Caroline Yeager On Truth Hertz

[-Pas-]

Charles Giuliani interviews Caroline Yeager:

http://mp3.oraclebroadcasting.com/Truth_Hertz/Truth_Hertz.2011-08-31_16k.mp3

Mrs. Yeager does an exellent job in stating her case in regard to Hitler and the Nazi Party, and i have to admit that her great research has changed my own view on this topic.I guess i was a little cognitive dissonant on this issue because of my family's experiences and Allied propaganda i grew up with.Mrs. Yeager also does a good job on debunking the book:Adolf Hitler, Founder Of Israel by Hennecke Kardel.

[joeblow]

Jim Condit Jr. was double-teamed by Yeager and the other Nazi-chick, and despite that, still destroyed their pro-Hitler analysis. I shall listen to this and come back with my opinion.

[-Pas-]

JoeBlow wrote:

Jim Condit Jr. was double-teamed by Yeager and the other Nazi-chick, and despite that, still destroyed their pro-Hitler analysis. I shall listen to this and come back with my opinion.

Yeah i remember that and at the time i sided with Jim Condit, but the more i started to look into Yeager's and Spingola's research my doubts grew stronger.Call me a ''flip-flop'',i don't mind and when the evidence arrives i'll flip-flop right back again.
Condit is a good guy imo, but i think the ladies in question are better researchers.

Always good to hear from you, Joe.Whether we agree or not.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

I listened to it too. Yeager did a good job debunking the "Hitler was a Jew" myth which is total B.S.  I will say though, that she has to be careful with Hitler.  He did murder very innocent people, including innocent non-political Germans, long before WWII. For example:

According to his lieutenant, Fritz Wiedemann 2) , Adolf is a fine orderly, but he misses ' leadership qualities'. Hitler often looks nonchalant, he keeps his head a bit crooked and his shoes are seldom polished. He does not click his heels when an officer passes by. Promotion is not an option.

To Ypres

June 1917. Hitlers regiment is moved fifty kilometers to the north, to Belgium, near the besieged city of Ypres. The Germans have gotten word that the allies are preparing a new offensive here.

That's why the regiment of the quite fresh soldier Erich Paul Remark is send to that region too. Adolf and Erich don't know each other then, but they serve close together. There are only a few miles between Remark's 15th Regiment of the 2nd Guard Reserve Division and Hitler's 16th Regiment of the 10th Bavarian Division.

http://www.greatwar.nl/frames/default-hitlere.html

1943: Elfriede Scholz, Erich Maria Remarque's sister



December 16th, 2008 Headsman

On this date in 1943, pacifist novelist Erich Maria Remarque lost his youngest sister to the Nazi regime — beheaded because her "brother is beyond our reach."

Actually, Elfriede Scholz was convicted (upon the denunciation of her landlady a few weeks before) by the kangaroo People's Court for undermining the war effort. ("Wehrkraftzersetzung" — German has a word for everything.)

Like her brother, Elfriede was a staunch opponent of the Nazi government, and in 1943 that could certainly have sufficed to get her a one-way trip to Plotzensee Prison.

But Roland Freisler's verdict explicitly referenced (German link) her more famous brother — upon whom the Nazis would have poured out an interwar era's worth of fury had they been able to get to him in America.

Ihr Bruder ist uns entwischt, aber Sie werden uns nicht entwischen! (Your brother is beyond our reach, but you will not escape us!

Though Erich Maria Remarque and Adolf Hitler had served together at the Third Battle of Ypres, they didn't quite see eye to eye after the Great War.

Remarque's immortal anti-war novel All Quiet on the Western Front was banned and burned by war-glorifying Nazis (they also said Remarque was of Jewish descent, apparently without any factual basis).

Remarque left Germany, an intellectual celebrity and man-about-town who rubbed shoulders with the likes of Marlene Dietrich (with whom he had a passionate affair) and Ernest Hemingway (with whom he did not).

The Nazis stripped his citizenship, and fumed that they couldn't get their jackboots on him. (At one point, Goebbels invited Remarque to return. Sly.)

But Elfriede, they could get. She had stayed in her native Germany with her husband and family.

http://www.executedtoday.com/2008/12/16 ... es-sister/

He was also friends with Leni Riefenstahl in the 1930s.
http://kirjasto.sci.fi/remarque.htm

In 1954 Remarque attends the funeral of his father in Bad Rothenfelde near Osnabrück but doesn't visit his home town. Remarque never overcame the bitterness of his expatriation from Germany: "As far as I am aware, none of the mass murderers of the Third Reich have been expatriated. The emigrants are therefore even lower." (Interview 1966).

