout lower Manhattan, unburned, often along side cars that appeared to be burning.
Vertical round holes were cut into buildings 4, 5 and 6, and into Liberty street in front of Bankers Trust, and into Vesey Street in front of WTC6, plus a cylindrical arc was cut into Bankers Trust.
All planes except top secret missions were ordered down until 10:31 a.m. (when only military flights were allowed to resume), after both towers were destroyed, and only two minutes (120 seconds) after WTC 1 had been destroyed.
Approximately 1,400 motor vehicles were towed away, toasted in strange ways, during the destruction of the Twin Towers.
The order and method of destruction of each tower minimized damage to the bathtub and adjacent buildings.
More damage was done to the bathtub by earth-moving equipment during the clean-up process than from the destruction of more than a million tons of buildings above it.
Twin Tower control without damaging neighboring buildings, in fact all seriously damaged and destroyed buildings had a WTC prefix.
The north wing of WTC 4 was left standing, neatly sliced from the main body which virtually disappeared.
For more than seven years, regions in the ground under where the main body of WTC4 stood have continued to fume.
The WTC1 and WTC2 rubble pile was far too small to account for the total mass of the buildings.
The WTC7 rubble pile was too small for the total mass of the building and consisted of a lot of mud.
Eyewitness testimony about toasted cars, instant disappearance of people by "unexplained" waves, a plane turning into a mid-air fireball, electrical power cut off moments before WTC 2 destruction, and the sound of explosions.
Eyewitness testimony of Scott-pack explosions in fire trucks and fire trucks exploding that were parked near the WTC.
There were many flipped cars in the neighborhood of the WTC complex near trees with full foliage.
Magnetometer readings in Alaska recorded abrupt shifts in the earth's magnetic field with each of the events at the WTC on 9/11.
Hurricane Erin, located just off Long Island on 9/11/01, went virtually unreported in the days leading up to 9/11, including omission of this Hurricane on the morning weather map, even though that portion of the Atlantic Ocean was shown on the map.
Sillystring, the appearance of curious cork-screw trails.
Uncanny similarities with the Hutchison Effect, where the Hutchison Effect exhibits all of the same phenomena listed above.


see a brief list of the evidence here: http://drjudywood.com/wtc


Cheers,

-Abe

jai_mann

Quote from: "PookztA"Gee... you've come up with some interesting and unfounded speculation that you've put unsupported requirements on.  It's the same sort of "logic" as saying "I do not see how a nuke could be used because it would have to glow bright green and beam down from outer space and be ignited by kitchen matches.  Kitchen matches may be difficult to ignite in outer space so this disproves your 'nuke theories'."  Also your wacky speculation about cooking the building with a nuke beam from outer space is also unsupported by the evidence.  But talking nonsense is a waste of time, so why do it?

You want to talk about speculation? I'm still waiting for some sort of empirical evidence demonstrating what DEW weapons do rather than speculation that the towers coming down was DEW because of certain contextual issues. What  ever happened to all the god damned evidence for bombs going off in the buildings as told by firefighters and people in the towers who survived, or who broadcast it across the air? What about that black dude Barry Jennings who described the explosions in building 7? You want to talk about wacky, maybe you should look at your speculation regarding weapons which you have no evidence to compare what happened on 9/11 with. WTF?

QuoteNow, can we get back to the evidence?  After all, that is only what Dr. Wood discusses.  It's really pretty amazing how hard some folks work at tryig to divert attention away from the - toasted cars flipped cars round holes in windows...

Yeh we heard you the first time and you completely ignored the speculation I provided to counter your own speculation. There were fucking bombs going off in the lobby's of both wtc7 and at least one (probably both however) of the towers. Oh but let's ignore those facts because it doesn't support DEW weapons and it will waste the productive time of people who have to either counter such bullshit or let logically devoid newbies follow the nonsense. I've got more than my share of 9/11 footage saved to disk and some of it includes firefighters walking through the one WTC lobby which was blown to shit. Explain that will you? (if I had to predict your behavior based upon past behavior I'd say you'll ignore this and or deflect from this question). Diversions...right... kind of like your posts. I should be more angry at myself for not just getting out of the habit of coming to this site from all the bullshit from various sketchy posts etc. What a waste of fucking time. The dim wits who haven't figured it out yet are worthless any ways. None of them have the god damned motivation to even act on what they know.

/end rant.