Strawman/Freeman on the land: rabbit holes

[Helphand]

I see DBS is exploring this unwieldy subject or at least, giving it space on his site.

I am open to persuasion but currently I think the whole thing is a crock and a monumental work of distraction. Reasons too many to cite but the "legal" technicalities and distinctions are so nit-picking and preposterous that they can have only originated from the furrowed brow of a rabbi well-exercised in Pilpul. Plus the fact that all the main protagonists I have heard or seen who have been given prominence in terms of talkshow airtime are Jews.

I want someone to post backup references, at least from legal websites, that JUSTIFY all this rubbish about the different legal effect of your name being printed in CAPITALS or mixed upper lower case; that Statutes only apply to you if you consent to them; that States like the UK are bankrupt and have legally pledged their populations to support their indebtedness for money borrowed into existence; and on and on.

Yes, we are plagued by the money-created-as-debt scam and yes, economically speaking the population of say, the UK are in bondage THROUGH THEIR OBLIGATION TO PAY TAXES TO THE UK GOVERNMENT which tax bondage secures the obligation of the UK Government to the Bank of England / money creators. But all the scams and dodges to avoid civil and criminal liabilities - that's another thing entirely. Just wait till one of these cases like the one about council tax in the magistrates court gets relayed to a higher court judge and you'll be seeing another side of the arguments - wasted costs orders, contempt fines, who knows what.

Furthermore at least one of the groups concerned with this, Tir na Saor, seem to think that having gold backed money is a good thing. It isn't. The existence of the gold standard significantly added to, if not actually caused, the Great Depression.
I just googled for some and find these freebies, this list  is certainly not going to be definitive:

http://www.bailii.org/bailii/

http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/

http://www.canlii.org/en/

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/home.html

http://www.commonlii.org/

http://www.austlii.edu.au/

http://www.worldlii.org/

Charles Giuliani - "Truth Hertz" on Oracle Broadcasting - in his 20 August 2010 show
had a caller, Ed. in Louisiana, in the first 1hr who said: "These Yiddish atheist Jews are lawyers and this law is coming down from this Hebrew, er type o' law, and I think if you look at the freeman on the land issue that you'll understand where this
came from..."

He got it in one! More Joo Poo!

[Helphand]

Just a cross-reference to the source I mention in my report for 27 August 2010: TFC with Irene Gravenhorst:

http://www.datafilehost.com/download-e9c33fc3.html

The above is the only substantial piece I can find so far which appears in Eustace Mullins' 1989 book "The Rape of Justice", notably Chapter 15, "Mullins on Equity", pages 481-531. Included with it but more on the US is a Corporation meme is an extract from Icke's 2003 book Tales From The Time Loop.

[mchawe]

"........It isn't. The existence of the gold standard significantly added to, if not actually caused, the Great Depression."

Helphand I agreed with a lot of what you said until I read what you said about gold or the gold standard. Your categorical statement shows complete ignorance of how the gold standard operates IF ALLOWED TO. I see a statement by someone who knows FA about the subject of gold. I begin to ask, "Who the hell are you ! ?" I know from your statement that you know NOTHING.
In fact your statement reads like a statement of self evident fact, but it really is a LIE. I'll be nice. Your statement is CRAP.
Fiat currency is the scam introduced to America by Col House the agent of the Rothschilds.
The gold standard's greatest advantage is that governments cannot rip off their people. Gold is about the only thing that extinguishes debt. You do not extinguish debt with debt. The current crisis is BECAUSE there is no gold standard ! The following article by Prof. Antal Fekete is worth a read SO EDUCATE YOURSELF ABOUT THE INTERNATIONAL BILL MARKET !.....

http://www.safehaven.com/article/17603/ ... -revisited

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The current crisis is BECAUSE there is no gold standard !

Look, the Zion nest nasty throuout academia / economical sciences deeply and tight when among others House of Rothschild "created" the Van mises institute in Vienna.

 Don't forget the opposite creation of this polarized, by design, paradigm -in good kabbalah termes sort of speaking- Their programmed nemesis : Keynes.