Der schwarze Obelisk

The Black Obelisk (Der Schwarze Obelisk) appears in 1956. It partly analyses the spiritual climate within Remarque's home town during the 1920s but also deals with the preconditions for the growth of fascism and attacks the moral political restoration after the Second World War. Remarque's only play, Full Circle (Die letzte Station), which is first performed in 1956, thematises the end of the war in Berlin and the different types of behaviour of the German people following liberation.

http://www.erft.de/schulen/abtei-gym/re ... mark_a.htm

Remark apparently never came to grips with the obvious fact that corrupting J-Tribers have always been the central problem of Central Europe (and now the USA/Canada). -- CSR

[-Pas-]

This Remarque smells like gefilte fish to me.Real shillish behaviour; he names as the real problems:the Kaiser, war parties etc. (Bush,m.i. complex,Queen in today's world) not naming the jew.And after he left he got buddy buddy with hollywood.Hmm..

-CSR- wrote:

He did murder very innocent people, including innocent non-political Germans, long before WWII. For example:

The article is written by a Dutch historian (like the ones who filled my head with crap) and looks more like another Hitler hit piece than honest research.Ending with the emotion invoking sentence:"Hitler had her decapitaded with an axe."
Could be true of course but i'd love to hear Mrs.Yeager's or another revisionists view on this Remark or Kramer story.

Food for thought, thanks -CSR-.

[joeblow]

Sorry for the delay, but I still have stalking problems with weirdos filming me everywhere I go. I must mention that I am not in the mood for Ashke-NAZI apologists, especially considering the fact that the city where I live is the head-office for the Sweden Demoncats (Sweden's largest Zion-Nazi party in parliament) plus they all hate me.

Yeager was almost as whiny as a Jew complaining about this book, here is the full title and a download link:

Adolf Hitler - Founder of Israel: Israel in War With Jews
http://tinyurl.com/jewhitler

I recommend that you also read the book and compare it to how she lied about it. I shall only point out two of her many, many lies: "Hennecke Kardel never existed" and "No proof Hitler was an occultist".

http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/26 ... cke_Kardel



Hennecke Kardel
born: June 15, 1922 in Friedrichstadt, Germany
died: June 24, 2007
gender: male
genre: History
About this author: Son of German scientist Rudolf Kardel. After completing Army Academy he served as an infantryman in the German army in Russia and the Balkans. In 1979 he was sued by the German state which also confiscated all his possessions. In 1982 he was acquitted without any expenses pay.

Even the White-nationalist Metapedia admits he existed:

http://de.metapedia.org/wiki/Kardel,_Hennecke



Hennecke Kardel (* 15. Juni 1922; offenbar verstorben am 24. Juni 2007) war ein Ritterkreuzträger und Autor einer Reihe von Romanen, in denen zumeist über jüdische Wurzeln von NS-Funktionären, vorrangig Adolf Hitler, spekuliert wird.

The century before Hitler came to power experienced a reassurance of interest in the occult, especially in Germany and England. This fact is familiar to all veteran Conspiracy-theorists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitl ... us_beliefs

According to historian Michael Rissmann, young Hitler was influenced in school by Pan-Germanism and began to reject the Catholic Church, receiving Confirmation only unwillingly. A boyhood friend reports that after Hitler had left home, he never again attended a Catholic Mass or received the Church's Sacraments. Georg Ritter von Schönerer's writings and the written legacy of his Pan-German Away from Rome! movement, which agitated against the Catholic Church at the end of the 19th century, may have influenced the young Hitler.

Some scholars maintain that, in contrast to a few other Nazi leaders, Hitler did not adhere to esoteric ideas, occultism, or mysticism, (see also Nazism and occultism) and even ridiculed such beliefs in private and possibly in public. Hitler stated: "We will not allow mystically-minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement. Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else—in any case something which has nothing to do with us." Other scholars believe the young Hitler was strongly influenced, particularly in his racial views, by an abundance of occult works on the mystical superiority of the Germans, like the occult and anti-semitic magazine Ostara, and give credence to the claim of its publisher Lanz von Liebenfels that Hitler visited him in 1909 and praised his work. Indeed, evidence indicates Hitler was a regular reader of Ostara.



http://www.illuminati-news.com/hitler-occult.htm

Von Liebenfels believed the Atlanteans had had a strict breeding control, in form of laws, to retain their psychic abilities and he wanted to re-create the Aryan race from the Atlantis era, by purifying the blood of the Germans by using new strict race laws.

