Who is the Islamic Lobby???

Cheyene73 · December 30, 2010, 12:05:15 AM

I am asking anyone who reads this. I am doing a report about the fake Islam threat. My question is this. Who is this Islamic Lobby in the U.S?

I can find one CAIR but they are so small that it is laughable. I am proving that this Islamic threat is fake and made up. Now if I look up CAIR I get tons of breathless stories written by folks like Daniel Pipes. But that seems to be the majority of it. I can prove AIPAC is all powerful, but I need to address this supposed Islamic Lobby. What am I missing? Anyone know where I can find just plain old facts on it?

I ask this because I need to refute people when they start talking how powerful they are.

Timothy_Fitzpatrick · December 30, 2010, 12:48:16 AM

I wouldn't go as far as saying the fake Islamic threat. Although provoked, Islamics do carry out acts of terrorism.

Don't fall for "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" ruse.

Cheyene73 · December 30, 2010, 08:25:43 AM

i would agree. Let's just say they are a strawman. this is not an endorsement of them.

Timothy_Fitzpatrick · December 30, 2010, 02:10:25 PM

Yeah. Some of the things Mark Glen and Piper say about Islamics makes me uneasy. Muslim bashing is a Jew ruse, but Muslims are not angels. It bugged me when Glen was giving Jeff Rense a hard time for posting critical articles on Islam.

As far as I'm concerned, leading Muslims want the same world domination that Jews currently have.

Rehmat · January 01, 2011, 09:32:50 PM

CAIR is not an "Islamic Lobby" as most of its members are not practicing Muslims. The closest definition of CAIR would be "a national body protecting the interests of American Muslims". Like Jewish lobby groups (AIPAC, ADL, AJC, Save Darfur, etc.) - CAIR doesn't collect funds for Pakistan or Iran to occupy Jude-Christian lands.

To the moron who wrote that if allowed Muslims could carry-out terrorism - here is a mirror to look his face.

http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/z ... istory.htm

Timothy_Fitzpatrick · January 02, 2011, 02:23:09 AM

Quote from: "MonkeySeeMonkeyDo"Arab countries should be our friends, why shouldn't we be allied with them against Judaics who are the real terrorists?

Because they have ulterior motives. Absolute autonomy is the safest policy. Who the hell needs allies?

How can you trust a people who spread their beliefs by the sword?

Timothy_Fitzpatrick · January 02, 2011, 02:28:33 AM

Quote from: "Rehmat"CAIR is not an "Islamic Lobby" as most of its members are not practicing Muslims. The closest definition of CAIR would be "a national body protecting the interests of American Muslims". Like Jewish lobby groups (AIPAC, ADL, AJC, Save Darfur, etc.) - CAIR doesn't collect funds for Pakistan or Iran to occupy Jude-Christian lands.

To the moron who wrote that if allowed Muslims could carry-out terrorism - here is a mirror to look his face.

http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/z ... istory.htm

Moron? Look, this is a mature forum for those with a basic comprehension of world affairs. I don't appreciate your infantile views on Zionism. I posed the argument that Islam is violent, and no one refuted and, instead, diverted by talking about Jewish terrorism.

This discussion is not about the well-documented Jewish terrorism. Stay on topic.

MonkeySeeMonkeyDo · January 02, 2011, 10:49:43 AM

Quote from: "Timothy_Fitzpatrick"How can you trust a people who spread their beliefs by the sword?

So I guess we can't trust Christians either then since that's how they spread christianity for hundreds of years.

ada · January 02, 2011, 01:55:09 PM

Quote from: "Timothy_Fitzpatrick"
Quote from: "MonkeySeeMonkeyDo"Arab countries should be our friends, why shouldn't we be allied with them against Judaics who are the real terrorists?

Because they have ulterior motives. Absolute autonomy is the safest policy. Who the hell needs allies?

How can you trust a people who spread their beliefs by the sword?

You have an idea what you are talking about? Are you an expert?
As long its only a sword and not a missile or atomic-bomb or drones or phosphor-bombs or multiple-mount guns etc. it means not much.
Or did you mean the word as a sword like Jesus told us he will bring the sword?
What do you really learned about them from their culture and from their believe?
Of cause there a people like you and i but the problem is you are not serving Jesus if you are supporting wars against arabs or any other country.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/ ... 293121226/

Timothy_Fitzpatrick · January 02, 2011, 03:34:12 PM

Quote from: "MonkeySeeMonkeyDo"
Quote from: "Timothy_Fitzpatrick"How can you trust a people who spread their beliefs by the sword?

So I guess we can't trust Christians either then since that's how they spread christianity for hundreds of years.

Correct, and that's why the US Founding Fathers excluded references to Christianity in the U.S. Constitution, even though the Founding Fathers themselves followed Christianity in their own personal walks of life.

QuoteBased on historical facts "Christianity is violent" is a much more potent and accurate statement than "Islam is violent". Christianity and Judaism are much more violent historically and many of the acts blamed on Muslims in recent history was actually the work of Jews and their Shabbas goy agents (9/11, Armenian Genocide, etc). Last hundred years alone Christians and "atheist/communists" (who were mostly ethnic Jews) have caused the deaths of over 200,000,000 people. Please, show me the equivalent devastation caused by Muslims.

Christianity does have a violent history, indeed; however, Islam goes quite against the grain of Western culture, whereas Christianity does not. The reason you haven't heard about many of the Islamic-inspired atrocities is due to their localization and the fact that Islam has never had the worldly power of Judaism or Christianity well witnessed by the world.

Timothy_Fitzpatrick · January 02, 2011, 03:43:42 PM

Quote from: "ada"
Quote from: "Timothy_Fitzpatrick"
Quote from: "MonkeySeeMonkeyDo"Arab countries should be our friends, why shouldn't we be allied with them against Judaics who are the real terrorists?

Because they have ulterior motives. Absolute autonomy is the safest policy. Who the hell needs allies?

How can you trust a people who spread their beliefs by the sword?

You have an idea what you are talking about? Are you an expert?
As long its only a sword and not a missile or atomic-bomb or drones or phosphor-bombs or multiple-mount guns etc. it means not much.
Or did you mean the word as a sword like Jesus told us he will bring the sword?
What do you really learned about them from their culture and from their believe?
Of cause there a people like you and i but the problem is you are not serving Jesus if you are supporting wars against arabs or any other country.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/ ... 293121226/

How could my words be interpreted as "supporting wars against Arabs?"

MonkeySeeMonkeyDo · January 02, 2011, 04:30:45 PM

Quote from: "Timothy_Fitzpatrick"The reason you haven't heard about many of the Islamic-inspired atrocities is due to their localization and the fact that Islam has never had the worldly power of Judaism or Christianity well witnessed by the world.

that may well be true.

Rehmat · January 14, 2011, 09:47:36 AM

Well - I am not surprised that there still some idiots who believe that some of the world's biggest imperial power, such as Berber Spain, India's Mughals and the Ottomon were Jewish

MonkeySeeMonkeyDo · January 15, 2011, 01:58:34 PM

Quote from: "Rehmat"Well - I am not surprised that there still some idiots who believe that some of the world's biggest imperial power, such as Berber Spain, India's Mughals and the Ottomon were Jewish

But Hitler was a Jew according to you ? Just not your moozlim heroes

Looks like your history is full of funky crypto-Jewish personalities as well
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%B6nmeh
http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=95
http://www.jewishracism.com/Jewish_geno ... larged.pdf