You must think simplier, The elite already have control over most of the Gold "Market". Today, to families as yours or mine, to have some gold at hand could be a good thing if the time shows needed, but is other thing to BASE our Currency to something not under our control, loose speaking,  Who is really in control of the "world currency" and "who" regulate it?

  Hear please this: the elite owns and control the gold market, money is what the people make of it, if is the land the people the future then under this simple symbol a land sure should prospere at plenty ! All of this wonderful "note of credite and profite free exchange" is also "fiat" but the difference in a better world, The "Fiat factor" doesn't really matters, is just a tool, the important thing is this been in control of the many and for all human beings, freeman
 speaking ; ) and not as now when this very powerful tool ( the power of economical abstraction) is even since theyir creation at the wrong SUPREME hands !

Fiat currency is not the enemy, speaking of the structure of the system, this monetary machinery could shows itself flexible to what a country have for abundance with morals attributes as well. To descentralized is a good option strategical thinking because the elite show so fixing target on centralizing the fractal of the structure.

All this Milton "Chicago Boy" Friedman, Keynesian economics, Ludwig von Mises Institute,  are All of them creations of the bank kabbalah, pure deceipt all the way!

Listen for a chance for example to Louis Kelso (Binary Economics), Stephen Zarlenga, Aristotle, even Alexander del Mar -when a descent of Jewish-Spanish does his "homework" BUT the elite by omission doesn't named IT-  this show us  one of their Achilles' heel, the knowledge about the currency Magi system controlling the world, or  why not "joebhed" or Byron Dale :

Coffee with Joe 2-11-10 Part 1 (of 2): Monetary Sovereignty

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Gold standard debunked - Interview

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http://www.youtube.com/user/joebhed



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Zarlenga
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_O._Kelso
http://www.google.com/search?hl=sv&q=Louis%20Kelso&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbs=vid:1&source=og&sa=N&tab=wv
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheByronDaleChannel

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MisesWhy3

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How would it work

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[ldrancer]

money soooo hard, i would never understand it im glad i got double talkign idiots to explain it to me.  haha.

[Helphand]

"........It isn't. The existence of the gold standard significantly added to, if not actually caused, the Great Depression."

Helphand I agreed with a lot of what you said until I read what you said about gold or the gold standard. Your categorical statement shows complete ignorance of how the gold standard operates IF ALLOWED TO. I see a statement by someone who knows FA about the subject of gold. I begin to ask, "Who the hell are you ! ?" I know from your statement that you know NOTHING.
In fact your statement reads like a statement of self evident fact, but it really is a LIE. I'll be nice. Your statement is CRAP.
Fiat currency is the scam introduced to America by Col House the agent of the Rothschilds.
The gold standard's greatest advantage is that governments cannot rip off their people. Gold is about the only thing that extinguishes debt. You do not extinguish debt with debt. The current crisis is BECAUSE there is no gold standard ! The following article by Prof. Antal Fekete is worth a read SO EDUCATE YOURSELF ABOUT THE INTERNATIONAL BILL MARKET !.....

http://www.safehaven.com/article/17603/ ... -revisited

http://www.solargeneral.com/library/whi ... wwma1.html

SIR ARTHUR KITSON—The Bankers Conspiracy, Which Started the World Crisis, Elliot Stock, London, 1933; and A Fraudulent Standard, first published in 1917, reprinted by Omni in 1972. Mr. Kitson, after having won fame as an inventor and holder of some 500 patents, abandoned a lucrative business career to devote the last 40 years of his life to lecturing, writing and crusading on money reform. In his very first book, A Scientific Solution of the Money Question, Boston, 1894, he "called attention to the fraudulent character of the so-called 'Gold Standard' of Value, and to the impossibility of any commodity functioning in its commodity capacity, as either a just measure or an honest expression of exchange-values." He declared the gold standard to be "legalized fraud, a delusion and a snare." (See A Fraudulent Standard, Omni, pp. v, viii.) Prof. Soddy recommends five of Mr. Kitson's books, whom he calls "the doyen of British Monetary Reformers."