He said that Christianity had destroyed the old teachings of the Aryans and that these teachings had to be practiced again. He believed that after many generations of strict breeding, it would bring about a superior race of Gods to rule the Earth. He meant that the true Aryans were the Germans. On the contrary there were the Jews, whom he claimed to be the ones most against the revival of the Aryans. He believed the Jews were an alien enemy race.

In 1905 he started publishing a magazine called "Ostara", named after the Teutonic God of Beauty. The magazine was filled with occult teachings and beliefs.

According to Liebenfels' own words, he sold quite a few magazines, and his teachings quickly started to give response. One man, who absorbed these teachings deeply was Adolf Hitler. He was so inspired by Ostara that he quoted passage upon passage of it in his future book "Mein Kampf".

http://www.american-buddha.com/lit.godsbeasts.3.htm

Historians are divided on the question of whether Hitler was actually ever a member of either the Temple of the New Order or the Armanen, but it is certain that he was a reader of Ostara and met Lanz several times in that period he later alluded to as providing him with "the foundations of a knowledge" which was to become so important to him.

Exactly what had Hitler to do with Lanz? In Mein Kampf the only possible reference to Ostara may be this one: "For the first time in my life I bought myself some anti-Semitic pamphlets for a few heller." His friend from childhood, August Kubizek, mentions that during this period Hitler joined an anti-semitic lodge. But according to Lanz's biographer, Wilfried Daim, not only was Hitler a regular reader of Ostara, but, because he had missed several issues, he looked up Lanz himself in 1909, who was happy to supply him with back copies. In fact, says Daim, he saw Lanz a few times and "left an impression of youth, pallor, and modesty." Fifteen months later, through three changes of residence, the copies were still in Hitler's possession. Lanz claimed him as one of his disciples, writing to an occultist in 1932: "Hitler's one of our pupils. You will one day experience that he, and through him we, will one day be victorious and develop a movement that makes the world tremble."

Hitler attempted to bury all his earlier influences and his origins, and he spent a great deal of energy hiding them. Lanz was forbidden to publish after Germany annexed Austria in 1938. Hitler ordered the murder of Reinhold Hanisch, a friend who had shared the down-and-out days in Vienna. But the influence of Lanz's Ariosophy is evident in passages like these from Mein Kampf:

By defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the handiwork of the Lord .... This Jewification of our spiritual life and mammonization of our mating instinct will sooner or later destroy our entire offspring....

    Blood sin and desecration of the race and the original sin in this world and the end of a humanity which surrenders to it.

    With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing her from her own people. With every means he tries to destroy the racial foundations of the people he has set out to subjugate. Just as he himself systematically ruins women and girls, he does not shrink back from pulling down the blood barriers for others, even on a large scale. It was and it is the Jews who bring the Negroes into the Rhineland, always with the same secret thought and clear aim of ruining the hated white race, by the necessarily resulting bastardization, throwing it down from its cultural and political height, and himself rising to be its master.

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[Michael K.]

I agree with Joe Blauman, and I believe your stalking claims.  

The re-emergence of fascism is pre-ordained.  There are many fascist apologists and Hitler-lovers around.  Joe exposed the bald-faced lies of one of these jews, but there are many, many more.  

Neo-Eurasianism is the new fascism, only it sometimes (as in the case of Dughin) couches itself in terms which are heavily salted with anti-Nazi language.  However the inspiration and goals of national bolshevism are nearly identical to classic twentieth century fascism.

The fascist rhetoric is also anti-Jewish sounding, but that is merely a disguise.  Fascism is Zionism and vice-versa.  As long as you define civil rights by mythical race beliefs, you are a Zionist of some sort.

They are hot on Joe's trail right now, in my opinion, because he threatens to expose the Fourth Reich as both Jewish and fascist during this formative time when public opinion may still be swayed with the written and spoken word.  They want to keep people ignorant so that they will dig their own graves.

Christian Identity is yet another permutation of fascism, with an Old Testament pitch.  Although I agree with the archaeological evidence the movement presents, there is no reason to accept the re-visioning of the entire Christian faith due to genealogies.  It is exactly this re-vision which substitutes the White race for the Church which is Anti-Christ.

Enough Hitler apologies.  If people can believe that this obvious maniac was Santa Claus then they can and will believe anything the jews tell them.

