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Skating With The Stars viewers struggle to understand Vernon Kay's northern accent as he tries to crack America

By Sarah Bull
Last updated at 5:39 PM on 23rd November 2010

When it was announced Vernon Kay would be presenting Skating With The Stars in America, many wondered how US viewers would cope with understanding his broad northern accent.

And while the 36-year-old presenter did his very best while hosting the programme, even attempting to tone down his dulcet Bolton tones, thousands of viewers took to internet forums complaining they were struggling to follow what he was saying.

One viewer even confused Kay's accent for a Scottish one, writing on Twitter: 'I've decided my favorite thing about #SWTS is the Scottish accent of show host Vernon Kay.'



Struggling: Many viewers took to the internet to complain about Vernon Kay's accent as he presented Skating With The Stars

Another wrote: 'Am about to watch SWTS live in America! Vernon Kay's accent is HILARIOUS! In the 45 second trailer he visited about 5 different places with his voice!!!'

While a fellow viewer added: 'Watching Skating With the Stars with wife...Vernon Kay's Northern accent is grating.'

A further fan wrote: 'It's Vernon Kay hosting. He is one of us (a Brit) and he IS very annoying. Especially with his regional accent!'
Scottish? Viewers struggled to understand the presenter's broad Bolton accent

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... ewers.html

[Panoptimist]

I have this little theory about New York accents.

You see, the heavy, guttural and especially annoying New York accent is simply a derivative of Hebraic and Yiddish conversion to English. In other words, the heavy amount of Hebrew/Yiddish/Whatever speaking individuals who also speak English are the cause of this general Northern sound.

It's quite easy to tell this after hearing them switch back and forth between languages in succession.

[DieDaily]

Except that that theory of accents is impossible since only a tiny, tiny fraction of New Yorkers were Jewish until well after the accent had set in. There was no significant presence prior to 1880. Hey...wait...even post WWII when the great influx had happened, only a small fraction of New Yorkers remain Jewish to this day! 15% have some Jewish ancestry, down 5% from 1991! I guess that's a pretty silly theory you've got going! You know, sometimes its good to work forward from facts rather than backward from faith-based conclusions. Reality will typically not pander to your personal prejudices, annoying though that must be!

[jai_mann]

Except that that theory of accents is impossible since only a tiny, tiny fraction of New Yorkers were Jewish until well after the accent had set in. There was no significant presence prior to 1880. Hey...wait...even post WWII when the great influx had happened, only a small fraction of New Yorkers remain Jewish to this day! 15% have some Jewish ancestry, down 5% from 1991! I guess that's a pretty silly theory you've got going! You know, sometimes its good to work forward from facts rather than backward from faith-based conclusions. Reality will typically not pander to your personal prejudices, annoying though that must be!

We morons are just supposed to take your word on all those numbers and dates eh?

I'm sensing the latest instance of a time waster and shit stirrer. Is this Inpho or anarchore returning under a new nick? The behavior is all the same. Mods, please take note of the consistency of behavior with this new poster.

[Panoptimist]

Except that that theory of accents is impossible since only a tiny, tiny fraction of New Yorkers were Jewish until well after the accent had set in. There was no significant presence prior to 1880. Hey...wait...even post WWII when the great influx had happened, only a small fraction of New Yorkers remain Jewish to this day! 15% have some Jewish ancestry, down 5% from 1991! I guess that's a pretty silly theory you've got going! You know, sometimes its good to work forward from facts rather than backward from faith-based conclusions. Reality will typically not pander to your personal prejudices, annoying though that must be!

 Really? REALLY my man?!?! I live in the heart of American Jewry. I study in one of its colleges. Tell me why only the Jew students (especially the Jewesses - ugh) speak in this ugly, heavy, guttural New York accent? I sit next to a girl in class who asked me after listening to a Jewess speak in front of the class, "What did she say? I can't even understand her." All the Jews have the heavy New York accent which is directly derivative of Hebrew/Yiddish languages. Period.

Shit, the first "New York" accents probably sounded quite European.  