[Soddy also wrote a short monograph on the Gold Standard Snare, but he was only a Nobel prize-winning nuclear physicist and academic. Even DBS has recognised this in recent years.
Please do some more research and try not to spew invective all over a complete stranger you know nothing about whose opinion you happen not to share.]

[ldrancer]

yea yea yea i bet you like the zeitgiest standard of slavery ive heard you before, if you don't do what we say we'll make you.  but yuo spout, no we won't make anyone do what we want.  then one day one of your cool bro's you have the brorape with told me, where gonna make you.  we'll put you in reeducation camps.  what else have you got to say.  your full of crap.  a commodity can't act in it;'s own capacity, that's like, what are you saying, uh people aren't able to do stuff.  thought so.  and you are exactly a zeitgeist moron. i'm sure you've goa  lot to say to trick peole into liking you.  the attacking alex jones stuff, well, i can see doing it, but it is a little like wtf, sure would go for your agenda, since he made that fag who made it rebuff his crap about the bible.  yea whatever huh, as long as you can push your shit, you'll keep pushinf your fucking lies down people all the time.  why is the attack alex jones so hard for.  your bullshit, why is the attack a standard.  you haven't disproven the standard, yet you attack everyone who doesn't agree with your some guy we don't know from the 1800's opinion with your opinion

[mchawe]

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[mchawe]

idrancer, I suggest you practise writing clear English prose. I cant understand what you are talking about
Helphand. Interesting bunch of UTubes but in none of them I could see anything debunking the gold standard...particularly the one that says "Gold Standard Debunked-Interview" !!
Forget about utopian proposals. They just ain't going to happen. One guy (Louis O Kelso)suggesting the government just spend the money into the required project and the Fed monetise. A ridiculous idea because the projects proposed would run in to millions and need a gigantic bureaucracy to operate. His schemes were IMO impractical and utopian.
I apologise to you for being over-the-top, but your statement about the gold standard bringing on the Great Depression was plain wrong. You will see if you read Fekete, that the Gold Standard was emasculated or castrated years before 1929.
I have accumulated gold and gold and silver stocks over the last few years (from about 2004 in fact). Invariably those who argue against gold usually have not got any !. Here is the Article in full from Antal Fekete (Gold Standard University). He knows more about gold than anybody I know apart from my second quote from Jim Sinclair who is also a real expert who has put his money where his mouth is !

Sorry I don't know how you guys make your neat pastes when making quotations. I only know the old fashioned way (Contrl C. Contrl V)

Antal Fekete....
"THIRD, Adam Smith's Real Bills Doctrine should be rehabilitated. Bills of exchange, drawn on merchandise in urgent demand, maturing into gold coins in 91 days (the length of a quarter), must be allowed to enter into spontaneous monetary circulation. The credit represented by maturing bills of exchange -- representing a mass of goods moving apace to the final consumer, also known as social circulating capital -- is elastic and self-liquidating. It flows and ebbs with the variable need for goods and services. Most importantly, it is liquidated at the time when the ultimate gold-paying consumer withdraws merchandise from the market. For this reason it is not inflationary.

Our financial system lacks self-liquidating credit and, in consequence, the debt tower of Babel just keeps growing until it will topple and bury the world economy under the debris. Real bill circulation would bring back self-liquidating credit. This would guarantee the flexibility of the monetary system not through government coercion but through the voluntary cooperation of the producers and the consumers in satisfying human wants.

It can be seen that the market for real bills is nothing else but the clearing house of the gold standard. In 1918, at the end of World War I, the victorious powers in their wisdom decided not to allow the world to return to multilateral financing of international trade. To be sure, they were sincere in saying that they wished to return to the gold standard, witness Great Britain's 1925 decision to make the pound sterling once again convertible into gold at the pre-war exchange rate -- but only bilateral trade was authorized. This was tantamount to the castration of the gold standard: once its clearing house was amputated, it could not perform.