[GordZilla]

Hitler was an 'obvious maniac' ? I only judge a man by his words and actions, his actions, as historically recorded, are totally exaggerated and even fabricated. His words sound little different than the ones used here (in this very forum) in our description of this crime syndicate (frankly he'd fit right in here). A buddy of mine, work mate, was going off about how Hitler was hell bent on destroying the Jews, he said "He even stated this in his book Mein Kampf, repeatedly " , so I challenged him on it, to find me where it states that,  and  guess what? He couldn't find it.

I Suggest you too find us - from his own words or REAL actions - the proof that helped you to reach this boldly and brashly stated ''obvious maniac'" conclusion you came to.

You may not like Carolyn Yeager, admittedly she is hard to listen to, her approach is very rash - but she's right when it comes to Hitler; there's nothing but speculation,  fabrication and bold faced lies (from almost entirely Jewish sources) to support the Idea that Hitler was somehow tied into the Zionist cause.  You can think what you want, but the facts do not fit that myth.


And God, like Him or not, was also very concerned with race mixing, and race in general. Genealogy is a word derived from "genea"  Greek for 'generation, race or nation' and "nation" to God meant blood line.  He is not the God for everyone, right off the start of the book He proclaims as much; "I am a God amongst gods, but I am the God of all gods. "  There is room for other races/religions, that is not the point God was making, God however - like it or not- favored a few over others.  These 'few' are not the Jews of today. Who they are is unclear however  them  they are not - that is clear.


" Enough Hitler apologies. If people can believe that this obvious maniac was Santa Claus then they can and will believe anything the jews tell them."  

Seriously? If anything the Jews' have been telling the people  -for decades now - literally the opposite, yet you think the Jews are trying to sell him off as Santa Clause??? He's an 'obvious maniac' ONLY because the Jews have sold that story, not because they tried to sell the story of him being Santa Claus, or a teddy bear or a just man - nope the Jews promote EXACTLY what you do and with EXACTLY as much proof; "He's a maniac" - pfft. And I challenge you to find otherwise. Only the Jews sell this story and only based on fabrications and outright lies.  Hitler may not be the greatest man ever to walk the earth, but a 'maniac' he was not. A strong leader? Yes.  Good for his people? Yes. Loved by the majority of his people? Yes. Well respected in the world community BEFORE the Jewish smear campaign? Yes. A adversary, like us, to Jewish international finance and treachery? Yes.


It is you who has apparently fallen for what the Jews promote - that he's a maniac, the Jews DO NOT promote the idea of him being a 'good guy', don't feel bad most of the human race has fallen for it too. They either fall for that or their backup plan of him being a Zionist or Zionist aided. Both stories were only promoted so again - LIKE ALWAYS - we will not find the truth. The truth - about anything - is the one thing a Jew will not tell you. Hitler being a maniac is one thing they will never tire of telling you.


  Maniac                                            

  Anti Semite                                  

  Only loved the White race              

  Wanted to KILL all Jews                  

  Worked for the Zionists              
   
             IES




P.S. The Belfour Declaration was the 'Founder of Israel' -not Hitler , that should be obvious - apparently the author of this book had another story to sell.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Hitler was an 'obvious maniac' ? I only judge a man by his words and actions, his actions, as historically recorded, are totally exaggerated and even fabricated. His words sound little different than the ones used here (in this very forum) in our description of this crime syndicate (frankly he'd fit right in here). A buddy of mine, work mate, was going off about how Hitler was hell bent on destroying the Jews, he said "He even stated this in his book Mein Kampf, repeatedly " , so I challenged him on it, to find me where it states that,  and  guess what? He couldn't find it.

I Suggest you too find us - from his own words or REAL actions - the proof that helped you to reach this boldly and brashly stated ''obvious maniac'" conclusion you came to.

You may not like Carolyn Yeager, admittedly she is hard to listen to, her approach is very rash - but she's right when it comes to Hitler; there's nothing but speculation,  fabrication and bold faced lies (from almost entirely Jewish sources) to support the Idea that Hitler was somehow tied into the Zionist cause.  You can think what you want, but the facts do not fit that myth.


And God, like Him or not, was also very concerned with race mixing, and race in general. Genealogy is a word derived from "genea"  Greek for 'generation, race or nation' and "nation" to God meant blood line.  He is not the God for everyone, right off the start of the book He proclaims as much; "I am a God amongst gods, but I am the God of all gods. "  There is room for other races/religions, that is not the point God was making, God however - like it or not- favored a few over others.  These 'few' are not the Jews of today. Who they are is unclear however  them  they are not - that is clear.


" Enough Hitler apologies. If people can believe that this obvious maniac was Santa Claus then they can and will believe anything the jews tell them."  