[DieDaily]

When I hear a NY accent, I hear an attenuated Italian with a hint of Irish. But I'm not a New Yorker. Lots of family in Pittsburgh, where the German contribution is more detectable. Still, I'd love to know how Jews forced the other 95% of the population to speak in their accent. Secret powers?

Neutral, sourced, pre 1850 info: http://www.saudades.org/earlyjewnewyork.html.%2023%20in%201654%20up%20to%2050,000%20in%201850

Neutral, sourced academic info: http://books.google.ca/books?id=npQ6Hd3G4kgC&pg=PA571&lpg=PA571&dq=historical+stats+proportion+of+jews+in+new+york&source=bl&ots=wdwQGj3Aol&sig=fpeghJgxArY4lSvzVEzDfiirRuA&hl=en&ei=7B8ATYWOOsH88AbVou2DBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CD0Q6AEwBTge#v=onepage&q&f=false
1654: 23 jews
1790: 2,000
1830: 6,000
1860: 150,000
1880: 250,000
But these are ENTIRE USA totals. I would think the lion's share would have been in or near NY though. Anyway these are basically the same numbers that wikipedia has, although any wikipedia article must obviously be treated as completely untrustworthy until verified by real sources.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/336395/Jewish-Population-Estimates-A-Historical-Perspective
gives percentages of total population and roughly the same numbers. The point is that by 1880 they were still under 4% by everyone's estimates. They didn't break the 20% mark until at least 1900.

The really funny part is that an only some proportion of these spoke in Yiddish, let alone some thick "racially uniform accent". The most were German Ashkenazim, some were Russian, Polish and Ukranian (and others) and many had the accents of their countries of origin, and spoke the native tongues of those countries.

Trolling is a markedly distinct thing from using facts against ridiculous, unsupported fantasy theories. Don't have a cow. Already posturing to censor eh? Well, nothing I can do if you decide to do that. But watch out: group-think's a bitch and the only antidote is to have the courage to face the inconsistent facts from non-groupie sources. Otherwise you get sucked into a twisted, self-amplifying type of primitivism known as "dehumanize the enemy"...which of course is exactly how to quickly lose your own humanity. George Bush said "you're either with us or against us". Quite a ridiculous think to say, don't you think?

[pas]

DieDaily :Thanks for supporting your arguement with sources, but the first 2 are down.

Jaimann & PanOptimist : I'm very gratefull for your brilliant input on this forum, but could you please ease up on people who have a (slight) dissagreement.
I hope to learn from everybody and i don't think it's constructive to right away calling people a jew or troll.

Maybe i'm missing something here, but this is how i see it.

[mchawe]

I don't know if this adds anything. (I live far away from Jew York.)  During the Hitler period,  Roosevelt shut the immigration door on ordinary Jews. They were supposed to move from Europe to Palestine, not the USA.

[Panoptimist]

What about Kyle Brovlovsky's mom in South Park? Case and point.

The heavy, guttural New York accent is nothing more than the infusion of Hebrew/Yiddish with American English. Nothing more.

Pas, that dude came on this board to bump year-old threads about quantum physics, not talk about the problem of the Jews responsible for quantum physics. Immediate red flag.

There's a serious problem we're plagued with.Diverting attention from that discussion is more than counterproductive.

[pas]

PanOptimist : Point taken, thanks for explaining.

Personally i like the Italian-New York accent : "You fokkin moulie"

[youtube:1n1pbp9z]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fp67geuhJM[/youtube]1n1pbp9z]

The accent of Kyle's mom and ''the nanny'' ,as far as i can tell as a foreigner, is quite different.

[Timothy_Fitzpatrick]

I have this little theory about New York accents.

You see, the heavy, guttural and especially annoying New York accent is simply a derivative of Hebraic and Yiddish conversion to English. In other words, the heavy amount of Hebrew/Yiddish/Whatever speaking individuals who also speak English are the cause of this general Northern sound.

It's quite easy to tell this after hearing them switch back and forth between languages in succession.

Don't forget the nasally whineyness.