The victorious powers did this out of spite and vengeance. They wanted to cripple Germany over and above the provisions of the Versailles peace treaty. Forcing bilateral trade upon Germany was equivalent to peacetime blockade whereby the Entente powers could monitor and control Germany's imports and exports. The measure backfired. The Great Depression and the 1931-36 collapse of the international gold standard was a direct consequence of the forcible elimination of multilateral financing of world trade through real bills.

The measure to eliminate real bills from circulation world-wide had another grave consequence that I have to mention. It destroyed the wage fund of society and became the cause of mass unemployment on a scale never before seen -- as predicted by the German economist Heinrich Rittershausen. Real bills alone make it possible to pay workers for producing goods that the consumer cannot purchase before they reach the maturity of a finished good in 91 days. But workers have to eat in the meantime! A substantial part of the social circulating capital is spoken for by the wage fund. Disallowing real bill circulation destroys the wage fund and causes mass unemployment, forcing the government to pay dole to the unemployed. The architecture for a new world financial system may start dismantling the so-called welfare state since, with the return of real bills circulation, the wage fund will be replenished and full employment can be realized."

Then on Jim Sinclair's site, jsmineset.com the following:
The following statement demonstrates JS is no minnow when it comes to financial markets. (Helphand the guys on  your UTube videos didn't impress me one bit ! Kelso was the only one that didn't look like an impoverished professor.)

"I ran 22,000 long gold contracts in the New York and London markets in 1978 to 1980. Back then that was a big number. Today if I have a conviction, I simply play with everything I have and screw credit. The only credit I would use as a pro trader is options."

(He says "Back then". I can tell you that is a huge number today !)

Also,

"Jim Sinclair's Commentary

Dearest Ayn Rand,

Please forgive me.

Alan G.

Alan Greenspan: Hedge Against the Federal Reserve and Buy Gold
Monday, September 6, 2010

The curious Alan Greenspan, who is now 84 years old, appears to have come full circle and returned to the ideas of his earlier years. In 1966, at the age of 40, he wrote a paper calling for the United States to return to a full gold standard and warned of the dangers of not doing so:

In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value. If there were, the government would have to make its holding illegal, as was done in the case of gold. If everyone decided, for example, to convert all his bank deposits to silver or copper or any other good, and thereafter declined to accept checks as payment for goods, bank deposits would lose their purchasing power and government-created bank credit would be worthless as a claim on goods. The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves.

This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists' antagonism toward the gold standard.

He, of course, abandoned this view, at least publicly, as chairman of the Federal Reserve, and became the money printing puppeteer that through the Federal Reserve pumped trillions of dollars into the banking system. These actions ultimately resulted in the collapse of the housing market, a financial crisis and an economic crisis so severe that it must be compared to the Great Depression.

More...           http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/20 ... deral.html

I repeat what I said. Gold is the only real store of value ever invented by man that can and is used as money. Gold is not a commodity as it does not get consumed. (Silver is a store of value but is also a commodity). Gold as a store of value and a medium of exchange and has stood the test of time. It has in effect gone into hiding since 1971 but its qualities haven't changed. Figure out why it is the only SOLID thing that is held by Central Banks, which don't hold steel or wheat or pork bellies !

[ldrancer]

well i don't have to explain it bother reading sometime would you.  fuckin gstupid assholes i can't wait until your all gone.  get in the bus i said get in the bus.  YOuall understand that right.  THOUGHT YOU DID.  You do understand get in the bus, i can see you getting into it now.

[Wimpy]

Wa you taklin bout?  Were yesterday become caring about. You tupid all yu tupid.  What it a little yeller bus you on as boy?

[ldrancer]

fucking stupid.

[Helphand]

I just chanced upon a good selection of books on this topic at FUGAZIQUO - their other stuff has been excellent so these may actually be worth reading for those who've got the time and interest:

http://fugaziquo.com/directory/pages/multimedia/library/law.htm

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mchawe : Interesting bunch of UTubes but in none of them I could see anything debunking the gold standard...particularly the one that says "Gold Standard Debunked-Interview" !!