Seriously? If anything the Jews' have been telling the people  -for decades now - literally the opposite, yet you think the Jews are trying to sell him off as Santa Clause??? He's an 'obvious maniac' ONLY because the Jews have sold that story, not because they tried to sell the story of him being Santa Claus, or a teddy bear or a just man - nope the Jews promote EXACTLY what you do and with EXACTLY as much proof; "He's a maniac" - pfft. And I challenge you to find otherwise. Only the Jews sell this story and only based on fabrications and outright lies.  Hitler may not be the greatest man ever to walk the earth, but a 'maniac' he was not. A strong leader? Yes.  Good for his people? Yes. Loved by the majority of his people? Yes. Well respected in the world community BEFORE the Jewish smear campaign? Yes. A adversary, like us, to Jewish international finance and treachery? Yes.


It is you who has apparently fallen for what the Jews promote - that he's a maniac, the Jews DO NOT promote the idea of him being a 'good guy', don't feel bad most of the human race has fallen for it too. They either fall for that or their backup plan of him being a Zionist or Zionist aided. Both stories were only promoted so again - LIKE ALWAYS - we will not find the truth. The truth - about anything - is the one thing a Jew will not tell you. Hitler being a maniac is one thing they will never tire of telling you.


  Maniac                                            

  Anti Semite                                  

  Only loved the White race              

  Wanted to KILL all Jews                  

  Worked for the Zionists              
   
             IES


P.S. The Belfour Declaration was the 'Founder of Israel' -not Hitler , that should be obvious - apparently the author of this book had another story to sell.

Yep, I agree with that... Gord.    :up:  


Here's a quick quote on Ostara and Lanz... actually the murder of young German aristocrats in Bavaria by Jew Bolsheviks in April 1919...kicked off the entire Nazi party as well as other "Rightist" parties... (http://www.crystalinks.com/thule.html)  :

After Hitler's rise to prominence in the 1920s, Lanz tried to be recognized as one of his ideological precursors. In the preface of issue one in the 3. series of Ostara, c. 1927, he wrote:

"    One shall remember that the swastika- and fascist movements are basically offspring of Ostara.[1]    "

After Austria was annexed by Nazi Germany in 1938, Lanz hoped for Hitler's patronage, but Hitler, embarrassed by this early connection, banned him from publishing his writings. Most notably copies of Ostara were removed from circulation. After the war, Lanz accused Hitler of having not only stolen but corrupted his idea, and also of being of "inferior racial stock".

There is no strong scholarly consensus as to whether Hitler was significantly influenced, directly or indirectly, by Liebenfels' work, and no strong evidence that he was interested in the occult movement as a whole apart from its racial aspects, though the association has been repeatedly made by critics and occultists during and after the Third Reich.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B6rg_ ... Liebenfels

This led to an assignment in the intelligence division of the postwar German army, to infiltrate groups that could organize the working classes while the communists were weak. On a September evening, 1919, Hitler turned up in the Sternecker Beer Hall where members and friends of the budding German Workers Party had gathered. He quietly listened to the presentation by engineer Gottfried Feder, a Thule Society member, who talked about jewish control over lending capital. When one of the other group members called for Bavaria to break away from the rest of Germany, Hitler sprang into action. The astonished audience stood by while his highly aggressive remarks and compelling oratory swept through the room. After Hitler had finished his harangue, party chairman and founder, Anton Drexler, immediately asked him to a meeting of the party's steering committee held a few days later. He was asked to join the committee as its seventh member, responsible for advertising and propaganda.

Back in 1912, several German occultists with radical anti-semitic inclinations decided to form a "magic" lodge, which they named the Order of Teutons. the main founders were Theodor Fritsch, a publisher of an anti-semitic journal; Philipp Stauff, pupil of the racist Guido Von List, and Hermann Pohl, the order's chancellor. (Pohl would drop out three years later to found his own bizarre lodge, the Walvater Teutonic Order of the Holy Grail.) The Order of Teutons was organized along the lines of the Free Masons or the Rosicrucians, having differing degrees of initiation, only persons who could fully document that they were of pure "aryan" ancestry were allowed to join.

http://black.greyfalcon.us/thule2.html

Political turmoil engulfed Bavaria over the next weeks and months, and when news of a communist revolution in Hungary reached Munich, "organized Communists under the Russian Bolsheviks Max Levien and Eugen Levine' pushed aside" the Socialists and anarchists and declared a Bolshevik regime. In short order these Leninists recruited a 'Red Army' and began arresting aristocrats and taking wealthy men as hostages.
........
As S. Friedlaender observed in Nazi Germany And The Jews (1997), "the commander of the Red forces, a former navy man named Rudold Egelhofer, ordered the shooting of the hostages.

These executions, an isolated atrocity, became the quintessential illustration of Jewish Bolshevik terror in Germany; in the words of British historian Reginald Phelps, this murder of hostages goes far to explain ... 'the passionate wave of anti-Semitism that spread because the deed was alleged to represent the vengeance of Jewish Soviet leaders ... on anti-Semitic foes.' Needless to say, the fact that Egelhofer and 'all those directly connected with the shooting' were not Jews, and that one of the victims was Jewish, did not change these perceptions in the least. The impact of the situation in Berlin and Bavaria was amplified by revolutionary agitation in other parts of Germany.

Thus do accidents of history become ampflied by the lens of revolutionary passions.

This is Hitler:

A Weltanschauung has conquered a state, and emanating from this state it will slowly shatter the entire world and bring about its collapse. Bolshevism, if unchecked, will change the world as completely as Christianity did. Three hundred years from now it will no longer be said that it is merely a question of organising production in a different way... If this movement continues to develop, Lenin, three hundred years from now, will be regarded not only as one of the revolutionaries of 1917, but as the founder of a new world doctrine, and he will be worshipped as much perhaps as Buddha.
— Adolf Hitler, 1932

[Michael K.]

Yes, Hitler seemed obviously crazy to me when he was screaming full of passion in front of an audience.

Fascism is another Jewish plan.

Tell what this Jew (er, Estonian) was doing in the Nazi Party:


Alfred Rosenberg

The Jews today have several prominent agents in place in charge of Neo-Nazi and White Nationalist fronts.  Curt Maynard may have died for outing the details on his blog.  So these Nazi Jews are painting Hitler as Santa Claus.  Jews on both sides of every conflict...

Don't worry White people, the Jews are already arranging a triumphal return for the Reich.  It's called Neo-Eurasianism and it is led by Russia.  Pull out your old Nazi regalia, and start killing not just Jews, but other Whites and in particular Christians who are just Jews since they deny the divinity of Wotan.

[GordZilla]

A man passionately 'screaming' in front of an audience, yup he must be crazy ...couldn't just be that he had passion for what he was saying ...maybe??

and about that, just what was he saying???


seriously MK?  That's it?  You need to look closer. One book, which is highly questionable, does not make for a good case that Hitler founded Israel.

P.S> yes 'fasism' is a Jewish tool, Hitler was a Nationalist, Mussilini was a fasist, and there is a great deal of difference between the two, only today's history writters do not like to make this distinction for you. And the man you pictured there does not look Jewish to me, nor can his name give it away either, as it's also a German surname, so is there any proof to that claim either? I can't tell you one way or another, but I don't think you can either. This is the point; it's merely speculation, done mostly on the behest of the Jewish propaganda machine.

[Michael K.]

Dear Gordzilla,

I think that you are right in that we should think seriously about what Hitler was saying.  I have, and that is why I believe that the German people were mostly reasonable in following the Nazi party at first.  It seems like hindsight is always clearer, but the Germans didn't know what was to come.  Many things the Nazis put forth were true, many things Hitler wrote were right on.  Plus, the Germans had very little history of democratic politics and were naturally looking for a king to lead them.

But the things which happened in Germany subsequently are what makes it obvious to me at least that Hitler was not wholesome. From what I have seen, I can list several things that provide evidence that something was very wrong:

1.)  Germany developed a full-blown 'snitch' culture.  This is always a sign of evil.

2.)  The Nazi movie, "The Triumph of the Will" is itself a testament to the mind control and propaganda that was endemic in the Reich.  "The night of the Amazons" was a giant circus of topless women.  This was shown to people of all ages and was not exactly moral. Compared to how much this resembles the Jew-pornagraphization of American entertainment post 9-11 and I think it shows pervasive Jewish attitudes in Nazi Germany.  Then there is the "Night of the Flags," which was nothing if not mass hypnotism and ritual.

3.)  Hitler's obsessive architectural planning for huge civic centers which never got built, which one can read about in various books including Albert Speer's.  This kind of grandiose planning is crazy, it is the sort of fantasy that evokes Masonic beliefs in the power of buildings to shape society to the will of the architect.  Interestingly, Hitler always wanted to be an architect, and both Rosenberg and Speer really were.

4.)  Hitler made a pact with Stalin.  There are all sorts of theories about why, but the fact remains that he did business with a mass butcher of Christians.