Sorry for that, that was the 3th video of the interview, here are all 3 parts talking about it:


Gold standard debunked - Interview with Byron Dale


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those are also good ones:

How has the American paper currency changed over time?

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[Christopher Marlowe]

That set of videos gives a great overview to the problem and solution. While gold is a great private investment at this time, it is not a workable money standard. Maybe a bi-metal system would not have all the drawbacks, but I think we will be running up against issues of scarcity.  The best point, which Byron Dale makes early on is that a gold money system is a farce if you still allow fractional reserve lending.  

The easier solution, and which I believe is entirely workable, is the debt-free Treasury note, and the elimination of fractional reserve lending.  

Much of the government debt is owed as interest on the debt. The debt will never be paid. The interest will never be paid.  And from whence did this debt originate?  The phony banker debt money scheme.  

Let's say I wanted to buy some plastic crap from China.  I go down to Slavemart and buy one plastic piece of crap for $100. That was my money that I earned at my job. [Let's say I had a job at a call center bothering people so that they will vote for some banker financed ballot proposal.] So I bought the crap, and that is the end of the story, right? Nope. That $100 was created by the Fed and corresponded to a bond issued by the Treasury at interest.  And who bought that bond? China. So now I paid $100 for the crap, plus there is still $100 plus interest owed on the money.  WTF kind of stupid system is that?

The thing only cost $2 to make in China because they paid some girl cents an hour.  Why did it cost $100. Because it when it crossed someone's desk it went from $2 to $50, and then Slavemart knocked it up another 100%.  

Instead, let's say the Treasury issues money debt free.  Now I spend the money at Costco, where people make a living wage on quality goods that were made in the US. The goods are priced at what they cost to make because they didn't unfairly compete by using slave labor. The laborers make their wages and spend that. Costco makes a fair profit and hires more workers.  And the US government doesn't owe anything. It is debt free. And of course the people can pay taxes, but this is made much less because the government is not paying interest on the phony debt.

The only limitation is that the government cannot produce any more money than is used by the system. Too much money would cause inflation, and too little will cause deflation.  

Another consideration is that of conspicuous consumption, where models of employment are created that necessitate the overproduction of goods. This is another cause of waste and overpricing because of planned obsolescence and make work. Factories can eliminate drudgery, but there will always be a place for craftsmanship.  The point is that modernization should lead to a lower cost of living.  Goods produced should be of high quality, and poisons should be eliminated. Nothing should be produced that cannot be broken down and safely recycled.

I mention all of this because the consumption model (watch: "the story of stuff") grew up around the Fed Reserve phony banker scheme.  

The Libertarians, IMHO, are much like the Tea Partiers. They have a righteous gripe against government, but they insist on throwing the baby out with the bath water. If you examine who started the Libertarian movement, and who the big names are, you will find the same bastards who put us where we are today.  A great example is Alan Greenspan.  He's a Libertarian? The guy who is probably more responsible than anyone for the current US financial woes.  If you are a Libertarian, and you can square that in your mind, then have fun at the tea party.  

There is definitely too much government, and definitely too much federal government.  But the answer is not to eliminate the government completely. That is what the Banker thieves want to do after they have put everyone into debt: They own the gold, so they want a gold-money system.  They got what they wanted from the government, so they eliminate the government.  What is left? Slaves working for the people with the gold. Private armies enforcing the bankers contracts.

In Robert Graves' book, "Claudius the God", the Emperor Claudius says that the marble temples and infrastructure of Rome had all been built when the Roman state had a copper based system, and that the gold standard had only come later when Rome had become an empire.  I can cite more than a fictional work.  See:

"Roman traders had been counting for a long time in silver pounds, while copper was still the only currency legally recognized by the State." And, he adds: modifications of this kind in the legislations were constantly motivated by a powerful
impulse coming from outside, and can always be considered as the legal consecration of an accomplished fact. In Rome, the first issue of the silver denarius is linked to the conquest of Italy, and the gold currency dates from the time when the Roman
government exchanged the domination of Italy for sovereignty over the world. ....[Citations edited]
From: Monetary Theory and Roman History, p. 810
Marcello de Cecco Source: The Journal of Economic History, Vol. 45, No. 4 (Dec., 1985), pp. 809-822

The State is capable of creating a useful supply of money out of things besides gold.  