5.)  Hitler made mince meat out of the SA on the "Night of the long knives."  This was sick paranoid murder.

What have I missed?  Sure he introduced autarky, which is great, and he put Germany back to work and built the Autobahn.  But even good works are a waste of time if they serve an ultimately evil purpose.  If Hitler was really trying to save Germany, he would not have invaded Poland.  Instead he would have conserved his effort and looked at the long term game.

[CrackSmokeRepublican]

Michael do a good favor and just read this book cover to cover.  You might get a different perspective. If we don't have a force to counter the J-Tards... we will slide to something like in the Soviet Union or Hungary, or all of Post-WWII Eastern Europe which had a "Snitch-Culture" 24/7 run by Jews... and their Goy puppets. The book is on my desktop..--CSR :


http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3194 ... hird_Reich

The Coming of the Third Reich by Richard J Evans

The resistible rise of a demagogue

By David Cesarani (possibly Jewish)

Friday, 24 October 2003

To judge by the recent appearance of two films about Hitler, Max and Hitler: the rise of evil, the fascination with Nazism has not abated, even if it has palpably waned compared to the intensity of the period 1995-2000. Then, Nazis were hardly out of the news and 12,000 books on the Third Reich were published.

Greater emotional distance means that we can begin to evaluate the era more dispassionately and the two, rival films exemplify different approaches. The subtitle of the recent television film proclaims the familiar story of Hitler's inexorable, demonic ascent. By contrast, Max played with the intriguing (if historically wayward) notion that after the First World War Hitler was still wavering between a career in art and one in politics. Max explored the contingency of his transformation into a demagogue and compelled its audience to think much more carefully about what the "pre-Hitler" Hitler was saying and thinking.

Writing for the non-expert curious to discover the background to the still-ubiquitous presence of Hitler and Nazism in our culture, Richard J Evans strives for a similar effect. He briskly dismisses the old, teleological explanations for Hitler's success, such as a preference in the German character for authoritarian leadership or a local failure to cope with modern "mass society". What happened in Germany was not so different to the pattern in Italy or Hungary, where shaky democracies crumpled in the face of military failure and social discord. At the same time, Evans points out that events in Germany cannot be subsumed in some general crisis that resulted in generic "totalitarian" rule.

The Third Reich was rooted in the German past, although Evans carefully insists that saying this is not the same as ascribing cause and effect. To be sure, the unification of Germany by war under Bismarck bequeathed a model of personal governance and an exaggerated respect for military virtues. Imperial Germany was deeply fissured by religion, region and class, divisions Bismarck aggravated. Evans observes that many of the fault-lines running through the Weimar Republic date from Bismarck's time. Imperial Germany seethed with anti-semitism, racism and eugenic planners.

Even so, these elements were politically marginal, and were dwarfed by the progressive movements that seemed destined to capture the future. It took the brutalising effect of the 1914-18 war and the revolutionary chaos that followed to shake up society so that ideas previously dismissed as lunatic became persuasive.

In a clever piece of orchestration, Evans first writes about the maelstrom years from 1918 to 1924 without once mentioning Hitler. The effect is striking, though perhaps not what he intended. He wants the reader to understand that the ideas comprising Nazi ideology were commonplace and that political violence was endemic in Germany before a single Brownshirt raised his fist. But the brilliant depiction of political cynicism among the republican leadership, the ingrained vio- lence of the returned trench veterans, the rabid anti-Marxism of the right, and the blood-curdling anti-semitism on all sides, leaves you wondering why Germans needed Hitler and the Nazis? After a glimpse into that poisonous cauldron the "rise of evil" does, indeed, seem nothing less than inevitable.

Evans points out that from June 1920 a majority of German voters consistently cast their ballots for parties antagonistic to the new republic. Weimar's legitimacy was fatally undermined by its implementation of the punishing Versailles peace treaty and the nightmarish period of hyper-inflation in 1922-23. The republic also had bad luck: its most adept leaders tended to die young while its adversaries prospered into old age.

Yet the Nazis would have remained a splinter party of the far right if it had not been for the Depression. Evans gives a terrific explanation of why the Wall Street Crash had such a ghastly impact on Germany. By 1932, one fifth of the population was facing poverty and starvation while centrist parties alienated voters by pursuing harsh, deflationary measures that only worsened the crisis. This was the soil in which Nazism eventually flourished.  (and don't think for a second the J-Tribers give a crap about "Americans" today...--CSR)

If the Weimar Republic was ill-starred, the opposite held for Hitler. Between 1924, when he was released from prison after leading an unsuccessful coup in Bavaria, and 1929, he refashioned the NSDAP as a "catch-all party of discontent". Short on detailed policies, it offered Germans an alluring vision of a reborn nation, restored to greatness, purged of troublesome "alien" elements (notably Jews), its people united by blood and a shared culture which drew on traditional values. The bourgeois, democratic (liberal, Marxist and Jewish) politicians who lost the war and plunged Germany into misery would be expelled and, with them, social division would go.

This vision resonated deeply with conservative and patriotic convictions, and fed off more recent disillusionment. It was promoted with fantastic energy by the Nazi rank and file, overwhelmingly young men, who were armed with outstanding propaganda thanks to Josef Goebbels.

However, there was always a tension between the movement's quasi-revolutionary, anti-bourgeois rhetoric and its appeal to middle-class voters. Hitler had endless trouble with his left-leaning subordinates; but was blessed with incompetent opponents. At crucial junctures Otto and Gregor Strasser, leaders of the left-wing Nazis, flounced off in a pique, leaving Hitler to scoop up middle-class voters panicked by the relentless advance of Communism.

But they would still not have got anywhere without the machinations of the army and bourgeois politicians. These men had already dismantled democratic safeguards and created the precedents for authoritarian rule. It was they who offered the highest office to Hitler in order to bring his mass movement to buttress the status quo and fend off the Red threat. Evans skilfully leads the reader through elections and backroom intrigues. If there is one weakness, it is the absence of Hitler. We get no sense of his nail-biting brinkmanship as he held out for the Chancellorship, driving his lieutenants to despair as the movement, broke and exhausted, threatened to fall apart.

On the other hand, Evans writes illuminatingly about how narrowly Kurt von Schleicher, the chief plotter in the retinue of President Hindenburg, missed out on setting up an alternative regime at the moment when Hitler's fortunes had dimmed. Ironically, it was because the Nazis seemed to have peaked that Hindenberg's other advisers urged him to offer Hitler the Chancellorship. They were afraid that if they waited too long, the socialists and liberal parties might stage a comeback and save Weimar.

Brought into power legally, Hitler then used a mixture of law and violence to establish a one-party police state. Evans spares nothing of the brutality with which Hitler crushed rival parties and cowed his conservative allies. He has little sympathy for the trend in recent research that stresses the extent of popular consent to Nazi rule as against terror-induced compliance: "Far from being directed against particular widely unpopular minorities, the terror was comprehensive in scope, affecting anyone who expressed dissent in public, from whatever direction, against deviants, vagabonds, nonconformists of every kind."

Nevertheless, swathes of society succumbed to Nazification and the violent exclusion of Jewish colleagues with barely a murmur because they shared Nazi values. It was sadly typical that the conductor Wilhelm Furtwängler, when actually defending some Jews, declared that "If the struggle against Jewry is directed in the main against those artists who are rootless and destructive themselves... then that's just fine."

David Cesarani is professor of 20th-century European Jewish History and Culture at Southampton University. His book about Adolf Eichmann will be published by Heinemann next year

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 84431.html

[Michael K.]

Okay, now you know that as a Christian I have to read your book to "go the extra mile."  This will take a little while, but yes brother.

[-Pas-]

JoeBlow wrote:

Hennecke Kardel (* 15. Juni 1922; offenbar verstorben am 24. Juni 2007) war ein Ritterkreuzträger und Autor einer Reihe von Romanen, in denen zumeist über jüdische Wurzeln von NS-Funktionären, vorrangig Adolf Hitler, spekuliert wird.

I know a little german but really poorly, but with a little help from the google translate thingy and dictionary (good friends of mine ) i came up with the following translation:
''Hennecke Kardel (June 15 1922, probably died on june 24 2007) was a bearer of the ''Knight's Cross'' and writer of a series of novels, where in mainly the jewish roots of NS officials, especially Adolf Hitler, is speculated about.

"Novels'' (works of fiction, if i'm not mistaken) and ''speculated'' are not words that are very convincing if this is supposedly a good source on Hitler.

Things like this makes this subject really interesting, for me at least.
Great thread, thanks gentlemen.

[mchawe]

MichaelK said

Tell what this Jew (er, Estonian) was doing in the Nazi Party:

Alfred Rosenberg

I think David Irving would disagree. I thought he was a Jew too, but I was surprised to hear David Irving saying he was not a Jew despite his Jewish sounding name. But if you challenged me to find where DI said it,  off-hand, I can't !