In his preface, Mommsen firmly expresses the idea that it is the state that has the right to establish "in the interest
of all, what we could willingly call a derogation to Natural Law, by exclusively attributing to a particular substance the special privilege of representing the value of all others; only the State can compel all citizens to accept the choice it has made, and it keeps the right to change its choice according to changed circumstances." That in the course of history the choice has fallen on gold, silver, and copper, after all sorts of other primitive substances had been used as money, Mommsen affirms soon after, but his is not a blind declaration of faith in metallism. The importance of the state in the process could not be underlined more heavily.[/u][Emphasis added for ironic purposes.]

This is interesting because you will see many people on the net citing scholarship on Roman economics as an example of why we need a gold money system.  They are clearly using a selective memory for their own purposes.  

I don't think most people are being dishonest, but are only presenting the case for what they believe. No one is going back and doing original research. For example, I just cited de Cecco, who was citing Mommsen, from a French translation. Because who, besides my nephew, knows any freaking Latin?  I certainly don't.  If I did, I would buy a powdered wig, move to Cambridge, and walk around with smug expression.  I would say things like, "One simply can't appreciate Ovid unless one reads him in the original, without the pictures."

[mchawe]

The subject of gold is vast. So I am not going to attempt to get into it. This is not the kind of thing that you put up a few UTube videos and suddenly you know all about it.  I am definitely not an advocate for the gold standard. The problem in any monetary system goes back to corruption. And yes fractional reserve banking is another problem. Another problem is seeking utopia.

A brief comment about Byron Dole. He attempts to equate gold to the Dollar. Why ?  What's wrong with ounces of gold/silver as money instead of ounces per dollar ?  If you keep the State out of the picture, the result is different. Also he keeps talking about money as a means of exchange. It should also be a store of value. FRNs and all Fiat have failed that test, which gold has not.

http://www.martinarmstrong.org/files/GO ... -11-09.pdf

The person who is the big advocate for the return of the gold standard is Fekete. His articles are listed here. As I said the subject is vast !

http://www.professorfekete.com/
http://www.gold-eagle.com/research/feketendx.html

We are now in a Kondratiev Winter Phase where you would expect gold to do well. Sure enough that is the case. This Kondratiev winter should end around 2016.
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article19928.html.
Kondratiev was executed by Stalin in 1938

 http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/ent ... Kondratiev

[Helphand]

@mchawe - that last post looks good stuff, those links bear further detailed scrutiny. Wd you consider adding them say to the Econ/Finance section of TiU?

Back to freeman/strawman/sovereign etc., someone posted link to George Gordon School of Law mp3s.  I have to say his take sounds pretty level.

The Law Hour on Redemption and the Strawman - 346a-32 of 2009. Notably around 27 minutes onward for his views on this whoole topic. He isn't a lawyer and has no law degree but he does quote someone who does* and GG is intelligent enought to look it up right. His concusion on one typical assembly of documentation and ideas: "This is the grandest collection of poppycock and insanity that I have ever put my hands on in one place."
*Larry Becraft Esq. and his paper on Destroyed Arguments he wrote circa 1999.

Strawman Defences That Work - 346a-32
http://library.georgegordon.com/audio/d ... 46a-32.mp3

Strawman - 346g-32
http://library.georgegordon.com/audio/d ... 46g-32.mp3

@58:13: "Redemption and Strawman have been demonstrated over the last fifteen or twenty years - as long as it's b'n around - to be a loser. But religous free exercise, specifically pursuant to Seeger and code pleading as I've explained, have proven to be consistent winners."



GG's advice clearly is based within the existing perameters of the legal system.  Strawman is insubstantive word bending which gets people into jail. See the Montana Freemen case. And the YouTube video (link under show report for TiU/TFC Radio on one of the related shows, IIRC it was in second 1215.org show).

For the USA at least, the nullification concept DBS mentioned in one show sounds it's got potential:

Financial Sense: "Nullification: How to Resist Federal Tyranny in the 21st Century. "

FSN In Depth: Thomas E Woods Jr, Nullification 9-22-2010
<http://www.financialsensenewshour.com/broadcast/fsn2010-0922-1.mp3>

Note this guy is a senior person at the Mises Institute so Zio-warp warning.

Neverthless the message of decentralisation and grass roots political revival and control is sound so long as it is not hijacked and directed by the Yahoos.


Posted: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 01:16:49 -0700

Nullification: How to Resist Federal Tyranny in the 21st Century Thomas E Woods Jr James J Puplava CFPCitizens across the country are fed up with the politicians in Washington telling us how to live our livesand then sticking us with the bill. But what can we do? Actually, we can just say no. As New York Times bestselling author Thomas E. Woods, Jr., explains, nullification allows states to reject unconstitutional federal laws. For many tea partiers nationwide, nullification is rapidly becoming the only way to stop an over-reaching government drunk on power. From privacy to national healthcare, Woods shows how this growing and popular movement is sweeping across America and empowering states to take action against Obamas socialist policies and big-government agenda.

[mchawe]

Thought I would add this to this thread courtesy of Zero Hedge. Appears to avoid the word "Jew" but talks about "International Bankers" etc.
The Hollywood movie "Dorothy" (Judy Garland) with "Ruby" slippers instead of "Silver" slippers as were designated by the author of the book (L Franc Baum), thereby screwing up the true symbology of the book,  won't surprise anyone on this site !
A long but interesting video......

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/secret ... al-complex

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

I see DBS is exploring this unwieldy subject or at least, giving it space on his site.

I am open to persuasion but currently I think the whole thing is a crock and a monumental work of distraction. Reasons too many to cite but the "legal" technicalities and distinctions are so nit-picking and preposterous that they can have only originated from the furrowed brow of a rabbi well-exercised in Pilpul. Plus the fact that all the main protagonists I have heard or seen who have been given prominence in terms of talkshow airtime are Jews.

I want someone to post backup references, at least from legal websites, that JUSTIFY all this rubbish about the different legal effect of your name being printed in CAPITALS or mixed upper lower case; that Statutes only apply to you if you consent to them; that States like the UK are bankrupt and have legally pledged their populations to support their indebtedness for money borrowed into existence; and on and on.

Yes, we are plagued by the money-created-as-debt scam and yes, economically speaking the population of say, the UK are in bondage THROUGH THEIR OBLIGATION TO PAY TAXES TO THE UK GOVERNMENT which tax bondage secures the obligation of the UK Government to the Bank of England / money creators. But all the scams and dodges to avoid civil and criminal liabilities - that's another thing entirely. Just wait till one of these cases like the one about council tax in the magistrates court gets relayed to a higher court judge and you'll be seeing another side of the arguments - wasted costs orders, contempt fines, who knows what.

Furthermore at least one of the groups concerned with this, Tir na Saor, seem to think that having gold backed money is a good thing. It isn't. The existence of the gold standard significantly added to, if not actually caused, the Great Depression.
I just googled for some and find these freebies, this list  is certainly not going to be definitive:

http://www.bailii.org/bailii/

http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/

http://www.canlii.org/en/

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/home.html

http://www.commonlii.org/

http://www.austlii.edu.au/

http://www.worldlii.org/

Charles Giuliani - "Truth Hertz" on Oracle Broadcasting - in his 20 August 2010 show
had a caller, Ed. in Louisiana, in the first 1hr who said: "These Yiddish atheist Jews are lawyers and this law is coming down from this Hebrew, er type o' law, and I think if you look at the freeman on the land issue that you'll understand where this
came from..."

He got it in one! More Joo Poo!

Good points, helphand. I am glad I never went down that road; I had many opportunities to.